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Michael Chat with
Nancy Gordon

(12/07/2008)


Opening Comments


<NancyG> Michael, are we ready?

<NancyG/Michael> We are here, Nancy. We are here for each of you this time and place. There is something very important about words. Think of the ways that you have been talking to each other tonight. Words are the expression that is more common than any other means of connecting with another one of you. There is always the lifted eyebrow. The curled or smiling mouth. The position of the hand. The straight or bent torso. Eyes flash, legs cross, breath is steady or ragged or shallow. And all of these signal a certain element that is transmitted from you to another of your choice.

It is the spoken and written word, however, that offers the greatest range of exchange, the choice that is the least likely to be misinterpreted. But if clumsily handled, even words may not transfer exactly what you had in mind.

"In mind." That is the place where your words are formed, is it not? Each syllable has been formed with its neighbor to take what is in mind of yours to what will be 'in mind' of the object of your thought: the mind of the person it is intended for. This is the assumption that you make. And in general, this assumption is correct. Your thought 'in mind' becomes a thought 'in mind' of another.

We ask you, therefore, how careful are you in forming these thoughts? How much care goes into your exchange? How helpful, how truthful, how loving are your words? Even explanations of rules, mechanisms, opportunities have a place in the triad helpful/truthful/loving.

Are then all words gentle and soft, devoid of strength/force?

Not at all. Shouting a warning must be forceful. Managing a large number of people in a public place requires volume and strength. Confronting another being who intends you harm requires both force and strength as you ward off his/her harm. But in general, words are often used with little thought given to how they will be heard/read. These are the words that we suggest you might weigh more often than you do. Remember your audience, whether a child or a mature loved one, whether a stranger of a friend, an employee or a superior, one or a whole multitude.

The gift of speech, as your anthropolists like to term it, is wrapped in many layers of understanding and too often misunderstanding. Think of words as gifts, and they become an offering of yourself. If that offering is ragged and abraded, the gift is tarnished from the beginning. If that gift is held by you as it comes from you in its true form, then it will be received as meant.

We understand that some words are meant to scold, meant to inform, meant to comfort, meant to deter. All of the expressions that the human fragment is capable of. We only suggest that thinking before you speak/write might wrap those words in greater truth than they might be, left to themselves.

<NancyG> We are ready for questions now.


Q & A

<Jannokas85> I would like to ask about my partner. We met 5 years ago and from the start there was a strong feeling of "pre-planned". Did we have any agreements prior to entering this life?

<NancyG> (Janno, I do not have a picture of your partner. But I will see what happens.)

<NancyG/Michael> The fragment Janno and his partner do have an agreement to join in this life. This agreement was made, along with others, before this incarnation. There is no karma attached to this agreement, merely the recognition that they agreed to connect. Since they have done so, the rest of their association is up to them. There is no objective to the partnering other than the partnership itself.

<Jannokas85> Thank you! :)
<DaveGregg> Mario, you're next...


<MarioN> Does michael have any tips from decording your mind experiences with someone or from previous experiences in life?

<NancyG/Michael> The process of decording is relatively simple. We have described this before. For many the best time to engage in decording is during a bathing. Often the shower bath is very effective. During the bathing, running a soapy hand or cloth over the body saying silently or aloud that all the cords that have been attached by someone else are being removed is enough to finish the attachment.

It is wise to send them back to their source with compassion and love. The next step is to decord any that that the person him or her self has attached to others. Following the same method, saying I intend to detach any cords I have put on another and I offer my apologies for this invasion, is enough to terminate the connection. Again, sending love to replace the cord will heal the attached place and return the cord to its source where it can be dissolved.

Now we will address the less than material form of attachment. In general we do not perceive these as 'cording'. The attempt by a fragment to enter the mind of another fragment is not cording. It has elements of attachment, it is true, but on a different level.

This kind of connection involves a sender and a receiver, both of whom have to consent to the connection. One cannot enter the mind of another without his/her consent. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the one who feels violated to dissolve the connection at that end. This can be done with just the words of intention. It may take several attempts to thoroughly counter the attack, but persistence will work to dissolve the unwanted interference.

