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Michael Chat with
Nancy Gordon

(1/18/2009)


Opening Comments


<NancyG> Michael, are we ready?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> We are here, Nancy

We are always 'here', you know. We are present with you all when you think about it. That is our mission, to bring the truth that we know to those of you who wish it. In that respect, we do not really come and go. Where would we 'go'? In the blink of an eye we can 'hear you and respond. That is why we say that we come to any who ask for us.

This 'coming' varies with the situation and the receiver. Some will ask us directly for connection and if that is possible, given the need for a receiver with energy that we can connect with, we do. Remember, we are not 'up there', nor 'out there', we are here.

Besides our wish to respond to those who ask us to come to them, we remind you that you have a number of important energies that are yours for the asking. There are your guides/guardians/angels, astral energies who are concerned with you individually and personally. There is your higher self, always with you, never apart, never 'up or out' there. And finally there is Essence Itself. Never are you alone, never are you without assistance or sympathy or empathy or guidance.

Sometimes in the throes of misery it is difficult to remember that going into the center and calling on one or another of these special assistants is a possibility. That is their mission, their 'job', you know. Do not be mislead by the thought that you are only talking to yourself when you do this going within. When you receive a flash of inspiration, or a knotty problem seems to unravel in your mind, or you feel suddenly secure when before you were unsafe, it is a coming together of yourself and one or another of these beings.

We do not intend that you should suppose that no idea/inspiration/conclusion that you ever have comes from without your own self. We cannot say too strongly that this is not the case. But we do suggest that when all seems totally unfathomable, seemingly completely dark and there is no light, that this is a good time to remember that these powers, and they are very powerful relative to the Maya of the physical plane, are available to you. You are not meant to go this road alone.

In your incarnate life you have relatives, friends, colleagues to turn to to help with physical plane decisions, difficulties, troubles. Think, therefore of the meta-physical experience and strength of these assistants and what they can offer toward further dissolution of the apparent abyss that you sometimes find yourself in. Then ask them consciously for guidance.

Much of their work is done without your conscious knowledge, and even when you do not address them, they are still on the job. But making a connection that you can perceive strengthens your attachment and gives you a greater sense of control. We suggest, we even urge you to think about this as a lifeline for the physical plane, if you will. It may serve to smooth a number of wrinkles from the sometimes corrugated path of life.

<NancyG> We will now take questions.

<DaveGregg> Francois, you have the first question...


Q & A

<Francois_P> I am joining you on behalf of my daughter; the question is: My daughter, Sara is 22 . For the past 4 years she has had symptoms ( it may happen 3 times in a week or only once in 3 months) of some sort of digestive tract disorder. It usually begins with sulfur burps, followed by vomiting and diarrhea. Can you help me understand what is bringing this on, is it related to her diet?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> It would seem to be a little of both. We see a malfunction of the pyloric sphincter which does not allow food to pass properly into the small intestine.

This does not work improperly every meal, which accounts for the erratic symptoms. But when it does malfunction, food backs up with digestive juices and then there is vomiting. The diarrhea is a result of the disturbance in the bowel that allows some of the matter to race through, eluding the time that it takes to compact sufficiently to be a normal movement.

Tests should show this situation.


<Francois_P> Thank you.
<DaveGregg> Deborah, you're next...


<DeborahD> At a previous chat you told me of 2 lives I had in Tudor England that followed in quick succession to complete a monad I had with another person. Could you please tell me something of the nature of the monad, and my relationships to the other person? Thank you.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The fragment was born into a family of craftsmen: woodworkers, carpenters, jointers. In the early years of adolescence, the fragment was apprenticed to an uncle to learn the family trade. This monad: teacher/student was a successful pairing. The fragment learned the beginnings of the trade and gave every evidence of being on the way to journeyman. Then during the fourth year of the apprenticeship the slip of an adze caused a wound in the arm that became seriously infected and the young fragment died of blood poisoning.

The fragment reincarnated within two years of this death, into another part of the same family and when the time came he was apprenticed to the same teacher, who was this time an older cousin to the boy. The monad was then finished.


<DeborahD> thanks very much
<DaveGregg> Jazmine, you're next...


