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THE POSTS:

 

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:12:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Re: another poem.... 

<< there's something very special going on with this list. I think/feel we all know each other, and are part of each other, including the lurker>> 

Hello from a lurker. I haven't a clue what you guys are speaking about. But, I find myself drawn to the list and feel that you all are exceptional people. It is a privilege to get to know you this way. 

Thanks, pj


Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:13:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Karma 

The Michael board on AOL has been carrying an interesting thread concerning Karma. This brings up an interesting thought about how long it takes to fully grasp the lessons that Karma can teach us. For example, if a person has gone through numerous cycles already, why would the lessons of physical life need to be repeated? How many times do infant souls need to murder, injure, or abuse each other before they learn the proper outlet of expression? It seems to me that from an essence perspective, learning the same lesson cycle after cycle would be a redundancy, and even if the physical game involves forgetting everything we know and finding our way back, this pattern of repeating the same mistakes over and over seems rather nonproductive. 

Now on the other side of the proverbial coin, do all of these additional cycles from our past involve incarnations unrelated to the physical game, and thus, murder, spouse abuse and other heinous acts are only relevant as lessons on the Earthly plane? 

Just curious... 

Dave


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:59:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Previous cycles, lessons 

Evidently souls keep coming back for more...it's a very popular game. Being in the Tao may be "boring" after awhile? 

No one "needs" to do a whole physical cycle in order to learn lessons; people choose it as fun, I guess. 

Virtually always these cycles are done on different planets. It would be a drag to repeat the whole business on the same planet; after all, you don't cycle off a planet until you have satisfied every urge and paid all the dues and baby, you're done with it. 

Presumably then, when you have the itch to do more physicality, you check out various and diverse worlds until you find one that's really new and different and appealing enough to catch your fancy. 

All the best, Ed


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:32:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-10-15 of Michael Teachings

Dave, > how long it takes to fully grasp the lessons that Karma can teach us. For example, if a person has gone > through numerous cycles already, why would the lessons of physical life need to be repeated? 

That's an interesting point. Some go through their cycles with only the minimum possible number of lives (50-60 lives), others really like to savor the physical plane (300 or more lives) 

Priests like to move quickly in general, Warriors tend to move more slowly. Artisans and Priests are more comfortable on the astral plane, Warriors and Kings are more comfortable on the physical plane. JP talked quite a bit about this on one of the tapes I listened to recently. It may have been the one where she talked about Ramtha. 

Why do people stay at it? There is more to be learned from experiencing something from many encounters than from one. For example, a person can learn something about sex from one single experience, however, many experiences provide a richer view of the topic (and some folks might decide they enjoy it enough to keep trying it again). Make sense?

Barbara Taylor


From: Kenneth Broom
Subject: Re: Karma References:

WWQUINTETwrote: > > The Michael board on AOL has been carrying an interesting thread concerning > Karma. This brings up an interesting thought about how long it takes to fully > grasp the lessons that Karma can teach us. For example, if a person has gone > through numerous cycles already, why would the lessons of physical life need > to be repeated?

Dear Dave, 

The lessons are not repeated. Cycling is more about "experiencing" than "lesson learning". In each cycle essence experiences 3D earth life through different overleaves, and thus essence learns even more about the same subject matter than we are normally aware of, or can learn in one lifetime. The prime need for so many incarnations is that our bodies deteriorate and become useless before we experience all we could in one set of overleaves. 

> How many times do infant souls need to murder, injure, or > abuse others before they learn the proper outlet of expression? 

It takes as many times as it takes. From the POV of essence, the number of times, or even the elapsed time, makes little difference. Essence does not experience loss, damage, or abuse in the same way as we incarnate humans do.

> It seems to > me that from an essence perspective, learning the same lesson cycle after > cycle would be a redundancy, and even if the physical game involves > forgetting everything you know and finding your way back, this pattern of > finding yourself repeating the same mistakes while under the influence of an > Infant soul perspective, seems rather nonproductive. 

Maybe the same Infant soul, but different overleaves. Maybe the same lesson, but different overleaves and therefore a different perspective. The incarnate fragment is a learning agent. Essence is what is really doing the experiencing and learning. Essence is the repository for the fragment's experiences. The same "mistakes" are not repeated from the same POV or the same overleaves. There is always growth. No path is ever repeated. No fragment stays the same. No essence stays the same. Essence experience and essence awareness are the key terms here. Essence forgets nothing and is aware of everything. We are incarnate extensions of essence. 

> Now on the other side of the proverbial coin, do all of these additional > cycles from our past involve incarnations unrelated to the physical game, > and thus, murder, spouse abuse and other heinous acts are only relevant > as lessons on the Earthly plane? 

