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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Hello! I'm new to the list, and happy to be aboard. I'm going to try to look at the archives.
Kenneth, I have almost the same profile, except I'm a sage with sage e.t. and have a lunar/martial/venusian body type. BTW, what does INFP mean (I'm still learning all the abbreviations). I saw a couple Ramtha videos years ago--that was my only exposure to him (or JZ Knight). I liked about 90% of it, and 10% of it really bothered me. I didn't like his authoritarian style, either, although it may be good for people just starting out on their path who need spiritual parenting before they can come into their own power, or who need to be kicked in the pants before they'll open up (tough love, as it were). Here is what I channeled, transcribed from a tape, for a client who had been involved in the Ramtha group for many years and felt guilty about leaving:
"Your experience with Ramtha was designed to just open you up, to break through stuck patterns in your life, to help you to begin to feel a relationship with the larger universe. Our impression is that you did not have a specific agreement with Ramtha, but that your essence simply used whoever was available, and we think that by the time the channeling began to be distorted more blatantly, this group had already served its purpose in your development.
*I was not aware of the rape JZ endured at age four that Ed mentioned. Shepherd Hoodwin Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:44:37 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-29 14:46:28 EDT, Shepherd writes:
Hey Shepherd! :-) Glad to see you got your boarding pass on the Michael luxury train of indefinite verbiage. I believe you'll find this to be a fairly affable collection of personalities, from the scholars who stimulate our senses with the pungent emissions of academia, to the sages who constantly dislocate their shoulders describing the big fish that they caught. Of course, lets not forget the chemically deprived artisans, or the warriors or Kings who add occasional excitement by publicly licking moldy cottage cheese off the chubby thighs of geriatric souls with problem flatulence, or would that be the job of the servers? I don't know yet, but heck, that's why I'm on this list! BTW, did anyone tell you of the initiation rights for this list? No????? Ok, well I can't reveal the exact nature of the process, but to prepare I'd suggest you take a trip to Mexico, visit unpronounceable cities like Zxqcnxcxclqnxinzqnlnxn and perhaps partake in live human sacrifices. ;-p Anyhow, welcome aboard! :-) Dave - (author of "How to cook a Cat") when the hideous shrieks and pathetic scratching stops -- it's done. Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:59:30 -0400 Hello Shepherd! I'm Lorraine and I'm a rookie myself. Haven't gotten many words in edge wise, but then again, I haven't had time. I only have access to a computer at work and when I arrived this morning, I had 49 messages!!!%^$$#$%$#amp;^*&^&(*(*&*& It takes a week (no, not really!!) to read them all, and by then, I've got 49 more!!!!! Oh well, I've written some lovely pieces in my head! Love and Light,Lorraine
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:17:53 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-29 14:46:28 EDT, Shepherd writes:
INFP is the categorical results and designation from either the Meyers-Briggs or Keisey personality tests. Unbelievably, I happen to be an INFP as well. This type of personality is an idealist in a smaller sub category sometimes called a healer or tutor. But I'm sure Ken will add the final word on this subject, so without further adieu, (pulling back curtain)...."ladies and gentlemen, introducing...Mr.Ken Broome" :-) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:40:12 +0000 Dave Gregg wrote:
If you're curious, there are several sites to take the test from Keirsey's book _Please Understand Me_ (oh, how I detest that title!) that will generate your typology along with a general description of your temperament. Try "www.keirsey.com". Like the Michael system, it's a cool tool for understanding people across fairly specific dimensions. Welcome Shepherd! Dean Subject: Re: The "real" Michael? (1997-37/536) | From: Diane L. Smith Diane, your words are indeed meaningful. When I first read this, I decided to keep it (I use the archive as a BBS rather than getting all posts via email). But it took several days of background pondering for me to realize the wisdom of your observation. I've always liked reading the actual quotes from Michael; for me that is one of the endearing qualities of the original Yarbro books. The newer books have more recent and up-to-date information, but their use of direct quotes is sparse by comparison. I agree - the actual quotes have a certain ring, feeling, and sense to them. I was present recently when someone who has Intellectual as their 3rd centering was heard to say that books are effectively passé. My feeling is - possibly in the future, but fortunately not just yet. Regards, Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:48:51 -0400
[clipped] > > Kenneth Broom, Columbia, MD, USA Dear Shepherd, Welcome to the Michael Teachings List. The INFP is a shorthand for my "Myers-Briggs Type Indicator" preferences. Below please find a very brief summary of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator preferences. It has been fully validated, and is used by many psychologists and Organization Development consultants. There a few websites on the internet that go into the Myers-Briggs stuff in greater detail. Do a search on "Myers-Briggs" and on "Keirsey Bates"
Personal Interest Flow: Extraversion or Intraversion
So INFP means Introvert - iNtuitive - Feeling - Perception Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:59:46 +0000
ROTFL. That is pretty comical in retrospect. I guess I was so awed by the energy at the workshops that I hadn't noticed the extreme mannerisms so much. SO BE IT!
