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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:36:40 +0000 Kenneth wrote:
> I have a chief feature/dragon of "Impatience".
Thanks Kenneth for the tips I can use it in my Class. Does anyone else have similar to share?? I have the "Self-deprication" dragon and it really gets its claws into me when I have to use the telephone - then I really have to keep on and do my call - its hard but very rewarding when I get through it. Thanks again Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Hi Jon and welcome. :^) It's my opinion that the chief-features are one of the most important teachings that Michael has brought forth. They help show us where we still have fear-based patterns running our lives, and show us where our major life lessons are. I think that if we take the attitude of being thankful for our chief features for showing us what we need to work on, it keeps us from feeling so stoic about the chief-feature, as in, oh well--I'm just an impatient (or whatever) and leave it at that. We can choose to use them as indicators of our spiritual growth and look upon them more as challenges than hinderances, so they then do not have quite so much power over us.... Maybe they should be called "challenging features," instead of dragons or obstacles, so they don't have such the negative connotation. :^) Blessings, Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:43:18 -0400 POSITIVE SAYING OF THE DAY
The road to happiness lies in two simple principles: find what it is that interests you and that you can do well, and when you find it, put your whole soul into it -- every bit of energy and ambition and natural ability you have.
Do you suppose that good ol' John D. knew something that we don't? Mmm? -- Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:07:25 +0000 Thanks for the quote, Ken. I am giving a class to some high schoolers on Thursday that I will now open with this quote. John Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Ken writes:
<< 1) My first work with impatience was to just be aware of when I was
ROFLMMFAO! ;-p Ken, did you really want to say that you strive to promote your audacity?
This makes it sound like you have an approach like a dentist's drill to
combating the difficulties of your CF. ;-p Anyhow, thanks for the informative 3 step outline. I'll try to apply it to my CF of STUBBORNESS. :-) My name is Dave - No, it's not! - Yes it is - No, it's not! - Yes, it is!!! Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 06:33:55 -0400 Dave Gregg wrote:
> Ken writes:
Dave, what is "MMFAO"?
> Ken, did you really want to say that you strive to promote your audacity?
You'd better believe it. It's a hell of a lot better than the negpole of intolerance, and the ensuing frustration, that had me talking like a machine gun because I was "actually afraid" that I'd not ever be allowed to finish all that I had to say during a conversation. This is real important stuff for a scholar in observation who deeply needs to express all that collected knowledge. What was I intolerant of...? This was a real blow to my fragile little ego.
> This makes it sound like you have an approach like a dentist's drill to
For myself what I needed was to be self-confidence, and then to project that self-confidence. After that people started to listen to me without interruptions. And what I also needed was to be tolerant of the points of view of other people who experienced life differently than I did.
> I didn't think there really WAS a positive side to a CF, and that the only
Again, you'd better know it. The point was for me to "experience" and "be aware of" the various effects of impatience, from both poles, not only on me, but also on others. This was a major major lesson for me for about the first 40 years of my life. T'weren't funny McGee. I am not and never have been a competitive person, and to have to fight to get my words into a conversation was a living hell for me. This was especially so with my being a know-it-all scholar. There was also my own intolerance of other people's points of view which made them feel a need to cut me off, because I was an arrogant f--king know it all who was always right and everybody else was wrong.
> Actually, I didn't miss your last entry concerning the eventual installment
The emotional pain and discomfort that I experienced and caused others were not at all funny. This especially in light of my goal of acceptance that accepted other people's perceived values of me as being in someway true. I felt that there was something wrong with me.
> Anyhow, thanks for the informative 3 step outline. I'll try to apply it to my
You're completely welcome. Look at the past and present effects your stubbornness has had on your relationships with others and yourself, and "on" other people. Can you write a mini essay about your comprehensions of stubbornness yet? -- Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:15:55 -0700 Greetings! This is my maiden voyage on the list. Thanks everybody for the archive goodies I've been enjoying for the past hour -- there's some really good stuff -- and to Gloria_C for luring me here. Thanks, Dave and Lori for "A touching story":
> "The Eklunds called last night," he began.
