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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:07:20 -0600 (MDT) On 11 Aug 1997, Aida Rodriguez-Parnas wrote:
Ack.... and a quick note from the Right Use of Willer: that detached state is responsible for all of the problems in the Feel free to disagree, it's just my view... Love, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:39:35 -0600
(MDT) On 11 Aug 1997, Lori Tostado wrote:
Yes, I did. Let me say up front that I suffer from terrible suicidal ideation and depression. It comes and goes but is always around, and Michael couldn't help with it (we tried) and Shepherd tried to me with it, and whatever relief I found was temporary at best. I've since realized that this is part of my path, that I am healing through depression. Suicide is a escape for me, a way to run away... even though I know it would be short lived and I'd have to come back again... I've tried medication, BTW, and therapy is crap (don't get me started, I have HUGE issues with the mental health industry...) Currently, I'm unable to work, and am lucky enough to have brothers and other family who support me... Some days are fine, many are dark and painful. I cope on a day to day basis though, and I do feel healing occur after the dark stuff is felt into. Depression is my way of tapping that huge store of long held emotions, and it's a pretty full closet of pain for me.
This whole thing is the essence of RUOW, Lori. The details are important too, and sometimes it's the subtle judgements that slip in that are the problem, but overall, sounds good to me.
Well, I can see and agree with you, and so does RUOW, that moving everything in someone's else presence isn't always good. There must be space for it to be received or it can be harmful to yourself or others.. Good luck on the judgement release... that is another crucial element of RUOW. God recommends using statements like "I forgive myself for beleiving for so long that....emotions were bad or good." etc...
Darn close. Let me clarify by saying that Spirit (soul/essence) can pull out but Body and Will (body and emotions) stay behind.. and pull us back. Spirit is able to leave for a time, but Body and Will stay and suffer through death, and eventually, Spirit is forced to come back again... magnetically pulled here...
Like I said, This is one aspect of Michael that I think is cosmic "after the fact" supposition. What if parts of us ARE trapped and the 'higher' parts feel this pull and tell themselves it's by choice, it's just a game... etc? There are people who feel trapped, heck, I beleive I chose to be here and STILL feel trapped.
Right, you weren't going to be able to leave, until you liked it here. In other words, enjoy the prison, cause we can't break you free of the ball and chain. :) The whole ascension movement of 'moving toward light beings' smacks of body denial and Spirit once again leaving what it doesn't like behind and going to a 'higher' plane...
I hope so too. The survival chakra is the only that has kept me alive so far, cause I'm not able to override it... In fact, just discovered today the new RUOW book (number 7) coming out in the next month or so, is called "Imprinting: A Survival Manual for the Healing of the Chakras" Looking forward to it.... Love, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:23:19 +0200 Hi there from South Africa, My name is Gay and I have been involved with the Michael Information since way back in 1979. However I have been truly committed to the Michael Group since November 1995 when I started getting together the Michael information, to teach, channel and present the information to the public at large. (Would you then guess that I am a 7th level old Sage in the mode of Passion with a goal of Growth?) If you would like to visit my web-site which deals with the Michael information in a rather light-hearted way then try: http://www.icon.co.za/~entrance/ You can also see how Michael arrived in South Africa - officially!! We have three groups studying the Michael material at present - all at my home!! I research all 21 books on the Michael teachings and do a computer presentation which highlights the information as viewed from all the different channels aspects and then we as a group, make the knowledge practical by putting in our own comments from a South Africa viewpoint. For example at one stage we might divide up into roles and find out what has been previously channelled about each role. Then we see how that information applies to us in particular. Perhaps we might discover that certain facts pertain more to us as we were growing up than now. However, each role then has a spokes-person who "presents" the qualities of that role to the rest of the group. We then get valuable insights on how that role likes to be treated or how we can get the best out of a particular role from this information. We really enjoy our Michael Meetings and after the presentation and tea we then get down to channeling Michael in person. At present I am the only one who brings them through but we are looking for back-up channels or those that feel committed enough to go further. Each computer presentations has three levels: First for those who haven't read a Michael book but have been dragged along by a friend! Second for those who need a little support now they have read a book or two and are a little swamped with the information. Third for those who really need to get their minds into overdrive in order to deal with the more complex ideas of Michael. This is why I have replied to you Seth. You wrote:
Shepherd was my first real contact with the different Michael channels and I did some work at a distance, on his Cat Agape - he too kindly acknowledged my help in a letter to all his friends, as a clairvoyant from South Africa. I used to be BIG into Michael Math, and if anyone has any questions about, I'm probably a good person to ask. This is where we really need the help. I have recently joined the list but caught the tail end of the discussion of Kenneth Broom and Lori Tostada on Cosmology. I too am slightly confused. Each entity can be made up of between 800 - 1500 essences. Each Greater Cadence is made up of 49 essences. For easy maths sake, lets say 50. Therefore each Entity must contain between 16 and 30 Greater Cadences. However, at present I am only channelling Greater Cadences 1 - 7. Where on earth are the rest? And like Kenneth and Lori mentioned, with 6 billion people on earth we should be seeing at least just under 1,000 Cadres of 7,000 Entities but we are only coming up with about 25 Cadres. Where are the rest of the Cadres - or more to the point are the Cadres we are picking up the ones containing those who are active in some way where the others aren't? Any comments on this aspect would really be appreciated from any list member who has insight where I am lacking. Ciao, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 04:18:59 -0600
(MDT) On 11 Aug 1997, V.G. Avice du Buisson wrote:
Would NEVER have guessed (wink wink) The way you've organized the whole thing, I'd guess Sage, sounds almost theater like....
Agape, his cat, is a sweetheart. (pronunced A-gah-pee, not a-ga-pay) Little cute thing... Been a long time since I saw it's ugly little mug.
You know about the archive on the website right? You can catch the missing stuff there...
That's not quite true... remember everything is 7's BUT everything isn't 7s all the time. I used to wonder this and I asked a long time back and basically as I remember the answer, (don't quote me), that higher cadences were there, but 'looped' back, in other words, think octave: 12345671234567 etc... the exact number is getable but the michaelmath effects aren't very strong at that point, because most 'octaves' are unfilled. In other words, Being in the 3rd of an incomplete group of 7 isn't nearly as much 3rd as being in complete group of 7, and most entitys aren't a full 7 by 7 by 7 by 7 etc... setup. The octaves aren't 100% at the top, so they don't have much real effect. so maybe the 'real' number is 10, but you might get 3rd greater... this also accounts for some of the overlap that different channels get when they channel the same numbers for 2 people: they are both sorta right, but are missing the exact answer... the different flavor between the 'true' 3rd and the 10th/fake 3rd would be subtle... because the 10th would be 3rd but slightly more ordinal.
The Michael Answer: Those cadres who are 'active' in the world (both as michael students, and as movers and shakers) tend to fall into a smaller group of cadres based on overall 'cycle experience' and agreements to be 'in charge' of the planet... (this is all from memory, and it's been a while, so if someone can validate this, please do...) My own perspective is a bit different, because I believe in massive fragmentation,and think that many of the people on Earth today aren't real. They are fragmented bits of essence caused over time, and they aren't 'full' people, just mirror reflections. So Michael picks up on the real people's 'position' and sees that, and strangely enough, they all tend to fall into the first 'chunk' of cadres, because all 'real' people fall into that. so 25 cadres * 7 entities * 8-1500 essences = 150,000 to 250,000 essences... and all the rest of the 'people' we see are fragments of fragments so to speak. Like I said, that's MY view... YMMV (Your mileage may vary) Love, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:47:13 -0400
(EDT) In a message dated 8/10/97 1:44:54 PM, you wrote:
Could you elaborate? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:00:53 +0800 Seth; Thank you for your prompt reply to my post - one post and already I've got much to think about. My Sage wife also was amused by (probably your refreshingly blunt tone) and in agreement with your reply. I suppose I was playing up the humour using my CF of self-deprecation when I wanted the removal of the Emotional Centre. Lighten up, guys (you too, Kenneth) - humour is not illegal yet, paltry though the effort was. From my own experience to this point (33 years into this incarnation), it seems that Scholars and the emotional centre make a painful combination - Sagey partner made the supposition that perhaps we Scholars aren't able to cope with the emotional centre until the old soul cycle. She had this idea that leaving the dealing with "that" centre until the old soul cycle makes it that much harder to deal with because we have little experience of it until then. I don't know if that's entirely accurate, but it does have a certain resonance to it. Certainly feels that way...... Okay, Seth - I'll jump into the fire; "stillness isn't necessarily the answer. Flow is." How do you slip into that flow? Crying and screaming, move your body - the latter has worked on rare occasions but it always ends there - I'm still blocked after - and the dissonance within builds.....Cycling, surfing, guitar playing, reading, writing, a walk in bushland, karate, doing dishes, housework, doing nothing, working in the garden, chopping the wood, study - all of these, either singly or various combinations thereof, used to work but nothing does now - and the dissonance builds.....My partner has run out of ideas, and so have I.....She has always been one for flowing (she does it brilliantly), and I admire that deeply - I try to pick up clues and insights as to how she does it and how I can adapt it for myself - no such luck. So I look for stillness, in the hope that the flow will come gently from stillness (still waters run deep, etc.)....And still the dissonance within builds..... There must be a way - something I haven't seen, something that I'm missing - Sonny PS - Kenneth; thanks for your contribution too - right after I read your reply, I geniusly hit 'delete' instead of 'save as'..... Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:12:53 -0600
(MDT) anther misdirected post. Forwarded to the list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To list Members - Greetings, I hope my attempt to send to the List as well as reaching Seth is effective this time. I have resent my previous email which I think only went to Seth. As a Sage, I like to try and do it myself and making the mistakes is all part of the learning process. Here's Arrogance sliding into Self Dep!! COMMENT TO: Seth, you are an absolute star for replying so quickly - and I had to reply immediately!!!! What a welcome to a list. Seth commented: My reply: Thank you for this - I did not know and I am not sure if the address to find it on would be http://www.spiritweb.org/michael-teachings/ I am very new to this list thing and am just trying to find out how to do it without causing too many ructions! I originally talked about the entity makeup: Seth wrote: Gay wrote: Seth wrote: My other question was: Seth wrote: My own perspective is a bit different, because I believe in massive fragmentation,and think that many of the people on Earth today aren't real. They are fragmented bits of essence caused over time, and they aren't 'full' people, just mirror reflections. Gay wrote: Seth: Gay: What I am seeing in South Africa, channeling charts of the students of our Michael group and their families is that there seems to be some who group together in similar Cadres and Entities where others are the inspirational light all on their own. Sort of like paving the way for others to follow. Love, Your help has been just what I needed - thanks for the time you took to help and I wonder if anyone else has any comments. Much love, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:20:49 -0600
(MDT) On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 Owowoski@aol.com wrote:
I could go on for a long time on it, and barely scratch the surface. This idea is crucial to the concepts of Right Use of Will. The Gap is the Gap between Spirit and Will, Male and Female, Mind and Body, and almost every other split you can find. It is full of the denied emotions of the universe, and has been there from the start, and it is only now being healed and felt into. Before now, it has twisted everything that was meant to be into forms full of unlovingness and pain. It was caused when God first denied his own feelings, his own female side, because it hurt to feel it, and instead of embracing it, it was smacked into the darkness, forming a gap between them. We have all recreated this gap, because we didn't know any better, this is what God taught us was 'right' to do. I'll send you my Right Use of Will intro package I made up, which is just the online bits and pieces people have already written, stuff about the books, and the mailing list address (anyone else who wants it, email me) Love, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:22:59 -0700
(PDT) Gay, welcome and to answer your queston about the archive..... (And welcome to other new members who've de-lurked--I'm sorry but I often have a hard time keeping up on my e-mail so I don't get to "welcome" everyone....:) The list archive is at: :) Love, Lori Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:15:37 -0700
(PDT) On 11 Aug 1997, V.G. Avice du Buisson wrote:
Lori here-- There is something else Michael channeled about concurrent lifetimes. Each essence can have up to 12 lifetimes happening at the same time (I don't know why 12 exactly, other than that is all the energy one essence has in the space/time aspect of life I was told.) I thought this also may be the same 12 fragments that Joshua David Stone speaks of in "The Complete Ascension Manual," based on the Alice Bailey material. That's my theory though. Anyway, Michael says on average, at this time in history, most essences are having 4 lifetimes concurrently. So, it's conceivable you could meet yourself out there, in another body! I know that Holly Coleman has done just that. She is 7th level old and this man she knew was her was 7th Mature I think.... Michael says concurrent lifetimes have the 'tendency' to be within one soul-age of each other. (So don't take it as a law that you couldn't have a younger soul-aged concurrent life going on, just as a likelihood.) I think it would be rather fascinating, if not even a bit narcissistic to meet someone else that was me out there, hehheh.... Well, on the spiritual level, I have a guide who is on the Angelic Realm, who says she is me (she's a Priest though, with high-feminine energy, and her energy is so intense, that I think she is also some of my current entity-mates, not just my essence--because some of my entity-mates recognize her too, maybe a cadence or something--maybe essences are "bigger" on the Angelic Realm...hmmm....), but this is another Grand Cycle of lifetimes, not so much this fragment here called Lori..... Happy finding yourself! Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:47:12 -0700
Good point. Also I understand Self-Dep is a favorite CNF for Old souls.
"As Far As I Know". This is a fairly well-used acronym. I'll ship you a list I have of "standard" acronyms. Also - http://www.ucc.ie/acronyms/acro.html ...and - http://digital.gemconsult.com/glossary/index.htm ...might be of use.
Throughout the Michael literature are mentions of Transcendental souls manifesting in particular people. AFAIK there are no levels to a physical incarnation.
No argument there. :^)
Um, are you saying that Sages are blabbermouths, and Scholars are rude, insensitive jerks? How can you!!! <VBG> Regards, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:47:20 -0700
I would like to see them.