Maybe instead of stopping you should have opened yourself to the energy. I probably would've been scared too, though. I can see Ramtha laughing while a puddle of urine forms around my feet.
If you decide to go with this, please let us know what you discover. John Rogers Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:29:22 -0600 Of all the disgusting things you slobbered all over the Michael List in your welcome to Shepherd, which of course you merely used as a forum for your own narcissistic belchings and pukings, you definitively crossed the line with your mention of how to cook cats. When the shrieks are over, and the pathetic scratchings too, huh? No, YOU'RE done. You've gone too far this time, Dave. Were you waiting for someone to help you with boundaries? I'll give you a few. I work closely with the Humane Society of Boulder and on an almost daily basis witness the suffering of many animals, cats included. These animals are suffering because people like yourself so easily fall into objectifying and devaluing that which they have easy power over. References intended to be humorous around the issues of power over, and which often involve helpless animals (not to mention certain "classes" of humans) I believe only help to validate and affirm behaviors that lead to the cruel treatment of those weaker than ourselves. I can't buy into the "oh, it's all in fun" mentality. It hurts too much. I've spent a great deal of my own personal energy, and know personally of many who are working to save mistreated animals. I will never acknowledge humor in such jokes. For myself, the workers of the Society, and the cats that find their way there, it does not exist. Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:34:41 -0400 John Rogers wrote: [clipped]
per Kenneth: I now know one more big thing, and that is "The longer we are attuned to, or even think about, higher beings, and/or higher realities, the stronger and higher our own conscious connection to our own higher beingness." It's like pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. The higher you try to reach, the higher you can reach. How does this connect with my Ramtha imitation? In doing the imitation I unknowingly connected to his essence while trying to imitate his actions. I could feel his presence, and now I can entirely understand how his energies could burn out a body. This also had a stepping-up effect on my own abilities and sensibilities. Being a scholar gives a fragment the ability to do or be whatever is needed in order to attain a specific goal, especially if that goal is more knowledge and more research and more experience. My essence attuned me to Ramtha and thus he was there with me. This is the basis for my statement in a previous posting on Sunday
September 28th: Words can't do this stuff justice. So, nuff said for the nonce. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:16:06 -0400 Ed wrote:
Amen, Ed. I totally agree with your take on reality. <G>
Yes, I agree with this totally, too. A saying of mine (from my guides originally) for many decades has been the old aphorism, "It isn't the answers that matter so much as the questions." Questions keep you alive, glowing, moving. (A big plus for those of us in Growth, John. <G> ) Kate Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:41:37 -0400 Barbara Taylor wrote:
Another point on determining essence twin status, Kay Kamala and I worked together to try and channel if my second husband was my ET or not. I felt pretty strongly he was because I had purposely summoned my "soul twin" to me using some strong spiritual techniques. Recently I had a reading with Emily Baumbach, sending her a picture of my supposed ET. She said something interesting. She wasn't getting 100% whether he was or was not my ET because she (channeling Michael) said the summoning put him in the position of "acting like an ET." The confusion in figuring out if he was my ET was in being sure about his Role. He was originally read to be a Scholar, but on recently thinking it over, I realized that he was more likely a Priest-Artisan, and Emily, channeling Michael and of her own judgment, agreed. I agree that there can be some very intense marriage monads that don't involve ET's. I think, though, that if in *your* gut, John, you sense your wife is your ET, then I would trust that perception. Michael said in my recent reading, and always says, that self-validation is the key. :) Kate Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:50:40 -0400 John Rogers wrote:
It would be interesting to figure out your wife's overleaves then do a *non-channeled* relationship reading comparing your two charts. Just as you don't need to channel to read an astrology or numerology chart, once you have the overleaves (which you do *not* need to channel to figure out, if you do it on your own or with someone who knows how to question you properly, e.g. the Personality Puzzle quiz), you can make interesting fairly logical, left-brained statements about how these two charts will interact. Maybe you could be our guinea pig for that, you've been so great so far. <G> Your response to my interpretations of your situation based on your overleaves (a fun experiment, which seems to have yielded some useful information) has been very helpful. :) Do you have Personality Puzzle among your collection of Michael books? Kate Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:55:32 -0400 Dave Gregg wrote:
Wow, that sounds like a neat lifestyle! :)
Are you artistic in the sense of painting and drawing? What about writing? A lot of musicians seem to be gifted mathematically, too. :) Kate Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:49:14 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-29 23:23:39 EDT, Gloria writes:
Dear Gloria :-) I must say that I admire your passion. You sound like a very kind and compassionate person, and your dedication to putting an end to the horrible cruelties that are daily inflicted on our animal friends is quite commendable. I apparently have triggered many unpleasant feelings regarding the abuse of our feline pals, and I'm sorry you feel so much pain from what seems like a wide spread epidemic of mistreatment all across the country. Indeed, it IS a terrible injustice to creatures who essentially teach (so called humanity) one of the most valuable lessons there is to learn -- unconditional love. You'll be no doubt be surprised to learn that I used to live with a cat myself. Thomas T. (pardon my painful lack of originality) was a beautiful feline who possessed a sense of dignity that I have rarely encountered in even most humans. Though, I was often puzzled by his avid interest in the myth that cats have 9 lives. In fact, he frequently tested this theory, much to my horror, by walking repeatedly into the electric fan. However, I never questioned his higher motives and only assumed he was on a loftier plane than the rest of us mere mortals. ;-p Seriously, he was a wonderful animal that added immeasurable joy to my life, even though I loved to tease him unmercifully. These days I live with a terminally hyperactive poodle named Teddy. I am convinced that she is my TASK COMPANION. ;-p You see, getting out of bed in the morning has traditionally been a task that required the kind of heroic determination I have always lacked. But fear no more, every morning like clockwork, a blur of brown fur comes dashing into my room at a million times the speed of light, and lands squarely on my chest with the collective force of a thousand neutron bombs. But it doesn't end there. As I fall out of bed and literally crawl the 10 feet to the bathroom, laboriously inching toward my destination in order to promote one of my greatest achievements in life -- REGULARITY, this fiendish little fur-ball is tenaciously clinging to my head like one of those face huggers from a sci-fi movie, and methodically drooling generous supplies of doggy saliva deep into the inner labyrinth of my ear. Now I could always get a less demanding pet, like a tarantula or a rattlesnake, but I want you to know, I wouldn't trade my Teddy for the world. Gloria, I don't fault you for tossing a pebble into my supposedly narcissistic pond in order to publicly denounce me, but I must tell you that after the ripples cease, my reflection will re-emerge, and I like the person I see. Now I suppose that elements of my humor must be seen to be "depreciated" at times, but I can't change what the universe created, and I learned long ago that just because I fell out of step with the rest of the band, didn't mean that the inherent rhythm of my strides were any less important, just different. On a positive note, perhaps your reaction to my odd comments unleashed the life purpose you have been searching to find. Seriously, with your writing talents and obviously excellent communication skills, you could be a champion of leadership to assist in the prevention of cruelty to animals. Best of wishes to you, P.S. - And now back to "Michael." Hey Shep, what are Michael's views of 24 hours in a day/24 beers in a case -- mere coincidence? ;-p Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:33:40 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-30 02:47:44 EDT, Kate McMurry writes:
No, 2+2 has always equaled 5 for me. Differential equations and the like don't hold much future in my life, but differentially logical, now there's a striking path. ;-p In terms of writing, I'd like to write poetry. Dave Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:56:05 -0600 I was having some pretty bad abdominal pains and so was somewhat outside of myself when I posted that tongue lashing. The chief financial officer of our company, whose office is next to mine, hates cats and daily talks about how he tortures strays and any neighbor's cats that come into his yard. He laughs and shrieks as he tells his stories, absolutely believing that everyone is enjoying them as much as he is. He talks about what he did to them as a kid. He's even brought to work a small noose which he claims he will use for hanging them. I've told him I don't want to hear his jokes and shut my door, but it doesn't much deter him. He's also a major asshole with respect to performing his duties, and understanding the mechanisms of keeping a company public. I've had to cover his ass for the sake of this company, and I'm currently wiping the ceo's stinking butt because he got himself into an embarrassing and difficult situation. No, I'm not volunteering for this. These particular tasks fall under my jurisdiction. (The Butt-Wiper, I guess. The Fixer. The Mediator. The One who better get with the Solution for their Fuck-Ups.) By the way, there is no lack of disrespect, courtesy and consideration at this place. This company, under the leadership of Fear and Greed, is rapidly consuming itself. It's no excuse, Dave. No excuse. I was up all night with these terrible pains and the knowledge that I was totally out of line writing that response, wondering what in hell came over me. This doesn't help, but it wasn't about you. All my sensitivities and agonies are worn these days on my face, my sleeve, too apparent to anyone who really looks. They got triggered, and now I feel as though I've irreparably damaged you. Just this Saturday I was told my father, to whom I have not spoken for nearly three years, (who made my childhood hell) could be dying, could be dead. They didn't know. At the time he was being flown in a medical helicopter to a hospital with the facilities to diagnose his condition and operate if necessary. I was caught then. He had written to me a month earlier, begging me to break my silence and asking my forgiveness for all the terrible things he had done to me. I hadn't yet been able to bring myself to respond, to deal with the whole of it and all the implications and agony of re-establishing contact with him. Very early Sunday morning I learned he was out of danger. I have not yet contacted him. These experiences (and others) have drained me at all levels. I have to leave, and it needs to be soon. I am faced with leaping off the cliff. And it is a cliff because I have no cushion for a soft landing. This will be a test of belief systems about the Universe that Provides (or doesn't) and about messages that deliberately re-direct one to their proper and happy place. My posting that response indicates to me that I am operating at emotional and psychological extremes these days. I see I've reached a limit of what I can handle in real life, and I plastered those limitations like graffiti on the List, and you were the wall I used to write on. I ask your Forgiveness. Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Ah, you guys gotta read this one...I heard it the first time last year when I got to participate in doing this exercise with a group...it was wonderful. :^) It is a valuable way to heal many wounds.... Thanks to Dave for forwarding this. Lori Tostado
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We have both done the Meyers-Briggs thing (me - INTJ, her - ENTJ), and astrologically, on a simplistic level we are compatible (me - Capricorn, her - Taurus). I have not hit her with Michael yet, though. Guess now is a good a time as any.
