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THE POSTS:

 

Subject: Michael on healing (was Re: Expanded View of AMT)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:44:15 -0700 (PDT)

As far as bleedthrough and casting go, I still question which part of casting is supposedly the strongest? Is it the greater cadence number, the minor cadence number, or the position within the cadence? 

Influence is opposite of hierarchy. The position of the fragment within the cadence is the greatest influence, then the cadence within the greater cadence, then the greater cadence within the role, which is the highest in the hierarchy. 

| I got channeled for me that my greater (major--49 essences) cadence is server, and the minor cadence (set of seven essences) is priest, and my position in the cadence is artisan.

That sounds, though the wording is different, like 2/6/1 (or as I write it - 2.6.1). 

| I also have artisan ET bleedthrough. Artisan feels very strong in me. It should, with ET bleedthrough and primary casting. | When I found out I had priest casting, that was really interesting... 

Six in the second position should facilitate channeling those on the astral plane (seven helps channel those on the causal). 

| Well, just some more brain-storming for you... ;^) | | Lori 

Some good discussions going on here of late, IMO. 

Regards, Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/4.11>] 
Dick Hein / rwh@wco.com / Mountain View, California.


Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:03:56 
Subject: Re: ETs   

Dick, 

Thanks for all your insightful feedback on the Casting and ET discussion. :) 

Kate


Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:05:40
Subject: Essence Twin Discussion 

Can I post this on the Michael List and get some feedback? This is a fascinating topic. To me, at least, and I think a lot of others. I'm forwarding to you what a friend of mine had to say, an OS Warrior who introduced me to Michael. 

Love, Kate -- 

FWD:> Intersting. Do you have all the CQY books? There seems to be some  discrepancies, small and large, between them and what later channels  have gotten. <<

Yes, I do have them all and have read them all. I find them the least well organized of all of the Michael books, but I also find that, for me, the voice of Michael comes through much more clearly and strongly in these books than in the later books. The later books organize and present the material much better, but they seem to have lost the voice of Michael in doing so. When there is a discrepancy between the Yarbro books and later books, I have tended to go with the Yarbro books since they were the "first." Actually, the Yarbro Michael group does not recognize as valid any other Michael groups which have published, mention only the existence of one other valid Michael group and says that that group is even pickier about admissions than they are and that that group has not published. 

At least this was the position stated in either the second or third book. Not sure what the current position is. (She's written 4 Michael books altogether.) 

Outside of the Yarbro books, I find that the voice of Michael comes through most in Shepherd's books. (I've read 2 of them. He has more, but I've only read 2.) Shepherd's books seem to combine the organization of most of the other books with the voice of the Yarbro books. 

Nina Lee Braden


Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:10:40  
Subject: Essence Twin Discussion 

Here's a post on the ET discussion long-time Michael channel, Kay Kamala, said I could post. 

Kate

Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: hi]] 

Hi Kate, 

Yes, you can post what I said, and I will add a little to it for further clarification.

 Generally speaking, ET's are usually in the same cadre, but in different entities. They are usually different Roles so that each fragment can have a fuller experience beyond their own Role, through the "bleed through" effect of the ET.

 99.9% of people have an ET, although they are not always in a body at the same time. The ET relationship is ALWAYS about service, and helping each other evolve and have greater self-realization. It can be a complex and frustrating relationship, unlike any other, and therefore circumvents all rationale. The intellectual center is useless in understanding this relationship, except to give validity to the experience. Clients I have who attempt to make sense of this relationship only suffer, when they try to "figure it out". The ET relationship is the probably the steepest learning curve we've got. It's also quite ecstatic and mysterious. It's quite literally a confrontation with yourself in the form of another human body, warts and all. 

Task companions are in the same cadre, same entity, and usually have a calmer dynamic than ET's.


Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:29:37
Subject: Essence Twins

Barbara Taylor wrote: 

> The ET influence is not present all the time as the other attributes > > are, such as primary casting and the overleaves. Casting is "how" the > > role expresses. Not everyone has casting and not everyone has an ET. > ET adds another flavor or influence. There are many different > "influences" on the role and overleaves. In different people, their > strength is of varying degrees. There is some disagreement on the > subject of ET and casting, as well on some of the other aspects of the > > teachings. > 

So, would you say that the influence of casting is stronger than the influence of bleedthrough, providing the fragment has both?

> As in all things, verification is the key to understanding. The > "Michael system" is not a rigid as we tend to make it, even the > numbers > and their sequencing is different for different aspects. And, Michael > > reminds us not to let our human desire to put things in concrete take > the place of allowing ourselves to understand. > 

Good point. 

> In my experience, rarely are ETs the same role. > 

By "experience," do you mean in the clients you've channeled for or the Michael channelings about the subject you yourself have gotten or people you know in the Michael channel community have gotten? Just curious. 

Kate 
-- 
Kate McMurry


Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:51:11
Subject: Re: Essence Twins

MetaSyn@aol.com wrote: > Tne obvious question that comes up if you can force yourself to read > through > that dismal chronicle is when and how did that old server ever have > the time > to evolve between all the deaths by rock crushing, lions, bears, > torture and > innumerable other early demises. He/she didn't have all that many > adult > years of experience. > 

Very profound insight, Ed. I *love* it. I'm assuming you didn't mean the above to be funny, but for some reason the way you phrased the above is causing a subject that usually depresses the heck out of me (all the short, dismal lives we've all had), to strike me as funny, even to the point of LOL. I'll choose to believe I'm not crazy, just discovering a new perspective. <G> 

What you're saying makes me think: in a way, most of our lifetimes we've acted like arrested adolescents. It makes me wonder, too: just in this last century, suddenly, due to modern sanitation and trauma medicine, our lifespan has almost doubled (from about 40 at the turn of the century in this country to almost 80 now). Though they have the potential to live to 100 and have many "golden, wisdom years," Baby Boomers hate growing old (want to live forever, but look and feel 25 all that time <G>). Could it be that vast number of people, maybe for the first time in history in such huge numbers, have the chance to live past (what we now consider) early adulthood, and it feels so weird (unfamiliar, unusual) to us, we can't stand it? <G> 

> Another question that I had was why did Michael select this one soul, > out of > all the possibilities, as an example. Was he a statistically average > or > qualitatively "average" earth human? The example does nothing for me > except > to remind us how grim and brutal past history was and how different > things > are now, even in younger soul societies. > 

I, too, have trouble reading about all those horrible deaths. Did you ever watch Groundhog Day? I thought that movie was a really good metaphor for reincarnation--or trying to find a positive way to live out the eternity of being "trapped" here life after life. 

> The definitive theory of ETs doesn't seem to have appeared yet. It's > complicated by the normal widespread maya by which those of a romantic > bent > will fantasize or invent a grand cosmic explanation for their > attraction to > someone or to their great familiarity with someone. Every channel has > a > potential problem every time a couple comes to get a session and asks > "are we > ETs?"....if they're not, do you want to possibly spoil the romance by > saying > so? > 

It's possible a lot of these people may just have "sex karmas" with each other. <G> 

> I think some ideas in Karen's writing are off....no connection between > ETs > and identical twins, at least most of the time, and there's defintiely > no > reason for or support for the idea that ETs, being identical, would > have > identical overleaves. They go on their own paths and choose > overleaves each > life according to their inclinations at the time. > 

I got to thinking that though the concept of twin is used a lot in our culture to mean "my mirror image" or to be my "clone" (a carbon copy of me). But, it seems to me, in real life, unless they really work at it, identical twins start diverging from the day they are born. (Though, I'll bet their astrological charts are quite similar if born only a few minutes apart?) Also, in science fiction stories, where the cloning theme is explored, the concept of the clone diverging from it's "parent" person and becoming something very different (due to different choices, opportunities, etc.) is a very "shocking" one to the reader. Maybe because it goes against the cultural expectation that twins are "genetically programmed" to do the same thing? 

Of course, there are a handful of studies that found twins, separated at birth, who chose similar occupations and mates. Hmm. You know, I've often wondered, where do they come up with so many separated twins for all those studies? <G> 

Kate -- Kate McMurry


Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:00:32
Subject: Re: Our Understanding of Essence Twins

Brin wrote: > In my understanding of the concept of essence twins, the word twin can > be > misleading precisely because it leads people to believe the two might > be > identical. I don't think that is what the term twin is meant to imply > in > this case. The two will be cast at the same time, and if I understand > correctly, the frequency, the male/female energy will be like puzzle > pieces > to some degree.....The closeness of the inherent tie seems to let them > see into the heart of each other's stuff, so perhaps no one gets away > with much....I don't think this is the kind of likeness that creates a > place where both see everything the same way, agree all the time and > therefore don't grow. 

Brin, FWIW, this has been my understanding of the relationship, too. 

Also, FWIW, I think that the later Old Souled we get, the concept of "seeing into the heart of each other's stuff" begins to be something we do with almost anyone we choose to look at--they don't have to be ET, EM, part of same entity or cadre. At least, this has been my take on it from personal experience. Anyone else? 

What I have noticed is that if someone is from my entity, or if I have spent a lot of lifetimes with them, I can feel an immediate sense of "recognition." From that point on, whether it is "comfortable" or awful depends on whether our overleaf choices and life tasks and goals match at all. I find that as a person in Growth, often only someone else in Growth can stand to be around me up close and in person. Most people check in with me when they are in the midst of some big transition in their lives to get validated that growth and change is really, truly <g> a good thing afterall. :} 

> > > I know there has been some talk of using a different term because > twin can > be easily misunderstood as all of these concepts can. The concepts > themselves are more fluid and alive than any quick label can really do > > justice to, I think. > 

Makes sense. As I mention in another post, we have some strong cultural ideas about what a "twin" is, or means. 

> As old souls, the concept _is_ fascinating. ...The draw of sharing a > deep love and the myth that this might be the deepest of loves we can > experience here draws us like > some mirage in this sometimes desert of separation. > 

Good point. 

Kate


Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:56:27
Subject: Re: Michael for the Millenium References

Ed commented about the book: > Another question that I had was why did Michael select this one soul, out of > all the possibilities, as an example. Was he a statistically average or > qualitatively "average" earth human? The example does nothing for me except > to remind us how grim and brutal past history was and how different things > are now, even in younger soul societies. 

I found the section on the different souls the only thing of value in the entire book. Interesting how different people see such different things. I didn't evaluate it, just enjoyed the variety of it. 

Barbara


Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:26:13
Subject: Re: ET Article References: 

Hi everyone! After I have some more time to participate on the list again I'll write some things about my et relationships, but in the meantime, Kay Heatherly sent me this article to use on her webpage and I thought you all might like to read it.... :) Love, Lori 

This is excerpted from the upcoming book Essence Twins...Your Other Half??

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Essence Twins....Your Other Half??
By Kay Heatherly, M.A., Certified Hypnotherapist & Michael Channel.

What is an Essence Twin?

This is the person that you are the most connected to in a deep internal way. Imagine that there is a coin and you are one side of that coin and your Essence Twin is the other side of that same coin. You both feel a bit incomplete without each other. Sometimes you might feel more present when in the presence of your Essence Twin, because you might then feel more complete. 

Where does the term Essence Twin come from?

This is a term used in the Michael Teachings. Michael is a channeled entity composed of 1050 individual Essences who have lived on the physical plane and now teach from another plane. The Michael Teachings are not a religion or a belief system, but a teaching that promotes agape, or unconditional love through understanding why human beings behave as they do. 

How are Essence Twins different from Soul Mates or Twin Flames?

These relationships are close and important and often refer to a mated, sexual relationship. Actually there is not one person who might be the best mate for you every lifetime nor one with whom you mate with consistently throughout the millennia...that would mean a fairly limited amount of growth and might even be boring after awhile. A person can have more than one person in her life who feels like a Soul Mate or a Twin Flame, but rarely can one have more than one Essence Twin. Essence Twins seem to be more connected internally than any other relationship. The are connected on a soul level, intertwined, linked in a way that feels to be deep inside and not merely due to external, personal, or worldly circumstances. Yes, Essence Twins can be one's mate in one life, then, one's child in another, one's business partner in yet another and so on.

How do you get' (choose) your Essence Twin?

When a soul leaves the Tao, the All That Is, it seems that it chooses a companion to be closely intimate with, another half to go along with and hold one's hand in almost every lifetime...this is the Essence Twin. 

How do you know if a certain person in your life is your Essence Twin?

Most people have a certain intuition that there is some sort of a special relationship, a sort of magnetic bond or attraction. This can be confirmed by a Michael Channel. 

Do Essence Twins look alike? 

Often, but not always. Usually there definitely some sort of a physical resemblance, very often recognizable to others in their eyes, or mouths, and sometimes in the way the move or use their energy. 

Does everyone have an Essence Twin?

Probably approximately 99% have an Essence Twin either on the Physical Plane or on the Astral Plane, not yet incarnate. 

How is one's life different if the Essence Twin is not embodied on this plane?

When the Essence Twin is not here on the planet, the relationship is experienced as more pure,' in that the connection is not merely with the human personality characteristics, but with the pure Essence or soul. When a soul is on the Astral Plane between lives, of course, there is no body or human personality to deal with. Regardless of whether one is acquainted with her Essence Twin or not, if the Essence Twin is here on this planet, she must deal with all the personality characteristics ( called Overleaves, in the Michael System). 

Do Essence Twins have perfect' and harmonious relationships?

Sometimes...if the lesson to be learned is that of harmony. Often, though, Essence Twin Relationships are turbulent and tumultuous, because, it seems that a typical Essence Twin lesson is to mirror the other's traits. It is most difficult to handle having one's own shadowy characteristics mirrored back in one's face. 

Does chronological age come into play with Essence Twins?

Not really. Some Essence Twins, if they are not family members and have know each other since one was born, find it easier to meet up when they have had a chance to know themselves and the world a bit better...that is to say, later in life. Since we do most of our karmas between the ages of 14 and 28, many Essence Twins want to have completed most of their obligatory karmas during those years. They can, then, feel freer to concentrate most of their attention and energy on the Essence Twin after they have completed that karmic period of life. 

According to those who know their Essence Twin, what advice do they give to others who have just met theirs? 

My first response is to say to run the other way! My second response is to say fasten your seat belt! My E.T relationship provides me with some of my best and worst times. I've learned that you don't ever seem to be able to get away from your E.T....there's no choice but to dance with them. 

  • Expect to experience the deepest of emotional bonds that do not fit your pictures.

