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Michael Chat with
Nancy Gordon

(09/21/2008)


Opening Comments


<NancyG/MICHAEL> We are here with you tonight. For most of you it is night. A time for resting, for knowing, for being. There is much energy spent in moving through a day, doing the work of life. This is good work, decidedly. But there comes the darkness and the good work of laying down one's tools and stilling the mind for rest. We remind you all that movement is good in its place. Otherwise, life would not function very smoothly. And then stillness finds its place.

We find it important to bring this thought to your consideration. The 'work' of stillness is the place for knowing and for being. The work of the daytime is for doing. Both are necessary and both become the mirror of the other. Once you become habituated to the alternating energy of these two 'works', the more in balance you will be. There is no balance in putting one before the other. Those who shunned the 'work' of the resting time, telling themselves that only action is 'useful' are like the rower who develops one set of shoulder muscles to the detriment of the other side of himself. After time, he will be grotesquely lopsided. So it is with rest.

To transfer inactivity to the fore is as much unbalanced as the former. Nor do we suggest that your hours should evenly divided. We do not. It will probably work out very much that way, however, if you count the hours of sleep in your resting day. Why do we bring this thought to your minds? To highlight the necessity of balance in the life. Balanced mind, heart, body, are physical tools for the health and welfare of the soul. Do not think your soul can be out of balance, however. When touching Essence as the True Personality, it cannot be other than exactly as it is meant to be.

But the physical self that you are, the part of you that you know most intimately, can help or hinder your reaching within to the soul that is Essence. For some of you, activity is essential to good health and good soul connection. These are the Moving and Physical centered. For the Intellectually centered, it is easy to forget the Moving center. For the Emotionally centered it is easy to negate the intellectual and moving.

You see how the centers become the stuff of balance. And the hours that constitute your day are the scales. Remind yourself that you are not only a spirit on the human path, but you are also centered, a BALANCED spirit on that path. At the closing of each part of your day, as you finish the action part for rest, and as you rise from rest to action again, let it be like a string on your finger: A reminder of who you are and what you are.

<NancyG> We will now take questions.

 


Q & A
 

<Jondalf> Thank you Nancy and Michael. Just a request for any obligations pending between N. and I and a summary of any agreements of mine outstanding and feasible.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> There have been agreements made between the man John and the woman Noelle. Four major agreements were made prior to incarnation, and three of them have been fulfilled. The fourth is still pending, and from what we can see there is a lack of interest in finishing it. Nor do we consider that this is in any way detrimental to either fragment. Agreements are nebulous. They are not karma and they can be abrogated at will.

Further agreements can be made during the lifetime and need not be only made on the astral as part of a life's plan. Just as connections with other fragments can be planned before incarnation or after.


<Jondalf> Thank you.
<DaveGregg> Ekaterina, you're next...


<Ekaterina> Thank you. My question is what am I suppose to learn from my agreement with Ernest?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> There is a sense of patience being a large part of the lesson here. This is a difficult personality, or at least the match leaves something to be desired between these two fragments. For some, opposites are a challenge and an adventure. For others it is best to connect with those with similar overleaves and aims. And for a large number of you, those who are willing to bend toward the other, it may not matter whether there is comfort in the connection. This seems to be the case here. The fragment Ekaterina is willing to be the bend-er, and thus practice the patience necessary for the relationship to work.

There is a great deal of drivel said and written about relationships being 'equal'. In our experience there is almost never a truly 'equal' energy of give and take in human relationships. Usually there is a greater giving by one of the two. This seems to be true here. And we add that you should not suppose that therefore there is something 'unhealthy' in the giving. Remember, if there is no one to receive, the givers of the world would be at a loss. (Michael is smiling)


<Ekaterina> thank you Michael.
<DaveGregg> Mario, you're next...


<MarioNiebles> Thanks, I'm on my way to get visa papers to a foreign country. I think I made an agreement with somebody to help me fix a physical impediment in my life. I wanted to hear any comments about the development of this event, or...should I take the advice of someone else's and head my way somewhere else or even make a business out of certain situation if possible? (I asked this before, i apologize )

<NancyG> The fragment Mario has a number of choices to consider. The probability that the necessary assistance toward attending to his physical needs in a foreign country are about 50 percent.

<MarioNiebles> I'm following right now a posteriori what my spiritual guides are telling me what I planned in life and what comes next

<NancyG> Then we suggest that the fragment Mario decide whether the advice he is getting seems useful, accurate, and feasible.