The additional cycles all involve all essence experiences whether physical or not. The relevance may not be readily apparent to us as mentally limited incarnates, but to essence all of its experiences are relevant and related to each other. From the POV of essence: nothing is lost and nothing is wasted and nothing is repeated. 

Everything is connected to, and related to, everything else. An extremely huge concept to accept. 

> Just curious... 

Curious is good. Asking questions is good. 
It's the questions that tell us what to do with the answers. 

Peace and Light to You and Yours, 
Kenneth Broom, Columbia, MD, USA 
aka I.A.M. Research 
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7th Level Old Scholar, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist, 
Emotional Part of Intellectual Center, Impatience. (INFP) 
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:29:14
Subject: Re: Karma

 I have a 92 Geo Metro LSI with three burnt exhaust valves. I also just did a major tune up and replaced the EGR valve. Can someone channel Edgar Cayce so he can tell me if there are any other problems that I have not found, and how to cure them. Also, are these problems the result of karmic retribution, and if so, is the cycle complete, or can I expect more challenges of this sort? 

In regards to the Karma (sans chanic) thread... 

This stuff can become quite paradoxical very quickly. As humans, we have a severly crippled understanding of other planes of existence, purpose, ascension, what have you. We can access some "non-traditional" sources through dreaming, prophets, journeying, channeled information, symbolism, divination, etc. Of course, any and all information gained is suspect at best, and subject to personal validation. What rings as true for one person does not for another. Religious beliefs come immediately to mind, and I suspect that a primary reason for this is soul age, and what the individual is ready to embrace to move them to the next level. I also suspect that this applies to the understanding of processes such as karma, and whether that understanding is at a simplistic or complex level. 

While most of the channeled teachings I have encountered put a big emphasis on ascension, other planes, other dimensions, extraterrestials, etc., Michael seems to be more concerned with dealing the particular challenges of being in a physical body on our particular plane. Obviously, the game involves not knowing what the hell is going on. But, is the goal to figure out what is going on and run like hell to the finish line, or to just be, and let what happens happen? And if we do just be, do the answers just come to us as we naturally progress, which is what I suspect. Seems to me that part of being an Old Soul is figuring this out.

Ed, you mentioned the "quickening" awhile back, but never expounded. Does that apply here? I'd like to hear your take on this. 

John -- I'd like to give the world a Coke.


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:56:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori Tostado
Subject: Michael Line 2-13 (fwd) 

Subject: Michael Line 2-13 Michael Line 2-13 

For a while I am experimenting with a new format for the Michael Lines where I take questions from subscribers and channeling answers. Here is one that we hope you will find interesting. 

Dear Michael, In a recent discussion about ETs and karma, the question was asked would ETs who were purely instinctive in their makeup generate any karma by, say, eating human beings? I figure karma is generated when any kind of attachment is generated but is there more to it than that? If I stay mad at someone I have generated a negative attachment. If I stay mad at the ET for having me for dinner as the main course, but it doesn't bother the ET then I get the karma and he gets off scott free. Another question I asked once : is there karma between species, like between humans and the greys? 

You will note the predators act in their natural way, yes they kill other creatures, but they do so out of necessity for their survival as a species. Predators are only following the natural way of their species. They do not accrue Karma. For example, a wolf does not accrue Karma for eating the lamb and thus depriving the shepherd of his lively hood. Nor does the lion accrue Karma for eating the human hunter, should the hunter become careless. When creatures are acting in their natural capacity, then they are behaving under natural Karma which is simply cause and effect. Natural cause and effect is necessary for physical plane life. Karma in nature is non binding. It does not collect upon the ledger sheet of any individual. It is simply a necessary element in creation. 

You could call the programming within the instinctive center the "nature" of the animal. When an organism is stimulated it responds according to its nature. The cat nature will say, "when you hear another cat you must protect your territory; too many cats will disturb the balance of your domain". The wolf who is somewhat more complex than the housecat will hear, "your hunger and hunting is a necessary for the perpetuation of life; hunt when you are hungry". Hunting and killing on this planet is part of the natural course of maintaining a greater homeostasis. What you may see in nature on a macro level as cruelty may disturb you but in the greater scheme of things the predator sustains the harmony of creation on Earth. All life on the planet is energized by spirit or essence, and essence has a part in the creation of life on this planet as well as the animation of life. Essence is very willing to go along with the program and follow the rules of natural checks and balances. 

Sentience within an individualized separate being is a choice that is offered from time to time to essence. Essence seeks it to know more about itself. When the opportunity arrives then essence will accept it, even under very difficult situations, such as a cycle as a human being. We have said before that this is a decision made by groups of cadres. As a human being essence is offered choices that go way beyond natural law and this makes the learning experience very valuable. You all now how well you learn by making mistakes - under natural law there is no opportunity to make mistakes or errors. The wolf will never make an error. They only act as their instinctive center instructs them. Sentient beings have moved beyond the restrictions inherent in the instinctive center. They have the freedom of choice governed by all seven centers. (Many mammals have developed emotional centers but they are still instinctively centered; Chimps, Gorillas and Orangutans are experimenting with sentience. They have within their nervous system the potential for seven centers). 