I found Shepherd's explanations to be reasonably clear. If you want to see complicated explanations of Michael Math, try to find _More Messages_ and take a look at Chapter 8.
Wow!
Indeed.
Hmmm. :^) Regards, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:07:54 -0400 Lori and Gay, This is amazing. For a minute just before I downloaded the email below, I had just barely started touching Michael to try again to get at the truth about cadres, cadences, entities, and earth population when the words "parallel lives" popped into my mind. Then I thought "...this can't be right because that would mean there are other me's alive on this planet right this very moment." I went ahead and downloaded your posting. And... guess what? there you were saying that Michael was channelled saying the same thing. This is also very interesting because I met a lifelong lady friend, 41 years ago, when I was sixteen and she was fourteen. We sometimes go out together, but we have never actually dated and had a sexual relationship. We tried, but we couldn't make it work. She's an old warrior with a goal of growth and I am an old scholar/idealist with a goal of acceptance. It's no wonder that we cannot sustain a sexual relationship although in other deeper ways we have never been closer. I have described our relationship to myself as me feeling like I'm in love with myself. At the time that I had that thought I felt that this was really crazy and didn't think about any more. Now maybe that is what the truth is. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:07:29 -0400 John Rogers I really enjoyed your post. Thank you for de-lurking. :) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:16:46 -0400 Seth Cohn wrote:
Thanks, I'll do it with a long post warning at the top. I already sent my questions to Kay Kamala who referred me to Jose Stevens and J P VanHulle. Jose's office said they had no tapes on the subject and I haven't heard back from JP.
Sorry, yes, I mean Sages. <G> I was just talked to death by a Mature Sage (my chiropractor) today, and I felt I owed it to the poor man to listen with a smile because it was like looking at myself in a mirror (myself when I was acting out at Mature level). =o Kate Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:20:55 +0200 Hi there from South Africa, My name is Gay and I have been involved with the Michael Information since way back in 1979. However I have been truly committed to the Michael Group since November 1995 when I started getting together the Michael information, to teach, channel and present the information to the public at large. (Would you then guess that I am a 7th level old Sage in the mode of Passion with a goal of Growth?) If you would like to visit my web-site which deals with the Michael information in a rather light-hearted way then try: http://www.icon.co.za/~entrance/ You can also see how Michael arrived in South Africa - officially!! We have three groups studying the Michael material at present - all at my home!! I research all 21 books on the Michael teachings and do a computer presentation which highlights the information as viewed from all the different channels aspects and then we as a group, make the knowledge practical by putting in our own comments from a South Africa viewpoint. For example at one stage we might divide up into roles and find out what has been previously channelled about each role. Then we see how that information applies to us in particular. Perhaps we might discover that certain facts pertain more to us as we were growing up than now. However, each role then has a spokes-person who "presents" the qualities of that role to the rest of the group. We then get valuable insights on how that role likes to be treated or how we can get the best out of a particular role from this information. We really enjoy our Michael Meetings and after the presentation and tea we then get down to channelling Michael in person. At present I am the only one who brings them through but we are looking for back-up channels or those that feel committed enough to go further. Each computer presentations has three levels: First for those who haven't read a Michael book but have been dragged along by a friend! Second for those who need a little support now they have read a book or two and are a little swamped with the information. Third for those who really need to get their minds into overdrive in order to deal with the more complex ideas of Michael. This is why I have replied to you Seth. You wrote: Shepherd Hoodwin, now located in CA, used to live in NYC, and I was a close friend and transcribed (and participated in) a lot of monthly Michael Speaks he held. I'm honored to be listed among his acknowledgements in a few of his books. Shepherd was my first real contact with the different Michael channels and I did some work at a distance, on his Cat Agape - he too kindly acknowledged my help in a letter to all his friends, as a clairvoyant from South Africa. I used to be BIG into Michael Math, and if anyone has any questions about, I'm probably a good person to ask. This is where we really need the help. I have recently joined the list but caught the tail end of the discussion of Kenneth Broom and Lori Tostada on Cosmology. I too am slightly confused. Each entity can be made up of between 800 - 1500 essences. Each Greater Cadence is made up of 49 essences. For easy maths sake, lets say 50. Therefore each Entity must contain between 16 and 30 Greater Cadences. However, at present I am only channelling Greater Cadences 1 - 7. Where on earth are the rest? And like Kenneth and Lori mentioned, with 6 billion people on earth we should be seeing at least just under 1,000 Cadres of 7,000 Entities but we are only coming up with about 25 Cadres. Where are the rest of the Cadres - or more to the point are the Cadres we are picking up the ones containing those who are active in some way where the others aren't? Any comments on this aspect would really be appreciated from any list member who has insight where I am lacking. Ciao, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:09:52 -0400 Seth Cohn wrote:
By "accept" what do you mean? Simply "be present" with them without judgment?? Kate Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:15:34 -0400 Kenneth Broom wrote:
LOL. Good point! Sometimes the worst abuse we get is from our own selves. <G>
In my 20s I practiced Eastern meditation where the goal was to be in "cosmic consciousness," a state of "witnessing" or identification with a larger, watching (observing) consciousness. This seems to me to be the kind of "nirvana" a scholar in observation might crave. Even a Sage/Observation/Idealist like me has often craved it. <G> Kate Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:36:39 -0400 Lori, Thanks for starting this list--it's great! I really enjoyed your post. I'm in Growth, too. Also Impatience. The two together can drive one wild! It's a real karma mill. <G>
I can identify a lot with your lonliness and isolation in childhood. I've often felt that I had a "mission" this lifetime to track down old souls and validate them (in the pre-internet days we were *so* cut off from each other!). Essentially every old soul I've met this lifetime has had a really suffering time. <sigh>
Ditto for me. I looked at female culture and I looked at male culture, and I said to myself, No way! I don't want to be either! So I've been pretty androgynous in appearance this lifetime. <G> I have warring needs between my Sage self's desire to be highly visible and my Scholar bleedthrough intense need to be invisible. It's a real tug of war. But the teen years are really terrible when you just can't make yourself get into young soul values. :}
I had a fantasy too that my parents were not my real parents. No spaceship, but maybe a nice limousine was going to show up and take me away one day. <G>
I really identify with all this. :)
Yes, this info has been so very valuable for me and every other old soul I've known whom I've told about it. :)
Yes, I feel the same. The one motto I've given my kids is, "Don't abuse others or let others abuse you." That's pretty well the bottom line for me. :)
I guess it's the old Sage thing--but, darn it! I want to have some fun before I shake this incarnation. <G>
If anything, being an old soul in a young soul nation/world has caused us to be far more screwed up than any other soul level. Our lives have often been a sad testimony of self-destruction and isolation and fear because of it. <sigh>
I like that definition. Thanks for sharing it. :)
Who is Steve?
I've heard this, too. I find it a very depression maxim at times. <G>
That sounds interesting. Where do you order it?
Kay Kamala talked about that this spring in her newletter. I'll look forward to reading more about it. Thanks for posting that. :) Kate Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:47:04 -0400 Seth Cohn wrote:
Seth, I've suffered a lot with depression as has essentially every old soul I've met this lifetime, and I've met a ton (I had a thing for many years, pre-Michael, about attracting "soul mates" a desire that brought dozens of OS's into my sphere). I really identify with what you're saying about feeling "trapped" here, too. I think that OS's have one foot in spirit world and one foot in the physical plane and it is very easy for us to slip on a banana peel and leave the physical world entirely behind. I find for myself that too much suffering makes me check out. I start thinking that what I am going through, this life, this planet, all of this *stuff* is only a tiny part of all there is. Trouble is, when I focus on the "bigger picture," I soon lose all desire to "participate" or "play the game" "down here." So that approach to dealing with overload, despair, etc. doesn't work well for me. What's been a nightmare for me is having my second child. He's a seventh level Mature Warrior in Dominance and Aggression. Living in his aura is like being beaten to death with a stick. The rest of us in the family are Old Souls with a live and let live attitude and his attitude is "I'm going to beat you guys into shape if you all die while I'm trying to do it." Pre this entity entering my life, it was pretty fun and easy for me here, in spite of being in Growth with all the karma and hassle that can summon. :} Anyone found anything to help with depression? My biggest trap this lifetime is waiting out my son's childhood. When he is 18 (in 9 more long years), it will be like being set out of prison. (How's that for honestly admitting to "sinful" and "horrible" emotions? <G>) Kate, who's been an itinerant priest in so many lifetimes that motherhood is a weird mystery to her <G> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:51:42 -0400 Seth Cohn wrote:
What archive? What website? (You were talking about Michael math.)
This is fascinating. I never heard this. Did you channel this yourself from Michael? Kate Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:22:32 -0400 ******VERY LONG POST WARNING********* Here are the questions on casting that came up for me as I read Shepherd Hoodwin’s book, THE JOURNEY OF YOUR SOUL: A CHANNEL EXPLORES CHANNELING AND THE MICHAEL TEACHINGS. He has a whole chapter on casting in it, and it is so, to me, confusing, I've read it over twice and still am struggling to comprehend all he says--it's a wealth of detailed, technical information. BTW, among other things, I find it a bit unsettling that, unlike many other Michael channels, he believes that each essence has only one fragment. As a result, he frequently uses the terms fragment and essence interchangeably. Hoodwin says that every cadence is not a "primary cadence," which is "seven essences of the same role within an entity." However, he says that a primary cadence is the most common kind. I got confused when in his diagram on page 172 he illustrates a cadence with all seven possible "positions" in it. How could that be, I asked myself, if they were all Scholars? Then he shows this same cadence, which has the number seven (I presume this means it is a "King" cadence?) as part of a Position Five (in an Entity) Scholar Greater Cadence, five being the Sage position number. All this brought up the following questions: (1) In a primary cadence that is made up of fragments who are all the same Role, for example, Scholar, would every member of the cadence, because he/she is a Scholar, have the "position" Four, which corresponds to the Scholar? Or will every cadence, of any kind, always have seven "positions," one through seven, each of which corresponds to the seven Roles? Here is what I *think* is the answer, if I am reading Hoodwin correctly: The most common cadence is a "primary" cadence which is made up of fragments who are all of the same Role. In each cadence, there are seven "positions," numbered one through seven. Each position corresponds to a role:
This means that if seven Scholars are in a primary cadence together, all of them but the Scholar who sits in the Four position will have a different role tacked onto them, their "casting." (2) Is the casting number a ranking system or merely a descriptive seating arrangement? Here is my the understanding I came to after reading Hoodwin, but using my own words/images: I picture the positions in a cadence as acting similarly to the numbers on chairs in an auditorium. Each seat faces the same stage (life on the physical plane), but from a slightly different vantage point. In other words, the "assigned seat" or position is a way for the universe to connect each fragment with another type of influence, this time a numerical vibration rather than one of the typical overleaves. Observation: The meanings which Hoodwin indicates as attached to each of these numbered positions are only sometimes like the traditional meanings for these numbers from numerology. (I put the numerology meaning in parentheses.) Also, numerology uses numbers beyond 7, of course. One Purpose, Simplicity (initiative, drive,