Notice we say 'unwanted'. At least in the beginning, there was an acceptance of the connection. Only when it is realized as negative does it become unwanted. There is no occasion when a fragment can be coerced into being a receiver unwillingly. It would be useful to bear this in mind.


<MarioN> How do I let the attacker know that I don't want his/her intromission anymore?

<NancyG/Michael> As we have said, this is up to the receiver. IT is necessary to detach from that end. It is not necessary that the sender be aware of this at all. It will become apparent to the sender eventually that the receiver is no longer tolerating the connection.

<MarioN> Thanks. :)
<DaveGregg> Juliekdc, you're next...


<juliekdc> Shamanic journeys - Normally I’m in contact with those on the astral plane. Last few months instead I'm getting people who are in physical – people I don’t know personally. I’ve seen the musician M.S. (he’s in physical) almost every day the last few weeks. Why is he showing up, & for what purpose, how do I make sense of this?

<NancyG/Michael> When a fragment becomes an adept at journeying, it sometime happens that there is no longer a barrier between the physical and the astral. This is apparently what the woman Julie is experiencing. As the experience deepens, the connection with others who are similarly able is more likely. The energy extended is noticed and it is a matter of 'birds of a feather'. Just as those of you who are interested in a particular hobby, say, will find others who are also, so in the journeying, there will be recognition of a fellow.

The recognition of the man M.S. is in this vein. He is also a journeyer although he does not grasp what he is doing on a conscious level. He does his traveling during sleep. This seemingly random experience for the woman Julie is actually the coming together with others of like interest and ability.

A great deal of information can be acquired through contact with fellow travelers. Unless there is a sense of maliciousness attached to these experiences, we consider them an opportunity to exchange energy/information.


<juliekdc> Is there something I'm to learn from him or he from me?

<NancyG/Michael> Try connecting and see.

<juliekdc> Thank you so very much.
<DaveGregg> YY2, you're next...


<yy2> Hi Nancy, and Michael. I am Yung Yung Tsuai Lerner. Who are my spiritual guides? How do i connect with them?

<NancyG/Michael> There are three guides who work with you. They do not have names as such, but you can give them names if you wish.

The first is a female energy, one of strength and solid 'appearance'. The next is a male, exuding a youngness, a carefree kind of energy. The last is more of a formless energy, neither male nor female. This guide holds a sense of haven, a place to retreat to when things seem chaotic. We do not 'see' them with shapes. We see their signature energies. You may give them shape if you wish.

In answer to the question How does one connect with guides? We suggest using the time of meditation to work with them. This will take some practice and as with much of the interior life, it requires intention and at least in the beginning a certain mental discipline. In this respect practice makes perfect.


<yy2> Thank you
<DaveGregg> Karen C, you're next...


<karen_c> What is it I most need to learn or understand about the nature of my karma in this life - if any - with solitude vs. intimacy and partner relationships?

<NancyG/Michael> For the woman Karen, the work of relating to another is part of the life task. This relating flows outward in all directions, not only toward the males in life, but toward all others as well.

This is a task, not a karmic condition. Developing relationships that afford a level of intimacy does not come easily to this fragment. And the best way to work with it is to meet it head on, as you would say. Solitude is attractive, no doubt, and staying behind the barriers of social rules allows the fragment to believe that it is preferable and comfortable. Life tasks are designed to alter these tendencies to comfort the false personality by giving in to it under the impression that it is a true friend.

We suggest a good look at the need for exaggerated solitude and ask the question: Of what am I afraid? The answer may surprise you.


<karen_c> thank you so much
<DaveGregg> Jyoti, you're next...


<Jyoti_S> I believe i have talent with writing skills. Would like to quit my current job, which is no longer creative. Would like to take up free lance content writing/rewriting full time. I have already started doing this in my spare hours. What does Michael have to say about my skills and how far they can help me to achieve the success that I would like in this kind of work.

<NancyG/Michael> The work of putting words on paper in order to reach many more minds than verbal words can holds an attraction for a priest. This urge is quite understandable in this fragment. The possibility of earning a living at this, however, is shrouded in cultural and economic maya. If there is other support for the necessities of life, then the attraction becomes less formidable and can be pursued with impunity. In that event, success can be measured in satisfaction, not in monetary reward. If, however, income is paramount, then the objective becomes less certain.