This ability to make choice can upset the balance of Karma - the evidence of this can be seen in the present imbalance of nature caused by human activity. Karma always takes something away that must be immediately replaced - but in the game of humanity Karma accrues. You collect it and collect it and then you burst under its weight and spend plenty of lifetimes reassembling yourself. It is through the reassembling of your identity that you gain the greatest learning.

 Your attachment then is the pressure of Karma pressing against essence. Essence will push against it until it comes into balance. When your Karma is again in balance you are operating under natural law and you cycle off. 

Now, concerning extraterrestrials and Karma. First you must have an agreement with the extraterrestrial to work out Karma together. You will have, at some place, an agreement to enter a learning experience through Karma. If it requires you to be eaten by another Sentient race then this is simply honoring the terms of the agreement. Of course you would most likely be dealing with an infant soul race and it is unlikely that this race would have perfected the kind of inter-dimensional travel that star travelers require. Most star travelers are operating at a higher frequency than humans and are a blend of astral and physical bodies or purely astral. They cannot interfere with your physical plane life experiences. 

Two sentient beings then can create Karma with each other, no matter what species they belong to. Sentience is sentience. Agreements and contracts are made between sentient beings. You can work with devic energy but then you must play under the rules of natural law and there is no imbalance of Karma.

What you call the greys are astral beings who are experimenting with becoming physical plane beings. They are quite interesting in the variety of life and they are amazed at the solidity of it. They are basically intellectually centered and have no developed emotional center. Since they have no real physical body then they have no instinctive center. Instinctive centers are bound to the planet. They are like hive souls since they act as single cadres - we have touched on pre-incarnate cadre behavior somewhat in past issues. They cannot make choices outside of their cadre and their cadre makes no choices outside of the contingent (1000 cadres). The fragments have not separated from the collective or group mind. Individuals do not exist and you can only make Karma with an individual fragment. (By the way, there is no eating of human species by other extraterrestrial beings, although there is some experimentation, you have more to fear from influenza. Many of the negative stories you hear come from the observers not understanding the behavior of this species. They may only appear immoral because they are purely pragmatist, and unemotional since they have not emotional center and because the are also purely observation mode.)

There is also a vast array of beings who have both astral and physical access, but as we said, they are well beyond eating other sentient beings. Many of them have very specialized diets and eating something as complex and foreign as a human being would only make them seriously ill. Some beings have perfected a direct energy intake and have no need to eat food. Remember that the astral plane is not something out there, it is simply the next octave up in vibration from the physical plane. It is only your physical bodies that cannot move into it, and this is due to their present vibratory frequency. You will, in future generations, have bodies that can transport through astral vibrations but this will require an older collective soul age and a different positioning of planet earth relative to the galactic center. 

One reason that these star travellers do not want to interfere in earth life, or other 3d planets is because they do not want to accrue Karma with the beings on the planet. To do so would tie them to that planet and the beings on it and live under the limitations of those beings. If they are chopping each other to piece like some of your ancestors, then they will have to enter those conditions. We will say also that fearing an invasion of extraterrestrials or waiting for them to be your saviour may be a bit of a diversion for you. Your greatest concerns are always closest to home. Yes many people have been contacted by extra terrestrials but it is the contactees that will make the changes, not the extraterrestrials. Human beings have the greatest experience here and human beings have the most inner resources for making the changes that are necessary for the health and harmony of the human species. If you are receiving messages from an extra terrestrial, and you could include ourselves in that definition, we will say again, "you are your highest authority".


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997
Subject: Re: Karma-chanic References: 

John Rogers wrote: > > I have a 92 Geo Metro LSI with three burnt exhaust valves. 

John-- One word: L-E-M-O-N. (;-) Just kidding!) No really--have you been affectionately calling this beloved vehicle, 'Carrie,' by chance?

> I > also just did a major tune up and replaced the EGR valve. I don't know about EGR valves, but PCV valves should never be confused with PVC valves. :-) > Can > someone channel Edgar Cayce so he can tell me if there are any other > problems that I have not found, and how to cure them. 

Ol' Ed says: "John: Buy a new car. I see Asia...no, no, Japan, a Japanese car...." 

> Also, are > these problems the result of karmic retribution, and if so, is the > cycle complete, or can I expect more challenges of this sort? 

