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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:00:43 -0700
OK.
Absolutely. In fact, we do manifest all but tend to favor one or two. And the CNF (Chief Negative Feature) can change during the lifetime.
Each lifetime is started as an Infant soul. As the life progresses, so does the soul age (hopefully!) until you eventually manifest your true soul age. I think it's safe to say, however, that we don't manifest our nominal soul ages at all times; I know I certainly don't.
Sure. Some of the available books have good info about CNFs. I would suggest
reading _Messages_.117, _More Messages_.38, _World_.98, _Handbook_.189,
So get one, from a good channel. You won't be sorry, IMO. BTW, references to above - Cheers, Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:00:48 -0700
Hmmm. I should think atheists would more likely be inclined to this teaching than religious people would. Unless they're secular humanists. :^/
By all means read some of the more recent books. There is much information that has become available since the original Yarbro books.
You are fortunate, IMO, to have discovered Michael so early in life. Regards, Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:00:55 -0700
You are fortunate, IMO, to have had this environment while growing up.
Right, and in a larger sense, it helps to understand why world events
I would suggest you try to find (or create) a group of local students. Cheers, Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/0.4.11>] Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:01:01 -0700
Shepherd Hoodwin covers this in a fair amount of detail in _The Journey of
This question does not elicit a simple answer (at least not from this Recalling from knowledge (not going to the books, something we Scholars
By all means do so, and the sooner the better. Much more information is
Another thing I would recommend you do. The best thing, of course, would Regards, Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:01:06 -0700
This is well documented in _Opening To Channel_, as are ways to avoid
Younger souls may not be able to distinguish different beings who are -Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/0.4.11>] Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:01:11 -0700
Excuse me but am I missing something here? What does any of this have to -Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/0.4.11>] Subject: Re: Archive of Michael Teachings List (1997-30/45)
It is my understanding that those on the causal plane are reunited Entities -Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/0.4.11>] Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:48:16 -0400 Aida Wrote:
Dear Aida, I was raised to believe that one did not tell God what to do, and that one had to accept whichever way we thought that God answered our prayers. I have since noted the following: Re: God - Who or what are you really praying to? The Supreme Being or Michaelangelo's bearded muscular white man. I prefer to deal with the Total Universe because that's where the Universal Supply is. Re: Supplication - If there is no power in the supplication there will be little response from the Universe. Supplication is "Asking". The more energy you put into your statement, the more likely you'll get a satisfactory response. I suggest that you "Tell" the universe what it is you prefer in your life. and I suggest that you tell "in the present". Re: Emotions - now this is a great source of personal manifesting power. I suggest transforming the focus energy of emotions from "lack", "lonliness", "not working", etc to "possessing now", "social fulfillment", "wonderfully employed", etc. Once you've emotionally noted an undesirable situation, let go of the emotional attachment to that situation, and re-focus that powerful energy to the creation of whatever you prefer to have. Re: Fears and Confusions - Again change their energies to Confidence and Clarity and then use these new energies to declare that you "now have" whatever you prefer. Really powerful prayer is a "declaration" of present moment existence, not an "asking" for something in the future. The watch phrase is "Upright Humility", not "head-bowed humiliation" If you manifest something that is not to your liking you can release it from your life, undo any harm that may have been done, and then try again to manifest your preference
Do you want the joyous work situation in your "hands", or "integral to your life"? The universe tends to be very literal. People usually "see" things that are outside of their personal inner existence. Can you see "your joyous work situation" as "inside of" of your personal existence. In your meditations and visualizations don't just "see yourself" in your visualizations, actually "be yourself" in your visualizations. Do you want to "be in your joyous work situation", or only be "ready to receive" your joyous work situation? "I have it" is good, however I've found that pronouns contain less power than the real thing. "I have my joyous work situation." is much much stronger than "I have it". Also, notice the use of the "possessive" pronoun "my". My joyous work situation is integral to My life, I AM. Dear Aida, I hope this helps you to better formulate your own declaration. God Bless You, and Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 10:24:23 -0400 Dear Dick, You are perfectly pardoned. Your question re relevance is valid. Michael also teaches love, healing, and "good work". I posted this questionably irrelevant letter in response to a request from my friend, Barbra Skowronski, who is also a member of this list. She and her mother have received much healing and love from some of the members on this list. God Bless You, and Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Dear Members of the Michael Teaching List: If my request caused you any problems with other members of this list,I apologize. I requested that Kenneth post my letter because I large number of nice individuals have written me letters of encouragement and inspiration. Having to tend to my mother's needs in a 24 hour a day affair. It is a 7 day a week job with no vacations and no overtime allowed (weak humor attempted). I could only write one letter and so I asked Kenneth to forward the note to the list in general so that other members who wrote could be kept up to date on the latest happenings here in Fl. The relevance to this list is 2 fold. 1) It shows how members of this list support one another for in the spiritual sense we are a family, so when one of us is in need, we all pull together and help one another...either with light work, information, prayer,networking or a 100 other ways I do not have time or space to mention. 2) It shows the practical application of channeled information received by Kenneth and applied by me. The meditation works. I feel it could be of great value to everyone on this list. Use it, kick it around, keep it among your tools of techniques for lightwork. You may need it sometime. I close by saying strongly, if you have a problem with this letter being