<Jazmine> Thank You. My question is about our planet known as Mars. What kind of life has lived there in the past and what kind is there now? Is it only microbial, or has / is there there ever anything more significant? Maybe a society or civilization of some kind perhaps?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> There has been life on the planet Mars of a kind that you would not recognize as 'life'. If you are asking were there sentient beings resident on the planet, there were not. There have never been ensouled fragments on the planet Mars. At the present time there is very minimal 'life', microbial as you say, and further investigation of this phenomenon will bring the evidence forward for your scientists to study. But as for a civilization, no.

<Jazmine> Thanks so much, Michael, Nancy and Dave! You are much appreciated!
<DaveGregg> Robinette, you're next...


<Robinette> I have a brother dealing some difficult problems. I am trying to help him sort through it all. I believe the situation is karma related or a previous agreement. My sister thinks I am interfering. Am I perhaps keeping my brother from learning a lesson?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> There is no karma where there is no attempt to interfere with another's choice. Counsel, 'sorting through things', does not constitute creating a karmic ribbon.

We see an agreement, yes. You have agreed to help your brother during this difficulty and are honoring your agreement when you do. If you attempt to coerce him into accepting your ideas about how to resolve the conflict he is now facing, then karma may enter into the equation. By offering counsel and support, however, you are not preventing lessons from being learned.

Here we would say that lessons are learned in many ways, not the least of which is when someone else points out what is actually happening. One does not have to print the map before taking the trip. Many good publishers have already done that work much better than most of you could do it. You are functioning as the map maker and offering it to your brother. Whether he chooses to use it is up to him. That is part of All is choice.


<Robinette> thank you so much
<DaveGregg> ShannonB, you're next...


<ShannonB> I have been told by another channel that a relationship I am in is a Heart Link. It is difficult and very emotionally intense. What can you tell me about the nature of a Heart Link? Will the connection last, or can it last for the rest of this lifetime? Are they always difficult?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> A heartlink is formed when two fragments have experienced every possible connection over many lifetimes that human being can form. A heartlink usually cannot be formed until the OLD soul level because it takes many lifetimes to work through all the possible pairings available to fragments.

Many of these pairings, we remind you, are less than lovely. They may involve murder, rape, theft, and every conceivable violence perpetrated by one on the other and vice versa. Then, of course, there will be the benign pairings, also. Lovers, relatives, colleagues, friends, and so forth.

The heartlink, once formed lasts the rest of the cycle. Usually the two who have it will find each other in any lifetime in which both are incarnate at the same time. They may or may not spend any time together during a given life, depending on circumstances. We also remind you that just because it is called a 'heart' link, there is no guarantee that it is romantically inclined. It only means that two fragments are connected by this close link and will remain so until both have finished the cycle.


<ShannonB> Thank you
<DaveGregg> Aditi, you're next...


<aditi> Hi:), do I have a mate agreement with Mark L. for this lifetime? And what kind of past lives have we had together?

<NancyG> (Aditi, next time please send me a picture of anyone you intend to ask about. Thank you.)

<NancyG/MICHAEL> We do not see a mating agreement between these two fragments. There has been one past life when these two fragments were friends. We remind you that not every attraction between the sexes is a mating agreement, nor that every sense of knowing someone when the meeting is made is from a past life connection. Some meetings are new to this lifetime, but will then become a 'past life' in the future.

<aditi> Thank You
<DaveGregg> Daniel E, you're next...


<DanielE> About a year ago and some months ago, I read Yogananda’s autobiography of a yogi. During that time, I experienced a lot of intensity. (I always had the intuition that the book would affect me). I want to know what happened to me during that intense period of time. Did I burn some self karma regarding being a monk? Did I move up a level? Can Michael tell me what, if anything, happened?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The biography of a fragment you were prepared to admire affected your emotional center in a way that you experienced 'intensely'. It was not related to self-karma. It was rather a rung on the spiritual ladder that you are building. Normally one does not move up the levels of spiritual evolution except between lifetimes. It is possible, of course, to do so during an incarnation, but only as a result of extreme experience, either traumatic or benign.

We do not see that the experience of the yogi's life was extreme in the extreme enough to warrant this kind of movement. The elements of this life affected within you a resonance that you found exhilarating and they could well become a part of your spiritual outlook. Such teachers, even as their teachings become the matter of books, are part of the plan of the universe.