Oink!
No, but is this the same information that is posted on a couple of Michael web sites? Lori's and Barbara's come immediately to mind. John Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:07:30 +0200 Hi Dave and all, I'm glad you and Gloria have come to an understanding, Dave .Katherine Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997
15:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Gloria: I have been lurking for quite
a while scimming through batches of Let me say, my loving thoughts are with you. I will write again soon. Blessed Be. Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Gloria, there is no need to apologize. It was obvious from your anger that my poor "attempt" at humor wasn't the sole catalyst of the pain you were harboring. Sometimes to comprehend a nectar requires sorest need. Thus, perhaps, I was a necessary trigger that finally allowed you to vent innumerable frustrations that painfully cried out for expression. In any event, I am not offended or even insulted by your words, and I will continue to believe that you are an exceptionally compassionate person, who is just in need of some love and understanding. Take care, and I wish you well. :-) Your friend, Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:22:14 -0400 (EDT) << And now back to "Michael."
Hey Shep, what are Michael's views of 24 I'm glad you asked that. Michael has spoken extensively on this subject. It is no mere coincidence; au contraire, but this phenomenon did not occur in the way one might think. It turns out that the 24-hour day was modeled AFTER the 24-beer case, not the other way around. This was done in order to help bring balance and harmony into this planetary experiment. It should be mentioned here that originally, beers came only in dark glass bottles and were much larger. Also, they had no artificial flavorings or preservatives. Michael explained that if we had a 25-hour day but a 24-beer case, earth's energies would be out of synch, and we would be prone to terrible problems such as pollution, war, and poverty....Wait a minute....I'll have to get back to you on this. Shepherd P.S. Dave, when you mentioned that you felt yourself maybe pulling away from music, I saw you painting a large canvas--for what it's worth. Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:44:34 PDT Namaste friends! My name is Jasmine Zidaric; my spiritual name is Solara Ramana Ishtar Im*a. I live and work in Montreal, Canada. I have been reading you for a while, without making a sound.......so to speak......... and found some of your exchanges most interesting. Thank you all.......! I am just a beginner in my explorations of the Michael material. If I can overcome my instinctive disinclination to cultivating intellectual evaluation and judgment rather than strengthening my connection with the intuitive wisdom of the I AM Presence within..... I will be able to progress more rapidly. I have difficulty in utilizing the process of categorization toward the goal of enhanced seeing of Oneness in all.......! However......... shall work on it...........! I wrote this short text on fear....... and even though you have not been discussing this particular topic...... a part of me would like to share it with you in the hope that it may serve you in some way...... I wish you all much light and love along the path of Greater Life! Jasmine
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Following is a quote from CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD by Neale Donald Walsch: * "Fear is the energy which contracts, closes down, draws in, runs,
hides, hoards, harms. Fear wraps our bodies in clothing, love allows us to stand naked. Fear clings to and clutches all that we have, love gives all that we have away. Fear holds close, love holds dear. Fear grasps, love lets go. Fear rankles, love soothes. Fear attacks, love amends. Every human thought, word, or deed is based in one emotion or the other. You have no choice about this, because there is nothing else from which to choose. But you have free choice about which of these to select." * * * * May all your creations In joy Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:31:51 -0700 Dear fellow list members, I have felt a tearing in my heart as I read some of the discussions, I've felt their pain, and that of others, and my own, and it reminds me of something that I've thought about for a long time, a question....One that Kate addressed a while back when she said, "The road to hell is paved by good intentions," which makes me wonder.... A class I took had us always looking at what the results were, but never really addressed the intentions.... What are good intentions really worth if they can't be communicated as such to another? It takes a great amount of consciousness and perception into the human condition to be able to see where people have good intentions behind their actions which can seem perplexing and odd, if not downright malicious, to others. This is one of the ways in which essence learns its lessons. This is the major way in which karma is created--through the results of good intentions. You can't get the lesson until you've been on both sides, knowing how it really FEELS. Getting the emotional lesson is what it's about. Through our unconscious limiting beliefs, we create much of our daily existence. These beliefs are based in the instinctive center, the core of where all past/present/future lifetimes are stored. This is where the ego stems from, the ego whose good intention is to protect the personality's survival. The instinctive center, which resides mainly in the first chakra, is a place where our subconscious stores our Shadow, that part of us we tend to think is not us because it's either bad or icky or in some other way dreaded and denied. The ego is a very simple being: it says, "If it hurts, don't do it again!" Voila: a wall is built for protection. Pretty soon, after many lifetimes of experience, there are so many walls, holding back the parts of us that could get hurt, that we begin to suffocate. Our bodies tell us so--with diseases and pain. The ego was just doing its job--and under its good intentions, it kills the very thing it was trying to protect! You can't blame the ego--this isn't about blame. Getting conscious of our limiting beliefs that hold us back is a major major point in getting the lesson. When our buttons get pushed, that is an opportunity to consciously look at why we're having an emotional reaction to something. Patterns that repeat themselves in our lives that lead to pain are indicators of where we haven't integrated part of