You may expect more of this kind of karmarator disfunction, indeed. But fortunately, your karma was meant to run over your dogma. Not the other way around. Now, now, I know this is a bit hard to swallow, but I'm sure once the fumes clear, the true answer will come to you in a dove-tail spin of Eagle GA's and the flash of semi-metalic paint. 

> > In regards to the Karma (sans chanic) thread... > > This stuff can become quite paradoxical very quickly. As humans, we > have a severly crippled understanding of other planes of existence, > purpose, ascension, what have you. <clipped> Well said! > While most of the channeled teachings I have encountered put a big > emphasis on ascension, other planes, other dimensions, > extraterrestials, etc., Michael seems to be more concerned with > dealing the particular challenges of being in a physical body on our > particular plane. >

From a "starseed" perspective, where I've come from before I found Michael, this quote rang true for me--that the "Michael Teachings are the extra-terrestrial's best guide to Earth and being human." 

I say this because of the other cycles of lifetimes I've seemed to have pulled into my being in this life. I remember being an extraterrestrial working on the Earth human "project" a million or so years ago--where we were "playing God" as it were, and in order to really get the experience of our creations, we created a whole new cycle of lifetimes here--and this is even intricately intertwined with those other alien cycles. 

Time and space are not as limiting as they appear to be. I am often very aware of my own alien presence within myself--I see him as this man, who is watching and gaining experience, integrated but not fully, still fragmented, within myself. Most of my teenage years I felt like I was truly an alien on Earth, literally. I called my alien self, "The RAZZ" (hence my login name lorazz--an integrated fragment of Lori the Earth cycle Scholar, and this other part of me from Vega, along with others, from Sirius, the Pleiades, and my Angel guide Alena, who is me also). I drew pictures of the Razz, with a space-suit on, and a darkened mirror-finished on the front helmet, so no one ever knew what he really looked like....But anyway, that's another story! 

> Obviously, the game involves not knowing what the > hell is going on. But, is the goal to figure out what is going on > and run like hell to the finish line, or to just be, and let what > happens happen? And if we do just be, do the answers just come to us > as we naturally progress, which is what I suspect. Seems to me that > part of being an Old Soul is figuring this out. > 

I think it's a process of remembering, and integrating everything, truly knowing who you are, and your relationship to everyone and everything, not necessarily intellectually, but as a deep inner knowing.....I guess you just do it, and it happens when it happens. 

Well, just some food for thought! 
:^) 
Love, Lori


Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:57:57 -0400
Subject: Karma 

Dave asked: <<do all of these additional cycles from our past involve incarnations unrelated to the physical game, and thus, murder, spouse abuse and other heinous acts are only relevant as lessons on the Earthly plane?>>

Michael says on a scale of one to ten, we are at a level or 7.5 on the aggression scale, (any more and it is virtually guaranteed species will blow up planet before finishing) Planets with little aggression and little violence, nothing much happens, no one gets out of bed so to speak or stays in amorphous gassy form. For varying reasons we all chose Earth, just as it is, because it looked exciting, on the edge, oh, and men and women are very different here, quite full of opposites compared to most places. My guess is that next cycle we wouldn't choose to repeat this excitement but try for something more subtly creative! 

Ed said: 

Presumably then, when you have the itch to do more physicality, you check out various and diverse worlds until you find one that's really new and different and appealing enough to catch your fancy.>> 

Yes! That applies to this time and to next time. Also the average earth person has only got 2 or 3 cycles behind him/her, not a huge number. 

Blessings on your journeys, 
Joya Pope


Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:59:58 -0400 
Subject: Re: Karma-chanic

 Dear John -- I forgot your question about "quickening", which I was going to answer. 

Art Bell has a book out by that title and he's been talking about it as long as I've been aware of his show, maybe three years. I don't know where the term originally came from, but it refers to an acceleration of everything that seems to be happening. All the knowledge, technology, communications, awareness are speeding up at an exponential rate, and part of it seems to be that people are collectively creating the belief that whether it is the millennium or the end of the Mayan calendar or something else, we're running out of time as we know it before the world ends or changes drastically to something we can't conceive of in our present reality. The process stimulates fear in some people (especially baby souls) and anticipation for some people, those with more optimistic outlooks. 

In regards to the karma-chanic thread and the ideas on all this stuff: One of the very useful Michael ideas to me was (I think it's in one of Stevens's books but I can't find it) the types of ideas that different soul ages use. It isn't a matter of attitude, which is a different thing. 

Young souls like to master increasing complexity, just like children learning games. Young souls love to believe that the answers can be found with computer programs with 10 million lines of code, or by figuring out the human genome, or the incredible complexity of the math in economic theory or physics. 

Mature souls are drawn to "serious" publications or art of all sorts. They are the ones who will read the really heavy texts and commentaries on eastern practices, psychoanalysis, Jung, or the meaning of literature. These texts always are written in formal language with long paragraphs and big words. There is a reaction against the young soul style that has more of a short attention span, glossy paper, expensive printing and need to keep you interested. Mature souls want to feel above the need for anything young-soulish. 