  • Go slowly, let the relationship mature and sort itself out. Give the E.T. lots of room and work on you own issues. They aren't the answer to your problems, but a gift from the universe. Enjoy them!

  • Acknowledge the connection. Don't get drawn into creating a pre-established form until you've had time to hang out together.

  • Make sure you take frequent breaks from each other.

  • Don't get stuck on what your E.T. relationship should' be; there are many forms of relationship. You ll learn a LOT from this, whatever form it takes.

  • Things might not go smoothly, or at least don't expect them to. Despite the intensity of feelings and the attraction, this may not be the person you were meant to be mated with. 

  • Go with your gut reactions, whatever they may be. The brain will catch up later. 

  • Get over any serious obsession. Find passion and purpose within yourself, maintain a sense of humor, give the other person plenty of space. 

  • Dance, then dance some more.

Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-10-19 of Michael Teachings List
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:38:48 -0700 

Message #711 From: Barbara Taylor | The ET influence is not present all the time as the other attributes | are, such as primary casting and the overleaves. Casting is "how" the | role expresses. Not everyone has casting... 

Could you elaborate a bit on that? 

In my experience, rarely are ETs the same role. 

That has been my experience also.

Regards, Dick 
[2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/4.11>]


Subject: Re: ETs and Task Companions 
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:55:04 

Message #712 From: Barbara Taylor <btaylor@itstime.com> | Subject: ETs and Task Companions | | The idea that we have a "happy" relationship with our task companion | with no karma, etc. is a great over-simplification. The job of the | task companion is to help us (or force us) to do our work. 

"Force"? What happened to choice? 

| In some of the books, there seem to be only "one" task companion. Older | souls may have several TCs. These could be connections from other | cycles or people we've grown to know and love over the years. Others | may "act like" TCs for us, so we could have several very close | TC-equivalent folks around us. For example, a TC for our true work, a | TC for our true play, a TC for our true study, etc. 

As I understand it, the agreement with our primary TC (when we have one) is made prior to casting, but we may gain others during our major cycle journey. 

| ETs affect us very strongly and those relationships are not always | "happy" either. A great deal of karma arises between ETs as with TCs | over the long time that we interact with each other. Getting past the | karma is where we develop the deep bonds and see the value in loving | someone in spite of their faults. We've seen them at their worst and | their best, and can accept them as they are. 

Right. We also do many (all?) of the external monads with our ETs, and even though some may be gruesome (Attacker/Victim comes to mind) they do not cause karma. 

| Kay Heatherly is doing a study on ETs, so it will be interesting to see | how her research turns out and what might be learned about what really | happens. 

Indeed. Projected availability? 

Regards, Dick 
[2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/4.11>]


Subject: Re: Our Understanding of Essence Twins | 
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:37:48 -0700 | 

|Message #714 From: egh@halcyon.com (Brin) In my understanding of the concept of essence twins, the word twin can | be misleading precisely because it leads people to believe the two might | be identical. I don't think that is what the term twin is meant to imply | in this case. The two will be cast at the same time, and if I understand | correctly, the frequency, the male/female energy will be like puzzle | pieces to some degree. One might have male/female energy of 40/60, the | other will be perhaps 60/40 or something close to that. One might have a | frequency of 75, while the other has a more grounded 25. In this way and | others like this, they will be twins in that they match up, but are also | different. 

Right. The relationship is complementary rather than identical. 

Regards, Dick


Subject: Re: ET Article (1997-42/721) 
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:26:13 -0700 | 

| Hi everyone! After I have some more time to participate on the list | again I'll write some things about my et relationships, but in the | meantime, Kay Heatherly sent me this article to use on her webpage and I | thought you all might like to read it.... | :) Love, | Lori | | > This is excerpted from the upcoming book Essence Twins...Your Other | > Half?? By Kay Heatherly, M.A., Certified Hypnotherapist & Michael | > Channel. 

I like it! When will it be published? Thanks, Dick


Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:29:27
Subject: Re: ET Article (1997-42/721)

Dick, I'm not sure when Kay's book is going to be published, but she's going to be doing a talk on it at the AMT conference in November. 

Lori


Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:09:48
Subject: Essence Twin Discussion

Here's a response from my friend Karen whose post on ETs several have replied to. Herein she's replying to me and to Ed and Barbara primarily: 

Hmm. You know, you brought up the number of years of been a Michael student, and I haven't thought of how many years I've been reading and pondering the Michael stuff. Let's see...I think a college friend happened to bring my attention to it...okay, I guess that was in 1983, so it's been about 14 years. Good Lord. I didn't think it had been that long. Well, I don't know that I'd call myself a Michael student per se. It's not like I seriously study it regularly every week. But I do have all of Yarbro's books, plus THE MICHAEL HANDBOOK, as well as both the Earth/Tao books, Joya Pope's THE WORLD ACCORDING TO MICHAEL, and the gemstone dictionary. Oh, and MICHAEL the basic teachings. I've read all of them, but I keep getting drawn back to the Yarbro books. I just like the _feel_ of them, you know? They make a lot of sense to me, and always have. It's too bad some of the transcripts were destroyed in that fire. I would have liked to have known what was in them. I guess I just like to read the stuff for myself and try to find the patterns on my own, and see how they apply to real life and what I know of history and my own observations of people. 

So, am I a student? Hmm. I read over a Michael book every month or so and think about it. Well, Kate, you know how I think and analyze stuff. <g> I don't know if that "qualifies" as a "student," since I have no idea how much or how long anyone is required to study to be a student. Am I a channel, as you have suggested? No, I don't think so. Not that I'm aware of, anyway. My overleaves might allow me to be one, according to one of the Michael books, but my chief feature of stubbornness (I assume that's my chief feature, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is, because persistence--or stubbornness--was something my parents admired) would probably put a block on it. I do go into a sort of "flow" as I type about what I've learned of the Michael material that is similar to what I go into when I write fiction or anything else for a long period (especially when I listen to music), but I doubt that constitutes "true" channelling. 

If anyone knows otherwise, I'll be glad to hear it. 

As for the happy relationship with the task companion, in no way did I mean to say that it was always happy, or happier than with the ET. Not at all. It tends to be an _easier_ relationship than the ET one. Hmm. Let me review what I actually said.... 

Ah! I see where the confusion lies. Okay. I was--and I didn't say it, but I meant to--seeing the ET and the Task Companion relationships vis a vis male-female relationships. I KNOW they don't always and in fact RARELY involve being married or even having a romantic relationship. As a result, my initial point was--as Ed said himself--that I don't buy it when I hear that so-and-so's love relationship is necessarily with an ET or TC. And from there I went on to _speculate_ on IF (note the big IF) two people who were ETs or TCs should come together and their purpose was to form a "romantic" relationship, how difficult it would be comparatively. 

Ed said: >>The definitive theory of ETs doesn't seem to have appeared yet. It's complicated by the normal widespread maya by which those of a romantic bent will fantasize or invent a grand cosmic explanation for their attraction to someone or to their great familiarity with someone.<< 

Yes! Exactly. Like I said, while I think it's very romantic and something that's fun to see in a romance novel--FICTION--in no way do I believe that every doggone attraction someone has is with one's ET or task companion. 

Not even half. I think it's far more likely that there's more of a chemical reaction going on. <g> Which is okay, you know? There's nothing wrong with that. Or, there may be an agreement between souls to be attracted to each other in a particular life for one purpose or another. But are they essence twins? Probably not. Probably not Task Companions, either, although I think it's more likely with Task Companions than with ETs, simply because the Task Companion relationship--IF (note the big IF) the task involves a life-long love relationship--tends to be a bit easier than that of the ET one, simply because it tends not to be as frightening. 

For instance, I consider my marriage to be the best thing around that I ever encountered. Are my husband and I ETs? I really, really doubt it. Task Companions? Unlikely, though vaguely possible. I've never asked about it, but I don't think it matters, because I know it's important for me to stick to the business at hand. Will I be sorry if I find out we're not ETs or TCs? Hell no. I've got something _good_, and I'm not so stupid I don't realize a good thing when I see it. :) 

In no way did I say or am I saying that ET and/or TC relationships are always, mostly, or usually love relationships. Like I said in my earlier e- mail, they _can_ be that way, IF and only IF that was what was agreed to, and IF that happens to be the task involved. 

However, anyone who says that maintaining a life-long love relationship isn't a hard task worthy of Task Companion attention hasn't tried being in a life-long love relationship. <BG> It's HARD work, even if it's a nice relationship, and even though we've always worked as a team, more or less. Lord knows it's not day-to-day bliss. It's worth it, though. :) 

>>Every channel has a potential problem every time a couple comes to get a session and asks "are we ETs?"....if they're not, do you want to possibly spoil the romance by saying so? << 

LOL! Yeah, I can see it might be a problem. It could very well be they were meant to be with each other because of an agreement or karma of one sort or another. I get a bit impatient with people who think the only REAL relationship "allowed" is the ET one. For heaven's sake! There is a lot to be said for loving a nice person who happens to step into your life for whatever reason, or no reason at all other than you're attracted to him/her and he/she is nice. It's the same thing as saying, "I will only have a relationship with a blonde, blue-eyed man who is 6'1", exactly 190 lbs, is a lawyer, earns $80,000 a year, and drives a Lamborghini." I mean really. 

You end up missing out on a lot of nice guys that way, and who knows but that blonde lawyer could turn out to be another Ted Bundy. 

I suppose the best thing is to say (diplomatically <g>) that it's up to them to figure it out. Or no! They were _meant_ to explore the relationship for what it is and figure it out themselves. There you go. Sidestep the whole ET question altogether and leave the choice up to them, while still implying that there might be some romance in there anyway. <ggg> <WG>

Sometimes I think it is very useful to be a romance writer. [Karen has published seven romances and has a degree in English.] It's my job to analyze relationships, especially love relationships, and I end up being very practical about it all. I sometimes think romance writers are more practical and clear-sighted about love and relationships than most people, which may explain why (aside from a lot of us being mature souls) we tend to stay in one relationship for a long, long time, and pretty happy in them for the most part. I'm pretty sure it doesn't have much to do with Essence Twins or Task Companions, frankly. 

>>I think some ideas in Karen's writing are off....no connection between ETs and identical twins, at least most of the time, and there's defintiely no reason for or support for the idea that ETs, being identical, would have identical overleaves. They go on their own paths and choose overleaves each life according to their inclinations at the time.<< 

Yikes! No, no! I did NOT say that there was any connection between ETs and identical twins. No, I was just using the identical twin image as an analogy. Nor did I say that ETs have identical overleaves. At least, I don't think I did. Argh. I put it badly, I know. No, what I was saying was that when the ET connection is acknowledged, the tendency is to penetrate through the overleaves to the essence, which is what makes it scary and difficult to endure. And, it was my understanding from the Yarbro books that the essence role is the same. 

Ed also said: >>calendar difference from beginning to end. When I read the book I was impressed by how short most of the lives were, so a friend and I calculated that the average length per lifetime was about 25 years, and it was fairly uniform through the soul ages. <<

 Yes. I had no trouble believing that the average life span was so short. This is consistent with historical records, that is, what records we have of the poor and middle class, which are frankly very few. The rich, of course, tended to live longer, simply because they had more food, better shelter, and warmer clothing. Also, they had servants and so did not die of exhaustion as many of the lower classes did. For the most part, human life has been cruel, brutish, and short. 

I watched Jane Eyre on TV last night, and the massive deaths from typhus, malnutrition, and cold in the orphan school was quite typical (my young son was VERY glad schools aren't like that these days!). This wouldn't happen much at all these days, hence a longer life span in the 20th century than in prior ones. 

However, a lot did occur during that short life span. I remember reading an old newspaper eulogy somewhere about a young man who died at the age of 25. Young, yes? But by that time, he'd been married long enough to have sired 5 children, and was a prosperous business owner and well respected in his community. These days we tend to look at people that age as not far removed from being children. Back then, they were considered very much adult, and that as early as 14 years of age. If you'll recall, there were 10 year old boys soldiering during the Civil War. They knew how to handle guns by that age. These days, we do our best to keep our 10-year-olds away from any knowledge of guns. 

Now, I do find the recitation of lives that Michael gives quite fascinating, primarily because I'm a student of history...and also because it gives me a better appreciation for what I've got in this century now. Despite the fact that I write Regency romances, I well know the what we would view as horrors that existed back then. Except, of course, people back then didn't view them so much as horrors as believed it was part of the normal course of life. It's remarkable how much people can bear. 

Also, it's interesting to see the...course or pattern of lives a particular essence role takes, even though the overleaves change from life to life. 

There's a sort of theme that runs through all the lives, rather like background melody that may submerge into the background or come to the forefront, depending on the emphasis. Sometimes it halts for a life, overwhelmed by the overleaves, then picks up again in a later one. But it's usually there, like a melodic thread. 

Well, I've gone on long enough. I've GOT to get back to my writing. If you want to share any of this with anyone else, go ahead. 

Love, Karen 

Posted by: Kate McMurry


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:23:00
Subject: ETs

 << Most channels I know get ets generally as different roles who usually balance each other in male/female energy and frequency. <<On the other hand, maybe the Yarbro books are in error. Although I would have thought, since they were channeled over many, many years, that this would have been corrected by the third book, or even the present one. Odd.>> 

The channeling stopped coming from Ouija board fairly early on, and yet no changes were made in subsequent books. I think they started using word Server, not slave, too though the change was not noted in books. To me all those capital letters always looked like God Speaks. Maybe that made it harder to correct things and move on. 

<<Ah, well. It probably doesn't matter all that much--what are words, anyway? I'm just a little skeptical about the easy acceptance of essence twins among the New Age community. So many people claim to find their essence twin or soul twin and how smoothly it went and wonderful it is, and I don't buy it.>>

Well, soul mate is not a michael term, ie two romantic partners reaching through time for each other, bound to be together more perfectly each time, lots of longing and completion and admiration and refinement. Oh well........ 

I like thinking of ets as mirrors, people who have gone thru many of the experiences and environments you have, familiar with your reality and often a bit fed up with your perennial shortcomings. You can get a lot of growth and it feels pretty alive and vital and inevitable. But be prepared to duck! 

I find in my readings that people have been involved with their essence twins in some 70 to 90% of their lifetime. Maybe just a teacher for a few years or a grade school friend, or a Gram who died early, or sibling, special cousin, parent, child, neighbor, boss, anything, sometimes romantically involved--maybe 20% but always involved, learning aobut each other, leaning on each other. I think many channels I know would concur with these figures. 