our shadows into ourselves. "If you do what you've always done, you're going to get what you've always gotten," is another message that comes to mind for me now. Using emotions as indicators to see where we are at can be very healthy in the journey of integrating the shadow and accepting all parts of ourselves, even the fearful parts that have been holed up ever since the ego built that first wall. These emotional parts often do not have words--they are not intellectual and we don't always understand them, they are often very irrational. And that is just the way they are meant to be. Allowing these emotions to flow instead of fearing them and judging yourself for having them is a lesson in letting go. People are so full of emotions that have not run their course, that are dammed up inside, that they have no room to see what's behind the actions of others that they don't understand. There is so much pent-up anger and pain in this world these days, it's almost like it takes soemthing of magnanomous proportions to give people the "permission" within themselves to express their frustrations, and they just explode.... Once you start working on your own core issues, you can never turn back--your shadow will appear to you everywhere you look, looming ever larger and more ominous the more it is denied or ignored. Taking responsibility for that shadow--that part of you that you dread, integrating it and loving it as a part of yourself no matter how terrible it may seem, gives you one tremendous opportunity! To Choose Again. How is that for power? Make a new choice--do something different than you've always done, forgive yourself and others--and then, something different is going to happen. Count on it. Pretty soon you'll be seeing the issues behind other people's behavior that have really nothing to do with YOU, but you may be a trigger for their process. Then, you get to do lots of major Discrimination: what's mine, and what's somebody else's stuff. Now there is another huge task: just as you've gotten conscious of your own stuff, now you get to figure out what's other people's stuff being projected onto you, or what it is you've taken upon yourself the responsibility for this other person's stuff. Keep in mind this quote though, "It's never about the other person." (Except when it is.) ;-) Most likely, most of the time, it is your stuff too. Don't let this get you back into the blame game. Just take responsibility for what's yours, be clear in where your boundaries and act within your integrity. Does it mean that from then on all your good intentions will get you the results you're after? Well, that's the risk inherent! It takes a lot of courage to be willing to recognize where our egos have put up walls and take responsibility and accountability for our actions based on the fears that hold us back. It takes risk to love....even to love yourself enough to be vulnerable, to allow yourself to take a chance that just perhaps, love is the answer and the truth will set you free.....To allow yourself to be all the divinity that you truly are inside, to shine.....to fly..... Do we always share the gifts we have within us? Why not? I feel closer to my destination, whatever it really is, whatever my life-task is (I am not sure yet what it really is), when I share with others who I am inside. It is very healing for me; for the good intent that I have inside to share, when it reaches the right people, creates results I never would have imagined. (Occasionally it backfires on me, but life goes on. It hurts too much to NOT be myself, despite what my ego might tell me.) What I would like to share more of, a gift that Michael showed me, is a kind of energy/healing work that I do. To me, the Michael teachings have been about spiritual growth and healing of the spirit--and in the channeling that I have done, this is exactly what Michael has shown me to do--I can assist others in accellerating their spiritual growth and healing through this energy work I call the diamond integration--it is not an intellectual process like most of the teachings. I'm hoping that at the Michael conference in November, that we can do some kind of spiritual healing circle, or something along that line. IMHO this is what Michael really wants us to get together for--to be with our soul-family and collectively help each other with the lessons of life, which are really more emotional and less intellectual. We get plenty of the intellectual stuff through books, sessions, the 'net, etc. Whew, should I have issued a "long post warning?" Heh, too late! ;-) Love, Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:39:44 -0700 To both of you: thank you! For being honest, sincere and understanding of each other. Barbara Taylor Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:38:42 -0700 John, The topic of physical signs of overleaves is a very complex one, not really explained in that book or any of the others. I took an advanced class with Jose where we spent a week learning how to "read" the physical signs of overleaves. Barbara Taylor Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:56:42 -0400 (EDT) I was reading about certain commonalities that exist in specific entity groups. In fact it's been discussed that some entities have an abrasive and aggressive quality, while others favor more gentle qualities in their overall characteristics. Of course, I'm now curious if anyone has compiled any information that might detail the general qualities of the more popular entities. I have not absorbed much information concerning cadres and entities yet, but was told by one channeler that I was from the 5th entity. Unfortunately, I don't know which cadre this is from. Dave - probably just the 5th peanut in a Snickers bar. Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:32:56 -0400 (EDT) In the long run, does it even matter to which entity, cadre, etc. one belongs? This material is new to me, and while I enjoy reading about the overleaves to gain insight into my personal relationships, the significance of the castings seems only to be divisive. Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997
20:23:52 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-01 19:35:35 EDT, RAVINAMK writes: << In the long run, does it even matter to which entity, cadre, etc. one belongs? This material is new to me, and while I enjoy reading about the overleaves to gain insight into my personal relationships, the significance of the castings seems only to be devisive. >> Does it matter in terms of how I think of myself, or who I associate with? No...My interest is merely out of curiosity.