<DanielE> thanks
<DaveGregg> Maggie, you're next...


<MHeinze> I haven't felt especially noticed or loved by the universe for too long. I do feel poised to enact powerful change at this point. My question, Michael, is: what is the antidote to my depression?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> Expectation is at the basis of much of the depression that this fragment experiences. There is a sense of too little coming its way and even when there are pockets of beauty, bounty, benevolence, the expectation that it isn't enough colors the enjoyment.

Expectations, unfulfilled, are a turning within. Everything is measured by what it can do for, means to, and rewards the fragment. The antidote is to lift one's eyes, heart, hands, and thoughts outward. This involves seeing how much one can give rather than dwelling on what one does not have.

This may mean working with those less fortunate such as children who are not maturing normally, or with those who have matured into their later years, or those who have either lost the means for living or never had them. Such outward concentration often disperses the sense that one is unloved and unappreciated. There is often a great deal of appreciation and love returned by those with whom one works who are in need.


<MHeinze> dang, thank you
<DaveGregg> DavidJT, you're next...


<davidjt> Hello Michael and Nancy. I am currently in a relationship with a girl named L. I am wondering what the purpose of this relationship is, and what the agreements are, if any, between her and I? I often times doubt the validity of our relationship, but then I always get the feeling that there is a very important reason for her and I to be together. I just feel like there's something huge that we're both looking over, or maybe its just me. I apologize for not having sent in pictures this session, next time I will absolutely make sure to. I sincerely appreciate your time.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> When two fragments come together in a romantic relationship there usually comes a time when one or both begins to wonder what there is about the pairing that rings true. This is a normal and very often useful point in the situation. In this instance, we see the male fragment beset with doubt but the female has no such notion.

We suggest that the male fragment use this doubt to assess the pairing for those elements that he considers of primary importance. There is no question about the 'validity' of the relationship. Relationships are valid simply because they exist. Whether they are rewarding, enduring, an accurate reflection of the true personality of the two fragments involved, that is a different question.

Perhaps if the male fragment were to consider their pairing with these thoughts to the fore, his doubts can be revised either to acceptance or rejection of this particular pairing. We do not see that this is the result of an agreement made before incarnation, by the way.


<davidjt> Thank you so much.
<DaveGregg> YY2, you're next...


<yy2> My husband Martin asked why Life seems to come at him faster with more stress from all sides? What can he do?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> This is the question of the modern day! The fragment Martin is experiencing the physical plane in all its get up and go energy. He already knows what he can do to slow down his experience of it. The possibilities are not a great secret. Pruning one's life is a beginning, removing unnecessary activities, relationships, involvements that no longer satisfy, these are known to all of you.

Reducing the output of energy given to useless and unrewarding activities allows for space and time for more thoughtful selection. As a fragment's life moves toward the later internal monads, the barnacles acquired earlier may need surgery. The cleaner surface may surprise even the most knowledgeable.


<yy2> Thank you, Nancy, Michael and Dave
<DaveGregg> Hao, you're next...


<hao> Could you tell me my marriage/mating agreements(at what age, place, what kind of person etc.) made pre-incarnation that are still possible to manifest?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> We suggest that a good medium connected with an astral energy would be the best consultant for particulars about mating agreements. We can say that this fragment has five such agreements, none of which has yet manifested.

<hao> ok, thank you.
<DaveGregg> KerryP, you're next...


<kerryp> My relationship with my husband has gotten very distant and detached. He seems to want no part of me and has started acting very bizarrely lately. I've gone beyond upset and am now very worried about what is really going on. He will not talk to me about anything and flips out if I try. Can you give me any insight into what might be going on here? what is driving this behavior?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> We see the male fragment moving away from this relationship. This decision comes with freight from past lives and current situations. There seems to be a shadow on the psyche that is driving this behavior. We would like to explore further with the fragment Kerry in private. Would this be possible?

