Now in terms of discovering the specific details of a particular existence, I
think the best gauge is your own inner feelings. Whatever you LOVE to do is the
best probable path to take. When you do what you love, your
essence has a much
better chance of guiding you down a path that will best fulfill your inner most
Come on, guys. I realize that as old souls the routines of existence can
become very tedious, and that it's nice to find some validation for our feelings
via these teachings, but as I read through these "on-the-job" stories,
the only thing I could think of was, "geez, these guys are real
knuckle-heads!" ;-p Now I've known many scholars who talk big and perform small,
and many sages who only need the assistance of a swivel chair to boost their
ego, but fellows, your description was by far, the most amusing example I've
ever read. ;-p
Of course, I'm only messing with ya as part of my role as a (with a deep
voice)...ARTISAN IN OBSERVATION. ;-p
In part, I do. As a freelance computer geek I have been asked to
1) find specific stuff on the internet,
2) create a test instrument for a couple of psychologists,
3) help folks with Win3.1 to Win95 conversion problems,
4) teach computer literacy to an admin assistant
5) help computer newbies get over their newbieness
6) etc, etc.
all of which I get good hourly money for.
And finally I "know" beyond any shadow of doubt, that I was sent
here, by essence, primarily to "experience" this wonderfully important
time frame, and that as long as I am doing that (and staying out of the negative
poles) I will always have all my needs, and almost all of my preferences,
available to me. Looking back on the bumps and holes and shitpiles in my life
path, it was always me who put them there.
I find that as I "consciously" define the way I prefer my life to
be, my life becomes what I prefer it to be. This, regardless of any money
involved. TAO/Essence makes the choice of doing directly or via money. I never
no which until it happens.
Instead of having to put up the money for a car (+insurance), I declared that
I always have a good car available to me. Now, I have three friends who travel a
lot and they leave their car keys with me (2 infinitis and a beamer) when they
travel. I did "not" ask them to do this. They offered on their own
Instead of having to dig up the money to live in a beautiful and
"quiet" home, six years ago I saw in a dream/vision the very same
place where I am presently living. It is a beautiful, quiet, spacious
two-bedroom condo with off-white carpetting and polished brass fittings,
overlooking a lake, etc. I said "YES" to the vision. One year after
that vision my mother asked me to come live with her. I didn't want to leave
Hawaii, and resisted for several months until my inner guidance said that this
is where my path is leading. So I came here to Maryland (from Hawaii, no less)
and, lo and behold, moved into this condo palace (the same one as in my vision)
rent-free. It took some adjustment for my mother to stop "mothering
at" me, but she is doing well in this respect.
I found out after I arrived here in Columbia, MD that my mother and I are
task companions for each other. We both often wonder whether I was her mother
who died 6 months before I was born. She is 87 years old in body and legally
blind, but 50-something in mind, and needs a full time caregiver. I am that
caregiver. I need a compatible place to live while I am here. She offered me
that as best she could. It is satisfactory.
In other ways life/universe supplies me with everything I "declare"
for. I have learned to not just "ask" or "supplicate" for
what I desire, but to "strongly and powerfully" declare and "feel
gratitude" that I "already have" whatever it is I prefer. This is
one doozy of an attitude to get into, especially after having been raised as an
episcopalian alter boy and alcolyte.
This also scares a lot of people who cannot conceive of addressing
"TAO", "Higher Self" or "Supreme Being" in this
most commanding and forthright manner. This manner is exactly what got me off
the streets and roads of the big island of Hawaii, after a 3-month experience of
being homeless. Talking about a shot of upright humility!
Saying open, Amen. It always works. It cannot not work. I have also defined
myself as being "Harmless" in the sense of not "ever" having
an adverse effect on "anyone" regardless of my decisions, actions, or
non-actions. This allows for the effective, harmonious, and peaceful resolution
of all situations being addressed.
Re-learning to "imagine" like I could when I was a little kid, was
a major major step in my personal growth. It has allowed me to conceive of many
more possibilities and choices than I thought I had. Speaking of little kid
imagination: I used to play at being a broadcaster and giving people news that I
would read from magazines and newspapers. Never did that one, tho. I once was an
engineer/diskjocky, but the news came directly from a satellite feed.
I clearly remember my OS money terrors, even when I was making good money and
had everything I wanted. It was very difficult for me to stop "keeping
score" on the success of my life by using the quantity of money and things
that I had accumulated. Something or someone was always toppling the scoreboard
or changing the numbers around.
A better scoring method, I found, is "How do I "feel" about me
right this moment?"
I brought that up in one of my posts (a channeling from JP), and you're
right, of course. That's certainly true on one particular (cosmic) level. :)
This sounds simple on the surface, but finding out "what I came here
for" can be (maybe) in and of itself a Life Task. <G> We're all faced
with the problem that we're imprinted from Day One of any given life to do
everything *but* what we "love." And we are trained by our frenetic,
attention-always-directed-outward YS culture, never to listen to that
"still small voice within" that can tell us what we truly love. I
think also, some people are afraid of letting go to what they love for fear they
will love it so much they will forget to do their "duty." Maybe, on
one level, they are right to fear it--look at all the people (all
soul ages, but
maybe not as much
Baby Souls), who suddenly realize in their middle years that
they have spent all their life making everyone else happy, or at least trying to
do what was expected, and they never knew who they really are.
Another thought, and this is a very Scholarly, nit-picky sematics question,
maybe, but still gets to an (I think anyway <G>) important issue: what the
heck is "love"? Are you talking about keen interest? Outright
The pull of "duty" can be very strong. For example, my dh had a very
strong desire to be a doctor and it was a real wrench to reassess that goal
after he, in the middle of his studies, went into his true soul age. It seems
what we want with all our "heart" in our YS years can be very
different than what we "love" in our MS years, and when we finally
(and not everyone does) go into our true soul age of OS (for those who are OS),
there again, what we "love" will (often) drastically change.
Another thought on the life task, many seem to view it as a kind of career
goal, but maybe it is simply more of an overall focus? A theme? IOW, maybe there
is no one thing that we are "meant to" do, but we will naturally set
off in pursuit of a series of goals/interests, each one suitable for a different
stage of our life but each one contributing to our understanding of a basic
theme/task? Maybe the whole problem is judging (and, JP has channeled, as I
somewhat mentioned, OS's tend to be very hard on themselves) ourselves as
"wrong" or somesuch for doing, actually, the "right" thing,
which is to just flow with the natural changes in our consciousness (and
therefore our current needs, likes and emphasis in general) which can inevitably
lead us to open up to the possibility of going into new lines of work?
So you are an Artisan-Scholar-in-Observation? Join the crowd. <G>
Alright, what did I say about Scholars and computers and the internet? It's a
I can imagine. Computer work of that sort is very well paid. :)
Those things are fun, too, though not as much steady money. <G>
I agree with this. I could always see this in relation to *me*, but it became
an interesting wrinkle dealing with the karma of my emotionally disabled son.
That is now working out in the way I had to envision it, too. :)
Yes, this is great. I totally agree with you on this. Thanks so much for
showing how in a very concrete way this works! :)
This is great stuff, Kenneth. Thanks. :)
I was homeless, too, for a few months in my late 20s. Actually, it was a neat
experience, rather like you, was homeless in paradise, mine being a camping site
in a gorgeous redwood forest in Santa Cruz. <G> Since I was a college
student, I could use the college facilities for showers and what not, it was no
real penance. <G>
Yes, I experience this, too. It is interesting how there can be blocks inside
to using this tool. That somehow we aren't meant to "remember" to do
this until enough of the
karma has "run its course."
Now, this is a good reminder. I'm going to have to use this one more
concretely. I've used "with harm to none" religiously in making
requests, but doing an overall statement like this is great. :)
That makes great sense. I've used an approach much like that. :)
Hmm. Interesting reminder about Scholars and talking. If you ask them a
question, it's like punching a button with no "off" sometimes, all
this encyclopedic rush of info pours out. "Give it to me in 25 words or
less" should be the precursor to asking a Scholar a questions. <G>
Sagey Kate agrees per a recent post.
Oh, I agree. Experience is the game. But we also make off-site agreements, so
to speak, between lives. I just have this burning feeling that I am not
fulfilling a committment that I am not conscious of at this time.
I feel what I am looking for is bigger than that. I feel the things I love to
do are more like my tools to fulfill this bigger task. What I am beginning to
get though, through Kate's sagey advice, is that this is not going to happen
until my current obligations to the children are fulfilled. The anxiousness I am
experiencing is probably just buildup to what is coming.
> Four methodology questions or thoughts for food:
> 1) What is it you find yourself coming back to, time and time again,
> whether in thought, word, or deed?