Dave Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:27:40 -0700 Hi Jasmine, Dave and everyone, In response to some of the comments at the beginning of Jasmine's post, and then again mentioned regarding the difference in entities...I think that it's a common feeling to believe that seeing our uniqueness somehow takes away from our oneness. Our body is one, yet it has many types of cells which make it up and build to create its strength and versatility. Noticing the differences is discernment, not judgement. It's saying there are differences between skin cells and stomach cells, not that one is better or more important. Which would you do without? All are needed and valuable, different yet part of the whole. Appreciating, honoring our unique differences as well as how they come together in oneness perhaps encourages the freedom for us to truly be ourselves. To be in professions that use our unique gifts and talents in ways that make use of who we are in ways that suit us and add to the benefit of everyone--is hopefully the kind of fullfillment we are moving towards. Regarding the entities.... I am fascinated by this information. Meeting with at least one member of my entity in person clearly showed me that some of the traits I had been wrestling with as long as I could remember were not just _me_ but ran deeper than this particular personality or current life or person. Learning that gentleness or abrasiveness runs in your entity is another bit of information that can help in being more accepting and understanding of ourselves. For me, all the information I've discovered along those lines has only been freeing. It has also brought me in contact with people I feel a lot in common with, which has been a great pleasure. I would enjoying hearing more about the natures of entities. Not in any way with intent to divide, just to appreciate and free ourselves to be ourselves. Best to all, Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:14:15 -0400 Barbara Taylor wrote:
Do you mean by "physical signs" body language? Has Jose done a tape or tapes of that information? Kate Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:56:50 -0700 Hi everyone, I just wrote a note of clarification to Ravi which I'll share here....I've been touched by so many of the recent sharings and exchanges. Perhaps especially by our attempts to share, our misunderstandings, our efforts to reach out through computer words and share warmth, concepts, play, and companionship. It's a challenge for our humanness, our hopes, our vulnerability, our wisdom to clearly come across on a two dimensional screen, but so much richness comes from our sharing here. Perhaps as we continue, we can come to a deeper understanding here, that harm is rarely intended. Sometimes things may come out awkwardly...if we were simply conversing someone could just ask what was meant and that would be that. Appreciation to everyone for their sharings and all our efforts to share, Best to everyone, Brin
Dear Ravi, ( is this right?)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:23:27 -0700
Kate, Barbara Taylor Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997
09:28:03 -0700 The experienced channels can recognize the various entities. Each entity has a common theme and common similarities. It's part of what they agree to do as a group. If you get a bunch of folks in the same entity together, they will usually discover common threads. Entity designation or any other Michael information is only meant to learn to accept ourselves and to accept others. Barbara Taylor Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:53:34 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-02 12:35:23 EDT, Barbara Taylor writes:
Well, what are the common threads? Surely someone has done some research on this out of just a mild case of curiosity. Dave - really just wants to point and laugh at the other entities' idiosyncrasies. ;-p Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:13:01 -0700 Emily Baumbach has an excellent (IMHO) tape on Entities and Cadres. I found it very interesting and informative - as well as fun! The Entities do have common threads and she talks about them in depth (for instance, there is the service entity, the teddy bear entity, the Pee Wee Herman entity, etc.) I, for one, generally feel very at ease with Entity mates when I meet them. We seem to have similar outlooks. And then there are celebrities whom I've always felt a resonance with and it often turns out that we are either Entity mates or are in the same Entity number, different Cadres (in my case it's the 7th Entity, and some of my Entity buds are Ellen DeGeneres, Melissa Etheridge, kd lang & Julia Roberts.) -Janet Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:21:18 -0400 (EDT)
There's a short subchapter "How Roles Appear Physically and Energetically" on page 119 of my book "The Journey of Your Soul--A Channel Explores Channeling and the Michael Teachings." There are also a few comments about how other overleaves look elsewhere in the book. Jose, I understand, has a marvelous slide show illustrating the overleaves. I'm sure he has much more information than I do about that, and maybe someday he'll put it into an expanded version of the "Personality Puzzle" or elsewhere. I find that physical cues aren't foolproof but can aid validation. Best, Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:26:32 -0400 Janet wrote: And then there are celebrities whom I've
always felt a resonance with and it What is the significance of "7th Entity"? Also, speaking of the celebrities you resonate with, are they often in your dreams? There are celebrities that feel close to and dream of them over and over again in different scenarios. It's always the same 3 or 4. Love and Light, Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:16:22 -0400 (EDT)
Dear Goddess Ah, and what feasts of imagination those scenarios must be. ;-p BTW, have your dreams been rated PG-13, or something slightly higher? Not that I'm probing, mind you, but you see, this bored Artisan has all this clay and doesn't know what to sculpt. Dave - Life is just a bed of "ruses." ;-p (author of "101 Ways to Love Your Cat So Much It Says "ENOUGH ALREADY!") Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:37:21 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-03 04:28:57 EDT, Janet Botto writes:
Oh, if there is a God, please don't put me in the Pee Wee Herman entity. ;-p Anyhow, does this mean that I have to purchase another book or tape in order to acquire this information? I just got back from Barnes & Noble with even more Michael books and it looks like I'll have to empty my wallet some more. Gee, I'm beginning to think that if you give Michael a free hand, he'll stick it in your pocket. ;-p Is there a Swiss bank account lurking among those 1050 fragments? Getting free information seems as easy as trying to catch a wet fish. ;-p OK, I'd like to announce that I've discovered the cure for the kennel cough. If you just purchase all my books and tapes, perhaps we can arrange a private consultation. Uh, in about 10 years, and only if you frequently push the button on my elevator shoes. ;-p Dave - A Pain in the Ass, and I don't even advocate bending over for the bar of soap. (author of "Spiritual Capitalism in the year 2000) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:00:57 -0400 Thought for Today:
"There are plenty of fools in the world; but if they had not been sent for some wise purpose, they wouldn't have been here; and since they are here they have as good a right to have elbow-room in the world as the wisest." Susan Edmonstone Ferrier, Scottish novelist (1782-1854).
-- Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:29:57 -0400 Dave wrote:
Dave, you old voyeur you!! As a matter of fact there have been a few dreams you could classify as "slightly higher". Let's see, it's always either Kevin Bacon, James Spader, or Keifer Sutherland. But you know, one dream I had involved K. Sutherland as my lover/soul mate. He was a criminal and had robbed a bank. We stood in front of this bank together. He had on a long duster coat and a rifle and cowboy boots. There was a pained and sad look on his face. I knew in my dream that he was about to be killed. I stood in front of him and hugged him and the feeling I came away with in that dream was incredible. It was if we were living out some bittersweet connectedness from another time. I'll never forget that feeling. Anyone else out there into dreams? I've been studying it for a while and truly believe our dreams are very powerful lessons, messages, plays from the past, etc. Anyway, Dave, hope this sparks a little motivation for ya'. I'll keep ya' posted on any dreams I think you might be interested in (amused by)!. Love to All, The Goddess (LL) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:28:49 +0000
Hmm, we could go back to a Ramthaism on this one. If you want the information bad enough you will figure out how to manifest enough money to get it. Or you could channel (or make up) your own material, and sell your own books and tapes and videos and readings and workshops and ... Start your own cult! JZ Knight has a really swank place by the way, and at least one Rolls Royce in addition to her many other vehicles. > OK, I'd like to announce that I've
discovered the cure for the kennel cough. How about a method for resurrecting kitties that have used all nine of their lives? (Only Dave can teach this one) You will need attend seven seven minute classes a month at seven p.m. for seven years, at the low low price of seven dollars per minute.
How about the powdered soap? And don't forget the hamsters! John Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:15:52 -0700 On Thu, 2 Oct 97, Lorraine wrote:
By "7th Entity" I mean that I am in the 7th Entity of Cadre 1 (or Cadre 3 in Shepherd's system.) The 7th Entity is known as the "service" Entity (though perhaps it should be known as the "Famous Lesbian" Entity!) and generally acts as a nice, friendly bridge to the next Cadre. Each Cadre has 7 Entities, each Entity has around 1000 essences - Michael is a reunited Entity. I forget what Michael's Entity number is in their Cadre, but I would think that it is 1st or 2nd. So, the gist is that, regardless of what Cadre they're in, each 1st Entity is the "trailblazing" Entity, each 5th is the "teddy Bear" Entity, each 7th is the "service" Entity, etc. Is there a Sage (Shepherd!) who can state this better than I can?