We cannot say how successful this fragment's talent will be. We do urge a considerable amount of research into who will be the audience for the writing, what possibilities are there for publication, what connections does this fragment have that may foster success in that direction, and who does she know who is presently reaping some success and can mentor her in her endeavor.


<Jyoti_S> Cultural and economic maya? How do I understand this? I feel creatively satisfied doing this work, but of course monetary gain is a consideration. Necessities of life are being taken care of already by my partner.

<NancyG/Michael> Cultural maya is what is the usual route for a fledgling writer within the milieu that governs the fragment's life. Economic Maya is the reality of the marketplace. Who will buy and for how much.

<Jyoti_S> Thanks Nancy, Michael and Dave.
<DaveGregg> DeborahD, you're next...


<DeborahD> I’m currently reading a wonderful book called “Tony and me”, written by actor Jack Klugman celebrating his loving friendship with the late Tony Randall. I was wondering if these 2 men were task companions? They even seem close enough to be Essence Twins, but since they worked together so much I guessed they might be TCs. Or did they just share a lot of lives together, or are they in the same cadre?
 
<NancyG/Michael> This was a partnership made 'ad hoc', that is to say there was no agreement or karma involved, and they were not Task Companions. This was a case of recognition of talent and the ability to blend two very great egos into a most successful bond.

The relationship blossomed and continued to expand during the years that these two fragments worked together. They developed a respect and admiration for each other that approached kinship.


<DeborahD> thanks very much
<DaveGregg> Barbara H, you're next...


<Barbara_H> One time, when I was doing the Form in Tai Chi, my consciousness switched to a dog that was chained up in a lot next door. I could see my body through the window to the Tai Chi school. It was traumatic. I have no awareness of choosing it. Why did it happen?

<NancyG/Michael> The oriental exercise known as Tai Chi, when pursued diligently, can eventually allow the consciousness to transport away from the physical body. What this fragment was 'seeing' was a projection of her body toward the animal outside the space in which she was then. When this experience happens with no warning or plan, it can indeed be traumatic. The choice, by the way, was by the True Personality, not by the physical personality.

As for the Why? we suggest that the animal, being outside, was the first being that the projected body-thought found when released from the physical.


<Barbara_H> Thank you
<DaveGregg> RL, you're next...


<RL2072> Hi Nancy & Michael. I'd just like to know where I'm at in my 4th IM and if Michael has any advice for me.

<NancyG/Michael> The fragment Rick has only begun his journey through the fourth internal monad. This is a time of initiating the changes that will eventually become the person he is rather than the person he has tried to be.

We suggest that there will be a few more years to go before the monad is ended. We also suggest that consciousness of what is happening will shorten the experience. Those who wander through the fourth internal monad unwittingly often find themselves floundering about for quite some time, years even. But those who recognize the event for what it is, the sloughing off of accretions that are not the 'real' person, can manage with fewer years. It is not a thing that usually is done in months, although we have known some who managed it thusly, but a half dozen years is not unusual.


<RL2072> ok thanks
<DaveGregg> John W, you're next...


<john_w>  so, is there any way to strengthen self control in dreams? one time i was flying just by thinking about it. also, in another dream i got bit on the neck and killed by a snake, which was too intense for words. what can you tell me about this?

<NancyG> (John, I don't have a photo of you, so it will be harder to connect. Will see how it goes.)

<NancyG/Michael> Dreams are an expression of many things. Some of these things are thoughts that have no other outlet. Others are 'teaching' dreams, promoted by guides and guardians with the cooperation of the Higher Self. Others are fantasies that run like a movie through the mind, to be appreciated as entertainment.

The flying dream was one of these latter. The experience of flying 'just by thinking about it' is common to many humans. We also experienced this when we were on the physical plane. It is a rather mild but distant connection with the memory of being without a body.