> 2) If money were no object, what would you most like to do, even if you
> never got recognized for it?
> 3) What is it you like "most" about the world? What can you do to
> promote that one thing? What next most?
> 4) What is it you like "least" about the world? What can you do
> change that one thing? What next least?
> FWIW: For me these four questions all led to the same answer. I love
> research and I love making knowledge available. I am a library. My
> greatest pleasure right now is learning and sharing and learning via the
> World Wide Web, "especially" via these SpiritWeb Lists. Such
> questions are brought up. In a few months I'll start working again on my
When I am not so fatigued over the next couple of days I will spend some
quality energy on these. I feel these will get me closer. Something that really
struck me hear recently was a post by Barbara Taylor in which she stated her
task was something akin to "helping young souls by bringing spiritually
oriented information to them in a format they are open to and will accept."
Well, that's not exactly what was stated, but the point is that she basically
has a mission statement for the focus of her life. Writing, for instance, is a
tool, not a mission. I am not out to save the planet, or anything, but as big an
issue this is for me, I know I am not doing something I am supposed to be doing.
Maybe it's just an anticipation of something that's coming...
> There is quiet in the spaces between the words in the internal
> Have you tried looking/focusing there? What is focused on... grows.
Yes, I have been there. I need to learn to focus on it again.
> My entity folks, when any of us still in human form have a
> challenge in our lives, have two sayings:
> 1) If you don't like your reality then change it.
> 2) How do you change it: Use your imagination and give energy to the
Changing the reality after I have made the decision is not a problem, it's
making the decision that is so difficult.
> I hope this helps you, John. I really feel related to you. What
> stuff do you, or would you, like to write about. I too am open to
> continuing this thread off-list if you prefer.
It does help. Thank you, Ken. Sometimes I just need someone to remind me to
change my focus. The writing specific stuff is what I was talking about taking
offline. OS Scholar in Observation discussions are obviously appropriate for the
group, but a discussion about the writing process, IMHO, shouldn't be cluttering
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:25:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Scholars in Observation & Life Task
> As for myself, I have nine more years to go before my
> son is an adult and I am no longer legally responsible for him. Like you,
> counting off the nine years to your retirement, I have for a very long
> now been counting off the years until my parental burden was lifted.
OHMYGODYES! Counting the days till they fly away from the nest. That's
another thing that really pisses off my ww (warrior wife).
> Then it got to the point in the recent past where the burden
was just more
> than I could bear. When I made my plea (described above) to the universe,
> were opened up to some new insights that never occurred to me before,
I have done exactly this same thing on several occassions. My problem is I
wait until the last possible moment before I jump off the 900 foot cliff to the
jagged rocks below.
> In your case, by trying to live with a family of five, support
> wife's home-based business (which involves excruciating socializing),
> working at a job you hate, and never having any privacy, you are trying
> to "measure up" to an impossible standard, forcing yourself to
> an incredibly stressful, complex lifestyle that you simply don't have
> the overleaves to accomplish without leading yourself to: (a) a nervous
> breakdown, which is a dramatic (and passive-resistance) way to call
> attention to the fact that, "Hey, I'm dying over here trying to live
> three impossibly demanding lives at the same time (husband and father,
> spouse's work assistant, military job)," or (b) you wake up (ding! a
> light goes on <G> ) and realize you *have* to sit down with your
> step-children and re-negotiate your karmic contracts.
What is really interesting is my wife is working towards (a) a nervous
breakdown. She is bigtime doing the melodramatic thing, and in addition to all
of the above I am supposed to take care of her too. There are a number of things
contributing to this, but she refuses to slow down and quit trying to save the
world. Oh, jeez, let's not take this one any further for the moment. I'm not
ready for that thread yet. : p
> of course I fantasized that my dh would adore my children and
give > them all the love and support (emotional and financial) that their
> father couldn't (another overwhelmed Scholar).
Complete with picket fence, right?
> But living out my Perfect Family Fantasy was so unrealistic,
how could he
> without destroying himself? I love him too much to ask that of him. So
> the upshot was that we had to be very creative about negotiating custody
> and living arrangements so that the kids could get their needs met
> without destroying my dh, my health breaking down mediating between
> everyone, or our marriage being destroyed from too much pressure. It has
> taken constant, *daily* clear, honest, open communication of wants,
> needs and emotions--no matter how "unworthy" those emotions may
> pull this off.
Funny, even with the difference in overleaves, this sounds very similar.
> IMO, it is particularly important in step-families to get the
> resentment (on *everyone's* part, kids, step-parent, natural parent) out
> in the open and deal with it at once, to not let anything accumulate. As
> John Bradshaw says, people tend to "gunny sack injustices until they
> have accumulated enough for one guilt-free explosion of righteous
> Such explosions accomplish nothing but increasing resentment and tearing
> the fragile step family apart.
Oh, yeah. We're still scraping those explosions off the walls.
> Kate, Saging and Priesting you to death again, darn it, you
> bringing up issues incredibly close to my heart <G>
More to come, dear. I ain't dead yet.
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:57:44 -0700
Subject: more on parallel universes
Hearing the parallel universe ideas discussed, some of it just sounds like
probable futures which makes sense to me up until the point where they are all
lived out somewhere. Upon thinking that, I came on some clarification which
helps me at least to understand how all of this may be.
Classically there have always been debates and attempts to understand how man
can have free will while sometimes people have clear visions or senses of things
I think this is possible because time is only linear at a particular plane (what
we normally think of as our 3 dimensional earth existance) and as we touch into
(becoming aware of what always is) the nature of other planes where time is
simultaneous, we can indeed sense potential and probable futures.
But it is also truly the future. There may be a high probability of it
happening, because while we have free choice and free will, more than we might
want to admit, we have tendencies to run more on auto-pilot, on habits and the
core essences of old habits, which are part of the basis for what we call karma.
That's why, with greater awareness, one "wakes up" to a greater range
of choice and steps out of the pull of old habits and having to be locked into
the circles and cycles of karma.
At any time, one can use choice to make different choices than those that
might carry a high probability in one's nature. And then the future is changed.
In a sense, since all time is _now_ at higher levels, (really feel what that
means, feel the way it ripples out from any now moment) -- the other probability
_was_ lived out, just not in the way we are thinking of it. Does anyone else
feel the subtle difference there?
I think this may be at the heart of why some of us sense there's something
off in the current discussion of parallel lives, and also why there _is_ in a
sense something of the sort-- just not in the way it is currently often being
discussed. But it makes all the difference, at least for me.
I'm not sure it's a clear or easy distinction to make, which is why I sense
some of the discussion of parallels has gotten off track. It has to do with the
nature of our understanding of some of the concepts, here, with the rules in
this world vs. what the words mean outside of the duality, linear nature of our
plane. Food for thought.
Best to everyone,
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:38:59 +0000
Subject: Re: Scholars in Observation
> > Ditto for my current, but she is a warrior, so she just
> LOL. Is she an OS Warrior? What are her overleaves?
Haven't done complete
overleaves yet, but the warrior is obvious. Then again,
I have strong warrior bleedthrough, so it's workable. I did get her to do
Meyers-Briggs, and we were a close match there -- the only difference being
introvert/extrovert. I am INTJ and she is ENTJ.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:38:59 +0000
Subject: Re: Scholars in Observation (make Artisans beg for mercy)
> Come on, guys. I realize that as old souls the routines of
> become very tedious, and that it's nice to find some validation for our
> feelings via these teachings, but as I read through these
> stories, the only thing I could think of was, "geez, these guys are
> pricks!" ;-p Now I've known many scholars who talk big and perform
> and many sages who only need the assistance of a swivel chair to boost
> ego, but fellows, your description was by far, the most amusing example
> ever read. ;-p
> Of course, I'm only messing with ya as part of my role as a (with a deep
> voice)...ARTISAN IN OBSERVATION. ;-p
Well, as an OS Scholar, I am giving up the swivel chair for levitation.
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:43:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Artisans in Observation
In a message dated 97-09-25 00:44:05 EDT, email@example.com (Kate McMurry)
<< So, Dave, surely you aren't claiming that Old Artisans in
don't have some interesting stories to tell about figuring out the Life
Task and work in general. <G>
So, what do you do for a living? Do you love it? <G>
I'm a professional musician. I play the clarinet, sax, and flute. I've also
done a fair deal of teaching in the recent past. For awhile, I had 55 private
students each week. I'm a fairly versatile musician. I'm naturally skilled at
jazz improvisation on the sax, yet I'm equally comfortable at filling the chair
as a clarinetist in an orchestra. I truly love performing and studying music,
and feel it's the best path for me in achieving direct contact with essence.
