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Michael Chat with
Nancy Gordon

(2/15/2009)


Opening Comments



<NancyG/MICHAEL> We are here, Nancy

We are ready to greet everyone present as well as all those who could not join us this time.

There may seem to be many of you, many who have met and come to know and understand each other as our students. But we remember many more, many who have not connected with you, who live in the corners of this earth, who have not known us by name but who are nonetheless our students.

We have said before that the numbers are not relevant. This is true, but we bring this fact to you: There are thousands, indeed many hundreds of thousands who follow a form of our teachings who have never heard of Michael. This is in some instances a kind of residue from past connections, but for others it is a resonating with this truth.

For you who connect with us and with each other, we bring these words in love and in fellowship, if you will. The teachings are not ours, you know. Or not exclusively ours. There are many teachers from the causal plane who have chosen to find students on this planet and who teach the same truth. That is the way with TRUTH, it is always and everywhere the same although it may be expressed various ways.

When you have the emotional satisfaction of knowing that you belong to a community like this, to a group of other fragments who understand our words and who strive in their unique ways to apply them to their lives you feel the presence of truth. And that is Good Work. We have described your loneliness, your tendency to isolate yourselves from each other, and we have felt your isolation. In coming together as you do for these sessions, you reach beyond these artificial barriers and find that you really are not alone. Spreading beyond each of you is the energy of your striving, and though you do not know  it, you touch those who know you not, know us not, but who follow our truths.

This casting of the net of the teachings goes on. Be reassured, be comforted, be at peace in your acceptance of the truths you have heard.

Now we will take questions.

 


Q & A


<Barbara_H> Some scholars think that Moses was only a legend, made by religious leaders. If he was really a Law Giver for the Jews, was he a Transcendental Soul?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The fragment who is known as the Law Giver, Moses, was not a Transcendental Soul, although he effected a certain social change within his small community. He was not a legend, he was a human being with the mission to gather people together and to bind them to a set of truths, community truths.

Over the centuries these truths that he promoted have become known as the Commandments. It was necessary to offer a common concept of reality to this people, a common ground for them. The fragment known as Moses managed this. It took more than a millennium for these commandments to sink into the society of the Jewish people and it took another one to become the bedrock of the Christian tradition.


<Barbara_H> thank you
<DaveGregg> Geraldine, you're next...


<Geraldine> Hello, Michael and Nancy. I'm interested the various turning points of moving from one soul age level to the next. Tonight, I'd like to know about my essence's first incarnation as Old Soul Level One--all of the usual information about an incarnation, but with the focus on the life task and how successful was it?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> This fragment was first incarnated as an Old Soul, level one, in a family of nomads whose living was done in the Asian area known as Mongolia. The fragment was female, who lived to the age of 16 years. Since this incarnation was the continuation of a previous one, it could be deemed successful in that the purpose of the life was fulfilled. Beyond that, there was no 'life task' as such.

<Geraldine> Thank you.
<DaveGregg> Deborah D, you're next...


<DeborahD> Could you please tell me what Joan of Arc’s “Voices” actually were? Thank you.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The voices of the fragment known as Jean d'Arc were part of her false personality striving to force a kind of showmanship from an essentially shy young woman.

You might say that there was a split in her human personality. We have said before that she had a Chief Feature of Martyrdom and this was the way it could be attained.


<DeborahD> thank you
<DaveGregg> Kimberly, you're next...


<Kimberly> About 2 years ago Michael advised me that I had a significant amount of buried fear that was preventing me from fully embracing my life as a human. Since that time I've done inner work and I'm requesting a progress (or regress!) report. Nancy, I sent my photo to you yesterday..

<NancyG/MICHAEL> We see a diminution of the fear in the fragment Kimberly. Since this was primarily a rejection by the personality of the incarnation chosen, it had a strong hold on the fragment. The effort to come to terms with life, with the person, with the choices of the physical plane has born much fruit. In this way is fear routed, to recognize it and to present it with the truth of Essence.