independence) (3) Hoodwin says that a "greater cadence" is made up of "seven primary cadences." This makes me wonder what happens to the uncommon cadences which are not primary? Do they form groupings of seven as well? If they do, what are they called? Logic would seem to demand that the names be "Secondary," if there are two kinds of Roles in the Cadence, "Tertiary, if there are three kinds of Roles in the Cadence, and so on. (4) Hoodwin says that each entity is made up of groupings of greater cadences. He doesn't mention if there is a standard number of greater cadences in any given entity, but I presume not, since entities are often defined as being made up of "800-1000" fragments. May we presume that each entity, though, is made up of some number of fragments (AKA "essences") which is a multiple of seven? (5) From Hoodwin’s diagram, it looks as though each greater cadence has, like each cadence, seven positions. May I presume from that drawing the following: In each Greater Cadence, a grouping of seven Cadences, there are seven "Positions," numbered one through seven. As in the Cadence, each Position in the Greater Cadence corresponds to a Role: One Warrior Two Server Three Artisan Four Scholar Five Sage Six Priest Seven King Are we supposed to understand as well that even though there are assigned positions which correspond to the seven Role Overleaves, each member of a Primary Cadence, and each member of a Greater Cadence to which groups of seven Primary Cadences belong, is of the same basic Role? Example: John Doe, a Scholar, belongs to a Primary Cadence made up of himself and six other Scholars. In this Primary Cadence, he holds position Three, Artisan. This means the first level of his "Casting" is Artisan. John's Primary Cadence is in position number Seven, King, in a Scholar Greater Cadence. This means the second level of his Casting is King. John's Greater Cadence is one of five Scholar Greater Cadences in his Entity. BTW, if this latter is the "third level" of his Casting, what would we call it? (6) Next question is this: In Hoodwin's diagram, an entity has three Sage Greater Cadences, four Warrior Greater Cadences, five Scholar Greater Cadences, and seven Priest Greater Cadences. By the way these groupings of Sage, Warrior and Scholar Cadences are numbered, it looks as though the Tao simply counted them off. That is, as if each Greater Cadence of a particular type, like people standing in a line (first come, first served) took a number, starting at one and stopping when there were no more Greater Cadences to number off. To wit, the four Warrior GC's are in positions one through four, the five Scholar GC's are in positions one through five and the seven Priest GC's are in positions one through seven. I’m wondering: is this the rule? Or could it be that even if there are only four Warrior GC's they might be assigned any of the one through seven possible positions? (I'm assuming the positions throughout are the 1-7 pertaining to the basic Roles as outlined above, because Hoodwin assigns each fragment he does a reading on a casting by number, written as follows, using the example in his diagram, the casting is "3/7/5", which means: third position in Primary Cadence Number Seven within Scholar Greater Cadence number Five within a particular entity.) (7) It looks like, examining Hoodwin's diagram further, one could give a numerical reading to a fragment like so: the mythical John (I assigned him a name <G>) of Hoodwin’s example who has a 3/7/5 casting, might have his whole Michael casting (as in "cast from the Tao"??) number read as follows: 3/7/5/2, which means: third position in Primary Cadence Number Seven within Scholar Greater Cadence number Five within Entity Two of a particular Cadre. Is this right? Further question: what are Cadres part of, and do they have a number, too? And does anyone include *that* in a reading? (8) When you do readings, do you ever include Casting, and if you do, do you get as complicated about it as Hoodwin? I'm interested in the numerological implications of all this. Does anyone do anything in any depth with these numbers? Do you? (9) Hoodwin assigns position numbers to not just the Roles, but to Goals, Modes, Attitudes, Centers and the Planes as well. Since we have seven soul ages and seven levels within each soul age, one would assume those could be "positions" as well. Consequently, one could assign a number to every aspect in a chart. Here’s how I do soul ages: One Infant Soul Two Baby Soul Three Young Soul Four Mature Soul Five Old Soul Six Transcendental Soul Seven Infinite Soul Here are the Roles and Goals as Hoodwin places them: Positions Roles Goals Seven Exalted Action King Dominance Six Exalted Inspiration Priest Growth Five Exalted Expression Sage Acceptance Four Neutral/Assimilation Scholar Flow/Relaxation Three Ordinal Action Warrior Submission Two Ordinal Expression Artisan Discrimination One Ordinal Inspiration Server Reevaluation Here are the Modes and Attitudes: Positions Modes Attitudes Seven Exalted Action Aggression Realist Six Exalted Inspiration Passion Spiritualist Five Exalted Expression Power Idealist Four Neutral/Assimilation Observation Pragmatist Three Ordinal Action Perseverance Cynic Two Ordinal Expression Caution Skeptic One Ordinal Inspiration Repression Stoic Here is my extrapolation for CNF (which he doesn’t list) and what one would assume would be the numbering for Centers if he were to maintain the same pattern he has used throughout as listed above: Positions Chief Neg. Feature Centers Seven Exalted Action Impatience Higher Moving Six Exalted Inspiration Arrogance Higher Intellectual Five Exalted Expression Greed Higher Emotional Four Neutral/Assimilation Stubbornness Instinctive Three Ordinal Action Martyrdom Moving Two Ordinal Expression Self-Destruction Emotional One Ordinal Inspiration Self-Deprecation Intellectual But, in fact, Hoodwin gets off his pattern for Centers: Seven Exalted Action Higher Moving Six Exalted Expression Higher Emotional Five Exalted Inspiration Higher Intellectual Four Neutral/Assimilation Instinctive Three Ordinal Inspiration Intellectual Two Ordinal Expression Emotional One Ordinal Action Moving He’s gone from
action-inspiration-expression-neutral-action-expression-inspiration Here’s what I mean by the inconsistency of his pattern: if you look at Christeaan, Van Hulle and Clark's book, my favorite basic book, Michael: The Basic Teachings, they draw axes like this:
Exalted Exalted Exalted
Inspiration Expression Action
+ + +
+ + +
+ + +
Neutral
Assimilation
+ + +
+ + +
+ + +
Ordinal Ordinal Ordinal
Action Expression Inspiration
Hoodwin chooses the following numbering schema: Seven Exalted Action Six Exalted Inspiration Five Exalted Expression Four Neutral/Assimilation Three Ordinal Action Two Ordinal Expression One Ordinal Inspiration Which visually would look like this:
Exalted (Six) Exalted (Five) Exalted (Seven)
Inspiration Expression Action
+ + +
+ + +
+ + +
Neutral (Four)
Assimilation
+ + +
+ + +
+ + +
Ordinal (Three) Ordinal (Two) Ordinal (One)
Action Expression Inspiration
It doesn't make sense to me to go from Inspiration to Expression to Action on the Ordinal level, but go from Expression to Inspiration to Action on the Exalted level. It seems to me it should either be: Ord. Insp., Ord. Exp., Ord. Action, Neutral, Exalt. Insp., Exalt. Exp., Exalt. Action, OR it should be: Ord. Exp., Ord. Insp., Ord. Action, Neutral, Exalt. Exp. Exalt. Insp., Exalt. Action. Do you see what I mean? Michael works in patterns, and by numbering the way Hoodwin does, the pattern is off, it is inconsistent. Have you heard or read anyone else talk about this numbering system of Hoodwin’s? Nevertheless, I will assume his way of numbering is correct, and use my chart to play around with his numbering concept to see if it is useful for adding depth to a Michael reading. Kate's Michael Overleaves: No. Major Minor Overleaf/Etc. 5 X Old Soul 5 x Level 5 6 x Moving into Level 6 5 X Sage 4 X Scholar bleedthrough 3 x Mother imprint: Young Soul 1 x Warrior 3 x Father imprint: Young Soul 5 x Sage Creative/Focused (probably can't assign number here) Frequency (probably can't assign number here) 6 X Goal: Growth 4 X Mode: Observation 6 X Attitude: Spiritualist 7 X CNF: Impatience 2 X Center: Emotional 3 X Intellectual Part 6 X Casting Level 1: Priest 6 x Casting Level 2: In a Sage Primary Cadence which is Position 6 (Priest) 4 x Casting Level 3: In a Sage Greater Cadence which is Position 4 (Scholar) 4 x Casting Level 4: In my Entity which is Position 4 (Scholar) in my Cadre OK, looking at the numbers, I get: 1 - 1 minor 2 - 1 major 3 - 3 minor 4 - 2 major, 2 minor 5 - 2 major, 1 minor 6 - 4 major, 1 minor 7 - 1 major Looking at the above, I’d say that the primary position influence in my chart is 6, which is about harmony and connection. I tend to think this may be right, because my mission in life seems to be to mediate between people and to help them find harmony and connection both within and without (inside themselves and with the various competing parts of themselves, and outside themselves with other people). So this is what I’d call a very complex reading of my "casting," according to the information in Chapter 11 of Hoodwin’s book, "Cadences and Numbers." What do you think? Does anyone find doing this sort of reading useful? I think that Hoodwin might say that having Priest again in Position 2 of my casting reinforces the Priest in Position 1, and that having Scholar in position 3 and 4 would strongly reinforce my Scholar bleedthrough as well. (I think it also increases my very strong attraction to Scholars. <G>) So, Michael fans: what do you think of this? Is this how one does a casting reading? Does it make sense? Kate Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:42:57 -0600
(MDT) On 12 Aug 1997, Kate McMurry wrote: > Seth Cohn wrote: > > But Intent is so important. I have seen people do this, and heal > > greatly, and I have seen people do this and push the unwanted feelings > > out and away from them. Very tough to learn to accept the feelings > > no matter what they are. > > By "accept" what do you mean? Simply "be present" with them without > judgment?? Mostly yes, and maybe even to the extent of
embracing these feelings A lot of judgements about what is Loving and
what is not are present in Love, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:57:14 -0600
(MDT) On 12 Aug 1997, Kate McMurry wrote: > Seth Cohn wrote: > > You know about the archive on the website right? You can catch the > > missing stuff there... > > What archive? What website? (You were talking about Michael math.) On www.spiritweb.org, there is an archive of
all the posts to this list. If you > > My own perspective is a bit different, because I believe in massive > > fragmentation,and think that many of the people on Earth today aren't real. > > They are fragmented bits of essence caused over time, and they aren't > > 'full' people, just mirror reflections. So Michael picks up on the > > real people's 'position' and sees that, and strangely enough, they all tend > > to fall into the first 'chunk' of cadres, because all 'real' people fall > > into that. so 25 cadres * 7 entities * 8-1500 essences = 150,000 to > > 250,000 essences... and all the rest of the 'people' we see are fragments of > > fragments so to speak. Like I said, that's MY view... YMMV (Your mileage may vary) > > This is fascinating. I never heard this. Did you channel this yourself > from Michael? No, as I said this is my own view, based on Michael stuff and Right Use of Will, and my own feelings and ideas. I have the firm belief that most people on this planet aren't real. That they are empty reflections of tossed out bits of other people. If you feel something strongly and repress it, it leaves and goes off eventually, doing what it wants to express anyone, but in another body. It fragments. Just as Michael talks about essence fragmenting into this world, I find that fragments fragment out even more. You can see parts of this within people suffering from MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) as they fragment without the other parts leaving. I believe that we all have lots of people out there who ARE us, who are PARTS we didn't align with, who left/pushed out into the world, and we have to reintegrate them eventually. Love, Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:58:55 -0600 (MDT) I've included Shepherd's email in here because when in doubt, his channeling would clearly take priority, and I'm sure some of the stuff I end up saying will be colored by my own views etc.... (Btw, HEY Shepherd, Long time no talk... drop me a line... we're having a good chat here in you want to pop in...you've been a topic of discussion a lot, and even Agape's name has come up (Gay, from South Africa is on the list and said she'd worked on him...) ) On 12 Aug 1997, Kate McMurry wrote: > ******VERY LONG POST WARNING********* > > Here are the questions on casting that came up for me as I read Shepherd > Hoodwin's book, THE JOURNEY OF YOUR SOUL: A CHANNEL EXPLORES > CHANNELING AND THE MICHAEL TEACHINGS. He has a whole chapter on > casting in it, and it is so, to me, confusing, I've read it over twice and still am > struggling to comprehend all he says--it's a wealth of detailed, > technical information. BTW, among other things, I find it a bit > unsettling that, unlike many other Michael channels, he believes that > each essence has only one fragment. As a result, he frequently uses the > terms fragment and essence interchangeably. I don't think he's saying that fragment=essence, so much as he's saying that essence shares certain things in common with fragments of itself. Casting would remain the same, even if overleaves changed (Essence would still a Scholar for instance, but Essence doesn't have goals or modes.) > Hoodwin says that every cadence is not a "primary cadence," which is > "seven essences of the same role within an entity." However, he says > that a primary cadence is the most common kind. In other words, _most_ entities do it the easy way, which is 7 at a time of one kind. They make flushes, in poker terms. Some like to draw and create full houses or two pair. > I got confused when in his diagram on page 172 he illustrates a cadence with > all seven possible "positions" in it. How could that be, I asked myself, if they were all > Scholars? Then he shows this same cadence, which has the number seven > (I presume this means it is a "King" cadence?) as part of a Position Five > (in an Entity) Scholar Greater Cadence, five being the Sage position number. Ok, reading this made something very clear: you are confused the ROLES for the NUMBERS. Yes, 4 is a Scholar flavored thing, but it is NOT Scholar, it is 4, which is a much broader energy then just Scholar. 