The snake event is a memory of a past life. The intensity is the key here. In a life lived some 400 years ago, you were working in a wooded area, gathering fallen limbs for your charcoal business, and in the process of your gathering disturbed a snake. It was not a poisonous snake, but the place where you were bitten made that of little matter. You died almost immediately. Therefore it is no wonder you not only remember the dream, but that it was not a comfortable memory.


<john_w> hey, thanks.
<DaveGregg> Nanc, you're next...


<Nanc> Could you please tell me how I am stopping myself from channeling and do I need a partner?

<NancyG/Michael> The ability to channel is one of range. There are those for whom it comes easily and so one might say 'naturally'. For others it is more laborious, but it can still be done. And for some it just is not going to be possible, often given constraints that are part of either the overleaves or the physical personality or both.

For the woman Nanc, we would believe that the difficulty lies in a middle ground: It can be done, but it will be difficult. We do not have an agreement with you to channel us. That does not mean that you cannot connect with us sometime, only that we have not connected with you. Your desire to channel might be better answered by attempting to connect with an astral energy in the beginning. After success with this kind of energy, you might decide that it is just the connection you have been looking for.

We do not perceive any need for a partner, but that does not preclude the possibility that you might prefer one. The energy of two fragments, both with a channeling desire, will be much stronger than one alone. This is a choice, however. Channeling is always a connection between a sender energy and a receiver energy. Making the appropriate connection is the 'trick'.


<Nanc> much appreciation
<DaveGregg> Mheinze, you're next...


<M_Heinze> I'm curious to know about the man J. - he is 46 & resides in the Upper West bit of Manhattan. Do we have Agreement(s) / History / Genuine Connection?

<NancyG/Michael> The man J. was your father in a life lived several centuries ago. In that lifetime you and he established a bond that was only broken with the death of the man. This bond is what has driven the sense that you and the fragment might have an agreement. You do not, as such. But you recognize each other and this works almost as honoring an agreement.

<M_Heinze> thanks so much xoxo
<DaveGregg> Oana, you're next...


<oanachampion> I wanna ask if I've met my ET in this incarnation? If so, is it anyone from my family or any of my friends?

<NancyG/Michael> The Entity Twin of the woman Oana is not incarnate at this time. There was a few years overlap of the two fragments at the time of the woman Oana's birth, but the Entity Twin died when she was five.

Since then the attention of the Entity Twin has been on assisting the woman Oana, mostly when they join together on the astral during Oana's sleep. Quite often when faced with a dilemma or decision, the woman Oana will feel her Entity Twin offering support or counsel.


<oanachampion> thank you so much :)
<DaveGregg> Heather, you're next...


<heatherh> I live in a region where the ecosystem is under pressure from the extraction of oil from tar sands. I feel that the material well-being of the world matters spiritually and yet the economic desire here is so strong. How can one increase the awareness of the spiritual benefit of balance within the culture (northern Alberta, Canada) most heavily involved?

<NancyG/Michael> There is the beginning of a more appropriate consciousness toward the fruits of the earth among the populations of the day.

Remember that the objective of the Young soul world has been to DO, and in the doing much has been ignored relative to the earth's biosphere. The transition from Young soul world to Mature soul world, which is beginning to take place, will not be completed in the lifetime of those present, nor in the lifetimes of the next generation. For the time being, those with a more Mature or Old soul outlook will find themselves, as this fragment does, trying to alert the troops, so to speak, and having heavy weather doing it. The only thing that an individual can do is to live as consciously as possible. The thought that 'something must be done' is normal, but not without difficulty.

If there is a group presently where the fragment Heather lives and she is the joining sort, then that may be the answer to her need for involvement in patiently alerting others to the dangers of using up the resources which in reality are abundant but will not stand so much longer.


<heatherh> Thank you Michael
<DaveGregg> Avatar, you're next...


<avatar415> I have a 3 part question. Part 1) Are mankind's activities having a significant effect on global warming?

<NancyG> (Only one part questions, please.)

<NancyG/Michael> The most significant element in the warming of the planet earth is the altering of the ocean currents. What damage that human beings can do is part, a smaller part, of the total picture. This is not to say that there is no need to alter some of the ways of life that have been obvious. We suggest that waste material and heavier than air air are problems that want solving. But there is a rhythm to the planet and the warming that is noticeable now is part of that rhythm. It has been going on, incidentally for far longer than your consciousness of it. The actual changes that you are now seeing began in the early part of the last century.