posted list wide, please direct your criticism and harsh words at me; not a generous, loving
being such as Kenneth. He did not one on this list a wrong, hurt or injustice. In fact, I think
you, the writer of that note to Kenneth, should apologize for your judgmental remarks. After
all, it could have been you asking
Kenneth to extend his hand in your time of great need. Institute for Shamanic Studies and Vibrational Medicine Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:35:58 -0500 I'm hoping that maybe I can get some advice here-- I realize that meditation is something that must be practiced and cannot be taught -- it will come by itself in its own time, provided you keep at it. I just can't get into the right frame of mind to take the first step, it seems. I feel as though I am going through a spiritually tumultuous time right now, where I'm receiving a lot of information but I can't process it. I'm blocked-- I'm blocking myself for some reason. It is very similar to what I experience when I'm trying to use words to describe my feelings. I must be an emotionally centered person because words never come easily when they come at all. I know what I feel, but I can't describe it. It's that feeling of being blocked. Are there other people on this list with a similar situation? How do you deal with this? It's very difficult getting along in life when I can't say what I truly mean. I can't even begin to form the words in my head. This is all very frustrating to me. I got into Taoism because I like to go-with-the-flow attitude, but I'm getting caught up in my own current and I don't know where it's taking me!! I like doing Tai-Chi, but lately I just can't surrender the whirlwind of thoughts in my head to do the exercise at all. Same thing with meditation. I have this dream that pretty much sums it all up. I'm struggling to turn on a light, but it either won't turn on, or it shuts off right away. Or when I approach a light that's already on, it fades as I get nearer. Or does it sum it up? I think it's just the beginning, I guess. It's all very interesting reading about channeling and other spiritual endeavors, but I'm just kinda simple. I think I just want to quiet down whatever havoc is going on in my mind and just live my peaceful existence. The less noise, the better. I just don't care anymore. Maybe I'm just being lazy today. At a loss for more words, Melissa. (the young'in of the list it seems) oh yeah -- how many Scholars are on this list, anyway??? Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:04:40 -0400 Melissa Wrote,
I'm hoping that maybe I can get some advice here--
I realize that meditation is something that must be practiced
and cannot be taught -- it will come by itself in its own
time, provided you keep at it.
Meditation "can" be taught. My teachers taught me. The "realization" of altered states of consciousness cannot be be taught or given. They are experienced and realized only by the meditator. -----
I just can't get into the
right frame of mind to take the first step, it seems.
I feel as though I am going through a spiritually tumultuous
time right now, where I'm receiving a lot of information
but I can't process it. I'm blocked-- I'm blocking myself
for some reason.
Almost everyone on this planet at this time is going through some kind of spiritual tumult. Don't even try to process it all. You are receiving a lot of data that is new to you at this point in time. It will all fall into place at right time in the right circumstances. When the right time occurs you'll find yourself just "knowing stuff" without necessarily knowing how you know. -----
It is very similar to what I experience when I'm trying to
use words to describe my feelings. I must be an emotionally
centered person because words never come easily when they
come at all. I know what I feel, but I can't describe it.
It's that feeling of being blocked. Are there other people
on this list with a similar situation? How do you deal with this?
It's very difficult getting along in life when I can't say what
I truly mean. I can't even begin to form the words in my head.
One little trick in perception here: don't "you" try to use words to describe your feelings, but rather let your feelings form their own words. Take up a pencil and paper and with the expectation that it will all come out lovingly and clearly, allow your hands to be a tool of your feelings, and you be a spectator of sorts, and just watch what your feelings write. At this point in your growth Do not, I repeat, do not, ask for spirits to express themselves though your writings or your thoughts. Use my little suggestions only for you to get to know yourself better. -----
This is all very frustrating to me. I got into Taoism because I
like to go-with-the-flow attitude, but I'm getting caught up
in my own current and I don't know where it's taking me!!
I like doing Tai-Chi, but lately I just can't surrender the
whirlwind of thoughts in my head to do the exercise at all.
Same thing with meditation.
This "mind-chatter" is a common phenomenon with beginning meditators. It is nothing to be overly concerned about. Continue to do the Tai-Chi "while" the thoughts are doing their thing in your head. In your meditations just "watch" the words going throught your brain. You yourself need do nothing; just "watch the words" and thoughts. In time you'll perceive them getting weaker and quieter. One day you'll notice that there are more silences than chatter. And fairly soon after that there'll be only silence when you desire silence. And then... and then... you'll notice within the silence the still small powerful presence of your own wonderful higher self. -----
I have this dream that pretty much sums it all up. I'm struggling
to turn on a light, but it either won't turn on, or it shuts
off right away. Or when I approach a light that's already on,
it fades as I get nearer. Or does it sum it up? I think it's
just the beginning, I guess.
This is a wonderfully interesting picture of your growing process. How about you stop struggling and just watch that light during your Tai-Chi and your Meditations and see what it does in response to how quiet you think your mind is. -----
It's all very interesting reading about channeling and other
spiritual endeavors, but I'm just kinda simple. I think
I just want to quiet down whatever havoc is going on in my
mind and just live my peaceful existence. The less noise, the
better. I just don't care anymore. Maybe I'm just being lazy
today.