4 can feel Scholar flavored or not, but Scholars will usually have a strong 4 taste. (I'm using another sense than feel to get the point across that this is NOT easily seen sometimes..) > All this brought up the following questions: > > (1) In a primary cadence that is made up of fragments who are all the > same Role, for example, Scholar, would every member of the cadence, > because he/she is a Scholar, have the "position" Four, which corresponds > to the Scholar? Or will every cadence, of any kind, always have seven > "positions," one through seven, each of which corresponds to the seven > Roles? Here is what I *think* is the answer, if I am reading Hoodwin > correctly: > > The most common cadence is a "primary" cadence which is made up of > fragments who are all of the same Role. In each cadence, there are seven > "positions," numbered one through seven. Each position corresponds to a > role: > > One Warrior > Two Server > Three Artisan > Four Scholar > Five Sage > Six Priest > Seven King Um, a mistake here... It's One Server, Two Artisan, Three Warrior, the rest are right. The poles add to 7 each time, except for Warrior/King and the 3/4 connection of Warrior/Scholar makes up for that, with a strong 3.5 midpoint energy (half of Seven) > This means that if seven Scholars are in a primary cadence together, all > of them but the Scholar who sits in the Four position will have a > different role tacked onto them, their "casting." No, not a role... that is the mistake you are making. The first scholar in the line will have a ONE flavor, with everything that ONE implies including some Server style stuff, and some of the "server" aligned mode, goal, attitude, etc, etc, etc but he/she will still BE a scholar, with a hint of all of the energy that ONE brings to bear, NOT that _Server_ brings to bear. Same with the rest, TWO > (2) Is the casting number a ranking system or merely a descriptive > seating arrangement? > > Here is my the understanding I came to after reading Hoodwin, but using > my own words/images: I picture the positions in a cadence as acting > similarly to the numbers on chairs in an auditorium. Each seat faces the > same stage (life on the physical plane), but from a slightly different > vantage point. In other words, the "assigned seat" or position is a way > for the universe to connect each fragment with another type of > influence, this time a numerical vibration rather than one of the > typical overleaves. True enough. One of many ways to view it. > Observation: The meanings which Hoodwin indicates as attached to each of > these numbered positions are only sometimes like the traditional > meanings for these numbers from numerology. (I put the numerology > meaning in parentheses.) Also, numerology uses numbers beyond 7, of course. > > One Purpose, Simplicity (initiative, drive, independence) > Two Stability, Balance (partnership, assistance, receptivity) > Three Enterprise, Versatility (creativity, communication, artistic ability) > Four Consolidation, Achievement (groundedness, practicality, dependability) > Five Expansion, Adventure (growth, change, being a catalyst) > Six Harmony, Connection (harmony, the family & groups of all kinds) > Seven Inculcation, Eclecticism (seeking knowledge, introverted, contemplative) But I don't see much conflict between these views... in fact, the WORDS used all seem to describe the same energyy. Don't get tied into words, the Energy is far broader then any pair or even dozen words can describe. You could brainstorm for hours coming up with words to explore the Energy of the Number 3.... > (3) Hoodwin says that a "greater cadence" is made up of "seven primary > cadences." This makes me wonder what happens to the uncommon cadences > which are not primary? Do they form groupings of seven as well? If they > do, what are they called? Logic would seem to demand that the names be > "Secondary," if there are two kinds of Roles in the Cadence, "Tertiary, > if there are three kinds of Roles in the Cadence, and so on. No, you are getting caught up in a big confusion... Primary in this case means: a group of seven essences. This is the strongest group of Seven. The next group of Seven is seven sevens, or 49... and that would be greater cadence.. Don't confuse the Roles or anything else... all 49 should be (in most cases) the SAME role. > (4) Hoodwin says that each entity is made up of groupings of greater > cadences. He doesn't mention if there is a standard number of greater > cadences in any given entity, but I presume not, since entities are > often defined as being made up of "800-1000" fragments. May we presume > that each entity, though, is made up of some number of fragments (AKA > "essences") which is a multiple of seven? No, first of all, it's NOT so rigid as It MUST be multiples of 7 all the way up. Many times it's not.. other numbers have meaning also. Also, you are confused here because an entity is made of essences, not fragments. All the fragments of one essence are one essence. I used to wonder this myself, about how rigid it was, and Michael quickly disabused me of that. If it was that rigid, they'd have said so. Patterns can be seen, but that doens't mean that patterns are the end all and be all. > (5) From Hoodwin's diagram, it looks as though each greater cadence has, > like each cadence, seven positions. May I presume from that drawing the following: > > In each Greater Cadence, a grouping of seven Cadences, there are seven > "Positions," numbered one through seven. As in the Cadence, each > Position in the Greater Cadence corresponds to a Role: [Deleted the list, same as before.... same error] > Are we supposed to understand as well that even though there are > assigned positions which correspond to the seven Role Overleaves, each > member of a Primary Cadence, and each member of a Greater Cadence to > which groups of seven Primary Cadences belong, is of the same basic > Role? Yes. The role of them all is ONE role, but the FIRST essence (say it's a Scholar Greater Cadence) would have 1st position in his cadence and 1st cadence of the cadences, so he'd be a 1/1 casting (with a strong Server smell maybe, but still Scholar through and through....) > Example: John Doe, a Scholar, belongs to a Primary Cadence made up of > himself and six other Scholars. In this Primary Cadence, he holds > position Three, Artisan. This means the first level of his "Casting" is > Artisan. John's Primary Cadence is in position number Seven, King, in a > Scholar Greater Cadence. This means the second level of his Casting is > King. John's Greater Cadence is one of five Scholar Greater Cadences in > his Entity. BTW, if this latter is the "third level" of his Casting, > what would we call it? We'd call it complicated. heheh, John would be (depending on the channel's method of writing it down) 5/7/3 or 3/7/5...(ANd I've seen Channels do both... so it's a pain in the ass) This extra level since it's NOT complete (being only 1-5) wouldn't be as strong as a full 7 would be... so many times it's not as important. It might even feel different, if say he was 5 out of 5, since that would be "last" more like a 7 would be normally.... > (6) Next question is this: In Hoodwin's diagram, an entity has three > Sage Greater Cadences, four Warrior Greater Cadences, five Scholar > Greater Cadences, and seven Priest Greater Cadences. By the way these > groupings of Sage, Warrior and Scholar Cadences are numbered, it looks > as though the Tao simply counted them off. "Sound off!!! 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7.... " Yup, that is it. > That is, as if each Greater > Cadence of a particular type, like people standing in a line (first > come, first served) took a number, starting at one and stopping when > there were no more Greater Cadences to number off. To wit, the four > Warrior GC's are in positions one through four, the five Scholar GC's > are in positions one through five and the seven Priest GC's are in > positions one through seven. I'm wondering: is this the rule? Pretty much. > Or could it be that even if there are only four Warrior GC's they might be > assigned any of the one through seven possible positions? (I'm assuming > the positions throughout are the 1-7 pertaining to the basic Roles as > outlined above, because Hoodwin assigns each fragment he does a reading > on a casting by number, written as follows, using the example in his > diagram, the casting is "3/7/5", which means: third position in Primary > Cadence Number Seven within Scholar Greater Cadence number Five within a > particular entity.) > > (7) It looks like, examining Hoodwin's diagram further, one could give a > numerical reading to a fragment like so: the mythical John (I assigned > him a name <G> ) of Hoodwin's example who has a 3/7/5 casting, might have > his whole Michael casting (as in "cast from the Tao"??) number read as > follows: 3/7/5/2, which means: third position in Primary Cadence Number > Seven within Scholar Greater Cadence number Five within Entity Two of a > particular Cadre. Is this right? Right on the money. > Further question: what are Cadres part > of, and do they have a number, too? And does anyone include *that* in a > reading? Ah, this is where everything breaks down, because people do, and it all conflicts at times.... For Instance, Shepherd gets it as one set of numbers and other channels get other sets... There is not hard fast rule about the cadre numbers and I think it is VERY arbitrary... I'm in 3/4, Cadre 3, Entity 4. The Entity number is right, but the Cadre number isn't a real 3... it's a made up 3. (hope that's clear...) > (8) When you do readings, do you ever include Casting, and if you do, do > you get as complicated about it as Hoodwin? I'm interested in the > numerological implications of all this. Does anyone do anything in any > depth with these numbers? Do you? I don't channel or do readings so I can't answer that. Maybe someone else can. As for what can you do with it, a lot... you can understand the subtle Michael Math behind it all. > (9) Hoodwin assigns position numbers to not just the Roles, but to > Goals, Modes, Attitudes, Centers and the Planes as well. Since we have > seven soul ages and seven levels within each soul age, one would assume > those could be "positions" as well. Consequently, one could assign a > number to every aspect in a chart. Here's how I do soul ages: > > One Infant Soul > Two Baby Soul > Three Young Soul > Four Mature Soul > Five Old Soul > Six Transcendental Soul > Seven Infinite Soul Yes, this is right. > Here are the Roles and Goals as Hoodwin places them: > > Positions Roles Goals > > Seven Exalted Action King Dominance > Six Exalted Inspiration Priest Growth > Five Exalted Expression Sage Acceptance > Four Neutral/Assimilation Scholar Flow/Relaxation > Three Ordinal Action Warrior Submission > Two Ordinal Expression Artisan Discrimination > One Ordinal Inspiration Server Reevaluation And Shepherd is right on the money here... > Here are the Modes and Attitudes: > > Positions Modes Attitudes > > Seven Exalted Action Aggression Realist > Six Exalted Inspiration Passion Spiritualist > Five Exalted Expression Power Idealist > Four Neutral/Assimilation Observation Pragmatist > Three Ordinal Action Perseverance Cynic > Two Ordinal Expression Caution Skeptic > One Ordinal Inspiration Repression Stoic > > Here is my extrapolation for CNF (which he doesn't list) and what one > would assume would be the numbering for Centers if he were to maintain > the same pattern he has used throughout as listed above: > > Positions Chief Neg. Feature Centers > > Seven Exalted Action Impatience Higher Moving > Six Exalted Inspiration Arrogance Higher Intellectual > Five Exalted Expression Greed Higher Emotional > Four Neutral/Assimilation Stubbornness Instinctive > Three Ordinal Action Martyrdom Moving > Two Ordinal Expression Self-Destruction Emotional > One Ordinal Inspiration Self-Deprecation Intellectual All correct except for Centers... Centers are A BITCH, cause we have Bodies. > But, in fact, Hoodwin gets off his pattern for Centers: > > Seven Exalted Action Higher Moving > Six Exalted Expression Higher Emotional > Five Exalted Inspiration Higher Intellectual > Four Neutral/Assimilation Instinctive > Three Ordinal Inspiration Intellectual > Two Ordinal Expression Emotional > One Ordinal Action Moving This relates to Chakras and the Energies in our bodies... The lower stuff is shifted around... and Yes, there are reasons for it, cause we asked about it a lot... > He's gone from action-inspiration-expression-neutral-action-expression-inspiration to > the reverse: action-expression-inspiration-neutral-inspiration-expression-action. It > doesn't fix the previous inconsistency of the pattern, only introduces a > new inconsistency, IMO. > > Here's what I mean by the inconsistency of his pattern: if you look at > Christeaan, Van Hulle and Clark's book, my favorite basic book, Michael: > The Basic Teachings, they draw axes like this: > > Exalted Exalted Exalted > Inspiration Expression Action > + + + > + + + > + + + > Neutral > Assimilation > + + + > + + + > + + + > Ordinal Ordinal Ordinal > Action Expression Inspiration > > > Hoodwin chooses the following numbering schema: > > Seven Exalted Action > Six Exalted Inspiration > Five Exalted Expression > Four Neutral/Assimilation > Three Ordinal Action > Two Ordinal Expression > One Ordinal Inspiration > > > Which visually would look like this: > > Exalted (Six) Exalted (Five) Exalted (Seven) > Inspiration Expression Action > + + + > + + + > + + + > Neutral (Four) > Assimilation > + + + > + + + > + + + > Ordinal (Three) Ordinal (Two) Ordinal (One) > Action Expression Inspiration > > It doesn't make sense to me to go from Inspiration to Expression to > Action on the Ordinal level, but go from Expression to Inspiration to > Action on the Exalted level. It seems to me it should either be: Ord. > Insp., Ord. Exp., Ord. Action, Neutral, Exalt. Insp., Exalt. Exp., > Exalt. Action, OR it should be: Ord. Exp., Ord. Insp., Ord. Action, > Neutral, Exalt. Exp. Exalt. Insp., Exalt. Action. Do you see what I > mean? Michael works in patterns, and by numbering the way Hoodwin does, > the pattern is off, it is inconsistent. Nope, I asked MUCH the same thing and the reason is SPIRALING energies. It's not a frozen pattern it's a moving one. The energy spirals around and this causes this "shift". > Have you heard or read anyone else talk about this numbering system of > Hoodwin's? He's done a lot of channeling on it, and maybe he can share some, or at least point to where he deals with it. > Nevertheless, I will assume his way of numbering is correct, and use my > chart to play around with his numbering concept to see if it is useful > for adding depth to a Michael reading. I'll add comments to it like this {my comments} > Kate's Michael Overleaves: > > No. Major Minor Overleaf/Etc. > > 5 X Old Soul > 5 x Level 5 > 6 x Moving into Level 6 > 5 X Sage > 4 X Scholar bleedthrough {from here} > 3 x Mother imprint: Young Soul > 1 x Warrior > 3 x Father imprint: Young Soul > 5 x Sage {I wouldn't count any of that...} > Creative/Focused (probably can't assign number here) > Frequency (probably can't assign number here) {Right}
> 6 X Goal: Growth > 4 X Mode: Observation > 6 X Attitude: Spiritualist > 7 X CNF: Impatience
> 2 X Center: Emotional > 3 X Intellectual Part {Don't count these much very few people are using 567 here...} > 6 X Casting Level 1: Priest > 6 x Casting Level 2: In a Sage Primary Cadence which is Position 6 (Priest) {Not minor} > 4 x Casting Level 3: In a Sage Greater Cadence which is Position 4 (Scholar) {Is minor} > 4 x Casting Level 4: In my Entity which is Position 4 (Scholar) in my Cadre (NOT minor} > OK, looking at the numbers, I get: > > 1 - 1 minor > 2 - 1 major > 3 - 3 minor > 4 - 2 major, 2 minor > 5 - 2 major, 1 minor > 6 - 4 major, 1 minor > 7 - 1 major
Well, I get slightly different totals: basically 4 becomes MUCH stronger.
> Looking at the above, I'd say that the primary position influence in my > chart is 6, which is about harmony and connection. I tend to think this > may be right, because my mission in life seems to be to mediate between > people and to help them find harmony and connection both within and > without (inside themselves and with the various competing parts of > themselves, and outside themselves with other people).
Overall, I see a lot of 5 (Sage, Level, Old Soul) which is all major, and a bunch of 4 which is in the right places to be influence on higher plane stuff (thus the bleedthrough)... The 6 is all over, and I think you are right.
> So this is what I'd call a very complex reading of my "casting," > according to the information in Chapter 11 of Hoodwin's book, "Cadences > and Numbers." What do you think? Does anyone find doing this sort of > reading useful?
It can be, and I used to think it was... but I've shifted a lot in the years, and I have to say that overall, no more useful then numerology, which depending on your view is VERY helpful or not... same class of stuff.
> I think that Hoodwin might say that having Priest again in Position 2 of > my casting reinforces the Priest in Position 1, and that having Scholar > in position 3 and 4 would strongly reinforce my Scholar bleedthrough as > well. (I think it also increases my very strong attraction to Scholars. > <G> )
I think you are right.