~ ~ ~ Joya Pope ~ ~ ~


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 
Subject: I agree with you...

Not to offend any of the other channels out there but... 

From: "Nina Lee Braden" <nina.lee.braden@worldnet.att.net> Outside of the Yarbro books, I find that the voice of Michael comes through most in Shepherd's books. (I've read 2 of them. He has more, but I've only read 2.) Shepherd's books seem to combine the organization of most of the other books with the voice of the Yarbro books. 

I agree heartily. Nice stroke for Shepherd and I think he deserves it. A quote for your next book, Shepherd... :) 

Love, Seth (still subscribed, but not very involved...)


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:36:20
Subject: Re: ETs

Kate, asked: > So, would you say that the influence of casting is stronger than the > influence of bleedthrough, providing the fragment has both? 

I think the casting is stronger, because it is there all the time. Often, people's casting is what is seen first/felt by channels and by others -- that's how strong it is. The ET influence comes and goes, especially if the ET is incarnate and busy with their own life. It can be drawn upon when needed however. 

> By "experience," do you mean in the clients you've channeled for or the > Michael channelings about the subject you yourself have gotten or people > you know in the Michael channel community have gotten? 

I mean by talking to people about their ET relationships, their role and the role of their ET. 

 Barbara Taylor


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:10:10
Subject: Re: ETs

Kate wrote: > That's fascinating. This seems to be another area about which Michael > channels don't agree, so it's interesting to get multiple input. Both > Kay Kamala and Emily Baumbach have told me they think bleedthrough is > stronger. I'll have to ask Joya what she thinks. > > Does Jose Stevens agree with your take on this? Just curious. 

Jose and Lena are my primary teachers. The "casting" information was in the original books, and I've gone there for clarification, as well as what I've learned in the in-depth classes I've taken with the Stevens. I don't know why many of the channels don't use it. I find that "curious" as well :) 

Barbara


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997
Subject: Re: Essence Twin Discussion 734

Generally speaking, ET's are usually in the same cadre, but in different > entities. They are usually different Roles so that each fragment can have a > fuller experience beyond their own Role, through the "bleed through" effect > of the ET. <snip> The ET relationship is the probably the steepest learning > curve we've got. It's also quite ecstatic and mysterious. It's quite > literally a confrontation with yourself in the form of another human body, > warts and all. > > Task companions are in the same cadre, same entity, and usually have a calmer > dynamic than ET's. > 

This really resonates with me big time. It also validates the work Kate did with me in channeling overleaves. Basically, I did my own overleaves, Kate validated them for me, and also channeled the overleaves of my ET, and said that I had not met my ET. I found it strange that the overleaves she channeled were a dead ringer for my wife, and I stated that must have been the reason I was attracted to her, and wondered if the overleaves of her ET were similar to mine. Kate went back and "got" that my wife and I are ETs. 

Let me tell you, it is difficult and trying and challenging much of the time. There are times when I want to throw up my arms and say f*** it! But I don't. This is not to say there aren't wonderful times, because there are truly magical moments. But it is work! 

Our overleaves, per Kate, follow: 

ROLE: Scholar 
SOUL AGE: 4th level Old 
BLEEDTHROUGH: Warrior, ET living (so we need to get the overleaves) 
Mode: OBSERVATION 
Goal: GROWTH 
Attitude: CYNIC 
Center: EMOTIONAL CENTER, INTELLECTUAL PART 
Chief feature: GREED 
FOCUSED: 55% CREATIVE: 45% 
FREQUENCY: 50 
CASTING: Sage 
IMPRINT FROM MOTHER: Mature 7 Server 
IMPRINT FROM FATHER: Mature 5 Sage 


READING ON YOUR INCARNATE ET:

Soul Age: Old, level 3 
Role: Warrior 
Casting: Priest 
Focused: 45% 
Creative: 55% 
Frequency: 50 
Goal: Dominance 
Mode: Aggression 
Attitude: Pragmatist 
CNF: Stubbornness 
Center: Moving, Intellectual part 
Body type: Martial (what else? <G>)

 John


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:57:19 -0600
Subject: Hello

I have been on the list for several weeks now and, though I have communicated with some privately, this is my first "open" communication.

Part of my hesitation was that I had not and could not find any works on Michael. I finally was able to obtain two books by Yarbro, "Michael for the Millennium" and "Messages from Michael". I hope to find others soon I thought living in Houston that I would have no trouble locating them--probably not looking in the right place.

I am a UCC pastor, somewhat unorthodox, who have been interested in what is now referred to as the New Age Movement since I was a child. Although I have never had any kind of "psychic" experience and find it extremely difficult to "meditate" I do have that such exist.

I have been fascinated with the Michael materials--especially the concept that the soul is a "fragment", although I am not quite sure if I understand the concept full--for instance how "independent" the soul remains.

The latest discussion on Twin Essences has aroused my interest although, again, I am fairly much in the dark about the concept. Does one meet one's ET in each existence, is there a psychic connection between the two?

I know these facts may be basic for many of you but for a "beginner" I am quite puzzled about some of the concepts. I do plan to study and to learn more. Some of your web-sites have been especially helpful.

I am in my early 50s and can assume that my "identity crisis" is my deeper interest in the spiritual and psychic worlds.

Hope I have not been rambling too much, but I did want to let you all know how helpful your messages have been.

Dr. Bill Lanning
Houston, Texas


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:15:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Michael for the Millenium

 

> I ran across this book in Barnes & Noble the other day, and on
> thumbing through it, didn't see much that interested me. Bought a
> shamanism book by Jose and Lena Stevens instead.

 

I have that book, too!

Kate


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:09:07 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Michael for the Millenium

I also have this book. Actually it was the second one I bought, after "Messages from Michael." I was a little disappointed in it initially, but there is some really good information in it and I'm glad I read it. I do agree that I like the overall tone and feel of Michael in the Yarbro books much more than, say, "The Michael Handbook". Don't get me wrong though. "The Michael Handbook" is a MUST for me. The information is invaluable and I refer back to it a lot.

Love and Light,
Lorraine


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:32:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Essence Twin Discussion

So, John, now that you've pondered all the various remarks here about ETs, has it increased your belief in your original insight that your wife is your ET? Sounds like it from your remarks. Do you consider her your "mirror"? Experience a "soul deep" connection that seems to be beyond surface considerations? Etc.?

Kate, the curious <G>


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:00:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Hello Back!

Hi Bill & Carmen!

Welcome to the board! The Michael Handbook is a great reference Book, and Like Lori, I find it most invaluable to "look up" stuff - a quick, easy, well-done reference.

However when first beginning to get a "FEEL" for the material and the "energies" of Michael, I highly recommend the 3 Yarbro Books. Also it eases one into the information in an almost "story form" so it's not so overwhelming with the vast amount of info. The *Handbook* puts it all together - a summation and reference, as I said.

But the reading of the Yarbro books , *Messages From Michael,* *More Messages From Michael,* and *Michael's People* puts it all in a perspective that allows you to FEEL it as it first Came. And THAT"S worth its weight in Gold, IMHO.

LOVE   *   LIGHT   *   PEACE   *   JOY     <3   Pati*   :)


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:08:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-10-22 of Michael Teachings List

I find that if the essence twin is incarnate, living his/her own life, the bleedthrough is relatively minor, although still with signficance. If the e.t. is discarnate, the bleedthrough is strong and about equal in influence to casting, although it has a different kind of impact.

Bleedthrough is actual energy of that role, influencing the way someone looks and feels. Casting is more about how we direct our role energies, what we do with them, the realms in which we act.

So a scholar with a discarnate priest e.t. and 5/5/1 casting, for example, will have a somewhat watered-down inspirational energy (because the priest energy is combined with the primary scholar energy, which is neutral). This person won't really feel like a sage, but might act like one in some respects: he/she might bring those scholarly and inspirational qualities into the media, for example, writing with a sage-like humor (but probably with a lot more detail).

 

<< Part of my hesitation was that I had not and could not find any works on Michael. >>

 

All the in-print Michael books are available through me. You can e-mail me, and I'll send you my brochure. My book, "The Journey of Your Soul," describes all the Michael books in the Appendix--this is also on my web site. BTW, even though "Michael--The Basic Teachings" is out of print, MEF still has stock, and I have some on hand now.

Shepherd


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:28:28 -0700
Subject: re: ETs

Kate wrote:

 

> I'm getting some fascinating feedback on this from various people.

 

Kate,
    I've heard stories also. Several of the original group are still channeling by the way.
    An interesting experiement for anyone to try in a group channeling: have everyone take notes -- as close to the actual words as possible -- and tape record the session. Then compare the written words to what is on the tape. It's amazing how many discrepancies show up. We did this in my channeling group and it provided invalueable insight into our own blocking and varied interpretation.

Barbara


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:35:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Finding the Books

Bill and Carmen,
    Jose Stevens' books are the easiest to find. They are carried at major book chains like Crown and Barnes & Noble, though may not be available at a particular store. Try calling or asking at their counter and they can order them for you.
    Also, check with your local metaphysical book stores. They tend to have more of the the Michael books. If all else fails, call the Chaucer bookstore in Santa Barbara -- they had all of them last time I was there and they will do mail orders via credit card to anywhere.
    By the way, the Jon Klimo book on Channeling is due out anytime, according to Amazon books. I placed an order this week.

Barbara


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:48:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Essence Twin Discussion

 

> So, John, now that you've pondered all the various remarks here about
> ETs, has it increased your belief in your original insight that your
> wife is your ET?

 

Yes.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you want me to elaborate?

 

> Sounds like it from your remarks. Do you consider her
> your "mirror"?

 

I don't know that mirror is a good analogy. Someone mentioned two sides of the same coin. That works better.

Yes, we have felt from very early in the relationship that we are two halves of a whole. In some respects we are very much alike, and in others different. But he differences complement each other. I think the yin-yang symbol is a good graphical description of this.

 

> Experience a "soul deep" connection that seems to be
> beyond surface considerations? Etc.?

 

Very much so. From day one. We met under very strange circumstances, and there was a connection from the first moment our eyes locked. This was not a pick-up situation, and we were not shopping for mates. She was married at the time, and I went to her house as a favor for a friend. My intention was to stay for 10 minutes (long enough to take care of business), then leave. We ended up talking for three hours while her husband sat and listened, and really, felt like an alien.

 

> Kate, the curious <G>

 

Hmmm, where has Dave been hiding? You left yourself wide open for a cat joke there, Kate. And we all know how Dave feels about cats...

Naw, it's just too easy. I'll let it go this time.

John


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:48:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Hello

 

> Part of my hesitation was that I had not and could not find any works on
> Michael. I finally was able to obtain two books by Yarbro, "Michael for
> the Millennium" and "Messages from Michael". I hope to find others
> soon I thought living in Houston that I would have no trouble locating
> them--probably not looking in the right place.

 

Hi Bill,

I thought that living in the liberal northwest that I would also have no problems finding the books, but as you, all I ever see in the bookstores are the Yarbro books. I know that you can order Tao to Earth and Earth to Tao from http://www. amazon.com, and I believe they are priced at 20% off suggested retail. Most of the others you will either have to order through a bookstore, or from the author's websites.

 

> I am a UCC pastor, somewhat unorthodox, who have been interested in what
> is now referred to as the New Age Movement since I was a child.

 

What is UCC? I am assuming a protestant sect?

 

> Although I have never had any kind of "psychic" experience and find it
> extremely difficult to "meditate" I do have that such exist.

 

How do you pray? What are your definitions for prayer and meditation? I find that they can be quite similar, depending on how you define them.

 

> but for a "beginner" I am quite puzzled about some of the concepts.

 

Don't be afraid to ask questions. The other "beginners" here have many of the same questions, I am sure. And the advanced students can often find new meaning in old material by answering your questions for you.

Welcome to the list.

John


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:12:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Expanded View of AMT

I applaud the people who have taken the initiative and done a lot of work to organize the Association for Michael Teachings (AMT) conference. I don't know much about what exactly is supposed to take place there other than a couple of brief statements that have been sent out in the past.

I get the impression that it is basically to function like a trade show for a certain group of channels to meet people, channel a little, and drum up business. This is fine; they take the initiative to create an event that will be interesting and good for business. But I hope we can do better than this.

I would like to see somehow, sometime, the AMT be expanded way, way beyond this. Perhaps it could become the AMS (Association of Michael Students) or a new entity could form using that name.

The basic constituency is the 100,000 or so people in the Michael student cadres, only a tiny fraction of which are now connected with the various groups and activities we think of as Michael-related.

The basic mission would include, at a minimum, all of these functions:

      *Distributing of books, tapes, and information -- anything pertaining to Michael, the teachings, the channels and the students, with no or minimal exclusion.

      *Unifying the teachings, that is, anywhere where there seem to be conflicts between different channels' versions, or where something seems unclear, a group of channels could get Michael to clarify.

      *Organizing and facilitating study groups, lots of them; finding new and different effective ways of presenting the teachings; teaching channeling and validation.**

      *Conferences and social gatherings, first in the Bay Area and then in other places, where students could meet and later, different cadre and entity groups could get together.

      *Anything else which facilitates the students to meet, gather, network, love and support each other, to apply the teachings to our lives, to get out of isolation and loneliness and to joyfully explore and take part in whatever our old soul teaching functions are.

    **In a broad sense, a couple of dozen channels will never be enough for 100,000 students, most of whom haven't yet surfaced. We are going to have to find whole new approaches whereby these people can get their own overleaves, cadre/entity information, and so on, or else learn to channel for each other. The teaching of channeling is readily available in the new age world now. Accuracy and validation have always been problems and we should collectively work on how to do better with both. We're also buried in Maya of all sorts, especially the intellectual kind, and we should often remember to stick to the basics and apply them to living.

I don't have any answers to how we would go about doing all this, but let's at least think expansively. Let's focus on gathering, expanding and strengthening our networks for fun and mutual benefit. Let's change the focus from what it has almost exclusively been -- asking questions of Michael through a channel, or channels providing answers -- to using the teachings, creatively and positively.