<MarioNiebles> I sometimes feel like I can cope with both
<DaveGregg> DeborahD, you're next...


<DeborahD> Could you please comment on the Catholic teaching regarding bodies of their Saints supposedly not decomposing after death, and the veneration they seem to show for body parts? A few years ago in Boston, Ma. they were parading some poor soul’s necrotic heart around in a glass case. I’m not sure where the rest of him was. My first thought was that it was one weird fundraiser. But they said it was a priest recruiting event. Even weirder? Are any of these bodies actually intact or are they really, really, elaborate hoaxes?

<NancyG> There have been instances of human bodies seemingly preserved from the normal dissolution that most bodies endure after death. Sometimes it is a matter of the atmosphere in which the corpse is held, dryness being one element that tends to preserve. Sometimes it is a matter of minor chemistry in the body itself. There is no 'aroma of sanctity' that can preserve a human body from the normal corrupting that it will have if not treated with modern chemicals.

We are aware of the parade of 'relics' that has been a part of the Roman church for most of its history. Blood from the cross, milk from the virgin's breast, hair/bone/nails from those who were revered in life. Many of these relics have been constructed by those eager to trade on the delusions of the 'faithful'.

At one time the forearm of a 'saint' was travelling around your country in a glass case. This relic was blackened with age and was in fact just what it was advertised as: an actual, dried bit of a human body. There is no energy in it, however, and no particular 'virtue' other than the reminder of a good fragment's life and the possible fallout that remembering it may have in the devotee.


<DeborahD> Thank you.
<DaveGregg> LindaW, you're next...


<LindaW> Were Neanderthals sentient, and why did they die out?

<NancyG> The so-called Neanderthals were in fact pre-sentient, a limited understanding. They were a possibility for ensoulment but did not attain the necessary level of physicality that would allow total use of the ensoulment.

The main problem with the Neanderthal was a lack of intellectual adaptation. There was brain activity, certainly, but without the promise of intellectual 'elasticity' that the so-called Cro-Magnons possessed. Their habitations were overtaken by the latter and as they were overrun, they lost the fixed places for survival. Being 'inelastic' they could not adapt to new circumstances, new food sources, and found themselves without the means to continue.

Consider the asian Pandas of your own time. Their food sources are extremely limited, the latitude in which they thrive is also a very small area of the planet. Without sufficient adaptability, they too will fade away.


<LindaW> thank you Michael
<DaveGregg> Laine, you're next...


<Laine> Michael, you told me that my life's work is to just Be. According to MT, what does that mean?

<NancyG> We will say this about the suggestion to 'Just be'. The goal of Flow or Rest is one of taking things as they come, being available to alter plans, having the ability to function in almost any environment. It is not a matter of taking oneself out of the physical doings of life, but rather taking life as a matrix and letting it work for you.

One way a Goal of Flow or Rest can be applied to Just Be is to consider the energy it takes to fight against the tide. A fragment who is in the stream is riding the current, conserving energy for other action, able to focus more readily on something other than 'getting there'. Being at Rest or Just Being is a conservation of energy, not moribund but alert.


<Laine> Perfect... Thank you!
<DaveGregg> Jannokas, you're next...


<jannokas> Yes, where and who was I in my previous life? If I was a musician, then how many lives have I had as a musician?

<NancyG> The fragment Jan was most recently a mechanic, a repairer of engines in the life just prior to this one. He has had a number of lives involving music, both performing and composing. We would say that this amounts to some ten lives over a period of a couple of thousand years.

<jannokas> Oh, thanks :). So I wasn't a musician in the previous life?
<NancyG> No.

<jannokas> Thank you Michael!
<DaveGregg> Kathryn, you're next...


<Kathryn41> My question is about Grand Cycles. Does the Big Bang that started the Universe correlate to the start of a Grand Cycle? Or doe Grand Cycles occur several times within the lifespan of a Universe? For instance, if one has 12 previous Grand Cycles were they in this Universe, 12 previous universes, or some in this one and some in prior universes?

<NancyG> The scientific label Big Bang as it is used to describe the beginnings of the Universe is useful in that human fragments tend to think in linear terms and so there has to be a Beginning. In actuality, creation is more like a moebus ribbon, bending around until it meets itself coming back. This is not easy to envision or understand. Some of your science fiction authors have had a glimmering of what this means and have attempted to describe it in words. With various degrees of success.