> So, Michael fans: what do you think of this? Is this how one does a > casting reading? Does it make sense? Yup, looks right to me. Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:01:30 -0400 Kate McMurry wrote: > In my 20s I practiced Eastern meditation where the goal was to be in > "cosmic consciousness," a state of "witnessing" or identification with a > larger, watching (observing) consciousness. This seems to me to be the > kind of "nirvana" a scholar in observation might crave. Even a > Sage/Observation/Idealist like me has often craved it. <G> Dear Kate, I remember in my grade school days there was a little comic book character that I think was called "The Witness". He wore a little toga, and resided outside of the action frames of the story he would be narrating. He was never ever involved. I remember back then feeling: "Gee, I wish I could be like him. All he does is observe and narrate and be intelligent, and he never gets into trouble". On the face of it, this kind of Nirvana seemed to feel right to me, but I know now that the positive pole of Observation is Clarity, and the Negative pole is Surveillance. I just can't seem to get the kind of "Clarity of Comprehension", that I need and want and thoroughly enjoy, just by "surveying" life and getting "facts". It seems as though I must "participate" in life, and experiment, and find out just how this physical life stuff works, and what the inter-relationships are. What I just "witness" is usually insufficient to answer my skillions of questions, so I must question and experiment on my own to get the information I want. This seems to be in keeping with one of my causal jobs as an "Akashic Orderly", i.e. to take questions from the akashic level (between the causal and the mental levels), then go to the akashic records, pull up the answers, and then put these collected answers back into the akashic level as a replete package of wisdom. Sometimes, as in my present earth life incarnations, I have to incarnate into a particular reality time line in order to obtain the "experiential" answers that I have been assigned to obtain. I suspect that a great many of us Scholar/Sage Observers are here doing the same thing for their own entity mates. It's amazing how we Michael Listers, from the vast depths of our collective personal experiences, keep adding to the different ways a "fact" can be perceived. To me this accumulation is a great part of the stuff of wisdom. This is what I meant before (in another posting) about the truth changing from one day to the next. To me a given truth doesn't "become another truth", it just gets "refined into a more accurate representation of itself". One last thing, FWIW, while writing the above posting, I was jumping back and forth between 7th level old scholar and 1st level transcendental. (I'll post a series of summaries by Joya Pope re the Soul Ages.) The Michael entity chose to not stratify the transcendental soul age. However, any fragment or entity who wants to can do so. It serves my causal function to do so. One more last thing: My Dear Michael Listers, I cannot begin to verbalize how much your postings and conversations mean to me. The intelligence and agape that I experience through this list is truly healing, educational, and even recreational. I'll try to lighten up some because I know I tend to be too much to the point in presenting myself. My last "last thing" :>)# God BleesBlissBless You All, and, aside: Geez, talk about typos! :>)# Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:29:56 -0400 Kate McMurry wrote:
Kate, I've been dealing with depression since I was a child who always wanted "to go back home". I knew I was a spiritual ET early on. The only thing that has been really effective for me is to continue to do things that are really interesting to me, regardless of what other people, including my parents, felt I "should" do. Swat the should bees and the could bees. Do what you really prefer to do, and try not hurt or discomfort anyone. For any given situation this latter point can be really ticklish and enlightening: are you really the cause of someone else's hurt or discomfort, or is the person hurting or discomforting his/herself because of his/her attitudes and belief systems? Boom, Boom, Clap. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:49:33 -0400 From "The World According to Michael: INFANT SOULS [EDITOR'S NOTE: Ken went on to post all of the chapters on Soul Age with no personal commentary of his own. Since the article is already posted at this site, it's not included here. If you'd like to read it, go to: Soul Ages ] Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:20:36 -0400
(EDT) Dear Kate and Kenneth: Take St. John's Wort. 2 caps X 3 X day This herb is a natural anti depressant. Carry Lepidalite with you at all times. A small piece should do. The stone has the high amount of natural lithium salts of any stone around. Using it as a worry bead will suppy you with a steady stream of needed lithium. It salt will rub off the stone and be absorbed into the skin to endup in your bloodstream. It may also help to understand that depression is anger redirected toward oneself and that occurs because one is generally afraid of the consecquences of a clean expression of such anger. There are various meditations available which will guide you through your anger and transform your depression. One guided meditation tape I know to be exceptional is the Lazaris Tape album on Releasing Anger. I would consider it without question to be the best tape album of its kind on the market today. I will see if I can ferret out some other
information. Institute for Shamanic Studies and
Vibrational Medicine On 12 Aug 1997, Kenneth Broom wrote:
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:25:20 +0000 Hi, another old Scholar lurking around this internet paradise. These comments of Seth Cohn's interested me, because I've been occupied with similar concerns in the past. Seth wrote:
I most seriously considered suicide when I was about.10 or 11 years old. This wasn't an angsty, "oh, how they'll miss me" high drama period, although that crept in too. It was a very sober, ongoing, well-reasoned interior dialogue on the pros and cons of taking my own life. Like Seth said elsewhere in his posting, some days are always better than others. Ultimately, I lucked out; if there had been a gun in the house, I'm certain I wouldn't be here now. In my adult life, I've looked for ways other people have come to grips with our condition. Seth's way of talking about the personality's predicament reminded me of a piece I've always appreciated by a Jungian psychologist named Erich Neumann. I thought I'd pull some quotes out to see if anyone else thought it gave a fresh angle to the topic. [For "self," read "Essence."] "Every ego position and every consciousness is relative, and a creative development is only possible when the existing ego consciousness is entirely or partially sacrificed. In reality the goal of the destruction of the respective ego and consciousness is the formation of a wider and more centered personality." "[The] ambiguousness of the situation rests on the bond between the ego and the self, and on their dialectic relationship to each other. Every development and transformation of the personality is directed by the ego-transcending effect of the self. It presupposes at the same time, however, the highest exertion on the part of the ego, which then paradoxically leads to 'death,' as to the death of a constellation of ego and consciousness which is outlived. It thus becomes clear that in a certain sense this means a kind of self-murder, or an ego-murder. Such a tendency to self-murder frequently emerges in such situations of transition as a compulsive idea, and then everything depends on understanding its symbolic meaning. But what is required of this human ego is that it should simultaneously hold fast and give up, that it must completely experience the fact of death and then understand it again symbolically. And yet the secret and deepest human significance of such a constellation rests on the fact that only in such an actual catastrophic situation does the personality experience itself not only as an ego but also as the self. The personality is compelled, as it were, to suspend itself as an ego and as an ego-will and submit to the will of the self as if it were its own." Love always, Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:35:11 -0700 I've been kinda evesdropping on your
conversation & lo & behold, you are both describing me down to a T, as
they say. I've recently learned that I am an old soul level 3-6 at different
times and a Priest. I've had alot of Questions answered, like why I've always
felt old, didn't belong, Always had to learn my lessons the hard way, etc. How
nice to know it's not my own solitary insanity. Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:06:50 -0700 Welcome Dean and Sheri! Thanks for your intros. I have been working on a table for about a year now, on a topic I asked Michael through JP Van Hulle and Aaron Christeaan regarding emotions--and their positive and negative poles. What I channeled myself was basically, that the positive poles of the emotions allow them to flow through you, and move, whereas the negative poles of the emotions get you stuck. So by getting yourself into the positive poles (this is a conscious choice!) then you allow the flow to happen and the emotion eventually passes in a way that allows growth. The table was never quite finished but if you'd like to see it go to: http://members.spiritweb.org/michael-teachings/epoles.html Any comments are welcome! Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:26:08 -0600
(MDT) On 11 Aug 1997, skwitt wrote:
I'll come back to those...
Ok, so flow WITH the dissonance.. where is it taking you, where does it want to go? LISTEN to it, follow the impulses, and see where the river WANTS to flow.
All of those are Body things... so maybe it's not a Body thing.. drop out the physical center and what's left... intellect or emotion. If it was intellect, then traditional meditation would be soothing, and easy, cause you'd be stopping the ideas and that would ease the flow down... but you say it doesn't help, so... emotional center IS the issue...
heheh, Old soul and you still haven't learned that you can't use someone else's answers...??
Well, it's not stillness then... you can't find it in stillness IF the flow is trying to move. You are trying to dam up a river and then wondering why the dam creaks loudly and spills over the top, making a mess. Back to the idea of screaming and crying... that isnt the only emotions, but they are key. Maybe you need to consciously do some emotional stuff. Go rent some movies that will touch you inside, make you cry or angry.... get MAD at something and go scream about it... start letting the FLOW happen... start honoring the emotional center and giving it some space to move, to flow, and see if the 'dissonance' eases up after a spell of this... give it some time, try a few methods... relax and let loose the tight grip all of us have on our feelings (especially those of us who are very intellectual or physical normally) and see if it FEELS better. I'm making suggestions, and you'll have to alter them for yourself, maybe your wife will have something key to offer that will trigger you INTO the feelings (Spouses are good at that..) Love, Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:45:33 -0700 | Archive of Michael Teachings List
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I dunno... I had it channeled that my ET, who is in her 7th major cycle, has had a maximum of 23 concurrent incarnations (I'm in my 5th, having had a maximum of 11). And I doubt that 12 concurrent incarnations is the most an essence could support. 'Course it may depend on the number of active parallels as well. In _Journey_, quoting Michael - The personality is not something apart from the essence, but the essence is capable of maintaining many personalities simultaneously, just as you are capable of maintaining many subpersonalities simultaneously, and they are developing even when you are not paying attention to them. /319 So they don't say =how= many; they just say =many=.
I recently learned of my 4th.
Hmmm. :^/
That must be a bit weird.
That's the first I heard of that, but it makes sense. An essence would probably group a series of lifetimes in a particular timeframe.
I think it would be interesting to try to recognize one's characteristics in a totally different person (possibly different gender, age, race, overleaves). A thought occurs to me as I write this - I've wondered where the dividing line is between essence and personality. Now I realize there isn't a demarcation per se, but what part of what you project to others (or for that matter what you feel yourself) is essence and what part is personality? Maybe if you encountered one of your concurrents, you might get an idea because those traits you recognized would more likely be essence than personality. From _Journey_ - Theoretically, if we did meet another reincarnational self, he would probably seem like a close entity mate. His body could look quite different from ours, although we tend to look somewhat similar facially, especially around the eyes, from lifetime to lifetime. /324 However, in the paragraph above, Shepherd says - It is probably impossible to meet another reincarnational self in the flesh. ... Simultaneous selves occupy distinct realities or "sectors" of this universe, even though they are in the same time frame. /324 This seems to be incorrect based on your words above about Holly Coleman. Not only that, but I have information that my 4th concurrent (#156) is in the Bay Area, so I suppose there's a chance I could run into him. Regards, Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:59:17 +0800 Dear Seth Love and Light.......Brandy Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:29:03 +0200 Hi there Lori - and hopefully the Michael
List, The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <[michael-teachings-l@spiritweb.org]> So not quite knowing what happened I apologise for my mail getting onto the list more than once. REPLYING TO VARIOUS LIST MEMBERS, Gay quotes: Lori here-- Gay replies: Lori said: 2. If the fragment has up to 12 similar lifetimes at the same time as well then it could be a little spooky meeting another part of yourself
Kenneth wrote: Gay replies: Kate replying to Lori:
Kate wrote: (Btw, HEY Shepherd, Long time no talk... drop
me a line... we're having Gay replies: Kenneth wrote: Gay replies: Kenneth states: Boom, Boom, Clap. Gay replies: To LORI, Lots of love to you all from Gay in South Africa Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:20:44 -0400
---------- end of reference. Kenneth's Present Reply: Yes, I got your post. It makes sense, yet at the same time it doesn't want to integrate with what I know about my overleaves and my entity membership. Now hold on a minute. Let me finish. :> )# To use your words: "categorization and indentification of consciousness" have their place as a way of looking at the universe. It's another useful game. Another useful research tool. Another way of having fun, raising useful questions, and prompting introspection at the same time. Overleaves, like astrology, were never intended to "pigeonhole" anything. The danger here is to take the game as the reality, and the symbol as the real thing. These things are archetypes. They've got a wonderful power of their own, but only as "signposts pointing" to the higher realities. The finger pointing to the moon is not the moon. Now, where was I? I suspect that my being an angel will not integrate with the overleaves because I was an angel long long before humans, fragments, entities, cadres, etc. were even thought about. I am older than overleaves. Maybe older than time itself. This is part of that quiet resonance that I told you about regarding my being an angel. I just don't talk about it much. Doesn't matter anyway. Just verrry very interesting. All of us are older than time. All of us are older than the overleaves. Even the planets and stars and galaxies have overleaves, just very different is all.
You're Mighty Mighty Welcome. > I want to close this note by making a comment regarding the categorization > and identification of consciousness. > Let us remember that all such things should be viewed as tools and nothing > more. Whenver one labels himself or another he/she limit themselves and what > they might evolve to become. Lets than remember that all labels are tools > and not absoluts in and of themselves.. > Just out of curiousity, how would you label me?
How do you view me? How I sense you as being more of the Sun, rather than of the Earth. If you consider that the Earth had it's origins in the Sun, and our Sun was born from the Milky Way Center, etc. you may be able, in your meditations, to go back in your consciousness to where you originated, and find out what you really are, and why you "really" came here to earth. Talk to my grandfather Sun when you have time. You'll find him extremely knowledgeable about his children(planets) and his grandchildren(us humans). To any who may be wondering if I am Wiccan, the answer is a gentle "no". I just "AM", just like you. :> )# > If you think this note to you is food for a good discussion, > by all means post it to the group. Will do. Could be interesting. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:39:53 -0600
(MDT)
Heheh, In Right Use of Will, the Angels are the bad guys, the ones who more then anyone else chose to reject their wills and embracing Lucifer and his path of denial. Most 'new age' people ARE Angelic essence... and I can't stand them.... Ken, hate to say it but you DO sound like an Angel to me, and it grates on me, and makes me edgy. Love, Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:02:49 -0400
(EDT) Seth: Institute for Shamanic Studies and
Vibrational Medicine Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:03:39 -0600
(MDT) On 14 Aug 1997, Barbra Skowronski wrote:
True, not all angels did, but most... I don't think they are different from humans, I think they are trapped here like the rest of us... As I said, my perspective... Angels aren't bad folks, even if they were the bad guys. Some of my best friends are angels... drive me nuts, but they aren't "evil", just misguided... Love, Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:37:28 -0400 Seth Cohn wrote:
Only some of us, Seth, only some of us, and the great majority of the rebels, if not all, have since that time, returned to the fold. Goes to show that none of us "free will fragments" is perfect. It's my understanding that Lucifer may be the last rebel left, and his influence on earth beings has been totally nullified. Human will and human error have not been nullified. If you're interested, the "Urantia Book" has a fair amount of detail about the Lucifer rebellion. Check it out why don't you.
Hmmm, maybe you've got some bumps that need smoothing, or some corners that need rounding. Maybe you're an angel too. :>)# Seth, I like your postings. They usually give me a lot to chew on. Thanks for Being, and Love back at Ya', From: Seth Cohn On 14 Aug 1997, Kenneth Broom wrote:
Since Lucifer and his puppets still run the planet, I have real doubts about that. I still see too many things out in the world that tell me you are wrong here...