Michael has told me through various channelers that music has always been a
strong focus in my previous past lives. In my most recent past incarnation I was
told that I was a clarinetist with the Moscow symphony, and there have been
other lives where I did good work as a teacher of music. Oddly enough, I feel
that my essence is tiring of the music game and wants me to move in other
directions. I'm not certain what that path might be, but the nudge I feel is
that its a branching off to other areas of creative expression. We'll see....
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:19:39 -0400
Subject: Old Scholars and Life Paths
Dear John Rogers et. al.
Below you will find the email message from an entity/fragment we (Ted
Fontaine and I) call "Yesu". The message deals with a
problem/challenge that I have been dealing with since I arrived in Maryland 4
years ago. I do feel, and deeply comprehend, the truth of Yesu's response to my
situation. I also feel very fulfilled in participating in the
List. But a very strong part of my being wants to express/publish my Old Scholar
Idealist Observations "right now". I also "get" very
strongly and clearly that it would be "Good Work" for me to
"wait" for questions to be asked before publishing any answers. I know
also that my "Chief Feature of
Impatience" is chomping at the bit.
Has anyone else had a similar situation? I'd be very interested in the
responses and comments from my beloved "Michael Teachings" sisters and
Subject: Re: Dear Yesu #4
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 20:54:12 -0400
From: ted fontaine
To: Kenneth Broom
per Kenneth Broom:
> I feel a very strong desire to contribute to earth-life knowledge by
> publishing all of my conscious knowledge and I.A.M. Research results on
> the Internet's World Wide Web in the most spiritually and mentally
> attractive formats possible. You can access my being to understand these
> projects I am referring to. Yet I feel externally and internally
> thwarted in this by an energy that says very little, but continues to
> mitigate against my accomplishing this large task. There always seems to
> be something distracting or frustrating me from doing this, and I have
> made very little progress with these/my "Awareness Projects".
> still continue to grow rapidly in accumulated knowledge and wisdom.
> What is your view of my Awareness Projects? Do they have value at this
> time for me and the earth population? What is the source and reason for
> the distractions, frustrations, and procrastinations? How can I get
> these projects really rolling? What is the best thing I can do at this
> time regarding my awareness projects?
> My immediate "feeling" is to pick one and get on with it, but
> all so interrelated that I feel very uncomfortable about picking one
> without all the others that are connected to the picked one. What am I
> missing here? How can I get what's missing? Helllllpp! :-)
We will say here that spirit when it is about to be revealed will resist
all attempts to regulate it. We can say more - and we will - but this
statement alone is enough to answer your question. So we ask you to look
at the statment for a while. You could even put this email away and play
with the statement.
I did do this.
Now, we will say here to let the earth's population take care of itself.
They are all of the same one. Let them make their mistakes. Errors are
powerful learning tools as well. If humanity new its Truth then they
would simply dissolve back into the ONe. We will say that creation
requires a degree of ignorance about itself. Therefore with the
ignorance there allows for an unknown outcome. We call this Divine
Don't think of your projects as having any significance other than your
enjoyment in doing them. They are of you and they need no justifications.
The less justification you give them the easier they will flow. If they
change course allow them to. Ask yourself how you can serve your project.
Say, "how can I serve you?", allow it the freedom to do what it
to. It will explore a bit - let it. It will test itself - let it. It does not
care if if
reaches one or a million people - allow it to be what it wants to be. If it
it will sell - if it dies then it has given you what you asked for - then
thank it and let it be.
Blessings to you -- Yesu
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, Columbia, MD, USA
aka I.A.M. Research
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:19:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Ed: Advice for John
Dear John -- I offer you unsolicited advice here.
You seem to be (like practically everyone it seems) becoming more and more
aware of all the disharmonies in your situation...an intense awareness.
Just remember that your essence, guides, All That Is, et al, are eagerly
waiting to be of service IF YOU ASK. If you don't know specifically what to ask
for, ask for a synchronous contact with some person or book or whatever that
will give you the message you most need to hear. Often it takes a couple of days
for them to orchestrate a synchronous connection with other people. You might
receive some direct message as a vision, dream or realization.
Keep doing it. This is a very good way to connect with important soul buddies
you haven't before; with these it may take two or three jumps of synchronicity
for the guys upstairs to pull the strings to get you together.
You might ask for something like who, in your local geographical area, could
you connect with [or you and wife both connect with, or whatever is the most
optimum possible such connection] that would be someone you could share with as
a fellow old soul, or old souls, for mutual benefit. If you can get together
periodicaly with a few people and share you'll all find it very empowering.
All this might be common sense bromide, but it works if you want it to.
All the best, Ed
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:45:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Scholars in Observation
> Only if she were your ET, as you suspect (and which I am
getting is in fact
> the case, btw) could you have been kept from running in horror from
> taking on such an incredibly overloading job! <G>
Well, I did feel that when we first met. A long story that I won't go into in
detail, but the circumstances involved in us even meeting were incredible. I was
26 years old, a confirmed bachelor, and even if I did someday marry, it would
never be to anyone who smoked or had children. We were living together three
months later, and married in another five. The electricity was staggering when
Go back and check that reading again, and my response if you have it. Michael
indicated that I had not met my
essence twin yet, and it would not be good work to summon
at this time. My response was that my ET's overleaves described my wife. It
might be interesting if you asked again and see what you get.
> The warrior bleedthrough that led you to select the military in
> first place is even more strengthened now that you are married to your
> ET. Speaking as one who was also married to my ET, since being with him,
> a Scholar, I have become more Scholar than Sage. <G>
The warrior bleedthrough has always been evident, but became much stronger
when I moved geographically closer to my ET, even though I hadn't met her.
> OS Warrior friend of mine who is Artisan bleedthrough reminded
> this recently, to deny the most essential part of you, your primary
> overleaf, your Role, is to deny yourself any true peace or contentment.
> It can also cause you to feel victimized by fate leading to a, to
> varying degrees, conscious or unconscious resentment of the very
> persons/obligations on whose behalf you have denied who you really are.
> Sadly, this can many times drive a wedge in your relationship with your
> spouse and the rest of the family members to whom you feel obligated.
Bingo. That has been happening for several years, and I am struggling with
how to resolve it now.
> (BTW, not understanding who I was, what I needed, and always
> was "right," that is, totally living for the fulfillment of my
mates' < clip>
> like you have found your ET after the age of 30, you have far more
> chance of resolving your issues since both of you, being older and wiser
> (and more likely to be manifesting your true soul age) are likely to be
> much more conscious about who you are than my ET and I were in our 20s.)
We are both aware of the problem, and are just now beginning the first steps
> I think, as JP channeled recently, that what eludes OS's many
> (and makes them suffer needlessly a lot of shame and self-doubt) is
> that the whole point of being here is simply to *play* the karma game,
> to just keep moving.
I really feel I am either not doing something that I am supposed to be doing,
or whatever I am supposed to be doing is right around the corner waiting for me.
This is very strong.
> Our job isn't to "look good," to never make mistakes,
> to be "enlightened" and full of grace. It isn't to save the
These aren't an issue for me. Period. Purpose is what concerns me.
> In this regard, I've found that my "dharma" as an OS,
I like the term "dharma". That is exactly what I am talking about.
> In your case (looking at your overleaves), you have a definite
> of interest, as I say, between your Warrior and Scholar. And then
> there's your Sage Casting and Sage imprint from your father, Sage being
> frequently diametrically opposed to what the Scholar needs (the
> extrovert dragging the horrified introvert onto the stage <G>).
> there's your strong Server imprint from your mother. The Server can get
> the poor, beleagured Scholar up to his eyebrows in social (people! aaak!
> <G>) obligations. The Scholar valiantly tries to fulfill them but
> so darn overloaded in the process, he feels like he is drowning.
I have learned to use the Sage, and would probably benefit from allowing it
to surface more often. The
Server has been a problem in the past, and has
created some resentment for me. It's something I am working through now.
> Also, because you are living with your ET, you are in many ways
> out a double set of overleaves (I have the same going for me), which is
> real "fun" for the Growth thing, because it immensely
> <wry grin>
Yep, just like an amusement park. Only someone accidently put the Fun House
sign on the House of Horrors!
> but can make the task of sorting out, "Who am I, really,
> what do I most want to do?" next to impossible. Who you are, really,
> a lot of things, a lot of "people." And there may never be any
> "purpose," any one life work (job or career or calling) that
> satisfy all of you.
> That can be a real problem for you as a member of our culture. We are
> all programmed to want (though the manifestation of this desire in
> action has a different "flavor" depending on the soul age) and,
> God, to *get* <G> the "ideal" (utterly romanticized and
> non-existent except in Madison-Avenue fantasy) in all aspects of life.