Sounds like a late level old soul to me. Many of us listers could fill many sheets of paper telling about our personal searches for peace and quiet. More valuable than money most times. Some days you just don't give a rip about anything. Other days you care sooo deeply about everything. Sometimes lazy, sometimes energetic. Whatever... it's OK. I feel you're doing just fine. Quite a bit of accelerated growth due to the times we're in, but not due to a goal of growth. God's Peace be with you, young lady. Please hang around and ask questions of us, and learn whatever you can. There's no such a thing as a dumb question. -----
oh yeah -- how many Scholars are on this list, anyway???
I am a 7th level Old Scholar. It seems that everyone I've contacted this way is also a Scholar. I don't really know what the statistics are. ----- Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Hello everyone, I've been working on moving over the Michael Teachings web-pages that I made to: http://members.spiritweb.org/michael-teachings/ since I'm planning to get rid of this crl.com account soon. I think the pages will improve there. In regards to the relevancy of topics here, I'm all for supporting people in need of healing. Barbra I send you loving healing energies.... It was Michael who opened me up to seeing mine and helped me on a healing path, which I continue in my own way. I think the Michael Teachings were really meant as a tool, and for me, it's in healing and learning what it really means to be a human being. To me the teachings have been like a life-line sometimes to help me release judgements, learn how to let go and surrender to Spirit, and how to discern. I've learned so much about unconditional love, which integrates the light and the shadow. Melissa, I too have a hard time with meditation. Maybe it's because I just tried too hard. I've never found a silent space.... I can get the voices to stop but the music never does. I always have a song in my head and a rhythm in my body. :) Also, I've always had a high-pitched tone in my ears/head that is physical and never ceases. I have very sensitive ears and hear pitches higher than most people can. (Over 20,000 Hz) So....I worked on developing my clairaudience instead of trying to meditate, because that works for me. Peace can still be found amidst the flowing music and the thoughts.... At least, it's a start. Another Scholar here--that's me. And to Dick Hein, thanks for sharing your knowledge here! It's most welcome. And BTW--you just got to tell the people here what those numbers mean after your name in your signature!! It cracks me up, but it's great. :^D Love and Light, Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 01:28:37 UT Melissa, You are not alone. (Oh how I love the sound of those few words.) Sure is comforting. I think the truth is there are many of us having the same problems. Sometimes the level becomes almost intolerable for me so I've been working on trying to quiet my mind and learn to relax a bit. Each day I've been taking a moment to just stop. I seem to like the real early morning when the sun is coming up and I've had some sleep. If I start with a quiet mind, I seem to get through more of the day without swinging off the chandeliers as much. I'm sure I could find this written somewhere, but whatever, it seems to be helping me a bit. Give it a whirl... find the time that might work for you, even if it's only 5 mins. I have a lot of information that seem to be busting my seams, and yet it seems others are able to relay it so much clearer than I can. Like you, the words are a jumble... going everywhere and nowhere. Are you as tired as I am? I do think so. Will it get any clearer? I SURE HOPE soooooo.....:) Diane Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:40:30 -0700 (PDT) On 2 Aug 1997, Kenneth Broom wrote:
Dick Hein replied: "It is my understanding that those on the causal plane are reunited Entities whose members have all cycled off (the reuniting is done on the upper astral prior to moving to the causal)." Lori here: Multidimensionally speaking, we all are on the Causal (as well as all other) planes, and therefore, we can access other aspects of ourselves which reside on these other planes at any given moment. It is only on the physical and astral planes that we experience the constraints of time/space. The "higher" part of ourselves is accessable at all times.
This also explains a lot about how Universal Consciousness works--it's all thought. SETI people are never going to find intelligent extraterrestrials with radio telescopes--the ET's don't need radio--they operate on thought! Look at how much of our brains we don't even use--it's all just under developed, but some of us know how to use some of those undeveloped parts, and one of those ways is through channeling. Psychic abilities, all ways of connecting to Universal Consciousness, just need development. We humans are (re)learning this slowly.....
This goes along quite well with the idea of "Be Do Have." First, you Be: Let go of judgements, limiting beliefs, "shoulds," undeservability, etc. to align yourself with the honest desire. Then, do what is necessary to move from where you are to where you're going. Then, you Have. Funny how it took me so long to really believe in this, but it's true and it works.
Clear intent, but non-attachment to how the results HAVE to look like, allows it to happen.
Yes, the beingness is the first step. The alignment with the true desire, being honest with yourself, beyond the ego, just lets things flow. Then you go with the flow, and arrive, with the result! :) Love and Light, Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:07:09 -0400 Kenneth Broom wrote:
| As part of my own continuing research on how the universe works I asked
| some basic questions of my own mid-causal entity mates about basic particles.
Dick Hein replied:
It is my understanding that those on the causal plane are reunited Entities
whose members have all cycled off (the reuniting is done on the upper astral
prior to moving to the causal).