Old souls are drawn to the power of simple, radical truths. They like to use their accumulated wisdom and competence to see right through all the complexity to the roots of things. The transcendental and infinite teachers have shown us that all the complicated word games are unnecessary illusions that confuse and hide the simplicities. 

Young and mature souls tend to feel threatened or put down by what they see as too-simple explanations. Young souls want their billions for medical research and mathematical analysis of everything; mature souls are committed to their reality that the spiritual path is long and arduous and when they feel it dragging, they go back to the heavy books. This is just a stereotype, of course; many mature souls spend a lot more time with real drama, TV and film drama or pop psychology, but if they get into serious intellectual study, they want the heavy books. 

All the best, Ed


Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:30:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Ed: Karma-chanic 2 

John remarked on the complicated differences between Michael's focus and those of other channeled sources and religions. 

I believe that the focus in Michael reflects the particular background, education, and interests of the channels and to some degree, that of the group members around the channels who ask questions that draw out Michael's teachings. Of course, this refers to the teachings as we know them, which is what we can read in the published books or hear in tapes from JP and others or read in places like this forum. There are, though, many thousands of essences in the Michael "student" cadres who don't seem to have a connection with the books or channels or groups as we know them, and Michael has a lot more "capacity" than what they use with the publicly-known channels. 

So it is entirely possible that Michael is coming through other channels involved with other groups of people in entirely different activities and teachings. The people involved might not even be aware that they are dealing with a discarnate soul group, let alone that it is what we call "Michael". Michael's "job" is to teach and guide the "students" in whatever mutually beneficial ways evolve. This doesn't have to have anything to do with overleaves and the other body of information we're familiar with; that would come through if someone was both curious and receptive enough to ask the questions as they did in the original Yarbro group. 

Maybe other groups all over the planet are involved with politics, environmental awareness, different forms of the arts, or metaphysical information tailored to the interests of people in other cultures with different religious traditions than we have here. I like to think that not only Michael but many other similar teachers are actively working all over the world in diverse ways. 

Michael so far in the published materials we know of in their name, seems to not have brought out particularly extensive or good information about extraterrestrials, ascension and ascended masters, the processes that are happening here ("quickening"), and, in general, whatever goes on in the non-physical realms of existence. There is a lot of really good material on these subjects from non-Michael sources. My advice for anyone is to not limit their focus to "Michael" only but use any and all sources that resonate well. Many of them seem to be (and say) that they come from higher planes than the causal plane which Michael is on, so, if that is true, Michael won't have as good an understanding of that perspective or what is happening on those levels and how it affects us. In particular, the Michael material so far doesn't seem to recognize or take a position on the various ascended masters' accounts of changes that have taken place in recent years that are historically unique and different from anything in Michael's time when they were incarnate. It might be not only an infinite soul event approaching but qualitatively different from all past ones. 

All the best, Ed


Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-10-16 of Michael Teachings List 

John, > Michael seems to be more concerned with > dealing the particular challenges of being in a physical body on our > particular plane. ... But, is the goal to figure out what is going on > and run like hell to the finish line, or to just be, and let what > happens happen?

Michael is primarily Warriors and Kings, who love the physical plane. Their job now is to teach us as guides to the game -- sort of like physical plane coaches. The goal of the game is to play the game -- nothing more, nothing less. When we understand that and really enjoy playing the game. we're done. 

Barbara Taylor


Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:09:51 -0500 
From: javex <ganta@winternet.com
Subject: Re: Karma-chanic 

<big snip>... >Mature souls are drawn to "serious" publications or art of all sorts. They >are the ones who will read the really heavy texts and commentaries on eastern >practices, psychoanalysis, Jung, or the meaning of literature. These texts >always are written in formal language with long paragraphs and big words. > There is a reaction against the young soul style that has more of a short >attention span, glossy paper, expensive printing and need to keep you >interested. Mature souls want to feel above the need for anything >young-soulish. > >Old souls are drawn to the power of simple, radical truths. They like to use >their accumulated wisdom and competence to see right through all the >complexity to the roots of things. The transcendental and infinite teachers >have shown us that all the complicated word games are unnecessary illusions >that confuse and hide the simplicities. > >Young and mature souls tend to feel threatened or put down by what they see >as too-simple explanations. Young souls want their billions for medical >research and mathematical analysis of everything; mature souls are committed >to their reality that the spiritual path is long and arduous and when they >feel it dragging, they go back to the heavy books. This is just a >stereotype, of course; many mature souls spend a lot more time with real >drama, TV and film drama or pop psychology, but if they get into serious >intellectual study, they want the heavy books. > >All the best, Ed 

This makes me feel better about reading Winnie the Pooh... 