<kerryp> Yes, it is. thank you. :)


<lou> bonsoir Michael, Nancy, and Dave. I am concerned about a ongoing conflict between a member of family named D. This situation keeps bothering me and saddening me. is there any options for me to take. is the other fragment opened to resolving the conflict or does this conflict have to go through a time period before it is ripe for clearing up. Can Michael make light on this ?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> It is wise to ask whether time will tell about the resolution of the conflict involving the family member D. This is exactly what is needed. There are sometimes steps that a concerned fragment can take toward helping another in difficulties, but in this instance it appears necessary to stay available but not to offer much. As the fragment Lou has already surmised, the fragment in question  is not open to outside influence. We can put the probability that the matter will be resolved at about 50/50. Much will depend on a person who is unknown to the fragment Lou but who is also concerned and may have a better chance of assistance that will be accepted.

<lou> merci beaucoup michael and nancy
<DaveGregg> Barbara H, you're next...


<Barbara_H> What karmic ribbons or agreements do I have with H.?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The fragment H. and the fragment Barbara are working through a number of agreements relating to dominance. These two fragments have a history of push-me, pull-me one-upmanship. They have played this game over a half dozen lifetimes for the simple reason that they both enjoy the game. So far there is no karma between them. That does not mean there will never be, but given the desire to keep the game going, it is probable that things will remain outside of the karma domain.

<Barbara_H> Thank you.
<DaveGregg> Avatar, you're next...


<avatar415> My question is about Mary Todd Lincoln, wife of president Abraham Lincoln. Was she an addict and what did she have to do with her husband's death?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> The fragment Mary Lincoln was afflicted with what was treated in the 19th C. as a 'nervous condition'. In this century she would have been diagnosed as needing a combination of psychiatric and medical intervention. The fragment Mary was not an addict in the usual sense of the word, but was dosed with a form of opium often enough that she became dependent on it and in later years was almost never without it. This gave rise to the supposition that she was indeed addicted. And in truth she was. The fragment had nothing whatever to do with the death of the man Abraham.

<avatar415> thanks, Michael
<DaveGregg> Geraldine, you're next...


<Geraldine> Hello, Nancy and Michael. As a Sage-casted Sage, I assume I've had some fairly public, noisy, and flamboyant incarnations. Can you tell me about one that seems to have had the most impact on lessons to be learned in this life? I feel as though I've been on a non-stop sage-like event to event to suddenly seeking balance, which has become my most frequent mantra during the past 30 years.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> Even a Sage-cast Sage has moments of calm and introspection, and the past life that most leans on this one was one such. In that life the fragment Geraldine was a wife and mother, neither famous nor infamous, unknown beyond a small fishing community in what is now Belgium, and dead at the age of 42. No one would say that she had a life 'worth' living, except herself. She had chosen rather restful overleaves for that lifetime and the most exuberant thing she ever did was to dance as often as she could manage it in the village celebrations.

We think that the fragment Geraldine, in calmer moments, has flashes of this lifetime, perhaps even dreams. As for the lessons learned that can be applied to this lifetime, they are of the discernment variety. Being able to note the truthfulness of a thing, separating the wheat from the chaff, seeing into the heart of people and events to find the reality rather than the facade. These are important lessons that have accrued from this rather undistinguished life. Undistinguished, we might add, only in the eyes of the world, not in the eyes of Essence.


<Geraldine> thank you :)
<DaveGregg> LadyLapis, you're next...


<LadyLapis> Hello Nancy & Michael, Regarding the man DW and myself WT (I sent photos & birth info earlier today), what is the nature of his feelings for me, and why does he push me from his life and then want me back in his life? This relationship has been ongoing for over 15 years. I feel indebted to him somehow - karmically, perhaps? Knowing something would give me a great deal of peace of mind. Thank you.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> There is a mating agreement between the fragment Wilma and the fragment Douglas. However, the fragment Douglas has less of a need for honoring this agreement than the woman Wilma does. It sometimes happens that two fragments do have such and agreement, but various elements contrive to interfere with its fulfillment.

We would say that the male in question has romantic feelings for the fragment Wilma, but not serious enough to foreclose on other commitments. That is responsible for the coming and going of his attentions. There is a pull from karma that has been paid between these two, one that acknowledges that there is an underlying attraction/deflection now that the karma has been paid. It was a case of abandonment of a responsibility, of a foster parent for a half grown child, which now plays out as a sense that there is something still to do with each other, but the pull is not very strong now. The fragment Wilma senses this as a responsibility for him, although the debt has long since been paid.


<LadyLapis> Is it like he wants his freedom & me both?