Kenneth Broom replies: Hello Dick, I am a member of an entity that consists of about 2000 souls. This entity is referred to by its membership as the Greater Self. We have only 30 souls left extant in the physical plane. I am one of those 30 people. I expect that I will be the last one of us in the physical, although this may change at any time. At the end of my physical life there is the definite possibility that I will become a Transcendental Soul. The remainder of my Greater Self has already asked me if they could experience my life with me and, indeed, are already doing so with my permission. The 1,970 of us who have already finished with the physical plane have about 1970/2000 = 98.5% of our energy already in the causal region. That is why I referred to them as mid-causal. It is also possible that none of the above will happen, due to unforeseen circumstance and decisions, such as the present-day earth/human ascension process that is occuring as we speak/email each other. At the present time our energies are divided among the physical, the upper astral, the mental, and the causal levels. Those of us who are non-physical can move up and down freely between the upper astral and causal levels, but when the last of us completes the physical transition, all of us will move fully into the causal realm, there to continue study and progress to even higher levels. I have learned that despite whatever wisdom I may have collected along my path to "Home" that, on any one topic, there is always more to be understood than I thought. It is very difficult to accurately communicate high level concepts and truths, with physical level words, to 10% brains. This is part of why Melissa is feeling such frustration at not being able to put her feelings and knowingness into words. It is truly OK to know something without being able to put that knowing into words. Our earth languages were not designed to handle such subtlties(sp?), except maybe Sanskrit. It was thought, when I first got into overleaves 15 years ago, that during an incarnation, one must remain at whatever soul level and age that they were born into. This is now known to be untrue. It is not that the previous knowing was incorrect, but that truths change. I was born a 5th level old scholar. I am now sometimes a 5th level old and sometimes 1st level transcendental and sometimes I am somewhere in between. Many of us earth humans are growing so rapidly, due to the ascension process, that truth is being changed in front of our very eyes. It's an interesting growth process when you learn something today and tomorrow find out that "No, thats not quite how it is." It makes one really reluctant to hold fast to anything less than "Love" and "Supreme Being". Love is the inter-connectedness of all existence. The Supreme Being is I AM. More than these I cannot say for sure. Dick, you have it in you to be an extremely helpful agent for truth. Gentleness does not always come easy for us old scholars. The softening of a truth need not lessen its power. An older friend of mine once warned me against "...being too right too often". God Bless You, Happy Growth, and Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 14:42:44 UT Kenneth said "It's an interesting growth process when you learn something today and tomorrow find out that "No, thats not quite how it is." It makes one really reluctant to hold fast to anything less than "Love" and "Supreme Being" This brought to mind the thought that we are constantly changing as part of the overall picture. Wouldn't this just be part of the evolution and movement forward? Seems for many of us it can be uncomfortable...... but no matter, it will continue...:) Diane Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:59:40 -0500 Melissa, reading your email from August 4 really struck something in me. I had to wait a few days to respond because it brought up many memories and feelings. I too understand and have experienced much of what you describe, and it certainly is very frustrating until you get a sense of your role and overleaves - at least enough to begin loosening up and accepting certain things. I think Kenneth is right in saying you sound old level. Maybe this is something you can figure out little by little as you work with the Michael information and with the members on this list, but don't tax yourself now if reading and thinking get you more "into your head" and feeling overwhelmed. I have not had stuff channeled for me, but working with the books I have come to note I am probably a 2nd level old server (the books say slave), and knowing what I know about this has helped me to settle down and feel better about myself and others. (Michael's description fits all my characteristics: ambivalence about self and work, choosing the new level modality, turning inward and simultaneously wanting to fall back on the previous level, sometimes "lazy" and unmotivated to participate in the rat-race.) Melissa, let me ask: do you feel tension around your head? Is the chatter disturbing and emotionally loaded? If it is, it could be that you are in an Intellectual Center "trap" and that developing your ability to activate your other centers and balance things out would be helpful. Certainly the Tai Chi is useful that way, as is QiGong, if you get instruction. I don't recommend learning it alone from a book as it can get you caught inside yourself some more and wondering if you are doing it right, etc. I DO recommend being with others doing these things, at least sometimes. I also recommend taking vigorous WALKS (not running so much). This enhances "rootedness" or grounding, which is helpful to balance the head stuff. In any case, changing centering is a long process and requires patience, compassion for oneself, and perseverance through time. The reason I ask about the tension is that I went through a long and agonizing period in my life when my head was SO active that I thought I would completely lose my wits. Most of the problem was internal, but in part I was overly "mental" and probably reading too much (never mind that it was good material I was reading...). Maybe what you are experiencing is different, I don't know. In my case, at the time I was going through the above, the two main things that helped me to get going in the right direction were therapy, and the wonderful support and unconditional acceptance of some spiritual friends who taught me to do Buddhist meditation on Chenrezig, or Infinite Compassion. Though I did not meditate much - mostly only when I visited these people - their example was a comfort and inspiration, and their unjudgmental hospitality was my refuge. Another thing that helped me was to take a job doing something lighthearted and physical - I worked for a year in a bakery, and it was GREAT! I got out of my head, kneaded dough, packaged things, cut cookies, dealt with customers, and learned to laugh again. Now, about getting started doing meditation. I read the other email responses to yours, and they give really good advice, so consider them carefully and see what works for you. Let me add some things. I have been working over years on learning to meditate, and it is only now that I am beginning to feel it's starting to happen. 