All the best, Ed Hamerstrom
(feel free to forward this on to others)


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:58:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Essence Twin Discussion (1997-42/727)

 

| From: Kate McMurry
|
| Here's a response from my friend Karen whose post on ETs several have
| replied to. Herein she's replying to me and to Ed and Barbara primarily:
|
| Hmm. You know, you brought up the number of years of been a Michael
| student, and I haven't thought of how many years I've been reading and
| pondering the Michael stuff. Let's see...I think a college friend
| happened to bring my attention to it...okay, I guess that was in 1983, so
| it's been about 14 years. Good Lord. I didn't think it had been that
| long. Well, I don't know that I'd call myself a Michael student per se.
| It's not like I seriously study it regularly every week.

 

Comment below.

 

| But I do have all of Yarbro's books, plus THE MICHAEL HANDBOOK, as well
| as both the Earth/Tao books, Joya Pope's THE WORLD ACCORDING TO MICHAEL,
| and the gemstone dictionary. Oh, and MICHAEL the basic teachings. I've
| read all of them, but I keep getting drawn back to the Yarbro books. I
| just like the _feel_ of them, you know? They make a lot of sense to me,
| and always have.

 

I would suggest you don't miss Shepherd Hoodwin's _Journey_ (_The Journey of Your Soul_); it's a fine (and IMO necessary) component of a good Michael library. And I agree with you and others who continue to be drawn to the original Yarbro books; there is a certain resonance to the words as they were precisely received.

 

| So, am I a student? Hmm. I read over a Michael book every month or so
| and think about it.
|
| I don't know if that "qualifies" as a "student," since I have no idea how
| much or how long anyone is required to study to be a student.

 

This excerpt from _More Messages_ might answer your question -

I've noticed that Michael calls only a few of us students. What determines the student status in Michael's eyes?

We are aware that many ... are "window shopping" and not seriously interested in pursuing the contacts or the information. There is nothing incorrect in this and we do not for an instant discourage it. Nevertheless, there are those who actively test and validate the information we impart, and they are the ones we call students. Until the validation is undertaken, the recognition of the task at hand and the role information can play in it [remain] more an object of curiosity than a factor in the choices made in the life. /271

 

 

| Am I a channel, as you have suggested? No, I don't think so. Not that
| I'm aware of, anyway. My overleaves might allow me to be one, according
| to one of the Michael books, but my chief feature of stubbornness (I
| assume that's my chief feature, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is,
| because persistence--or stubbornness--was something my parents admired)
| would probably put a block on it. I do go into a sort of "flow" as I
| type about what I've learned of the Michael material that is similar to
| what I go into when I write fiction or anything else for a long period
| (especially when I listen to music), but I doubt that constitutes "true"
| channelling. If anyone knows otherwise, I'll be glad to hear it.

 

Virtually everyone channels "in the background", as it were. It probably depends on one's definition of channeling.

 

| I get a bit impatient with people who think the only REAL relationship
| "allowed" is the ET one. For heaven's sake! There is a lot to be said
| for loving a nice person who happens to step into your life for whatever
| reason, or no reason at all other than you're attracted to him/her and
| he/she is nice. It's the same thing as saying, "I will only have a
| relationship with a blonde, blue-eyed man who is 6'1", exactly 190 lbs,
| is a lawyer, earns $80,000 a year, and drives a Lamborghini." I mean
| really.

 

I agree absolutely - Lamborghinis are =way= too noisy! :^)

 

| And, it was my understanding from the Yarbro books that the essence role
| is the same.

 

Shepherd has a good explanation of essence twins in Chapter 17 of _Journey_. From it -

In _Messages from Michael_, it was stated that six times out of seven, our essence twin is of the same role. In the experience of several other channels, including me, the reverse seems to be true. My channeling indicates that neither view is actually wrong. Those with fewer previous grand cycles usually like to have a relatively "pure" experience of an essence role. ... The channels who find that roughly six out of seven people seem to have essence twins of different roles may be working with those from cadres consisting of essences with a higher average number of previous cycles. /242

 

 

| There's a sort of theme that runs through all the lives, rather like
| background melody that may submerge into the background or come to the
| forefront, depending on the emphasis. Sometimes it halts for a life,
| overwhelmed by the overleaves, then picks up again in a later one. But
| it's usually there, like a melodic thread.

 

That, IMO, is poetry in prose.

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:58:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Michael for the Millenium (1997-42/733)

 

| From: John Rogers
|
| I ran across this book in Barnes & Noble the other day, and on
| thumbing through it, didn't see much that interested me. Bought a
| shamanism book by Jose and Lena Stevens instead.
|
| John

 

I enjoyed the shamanism book. I would describe it as more "earthy" than Michael books but with similar feelings. The description of emotional centering, although not called that, is the most understandable I've found.

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:46:05 -0600
Subject: Dave

John Rogers wondered aloud where Dave might be. Perhaps others of you wonder as well. WWQuintet's computer crashed, and it was a mostly junky one anyway. He's getting a number of upgrades, but in the meantime has been going through some serious online withdrawal, and is having some difficulty focusing as a result. However, rumor has it that he should be back soon, and no doubt his idiosyncratic humor will not have skipped a beat.

Best to all,
Gloria


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:59:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: ETs

In my experience, bleedthrough from essence twin is stronger than casting. I notice this in my own experience. I feel that warrior there behind me, sometime blazing through. My casting would be server. My husband says he never notices server; he does seem to notice and begrudge the warrior. He is server, server et and sage casting, so we do notice the sage since he is very funny.

To me, putting emphasis on casting order often seems only to dilute the power of the roles and not be particularly interesting. Sometimes, as in Duane's case, it does help explain a certain roundness or behavior.

--Joya


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:59:18 -0600

Thanks so very much for the kind and helpful words so many of you extended to me. The references with regard to reading material was extremely helpful.

I have already looked up several references and to find them helpful in obtaining the materials I am seeking. After more studying I hope to be able to be expressive in my comments.

Again, thank you.

Bill Lanning


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:24:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Essence Twin Discussion

John Rogers wrote re: his ET wife:

 

> Very much so. From day one. We met under very strange
> circumstances, and there was a connection from the first moment our
> eyes locked. This was not a pick-up situation, and we were not
> shopping for mates. She was married at the time, and I went to her
> house as a favor for a friend. My intention was to stay for 10
> minutes (long enough to take care of business), then leave. We ended
> up talking for three hours while her husband sat and listened, and
> really, felt like an alien.

 

Wow. I'd love to hear your *whole* story sometime, should you be willing to divulge it. (Maybe not on the list. <G>)

Kate, still curious, but otherwise not very catlike <G>


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:36:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Expanded View of AMT

Ed wrote:

 

> *Unifying the teachings, that is, anywhere where there seem
> to be conflicts between different channels' versions, or where
> something seems unclear, a group of channels could get Michael
> to clarify.

 

Yes, yes!

 

> *Organizing and facilitating study groups, lots of them;
> finding new and different effective ways of presenting the teachings;
> teaching channeling and validation.**

 

Hear, hear. <G>

 

> strengthening our networks for fun and mutual benefit. Let's change
> the focus from what it has almost exclusively been -- asking questions of
> Michael through a channel, or channels providing answers -- to using the
> teachings, creatively and positively.

 

I've found that, whatever system of "labeling" you use, from numerology, to astrology, to Michael, to Myers-Briggs, it takes a certain habit of thinking to use that sort of detailed information about the self (aka "ego") in a grounded, practical, day-to-day way. That is, to be able to actually use it in a manner that allows useful self-insight and self-empowerment. A lot of people I've talked to over the years about this have informed me that they find this sort of "process" work tedious. OTOH, I think most any Role (though certainly not all soul ages) will find getting a channeling a "fun" kind of "gee whiz" experience. Personally, in decades of channeling, I've rarely run across people who use the "gift" of channeled information I've given them to practically change their lives. (Or they make changes which to them seem huge, but to *me*, being in Growth as I am, seem like band-aids. <G>)

When I channel, my Scholar side is always fascinated, but my Priest side gets really irritated with the seeming non-impact for useful change that channeling seems to have on most people. Afterall, the Priest firmly believes *all* channeling should have a transformational effect on the recipients. <G> (These two rarely agree. Often don't get along at all. <G>)

Kate


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:53:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Expanded View of AMT

Dear Kate: Answering your answer...about the long hard work of learning to use any system like Michael or others for practical application to life and self-empowerment: there was a quote I just saw yesterday and can't find, in the Yarbro material somewhere, where Michael said, basically, "we are not teachers of spiritual upliftment; we are teachers about life in the physical plane." Going from that...Michael has some specific useful info for us, but it isn't a substitute for the spiritual upliftment that the past and present priestly ones have to offer. Use Michael, but it isn't meant to be a spiritual path in any usual sense. Most people probably need something additional for the latter.

I heard somewhere that Michael was going to soon be moving into 6th level of the causal plane (can anyone confirm this?) and that their work would be taking a more "priestly" flavor as compared with the scholarly or sagely teaching mode so far. I could speculate that, if that's true, we'll be seeing people using Michael to assist with healing procedures, or perhaps to help students learn to channel healing energy for others. Any feedback on this?

All the best, Ed


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:51:27 -0400
Subject: Re: ETs

Joya Pope wrote:

 

> In my experience, bleedthrough from essence twin is stronger than
> casting. I notice this in my own experience. I feel that warrior there
> behind me, sometime blazing through. My casting would be server.
> My husband says he never notices server; he does seem to notice and
> begrudge the warrior. He is server, server et and sage casting, so we
> do notice the sage since he is very funny.

 

Joya, is your ET incarnate?

How do you feel about the influence of the ET when you've known them intimately as in my and John Roger's case, both of us experiencing marriage with our ET? John has been with his ET five years, and I lived with mine almost three years. My ET was/is clearly a Priest with Artisan Bleedthrough. The Priest has powerfully affected my life. It is extremely strong.

BTW, more input on the ET info in general we are gathering: in Earth to Tao, Jose Stevens says, in the Glossary: "Essence Twin: Soulmate. A fragment who parallels your lifetimes. An intense relationship with the fragment that understand you the most. You each reflect each other's overleaves and essence role." OK, that gives the "mirroring" or "opposite side of the same coin" feel of the ET that several have commented on. But speaking of that influence, how, practicaly, one might ask, can that *happen* when the the ET is disincarnate?

Well, brainstorming an answer to my question, one might say that it works because the disincarnate ET becomes a kind of "guardian angel" or "spirit guide" to us. In that regard, I could see very easily how the influence could be *much* stronger than that of an ET who is incarnate but whom we never meet. If we have an extremely stong (no matter if it is unconscious or unrecognized, in fact, esp. if it is unconscious) relationship with our ET as a spirit guide, we may come to think that the ET's thoughts and perceptions are our *own*. That could account for a very heavy "bleedthrough."

And that brings me back to what I asked Joya about above, the effect when ETs meet in the flesh. Some Michael channels say, and IMO&E, I agree, that probably the strongest bleedthrough experience of all is when you live with your ET. In that sort of situation, it almost feels like *fusing* with the other.

As for casting, the past few months I've been pondering deeply what, in fact, my casting is since my friend Karen (whose posts on ETs I've been placing here) asked me what it was. I had never had it channeled for me. It seems that casting is a concept that many (some?) Michael channels don't understand, and therefore have trouble channeling about. As Barbara so wisely brought up, channels often block out hearing various parts of the teaching/channeling for various reasons (personal fears, prejudices, blocks, what have you). IOW, we can't channel what we don't understand--or agree with. Not without clearing up our hesitancies and confusions first. At least, in my experience this is so.

I'm interested in what Shepherd had to say in his post today about bleedthrough being the "actual energy of that role, influencing the way someone looks and feels" and casting being "more about how we direct our role energies, what we do with them, the realms in which we act."

OK, I was a little confused about the wording (now, Shepherd, don't let this make you even less likely to post since I'm taking you up on semantics, I'm just a picky Scholar with a degree in English who fancies herself a writer--as good an excuse as any for being anal retentive <G>).

Here's what I'm wondering, and let's use as an example for the discussion my Role-Bleedthrough-Casting: Scholar-Priest-Sage. I'm not going to channel any of what I'm saying below, just use a little "logic" and normal "reasoning" working within the framework of what we have put on the virtual table the past few days as our collective information, coming, we assume from Michael, on the whole ET business, with a little questioning thrown in on Casting (which we discussed a bit in the past, but mightwant to go onto again as another area to clarify and unify our understanding about).

BTW, Ed, I'm trying all this brainstorming as an experiment in doing at least one of the things you suggested, finding ways to work with this information without resorting to channeling, an innate ability that not everyone feels confident about using. :) (Of course, the truth is, not everyone is trained in or enjoys "logical reasoning" either and may find this little exercise of mine just as irritating--and arrogant-sounding--as channeling. <G>)

OK, back to my question to Shepherd: is this what your wording means above, to wit that my bleedthrough gives my life the "energy" of the Priest? That my Priest "energy" influences how I as a Scholar look upon my life (how I interpret its events, relationships, my own thoughts and emotions, etc.)? As such, much like the overleaves, it is a specific kind of "overlay" on my Role? (And, BTW, how strong an overlay is it, in comparison with the actual overleaves, I wonder?) Are you also saying (am I hearing this correctly?) that my Sage casting determines how I will direct the energy of my Scholar role?

Hmm. If so, I'm wondering now: How do those two statements mean something different? OK, let's try this. It sounds like from what you're saying that Bleedthrough is an attitude, an "influence on how someone looks and feels" (for you numerology buffs, I'm seeing it as being like the pinnacles in numerology). Casting can be termed to be a tendency of self-expression, "how we direct our role energies" (I see this as very like the expression number--all letters in the birth name--in numerology).

OK, if I'm interpreting the data correctly, and Bleedthrough in fact *is* an attitude, how is it different than the Attitude overleaf which, in the words of MICHAEL: THE BASIC TEACHINGS (MTBT), "determines a person's primary perspective on life"?

Likewise, I ask myself (and all of you), if I am understanding correctly that Casting is a tendency of self-expression, how is it different than the Mode, which, in the words of MTBT, "is one of the most visible overleaves because it determines the primary means of expression"?

OK, brainstorming possible answers to these questions: right off I could say, the obvious way they are different, even if they have similar functions, is that you have different choices for what the Attitude and Mode will be than what the Bleedthrough and Casting will be. The latter are both one of the seven Roles (plus all that cadence placement numbering that, I confess Shepherd, you spell out very precisely in JOURNEY, but is still Greek to me, which is shameful for a numerologist to admit. <blush> and <grin> ).