"And then he thought that being with Christopher Robin was a very good thing to do, and having Piglet near was a very friendly thing to have; and so, when he had thought it all out, he said, "What I like best in the whole world is Me and Piglet going to see You, and You saying 'What about a little something?' and Me saying, 'Well, I shouldn't mind a little something, should you, Piglet,' and it being a hummy sort of day outside, and birds singing." -- A.A Milne 

Melissa. (who likes playing Poohsticks)


Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997
Subject: Marin Michael Conference- November 7 

Emily Baumbach wrote what follows about the conference. Thought it was good, useful, interesting, apt, relevant etc. Blessings everywhere, Joya 

Please tell people who are coming to the conference that they'll be getting two days of incredible Michael teachings not found anywhere else. They'll watch 12 channels channeling in two terrific panel discussions, plus they'll be able to sit in on 8-12 lectures on the Michael teachings. They'll get to meet 100 other Michael students from around the globe, and establish their own networking base. They'll get to meet all 12 participating channels and get a taste of each channel's teaching style: a rare opportunity. Many of them will reconnect with old friends in the Michael community, and most of them will make new friends.


Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997
Subject: Unifying Our Understanding of Essence Twins

A while back someone brought up an interesting topic for discussion that we didn't get very deeply into--trying to bring some unity of understanding into channelings about various basic aspects of the Michael teachings. 

One topic that I think fascinates everyone, and is of strong importance to an overleaf reading because it involves the second strongest influence next to the role (of course, *that* statement could be up for debate <G>), is the Essence Twin. 

The early Yarbro channelings seem to indicate that ETs are *most often* of the same Role as each other. Yes, they can be "fraternal" twins, with different roles, but most often they are "identical" twins with the same Roles, and, I assume, maybe even have the same overleaves entirely, or almost entirely? 

My friend Karen Harbaugh, an Old Soul Warrior-Artisan who introduced me to the Michael teachings in 1993, and seems to be more encyclopediacally versed in them than almost anyone I know, outside an obsessed OS Scholar <G>, has these remarks to make (see attached forwarded message). 

P.S. Some other OS Michael fans have had some comments to make on this subject, and if they will allow me, I will post their comments as well. 

Regards, Kate 

...........................................................................

Subject: [Fwd: hi] Kate, just a note before I submerge in writing again: 

I can see what Kay is saying, but the thing is, why are they called essence twins when they aren't the same in essence role? I mean, if they're twins, they're going to be more or less identical, right? There are fraternal twins, true, but if all or most essence twins were not the same, that would be like saying there are no or very few identical twins...which is not so. I don't know why what she says conflicts with the Yarbro books. <shrug> Now, the task companion _is_ different in role, etc., but compatible, and the task companion _can_ bleed through. Could it be that she's getting the task companion and essence twin mixed up? It would be easy enough to confuse. 

On the other hand, maybe the Yarbro books are in error. Although I would have thought, since they were channeled over many, many years, that this would have been corrected by the third book, or even the present one. Odd. 

Ah, well. It probably doesn't matter all that much--what are words, anyway? I'm just a little skeptical about the easy acceptance of essence twins among the New Age community. So many people claim to find their essence twin or soul twin and how smoothly it went and wonderful it is, and I don't buy it. The whole idea is romantic, and I love that concept in a romance novel, but in reality it's a lot more trouble. Now of course I believe in love and have even seen "love at first sight." I wouldn't be writing it if I didn't believe in it. But in real life I can see how an essence twin relationship would scare the hell out of people, because it threatens the chief feature and the chief feature doesn't like being extinguished even for a moment. 

Usually, these connections are horrendously difficult, because the soul-deep intimacy involved is usually terrifying to people, even on the old soul level. And when I mean soul-deep intimacy, I mean reading each other's thoughts, knowing, even at a distance, what each person feels. Think about it: if a physical twin can sense what might be going on with a twin, the essence/soul twin connection is going to be at least ten times as intimately connected. When the essence twins finally agree to be together, they lose a great deal of their individual identities, in that the thoughts of one are the thoughts of the other. IOW, you are not so much Kate, but a collective essence with this other person. Sometimes it can be to the point where if one dies, the other will, also. Which is why, for the most part, essence twins do not get married or stay together for very long throughout the different lifetimes. There's no use in being with someone who agrees with you all the time, because there's no growth in that. <g> Kay is correct on that head. 