<DaveGregg> Geraldine, you're next...


<Geraldine> I'm interested in the stories that go way back into prehistory--the tales that were eventually written down as scriptural stories in various holy books. What civilization do the original stories about angels "falling to earth" or being ejected from heaven come from? Do they represent a historical truth?

<NancyG/Michael> There have been visitations to earth by non-humans throughout earth's history. Some of these visitations are by devas, some by astral energies, some by aliens (yes, from other galaxies), and some from the fertile imaginations of the humans here.

It is possible for astral energies, for instance, to take on the appearance of anything that is expected of them. If you want to see an angel, then this energy will oblige with wings and harps and all.

The accounts of 'angels' in the Hebrew testament, for example, without exception describe larger than life human beings. They are with no exception male, and they eat and speak and act like men. The 'angels' of the Zoroastrians, the amesha spentas, are more like the medieval winged beings. The spirits of the orient quite often are depicted as demons, rather than angelic.

So in a way they do represent an historic truth. They have been seen and recorded. They are not 'fallen', however. They were not ejected from heaven nor did they come a cropper of a divine being. These were cultural robes that they were forced to wear as a result of the mindset of the times.


<Geraldine> Thank you :)
<DaveGregg> Hao, you're next...


<hao> A question about my life task. In previous channeling you said that in this lifetime my focus is primarily on the discernment between what is reality and what is non-reality and I have tasked myself in this life with the job of learning to operate under conditions that would surprise and confuse most people. While I do have a feeling ...that it is all about in what way I communicate with other people, I still cannot understand your somewhat "abstract" description of my life task. So would you please elaborate on it in more details, especially what did you mean by reality, non-reality and "conditions that would surprise and confuse most people"?

<NancyG/Michael> We have a problem here, but we will try to sort it out. The basic tension between cultures is where there is a necessity of discerning between 'reality' and 'unreality'. This could be better described as understanding what is workable and what is not.

Turning from one way of thinking and doing to another way and then back again is certainly a condition that would surprise and confuse most people. Indeed, we think that it sometimes confuses this fragment. Communication among the circles that range from the inner world of family and very close friends to the outer world of job and social involvement where the participants wear another face is the key to the learning experience an experience that is the foundation of the life task.


<hao> Thank you.
<DaveGregg> That was the last question, Nancy.


Closing Comments

<NancyG/Michael> This has been a long road of words for all of you. Even if the questions have been couched in personal experiences, much of what we have said can be understood as applying to the whole. In words there is a kind of community. As long as there is agreement on what a word means, there is connection. It is when one person in a dialogue asserts something using certain words, and they are heard by the other with definitions that are unique and different, that difficulties arise.

We ask you, therefore, to offer understanding where there is misunderstanding, and to take the time to 'walk in another's moccasins'. Nothing brings together disparate points of view so quickly as doing something together.

We have said that you are some of the loneliest beings in the universe. Individuality and independence have grown to mammoth proportions among you, a spin off from the very successful Young soul world that you inhabit. With words you can bridge the chasms between you. You are not well enough adept at other forms of communication, so polishing your verbal skills with kindness, understanding, and acceptance is imperative for forming the building blocks for this bridge. In every way, it is the path to community.

Go in peace.


<NancyG> Thank you, Michael.
<DaveGregg> Great session tonight! Thank you, Nancy and Michael.
<yy2> Thank you, Michael, and Nancy, and Dave and Kathryn. Good night
<Barbara_H> Thank you
<hao> Thank you Michael and Nancy.
<heatherh> Thank you Nancy, David, Kathryn, Michael.
<Kathryn41> Thank you Michael and Nancy.
<kimberly> once again--thank you all
<DaveGregg> Nice turn-out tonight, as well. Thanks to everyone for attending.
<DeborahD> Thanks, Nancy, Michael, Dave and Kathryn
<SylviaD> A very enjoyable session! Thank you, Michael and Nancy.
<annh> Thanks, Nancy and Michael. Dave and Kathryn! It was great.


 

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