One might say, continuing the rolling thoughts, that another way Bleedthrough is different from Attitude and Casting is different from Mode is that though Bleedthrough and Casting also "overlay" the Role, are not truly "overleaves" in the same way the Attitude and Mode are because the Bleedthrough and Casting, like the Role, stay the same throughout the cycle, but the Attitude and Mode, like the other overleaves, change from life to life. So, in a sense, one might say that the Bleedthrough is like a permanent, lifetime-to-lifetime Attitude, and Casting is a permanent, lifetime-to-lifetime Mode of self-expression.

So, where does that leave the Role itself? MTBT says that the Role is the "primary beingness or the underlying perception through which the [fragment] chooses to experience its lessons in a cycle of lifetimes." The Role "determines the underlying nature and basic characteristics that a [fragment] will act out in each life." (Aside: it's interesting to note at this time, never really hit me before, that this book uses, very confusingly, IMO, "Essence" instead of "fragment," when it actually *means* fragment. Another point of dissention. Ha. I'm looking at pages 43-44 for those of you who want to read along. <G>)

OK, we're dealing with semantics again, but, hey--words are all we have to communicate with. Also, it is esp. important when dealing with jargon (words that sound like "real" English, but are in fact re-invented ways to use words, new meanings that sound just enough like the real meanings of the words to confuse in most cases), to agree on what exactly we mean by our specialized lingo. :}

At any rate, the words I'm hearing here in MTBT about the Role seem to me to be very similar to what Shepherd is offering for the meaning of Bleedthrough, his words again, a factor "influencing the way someone looks and feels." I may be misinterpreting Shepherd's words, but "looks and feels" to me seems to be talking about *perception*, the "filter," if you will, through which we look at life. (Reminder: I'm not coming to any final conclusions, just brainstorming. :) ) So in a sense, coming full circle, we still haven't agreed on a working definition of Bleedthrough (at least in my mind) that doesn't repeat the definition of Role.

Or have we, somewhat, concluded that Bleedthrough is an influence very similar to the Role, just much less strong?

Joya says:

 

>> To me, putting emphasis on casting order often seems only to dilute
the power of the roles and not be particularly interesting. Sometimes,
as in Duane's case, it does help explain a certain roundness or
behavior. <<,

 

In a sense, at least after I've talked myself this way and that above, one might well conclude that talking "too much" about Bleedthrough and Casting, esp. for "newbies," could very much confuse the force and power of the Role.

OTOH, we haven't even dragged into this discussion yet the force of Imprinting. On Jose and Lena Stephens' website, information taken from the PERSONALITY PUZZLE totally leaves out the force of Bleedthrough and Casting and states that if one is having trouble figuring out the Role it may be because of Imprinting. I think in some cases, the force of Imprinting, at least until the Uranus Opposition (throwing in a little astrology speak here just to confuse the issue <G>, what's the correct Michael term? Midlife Monad?), can be far more powerful than either the Bleedthrough or the Casting. Esp. if one summons up relationships with individuals, ideologies or groups which mirror the Parental Roles (and this is often the case when we come from "dysfunctional" families of origin, IME).

At any rate, to close on a "practical application" note, what I'm finding, since I figured out my Bleedthrough and Casting, is that my whole life, looking back over decades of adult life, makes so much more *sense* to me. This information has been an immensely helpful insight to me to know about both my Priest and Sage influence. I knew from the first I had Schoalr in me (I first channeled I was Scholar in 1994, was told I was really a Sage, and had an interesting time accepting that assessment for three years--I think there was a reason for it). OTOH, it took me a long time to get a handle on my Priest Bleedthrough, mainly because I couldn't seem, for many years, to really get a handle on what the Priest Role is all about. I think most likely because I was only able to hear the negative about it. Because I was not able to take in the positive, and had no conception of it being part of me, I saw no relevance in the information, and my mind blocked it out. Not having the right "jargon" to label that side of me, or a long time, I talked about the Priest side of me in the language my dh came up with a few years ago to encompass that part of me--my world-saver, activist, transformational therapist, catalyst in groups, etc. side--he called it my Sage-Warrior. And in a sense, I think that's an interesting way of thinking of the Priest. All the verbosity of the Sage combined with the warlike side of the Warrior when on a fanatical roll. <G>

Kate, who could keep brainstorming probably forever (and, no, I don't agree this tendency to go on and on about clarifying the details of a teaching is coming from my verbose Sage, but from my verbose Scholar side) <G>

--
Kate McMurry


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:59:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Expanded View of AMT

Ed wrote:

 

> plane." Going from that...Michael has some specific useful info for
> us, but it isn't a substitute for the spiritual upliftment that the past and
> present priestly ones have to offer. Use Michael, but it isn't meant to be a
> spiritual path in any usual sense. Most people probably need
> something additional for the latter.

 

I would have to agree that no one teaching can serve as the Be All and End All, esp. for eclectic Old Souls. <G> But I will say that of all reincarnation theories I've been exposed to in this lifetime (and we all have seen a lot trotted out, esp. since the 60s), the Michael Teachings seem to me to be the most organized, logical, rational, and compassionate I've seen. As Michael suggest, I have been testing out the teaching constantly over the years since I found it for its practical application (I am a Pragmatist with strong, strong Warrior imprint so I do this automatically with every bit of info that comes to me <G>). I usually "wear out" a teaching long before this, usually a few years, tops, if I'm deeply immersed. But this teaching seems to hold up like the proverbial Everready Bunny. <G>

 

> I heard somewhere that Michael was going to soon be moving into 6th
> level of the causal plane (can anyone confirm this?) and that their work would
> be taking a more "priestly" flavor as compared with the scholarly or
> sagely teaching mode so far. I could speculate that, if that's true, we'll
> be seeing people using Michael to assist with healing procedures, or
> perhaps to help students learn to channel healing energy for others. Any
> feedback on this?

 

That would be interesting. I work with a lot of other entities for healing. Haven't tried it with Michael.

Kate


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:39:05 -0700
Subject: Re: More on ETs, etc.

    Kate posed many good questions about how ET influence, imprinting and casting works. Let me give some examples from my experience:
    I'm a 3rd level old Priest, Scholar casting, Artisan ET. Overleaves: Intellectual/Emotional trap, Observation, Pragmatist.
    The priest part explains my counseling work, ability to manage large projects, do team-building, manage people with deep compassion, be very politically astute (also a 6th entity feature), see beyond today to the future and get to the heart of people's issues quickly. I had a favorite boss many years ago who I believe was a priest and he was a mentor for me for many years.
    The scholar part is part of "how" I express my priestlyness in this life time -- I write a lot and I have a need for expression. The neutral overleaves emphasize the scholar part. I also use graphics a lot in my writing and in developing training programs, and the Internet work I do.
    One of my favorite consulting jobs was where I did board presentations and overheads, etc for more than a year and really got to "play" a lot with color and images. In that assignment, my priest part got to mentor and coach the department head in her first management assignment. My husband and I built our home back east, so I got to decorate, build, etc...lots of artisan stuff. That said, however, most of my work with creativity in this lifetime is information about creativity, rather that raw creativity itself as it has been in other lifetimes.
    The 3rd level and my extensive warrior imprinting (mother, step-father, grandfather and ex-husband) gives me the ability to work in the young soul business world and focus my energy in directed ways when I need to. My life task is to work with the younger souls and help them learn more mature ways, so it helps a whole lot to be able to function in their world. I also have lower frequency than many priests (about 63%), which makes me more grounded.
    As for people seeing those things: I've often been mistaken for a scholar; no one has ever mistaken me for an artisan in trying to "guess" roles. From Joya' comments, it seems that the ET or casting influence is stronger or lighter in a particular life, depending on the goals set, etc. So it makes sense that people would experience it differently.     I don't feel my artisan as a guide consciously...I do feel it get excited and alert when I'm doing anything related to color, art, pictures, creating, etc. I use drawing to help me get in touch with my emotional side and work on creating my future. I can feel the presence then very strongly as a support surrounding me.
    This is really good work, folks :)

--
Barbara Taylor

"There will be a time when you believe everything is finished. That will be the beginning" Louis L'Amour


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:32:23 +0000
Subject: Using Information

 

> OTOH, I think most any Role (though certainly not all soul
> ages) will find getting a channeling a "fun" kind of "gee whiz"
> experience. Personally, in decades of channeling, I've rarely run across
> people who use the "gift" of channeled information I've given them to
> practically change their lives. (Or they make changes which to them seem
> huge, but to *me*, being in Growth as I am, seem like band-aids. <G>)
>
> When I channel, my Scholar side is always fascinated, but my Priest side
> gets really irritated with the seeming non-impact for useful change that
> channeling seems to have on most people. Afterall, the Priest firmly
> believes *all* channeling should have a transformational effect on the
> recipients. <G> (These two rarely agree. Often don't get along at all. <G>)

 

This is true of information received from all sources, and not just channeling. The bottom line is humans are resistant to change. We are fascinated with fantasies of our lives being larger, richer, more fulfilling, but for the most part aren't willing to do the work, however miniscule, to get there. The two primary reasons for this are a natural resistance to change, and the social conditioning of the 7-ll instant gratification world we live in. Our motto is "Give me convenience or give me death," and many of us are quite literally killing ourselves. We continue to stumble through life, sleepwalkers in a candy store. We consume whatever is in front of us at the moment, gorging ourselves on the fabricated and processed sweets society offers, and contually become sicker and sicker. We are asleep, we are blind, we are addicts. Given this state that the vast majority of our population exists in, do you really expect more than a microscopic percentage of the people you do readings for to actually use the information? I listened to an Anthony Robbins seminar on cassettes and he opened by saying <paraphrased>, "Congratulations on playing this tape. Only two percent I think this was the figure, but could be wrong> of the population will actually purchase this type of material in an effort to change their lives. Of that two percent, only ten percent will actually crack the cover of the book, or play the tape. And of those few people, only two percent will actually do anything with the information they receive." I am sure the numbers he quoted are not exactly the same as I presented, but you get the idea.

Marianne Williamson talks about this too, but in another context. She says , "Speak your truth, and those who need and will use the information will find it. Don't let money be the motivator for writing your book, making your movie, playing your music. The motivation must be to share your truth, or the truth won't be present."

Without taking into consideration the influence of your overleaves, which is kind of what we were talking about, go inside and let your truth emerge. When that truth emerges, stay within the positive poles of your overleaves, and communicate it as you will. Being upset that all of the recipients aren't using the information is ego. Your priest doesn't need to be a televangelist.

John


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:51:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Using Information

Oh, the sweet madness and glorious sadness the ego thrives on! It is true!

Lorraine


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:44:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Michael on healing (was Re: Expanded View of AMT)

On 23 Oct 1997 Ed wrote:

 

> I heard somewhere that Michael was going to soon be moving into 6th level of
> the causal plane (can anyone confirm this?) and that their work would be
> taking a more "priestly" flavor as compared with the scholarly or sagely
> teaching mode so far. I could speculate that, if that's true, we'll be
> seeing people using Michael to assist with healing procedures, or perhaps to
> help students learn to channel healing energy for others. Any feedback on this?

 

That's very interesting Ed. I hadn't heard it before, this 6th level part....but as soon as I started channeling Michael, they showed me a spiritual-healing technique right as I was channeling. I call it the diamond-integration and what it does is bring in this "diamond" of light that was above the person I was channeling it about, down from above their head into their heart. Michael told me that it was like seating the soul, and when allowed to grow there by the person, it would assist and accellerate their spiritual healing and growth. The experience is always pretty intense for me doing it as well. The love vibration that comes through feels so incredible to me. I could stay there for hours! :^) So to me, that's what Michael's been all about this whole time--about healing the spirit.

And Kate--on your massive brainstorming--you go girl, heheh. ;-) Anyway, I've always made the distinction between Essence and fragments this way (now this is MY way, not necessarly in agreement with the other channels) : Essence is your total being as an individual separate (but always connected) from your entity--it is also your Higher Self. Fragments are all the pieces of your essence that it sends into incarnations, all 50 to ~300 or so that you may have, spanning the whole time of human (and/or extraterrestrial sentient being) lifetimes that you have in a cycle. Your Essence then may have many concurrent lifetimes, because each life is a fragment of Essence. Well I could elaborate more into the multidimensional side of this but, let's save it for another topic.

As far as bleedthrough and casting go, I still question which part of casting is supposedly the strongest? Is it the greater cadence number, the minor cadence number, or the position within the cadence? I got channeled for me that my greater (major--49 essences) cadence is server, and the minor cadence (set of seven essences) is priest, and my position in the cadence is artisan. I also have artisan ET bleedthrough. Artisan feels very strong in me. I know my ET, we had a very short, too-good-to-be-true, fairytale-like, perfect beyond comprehension romance when I was 21 and he was 20. It took one date for us to really recognize each other and know we'd always loved each other and had known each other for what felt like (and probably is) thousands of years. Anyway it must have been too intense for him because he called it off within a few weeks and I almost let myself die over it, but my stubbornness was too strong, heheh. (I DON"T NEED YOU!!! is what it said, amidst much anger, depression, wondering why, rage, unworthiness, sadness, disappointment, dispair, and resignation.) Yeah threw me a martyrdom loop too. But anyway, I'm pretty much over that, but it was probably the deepest wounding I'd had--and when it's your ET that does this, other people really don't understand, because it doesn't fit their model of how relationships are supposed to look. They can't believe someone you've just known a few weeks could make you feel like that and they tell you to get a grip or something, but it's just not comparable to anything else I guess. Well a few years later I married my husband Sal who is a lot like my ET, an artisan/scholar, but it's not so intense, more peaceful and comfortable...but his artisan-ly talents always amaze me and I love the artistic and useful things he thinks of and creates. I love being around artisans, art, music, all sorts of creative things....I get really depressed when I have no outlet for my artisan/creative side. When I found out I had priest casting, that was really interesting, because I'd never really come to terms with that kind of like Kate was saying. The descriptions in the Michael books certainly didn't seem to fit me, but I can see how I like to get preachy and how I've spent a lot of my life trying to supress that side of myself, undermining my own trust of my intution and power. But there is that wanting to "save the world" type of theme that's always run underneath everything somehow.... I have a lot of server imprinting from my mother, but somehow it never quite felt like "me." Priest make more sense.... :)

Well, just some more brain-storming for you... ;^)

Lori


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:57:01 -0600
Subject: Oops!