Fear is a coward, you know. It hugs to itself all of the negative possibilities and rejects the positive ones. Once it is made to face the realities of the positive poles, it is continually thwarted in its power to absorb the fragment in its energy. We commend the woman Kimberly for her diligence and for her success.

<Kimberly> Thank you, thank you!
<DaveGregg> Lou, you're next...


<lou2> Bonsoir Michael and Nancy. Tonight I would appreciate any clarifications you would care to give us regarding the formation of soul family and twin soul essence. I am confused with this matter and I am trying to figure out if my twin is on this plane or as joined another plane..and how does this change when we are not on the same plane. I have read the MT on the subject but I am still mixed up. Maybe Michael could make it clearer.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The primary soul family is the cadence, the group of seven souls who form the smallest coterie of connection. The twin that we have spoken of is a soul that connects with the primary one on casting from the Tao. This partnership is created at that time and endures throughout the planes. Sometimes the essence twins are incarnated at the same time, sometimes they are not. Even when they are separated, however, there is a continuous sense of attachment that is reinforced on the astral plane, usually during sleep periods.

Twins are very close energetically. They offer each other support, a mirror to check the self against, and the comfort of 'the other half'. It must be remembered, however, that there is no 'guidance' in the sense of giving objective advice between twins. This is not the work of essence twins. There is a very profound connection that can sometimes be seen between incarnated identical twins on the physical plane.

The essence twin is not a part of the original cadence of seven, and may or may not be part of the same Entity. Sometimes the twin is the same role in Essence, but often it is not. Think of meeting a fragment who seems to understand without words, who is accepting of one's foibles and failings, who cheers one on to victories, major and minor, who is always ready to enfold one in warmth and love. That is the Essence Twin.


<lou2> merci beaucoup
<DaveGregg> Lori S, you're next...



<LoriS> Hello Michael, I’m asking about the concept of lucid dreaming, specifically my own hyper-active dream states recently. I know it must mean I am doing work on the astral or something similar, but can you explain the nature of the work to me and whom I may be doing it with? And why now? I can’t grasp a theme or message… yet I feel as if something is afoot…. Thanks!

<NancyG/MICHAEL> Lucid dreaming is the condition of actually stepping into the dream as a participant, not as an observer. In a lucid dream a fragment looks down and sees what you might see if you look down at yourself, your clothing from the top to the hem, the tips of the shoes or feet, the forearms, but not the shoulders, etc. In observational dreaming one is not a participant, one stand aside and may see oneself as a whole, including the back and the top.

Within a lucid dream, the participant may speak to others, will be seen by others and will be accepted as part of the ongoing activity. Only the dreamer will know who those others are. If they do not seem familiar to the dreamer on awakening, it it may be because they have masked themselves. In the dream it will seem to the dreamer that they all belong together, doing whatever seems to need doing. It does not matter whether the dreamer knows what is happening or why. The energy which has promoted the lucid dream is tuned to the work of the dream and the results as they happen. The feeling that something is 'afoot' is a true reflection of the situation. Whatever that 'afoot' is, be assured that it is benign and probably productive.

Sometimes the meaning of such experiences comes eventually, sometimes it never does. Making an intention before sleep to understand what is going on may result in greater comprehension. This takes some practice but it can be done. As to why now, we can only say that there is probably some serious industry going on that the fragment is a part of.


<LoriS> What would be an example of the 'results' of a lucid dream?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> One kind of result would be working on a task in one of the groups that most fragments belong to. If the other members of the group - triad, quadrate, etc., - are discarnate, then lucid dreaming alerts the incarnate fragment that the work of the group is going forth.

<LoriS> Thank you so much!
<DaveGregg> Robinette, you're next...