I've read large parts of it, and It's a whitewash job, like reading a something written by the White House about White Water (hehe, white enough for you? :) ) Funny enough, RUOW does also say the name of the planet is Urantia, but the stroy is SO different that I found little in Urantia book to make me want to read more..
hehe, actually, I'm a Spirit fragment, part of God that has trouble aligning with Him, one day to find that alignment and be reintegrated. If you thing the ANGELS did bad things, you have no idea what sort of stuff God himself has done... :) Seth Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:35:55 -0400
(EDT) I find this post very interesting. I am an Angel. I am one of Archangel Michael's Group. I signed on to this list last week because I found the word Michael in the group name to be of interest. I wanted to see what this group was all about. Upon reading the posts and materials which do not relate to Archangel Michael, but extremely intriguing, I wondered why I was drawn here. Any other Angels in the group? Any that resonate to Archangel Michael? Love & Blessings Carolyn O'Riley Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 07:38:42 -0500 I just saw some books about St. John's Wort research, and the one I glanced through said that the official medical testing that had given anti-depression relief, tested in England, was in an alcohol tincture form of some sort. This is not to say the caps are not good. I for one should also try this. I've had a life-long challenge with feeling down (for a long spell it was REALLY down... Very painful...) Love, Aida Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:57:13 -0700
(PDT)
Yes! <jumping in excitement> I'm one of them too--that's what I was talking about a while back in another post where I said my Angel guide Alena was ME, on the Angelic Realm. And Archangel Michael has been with me a lot too! I started seeing him in guided meditations a few years ago. I would see him come to me and he would put his sword of light into me (not like stabbing me, but like parallel with my spine--wow, what a trip!) and tell me I was one of his "Light-Warriors" (but in M terms this life I don't have a warrior-bone in me)....Then I read some of Ronna Herman's channeling of Archangel Michael, and I was going, yep, this is it! In February, I began channeling Archangel Michael by just sitting and writing the words that poured into my head. I had to read it out loud for me to finally "get it," and I just started crying, because to me, it was so powerful. (One thing I've had to work on was taking back my personal power that I give away trough self-dep or martyrdom a lot.) It was kind of a personal message but I can share it here if anyone wants to see it. Archangel Michael and Michael have different perspectives on things, but I have found myself in alignment with both of them. I find it very easy to channel my guide Alena--she has come to me since I was a young teen to assist me in growing and being here, when I so desperately wanted to leave. In dreams at night she would take me to a space-ship (it looked like to me) and teach me things, most of which I wouldn't remember the next day, I just knew I'd been there with her and I always felt a lot better in the morning after being very depressed the night before. She was the one who told me I had a "mission" here (that's really exactly what she told me) when I was 14, and that was why she, and the aliens I wanted to come take me away, weren't going to get me out of here. I am a starseed with a mission who chose to come here and somehow this all has to do with Archangel Michael's plan as well....And Ashtar's too, with the Sirians and the Pleiadians and so on.... I have seen other lifetimes of myself as a Sirian who worked on genetic experiments on Earth humans--seems we didn't quite know what we were getting ourselves into at the time--I remember how honored I felt though when the Council asked me to be a part of it. Then somehow, we became our creations--and I joined a cycle of Earth lives...with many other fellow ET's who had been doing the same things I was. Well, I have either delusions of grandeur, or I remember a lot of multidimensional/past/future lives. ;-) heheheh I'll get back to more of these posts later....gotta go! Love, Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:44:07 -0500 Dear Carolyn, Lori, & listmembers I also found myself drawn to the list,
&to Michael and Archangel Michael for the last 20 years. I use daily
Archangel Michael's sphere of protection around all my vehicles (methods of
earthly transportation included. like cars, planes, etc. :-) ) and around the
vehicles of all my loved ones. Archangel's Michael flaming sword is frequently
in my inner sight. I used the blue/white ray and the white/blue ray frequently
in clearance work. Some decades ago I remmber quickly drawing a warrior angel
and I got the knowing that it was in Archangel Michael's host, I do not know
exactly what my relationship was with this angel that I felt compelled to
draw. Like I mentioned to Lori, I am an ordained Priest serving the Light,
ordained the day of the winter Gate of 1981. I do not know how to describe
myself in Michael's terminology although I seem to be either a Mature or an
Old Soul (I lean toward Old), a Scholar (I teach Science), perhaps 6th level?
If anyone can help me describe myself better, I would deeply appreciate it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Overleaves and Angels I find this post very interesting. I am an Angel. I am one of Archangel Michael's Group. I signed on to this list last week because I found the word Michael in the group name to be of interest. I wanted to see what this group was all about. Upon reading the posts and materials which do not relate to Archangel Michael, but extremely intriguing, I wondered why I was drawn here. Any other Angels in the group? Any that resonate to Archangel Michael? Love & Blessings Carolyn O'Riley Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:33:30 -0400
It's probably no delusion, kiddo, plus you've
got a good memory too. The more we have supported each other on this list the
more and faster we grow and recall who and what we really are. Ain't this just
great? Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:55:39 +0800 To all you guys on this list, I don't think you guys know glad I am that I found you here; especially Seth, for taking the time to consider my problem and reply to me - all I can say is Thank You. What you've written has hit home - between that and what you and Kate wrote on depression - that did me in. It was full kick in the solar plexus, and I cried. God, it resonates!!! And it hurts, but the floodgates are slowly opening...... And you know Brandy appreciates it too..... Thank You Light and Love Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:51:32 -0700 Greetings fellow Michael listmates,
Well, if I understand what you are asking, (not quite sure), each incarnation can hold a certain percentage of energy from the essence--so a fragment in one body could be holding more energy of essence than another. Some essences like to have bigger energy fields, in certain lives, and can handle running a lot of intense energy through their chakra system. I think those lives they tend to have fewer concurrent ones going on at the same time. This allows essence to concentrate more on the fewer fragments, and conversely, those fragments can channel more of their essence. I for one, have a large energy field and run a lot of intense energy through myself. It's sometimes been painful, even though I'm an average-sized woman this life, that my "presence" itself often is scary to people. The kind of people I attract to myself tend to be the more intense, "big" energetically too. I have 2 other concurrent lifetimes going on that I can see. (When a friend asked me a few weeks ago, this just came to me spontaneously.) One is an elderly black woman, looked to me like in northern Africa or western Asia. The other one I get is a small boy in or near Phoenix, Arizona. The woman is near the end of her life and will be re-integrated soon, and her energy will be more focused into me and the boy when she passes over, in about 3 years or so from now.
Yeah--one time I thought I had met myself--but it turned out this person was an essence-mate. I was having an identity crisis, going, "Wait, you're in the wrong body!" heheheh
One question: what's this major cycle thing? I'm not familiar with this terminology. But yes, I think Shepherd could have been referring to parallel realities as well as this one. And considering time and space isn't limited to how we perceive it, we have all these lifetimes really simultaneously, I think that's why we can connect so readily to other lifetimes, past/future, and other grand cycles of lifetimes. Dick said:
In our lives, we've created personalities and bodies for ourselves to express in, and it is more of a merging of these than a cut and dry "this is essence, this is personality, and this is ego," or something like that, IMO. Each life is a different way of expressing essence. One impression I got was that if you really were to meet yourself in another body, another lifetime, and you were really open to them, you'd be able to see yourself through their eyes, literally, as you looked into each other's eyes. Heck, I've come close to experiencing this with other people. Not quite though.... > > This seems to be incorrect based on your words above about Holly
Coleman. Yeah that would be a trip huh! On another line....
Funny, I had that experience as well, and supposedly I am "where it's at." Or close by anyway.
I wonder about that a lot too. I find that I "trigger" things in other people, often subconsiously on my part, and then I get very upset too, because I feel like it must have been my fault they feel the way they do, and I see that part of myself they are mirroring. If I don't know the person very well it doesn't usually bother me as much as it would if they were a friend or family. Eventually I can let it go and get the lesson (usually) but still it's very frustrating to feel like they just don't get the point, or they misunderstood me and my intent. Also, then I get to look at what my intent really was, was it what I thought, or was there some deeper underlying thing I wasn't seeing then? These are things about relationships that maybe we'd never get to experience about ourselves if it weren't for other people.
I can sympathize with you Kate, sometimes I feel totally incompetent as a mother, because, I've never done this before (in this life) and in other lives I was usually a man.... I don't think you're horrible! Parenthood is hard. Your son sounds like my younger brother. The mature warrior in dominance--he was the boss, by sheer force! I don't know how my mother did it. But she's a mature server in submission, so, can you imagine the horror I faced being in between those two?? Yikes! I think we all just sometimes have to fumble along somehow, loving them, and everything else we feel, and do the best we can. (I won't ever live with them again though!) I have one son, 15 months old, and when he was about 4 months old, I'd been off work for 5 months, and I really was depressed and thought I was really gonna lose it.... I finally got some counselling, and went to a hypnotherapist, had about 8 sessions there and rememberd a whole lot of past lives that related to my issues about abandonment, losing children, and some very sad things. It didn't do much for me, although it was better than a regular psychologist that's for sure. (I woudl agree with Seth's comments on society's "therapy" opinion!) I have always been adament that I wouldn't take psychotropic drugs this life, but when this was all happening, I did consider seeing a psychiatrist, came this close, because I couldn't be here/now then for myself much less for my son and family. I needed relief. I know though that Prozac or whatever wasn't the answer, there was something deeper.... Depression: it's anger turned inward. What was it about? Feeling trapped, inadequate, isolated, no one understood me, wondering if I was doing the "right thing" with my life--if that's not enough to make someone depressed I don't know what is. Michael had told me I had a lot of anger but I didn't understand what they were talking about..... I thought, I must not appreciate what I have, that I had it really good and I just couldn't see it. When I returned to work when Evan was 5 months old, I thought just that exposure to my more "normal" life would help, but it wasn't about that. It was a part of me I was denying, that kept coming out in strange ways, ways that made me "hard" and "jagged" and got me snagged on obstacles that other people could just flow by. I found these classes that were very experiential rather than counselling, and it was a safe place where I could really cut loose, and the stuff that did come out amazed me. They had been locked away so long..... Those were the Breakthrough Training classes. Everything there was really in-your-face type of facing who you are and your core belief system, and the self-limiting beliefs that we hold. I got to see that it wasn't that I didn't appreciate what I had, it was more about my not appreciating myself, and my worthiness, power, and how I was letting circumstances run my life rather than my making conscious choices about what I was doing. After that, I didn't feel so trapped anymore. The circumstances were pretty much the same, but my attitude about them and what I could do to change them if I wanted to was completely different. There are many things in our lives we just believe we have no control over but we really do. These classes really cut into attitude, mode, and chief feature. We really do have a choice about how we feel and what we do. Certainly our body chemistry fits into the picture, and doing what we can to assist our bodies in functioning at their best is very important. I don't know if I've completely overcome depression, because there are times I still feel some of it, but from changing some of the things I do, and changing my limiting beliefs most importantly, I've been able to look at situations that snagged me in the past with a different light so to speak. I feel it really is not only our right, but our duty, to be fully present, authentic, and aware in our lives. This is one goal I work towards. I still don't agree with some of the things Seth has said regarding RUOW, even though I still hold some of those beliefs (which I see as limiting) especially about us being trapped here on Earth. I don't believe that many people on Earth are "fake" people or unintegrated pieces of "real" people.... I feel everyone has a full fragment of someone for them, although they can be only holding a small portion of that fragment within them, as that fragment could be in a shattered state, not fully integrating itself, and expressing pieces of other lifetimes, other astral beings that are with it, or other strange things, like he said, multiple personalities or such. I don't like this victimhood consciousness, or thinking angels and lucifer and god for that matter were "bad guys." I don't like this good guy/bad guy kind of thing. I like Michael's explanation better, that of the Tao always looking for experience, and expressing it through physical and other realms. That helps me better accept who I am and others for who they are, and I feel more peace that way.
Boy, a little self-dep never gets past you does it?? ;-) OK, I'll stop that, feeble attempt at humor that it was.....No, actually it wasn't feeble! heheh Thanks Kenneth....and everyone, for being here....you're all wonderful! :^) Love, Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:58:54 +0200 Hello to all you beautiful beings on this list! My name is Danielle and I live in Switzerland. I'm 39 years old. As far as the Michael Teachings are concerned I am still wet behind the ears, I would therefore be grateful if the more experienced list members could help me verify what I have gathered so far: I seem to be an old soul, 7th level scholar. Goal: Stagnation, Mode: Observation, Attitude: Pragmatist, Center: higher intellectual/higher emotional (?), Chief feature: Stubbornness. It looks like up to the age of 36, I was on the sixth level and then managed to move to the 7th is that possible? I don't think I will have another incarnation in this realm, and I truly feel like just smelling the roses for the rest of my remaining years on earth (does that sound boring?). I would like to say that you people are absolutely beautiful! Ken, thank you for posting the extracts with the soul ages. Seth, I identify very much with what you said about The Right Use of Will. I have experienced consciously integrating other lifetimes in two cases as well as the integration of an alternative ME who decided to stay with a man I left more than 15 years ago and consequently split of from my main life stream (the fragment alarmed me when it was having a potentially fatal motorcicle accident, which it managed to avoid with my help, but a short while later it died from ill health and came back to me - it considered me to be it's higher self). Bless you all! Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:00:20 -0500 Seth: A common misunderstanding about this is that the "detachment" the buddhists talk about has to do with "indiference." Also, this can lead to nihilism and despondence, something about which I have heard B. teachers of various traditions speak vigorously against. If you recall from your early Michael books, the positive pole of the Stoic attitude is outpictured by the often seen depiction of Sakyamuni Buddha sitting in the Lotus position. Granted, it's a temptation to use meditation as an escapist was of staying disengaged, but this is not what I'm referring to. By the way, there is a "new" buddhist social activism current manifesting, "Engaged Buddhism." See Thich Nhat Hahn. Compassion, healing, vigor, energy training are very much a part of what I was talking about. Aida. Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:22:22 -0400 Danielle Pestalozzi wrote:
Hello and Welcome, Danielle, I just this minute made a connection between your family name and the last earth name of one of my entity mates. His name was Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi: born Jan 12, 1746 in Zurich, Switzerland and died Feb 17, 1827 in Brugg, Switzerland. He was a reknowned educator and educational reformer. He is not expected to incarnate again. Are you from that same earth family? Perhaps you are one of my entity mates? Nietsche, Voltaire, Galileo, Henry II, and Oscar Wilde are some of my other entity mates that I know about. Do you feel any resonance with these guys?