No, I have always known I am in
Growth, and am destined to work my ass off. I
am not striving for perfection. I just want purposeful work. And it has nothing
to do with pleasing God. It has to do with my selfish desire for fulfillment.
> In this regard, with your Warrior overleaf, you will be
naturally a very
> hard worker, and as such, Warriors have a tendency to assume that all
> good fortune is because "I worked hard for my money."
You hit that one right on the head.
> (I once said to a holier-than-thou YS Warrior on her high horse
> this entitlement, "If hard work were the way to prosperity and
> every peon on the planet putting in 18-hour days, seven days a week
> would be rich as a king." <G>)
Well, I haven't gone to that extreme.
> This tendency to feel dis-ease is in you reinforced by strong
> perfectionistic tendencies coming from several areas in your overleaves.
> You aren't in Discrimination, which can get *really* bad about
> perfectionism (pickiness), but you are a Cynic. This overleaf will, to
> quote the Basic Teachings, "in the negative pole, denigrate others
> situations without cause." The Cynic is also introverted, adding to
> introversion of the Scholar and Observation.
Yes, I do have perfectionist tendencies. My work must be perfect, and I often
have unrealistic expectations of others.
> On introversion, <clip> This weights you heavily toward
> introversion end of the spectrum.
Way, way introversion. But I have learned to live outside that extreme.
> OTOH, looking at your ET/dh's overleaves, we have exalted in
> goal, and mode with the Role in ordinal and the attitude and CNF
> neutral. This means the pull is the reverse of yours, toward
Yep. Meyers-Briggs even confirms this as our chief difference.
> The upshot is that you and your mate/ET might act to balance
Ideally, yes. We realized this from the start.
> or, to the degree that you don't know yourselves, merge into an
> that may not necessarily be a new "whole that is better than the sum
> its parts."
Which is kinda where we are now.
> Just to make the marriage monad more interesting, the
> tendency is weighted toward you "giving in" (introversion can
> "passivity," going along to get along) to your partner more
than this is
> likely from your wife. Warriors, by gum, know what is "right"
> given moment and can often be remarkably free of self-doubts when in
> forward motion. <G> The trouble is, when one mate exists only (or
> primarily) to support and uphold the goals of the other, and is not by
> Role a Server (who absolutely, bone-deep revels in this sort of
> situation <G>), this can be a prescription for misery. Esp. for a
> Scholar, who is, as I say, utterly drained by the sorts of goals set for
> her self by a Warrior with a home-business and a family.
Yep, yep, yep. You have described the current situation perfectly.
> Where is your haven? Where is your sanctum? Where, in short,
> get some peace, quiet and privacy (all of which are *essential* for the
> survival of the Scholar).
At the moment it is non-existent, which is causing a major malfunction.
> To put it even more bluntly, according to what you've
> wife has exactly what she needs (for the most part--she gets, as you say
> "pissed" with you, I would hazard an educated guess, mainly
> don't naturally and happily "get with the program" of
supporting all the
> time family life, that you give "grudingly" rather than with a
> your face). You, OTOH, are *not* having your most basic needs met, other
> than the indescribable spiritual delight of the incredibly flowing,
> innate, nothing-need-be-done-about-it connection of being with one's ET.
> (There is, of course, a *lot* to be said for that connection, and most
> of us, including me, would eat nails to keep it going. <wry grin> )
> though in an ET mating on a certain level (the soul-deep connection of
> one's "other half") there is *no* work to be done, on another
> there is a *lot* of work to be done--if you want the relationship (you
> are in Growth, never forget that one) to survive. That level is, as I
> mentioned briefly above, the tendency for the relationship to teeter out
> of balance, because one (in this case, you), is drawn to give in
> totally to the other, to become a shadow in the other's sun.
> Well, I go on and on. Your reading is fascinating. <G>
Whew, lots to chew on. Thank you, Kate. Hope you have some words left for
> You're a writer? Great! It could be a very good career choice
for you in
> terms of fulfilling all parts of you. However, the reality is, as you
> say, you need, right this minute, to support a large family. Trying to
> get into writing at this juncture would depend on how much you had
> written in the past, when and why you gave it up and what it would take
> for you to pick it up again.
The plan for the moment is for me to trudge through another nine years in the
military which will secure a monthly retirement check and medical coverage. Also
to continue assisting my wife in the horse thing, so that by the time that nine
years is up there is also an additional significant source of income. In three
or four years, after the oldest two kids have moved on, and the third is in
transition, I should have enough time to pursue this in earnest as a part-time
endeavor. At the end of the nine years, all of the kids will be gone, and I
should be able to spend as much time writing (or whatever) as I need. I gave up
reading and writing when I took on the family.
> Are you the kind of person who can use writing to de-stress
> does it become one more source of stress (due to worrying incessantly
> about "getting it right")? You sound very organized, and that
can be useful
> in the attempt to "steal" time to write.
Writing always energized me. And I have actually found ways to steal time at
work, which is actually easier than stealing time from home. I started
brainstorming an idea for a novel last week, and will probably use my stolen
time to continue that. At least create a framework if I am not able to actually
start writing for the time being.
> Why isn't it appropriate? We are talking in Michael terms and
> teachings, which to "newbies" and old timers alike may seem
> fascinating but not really "of this earth" and and bringing it
> the ground, showing what it means in action, putting the overleaves and
> their interpretation into very concrete, real-world terms. Why would
> that be inappropriate for a Michael list? <scratching head> As has
> brought up befire, if people aren't interested in a particular thread,
> they can delete the posts pertaining to it and go on to other treads, or
> start threads that they what to hear talked about. :)
As I stated in another post, I feel the OS Scholar in Observation is very
appropriate. I was talking about you mentoring writers as an inappropriate
topic. But, of course the context of the thread would determine that.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:45:04 +0000
Subject: Re: Ed: Advice for John
> Dear John -- I offer you unsolicited advice here.
Thanks, if I wasn't open to it, I wouldn't be participation in a public
> You seem to be (like practically everyone it seems) becoming
more and more
> aware of all the disharmonies in your situation...an intense awareness.
> Just remember that your essence, guides, All That Is, et al, are eagerly
> waiting to be of service IF YOU ASK. If you don't know specifically what
> ask for, ask for a synchronous contact with some person or book or
> that will give you the message you most need to hear. Often it takes a
> couple of days for them to orchestrate a synchronous connection with
> people. You might receive some direct message as a vision, dream or
Yes, thank you for reminding me. I have been sleeping for about the last five
years, and am slowly waking back up to these simple facts and tools. I became
overwhelmed by a drastic lifestyle change, curled up into the fetal position,
and completely forgot about who I was and what I was capable of. Recovery is
picking up momentum.
A simple example of this process, for those who may not have used it follows.
Six months or so after leaving the Army, while working as a commercial
fisherman, I began exploring geographic areas that might be nice to live in.
There was one particular tiny town near Mt Rainier that caught my attention, and
I asked for a "runner" (Ramtha term) to bring me information. Two days
later the skipper of the boat brought a guest along with him that he had met the
night before at his favorite watering hole. The guest was from a town within 20
miles of the town I was looking for information on. He gave me the name and
phone number of a park ranger that lived in my town.
I never did move there, but hindsight being 20/20 it is probably a good
thing. When Mt Rainier blows its top that town will be one of the first to go.
Thanks again, Ed. What you say is true. I think my growth in this situation
is supposed to be the realization that I don't have to be overwhelmed, and
things are much simpler than I try to make them.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:45:03 +0000
Subject: Re: Old Scholars and Life Paths
I have heard this message before, Ken, from different entities in different
words. Thank you for reminding me of them.
> Don't think of your projects as having any significance other
> enjoyment in doing them. They are of you and they need no
> The less justification you give them the easier they will flow. If they
> change course allow them to. Ask yourself how you can serve your
> Say, "how can I serve you?", allow it the freedom to do what it
> It will explore a bit - let it. It will test itself - let it. It does not
> care if if reaches one or a million people - allow it to be what it
> wants to be. If it sells it will sell - if it dies then it has given you
> you asked for - then thank it and let it be.
> Blessings to you -- Yesu
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:37:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Ed: Advice for John 2
Dear John -- Good, and of course, stay with it.
I was living up in Ramtha-land most of this summer. I have some friends there
who are or have been involved (I never have been interested) and I visited there
several times since 1992 and completely enjoyed every minute. The
"masters" are a very older-soul interesting group and there are
probably a couple of thousand living around Rainier/Yelm/McKenna. Each time I
visited I met several new interesting people and synchronous connections.
Intellectually I had to deal with all the conspiracy theory stuff that they
are into (and that is the world capitol of that viewpoint) and just like the
Ramsters do, you eventually find a way to live with the conspiracy stuff and go
on with life. It seems to be true, and I've seen quite a few specific examples,
that people who really focus on the dark stuff really get messed up, if they
aren't already "crazy".