I don't dream about my celebrity Entity mates, but I do dream about my friends who are Entity mates (quite often). There are other celebrities that I dream about regularly who are not Entity mates, but with whom I believe I have some connection - past life, etc. There is one actress in particular (Kate Mulgrew), whose career I've followed from her very first TV job 20 years ago, with whom I've shared past lives. I resonated with her from the first moment I saw her - she felt like an old friend. It's only in the last several years that I've gained an understanding of why I feel I know her. Peace all, Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:56:10 -0400 (EDT)
This is news to me. First entities do tend to trailblaze, especially when they're also first in their cadre group (first of 84 entities). But I'd never heard the idea that, for example, every 7th entity is about service, although they do tend to provide links to other cadres. I'll have to think about members of 5th entities of other cadres I know and see if they look teddy-bearish. My father is in 4/5 (my system); I don't see him as teddy-bearish, but maybe others do. What do they say about second entities (I'm in a second entity)? Shepherd Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 15:30:02 -0700 On Sat, 4 Oct 97, Shepherd wrote:
Most of this information comes from Emily's tape and newsletters, I believe (possibly from JP as well? - I have a HORRIBLE memory :-/ ) I've re listened to Emily's tape, because it gives the most info (a lot of the celebrity info. on the tape was channeled by Joya Pope.) The 5th (Teddy Bear or Walt Disney) Entity includes people like Robin Williams, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Kenneth Branagh. They don't have to look teddy bearish, but are usually cuddly in some way. I also have a friend in the 5th who isn't "teddy bearish" - these are just some general characteristics and certainly not everyone fits into the same mold. "5's" tend to be about bringing fun into the space. As far as all Entities of the same number having the same "feel", yeah - in fact Michael said on that tape that when you are wanting to meet people with whom you're likely to feel a resonance, don't worry about whether or not you are "really" in the same Entity of the same Cadre, it's the Entity number that counts. They said that some Michael people may feel left out if they don't happen to come from the 1st or 2nd Cadre (like most Michael students do) - but that's really no big deal. We can feel a similarity to anyone from the same Entity number and that is what's important. The second Entity is the Entity that comes in after the pioneers have set things up in some area and then make it more fun, humanize it. They tend to be expressive, with a "Libra-like Artisan and Sage quality". They are entertainers, great party-goers, have good social skills. Some famous two's are Robert Redford, Madonna, Marilyn Monroe, Billy Crystal, Elizabeth Taylor, Werner Erhard (sp?), Dennis Rodman, Candice Bergen, Luciano Pavarotti, Diana Ross and Rajneesh. My husband Rob is also in the 2nd and he certainly has those characteristics. Hope that helps! Take care all, Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:01:21 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-04 18:31:50 EDT, Janet Botto writes:
Thanks, Janet. Finally someone provided more detailed information. Funny enough, I'm in the 5th entity, and I've been called a "Teddy-bear" all my life. ;-p This is very amusing. :-) Dave Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 05:06:41 -0400 For those who are interested: A interesting explanation of the Keirsey can be found at The Keirsey Temperament Web Site at http://keirsey.com/ --- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:02:45 +0000 Hallo! fellow Members of the Michael-teaching list!! My name is Jon Bjarni, I'm from Iceland and live there. I've been teaching
the Michael-teachings for some time and will start a new beginners class
oct.14. I've been a silent member for some time and I have to say that it is very refreshing to see differences solved vhith love and understanding instead of fear and competiveness (infuence from the Dragons/Chief Feature) I want to thank Ed Hamerstrom for very educative letters and you all for sharing your thoughts and opinion. Illusion af the old soul is that entity, cadre, spirit and those things matter the most. I think that it is our live here and now that matter most, spirit, soul and all that does of course matter a great deal, but it comes in second. Have any of any of you been working on your Dragon? How do you perform your work on them? What gives you the best results? I am planning to give an advanced class in in the Michael-teachings and emphasis on working the Dragon All the best and my love too! Jon Bjarni Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 09:59:32 -0700 Dave, Barbara Taylor Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997
14:21:32 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-05 13:05:45 EDT, Barbara Taylor writes:
Oh, Barbara...you crack me up. ;-p Dave Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 14:53:52 -0400 Jon Bjarni Bjarnason wrote: [clipped] > Have any of any of you been working on
your Dragon? How do you perform your Dear Jon, I have a chief feature/dragon of "Impatience". 1) My first work with impatience was to just be aware of when I was being impatient and especially when I was in the negative pole which is intolerance. 2) The second step is to try to stay in the positive pole which is audacity. 3) The third step is to give the gift of "Patience" to my loved ones and to the whole world. [clipped] -- Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:02:50 +0200 Hi Shepherd and Agape, Hello! I'm new to the list, and happy to be aboard. I'm going to try to look at the archives. Good to have your input - we thrive on your book out here in South Africa despite the difficulties of getting copies!!! Don't pity us in "darkest Africa" we are creating the light little by little!! Lots of love, Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Dave said
Dave, you sound just as delightfully quirky as most of my friends in the
Pee Wee entity, mostly scholars in this third entity of Whatever cadre it is
getting called these days. Kay Kamala is in it, a ton of San Fran people and
my lovely server husband. Joya Pope Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Thanks, Janet.
My understanding is that Joya compiled the celebrity entity lists in the 80s mostly from JP's channeling. I write in my book "The Journey of Your Soul" about how I tend to draw a lot of clients from number two entities of other cadres as well as my own; there is a resonance. However, I feel more soul connection with those who are actually in my own cadre/entity. I can see all number 5 entities, for example, sharing a "five-ness," but each entity also has its own "personality" based on its particular composition and goals. A 5 entity with lots of warriors will look different from a 5 entity with lots of artisans. Best, Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:23:48 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-05 18:52:35 EDT, Joya Pope writes: << Dave, you sound just as delightfully quirky as most of my friends in the Pee
Are you suggesting that I should jump ship and join the 3rd entity? Hmmmm...
It does seem that some of my 5th entity friends have become rather tiresome as
of late. I mean, give them an inch and they measure it. ;-p BTW, Joya. I always thought your name would be perfect for a TV talk show. I can hear the announcer: "Ladies and Gentlemen, Ms Joya Pope." ;-p Dave - Quirky Artisan who just ADORES cats! :)
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