1) One crucial thing to do which we often don't realize, is that we need to GIVE OURSELVES PERMISSION to sit down and do "nothing." Do you feel you have given yourself wholehearted permission to meditate even if just for a little while? Speaking for myself, I have struggled with thoughts of "I should be doing this... I should be doing that..." You know, it really is OK to stop to smell the roses. It's OK to stop and tune in. Read the emails about spiritual syntaxis again, and see if you want to find a way to tell yourself it's OK to meditate. One of my favorites is simply to say over and over "let go, let God." but it's important that you find the words that suit you. Since you like the Tao, maybe Lao Tzu has some words that say this sort of thing to you. 2) It doesn't have to be a big deal. It's about cultivating ease, for one thing. I know one monk who meditates in 15 minute stretches - that's all. If you feel you are imprisoned by a busy head, here's a simple easy meditation to try: Pick a simple activity that can be done mindlessly - like washing dishes, walking, stringing some beads, painting your nails, gazing at a picture book or out a window, sewing a button, or bike-riding somewhere where there is not much traffic - and give yourself permission to drop everything else for a short while. Surrender your-self over to the activity for the short time you are doing it. Remember to breathe as you do this. Another thought - given your age, do you think you may be going through the monad of stepping out into the world, out of the circle of your family household? I found that monad very taxing on the mind as I sought to establish myself in the world as an adult and get CONTROL over my life. It's an art finding the balance between control and ease... Sometimes the mind gets overinvolved. This could be a factor feeding the busy mind as your life moves through this process and into the next stage. All of this in addition to the influx of awakening energy we are all experiencing... But Melissa, isn't it great that you are not alone? Do you love this mailing list as much as I do? Didn't Lori have a great idea putting this together??? Let's have a round of applause for Lori, all you list people out there!!!!! I hope my 2 cents are helpful to you, Melissa. Keep up the good work. Rest assured, you are blessed. All my best - Aida. Where do you live, by the way? I studied Tai Chi in New York with Don Ahn on Spring Street. Yang form. Chen Man Chin lineage. You? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Hi there, figured it was about time to delurk and say something. My name is Seth Cohn, and I've been into the Michael teaching for over 12 years now. I'm a 2nd Old Scholar, with mostly scholar/warrior overleaves, and a lot of 3 and 4 energy... a lot of that mid-point stuff... I used to be into the net big time (alt.fan.seth-cohn still exists in some Usenet lists..) and also was into Michael pretty heavily. Shepherd Hoodwin, now located in CA, used to live in NYC, and I was a close friend and transcribed (and participated in) a lot of monthly Michael Speaks he held. I'm honored to be listed among his acknowledgements in a few of his books. I used to be BIG into Michael Math, and if anyone has any questions about, I'm probably a good person to ask. These days, my path isn't Michael, not because I've invalidated it, because it does work and make sense. But around 9 years ago, I discovered the Right Use of Will series of channeled books by Ceanne DeRohan, and while Michael explains the way life/universe is, I found this stuff explained How it got this and how screwed up it is. So lately, I haven't been into any Michael stuff, and in fact, mostly read the posts here and elsewhere with a big grain of salt, because my views are very much different today. I'm into healing the emotional body of myself, and thru it, the emotional body of the universe, which has been damaged to the point of death for us all. Michael feels too much like the 'unemotional' past, and most of the channeling that I (and others) got about the relationship between RUOW and Michael from Michael said that it was 'news' to them as much as to others, even as they validated it in many ways. I'm probably going to just hang back and read, and pop in only when something really triggers me that I HAVE to say. Lori, Great web site, thanks for doing it, cause I had NO idea that any stuff was out there till I yahooed for it on a lark. Haven't even talked to other Michael folk in years, and decided to check back in. Mostly I'm into RUOW and I'm very active with that. Anyone wanting more info, or who already is into, Right Use of Will, drop me a line. I am working on a web site for it, and I'll be posting something whenever it's up and running. Love, Seth Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:46:10 -0700 Hello Kenneth,
Information I picked up at a channel session indicates that infinite souls manifest only through Kings while transcendental souls manifest only through Priests. That they both manifest through exalted Roles is in keeping with their interaction with, and influence over, large numbers of people (the concept of exalted Roles interacting with groups contrasted with ordinal Roles interacting more on a one-to-one basis). It would seem that Scholars, in the neutral (Assimilation) position, are not particularly well suited to perform the activities of a transcendental soul. Also -
A transcendental soul is a representative of a fully reunited entity from the upper causal plane. An incarnation of a transcendental soul usually precedes [the incarnation of an infinite soul] in order to catalyze massive social change. /_Journey_.352 Some channels are getting information that certain living people are transcendental souls. Technically, if our entity still has fragments incarnating, we cannot be transcendental; the oldest soul age we can have on the physical plane is seventh-level old. According to my channeling, when people other than Gandhi, Zoroaster, Mohammed, and Socrates are channeled as being transcendental, it does not refer to a complete displacement of the originally incarnate soul through a walk-in, but usually to a shared energy. Although the essence originally occupying the body is still present and responsible for the life being lived, it is assisted by an essence (or essences) from a fully cycled-off entity. /_Journey_.354
That would appear to indicate that one cannot, either on a fully or shared basis, become a transcendental soul with members of one's own Entity.