Because there is still somewhat of a cultish flavor in the area even among
the ex-followers I never felt quite right with it. If you have any specific
questions about places or people I might be able to answer them. I certainly
wouldn't worry about Rainier if you're otherwise attracted to the area; there's
no reason why the mountain should do anything anytime terribly soon, if it does
there is warning, and if it does a lot, the east side is more likely to be
affected. The earth-changes scaremongers make a big deal of Mt. Rainier but it
could easily go 50 or 100 years before anything happens.
Now for further unsolicited advice.....I sense you having a feeling of
imprisonment from the idea of having to stay in the military for 9 years for the
"should" of medical benefits and pensions, etc., which abrades with
the increasing "quickening" that makes it more like 900 years of
change. All I ask, with no suggested answer or implication, is why do you
believe you have to put up with that? Old souls are very good at knowing what
they do and don't prefer to experience and you sense that well. You are
thoroughly competent and the universe/guides/essences, etc., would love to help
orchestrate a better situation if you ask for it. If the only problem is that
you are burdened with the social fear-based reality imprints about retirement,
starving to death and medical financial catastrophes and other good stuff like
that, I can engage you with withering barrages of deadly arguments from my
realist perspective (though that wouldn't be much fun) that might help to
dissipate the fear-based imprint. For one, I'll promise you that within a few
years the boomers will pass some kind of health insurance system that will cover
all the things everyone is worried about. Fear of medical financial catastrophe
wiping out family resources affects conservatives, too, and something will
happen. Our system does work when a large enough consensus forms on some course
Therefore...ask yourself lots of questions: Why do I believe that? What would
happen if I did, or didn't do that? What am I afraid of about XYZ? Do I choose
or choose not to go along with "should" ABC? By what reasoning am I
limiting myself as to thus and so, and is it reason or fear? And so on. Asking
questions is VERY powerful.
All the best, Ed
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:27:42 +0000
Subject: Re: Ed: Advice for John 2
> I was living up in Ramtha-land most of this summer.
> Intellectually I had to deal with all the conspiracy theory stuff that
> are into (and that is the world capitol of that viewpoint) and just like
> Ramsters do, you eventually find a way to live with the conspiracy stuff
> go on with life. It seems to be true, and I've seen quite a few specific
> examples, that people who really focus on the dark stuff really get
> up, if they aren't already "crazy".
One of the main reasons I left the Ramtha school was this stuff (the other
being Ramtha himself saying, "You don't need me. You can go do this stuff
on your own." They are really big into the conspiracy stuff, earth changes,
collapse of the economy, etc. I think 1994 was the year Ramtha said the economy
would collapse, and those who had not attained "sovereignty" would in
effect become slaves to the rich and powerful. This stuff really turned me off.
The core teachings though -- moving energy, manifesting, conquering doubt, etc.
> I certainly wouldn't worry about Rainier if you're otherwise
attracted to the area;
> there's no reason why the mountain should do anything anytime terribly
> if it does there is warning, and if it does a lot, the east side is more
> likely to be affected. The earth-changes scaremongers make a big deal of
> Rainier but it could easily go 50 or 100 years before anything happens.
Yes, it could. But Rainier has always been the one earth change thing that
bothered me. I'm going with my gut on this one, and simply avoiding the area.
And sure, there will be warnings, but why put myself in that situation in the
> Now for further unsolicited advice.....I sense you having a
> imprisonment from the idea of having to stay in the military for 9 years
> the "should" of medical benefits and pensions, etc., which
abrades with the
> increasing "quickening" that makes it more like 900 years of
Yes, there is a feeling of imprisonment there. There is also an agreement I
have made with my wife to stick it out. Now that I find myself re-awakening
though, I will be opening myself to other avenues, and of course, then the
agreement could be re-negotiated. Please clarify "quickening". From
where are you using this term? Wilde?
> All I ask, with no suggested answer or implication, is why do
you believe you have
> to put up with that? Old souls are very good at knowing what they do and
> don't prefer to experience and you sense that well. You are thoroughly
> competent and the universe/guides/essences, etc., would love to help
> orchestrate a better situation if you ask for it. If the only problem is
> that you are burdened with the social fear-based reality imprints about
> retirement, starving to death and medical financial catastrophes and
> good stuff like that, I can engage you with withering barrages of deadly
> arguments from my realist perspective (though that wouldn't be much fun)
> might help to dissipate the fear-based imprint. For one, I'll promise you
> that within a few years the boomers will pass some kind of health
> system that will cover all the things everyone is worried about. Fear of
> medical financial catastrophe wiping out family resources affects
> conservatives, too, and something will happen. Our system does work when
> large enough consensus forms on some course of action.
Agreed. I don't fear the collapse of Social Security either. It will either
be changed or replaced. And it's not my fear of lack of security that has me in
this situation. It is my wife's. I bought into that initially on solely an
intellectual level, though inwardly I knew better. I believe I am moving to the
point where I may manifest something better.
> Therefore...ask yourself lots of questions: Why do I believe
that? What would
> happen if I did, or didn't do that? What am I afraid of about XYZ? Do I
> choose or choose not to go along with "should" ABC? By what
reasoning am I
> limiting myself as to thus and so, and is it reason or fear? And so on.
> Asking questions is VERY powerful.
> Thank you, Ed. Your advise is quite sound, and I know you are right.
I have been working on this stuff over the past couple of days and am already
experiencing the change. It feels good.
An interesting side note:
The other morning I dropped an applicant off at the Military Entrance
Processing Station in Seattle for a physical. This process requires me to leave
home at 3 a.m. So by the time I drop off my applicant at 6 I am kinda woozy and
drive down to the waterfront and nap in the car for an hour or so. After
sleeping for a bit I found myself in that half sleeping/half waking state, and
was just kinda floating there. An entity outside of me (I did not initiate this)
drew a semi-circle of golden light from my front to back and left to right. Then
it initiated a charge that moved up my spine, energizing each chakra as it
progressed. It was very strange. I have initiated similar experiences many times
on my own, but have never had this done by an outside source. There is obviously
someone out there helping me.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:02:38 -0400 (EDT)
After reading about the concerns some scholars have noted regarding
meditation, I offer this from my own experience.
I realize there are several schools of thought on the subject. Many say you
close your eyes and become empty, or something to that effect. The fact is, our
minds are always going on in the background, wondering how long am I going to
sit here and wait for the warm fuzzy feeling to take over, what was I going to
do this evening, did I remember to return that library book....you get the
What works for me are the meditations I get from the 3HO organization (happy,
healthy and holy). These meditations were first taught in 1969 by a master of
Kundalini yoga named Yogi Bhajan. He came to the West from India to give us
tools we would need in order to be strong enough to handle the challenges of the
Aquarian Age. He did not come to be anyone's guru. He came to teach teachers.
One basic meditation: you put the body into a comfortable sitting position
with the spine absolutely straight, tucking chin slightly to stretch the
vertebrae at the base of the skull. Let the hands rest on the knees with the
thumbs and forefingers of each hand forming an"O" and the other three
fingers are straight. This hand position is called gyan mudra. Gyan means
knowledge. Using other fingers activates other centers, however, gyan mudra is
most commonly used. Eye position can either be closed, focusing your attention
at the point between and slightly above the brow at your third eye; or you can
have the eyes 1/10th open looking at the tip of the nose. This second eye
position takes some getting used to because your body will tell you that it is
dizzy or the focal point tends to shift around. If practiced regularly, this
tendency decreases and you will become steady in this by the 40th day. Next part
of the meditation is the breath. One that is especially calming that I like to
do is this: inhaling through the nose in 4 even segments, then exhaling through
the nose in 4 even segments. Completely fill and empty your lungs on each cycle.
Pay complete attention to the breath. It will automatically slow down into a
comfortable rhythm after about 3 minutes. The optimal time for this meditation
is 31 minutes, though you get benefits from this at 11 minutes also.
Ravi Nam Kaur Khalsa
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:47:26 -0700
Subject: The Nine Needs
This is an interesting article from Jose and Lena Stevens' Pivotal
I think it's neat to look at and determine what are my main needs in this life
and as I look at those, I get an indication (or verification) of where my major
issues in life are as well. I think this makes a great tool for finding what our
fears are about and hoped we could discuss some of this, anyone who feels like
By the way--in regards to John Rogers' post saying that you want fulfillment
and purpose only out of "selfish" desires--please consider you are
where you're at for a reason, and that seeking fulfillment and purpose is what
all essences seek--it is not selfish necessarily--it's getting your needs met,
which are just as valid as anyone else's. I'm seeking the same thing.....