Now, the task companion is another thing. It's a deep, friendly, usually happy and energizing yet comfortable connection, and when you meet that person, it's like meeting an old friend. This can deepen into intense love, if the two are physically compatible and if that's what the task can accomodate or is meant to involve. (Sometimes it's not--it could involve a highly successful and friendly business partnership.) It would be easy to mistake this relationship with an essence twin one because of the task companions' high compatibility and enjoyment and love for each other. There is often a psychic or at least intuitive link between the two, but not the overwhelmingly intense "I-am-you" absorption and loss of identity that occurs in the essence twin relationship. And, it's not unusual for the task companions to dream about each other when apart, because they are doing their tasks even in their sleep. Task companions, when they marry, usually do so for a very long time, even for life if that's what their tasks are about. Although, if their task involves having children and raising them, once they're raised, they may get a divorce if their pursuits lead them elsewhere, or if their efforts have focused solely on the children and not on each other as well. 

The essence twin usually does come into one's life at important junctures, usually to say the right thing at the right time, or bust up a bad relationship, or to clarify whatever problem you're having at the time. They can do this very well, because when you're connecting on an "I-am-you" soul level, the overleaves are penetrated, and as a result, the false personality for that one instant disappears, and you are operating on a purely soul level and _know_ what it is you need to know and do in your life. 

As an illustration, there is a woman on one particular romance internet list, whom I am certain has connected with her essence twin. She is totally in love with him, and he with her. They both know it. But he decided to marry someone else (a foolish decision, IMHO), because the intimacy--knowing each other's thoughts and feelings almost all the time and the constant soul- level intimacy--was extremely difficult for him to handle. Such is the essence twin "agape" (selfless love) that she did not stop him, because she realizes he must make his choice, and hoped they could remain at least platonic friends--which they did, because even he couldn't bear to sever their relationship totally. 

Needless to say, his wife knows about their prior relationship, and she is extremely threatened by it, because anyone seeing this sort of connection will know the intense depth of love between the two. The man's marriage, I am sure, will be on the rocks soon if not already. I don't blame the poor wife...she went into the marriage thinking she would be his one and only love, as most people do in marriage. But the essence twin connection--once acknowledged as this one is--is such that should the essence twin be in trouble or needs the other, any other relationship will go begging, even if it's a marriage. Which is, of course, not very good for a marriage unless the spouse is VERY understanding. 

I sure do hope that these two get together, because my sense is that this life is one where they chose to try to overcome the fear engendered by the intense intimacy. I can tell you right now that the guy's attempts at marriage with anyone else have a high probability of failing. His essence twin says she will never marry anyone else because nothing compares to this connection and she couldn't put another person through the misery they'd feel in a relationship with her. She's tried (not in marriage, but has looked elsewhere for a potential husband), and they have all failed. It's possible that the two are late mature/early old, or else this situation wouldn't be so difficult for them. I think that level gives them just enough realization to recognize an essence twin for what it is, but not enough so that there is a mature-soul level angst to it all. Or, they may be older souls, but their chief features are giving each other a lot of trouble. 

Although, come to think of it, if they have children, it might be a difficult relationship for the children to handle. 

Anyway, if you want to share this with Kay or anyone else, go ahead. I'll be interested to see what is said. :) Love, Karen


Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997
Subject: Essence Twins

 My dh, Christopher, just told me that Michael for the Millenium, starting on page 184, goes through all the incarnations of one Server fragment who is now a 7th level OS. In 109 lives over 5233 years, he had 21 contacts with the ET and 28 contacts with "the" task companion (implying there is only one, see page 197). Christopher commented that the odds, statistically, if this is channeled correctly (and the other examples given are similar, like a Scholar fragment who had 22 contacts with ET), are that in less than 20% of your lives will you meet your ET. So everyone is not going to meet their ET--in fact, the majority aren't.

Kate 
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Kate McMurry


Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-10-19 of Michael Teachings List:

Kate wrote, > One topic that I think fascinates everyone, and is of strong importance > to an overleaf reading because it involves the second strongest > influence next to the role (of course, *that* statement could be up for > debate <G>), is the Essence Twin. 

The ET influence is not present all the time as the other attributes are, such as primary casting and the overleaves. Casting is "how" the role expresses. Not everyone has casting and not everyone has an ET. ET adds another flavor or influence. There are many different "influences" on the role and overleaves. In different people, their strength is of varying degrees. There is some disagreement on the subject of ET and casting, as well on some of the other aspects of the teachings. As in all things, verification is the key to understanding. The "Michael system" is not a rigid as we tend to make it, even the numbers and their sequencing is different for different aspects. And, Michael reminds us not to let our human desire to put things in concrete take the place of allowing ourselves to understand. 

> The early Yarbro channelings seem to indicate that ETs are *most often* > of the same Role as each other. Yes, they can be "fraternal" twins, with > different roles, but most often they are "identical" twins with the same > Roles, and, I assume, maybe even have the same overleaves entirely, or > almost entirely? 

In my experience, rarely are ETs the same role.