This is a very comprehensive explanation. However, I tend to question the validity of some of the points made. My information comes from the various books I've read as well as that gained at group channel sessions. The second level of the Astral Plane is where you go when you are "cycled off," having completed the Physical Plane. After all the members of a particular entity have cycled off, they move to the higher levels of the Astral Plane where they work on combining with each other. When the entity is completely recombined, it can move on to the Causal Plane. /_Basic Teachings_.15 ...after our entity reunites on the upper astral plane, and our cadre reunites on the upper causal plane... /_Journey_.344
There is no mention anywhere about being above the causal (your reference to the mental) before the Cadre reunites, which occurs on the upper causal. It is mentioned repeatedly that one moves to the causal only when one's Entity is completely reunited. And, of course, at that time an Entity no longer has fragments incarnating.
Agreed.
Also agreed. It has been stated numerous times that our language doesn't have the vocabulary to express some of the concepts of the non-physical.
I hadn't addressed that idea per se, but I suppose just accepted it.
Interesting observation.
Could it not be both? Channeling is, after all, not an exact art. Maybe one's definition of "truth" comes into play here. I think in the early days of channeling Michael, what was made available to us was what we (humans) could absorb and understand at the time (that probably continues to be the case). For instance, nothing in the early Yarbro books tells of multiple major cycles (it was hinted at, however), yet in later books it is common knowledge. The same occurred for the concept of parallel universes. So those concepts, while truths to Michael, were not given to us early on so they could not be truths for us at that time (or is this accurate? Can something be a truth if it is unknown?). Is this what you mean by truths changing?
I don't understand your terminology "1st level transcendental." AFAIK a transcendental soul experience is a one-shot deal; there are no levels.
Beliefs and belief systems are based on perceived truths. You make it sound as if truth is ever changing, essentially a moving target. So where does truth end and untruth begin? And who decides? If truth is overly flexible it would tend to play havoc with one's belief systems. I find this idea difficult to accept.
That is potentially more the case for Mature ones.
At first glance this appears to be valid. But how can a truth be "softened"? Either it's true or it's not.
At my stage of development this is not an operative concept. I think this is a good example of how differences in perceptions can be influenced by overleaves (as well as, obviously, soul age). I haven't given a formal intro yet, but here is a comparison of our soul ages and overleaves -
Kenneth Broom Dick Hein
============= =========
Age/Level - Old/5 .................. Mature/5
Goal ------ Acceptance ............. Growth
Mode ------ Observation ............ Perseverance/Caution
Attitude -- Idealist ............... Skeptic/Pragmatist
Center ---- Intellectual/Emotional . Intellectual/Moving
CNF ------- Impatience ............. Stubbornness
I also have Scholar primary casting. Regards, Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:46:21 -0700 Hi Lori, | From: Lori Tostado :^)
Hmmm. OK... Basically it's a takeoff on, and expansion of, Shepherd Hoodwin's notation as seen in _Journey_. I worked up a little decode diagram for it (use a monospaced font to view). An explanation of my casting order notation -
[2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/4.5=26/0.4.11>]
| | | | ||| ||| ||||| ||||| |||||| ^^^^^^-Concurrent incarnations
| | | | ||| ||| ||||| ||||| |||||| (min.cur.max)
| | | | ||| ||| ||||| ||||| ^^^^^^-Soul age (age.level=minor cycles)
| | | | ||| ||| ||||| ^^^^^-Major cycle (count.life-#-this-incarnation)
| | | | ||| ||| ^^^^^-Cadence numbers in order of influence
| | | | ||| ^^^-Fragment within Role in Entity ("raw" number)
| | | | ^^^-Role.ET
| | | ^-Entity
| | ^-Shepherd's Cadre number
| ^-Cadre within Cadre Group
^-Cadre Group
A fragment can be identified from Cadre Group + Cadre + Entity + Role + raw number, and the personality can be identified by adding the life number of the incarnation. Of course both of these are accurate only to the Cadre Group, which is the highest hierarchically identifiable structure we've been given a number for. This notation has changed quite a bit since I started developing it. It's been stable for a few weeks now, but who knows if/when I'll think of something else to put in it. :^) Cheers, Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 09:40:22 -0400 Dear Michael Listers, Geez, I "love" this list. I'd very much like to read everyone's comments and observations (especially from you Michael channelers) re the below posting by Dick Hein and me that indicates our perceptual differences on a few common themes. I found this to be a fascinating and telling example of the wonderful differences in perception that can exist between two scholars. Please note the differences in the Overleaves as compiled by Dick.