I've got some of my own stuff interjected in here to illustrate how I've used
this information. But the whole article is copied below and can be found here
The Nine Needs
> If you have been a student of the Michael Teachings you are
quite familiar with the
> overleaves that define the personality. You know that each person has an
> that is a consistent theme throughout their lives and that they have a
goal that orients
> their motivations toward a particular theme. This goal or motivational
> with each lifetime to provide a wide range of lessons. As with the goal,
> mode, center, body type, and chief feature also change with each life to
> unique combinations to challenge and delight the essence's experience of
life on Earth.
> In addition to the overleaves, each person has needs that seek
satisfaction. In total there
> are nine needs but each individual has only three of them that are stable
> Some of these needs are similar to the overleaves but they serve a
> function. While the overleaves are primary perspectives, methods, and
> reacting, the needs are simply requirements for personal satisfaction.
> combinations of needs and overleaves are common: for example, the need
> and being intellectually centered, the need for freedom and having the
> the need for communion and having the emotional center, yet any need can
go with any
> set of overleaves. Some combinations make for eccentric-looking people
and may in
> fact raise conflicts within the personality - such as the need for
security combined with
> a goal of growth.
Lori here--Yeah! The need for security and the goal of growth do indeed, in
my own experience of having these two, make my life very strage--it's like
having one foot on the brake and the other on the accellerator almost all the
time--it tears you apart unless you can find a good balance point--very hard to
do! Sometimes it is so excruciatingly painful, bundles of energy with nowhere to
go, I get obsessed.....
> More often the needs totally support the set of overleaves
> that for example, the need for expansion is likely to go with passion
mode, a goal of
> dominance, and a Jupiter body type.
> Here are the nine needs and a simple code to help you remember them.
> CODE TO REMEMBER: SAFE PEACE
> 1. SECURITY 5. POWER
> 2. ADVENTURE 6. EXPRESSION
> 3. FREEDOM 7. ACCEPTANCE
> 4. EXPANSION 8. COMMUNION
> 9. EXCHANGE
> If your needs are met, you will be happy; to the extent they are not met,
you will feel
> stress, feel frustrated, or be dissatisfied. Sometimes the stress of not
having your needs
> met results in personal growth, so it is not always a bad thing if your
needs are not met.
> On occasion your essence deliberately thwarts a need so that you will be
pushed to deal
> with a lesson. For example, essence may block your security need for
awhile to push
> you out of your comfortable pattern (a safe but boring job), and get you
> your horizons.
Yeah, that's where I'm at: a safe job doing totally scholarly things--I am a
scientist who collects lots of data, but it's a boring job. Interestingly
though, in a way it gives me freedom too: money to do the kinds of eccentric
things I like--like going to Michael conferences and alternative healing centers
;-), I get to surf the 'net, I get to get away from taking care of my wonderful
but so physically/emotionally demanding 17-month old son, so that the time I do
spend with him is more quality time, well, usually.... I keep looking though at
what other stuff I'd like to do: I've thought of going into doing bodywork and
Reiki and my own somewhat esoteric channeling/healing techniques, on my own, but
would have no health benefits (and I use those A LOT) and would probably have to
stay home, without childcare, and I just think I would go absolutely nuts like I
almost did a year ago when I had 6 months off for maternity leave. It's
funny--like, I need security but depending on someone else like my husband, for
income/benefits makes me so antsy--I value my independence too much (which shows
a need for freedom too, but I wonder if it's one of me "3 main needs,"
> There are nine needs in all, but since each person has only
three main needs you may
> share one or more needs with another person or you may have none in
> them. The needs tend to run relationships and have much to do with
> relationship is sustainable or not. If you share no needs with a person,
it may be
> difficult to make the relationship successful in the long run,
particularly if you have
> contradictory needs. The more needs you have in common with another
> more you will tend to get along well. Karmic relationships are often
> opposing needs- like one person with a need for freedom and the other
with a need for
Heh--yeah--THAT one has come up in my karmic/soul-mate type of relationships!
> Example of no connection:
> Person 1. expansion - freedom - adventure
> Person 2. communion - security - acceptance
> Example of some connection:
> Person 1. expression - security - acceptance
> Person 2. communion - security - expansion
> Example of strong connection:
> Person 1. exchange - security - adventure
> Person 2. communion - security - adventure
> The needs can be expressed negatively or positively. You can see this in
> and negative poles of each. The needs are normal drives, but may become
> due to fear patterns in the personality. They can be entangled with chief
> contaminated by the traps of centers. You will see examples of these
That's how I see you can use these needs as indicators of where fears are
running you and where Chief Feature takes over.
> Your soul age or level of maturity has a big influence on
whether you express the needs
> in a healthy way or not. They can be expressed quite differently
depending on the soul
> ages and levels. For example, an infant soul might kill someone to meet
his need for
> adventure; a baby soul might become a missionary to meet that need; a
young soul with
> a need for adventure may go off to war; a mature soul might seek
adventure in a
> romance; an old soul might travel for spiritual enrichment. As you read
on, you will
> learn the positive and negative poles of each, and discern how they might
> according to soul age.
> Each need has seven levels and the higher the level of need met, the
greater the level of
> satisfaction. The older the soul you are, the more chance you have of
being able to
> meet the highest levels of each need. However, in a crisis you may have
to return to the
> lowest levels to meet a need temporarily.
> Here are some explanations of the nine needs and what they refer to.
> 1. Security: + trust - fear
> Before taking any kind of action or making any decision, the person needs
> they will be OK; they need an anchor point. For example, before moving to
> town, they need to have a job set up or know a friend there.
> The positive aspect is being able to trust that you will always get what
you need and
> that your essence is arranging your life according to a higher plan. In
the negative pole
> you can be fearful of doing anything, appear phobic, and never want to
leave the house
> or try anything without total assurance.
I think this one relates a lot to
caution mode and as far as scholars go, we
like to check most things out before we do them anyway, I think.... Exploring
all the possibilities. Certainly there have been times where I let my security
needs just fall away into the wind, but having this need as a high priority does
make it difficult to move. I look back at my childhood though, and wonder if
there isn't a kid alive who was either orphaned or adopted that doesn't have
this as a high one on the list! I can see how my essence would have set up this
one, I was adopted as a baby at 3 weeks of age, but was taken from my mother at
birth. There is a whole lot of bonding and security forming that goes on at that
critical stage of a child's life....It certainly makes sense then that this has
always been a big issue for me. I had lots of irrational fears as a child and
got a lot of security issues of my mom imprinted on me too.
> The seven levels of the need for security are: 1. blind faith
2. groping, intimidation,
> clinging to false hope 3. clinging to tradition 4. safety based on theory
5. safety based
> on reliable sources 6. safety based on experience and intuition 7. trust
in the Tao.
Well I hope I can find this kind of trust in #7 for more than a few moments
in a higher-centered state! :^) No really, I know I can trust, but there is
something deep within me that hasn't healed--a fear of abandonment and it really
deals with survival, very primal things.
> 2. Adventure: + presence - drama
> This is the need for adrenaline rush, travel, new experiences,
stimulation, and risk
> taking. It can also be the need for challenge, and therefore is often
associated with the
> goal of growth.
> Since adventure stimulates a person to be awake and pay attention, it
supports a high
> degree of presence. This is excellent for a person who has tended to fall
> after lifetime. Adventure can be contaminated with self-destructiveness
and greed (or
> any chief feature), leading to intensely negative dramas.
> The seven levels of the need for adventure are: 1. destructive drama 2.
> glamour/addictions/adrenaline rush 3. excitement of senses -
> sex/drugs/entertainment/travel 4. stimulation of mind/learning 5.
self/inner discovery 6.
> essence contact 7. enlightenment/presence.
I like this one a lot...adventure...but it's not so strong for me as
something to seek out more than once in a while.....
> 3. Freedom: + independence - fear of commitment
> This is the need for unfettered experience. If you have this need you
desire as much
> freedom from structure (9-5) and commitments (deadlines) as possible; you
> spontaneity and great mobility.
> In the positive pole you are a responsible and independent person who
> yourself and is not controlled by the culture or environmental
constraints. In the
> negative pole you can be a flake, never keeping agreements, running away
> responsibility, and acting like what Jung called the puer or puella
> The seven levels of the need for freedom are: 1. destructive
> aimless/unfocused 3. released/ unshackled 4. liberated mentally 5.
> 6. freely choosing 7. realization of limitless potential/ peaceful.
This one I feel pretty strongly too! It certainly is in conflict with the
security need but pulls on my goal of growth.... I enjoy spontenaity, and
sometimes have fears of commitments, fears of getting trapped into something I'd
have no control over.....But I know I've always been an independent kind of
person, done lots of stuff on my own when no one else was interested.....often
was a "loner"....