Barbara Taylor


Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 
Subject: ETs and Task Companions References:

The idea that we have a "happy" relationship with our task companion with no karma, etc. is a great over-simplification. The job of the task companion is to help us (or force us) to do our work. Since we spend many lives with them, we build up karma. Therefore, they can be as challenging as any other relationship, or even more challenging than many because they are so special to us. 

In some of the books, there seem to be only "one" task companion. Older souls may have several TCs. These could be connections from other cycles or people we've grown to know and love over the years. Others may "act like" TCs for us, so we could have several very close TC-equivalent folks around us. For example, a TC for our true work, a TC for our true play, a TC for our true study, etc. 

ETs affect us very strongly and those relationships are not always "happy" either. A great deal of karma arises between ETs as with TCs over the long time that we interact with each other. Getting past the karma is where we develop the deep bonds and see the value in loving someone in spite of their faults. We've seen them at their worst and their best, and can accept them as they are. 

Kay Heatherly is doing a study on ETs, so it will be interesting to see how her research turns out and what might be learned about what really happens.

Barbara Taylor


Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997  
Subject: Re: Essence Twins 

In regard to Kate and Christopher's post about "Michael for the Millenium"....first, one correction: The period of 5233 years is the calendar difference from beginning to end. When I read the book I was impressed by how short most of the lives were, so a friend and I calculated that the average length per lifetime was about 25 years, and it was fairly uniform through the soul ages. 

One obvious question that comes up if you can force yourself to read through that dismal chronicle is when and how did that old server ever have the time to evolve between all the deaths by rock crushing, lions, bears, torture and innumerable other early demises. He/she didn't have all that many adult years of experience. 

Another question that I had was why did Michael select this one soul, out of all the possibilities, as an example. Was he a statistically average or qualitatively "average" earth human? The example does nothing for me except to remind us how grim and brutal past history was and how different things are now, even in younger soul societies. 

On ETs: There seem to be every possible combination of roles and a certain small percentage of souls have no ET. 

The definitive theory of ETs doesn't seem to have appeared yet. It's complicated by the normal widespread maya by which those of a romantic bent will fantasize or invent a grand cosmic explanation for their attraction to someone or to their great familiarity with someone. Every channel has a potential problem every time a couple comes to get a session and asks "are we ETs?"....if they're not, do you want to possibly spoil the romance by saying so? 

I think some ideas in Karen's writing are off....no connection between ETs and identical twins, at least most of the time, and there's defintiely no reason for or support for the idea that ETs, being identical, would have identical overleaves. They go on their own paths and choose overleaves each life according to their inclinations at the time. 

All the best, Ed


Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:37:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Our Understanding of Essence Twins 

In my understanding of the concept of essence twins, the word twin can be misleading precisely because it leads people to believe the two might be identical. I don't think that is what the term twin is meant to imply in this case. The two will be cast at the same time, and if I understand correctly, the frequency, the male/female energy will be like puzzle pieces to some degree. One might have male/female energy of 40/60, the other will be perhaps 60/40 or something close to that. One might have a frequency of 75, while the other has a more grounded 25. In this way and others like this, they will be twins in that they match up, but are also different. The closeness of the inherent tie seems to let them see into the heart of each other's stuff, so perhaps no one gets away with much. This can be seen as an asset or a pain. I don't think this is the kind of likeness that creates a place where both see everything the same way, agree all the time and therefore don't grow. My guess is lots of growth comes from this relationship when people can stand it...or have come to a place of understanding and acceptance with one another and ultimately deep love. Once that is reached, I think the dying together is by choice because they don't want to be apart. 

I know there has been some talk of using a different term because twin can be easily misunderstood as all of these concepts can. The concepts themselves are more fluid and alive than any quick label can really do justice to, I think. 

As old souls, the concept _is_ fascinating. There seems to be some innate knowing in us before anyone tells us about this concept that such a thing exists. We are drawn to it or perhaps repelled by it, but less often completely neutral to it. They say that sex is a quick road into karma, or often the honey that pulls us into a situation that turns out to be a lot of work. The essence twin relationship seems to be that kind of draw magnified. Any relationship can be a nightmare or something more wonderful depending on all the myriad of factors. Doesn't seem to stop any of us. Perhaps now and then. The draw of sharing a deep love and the myth that this might be the deepest of loves we can experience here draws us like some mirage in this sometimes desert of separation. 

Considering the kind of electrical resonance I felt meeting an entity mate and the kind of ease and joy I feel sometimes around cadre mates, I admit that the essence twin idea is more than a bit haunting. And yet the people I've felt these connections with were people I met fairly naturally. Life seems to work in that wonderful effortless kind of way with the people we're meant to meet. Although I think this can get messed up too, because this is a plane with many things that can sometimes get in the way. 

Best to all, 
Brin


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