It makes me think of a program I saw a few nights ago. National Geographic followed four American Vietnam vets on a Harley ride from Saigon to Hanoi. Maybe you saw this. The guys visited places where they'd been wounded 30 years before, where they'd felt the mortal terror of combat, where their buddies had been killed, where they'd killed and wounded others. They sang songs penned by friends who'd died in the fields there, gave the local folks Harley rides; accepted invitations into the villagers' homes, something they said didn't happen in the '60s on account of the fear and suspicion that pervaded the country then. It was like watching these guys visit a past lifetime while they were still in this one. They were able to reconnect with these intense karmic moments, find some peace with them, and help heal the land and people they had been at war with. One guy had helped spray the countryside from a plane with tree-killing chemicals in order to expose trails the Viet Cong was using. He remarked how strange it was now to return to this place he'd done that kind of thing to. Another of the guys kept remarking how beautiful the mountains were, and how 30 years before he'd just been too scared to notice. When they got to Hanoi, the government officials there threw them a big party, and everybody wanted and got a Harley ride. Good Old Warrior stuff. David Wolfersberger Most Exquisitely Frustrating Life Challenge: Creating a way to prosper doing work I love. Brightest Dream: To wear Hawaiian shirts and bring people together in beautiful places to make music and higher vibes. Wisdom for Today (forwarded): Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with. Wisdom for Tomorrow (forwarded): Don't sweat the petty things ... or pet the sweaty things. Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Hi Everyone - I'm sort of a lurker, I guess, I just never have the time to say much at any given time. But I'm beginning to think that the whole rest of the world is in the
Intellectual Center. I am basically (ha ha) Emotionally Centered , Moving Part - just introduced my Intellectual Part to the rest at age 35 or so when I began this "TREK." I never liked to read and in fact never read a whole book of my own free will until I was 35. An Astrology book. I was an only child and spent all my time outdoors "exploring", climbing trees, running, riding a bike etc, so I could see all the new places we traveled to. Spent a LOT OF TIME FEELING what I did. No time to read. Anyway what I'm getting at, for example, even tho My secondary CF is
impatience, I NEVER ever thought of using it in a verbal fashion. When I get
impatient I express it by MOVING , usually much to my regret. I get frustrated
when I'm looking for something in a hurry and end up pulling drawers out of the
cabinet. I slam doors. I HAVE (thank me) learned to control this obnoxious curse when I'm driving however,, ie. no accidents or anything because of it - but that's only because of several very near misses! I've not ever felt a need to verbally not stop - wellllllll maybe once - wellllll maybe twice but not regularly. LOVE & HUGS to all the family. <3 Pati* :-) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:51:18 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-07 07:01:34 EDT, Ken Broom writes:
<< Dave, what is "MMFAO"? >>
In a slightly censored version, it means: my mother f-word "ing" a-word off! ;-p
<< Can you write a mini essay about your comprehensions of stubbornness yet? >>
I don't know if I can write a mini essay about my CF of stubborness, but I have a lurid little drama about my exploration into the suffocating grip of self-deprecation. I don't know if this is interesting for the general public, so if you find the first paragraph exceedingly tedious, here's a bile smoothie to ease the pain. ;-p Mini Essay of "How I Spent my Summer Vacation with Self-Deprecation" ;-p I sometimes find myself staring pensively into the mirror of my soul, scrutinizing the ruins of my past, a graveyard of mortar and stone, robbed of life and color by centuries of continuous existence. It is dark now, and patiently, the fingers of the moon inventory the catacombs of my essence with the skill of an experienced curator. The soft, lunar light continues to unravel substance from shadow until finally, fully illuminated, stands a form. The man is fragile and weak, and pathetically dirty. It is known that when creatures of the night allow themselves to become this soiled, it is usually a sign that they have given up. The man is holding an instrument in his hands. Silently, he works the keys, sadly reminded of the music he had once shared with the world, melodic shadows now forsaken in the inner recesses of his mind. Trembling, he puts the saxophone to his lips and begins to serenade the evening air, a lugubrious nocturne that laments the loss of dreams; painful echos that sound like a child's laughter -- taunting, teasing, and cruel. Darkness completely envelops this landscape of ruin, and the last mournful note from the saxophone cries out into the night. All is silent in the landscape now, and whatever walks there, walks alone. Dave Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:54:19 +0000
> Darkness completely envelops this landscape of ruin, and the last mournful > note from the saxophone cries out into the night. All is silent in the > landscape now, and whatever walks there, walks alone.