In my last communication I forgot to explain what UCC meant (since several of you had asked). UCC stands for United Church of Christ-a merger of Congregational-Christian and Evangelical and Reformed in 1957. We are regarded as a liberal denomination with emphases on social and political issues. We range the spectrum of religious and philosophical thought--from conservative to universalism. As with most denominations, our clergy are generally more liberal than our members.

The conversation concerning ETs is extremely interesting.

Bill


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:22:21 -0400
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Essence Twin Discussion]

Here is my friend Karen's replies to people who replied to her posts. :)

Kate

Kate, here are my replies to what you forwarded--I assume the comments were from Dick Hein?

 

>> I would suggest you don't miss Shepherd Hoodwin's _Journey_ (_The Journey
of Your Soul_); it's a fine (and IMO necessary) component of a good
Michael library. And I agree with you and others who continue to be
drawn to the original Yarbro books; there is a certain resonance to the
words as they were precisely received. <<

 

I will look for this book; I have see a couple of Shepherd's posts and they seem very full of good sense.

 

>> Nevertheless, there are those who actively test and validate the
information we impart, and they are the ones we call students. Until
the validation is undertaken, the recognition of the task at hand and
the role information can play in it [remain] more an object of curiosity
than a factor in the choices made in the life. /271 <<

 

<scratching head> Okaaayyy.... Actively test and validate. Hmm. Well, I like to _think_ about the Michael teachings a lot, but I'm more of a "practical application" sort of person...in other words, I like to think about theories and hypotheses IF they seem to have potential for practical application, because I like to see if and how they apply to my life and those of others. I've always seen patterns of behavior in people and their lives for as long as I can remember. Well, people have always told me their life stories, is why. Hence, my attraction to the Michael material; it seems to have practical applications, and I like to see how it might fit in my life and in that of others. There are distinct patterns of behavior that I have seen that seem to correspond to the Michael material.

Certainly, it's useful in analyzing fiction. Important, that, especially since the type of fiction I write deals heavily with human relationships.

 

>> Virtually everyone channels "in the background", as it were. It probably
depends on one's definition of channeling. <<

 

Hmm. I have difficulty in separating what I make up and what might be channelling. I don't know the "signs." A few times I've tried automatic writing (via typing, since I'm a fast touch typist), but upon looking back on it, I can't help wondering if I just imagined it--and I have a VERY active and vivid imagination. I hesitate calling every bit of blather that erupts from my subconsious "channelling."

There are a lot of times, though, that while I am writing one of my historical romances, I'll come to a part where I have to describe the inside of a house or landscape or whatever. Just as I'm wondering what it really looks like (and not really want to break my writing flow), the image will pop into my head and I'll continue writing...only to find out later when I actually do the historical research it that it's exactly as I described. Probably some past life stuff. I seem to remember quite a bit of that from time to time.

 

>> I agree absolutely - Lamborghinis are =way= too noisy! :^) <<

 

No kidding! LOL!

 

>> "pure" experience of an essence role. ... The channels who find that
roughly six out of seven people seem to have essence twins of
different roles may be working with those from cadres consisting of
essences with a higher average number of previous cycles. /242 <<

 

This makes sense to me! Thanks!

 

>> | There's a sort of theme that runs through all the lives, rather like
| background melody that may submerge into the background or come to the
| forefront, depending on the emphasis. Sometimes it halts for a life,
| overwhelmed by the overleaves, then picks up again in a later one. But
| it's usually there, like a melodic thread.

That, IMO, is poetry in prose. <<

 

Why, thank you. You should see my books--they're even better. <wicked grin>

<sigh> I see all of this is from a Michael internet list...now I'm very curious and want to join the list! But dang it, I have to finish this book first! I know I'll get distracted and start discussing things, and that will never do. Later, later!

--Karen H.


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:54:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Shepherd
Subject: Re: Kate's discussion

 

<< OK, back to my question to Shepherd: is this what your wording means
above, to wit that my bleedthrough gives my life the "energy" of the
Priest? That my Priest "energy" influences how I as a Scholar look upon
my life (how I interpret its events, relationships, my own thoughts and
emotions, etc.)? As such, much like the overleaves, it is a specific
kind of "overlay" on my Role? (And, BTW, how strong an overlay is it, in
comparison with the actual overleaves, I wonder?) Are you also saying
(am I hearing this correctly?) that my Sage casting determines how I
will direct the energy of my Scholar role?
Or have we, somewhat, concluded that Bleedthrough is an influence very
similar to the Role, just much less strong? >>

 

I'd go along with the latter statement. Your role energy mixes with some of the energy of your bleedthrough role, if different, and you come out looking somewhat like a blend, although your role is the dominant energy.

Casting isn't like mode to me. Mode is about how you run your personality's energy (aggressively, cautiously, etc). Casting is more about where you put your role qualities (both your role and your bleedthrough). If you have sage (5) casting, you put your scholar/priest energies to work in the domain of the sage, such as media. It makes you a scholar/priest who dominantly studies and inspires in the communication realm (not necessarily professionally). You can work alongside a bunch of sages and carry your own. You are a scholar who also needs to disseminate the information you collect. There might be a sagely flavor to your style, but you won't really feel like a sage to someone who knows what a sage is like, even if you sometimes act like one.


Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:51:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Expanded view of AMT 2

Here are some additional thoughts on an expansive view of AMT, or an association of Michael students (AMS) if that were to happen.

The grand bottom line is that we open up all the possible ways by which the Michael students of the various cadres and entity groups and any other kindred spirits who have a connection with them can meet, connect, network, fulfill agreements and karmas, love and support each other, do our thing as old soul teachers, and generally have a good time for mutual benefit.

There is one problem in the current reality that interferes with this. The various channels have different databases and mailing lists of their clients and contacts. For the most part the channels do not share their lists. There are different formats for Michael overleaf charts and many variations of the details that are included in charts. I would like to see many channels, not just the small group in the AMT committee, come together in good will and figure out how they could work together to serve the whole broad student community. Specifically:

1) to be able to reach a combined mailing list of any and all Michael students who want to be on it; so announcements of an AMT conference, for example, would go to more than just the clients of the channels on the AMT committee..

2) to figure out how to unify different versions of cadre/entity and casting numbering. Michael I'm sure can help.

3) to figure out how to rise above issues of personalities, politics, money or karma. It's about time for the Yarbro and Orinda factions to kiss and make up. It's about time that the many channels and students not closely tied to the Orinda lineage should be recognized.

Let's all hold a positive and expansive view that the above will happen and is doable, however it all works out, because no one's purposes and intentions are counter.

All the best, Ed Hamerstrom


Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:36:52 +0900 (JST)
Subject: Another one!

Hi,

I subscribed to this list nearly two weeks ago and have been lurking in since then with great interest. It's about time I introduced myself to this wonderful bunch of people.

Briefly, this is me:

* Jose Caldeira (actually Jose Augusto Caldeira, shortened for practical reasons).
* Age 51, born 20 December 1945 (a Sagitarian, Six including present age)
* Brazilian, originally from Minas Gerais state (Eastern Brazil), university studies in Rio de Janeiro, where I lived for 15 years, before coming to Japan in 1979.
* Married to and separated from a wonderful Japanese; a lovely 6.5-year-old daughter, Erina.
* Professionally, a mixed bag, combining photography, journalism, translation, and narration and copywriting in Portuguese.

A very good friend referred me to the SpiritWeb mailing lists where I could find like-minded persons, being a Michael student. I am posting this same message to all three lists that I have subscribed to (Abundant Living, Michael Teachings and Spirit Communication).

My choice of those three lists reflects to a large extent what keeps my mind busy at the moment.

I do not promise intensive participation, but I will be always present.

Anyone else living in Japan? I live in Shiki, Saitama Prefecture, close to Tokyo.

Love to all,

Jose


Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:32:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Casting strength

In my experience, a person's position within the cadence is the strongest, most immediate casting influence. The cadence's position within its greater cadence (7 cadences) is less strong. The greater cadence's position within its string of greater cadences (however many there are) of a particular role is the weakest (as far as I know, I'm the only channel who even includes that third number on my charts).

The Yarbro people, and some others, use three casting numbers, the first being the number of the entity, the second being the cadence's position within its greater cadence, and the third being the position within the cadence. They do not list which cadre the person is in.

One's entity number is certainly influential, in a strong yet general way--it indicates the overall sweep of the soul, so to speak. For example, my entity is 3/2 (the second entity of what I get as the third cadre, and what most channels call the first cadre). My entity's members tend to be bold and expressive, due to a high number of sages, and intrinsically creative, due to being in the artisan (2) position within the cadre. Many, but not all, members are outrageous and flamboyant.

The negative poles of the numbers still basically follow the other patterns of negative poles, in that all are more limited or incomplete experiences of that vibration--they are less desirable. It's just that numbers are abstract, so the poles are also abstract.

For example, the positive pole of 3 is enterprise; the negative is versatility. Of course, there is nothing wrong with being versatile, but in this context, it refers to having the capability of being enterprising without actually accomplishing that. The number 5, +expansion, -adventure: you can have an adventure without experiencing expansion, but if you achieved expansion, you probably also had some sort of "adventure" along the way to get there.

I found Kate's discussion on jargon interesting. Much of the Michael teachings jargon originated with the Gurdjieff teachings, since Sarah Chambers, the first Michael channel, and her group had all been in Robert Burton's Gurdjieff group in the late 70s. That's how we ended up with terms like "chief feature." Michael was moving the group from the known to the unknown, but ultimately, "chief feature" may not be the best word. As a result of discussion on this list, I'm changing it on my charts to "chief obstacle." The word "chief" lets current students know that it's the same as "chief feature."

I'm constantly warning new students that every term in the Michael teachings has a more specific meaning than in its common usage, so they shouldn't jump to conclusions about what their chart means.

 

<< I hope it can provide at least an initial start for further brainstorming
on the topic of an eventual overhaul of the Michael Teachings into one clear,
unified set of jargon with succinct, meaningful, "official" definitions. >>

 

That's a good, idealistic idea, but I doubt you'd get everyone to agree.

Shepherd


Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:49:52 -0400
Subject: ETs, Casting Expanded View of AMT

Lori Tostado wrote:

 

> And Kate--on your massive brainstorming--you go girl, heheh. ;-)
> Anyway, I've always made the distinction between Essence and fragments this way

 

Thanks, Lori! And thanks for the input on Essence!

 

> in the cadence is artisan. I also have artisan ET bleedthrough.
> Artisan feels very strong in me. I know my ET, we had a very short,
> too-good-to-be-true, fairytale-like, perfect beyond comprehension
> romance

 

Thanks for talking about your ET. I can totally relate, having loved and lost my own. :(

 

> When I found out I had priest casting, that was really interesting,
> because I'd never really come to terms with that kind of like Kate was saying.
> The descriptions in the Michael books certainly didn't seem to fit me, but
> I can see how I like to get preachy and how I've spent a lot of my life
> trying to supress that side of myself, undermining my own trust of my
> intution and power. But there is that wanting to "save the world"
> type of theme that's always run underneath everything somehow.... I have a lot
> of server imprinting from my mother, but somehow it never quite felt like
> "me." Priest make more sense.... :)

 

Maybe doing a complete reading looking at all the underlying stuff (see my post attempting this) might reveal some other Priest influences on you?

Kate


Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:20:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Expanded view of AMT 2

Ed wrote:

 

> Here are some additional thoughts on an expansive view of AMT, or an
> association of Michael students (AMS) if that were to happen.
> 2) to figure out how to unify different versions of cadre/entity and
> casting numbering. Michael I'm sure can help.

 

Ed, I loved your whole post and want to make my contribution to getting the ball rolling on the above point. Here it is:

SUBJECT: CLARIFYING MICHAEL TERMINOLOGY

Turning to page 176 of JOURNEY OF YOUR SOUL, there is a table listing the "positive" and "negative" poles of the numbers 1-7. On page 181, Shepherd quotes Michael from the Michael-Math chapter of MORE MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL (at least I think so, it is not footnoted). Unfortunately, that book is out of print and I don't own it, so I couldn't get information on any of the numbers except for what Shepherd quoted on Two, which is Balance/Stability. After closely studying the quote on that pairing, however, I was still confused, so I'm not sure if the book would help me become clear enough so that I could concisely and logically explain these terms so a client (or even a fellow Michael student).

A problem that Shepherd points out in JOURNEY is that in the rest of the teaching, speaking of overleaves here, when we talk about "positive" and "negative" poles, we are definitely talking about "desirable" vs. "undesirable" expressions of the overleaf. Unfortunately, here with the numbers 1-7, Michael have chosen to violate their previous meaning of "positive" and "negative" by re-defining it thus: the "positve" quality of the number is "a larger, more expansive experience of the number" than the "negative" quality. (This implies the logical, opposite corrolary that the "negative" quality is a "smaller, more contracted experience of the number" than the "positive" quality.)

BTW, this is a very good example of something from the "original" channelings that badly needs to be "updated" with Michael's help. This is a potentially *very* useful area of the Michael "chart" that rarely gets used by a lot of channels because it is so confusing. For that matter, IMHO, the recently channeled Nine Needs information is another area that needs to be clarified, for a similar reason. Both the Michael Math and the Nine needs recycle jargon that Michael has used elsewhere, and very significantly (meaning the former usage sticks very strongly in the mind), and rather arbitrarily assigns that old jargon a new meaning. As a result of this confusing repetition, the contribution to our understanding these unfortunately named "aspects" might potentially provide is strongly inhibited.

I don't like to complain without offering a possible solution, so here it is (and this might be a good first item to put on the agenda of the new Michael Association):

Why don't we establish some ground rules for clarifying the language (jargon) of the Teachings (not the content, the names we give to the content, IOW). That is, for both channelings of the past and any future or present channelings of Michael information.

FWIW, my bias is that of a background as a university business writing teacher and professional technical writer. Here are the cardinal rules of functional jargon-laden writing (which the Teachings definitely are):

Rule Number One: Establish your terms, define them, and *never* use those terms any other way than the established definition.

Rule Number Two: Never substitute a synonym for a jargon term--even if it is one you used as part of your formal definition of the terms (see Rule Number One). The temptation to break this rule is very strong, because normally, in "good" writing, we don't use the same word over and over. We look for synonyms to break up the monotony. Jargon-laden speech and writing, however, is a whole different ball game. It is not about "good" (interesting) writing. It is about clarity in conveying unusual concepts.