I'll try to check your overleaves this weekend, and see what I can get.
It has become possible lately because of the quickening/ascension of the earth and its life forms.
It's OK to take a long and deep vacation now and then. But please come back to us. We'd miss you. :> )#
You're very welcome. > [clipped] Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:26:58 +0000 Just for grins...
Kurt Vonnegut's commencement address at MIT.
Ladies and gentlemen of the class of '97:
Wear sunscreen.
If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be
it. The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by
scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable
than my own meandering experience. I will dispense this advice now.
Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Oh, never mind. You will not
understand the power and beauty of your youth until they've faded. But
trust me, in 20 years, you'll look back at photos of yourself and
recall in a way you can't grasp now how much possibility lay before
you and how fabulous you really looked. You are not as fat as you
imagine.
Don't worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying is as
effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble
gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never
crossed your worried mind, the kind that blindside you at 4 pm on some
idle Tuesday.
Do one thing every day that scares you.
Sing.
Don't be reckless with other people's hearts. Don't put up with people
who are reckless with yours.
Floss..
Don't waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes
you're behind. The race is long and, in the end, it's only with
yourself.
Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you succeed
in doing this, tell me how.
Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements.
Stretch.
Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with your
life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 what they
wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most interesting
40-year-olds I know still don't.
Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You'll miss them when
they're gone.
Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll have children, maybe
you won't. Maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the funky
chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you do, don't
congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your
choices are half chance. So are everybody else's.
Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it or of
what other people think of it. It's the greatest instrument you'll
ever own.
Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room.
Read the directions, even if you don't follow them.
Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you feel ugly.
Get to know your parents. You never know when they'll be gone for
good. Be nice to your siblings. They're your best link to your past
and the people most likely to stick with you in the future.
Understand that friends come and go, but with a precious few you
should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and
lifestyle, because the older you get, the more you need the people who
knew you when you were young .
Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live
in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft.
Travel.
Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians will
philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you'll fantasize
that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were
noble, and children respected their elders.
Respect your elders.
Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund.
Maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse. But you never know when either one
might run out.
Don't mess too much with your hair or by the time you're 40 it will
look 85.
Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply
it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing
the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly
parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.
But trust me on the sunscreen.
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:31:01 -0600
(MDT) On 15 Aug 1997 Dean wrote:
Internet Hoax. Not by Kurt Vonnegut. Sorry. Seth Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:37:34 -0400
(EDT) Lori: Institute for Shamanic Studies and
Vibrational Medicine Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:38:56 -0600
(MDT) My own mail was screwed up :( Apologies if the first post ever leaves limbo and shows up... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear Seth, I'd love to get a long juicy letter about your life, or we could talk on the phone and catch up more efficiently. BTW, I'll be off-line for a few days while my computer is being fixed, and I have a very sore throat, so won't be talking on the phone this week much. < < I find it a bit unsettling that,
unlike many other Michael channels, he believes that I have no idea what she means by that. I thought that Yarbro defines an essence as a fragment of its entity, etc., and that essence = fragment. Of course, there are also fragments of our essence, but I don't think that's how Michael means the term. To my understanding, one can be a member of a primary cadence and several secondaries at the same time. Secondaries are just other permanent groups of seven, but not fundamental entity building blocks. I just scanned Kate's comments, and read most of your replies, which seemed clear and helpful. Some of her queries are answered right in "Journey," such as about inconsistencies of patterns--maybe she didn't read those sections carefully. And most of what I present is basically right out of Yarbro, particularly MMFM; maybe she hasn't read that. Can you put me on this list? Or would it be an overwhelming amount of mail? Are the posts directly e-mailed to one? Love, Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:47:57 -0400
(EDT) Dear Seth: Institute for Shamanic Studies and
Vibrational Medicine Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:42:01 -0700
(PDT) On 15 Aug 1997, Barbra Skowronski wrote:
Whoa! Thanks Barbra, for all your posts, too, but I was not the one responsible for this little treasure or hoax as it may be. I heard about it though last week on the 6 o'clock evening news. Apparently the person who really wrote this was a columnist for a newspaper and the person given credit (or accusation as it may be) for writing this is rather amused himself. Well, just what I heard.... ;-) Love, Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:28:07 -0400 RON MCLEOD wrote: > Kenneth Broom wrote:
I knew of the existence of Pestalozzi and the others via a personal living friend and entity mate and entity channel, who channeled a great deal of info from our own entity about thenselves. The specific Pestalozzi data re birth and death dates and being an educator, etc. was obtained from The Encyclopedia Brittanica.
An entity mate can also be physically alive, in a body, that you can talk to face to face. I know of several of mine within a 50 mile radius of where I am living right now
For around 60 years now. Since early childhood.
Anything conceived of can be manifested. Any entity or essence that desires to manifest more than one form on the same time line "and" in the same time frame, can do so. It is also very aware of the possible emotional effects of these fragments meeting each other. This multi-incarnation process is another means of accelerating entity growth in wisdom.
I appreciate your lack of hidden agenda and your helpful curiosity. My earth agenda:
To bring heaven to earth. Good reason enough?
Because our bodies are fed by the earth, it stands to reason that for the vast majority of us the earth must ascend first. However, it is possible for our bodies to be transmuted to a higher vibration before/while the earth transmutes its body. Be aware that the earth could have already changed its body were it not for its loving regard for the physical safety for our vulnerable little earth bodies. Thus the reason for resetting the grids. God, I hope it's the last time. Ron, thank you for your enlightening questions. I/We really appreciate them. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:55:23 -0400
(EDT) Dear Ron: I for one can and do vouch for Kenneth. There
are few like him and most of those are here on this list. Institute for Shamanic Studies and
Vibrational Medicine
On 15 Aug 1997, Kenneth Broom wrote: > RON MCLEOD wrote: > > > Kenneth Broom wrote: > > > > I just this minute made a connection between your family name and the > > > last earth name of one of my entity mates. His name was Johann Heinrich > > > Pestalozzi: born Jan 12, 1746 in Zurich, Switzerland and died Feb 17, > > > 1827 in Brugg, Switzerland. He was a reknowned educator and educational > > > reformer. He is not expected to incarnate again. Are you from that same > > > earth family? Perhaps you are one of my entity mates? > > > > Kenneth, I'm curious how you are sourcing this information. Are you getting > > this in channel with Michael, or are you tapping into something else? > > I knew of the existence of Pestalozzi and the others via a personal > living friend and entity mate and entity channel, who channeled a great > deal of info from our own entity about thenselves. The specific > Pestalozzi data re birth and death dates and being an educator, etc. was > obtained from The Encyclopedia Brittanica. > > > I assume an entity mate is spirit in form that you are able to relate to > > spiritually or through channel? > > An entity mate can also be physically alive, in a body, that you can > talk to face to face. I know of several of mine within a 50 mile radius > of where I am living right now > > > Obviously you've been into this realm of information for some time. > > For around 60 years now. Since early childhood. > > > I'm also wondering where you connect the dots > > between multiple spiritual incarnations and one expression through form? > > Anything conceived of can be manifested. Any entity or essence that > desires to manifest more than one form on the same time line "and" in > the same time frame, can do so. It is also very aware of the possible > emotional effects of these fragments meeting each other. This > multi-incarnation process is another means of accelerating entity growth > in wisdom. > > > My inquiry is strictly curiosity without a hidden agenda, other than wanting > > to know where you see yourself and your overleaves fitting into the big > > picture? > > I appreciate your lack of hidden agenda and your helpful curiosity. > > My earth agenda: > 1) To observe, learn, and comprehend with clarity. > 2) To serve self and others with love. > 3) To aid the ascension process of earth and inhabitants. > 4) All of the above greatly serve my entity mates more than I am able to > realize. > > > > Here's another question? I understand through the Kryon Material that it is > > now possible for more expressions (although few) to choose to ascend and in > > deed experience not only this incarnation but to experience their next > > sojourn in flesh as well. Why? > > To bring heaven to earth. Good reason enough? > > > I really don't see a necessity or purpose > > for it unless it is to help with the ascension of Earth first. The current > > Kryon channelling states very clearly (and I'm not suggesting, nor accepting > > this information as a final authority), that unless Mother Earth raised in > > consciousness, it is virtually impossible to see the physical form evolve > > either. Thus the explanation for the Kryon to reset the grids for a fourth > > and final time. This process is occurring as we communicate.\\ > > Because our bodies are fed by the earth, it stands to reason that for > the vast majority of us the earth must ascend first. However, it is > possible for our bodies to be transmuted to a higher vibration > before/while the earth transmutes its body. Be aware that the earth > could have already changed its body were it not for its loving regard > for the physical safety for our vulnerable little earth bodies. Thus the > reason for resetting the grids. God, I hope it's the last time. > > Ron, thank you for your enlightening questions. I/We really appreciate > them. > > Peace and Light to You and Yours, > Kenneth Broom, Columbia, MD, USA > aka I.A.M. Research
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:58:18 -0400 Ron wrote: Kenneth Replied: Ron re-replied: Kenneth replies: > [clipped] Kenneth replied: Ron re-replied: per Kenneth: Ron, please tell us who is this Kryon. Is there a web site about Kryon. Also, along with information from Kryon, please tell us what "you" think and feel. That is if you "feel" to. > I am attending a Kryon seminar in Banff,
Alberta (my home province in Please share some of this with us when you can. > What a superb time to be consciousness of this activity! God, is it ever. We do live in interesting times don't we. A Gentle Suggestion if I may: Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:23:24 -0400 Dear Ron McCleod, I am finding your Kryon material very interesting. Thanks for the Kryon web site URL. I'll check it out when I get a chance. I'll also respond to your last post when I get a chance. Please, when you wish to post a message to the Michael Teachings List, instead of emailing it to me, please post it directly to "michael-teachings-l@spiritweb.org". I'll get it also. This way I won't have to repost it myself, and all of the list members can enjoy/participate in our sharing without my posting it myself. The "l" at the end of the "teachings-l" is an "l" as in "list", not a "1" as in "one" Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:27:59 -0400 Posting of Ron McLeod's email to Kenneth Broom: Subject: Re: Kryon Material > limitations, and especially
"without" our full complement of DNA strands The DNA issue is related to an anomaly in our BASE-10 system of math and science. It has been convenient for its ease of use, but the Kryon information states that "...galactic math and the math of Spirit is all BASE-12. This is information that is critical for you to know and begin to understand for you to communicate correctly with those who are coming." The Kryon further addresses the DNA deficiencies in channel, and I quote: "Dear ones, you have been told by other channels something which has been discussed by Kryon as well: that you have twelve strands of DNA. Why do you think there are twelve? For those who don't believe you have twelve, we ask you then to simply look at the two you do believe in. When you look at the two visible biological strands, what do you see in the organization of them? The answer is that you see the pattern of four repeated three times...over and over and over. So your biology and your DNA structure is base twelve! We also ask those who have studied the ancient science of acupuncture, How many meridians did the masters teach you were on each side of the human body? Naturally the answer is twelve!" And how about this one, Kenneth. Apparently, there is no such thing as pi the way we've MIS-understood it. It is blatantly wrong: Kryon: "Dear ones, why would Sprit give you such an irrational number within the sacredness of geometry? The number for pi does not go on forever. Also of interest is that your pi is relative only to your own time frame. Universal pi is different from yours. This will only become clear when you understand what time does to spherical shapes (there is an actual physical relationship change). "
There is a Web site http://www.pic.net/kryon/index.html If you don't mind, I offer an edited quotation of Kryon's explanation who he is: "My name isn't really Kryon, and I am not a man. I wish I could impart to you what it is like to be the entity that I am, but there are basic human implants of psychological restriction that simply will not let you understand. I will expound on this later. My name is a '"thought group"' or '"energy package"' that surrounds me and is recognizable by all other entities. This same package is sent in my communications and identifies me at all times. "...My name energy package (which is different than my communications energy package) consists of three parts: (1) TONE - What you perceive as sound, but is perceived here in a non auditory fashion, (2) LIGHT FREQUENCY - what you perceive as light and color, and (3) FORM - what you perceive as shapes and designs. It is presented singularly as one package, and perceived in a way which is not significant to you at this time. Most of my name package is out of the range of any of your human senses. ...It is very interesting to me that those humans "in touch" with this side of the veil for many years have not really put this energy package together yet. Your restrictive implant design is responsible of your two-dimensional reasoning, but those with balance should have been able to put this together before now. It's time to begin! You have many enlightened writings about the meanings of color, light, sound and shape design and you recognize their significance. But you must think three dimensionally about these things, and put them together for them to be truly meaningful. To many these items separately just seem as loose knowledge, and are passively interesting. When you put them together and start to work with them, they will become alive with energy. Believe it! It is how things work!" What am I? I am of magnetic service. This means two things to you, and I will start with the latter: service. My entity is one of service. I have never been a human or anything else but Kryon. My entire purpose is to serve in a specified capacity the "schools" throughout the universe where the entities such as yourselves are located. There are many schools of various levels, some that are lower and some higher than your own. ...All of us in service celebrate you and your work. Many of you started in service, and elected to change. Some of you were invited to change, and did so willingly. The decisions of the whole always match the will of the individual. Love is the power source and it is of singular origin." Why am I here? "Before I can tell you exactly why I am here, I must explain more about the way things work for you. You will then understand more about my service, and why I am here. Many of you are reading this now with the hopes of gleaning something precious, perhaps something meaningful - something that comes from a longing in your soul to know the truth about things. This is your freshly awakened sense of spirituality: You recognize that there is something more to life than simply feeding yourself and protecting yourself from perishing (another implant). ...Humans have always searched for God. This is simply a home-sickness that reflects the absence of your connection to communication while you are in lesson. It is basic cellular desire, and is global. Things are beginning to change, and that's why I'm here. The old Earth, middle Earth, and new Earth refer to three basic consciousness levels of humans (not to be confused with time dispensations of human making) over the earthly time since the beginnings of the "in lesson" entities on Earth. We are now coming to the fourth level, which has tremendous potential and will be the last. It is the age of responsibility, or enlightenment. It is where you finally take charge." Source: Kryon - The End Times (New Information for personal peace) Book 1, 2, 3 Channeled Teachings Publisher: The Kryon Writings, 1155 - Camino Del Mar - #422 Del Mar, CA 92014 ...that's about it Kenneth. I've been studying/teaching philosophy for some time and my "feel" is that it is pure. In particular, I love Kryon's expansive sense of humour. We give them many opportunities to express it!