To answer the question, No, the Big Bang is not the beginning of a Grand Cycle. There have been a number of Grand Cycles for this creation and this creation is only one of billions. However, for fragments in this creation, their experience of cycles will be enveloped in their universe. IT is part of the orderliness of creation that universes do not interact.


<Kathryn41> Thank you.
<DaveGregg> Switch, you're next...


<switch> How is it that a fragment can have a working relationship with its' task companion discarnate and not know it?

<NancyG> The work between a fragment and its discarnate Task Companion will go on between them without the incarnate member being aware because the work will be done on the astral, usually during the incarnate fragment's sleep.

Even if both were incarnate, it is not necessary for them to meet physically or to be consciously aware of each other and the work they do. Again, in this case and by agreement, they will connect on the astral and can get their work done without either being conscious of what they are doing. When you think of it, there are billions of fragments on your planet, all with task companions, incarnate or discarnate, and only a tiny, tiny number of them are aware of having one.

Those aware are usually those who have been exposed to our teachings, or to other teachers with similar messages. But tasks companions do not need to know about us or our teachings to successfully fulfill their mission.


<switch> Thank you.
<DaveGregg> Kathryn is asking a question for Geraldine...


<Kathryn41> For Geraldine - who is having trouble keeping an internet connection . .  Hello, Nancy and Michael. My life is a patchwork quilt of broken relationships with me becoming progressively more isolated and alone. I'm quite the introvert for a Sage-casted Sage. Was there an underlying agreement or purpose that developed or led to these experiences?

<NancyG> Yes, the fragment Geraldine has chosen this people-less life in order to experience what it means to be solitary. For a Sage-cast Sage this is not only an important addition to what it means to be a part of the physical plane, but it is a necessary adjunct to the meaning of 'togetherness'. Knowing that the opposite exists, and actually having a go at it are two very different experiences.

The fragment Geraldine has noticed that this is a new situation, not one that she has lived all her life. Having an experience does not mean that it has to be a part of one's life from the beginning to constitute a 'true' knowing. It would seem when there has been an acceptance and understanding of solitude, there will be a resumption of social involvement. The timing will be entirely in the fragment's hands.


<Kathryn41> On her behalf, thank you.
<DaveGregg> That was the last question, Nancy. Does Michael have closing comments?


Closing Comments


<NancyG> We began tonight with words about balance and we end with more of the same. Many of your concerns can be traced back to this elementary condition. You balance your tires to prevent undue wear and to promote even traction. You balance your finances in order to know just where you stand with your money. You balance the load on your energy wires to prevent burnout when too much is carried on one circuit. So it should not come as any surprise that balancing one's life is just as important and far more efficacious for comfort and success as a human being.

How, then, does one accomplish this balancing, how can one order things as neatly as one can tote up one's income and outlay. We agree that it is not that simple, but it need not be much worse. Putting things in perspective works wonders when applied to the physical plane. Work with your center and part of center and the rest will fall into place. As the soul evolves through the levels of the physical plane it becomes easier to work through the centers. Emotionally centered fragments can step back and choose to apply themselves intellectually where appropriate, or actively where/when appropriate. And the same is true of the other centers. Then the balance becomes second nature, as you say. Done with little thought but a great deal of experience.

If you had to stop and think each time you tie your shoes, imagine what a waste of time that would be. No, tying shoes, once learned, is a habit, which is what second nature really is. And so is the application of all the lessons being learned during a lifetime: eventually some of them become so habitual, so 'second nature', that energy is conserved and applied to other learnings. In this respect the centers come into their own as supports for learning. Be at peace, dear friends. The life of the physical plane is challenging, unquestionably. It can be adventure or misery.

But working out the balance will offer many more chances for adventure as well as comfort. Nowhere is it written that every breath you take has to be work. Breathing is a habit. A 'second nature' kind of thing. With all our compassion and hopes for you, so is life itself.

Go in peace.


<Kathryn41> Thank you Michael; Thank you Nancy:-)
<Boudreaux> thank you Nancy/Michael
<Geraldine> Thank you, Nancy.
<DaveGregg> Well done! Thank you, Michael and Nancy.
<annh> Thank you Nancy and Michael. I'm looking forward to the transcript, too.
<Jondalf> Many thanks Nancy and Michael.
<heatherh> Thank you Michael and Nancy!
<jannokas> Thanks Nancy, Michaels, Dave and y'all in here :). Good night!!!

 

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