Rule Number Three: Never define a jargon term using the word itself (example, defining the "Expression Axis" as "a tendency to express rather than do"). This is one rule that applies to regular English as well. The purpose of defining is clarification. You can only spell out what a word means by giving examples of several words, or phrases, that mean the same thing.

Comment on selecting/creating jargon: We are incredibly enamored of jargon in this culture. Other words for jargon are "slang," "colloquial expressions," "medical terminology," "computerese," and so on. Teenagers invent (or recycle) slang to set themselves off from adults. Every profession has its own "speak" in order to, ostensibly, talk about specialized, rarified concepts, but with a secondary goal of confusion (if you don't speak clearly, you don't have to take responsibility for what you are saying when called on it), and power (if I use words you don't understand, it makes me feel a whole lot smarter than you).

IMO, Michael jargon is frequently so confusing and off-putting, it has a very strong tendency to summon up all the "power plays" of every other "professional" jargon in this country. Such as: only the "intellegent" who have "studied very, very hard, for an extremely long, expensive, arduous time," are allowed to become one the "initiated" who are privy to the "inner mysteries."

In reality (this is my psycho-linguistics background speaking, and if you never thought I was a Scholar before, I'll bet you don't doubt it now <G>), the method of selection of jargon terminology in this country has a method to its madness. And any channel who is part of this culture who is channeling Michael will be affected by it. Here are some ways to get new words (and some methods by which past, current and future channels might or will come up with jargon):

--Make up the term wholesale. This is done a lot in marketing new products. Brand names often get circulated in our culture (much to the dismay to the owners of the trademark) as words which stand for the product. For example: "xerox" for "photocopying," and "kleenex" for "facial tissue." A really famous made-up word in use for decades in the New Age community is Robert Heinlein's "grok" from STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND.

--Borrow a foreign term which means the same thing as the English generic term for your concept, product or service. For example, there are endless products and businesses serving women that have "femme" (the French name for woman) in their name. Doctors and scientists make up words using Greek and Latin words. Some computer and engineering terms are formed this way, too. And legal terms are Latin.

--Use someone's name to create a formal name for a condition or scientific discovery, e.g., "Hodgkin's disease," or as the basis for an informal, slangy adjective, e.g. "Goldwynism."

--Turn a noun into a verb, or vice versa, or reverse a prepositional phrase and make a word out of it. An example of turning a verb into a noun and also doing a cute reveral is "input," a new noun created by doing a reversal of a verb, "to put in." The computer world is famous for this kind of jargon creation.

--Make a spin-off of other jargon. For example, once the word "input" was created, in no time at all, its opposite became, "output."

--Use standard English in non-standard ways. For example, "to vary" is a verb meaning, "to change." The adjectival form is "variable," or "changeable." Scientists pre-empted this regular, English word and use it to mean "an event which has an effect on an outcome."

In examining the jargon in the Michael teachings, the latter method for creating jargon seems to be the predominantly favored one. At least, so far. All of the above methods for creating jargon have drawbacks, but since they don't, currently, apply to our situation, I'll just talk about the drawbacks to redefining standard English words.

All "regular" words in English have either (or sometimes both) negative and positive connotations. So if you want the constituency (in this case, Michael students) sharing your jargon to have a non-judgmental (neutral) or positive attitude about a concept, you would do well not name it using a word that has a predominantly negative connotation. In this regard, I assume that because of the extremely strong negative connotations of Slave, Retardation, Rejection, Stagnation and Repression, this is why they were changed over time (by everyone but the original Yarbro group who channeled them) to Server, Reevaluation, Discrimination and Flow, terms with neutral to positive connotations in standard English.

Having said all the above, I hope it can provide at least an initial start for further brainstorming on the topic of an eventual overhaul of the Michael Teachings into one clear, unified set of jargon with succinct, meaningful, "official" definitions. This project could be in the form of an "encyclopedia" or "dictionary" put out by the new Association.

As one part of that process, drawing on my side-by-side post today on Michael Math, I have a specific suggestion to make about revising the terminology for what is currently termed the "negative" and "positive poles" of the numbers 1-7. We might want to call the information this applies to something else that suits it more. One possibility is to use terminology that already exist that it more closely resembles, the Axes. IMO, the two characteristics for each number that Michael has given are qualities that lie along a continuum similar to the Axes. And like the Axes, they are about degree of inward and outward expression. What is now seen as the "negative" pole is very like the Ordinal Axis, it is personal and introverted in its function. Especially when compared to the "positive pole" characteristics which are similar to the "upper" or Exalted Axis. The latter, like the currently labeled "positive pole" 1-7 number characteristics, is more group- and other-oriented, that is, more extroverted, than its opposite end, the Ordinal.

BTW, for you astrology buffs, in its flavor, the definitions Michael has given us for the numbers 1-7 very much reminds me of the way that the functions of the lower houses in astrology both parallel and expand into the functions of the upper houses (e.g. 7th house's functions are an expansion in a more public arena of the personal functions of 1st house).

It's also possible we may want to re-think (ask Michael to re-channel) the terminology used for the paired descriptors we now have for numbers 1-7. IMO, many times the words chosen for the "positive pole," the expanded end of the continuum, are more "contracted" in their connotation than the words which are chosen for the "negative pole," the supposedly contracted, more personally-expressed end of the continuum. For example, for Scholar/Four, "Consolidation," a contracting word, is used to denote the expansion pole of Four, and "Achievement," a word whose connotation involves expansion, is used to denote the contraction side of Scholar/Four.

Kate


Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:26:09 -0400
Subject: Michael Math and Axes

Thanks for your feedback in both those posts on Casting, Shepherd!

I'd like to get into the Michael Math you talk about in JOURNEY OF YOUR SOUL in the Casting chapter. I did a long post with a lot of questions about it back in August which may have been forwarded to you, and, if so, I hope you and the List members can forgive any redundancy here. But based on the discussion going on here the past few days about Bleedthrough and Casting, I'd like to try again to do a Math reading using my chart. I know a bit more now than I did then, due to my studies and conversations here, and this time I'd like to employ *all* the "underlying tendencies" to a chart. That is, not just the Math, but the Axes, e.g., "ordinal" and "expressive." I want to figure out how all that "background noise" affects an overall reading so I can make an educated decision about using that information in readings I give to others in the future.

BTW, I'd appreciate comments from everyone on the list, should you have any, no matter how "little" you think you know about Michael readings. :)

KATE'S OVERLEAVES:

5 - Old Soul
6 - Level 6
4 - Role: Scholar - Assimilation, Neutral
6 - Bleedthrough: Priest - Inspiration, Exalted 5/5/2/4 - Casting:
5 - First Position: Sage (Position in Cadence) (Expression, Exalted)
5 - Second Position: Sage (Cadence Position in Greater Cadence)(Expression, Exalted
2 - Third Position: Artisan (Greater Cadence Position in Entity) (Expression, Ordinal)
4 - Fourth Position: Scholar (Entity Position in Cadre) (Assimilation, Neutral)
3 - Imprint Mother: Warrior (Action, Ordinal)
5 - Imprint Father: Sage (Expression, Exalted)
6 - Goal: Growth (Inspiration, Exalted)
4 - Mode: Observation (Assimilation, Neutral)
4 - Attitude: Pragmatist (Assimilation, Neutral)
7 - Attitude: frequent slide to Realist (Action, Exalted)
7 - Impatience (Action, Exalted)
2 - Emotional Center
3 - Intellectual Part
Creative/Focused = 45/55
Frequency = 65 (Priests and Artisans tend to be high frequency--I wonder if this doesn't increase my pull toward my Priest side?

The next logical step in doing this kind of reading seems to be to count up the amount of each number, 1-7, and order them by importance of their influence. The problem was, I haven't heard anyone talk about this particular area of doing a Math reading in any of my Michael books or tapes.

Forging forward, anyway, by employing my "logical" side, it made sense to me to "weight" the numbers as follows: If itís in a highly influential position, I gave it more "weight" than a number in a less influential position. Of course, it is clear (esp. since our discussions of the past few days), that the ranking would need to be tailored from reading to reading for relative importance of the influence of the Bleedthrough and Casting. As Shepherd brings up in JOURNEY, the amount of influence of each of the Cadence positions can vary in strength depending on such factors as doubling of numbers (e.g. 5/5/3 or 2/4/4), and especially with tripling of numbers (6/6/6). There is also the particular emphasis of the 1 (Server) number, which can strengthen the force of other numbers (as in 2/2/1 or 4/1/1). And the strength of the influence of Bleedthrough can vary, as we've discussed, depending on if the ET is incarnated or not, or we have spent time with our ET in the flesh.

BTW, I didn't include in this particular ranking the aspects that have no number, the unchanging, non-overleaves about "energy," Creative/Focused and Frequency.

RANKING OUTLINED. Keeping these caveats in mind, here is my proposed ranking, the lowest number being the most influential, the highest number being, relatively, the least:

(1) Role, (2) Bleedthrough, (3) First Position Casting (your Role/Number Position in your Minor Cadence), (4) Soul Age, (5) Imprinting (Jose and Lena Stevens seem to feel that this is an extremely important influence and I tend to agree--as such, I feel it should be assigned a Michael Math number and ranked in importance of influence rather high on the list), (6) Second Position Casting (Role/Number Position of your Minor Cadence in your Greater Cadence), (7) Third Position Casting (Role/Number Position of your Greater Cadence in your Entity) (8) Overleaves, Goal, Mode, Attitude, CNF, Center, (9) Part of Center, (10) Overleaf frequent slides, or second overleaves (such as second a commonly occurring second CNF), (11) Level, (12) Fourth Position Casting (Role/Number Position of your Entity in your Cadre).

Because there were several numbers that had the same amount of aspects, in employing this ranking system to, in turn, rank the influence of the numbers 1-7 in my chart, I needed to average the rankings of all aspects for each number. So for the overall ranking, just as for the basic aspect ranking, the lower the averaged number, the higher the influence. This was very helpful in coming to my final ranked list of number influences.

RANKING OF NUMBER INFLUENCES IN KATE'S CHART

5 Four numbers, Old Soul (4), first Casting position in Minor Cadence (3), second Casting position (6), Imprint from father (5). Average 4.5.

4 Four numbers, Role (1), Mode (8), Attitude (8), Fourth Position Casting (12). Average 7.25.

6 Three numbers, Bleedthrough (2), Goal (8), Level (11). Average 7.

3 Two numbers, Imprint (5), Part of Center (9). Average 7.0.

2 Two numbers, Emotional Center (8), Casting third position (7). Average 7.5.

7 Two numbers, CNF (8), Attitude frequent slide (10). Average 9.

Not being able to work effectively with the positive/negative pole descriptors (see my separate post today on this topic), I found myself going back to the role meanings for the numbers to come up with interpretations. This I could relate to since the meanings for the roles when used in Casting seems somewhat consistent with how they normally appear in the originally channelings about Roles.

OTOH, I *really* want to find a way to work with the descriptors because they create a vital, added dimension of subtlety to the reading I'd like to take advantage of. For example, the added information about the meaning of one position, purpose/simplicity, layered on top of what we previously knew about the Role of Server, which is in the one position, is a fascinating subversion of Server into something new. Shepherd talks about this and some of the other influences throughout his Cadences and Numbers chapter, but I tend to need to see everything laid out in a very linear, direct fashion, in tables and the like--it helps me memorize (and grasp) all the complexities. I'll have to try and do that for myself.

Anyway, back to my analysis: having ranked the numbers, I see a pattern arising of 5-4-6 as a primary underlying number influence in the chart with 3-2-7 in a fairly equal, lesser position of influence. My comments follow:

SAGE/FIVE. With so much underlying 5 influence, this may well explain why many people look at me and see a Sage. And why I've spent a great deal of my life engaged in Sage-like pursuits (public speaking, teaching, dance, writing as both a form of personal, emotional release/expression and as an art form, my use of humor in speech, formal and informal, and in my writing).

SCHOLAR/FOUR. With the Actual Scholar Role, plus three other four influences, this would seem to strongly bolster my Scholar Role as well.

PRIEST/SIX. With the Priest Bleedthrough and two other six influences, this would also seem to strongly increase my Priest tendencies.

OK, looking at the underlying bolstering of all three of my major "aspects," the Scholar-Priest-Sage, this begins to clarify for me why it has taken me so long (and other Michael channels, too) to figure out which is of most importance this lifetime (and whose needs/demands of the three I should pay most attention to). They all are very strongly reinforced, with the most to the Sage, next to Scholar and third to Priest. In thinking of "right livelihood," it seems I will need to listen to all three and keep them all happy. :}

WARRIOR/THREE & ARTISAN/TWO & KING/SEVEN. These secondary influences seem to be about equally strong, but the method I used for ranking them seems to, at least for my chart, be accurate. I feel all of their influence, and I feel them, the most, in that order.

AXES

The next part of the chart, in terms of underlying influences, I wanted to address is the axes:

Action/Ordinal 1
Action/Exalted 2
Assimilation/Neutral 3
Inspiration/Ordinal 0
Inspiration/Exalted 2
Expression/Ordinal 1
Expression/Exalted 3

Commenting on one side of the equation first:

Action: 3
Assimilation: 3
Inspiration: 2
Expression: 4

Expression appears the most in my chart, but not by much. I have an equal amount of Action and Assimilation. I have the least Inspiration "aspects," but not by much.

Expression. The definition of Expression is a tendency to emphasize relationship over accomplishment, feeling over doing. People with a lot of Expression would tend to be natural mediators and connectors who bring people together. I'd like to suggest that a possible shorthand way of referring to this aspect is that Expression people are "Emotion" people.

Action. People heavy on Action are "doers;" they are down-to-earth, grounded and have an innate ability to organize. They are direct and "hands on" in their approach to life. They are able to physically/concretely accomplish a lot. They are very sensuous, enjoying the body and the pleasure the Physical Plane has to offer. The shorthand for this aspect might be that Action people are "Body" people.

Assimilation. This aspect invoves an insatiable thirst for knowledge and a desire to digest and retain it. As a result, a person heavy with assimilation "talent" can become a resource of knowledge for others. You could say that Assimilation people are "Mind" people.

Inspiration. This aspect is concerned with nurturing others, but in a special way. It has a strong spiritual component with an orientation toward the whole, the welfare of the larger community, up to and including the planet and the universe. Inspiration involves being a "citizen of the world." The compassion it expresses is more universal than personal. More of a Mother Theresa (missionary) energy than a Good Ol' Mom (home-service) type energy. Inspiration people can be described as "Spirit" people.