Absolutely true, and your comments are greatly appreciated. Can you expand on this admonition for me please? Concerning your comments on Atlantis in your last post. When I was going through some major conscious shifting, and dumping my current load of Karma - I was given an explanation of the associated fear that usually accompanies major changes involving the physical psyche: I was told that, apart from being an "old soul", I had drown in a slave ship of that period. This helped explain my claustophia, fear of water, and more importantly, fear of termination. Apparently the fear originated from that death experience and is common to a number of us terminated after beginning individual consciousness expansion at previously. Regardless, we associated that consciousness shift with "termination." Interestingly enough, I previously had given no credence to reincarnation, nor to the existence of Atlantis. Since you've mentioned being there, and I'd like to hear more from you concerning your experiences, here's a bit about what Kryon covers concerning Atlantis that I thought you might be interested in Kenneth: "...Now, in those days, dear ones, there was an interesting triad of energy. this triad was government, religion and science, and in that time they were all combined into one. There was reason why this should be, for it was human intuition that this should take place. It made sense for the time, but as we join this story we see that it was not serving humans well at all. The reason it was intuitive and rang true was because it was similar to the way it was in Atlantis and Lemuria, one of the most scientific periods you have every had. Religion, government and science were one, and the governors were also the priests, and the priests were the scientists. And oh how Spirit longs for you to again put that same triad together so that it would serve you in this new age of wisdom. But you were wise to separate them when you did, for the energy did not support the wisdom it takes to combine them effectively." The focus of this discussion moves into our current scenario whereby we believe that there has been ONE central explosion or "Big Bang" to account for ONE God, or ONE life. Kryon maintains there have been MANY and the prove is in the varying ages of the stars/galaxies themselves that do not agree with our "Big Bang" chronology. I hope I've provided you with some interesting reading. One of the "six disciplinary rules" for the channeller, Lee Carroll, is that NO solicitation be made for Kryon followers. I hope no one believes that is the purpose for this post! It is simply a sharing of information that was given in love by Kryon. I take no credit nor blame for its content, nor do I consider myself a devotee. I am simply Spirit awakening in form like the rest of you. Ron McLeod Date: 15 Aug 1997 15:04:46 -0700 Hi everyone, I'm coming out of hiding just long enough to prove my newbi-ness or whatever with regards to Michael Teachings. I am very interested in Channelling/angels/etc. and have read a limited amount on Michael Teachings (mostly what I have surfed through). I find it fascinating and definitely sits well in my soul. My question: How do I find out what "level" my soul is at? Do I need a "reading"? Can I tell by my level of awareness? Please excuse my inexperience... but I want to learn more... and I want to let everyone know that I really enjoy reading the posts that come my way. Thank you all! Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:21:56 -0400 RON MCLEOD wrote:
This fits in with what little I know about Galactic Astrology and the angular relationships that are based on the number twelve. I will play with some of the base twelve relationships a little. It should prove interesting.
How about blatantly different from Kryon's. In a universe of almost uncountable realities and perceptions is there such a thing as "wrong" when comparing these realities? I would expect that using different radices would result in some ratios being rational and some being irrational.
Spirit gave each of us the will and the way to figure out stuff our own way. And to play with realities... and to try out different things and relations to see what is what and when is when... to posit our own questions and theories and to seek our own versions of proof and truth. In a multi-reality universe there is no one answer as to what is correct. Truth is reality-specific. Only in the "One" reality of the "Prime Creator's Perception" or "The Tao" is there one answer, and this one correctness enfolds all other correctnesses and truths. Yes, pi can be different in different realities. I know that we on earth have much much more to learn about the way our own universe really works. Then there are the truths of other universes. Truth is relative to the universe that one inhabits. [clipped]
By "all" other entities? You can lead a blind man to water, but you can't make him fly. Most of us earthlings by dint of our social conditioning and our presently limited brains just cannot yet mentally perceive the concepts that Kryon is talking about. Most of us who channel or have OBE's do understand what Kryon is talking about, i.e. recognizing individuals and groups by "feel" rather than by name. On the astral Robert Monroe talked about communicating via thought packages of data that he called "rotes".
All this will happen and much much more. [clipped]
Ron, I appreciate your sharing this with us. You are correct. To me it "feels" pure, and to me it does not "only".
If my statement is "absolutely true" for you then the expansion of this comment/admonition is the totality of your own being. Your wisdom and your totality exist on many levels and in many realities at once. [clipped]
They weren't quite all one. I'd rather say that the available wisdom did not support the righteous use of that wonderful available energy. Some of us engineer/priests warned the governors and the populace, but they refused to understand the principles of feedback and resonance, and karma, if you will. They refused, like some so many business folks today, to look far enough down the road of their destiny to see the probable results of their actions and inactions.
Yes, there were many big bangs, and each big bang lasted a looooong time. Evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Hey Ron, that was fun. Thanks eh, and many alohas to you and yours. Peace and Light from Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:34:43 -0400 The sentence: Ron, I appreciate your sharing this with us. You are correct. To me it "feels" pure, and to me it does not "only". should be Ron, I appreciate your sharing this with us. You are correct. To me it "feels" pure, and to me it does not feel "only". Sorry folks. I'm getting better. Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:57:12 -0600 At 12:15 AM 8/16/97 -0000, you wrote:
A math whiz by the name of Randy Masters has done an exhaustive study on the BASE-12 issue, and it was published in Kryon "Alchemy of the Human Spirit, Book III". I read it, but understood nearly nothing of it, but perhaps your engineering interest will prevail should you feel inclined to check it out. > Hey Ron, that was fun. Thanks eh, and many alohas to you and yours. And back to you and yours. I enjoyed the repartee immensely and look forward to more. Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:08:02 +0200 Dear Kenneth, Kenneth Broom wrote:
Yes, its the same family, however a different branch in the family tree. I am not a descendent of Johann Heinrich. I don't think we are entity mates, but I am getting a feeling your might know an entity mate of mine (perhaps another family member or acquaintance).
I don't feel any resonance to these men. Oddly enough I do not feel resonance to classical literature at all, I do however feel close to some scientists like Leonardo da Vinci, Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, C.G. Jung, etc.
Wow, I would really appreciate that! Thank you for taking the time. Love, Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:00:07 -0700 Jennifer Slatten wrote:
Hi Jen! Welcome and thanks for posting.... I find that the most difficult thing for me has been finding out what soul-age level I'm at. It's changed, even just in the past 3 years or so. Getting a reading would probably help, but by going over the descriptions of the levels you might be able to identify where you're at. I got different levels read to me from different channels and I thought it was rather confusing (but over time it seemed the level went up rather than down.) And since I'm not even at the physical age yet that Michael says we fully manifest our true soul age potential, (in your mid-thirties or later) I sometimes wonder..... but, it's not that important--we all take the journey in our own ways and these levels are just guidelines.
That's great! We're all here for this same
reason I think! :) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 97 22:38:44 UT Lori, BTW, I also like thinking about there is no right way or wrong way....there just "IS" <s> Hugs all over, -----Original Message----- From: Lori and Sal Tostado Sent: Thursday, August 14, 1997 9:46 PM To: Michael Teachings List Subject: Concurrent lifetimes, depression, and self-dep Lori wrote: I don't like this good guy/bad guy kind of thing. I like Michael's explanation better, that of the Tao always looking for experience, and expressing it through physical and other realms. That helps me better accept who I am and others for who they are, and I feel more peace that way.
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:37:21 -0500 Re the following and some thoughts on MONADS:
I want to chime in that it's curious to me that there has been no talk until now about internal and relational monads. I have found that as I go through the internal monads, enormous changes churn their way through my personal experience, and I have found that having perspective on them after reading Michael has been helpful, just as knowing about soul age and levels has been. I am leery of sounding patronizing to others going through internal monads that I have already resolved, let me add. Even so, I find it useful to communicate with others who have completed monads I have not yet gone through in this life - though, of course, having the experience oneself is another thing altogether, isn't it!!! (Examples: parenthood and marriage - holy smoke!) I would like to hear stories about monadal experiences from listmates over time. The mid-life crisis one is interesting to me now, as is the "senior citizen's" monad. They're all interesting though. (I have some doozies to tell about breaking away from my birth family. That was a major chunk for me!!! ) Re OVERLEAVES: Re CENTERS: Though it does not sound remarkable in writing, for me it was!. It felt like Michael's proverbial "good work" because I had willed to release my habitual grip! Feels good! Good wishes to you all - Aida. Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:38:36 -0500 Welcome Jennifer! There's a lot of scholars on this list (hi guys!) but some of us are otherwise - I'm a slave/server I've figured out. (Either that or I have really heavy socialization to act like one or something... ) And don't worry about "your level of inexperience" - remember many of the postings are by Scholars - and they thrive on juggling information! Not all of us are hard-wired that way... I am relatively new to all this myself, and I have figured out my overleaves from working with a book by the title of THE MICHAEL HANDBOOK by authors Jose Stevens, PhD and Simon Warwick-Smith. It's well-digested and organized basic Michael stuff, and it contains brief questionnaires and exercises you can use to tease out your role in essence, age, overleaves. It's very easy to work with. I bought it for about $15. The other thing I like about this book is that it addresses ways to work with making changes for the positive - how to move to positive poles of the overleaves, how to change and balance the "centers" and work one's way out of energetic traps, how to undo one's chief feature and why that's important to do. I would love to have stuff channeled for me, but am not willing at this point to spend the money, and am suspicious of my wanting to get something for nothing, so I haven't asked anyone to channel for me for free yet. And yet, I seem to just have done it so, here it is outright: MESSAGES TO LISTMATES: 2)Also, personally, I am interested more in working with application of the material to working with daily stuff than to spiraling out to the realm of cadres and angels at this point. The metaphysical semantics thread was very interesting to me, and I will resume it soon if someone elso doesn't do it first. 3)Many postings include little encoded messages I don't understand yet - email code, I guess. What's this :) or this :^/ and so on... (are they litle sideways faces?) And what about IMO (that's a the name of a pizza franchise here in St. Louis...) or BTW (a car?) Please educate me! 4)Finally, let's hear from people other than scholars sometime! I truly love what the scholars are bringing to the party - I really admire your focus and breadth of exploration - even if yu kant spel tu save yur lifs (just yoking!) - but I want to listen from those who input on 2 levels (priests and slaves), 3 levels (sages), and the ever-amazing multi-level artisans (as many as 8 Michael says!). Also from Kings and Warriors, of course. With great fondness for all of you ... and
many thanks too - ---------- > Subject: Hi, I will lurk no more... > Date: Friday, August 15, 1997 4:58 PM > > Hi everyone, > > I'm coming out of hiding just long enough to prove my newbi-ness or whatever > with regards to Michael Teachings. I am very interested in > Channelling/angels/etc. and have read a limited amount on Michael Teachings > (mostly what I have surfed through). I find it fascinating and definitely > sits well in my soul. My question: How do I find out what "level" my soul is > at? Do I need a "reading"? Can I tell by my level of awareness? > > Please excuse my inexperience... but I want to learn more... and I want to > let everyone know that I really enjoy reading the posts that come my way. > > Thank you all! > Peace, > Jen
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:59:45 -0400 Kenneth Broom wrote:
Ditto to you, Kenneth. I'm enjoying your posts. :) -- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:03:34 -0400 Kenneth Broom wrote:
Boy, this inner guidance you got is very similar to what I received as a very young child. I was told by my guides (I felt I was raised by spiritual entities rather than my physical 7th level young soul parents) to "do what gives you a deep, quiet inner sense of contentment." The quietness was stressed. The other piece of advice they first gave me, somewhere around age 8 or so was that, "If you stand against the wall and wait for people to come to you, it will never happen. You have to go to them." An interesting bit of advice for a Sage in Observation. <G> -- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:13:49 -0400 Barbra Skowronski wrote:
Have been trying this, thanks. :)
I'm looking for a source of this. Sounds good. Love stones.
Where do you purchase this tape? Sounds good. Thanks! -- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:17:18 -0400 Dean wrote:
Dean, thanks for sharing that. I can't count how many depressed and/or suicidal old souls I've met in this lifetime. I've not met one who hasn't gone through that at one time or another. Kate Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:19:14 -0400 Sheri Casey wrote:
Sheri, thanks for coming out of lurk! No, certainly you are not alone. It is incredibly comforting for us Old Souls to find each other. Virtual hugs to you. :) Kate
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