Excuse me, everyone. I just need to go throw myself off this cliff now. See you next lifetime. Dean Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:40:29 -0400 Dean wrote:
> <tragically clipped in its prime>
Kenneth is R.O.T.F.L.H.A.O. -- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:33:00 -0400 (EDT) ROFLMMFAO! Come on, Ken. Loosen up man. Your jazz is so stiff, brother. You'll never play some bebop with dem honky assed harmonies. ;-p Dave - Be cool, man Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:17:24 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-07 22:56:38 EDT, Dean writes:
<<: Excuse me, everyone. I just need to go throw myself off this cliff
{Giving Dean a gentle, but well placed nudge from behind} ;-p "Goodbye, Dean! I hope you hit all the sharp rocks on your way down." (Sighing) "What a waste...and he would have made such a good bulldozer advocate." {Yelling down to the crocodiles swarming in the river below} "Hey fellows, human flesh is already quite salty, so becareful about any seasonings you might add!" Dave - Just another day in the life... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 05:46:37 -0400 Dave Gregg wrote: [clipped]
> Dave - Be cool, man
Yo, Dave. I'm hip to what you're tryna say, my man. I live in a reality where
every thought, word, and deed, whether abbreviated or not, is a command to the
the universe to "make it real". So calling any part of my Blessed
Beingness any kind of Maryland-Farmer-anything is out of my personal lexicon.
You dig, bro? Jus' pullin' your jive coat to a few happnins. So, much love to you, my brother. It's a beautiful world out there and in here, if we only have eyes to see it and ears to hear it. There's some pretty nice smelling roses too. The breeze feels good on the skin, and the water flows sweetly down the throat. I am truly blessed in all things...except...Hey, John Rogers, can I have one of your Bud Lights? <lots of laughter> TAO Bless us all. :>)# Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:35:50 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-08 05:47:44 EDT, Ken Broom writes:
<< You dig? It's all about LOVE. Ain't nothin else happnin. Plus bein' cool ain't all that hip anymore anyway. Love is what's really happnin. >>
Shhhhhhit...Ain't dat vhat I wuz sayin', man? ;-p Dave - Be cool, bro. ;-p Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Dave, Wow, beautiful.... I was there with you, man....
<< melodic shadows now forsaken in the inner recesses of his mind... >>
...reminds me of those places where you don't quite glimpse the figure that has just walked around the corner ... then a remembered conversation drifts by...
<< a lugubrious nocturne that laments the loss of dreams; painful echos that sound like a child's laughter -- taunting, teasing, and cruel. >>
...and though the words of the conversation are long forgotten, the impact of those memories etches its initials on your soul... Ravi Nam Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 06:46:43 -0400
INNOCENT IMMORTAL
-- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:42:21 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 10/7/97 4:30:30 AM, you wrote:
<< It's my opinion that the chief-features are one of the most important teachings that Michael has brought forth. They help show us where we still have fear-based patterns running our lives, and show us where our major life lessons are. I think that if we take the attitude of being thankful for our chief features for showing us what we need to work on, it keeps us from feeling so stoic about the chief-feature, as in, oh well--I'm just an impatient (or whatever) and leave it at that. We can choose to use them as indicators of our spiritual growth and look upon them more as challenges than hinderances, so they then do not have quite so much power over us.... Maybe they should be called "challenging features," instead of dragons or obstacles, so they don't have such the negative connotation. :^) >>
Lori, thanks hon, Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 07:16:27 -0400 Joya Pope wrote: [clipped]
> Bingo
per Kenneth:
> thanks hon,
Joya, I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland. Appending the word "Hon" after a statement was/is a affectionate feature of our Baltimorese way of speaking. It was even used with pleasant strangers. Your using "Hon" with Lori brought back a little feeling of nostalgia for the days when every kid was everybody's kid. An amusing aside: No grown man would "ever" call another grown man 'Hon'. Peace and Light to all us Hons, Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:03:15 EDT Dear Joya -- Great idea. I have the impression that "chief feature" was lifted as a term from Gurdjieffism, and they probably were awkwardly translating something in perhaps French. In any case, "chief feature" is an utterly stupid term that should have gone long ago. "Feature" is too vague and generalized, and a vague and generalized things aren't easily "chief". Michael's idea was to use some precision in describing their concepts. I like "challenge" because that is what it's about. The only problem with "challenge" is that people will often understand it to refer to a set of outer circumstances in life the person is living, rather than an internal psychological belief-system complex idea we have. Is there a simple and brief way to also incorporate the belief-system idea? All the best, Ed Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Kenneth, your poetry is truly inspiring. I would also like to share a poem I wrote a couple years ago, one that is really an ode to essence-twins and essence-mates, as I know them... :^) It's from my soon-to-be-dismantled home page, where I have a drawing that goes along with it.... Love, Lori
The Mirror of the Soul
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:30:09 -0400 (EDT)
> How about "Chief Challenge"?