<NancyG/MICHAEL> Yes, we would say that this is true. If the woman Wilma desires a committed partner, we suggest that she look elsewhere.

<LadyLapis> Thanks you so much for this information - it puts it all in perspective. Many thanks.
<DaveGregg> Rhonda, you're next...


<RhondaSS> I had a very loving relationship with John (who was on meds for depression and anxiety) for 10 months. We both talked often about how we had the perfect relationship and that we would be life partners. After my first month of rehabilitating from a serious surgery, he ‘dropped off the face of the earth’ at a time when I really needed him to be there for me. He wouldn’t respond to my attempts to contact him except for an email stating he was in a deep depression and I was too good for him. It’s been about 2 months since I’ve seen him.

Question: How does this impact our Karmic lessons? I feel like this is not finished; that we have more work to do. I feel that perhaps he still loves me but can’t forgive himself for leaving me at such a bad time.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> This man's role in Essence is Artisan. He has little ability to share energy with another since it takes most of his attention and effort to keep himself going. Artisans are not good pillars for anyone who needs someone to lean on, even for a short while. Once this relationship moved into the realm of reality, that is, when the female fragment had her own needs, the man 'disappeared'. The man was seriously involved and intended that this pairing would be permanent, but when it came down to the nitty gritty of the physical plane, he was faced with a situation he could not commit to.

The sense of things being incomplete is part of the perception of the female half of the pair, not of the reality itself. She has been left hanging and is certain that there is something she can and should do to remedy things. We suggest that this is false personality speaking. The relationship does not have 'legs', as the saying goes.


<RhondaSS> thank you
<DaveGregg> Switch, you have the last question.


<switch> It would not let me sign on like that hence the nickname. There are many changes in my life right now and one of them is a man by the name of Derrick - you do not have a picture of him yet Nancy though I have mentioned him to you . Please tell me what you can about our relationship - he has been very important to me in this time of great change . Thanks.

<NancyG/MICHAEL> In a nutshell, so to speak, this would appear to be a 'good work' for both fragments. We counsel very seldom, but we do now and say that the only thing we suggest is to play out the relationship over time. Great upheavals in a life tend to create a void and the first person who comes along to fill that void may not be a permanent fixture, that is all. Otherwise, we do not see a difficulty with overleaves or abrasive centers. The body types are compatible, also.

<switch> thanks
<DaveGregg> Does Michael have any closing comments?


Closing Comments

<NancyG/MICHAEL> We have had an evening tonight of relationships: those that are living and those that are dying. This is to be expected in this time of general upheaval and reassessment.

We can say with some authority that loving and being loved is an extension of the soul's yearning for return to the Tao. Expressing this yearning as a romantic/sexual attraction between fragments is only a reflection of the greater dimension of agape that is the goal of every fragment as long as it IS a fragment separate from the TAO. Each of us also experienced the same yearning that you do, and we can sympathize with you that the path of true love never does run smoothly. Heartbreak goes along with heartfeltness, and only the soul experiences the ecstasy of total fulfillment. The physical plane knows nothing of that totality, hence the grief of unfulfilled expectations.

There is no balm we can offer that will mend this aspect of living. Remembering that it is an ephemeral thing, this business of pairing does not ease the work of experiencing it. Therefore we will not leave you with useless platitudes. Instead, we say: Step back, if you can, and put some distance between yourself and the situation. Move deliberately into the positive poles of your overleaves and study to advance in the work of agape. The lessons of the physical plane will go on, but knowing why may be of some consolation. Go in peace.


<DaveGregg> Well said. Thank you, Nancy and Michael.
<Kathryn41> Thank you Michael and Nancy
<Geraldine> Thank you, Nancy :)
<lou> thank you michael and thanks you nancy,thank you both your generosity
<ShannonB> Thank you, Nancy
<DeborahD> thanks Michael and Nancy
<Barbara_Hardy> Thank you, it is a great help.
<lou> and thank you also to Dave and Kathryn who make these chats available.
<hao> Thank you, Michael, Nancy and Dave.
<yy2> Thank you, Nancy, Michael, Dave and Kathryn. Good night.
<MHeinze> Thank you very much Nancy, Michael & Dave ; may angels kiss your pillows tonight :-)
<SylviaD> I always find it interesting. Thank you, Michael and Nancy.

 

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