<robinette> My fathers name is Robert G. He passed away in 1986. Can Michael tell me what this fragment is doing now? Does he come to me when I need him? Please elaborate.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The fragment Robert has been through the adjustment of meeting his two cadence mates and others of his entity and has settled into his existence on the lowest level of the astral plane. During the 'time' of his existence there he has reviewed his life and found his feet regarding his lessons: learned, lost, and abrogated. He is not ready to go through the process of choosing his next life with its responsibilities.

He is presently absorbed in the study of the guidance system that all souls realize during their astral lives. When he is finished with this study, he will set it aside for the time being as he explores how he wants to next incarnate. It is usual for souls to do this study in steps between a number of lives until they reach the point where they believe they are ready to take on the work of guidance for incarnate fragments. The fragment who was Robert is willing to answer the fragment Robinette when called upon, but in view of 'his' rather junior position regarding the work of a guide, he often refers pleas to a more senior astral energy.

<robinette> Thank you so much.
<DaveGregg> LadyLapis, you're next...


<LadyLapis> My name is Wilma T. & I sent you my pictures a few weeks ago. My question tonight is about mate agreements. Do I have any more mate agreements, are they likely to be fulfilled, and do they impact my 4 Truths in any way?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The fragment Wilma has two 'unused' mating agreements. The probability that either of them will be forthcoming is nearly 50/50. The biggest obstacle is geographic distance. Neither of these agreements are part of the fragment's four pillars, nor is it usual that such a connection would be made. Think about it: If a mating agreement is bound in any way to the pillars but cannot be honored for whatever reason, then the pillar might not be very much of a strength in that lifetime and the purpose of the pilllar(s) would be nullified.

<LadyLapis> Where are my "unused" mates?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> One is approximately 400 miles to the north and the other some 1000 miles to the west.

<LadyLapis> Thank you so very much, Nancy. I truly appreciate this.
<DaveGregg> Ann, you're next...
 


<annh> Hi, Nancy and Michael. I am considering buying a new property and it seems to be triggering fear and confusion, which activates my CFs massively. The way I see it, Arrogance fears getting "taken" and foolhardiness and Impatience fears "missing out" on not only the deal, but on information and knowledge. Also, I have little confidence in my math and organization skills. What ways do I deal with my CFs and make conscious choices in this area? Or are other factors at work that I need to be aware of?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The sage needs information as the flower needs rain. Unlike the flower, however, the sage never has enough. Working through the positive poles of the chief features may content them enough to allow a reasonable approach to this venture. We suggest that there are many heads full of the knowledge that is needed to ascertain the appropriateness of a given deal. If the math and other necessary skills are meager, then turning to an expert may be the answer. The sage abhors letting anyone know that he/she isn't as up on all fronts as he/she would like everyone to think, but borrowing a little humility from the Self-Deprecation department may answer.

<annh> Lol! Thank you. Ahhh humility:)
<DaveGregg> Ivy, you're next...


<ivy> When a romantic breakup happens and people cut off contact, does it follow that all agreements between them are abdicated as well, and is there a way to know? My bf just broke up with me and I was told by Michael when asking about him before that we had a lot of long term agreements, this lifetime.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> An agreement is just that, an agreement. There is no residue of responsibility to honor an agreement in a given lifetime. If the agreement is a relatively serious one, and one of the two fragments abandons it, then an arrangement may be made between lives to try again. Or the two fragments may abrogate the agreement altogether and in effect say to each other: You know, this isn't going to work.

The long term agreements that the fragment Ivy and her male partner made were predicated on a continued relationship. Since that condition has changed, the agreements have become void. Both fragments may come back together in the future, or they may not, but if they do then new agreements will be made and those existing before the parting cease to exist. Remember, agreements depend on both fragments. They are not unilateral and cannot be honored by only one of the participants to the agreements.


<ivy> Thank you!
<DaveGregg> Saturnia, you're next...


<Saturnia> General question: If having a child, does one have to pass some test of some sort in the material world for a child to accept moving into this earth and into your life.