INTERPRETATION: There is a very strong pull in four directions here--that is, I am not clearly weighted in the direction of any one of them. This can, in the positive, indicate a lot of balance and flexibility--the innate "talent" of being able to "be all things to all people," and I see some of that in me. It may, in the negative, explain why I've been described since childhood as the "man who gets on his horse and rides off in 50 different directions." This pull in four directions also may serve to amplify my Scholar trait of being interested in almost everything. That is, I can relate to (and therefore pull in data on) almost any subject. So, another (positive) way of interpreting a chart showing equal balance between the four axes is to say that it gives you a tendency to be a "Renaissance person."

The next part of the Axes is:

Ordinal: 2
Exalted: 7
Neutral: 3

In this area, there is a clear emphasis: I'm overflowing with Exalteds.

Exalted. The meaning of Exalted is a tendency to be extroverted, to be comfortable working within, and even leading, groups of people, small and large. People heavy with Exalted influence are likely to get involved in pursuits like teaching, preaching, healing, and organizing groups or businesses--all of which I have done in this lifetime. Those who are strongly Exalted will very likely not be comfortable working in subordination to others, esp. those who are predominantly ordinal. This certainly applies to me. I'd rather go out on my own, or, if forced to be in a group situation, I automatically find myself in the position of leader, either official or unofficial. Having become exhausted with that sort of karmic game over the years, at this stage of my life, I tend to avoid groups like the plague. :}

Neutral. I have three of these. Neutrals can flow to either exalted or ordinal. Because I have so many Exalteds, it is very possible there would be a pull for the flow to go in the exalted direction when not resting in neutral. OTOH, a tendency of nature to encourage balance might mean that, many times, the urge would be to either stay in Neutral, a resting position, to recover from the exhausting pursuits of Exalted activities (a tendency I strongly see in me), or to flow the other way entirely into Ordinal.

Ordinal. I have only two Ordinals in my chart, making it a far lower influence than Exalted. The meaning of Ordinal is pretty much the opposite of Exalted. It is a tendency toward introversion, a preference for close or intimate ties as opposed to dealing with large numbers of people. People with heavy ordinal influence will tend to be withdrawn, even invisible, in a group situation, especially large groups. They structure their lives around their internal experiences and their relationships with their intimates and will have more experiences in this area than those who are primarily exalted.

INTERPRETATION: One thing I can say, is that I am certainly *not* ordinal in this way: I find it almost *impossible* to stay invisible within a group. I have certainly spent a lot of my life in Exalted type activities. OTOH, I clearly see my Neutral side in that I have been extremely reclusive, except for internet relationships, since my Uranus Opposition around age 39. I am very Ordinal in the sense that I am always seeking very close, intimate connection in my relationships. Even in groups, my awareness is always on individuals, trying to make sure everyone is comfortable, that no one is experiencing rejection or shame or fear. (BTW, this dynamic is, I've been very relieved to discover, very different online. Here I don't have to worry about being empathically swamped with others' feelings, so my protective side is less hypervigilant.)

Kate


Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:30:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Using Information

John Rogers wrote:

 

> > When I channel, my Scholar side is always fascinated, but my Priest side
> > gets really irritated with the seeming non-impact for useful change
> > that channeling seems to have on most people. Afterall, the Priest firmly
> > believes *all* channeling should have a transformational effect on
> > the recipients. <G>
>
> This is true of information received from all sources, and not just
> channeling. The bottom line is humans are resistant to change. We
> are fascinated with fantasies of our lives being larger, richer, more
> fulfilling, but for the most part aren't willing to do the work....We
> are asleep, we are blind, we are addicts. Given this state that the
> vast majority of our population exists in, do you really expect more
> than a microscopic percentage of the people you do readings for to
> actually use the information?
>
> poles of your overleaves, and communicate it as you will. Being
> upset that all of the recipients aren't using the information is ego.
> Your priest doesn't need to be a televangelist.

 

That's exactly what my Scholar and Sage sides keep saying. <G>

BTW, this is one of the great benefits of really getting your Michael reading nailed. You get a very strong sense of what directions you're being pulled in, and how and why. That way you can plan out exactly how you will respond, rather than just emotionally reacting. I love that. (Well, my Sage-Priest aren't as fond of it as other parts.... <G>)

Kate


Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:35:18 -0400
Subject: ETs, Casting, Imprinting

Barbara Taylor wrote:

 

> Kate posed many good questions about how ET influence, imprinting and
> casting works. Let me give some examples from my experience:
> I'm a 3rd level old Priest, Scholar casting, Artisan ET.
> Overleaves: Intellectual/Emotional trap, Observation, Pragmatist.

 

Thanks so much for giving examples from your chart. That's very helpful!

 

> The 3rd level and my extensive warrior imprinting (mother, step-father,
> grandfather and ex-husband) gives me the ability to work in the young
> soul business world and focus my energy in directed ways when

 

The only 3 I have is the Warrior imprint from my late YS mother, but this has been very useful to me indeed. Like you, I can survive in the YS business world (though I hate it).

 

> As for people seeing those things: I've often been mistaken for a
> scholar; no one has ever mistaken me for an artisan in trying to
> "guess" roles.

 

My bleedthrough is Priest, but no one has ever guessed that as my Role, either.

 

> From Joya' comments, it seems that the ET or casting influence
> is stronger or lighter in a particular life, depending on the goals
> set, etc. So it makes sense that people would experience it differently.
> I don't feel my artisan as a guide consciously...I do feel it get
> excited and alert when I'm doing anything related to color, art,
> pictures, creating, etc. I use drawing to help me get in touch with
> my emotional side and work on creating my future. I can feel the
> presence then very strongly as a support surrounding me.

 

Very interesting addition to the ET discussion--thanks a lot!

 

> This is really good work, folks :)

 

I love brainstorming. <G>

Kate


Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:57:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-10-25 of Michael Teachings List

Kate:

 

<<< The next logical step in doing this kind of reading seems to be to
count up the amount of each number, 1-7, and order them by importance of their
influence. The problem was, I haven't heard anyone talk about this
particular area of doing a Math reading in any of my Michael books or
tapes. >>>

 

    It's on my web site -- click on Michael math. There is a tremendous amount of information coming through constantly. It's shared by the channels in classes and in their work with individuals. Many, many tapes are available, as are quite a few newsletters.

--
Barbara Taylor


Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:39:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-10-25 of Michael Teachings List

Barbara Taylor wrote:

 

> particular area of doing a Math reading in any of my Michael books or
> tapes. >>>
> It's on my web site -- click on Michael math.

 

Thanks. That's very helpful. :) Will go right now and check it!

 

> There is a tremendous amount of information coming
> through constantly. It's shared by the channels in classes and in
> their work with individuals. Many, many tapes are available, as are quite a
> few newsletters.

 

My mentor, Kay Kamala, who's on the "board" or whatever it's called for the new Michael Assoc. with Jose Stevens, Sarah Chambers, Emily Baumbach, et al., gave me some e-mail addresses to write to for information on Casting and the numbers. No one responded and Kay herself had no more suggestions to make. I then called Jose's office was told by his secretary (I assume that's who she was, didn't sound like Lena) that they had no tapes on the subject. I contacted the huge Michael tape list that's online (about 20-30 pages of info when you print it out. They said they had nothing, couldn't see anything.

If you have any concrete leads as to who exactly has a specific tape or newsletter on the subject, I'd be extremely delighted to hear it. Thanks!

I know there's info on casting in More Messages from Michael and Michael's People, but I haven't been able to get hold of a copy, anywhere, of these out of print books. Unfortunately.

Kate


Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:47:06 -0000
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-10-26 of Michael Teachings List

Hi Folks,
Writing from Winnipeg Canada in the throws of the arctic winds and snows. I dont know why I was drawn here twenty seven years ago from Scotland. I have met many warriors in my entity some good some not so good. However I feel a responsibility to protect and understand their dilemnas and mine. I think I am a late mature warrior who has had a long history of fighting and battles and I want to change it around and get on track for more peaceful lessons. Am I out to lunch? I need a reading and have many questions. I enjoy the chat line interesting views. Alexander.


Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:55:19 -0800
Subject: Re: Michael Math

Kate,
    This is from the web page:

Other references:

There is more detailed information on Michael Math in the books:

    Tao to Earth (chapter 5)
    More Messages from Michael (chapter 8)
    Journey of Your Soul (chapters 10 and 11)
    Colors for each role can be found in The Michael Handbook (page 78).
    Music information can be found in Tao to Earth (chapter 9).
    Frequency and Male/Female energy can be found in Tao to Earth (chapter 12).

--
Barbara Taylor


Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:06:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Shepherd
Subject: Re: Adding up casting numbers

Knowing the casting number of each Michael chart influence is useful. Adding them all up and prioritizing them also sounds like it could be useful, but it's important to remember that every trait operates in a different part of self, so everything is important on its own level.

Certainly role is the single most dominant trait, especially in a person who is manifesting essence. Imprinting might appear to be the most dominant trait in, say, a child who is being heavily imprinted to act contrary to his/her role; OTOH, imprinting may have little additional relevance to a sage, for example, whose primary imprinting was from a sage mother, or who didn't allow him/herself to be heavily imprinted in the first place.


Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:24:05 -0800
Subject: Re: ETs (1997-42/756)

 

| From: Kate McMurry
|
| BTW, more input on the ET info in general we are gathering: in Earth to
| Tao, Jose Stevens says, in the Glossary: "Essence Twin: Soulmate. A
| fragment who parallels your lifetimes. An intense relationship with the
| fragment that understand you the most. You each reflect each other's
| overleaves and essence role." OK, that gives the "mirroring" or
| "opposite side of the same coin" feel of the ET that several have
| commented on. But speaking of that influence, how, practicaly, one might
| ask, can that *happen* when the the ET is disincarnate?
|
| Well, brainstorming an answer to my question, one might say that it
| works because the disincarnate ET becomes a kind of "guardian angel" or
| "spirit guide" to us. In that regard, I could see very easily how the
| influence could be *much* stronger than that of an ET who is incarnate
| but whom we never meet. If we have an extremely stong (no matter if it
| is unconscious or unrecognized, in fact, esp. if it is unconscious)
| relationship with our ET as a spirit guide, we may come to think that
| the ET's thoughts and perceptions are our *own*. That could account for
| a very heavy "bleedthrough."

 

As I understand it, that is exactly what happens.

 

| As for casting... It seems that casting is a concept that many (some?)
| Michael channels don't understand, and therefore have trouble channeling
| about. As Barbara so wisely brought up, channels often block out hearing
| various parts of the teaching/channeling for various reasons (personal
| fears, prejudices, blocks, what have you). IOW, we can't channel what we
| don't understand--or agree with. Not without clearing up our hesitancies
| and confusions first. At least, in my experience this is so.

 

In some cases the channel may be just not interested in such intellectual type material, especially if their 3rd center is intellectual.

 

| OTOH, we haven't even dragged into this discussion yet the force of
| Imprinting. On Jose and Lena Stephens' website, information taken from
| the PERSONALITY PUZZLE totally leaves out the force of Bleedthrough and
| Casting and states that if one is having trouble figuring out the Role
| it may be because of Imprinting. I think in some cases, the force of
| Imprinting, at least until the Uranus Opposition (throwing in a little
| astrology speak here just to confuse the issue , what's the correct
| Michael term? Midlife Monad?),

 

Fourth internal monad.

 

| can be far more powerful than either the Bleedthrough or the Casting.
| Esp. if one summons up relationships with individuals, ideologies or
| groups which mirror the Parental Roles (and this is often the case when
| we come from "dysfunctional" families of origin, IME).

 

Agreed.

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:25:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Essence Twin Discussion] (1997-42/764)

 

| From: Kate McMurry
|
| Here is my friend Karen's replies to people who replied to her posts. :)
|
| Kate
|
| Kate, here are my replies to what you forwarded--I assume the comments were | from Dick Hein?
|
| >> Nevertheless, there are those who actively test and validate the
| information we impart, and they are the ones we call students. Until
| the validation is undertaken, the recognition of the task at hand and
| the role information can play in it [remain] more an object of curiosity
| than a factor in the choices made in the life. /271 <<
|
| <scratching head> Okaaayyy.... Actively test and validate. Hmm. Well, I
| like to _think_ about the Michael teachings a lot, but I'm more of a
| "practical application" sort of person...in other words, I like to think
| about theories and hypotheses IF they seem to have potential for practical
| application, because I like to see if and how they apply to my life and
| those of others. I've always seen patterns of behavior in people and their
| lives for as long as I can remember. Well, people have always told me their
| life stories, is why. Hence, my attraction to the Michael material; it
| seems to have practical applications, and I like to see how it might fit in
| my life and in that of others. There are distinct patterns of behavior that
| I have seen that seem to correspond to the Michael material.

 

If that isn't testing and validating, I don't know what is.

 

| >> Virtually everyone channels "in the background", as it were. It probably
| depends on one's definition of channeling. <<
|
| Hmm. I have difficulty in separating what I make up and what might be
| channelling. I don't know the "signs." A few times I've tried automatic
| writing (via typing, since I'm a fast touch typist), but upon looking back
| on it, I can't help wondering if I just imagined it--and I have a VERY
| active and vivid imagination. I hesitate calling every bit of blather that
| erupts from my subconsious "channelling."

 

Undoubtedly not =every= bit from your subconscious is channeling, but probably more of it is than you realize. One of the characteristics of channeling is that it seems to be your imagination. In fact, your "imagination" is the mechanism by which you receive information when you actively channel.

As for background channeling - our guides are feeding us stuff all the time, and all we have to do is listen for it.

 

| There are a lot of times, though, that while I am writing one of my
| historical romances, I'll come to a part where I have to describe the
| inside of a house or landscape or whatever. Just as I'm wondering what
| it really looks like (and not really want to break my writing flow), the
| image will pop into my head and I'll continue writing...only to find out
| later when I actually do the historical research it that it's exactly as
| I described. Probably some past life stuff. I seem to remember quite a
| bit of that from time to time.

 

An excellent description of channeling, IMO. With practice one learns to feel when the information is solid/right/valid.

 

| <sigh> I see all of this is from a Michael internet list...now I'm very
| curious and want to join the list! But dang it, I have to finish this
| book first! I know I'll get distracted and start discussing things, and
| that will never do. Later, later!
|
| --Karen H.

 

Uh, so what are you doing now? :^)

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.

 


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