I, too, have been thinking lately about a better term, and I like this, but I'm not sure about the alliteration in "chief challenge": the double ch sound feels awkward to say, and the "enge" is similar. How about "chief obstacle"? I think I'll move in that direction, although revising "Journey" to make that change would probably be too expensive. Thanks for the thought. Shepherd Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Hi ED! I like your thinking. Challenge IS what its about. BUT it's not a set of outer circumstances, rather it is an internal thing - So. What about "Inner Challenges" - or "Internal Challenges?" Just another 2 cents - LOVE TO ALL the FAMILY <3 Pati* :-) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Well .... I don't know about these renaming suggestions, yet....internal challenges sounds like something that may require the services of a gastroenterologist! another 2 cents worth Ravi Nam K Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:33:02 PDT Greetings everyone...... Greetings to Kenneth in particular....... I want to tell you how much I loved your post of yesterday...... the prose and the poetry............ Wonderfully uplifting! Thanks for sharing......... This whole seeming labyrinth of 'life-on-Earth' is but about that one thing....... isn't it........... about the One called Love....... Along the same lines, I wanted to share with you the result of a meditation experience I had yesterday. I was in meditation.......... seeking.......... and discovered that THAT which I sought......... was seeking me too....... Following are the thoughts of our union and communion........ Harmony ......I AM.... quiet..... peace ...... joy........ Love IS.... that is all.... Love IS.... that is all.... Love IS... that is all..... awaken.....Love is All.... Awaken... that is all... Love is you... Love IS... Love is you..... that is all... awaken.... and Be...... Awaken... and Be.... Awaken.... and Be....... Be yourSelf.... that is all... Be the Love..... that you ARE..... be youSelf..... Be Love..... All else.... release....give it over...... To ME...... Give it over.... to ME.... give it over to ME..... I AM fire....... I shall burn..... through all debris..... of fear..... through all debris...... of confusion...... through all debris...... of pain..... through your debris .... of pain and guilt...... I Am Love..... Love heals...... I Am Love..... I’ll heal you..... I Am Love...... don’t forget.... the time is here......the time is now...... You are Love.... be yourSelf....You are Love......Your are I..... we are ONE...... All is One...... I Am here...... I Am Now..... I AM All..... All there is..... I Am You...... You are I..... we are One...... We are Love...... Children of Light.... be Self...... Children of Love..... love, love.....Children of love.... love, love..... Children of love...love.. love...... Children of Love...... love.. love..... I Am Light..... I Am born...... I Am Light....... I Am born.....in your cells in your heart...... I AM here..... I Am now...... I am you..... that is All...... I Am you.... I AM love...... be yourSelf..... be I AM..... I AM YOU..... I AM I ...... One I AM..... Breathe deeply..... Feel me there....... in your heart..... I AM......be still.....hear me there..... hear me say..... I love you.......I DO...... I love you..... I DO.....I love you.... I DO...... I love you..... I DO...... Do not fear..... All is well...... Do not fear...... all is well..... Do not fear...... All is well..... Hear me..... Hear me...... Hear me..... May the music of your Truth reverberate throughout your being...... Love to all, Jasmine Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:30:08 -0700 Ravi Nam wrote:
> Well .... I don't know about these renaming suggestions, yet....internal
Ravi--you are just TOO funny, girl! :^D Love, Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:15:13 -0400 (EDT) I thought about Chief Challenge for a bit as being an even better phrase, but then landed back enamoured with challenging features. Chief challenge makes me feel I should be hearing about the worst karma I've chewed off, not my little ol' blind spot....... impatience. Like Ken, I love being a little audacious, sometimes a lot audacious. My husband enjoys it too except for the times it makes him cringe because of some line I supposedly insensitively stepped over. ;-) Joya Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:40:19 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-11 01:19:23 EDT, Joya Pope writes:
<< Like Ken, I love being a little audacious, sometimes a lot audacious. My husband enjoys it too except for the times it makes him cringe because of some line I supposedly insensitively stepped over. ;-) Joya >>
Oh, my Lord. You should never step over a man's line. That's not only a severe deflation to their precious ego, but it may bring back all those humiliating memories from the shower room in gym class. But worst yet, never talk about a man's line while holding a pair of tweezers in your hand. JUST DON'T DO IT! ;-P Thought for the day: Never go to bed with a woman that likes to whittle in bed. Dave Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:24:15 -0400 Lori Tostado wrote:
> The Mirror of the Soul
You know, Lori, every now and then I thank GOD just for its being. I hereby thank "You" for "Your" wonderful being. Your starting the Michael Teaching List has been a very deep and expansive blessing in my life, and an integral part of my own "Life Path". TAO Bless you very much. <smile> and <lump in throat>. I love you too. You know... there's something very special going on with this list. I think/feel we all know each other, and are part of each other, including the lurkers. But it's even deeper than that. I don't know what it is..., but it's getting stronger and more beautiful day by day. If love is the connection that everything has with everything else then I guess that "something-special" feeling is called love. Now and then I "lurk in" on some of the other lists on SpiritWeb and I can sense the same love growing there also. Ain't it just great. Many many thanks to Rene' for starting and maintaining this wonderful web site. -- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:41:07 -0400 Jasmine Zidaric wrote: [clipped]
> Along the same lines, I wanted to share with you the result of a
[clipped] Dear Jasmine, Thank you for sharing your experience. Your way of expressing touched me very deeply. Another lesson in using audible silence to frame rhythmic words of truth. I truly felt your heart center. <another lump in my throat>. Boy! If all this beautiful "Essence Poetry" keeps popping up I won't be able to talk for a week. Rene' has even more of it in a special section of SpiritWeb called Spiritual Poetry, (i think?), or something like that. BTW: Jasmine, what does "Im'a" mean and how is it pronounced? [clipped]
> May the music of your Truth > reverberate throughout your being...... -- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:10:01 -0400 Lori Tostado wrote: [clipped]
> Surprised too, that that long post I did on comments/etc. on the 9 needs
Lori, this is really interesting. I had just the very day before your long post re-read about the 9 needs at one of the other Michael web sites. It was like "Oh, that's interesting." and that was it. I noted my three main needs, and then surfed on off to somewhere else. I wonder why the apathy here. I don't even remember my three main needs, or is it that I just don't want to deal with them right now? Hmmm. More thoughts for food. -- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:46:40 -0400 Joya Pope wrote:
> I thought about Chief Challenge for a bit as being an even better phrase, but
From a Scholar in Observation: Hey guys, take a closer look at the varied reasons people are giving for prefering (or not) a specific re-name for the Chief Feature. It says a lot about our individual resonance and avoidance patterns. Really interesting, eh? Somehow I feel as though no one who is considering a rename of the CF will come up with a term that is sufficiently descriptive and, at the same time, is also personally comfortable. I think this may be due to the nature of the CF itself, and to our "perceptions" of what it is. per Michael in "More Messages from Michael" (page 38): per Kenneth: And very few of us want to face our fears, much less bring up the "hidden" fears by naming them all as a group. Whew! Does this make sense? [clipped] -- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:17:57 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-11 10:31:30 EDT, Ken Broom writes:
<< You know, Lori, every now and then I thank GOD just for its being. I
(Raising one eyebrow) ;-p Ah, yes. You can just FEEL the love in this room. ;-p The energized vibrations of this greater gestalt of awareness are hurling
through the air like the meaty chunks of projectile vomiting; soothing,
medicinal, industrial waste-type puke that lathers our bodies with an acidic
cleansing -- healing, if you will. Or then again, maybe not. Dave - Yes, I know. I should have just stayed with Ken's original suggestion, but hey, a closed mouth gathers no feet. ;-p
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