<NancyG> (Michael is laughing, Saturnia.)

<NancyG/MICHAEL> If it were necessary for a fragment to be assessed as to fitness for parenthood before conceiving a child, the population of the planet would be far less than it is.

<Saturnia> How does such agreement affect abortion and artificial test tube children. Does test tube and abortion have consequences?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> Abortion is a choice of the pregnant female. Since the fragment is not ensouled until the moment of birth, there is no responsibility to bear the foetus to term. There are many kinds of 'test tube' situations and more specific details would be necessary before we could comment.

<DaveGregg> Avatar, you're next...
 


<avatar415> Regarding the extent of the Jewish holocaust of WWII: some say it never happened while others say there is proof that many millions of Jew were while others say there is proof that many millions of Jew were gassed and starved to death. What is the real number of Jews involved in the holocaust?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> Between five and six million fragments, not all of them Children of Abraham, died in the concentration camps of the Third Reich.

<DaveGregg> Heather, you're next...



<heatherh> During the last week or so I've experienced a phenomena of a burst of laughter accompanying significant insights. On both occasions I was thinking "through" the teachings so to speak - is it just me or are the Michaels coming through more clearly?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> We are part of an energy that is rolling through this fragment, a time of assessment and of understanding. If this insight results in happiness and laughter, then we join in the bliss. And if we can be more clearly apprehended at this time, we appreciate the circumstances.

<heatherh> Thank you so very much.
<DaveGregg> Jyoti, you're next...



<Jyoti_S> Thanks Dave, Nancy and Michael. Do a fragment's overleaves decide his proclivity toward being highly intuitive? Or is developing intuitive faculties to a high tune dependent on the work a fragment does in this direction in a particular lifetime? What about healing powers? Are they dependent on the same factors like overleaves and working at increasing the efficiency of one's energy channels?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> There are overleaf combinations that tend to foster both intuition and healing, but neither of these qualities are bound to only those combinations. For instance, the roles and overleaves found in the Inspiration axes make intuition easier to access. Healing is a property that can be found in any of the roles, depending on the ability of the fragment to connect with this energy.

As with any skill, both intuition and healing can be promoted with attention and practice. For some, the energy needed becomes too intense or too foreign and the effort does not result in success.

Yes, we would agree that the ultimate success depends on working at the goal.  Efficiency is always dependent of cooperation between desire and ability.


<Jyoti_S> Could Michael please give a brief idea about the overleaf combinations that foster intuition and healing?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The ideal set of overleaves for intuitive knowledge would be a Priest in Acceptance, with a Spiritualist attitude in Observation mode. The overleaves for a healer are far more general. Almost any combination can result in a successful healer if he/she works in the positive poles systematically.

<Jyoti_S> Thanks Michael, Nancy and Dave.
<DaveGregg> John W, you're next...


<john_w> okay, tell me about my relationship with V.

<NancyG> (What do you want to know about V.?)

<john_w> the significance of our relationship.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> There is no special significance to the relationship between the fragment John and the woman V. The relationship is based on mutual attraction and body type affinities. Within the bounds of male/female association in your culture there is the feeling that there could be a serious attachment, somewhat more intense on the man's side, but answered by the female.

When the word 'significance' is associated with a mating, the implication is that this is an agreement at least, and perhaps even karmic. We repeat, there is neither in this case.


<DaveGregg> Tori, you have the last question...


<tori> I would like to know if I have children agreements in this lifetime?

<NancyG> (Tori, I don't have your photo.)

<tori> No.

<NancyG> (Then do as I suggested earlier. Project a picture of yourself mentally so that I can fasten onto something.)

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The fragment Tori has several child agreements. At this time we see three. This does not mean that all three or any of the three will necessarily become physical, only that there is the possibility that they might, depending on a great many things, primarily on the situation between the male and female who have agreed to parent.

<tori> Thanks.


 

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