Kenneth Broom Dick Hein
============= =========
Age/Level - Old/5 .................. Mature/5
Essence --- Scholar ................ Scholar (inserted by Kenneth)
Goal ------ Acceptance ............. Growth
Mode ------ Observation ............ Perseverance/Caution
Attitude -- Idealist ............... Skeptic/Pragmatist
Center ---- Intellectual/Emotional . Intellectual/Moving
CNF ------- Impatience ............. Stubbornness
As Dick said: "I think this is a good example of how differences in perceptions can be influenced by overleaves (as well as, obviously, soul age)." I'll respond to Dick's comments in a separate posting. He makes some good points. As I said before: "Geez, I "love" this list." God Bless You All, and Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:20:42 -0700 Hi everyone, I'm an old artisan in the 4th entity (first cadre or 3rd by Shepherd) with a scholar essence twin. Interested in the discussion going on regarding planes. My own take on it is that our current fragment is like a point where all the planes intersect. Our own focus (and habits, interests) shift our energy and attention to the different planes. Read somewhere, for instance, that intuition and just knowing are attributes of the causal plane. As that becomes a greater part of our reality, it's as if there's a greater percentage of our energy expressing the nature of the causal plane. Also, the earth plane is a duality plane, but as we take the paradoxical leap where duality unifies in our experience, perception and expression, we are expressing the energy of higher planes even in this world. In that sense, the way we can access higher energies and planes is a lot more fluid than some of the initial explanations to get us used to the ideas might imply. And what energy and plane we access, perceive and express is again a matter of choice and focus. Eventually our own interest draws us more and more toward other planes that better express our current reality. Best to everybody, Also, if there are any fourth entity mates out there, would love to hear from you. Feel free to e mail and say hello! Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:06:13 -0600 (MDT)
Intent is huge... Intent is very important, because the Intent you bring to something determines so much about whether it is loving or not, healing or not, etc... I'll include (separate email) some info I put together from stuff on the net already. I have to make up something better, but cut and paste works wonders if other people have written good stuff already... [Not posted to the list - please email me and I'll send it out. Unless I get a dozen people asking and then I'll post it. :) ]
Time, among other things. I found that while the Michael teaching gave a me a wonderful framework to stick everything in that I knew already (scholar image, huh?) that the more I read RUOW, the less the Michael felt right, not wrong, just "old school of thought" Like reading books about "THE TRUTH ABOUT WHY LIFE WILL END IN 1901", now in the 1990's... The "all is choice" is still true, and works, BUT I've come to believe that the 'game' isn't as much of a game as Michael makes out. That's a view of something after the fact, a justification for "well, it's this way, so it must be right." Shephard did a lot of channeling on RUOW, and I hope to one day get him to publish it (maybe on the net, I'll have to ask him for it..) and basically Michael validated RUOW for me, and the points of contention were tough enough (Is the God of RUOW the TAO, or it is God of this universe, or what?) I found that RUOW pulled me stronger toward healing then Michael. Hope that helps, P.S. I'd love to send this to the list, but don't want to quote you without permission since you sent it privately to me. If you don't mind, let me know. {permission granted via email} Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:28:42 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, RON MCLEOD wrote:
hehe, just thought of a bit I should post here from Land of Pan, the 6th book in the series... From the introduction (pg iv): ...As you remember your past on the way to remembering your imprinting, and your imprinting becomes more of a key to your past, your present, and also your future, you will find that whether you have been unicorn, mixed-up beast, faerie or satyr, elf or mermaid, priest or scholar, king, serf, slave, or whatever; when the experience is felt deeply enough to understand the forms taken on in the different enactments, it will be found that the patterns have been the same, and will remain the same, until imprinting is changed, no matter how it may appear at different points along the way. These patterns will always reflect the same points of view you had in the past and never looked beyond. No one who is into Michael can miss that clear reference and as I said, an almost "Yeah, it's true, but..." attitude. Like "Yup, scholars and kings and all of that are true BUT it's a frozen pattern and not how things should be..." Interesting for me, because I validated Michael in lots of ways, and then used Michael to validate RUOW (not just that, but...) and now, RUOW validates Michael back... but almost as an afterthought... Please understand, I DO think Michael's stuff is accurate and helpful in many ways... it's like learning personality mechanics... I just found that for me, personalities weren't my line of work... I tend to break them and then can't find replacement parts... Love, Scholar fragment, Spirit fragment, a whole bunch of other S-f stuff... Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:35:47 -0400 (EDT) I am very new to your list. I've only been reading the posts for the last two days and find it very interesting. The fact that I've no clue to what you are talking about at this particular moment in now is not relevant, I'll figure it out. That is why I've been sent here. Your mentioning of finding Michael messages in Pan only validates further what I have been feeling all along. We have all the knowledge within and have had it around us all our physical lives. We just weren't looking for it. I can go all the way back to my childhood now and tell you things I've remembered that are pertient to this journey I just didn't recognize it then. It wasn't the right moment for it to trigger. I am further reminded of the ancient story tellers that were used to pass along history to the next generation. Only the next generation of story tellers some how dropped off just a tiny portion and added just a tiny portion and so forth and so forth. Leaving us now with a much less accurate picture than the original version. Like passing down a song and leaving one verse off and adding one verse each time it's passed to the next generation. I feel there are spiritual truths in everything we do, speak etc. We have just not been triggered to recognize all