> 4. Expansion: + prosperity - indiscriminate growth
> Having this need means that you want to build on, add on, make things
grow at all
> levels. You are an empire builder; striving to be evolutionary, future
oriented, and a
> big-picture person. You pursue and encourage growth in business, property
> accumulation, agriculture, home building, family growth, and anything
that can expand,
> The positive pole means pursuing true prosperity, fulfillment, and
satisfaction on every
> level; to make a big difference in the world. In the negative pole, you
may simply be
> greedy for things and are likely to become physically fat.
> The seven levels of the need for expansion are: 1. cancer 2.
> growth/accumulation 3. sprawl 4. stretch of ideas 5. emotional expansion/
> expansion of spirit/awareness/transformation 7. total
Nah, I've got hardly any action overleaves anyway....but the growth, and
transformation, awareness, I relate to that.
> 5. Power: + authority - authoritarian
> This need drives you to have influence, feel capable, exude confidence,
> and desire responsibility. In lieu of being powerful you may like to be
around big power
> or be the power behind the throne; to be the king maker, for example.
> In the positive pole, you will develop into a person who wields authority
> common good or be an authoritative person who is able to teach others. In
> pole, you can easily become a tyrant or a dictator.
> The seven levels of the need for power are: 1. crush opposition 2.
oppress self and
> others 3. control self and others 4. guide/influence self and others 5.
> energy leaks/self discipline 6. spiritual practices to build power 7.
> authority/spiritual power.
The only power I'm interested in is personal....
> 6. Expression: + creative - lies
> This need drives you to be heard, seen, and felt - in dress, artistic
creations, and verbal
> expression. The need for expression encourages creative expression in
> example. A highly expressive artist might motivate others to increase
their level of
> expression by showing them what is possible.
> The positive pole of the need for expression is to exploit one's own
creative talent to its
> full potential for the benefit of self and others. In the negative pole
you might fall into
> demanding that others see you and hear you sans quality, monopolize
people as sages
> often do, have no taste, and seek only to shock people.
> The seven levels of the expression need are: 1. total destruction 2.
destructive acts 3.
> infamy/shock others for attention/ vanity 4. work projects 5. entertain
6. artistic self
> expression 7. renaissance person - full use of creativity to delight the
Neat and aritsan/sagy, something that attracts me as beauty does, but not
such a high need I guess....
> 7. Acceptance: + open, friendly - manipulative
> This is the need to be loved, nurtured, cared for, included, and well
received. This need
> also requires you to be friendly and accepting of others.
> In the positive pole you will have the need to be open and inviting with
people. In the
> negative pole you can be dishonest or ingratiating to prevent rejection.
This approach to
> life results in manipulative behavior that will eventually boomerang.
> The seven levels of the acceptance need are: 1. ingratiation 2. pleasing
3. toleration 4.
> conditional acceptance 5. matter-of-fact ok-ness 6. love 7. agape.
hmm....this one I feel at least as strongly as freedom...."I want to be
loved," is a very true statement as I have quite a fear of being judged,
even as I realize I'm my own worst critic.
> 8. Communion: + sharing - indiscriminate contact
> This is the need to be with people all the time. You tend to be tribal
and family oriented
> and highly social. Any excuse will do for a get-together, and anyone will
> The positive pole leads you to share your space and generate a feeling of
> community. In fact, with this need you will be a community builder. The
> means that you are indiscriminate in your contacts and are willing to
hang around with
> bad eggs like drug dealers just to avoid being alone. You literally run
from alone time.
> This can result in people seeing you as extremely shallow.
> The seven levels of the need for communion are: 1. indiscriminate contact
> neediness 3. fraternizing 4. socializing 5. closeness/warmth 6. intimacy
> 7. union.
#6 and #7 here are very strongly compelling to me--hence perhaps, my desire
to have this mailing list? To find comerades and create a kind of on-line
community, where everyone's "safe" to be themselves and share with
each other with common interests....
> 9. Exchange: + disseminate and absorb - slander, gossip, dealer
> This is the need to exchange information, energy, or goods with people
when you are
> with them. You will tend to socialize only if you have something to
> you will see no point in the contact. In the positive pole you can be a
> of knowledge for people, a great teacher and student. In the negative
pole you can be a
> snitch, a slanderer, or manipulative with information. You can also be a
> dealer or drug dealer.
> The seven levels of the need for exchange are: 1. slander/war 2. gossip
3. idle chatter 4.
> trade/barter 5. mutual profit (win-win) 6. understanding 7.
I like this one too--expresses my scholarliness and priestliness (in
All I know for sure is that
Security is my highest need--I've done lots of
alternative healing/self-help type of work trying to get to the root of that
need and get it more in balance with my other needs. Freedom and adventure I
really need once in a while just to make things bearable. The goal of growth and
security need really tears me apart. My ultimate goal I feel I need is to
integrate all these parts of myself and find a kind of harmony.... Something
where I can share with other people my knowledge/talents (like in communion or
exchange), be creative in expression, accepted/accepting, loving/loved, free and
secure at the same time....All this wrapped up in some kind of package that I
don't know what it looks like....
I wonder if there should be more than just these 9 needs....because, I can
see how they go in threes along with the axes of the overleaves: (IMO--I could
have some of these on the wrong axis)
communion would be on the Inspiration axis
adventure on the Action axis (king/warrior)
exchange on the Expression axis (sage/artisan)
So I wonder where the neutral assimilation axis comes in here. Or are all
What would the neutral ones be? Scholars need to be learning something new all
the time, and I know that need isn't getting met for me in the ways I want to,
but sometimes they are.
So, for assimilation axis:
Rest, Relaxation, and ....hmm.... what could the third one be? Just
assimilation? Should there be 12 needs and not just 9?
Hey! Maybe these are where the True work, rest, play, and study come in???
I'm not getting much on this...it's too subjective for me to channel on so far,
and anyway, the way I channel is kind of different.
Anyone got some input or ideas on their own needs?
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 05:22:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Scholars in Observation
Here's some old one liners that are just perfect for....
YOU KNOW YOU'RE A SCHOLAR WHEN....
1. You believe that no matter how crowded a gathering may be, there's room
for one "bore."
2. You can stay longer in an hour than most people do in a week.
3. When there's nothing more to say, you're still saying it.
4. You're very cultured -- you can bore others on every subject.
5. The hardest secret you've ever had to keep is your opinion of yourself.
I'll leave the rest for the imagination. ;-p
Dave - Artisan &.....uh, (sheepish grin)...Scholar...(running out of the
room to avoid flying projectiles) ;-p
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:37:00 -0700
Subject: Re: ETs and Yelm
A few comments on scanning through this message:
About ET's: John, the very intense energy can be karmic, rather than meeting
an ET. My ex-husband and I married after knowing each other only 3 weeks and
were married for more than 21 years -- no ET relationship there, just very
strong agreements and maybe something karmic. I've never asked about it, because
when it was time to move on, it was very clear to both of us.
About Yelm and the Ramtha thing: My older son moved to Yelm (almost 2 years
ago) from S.Cal with his wife, who grew up in the area. It's a very nice area to
raise children and a whole lot of wonderful reasons to be there besides the
tourists that come to hear Ramtha. btw: in one of our
channelings from Michael,
we heard that Ramtha is actually an infant soul king, with one life on Earth,
who not thinks he knows everything. Also, lots of karma being created with JZ
Knight and others who listen to the preachings.
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:47:52 -0400
Subject: Infant King Ramtha
Barbara Taylor wrote:
> btw: in one of our channelings from Michael, we heard that
> is actually an infant soul king, with one life on Earth, who not thinks
> he knows everything. Also, lots of karma being created with JZ Knight
> and others who listen to the preachings.
1) Dear Barbara, what does the typo "who not thinks" really mean?
2) I have a copy of Ramtha's white book. It is one of my most favored books.
How is it that Ramtha, an infant soul, could produce such a beautiful and wise
book? How is it that he retained so much of his original knowingness during his
one time on earth? He says he got it during extensive contemplation while
recovering from multiple battle wounds. I guess maybe a king would do that. I do
wonder how the other infant essence types would behave in such a prolonged
situation of enforced inactivity. What made Ramtha so different?
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:05:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Infant King Ramtha
In a message dated 97-09-28 13:50:46 EDT, firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
<< 1) Dear Barbara, what does the typo "who not
thinks" really mean?
2) I have a copy of Ramtha's white book. It is one of my most favored
books. How is it that Ramtha, an infant soul, could produce such a
beautiful and wise book? How is it that he retained so much of his
original knowingness during his one time on earth? He says he got it
during extensive contemplation while recovering from multiple battle
wounds. I guess maybe a king would do that. I do wonder how the other
infant essence types would behave in such a prolonged situation of
enforced inactivity. What made Ramtha so different?
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, Columbia, MD, USA >>
I assumed that Barbara had meant to type the word "now" instead of
"not." Also, I've never read any of the teachings of Ramtha (though
now my interest has been perked) but as to why an infant
King would convey a
vast degree of knowledge, it probably has to do with the amount of cycles he has
accumulated. Perhaps Ramtha has 20 gazillion cycles under his belt and the
category of infant soul now means nothing as a result, or perhaps he was just
raised on tongue sandwiches like the rest of us. ;-p
Dave - Have cycle will travel
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Infant King Ramtha
On 28 Sep 1997 Dave Gregg wrote:
> I assumed that Barbara had meant to type the word
"now" instead of "not."
> Also, I've never read any of the teachings of Ramtha (though now my
> has been perked) but as to why an infant King would convey a vast degree
> knowledge, it probably has to do with the amount of cycles he has
> accumulated. Perhaps Ramtha has 20 gazillion cycles under his belt and
> category of infant soul now means nothing as a result, or perhaps he was
> raised on tongue sandwiches like the rest of us. ;-p
> Dave - Have cycle will travel
I've read the "white book" of Ramtha, and also the "UFO's and
the Nature of Reality" book of Ramtha (actually I read that one first) and
I did like them a lot. *EXCEPT* that Ramtha, I noticed, puts guilt trips on
people. It's very subtle, but in his attempt to empower people, I felt some of
it was manipulation.
Ramtha claims to be an extraterrestrial from one of the Andromedan groups. He
said he had one lifetime on Earth, during Atlantean times, and that it was he
who "invented" war. It is hard for me to imagine, that during this
lifetime in which he wielded such power to lead millions into war, that he would
have been at an infant-soul level. The life he described seems to me to fit more
into the young-soul stage. Nevertheless, his being an extraterrestrial in a
human form that lifetime leads me to think there were other influences on him as
well. The Andromedans have quite a vast spiritual heirarchy and would have been
watching him with keen interest and their presence was probably the reason for
his sitting atop a large rock for 7 years contemplating life, becoming the wind,
and gaining such spiritual knowledge that he did.
Now, it's conceivable that he's completed his cycle of lifetimes as an
Andromedan and so I don't know what level he would have been coming from, but
probably at least old-soul level.
As far as who JZ Knight is channeling now:
Stephen Cocconi channeled Michael as saying that a few years ago Ramtha left JZ
because she was becoming too dependent on him and she was burning out from
channeling, and that no being/entity with the highest spiritual good at heart
for their channel(s) will destroy their channels in that way, so that is why
Ramtha left. In her desperation, Steve said, JZ was able to get a baby-soul
discarnate Warrior to channel through her, and he has been the one she's
actually channeling for the last 10 years or so, not Ramtha. This Warrior and JZ
are creating lots of karma.
I have no proof, but that is the news as I heard it, and I've not read any of
the Ramtha material that came after 1985 or so anyway....But what I did read I
liked, and found it useful to me at the time, even if just to show me where I
held a lot of guilt and shame (judgements).
So, for whatever it's worth!
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:59:45 +0000
Subject: Re: ETs and Yelm
> in one of our channelings from Michael, we heard that Ramtha is
actually an infant
> soul king, with one life on Earth, who not thinks he knows everything.
> Also, lots of karma being created with JZ Knight and others who listen
> to the preachings.
I have a hard time believing from what I've experienced that Ramtha is an
infant soul. Now, JZ is another matter..........
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:48:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Infant King Ramtha
Lori Tostado wrote:
> I've read the "white book" of Ramtha, and also the
"UFO's and the Nature
> of Reality" book of Ramtha (actually I read that one first) and I
> like them a lot. *EXCEPT* that Ramtha, I noticed, puts guilt trips on
> people. It's very subtle, but in his attempt to empower people, I felt
> some of it was manipulation.
This is interesting. In hindsight I recall from some Ramtha videos that what
you are saying about Ramtha being manipulative at times as being true. Or at
least he can be seen as having slid from King(Leadership) to Warrior(Coercion)
> Ramtha claims to be an extraterrestrial from one of the
> groups. He said he had one lifetime on Earth, during Atlantean times,
> and that it was he who "invented" war. It is hard for me to
> that during this lifetime in which he wielded such power to lead millions
> into war, that he would have been at an infant-soul level.
It's kinda difficult for me to even picture an "Infant King". It
seems like an oxymoron, like military intelligence, with greatest apologies to
> The life he described seems to me to fit more into the
> Nevertheless, his being an extraterrestrial in a human form that lifetime
> leads me to think there were other influences on him as well. The
> Andromedans have quite a vast spiritual heirarchy and would have been
> watching him with keen interest and their presence was probably the
> reason for his sitting atop a large rock for 7 years contemplating life,
> becoming the wind, and gaining such spiritual knowledge that he did.
> Now, it's conceivable that he's completed his cycle of lifetimes as an
> Andromedan and so I don't know what level he would have been coming from,
> but probably at least old-soul level.
Could be that anyone spending 7 years on a rock, without normal human
emotional strife, or having to be concerned about survival issues, could grow
from Infant to Old within a lifetime
This reminds me of an amusing (in retrospect) thing that happened several
years ago. I was playfully imitating Ramtha's foot-stomping, wide-kneed,
hands-on-knees, elbows-out, INDEED-speaking dialog for some friends. About a
minute into my impression, the energy around me changed, and I knew I had gone
too far into the imitation. I could feel this powerful energy around me, as
though something was saying "OK, you want to play, then here's the real
thing." It scared me a little bit, and I immediately stopped the imitation,
and never tried it again.
Now, right this moment, I just "got" the idea that I can, by
"imitating" an element of the scenario, enter any scenario that I
desire, at any level that I desire, in any time frame that I desire. Anything
conceivable can be manifested. This must be investigated. Happy little scholar
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, Columbia, MD, USA
aka I.A.M. Research
7th Level Old Scholar, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
Emotional Part of Intellectual Center, Impatience. INFP.
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:22:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re Ramtha
Here's my take on JZ and Ramtha....
First, the channel who called Ramtha an infant king, however it was, should
be spanked. I doubt that any infant soul has ever been much of a king of
anything, and the channel should have been less sloppy and prejudicial.
The entity Ramtha has been described by many people I've spoken with as
having an incredible loving energy. His love is the glue that holds that group
together. Whether the same entity is still coming through JZ or not, the glue is
still there. JZ personally isn't the glue, it's whoever comes through.
Now JZ has an interesting biography (it's a great read!) -- she was one of 8
or 9 kids in a poor-white-trash sharecropper family in Texas with a truly heroic
mother. JZ was raped by her uncle when she was four. In all of her later history
she seems to be a middle or late young soul with a lot of intelligence and
energy but an absence of older soul traits. I certainly wouldn't rule out that
she's an older soul, though, and I never have met her.
The substance of what Ramtha has channeled over the years seems to be mostly
what JZ herself has read or picked up from other teachers. One way or another,
the intention lately has been to build up a "mystery school" there in
which the students have gotten deeply into everything esoteric and mystical
there is or ever was they can find. I think they are doing very well at this. I
don't find any fault with anything she or they are doing.
All the best, Ed
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:29:34 -0400
Subject: Re Ramtha
> Here's my take on JZ and Ramtha....
> First, the channel who called Ramtha an infant king, however it was,
> be spanked. I doubt that any infant soul has ever been much of a king of
> anything, and the channel should have been less sloppy and prejudicial.
No violence/spankings please.
> The entity Ramtha has been described by many people I've spoken
> having an incredible loving energy. His love is the glue that holds that
> group together. Whether the same entity is still coming through JZ or
> the glue is still there. JZ personally isn't the glue, it's whoever comes
This is the energy I felt coming from the White Book. I expect that by now,
due to her long exposure to it, the Ramtha love energy has become an integral
part of JZ's being, regardless of who she may be channeling.
> One way or another, the intention lately has been to build up a
"mystery school" there
> in which the students have gotten deeply into everything esoteric and
> mystical there is or ever was they can find. I think they are doing very
> well at this. I don't find any fault with anything she or they are doing.
Bien Dicho, well said, and thanks for sharing this, Ed. It seems as though
they are doing the same things that I and many others have, and are still,
doing. IMHO, if the teaching is valid, then the age or level of the teacher is
Peace and Light to You and Yours, Kenneth Broom, Columbia, MD, USA
aka I.A.M. Research
INFP, 7th Level Old Scholar, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
Emotional Part of Intellectual Center, Impatience.