of them yet. That is part of the journey to pick up on these messages that have been left along the path for us to collect on our journey home. I look forward to much learning and remembering here. Love and Blessings Carolyn Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:39:54 +0800 Having very recently become a lurker on this list, it's struck me as to how many Scholars write in. Why is it particularly weighted towards Scholars (3rd level old scholar here, before anyone asks)? Melissa's problem struck home immediately - I've been attempting regular meditation for nearly four years and it's still a frustratingly hit and miss affair. I constantly feel blocked, and simply cannot reach the stillness that I need to find. I remember reading in one of the Yarbro books that a noisy mind is endemic to we Scholars - so how do we bypass the mental static? Curiously enough, the Earth To Tao book says that "scholars can do almost anything to effectively meditate. Scholars and meditation are synonymous." My own experience directly contradicts this, and so, it would seem, does Melissa's. I personally find meditation bloody hard work, when it works at all. I would like to change this but I'm running out of paths to take - I've gone it alone, had guided meditations, been taught by long-time meditators, gone from books (including Michael books), tapes, group meditations - I don't know what to do anymore. And the need grows stronger.....To add insult to injury, my lovely (4th level old sage) wife can clear her mind and meditate 'at the drop of a hat.....' BTW, anyone got any tips on how to permanently remove an emotional centre? Just kidding - but only a little.... Sonny Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:36:38 -0600 (MDT) On 9 Aug 1997, skwitt wrote:
Michael in general attracts scholars like flies, it's the sweet scent of a complex yet quantifible system. Very concrete with a firm math flavor. Yum Yum. :) Add the scholarness of a mailing list (knowledge compressed into bite size pieces), and you have the makings of a Scholar Fest. Servers will post about how they can help people, Artisans will post creative yet weird compositions, Warriors will post blunt expressions in as few words as possible, Sages will post long treatises and solioquys which are hard to get a word in edgewise, Priests will post stuff which leads toward people finding connection, and Kings will attempt to meet people on a list for the purposes of further contact and goals. But Scholars will dominate this sort of forum with the meaty posts full of knowledge and questing for knowledge.
It's damn hard. Even while channeling (I used to) I could never turn off my mind, I was always sitting 'behind' my body, watching with interest. I know meditation is a valid goal, but I'm going to suggest that 'stillness' isn't neccessarily the answer. Flow is. Let the noise happen, LISTEN to it, move with it, ALL of it. If you need to cry and scream, or move your body, or whatever flows up, let it. Don't get locked into the 'form' of meditation as 'sitting quietly at rest'. You have stuff flowing, and stopping that flow isn't the answer: letting it move and find the right place in right time is.
Listen to what the sentences says: Can DO almost anything. Not can overcome anything. It is saying that whatever you do, you can do and make use of a meditative state. Not that you must sit quietly and force it to happen. Do dishes (my LEAST favorite activity, and I've been told this myself) in a meditative state, or anything else, drive, paint, whatever: let the flow happen, and WATCH it. Don't disconnect, but just let it happen without having to control it.
Sages can focus intently. They can hold many focuses at once and learn how to shift and cut off others, so they can be aware or reverse, be unaware of surroundings/events/noise/etc.
Not even close to funny for me. But that's me and my own issues, I'm into healing the emotional body from the damage that everyone has done by 'removing it'. If you want to learn how to FEEL those emotions you long to remove, let me know, if you want to cut them out, go ahead, the rest of us out here will take them back, and you'll end up feeling nothing at all. Course, that will in the long run be very unpleasant. Love, Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:35:47 -0400 (EDT) I am very new to your list. I've only been reading the posts for the last two days and find it very interesting. The fact that I've no clue to what you are talking about at this particular moment in now is not relevant, I'll figure it out. That is why I've been sent here. Your mentioning of finding Michael messages in Pan only validates further what I have been feeling all along. We have all the knowledge within and have had it around us all our physical lives. We just weren't looking for it. I can go all the way back to my childhood now and tell you things I've remembered that are pertient to this journey I just didn't recognize it then. It wasn't the right moment for it to trigger. I am further reminded of the ancient story tellers that were used to pass along history to the next generation. Only the next generation of story tellers some how dropped off just a tiny portion and added just a tiny portion and so forth and so forth. Leaving us now with a much less accurate picture than the original version. Like passing down a song and leaving one verse off and adding one verse each time it's passed to the next generation. I feel there are spiritual truths in everything we do, speak etc. We have just not been triggered to recognize all of them yet. That is part of the journey to pick up on these messages that have been left along the path for us to collect on our journey home. I look forward to much learning and remembering here. Love and Blessings Carolyn Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 20:59:41 -0700 Seth Cohn wrote:
Welcome Seth! Despite my often late replies, I've been reading every post with interest.
There's one area of the Michael teachings that I'm not so good with...maybe I'll ask you some things about that sometime. :)
You're the first person I've met who was into both those things. My only exposure to RUOW was through some discussions on a mailing list (lightwork-l) that I was on for a couple years, late '94 to early '96....Somewhere along the way many RUOW "fans" joined and created some interesting, but volatile discussions that left me feeling pretty confused. I couldn't say much, never having read the books myself, but from what I saw there--the raging arguments, profanity thrown out against people with opinions, and blatant disrespect for others' personal boundaries, I was going, "THIS is Right Use of Will??? I don't think so!!" I thought, if this is what it's all about, I'm outta here.... So, I left the list. Well it was one reason. Don't get me wrong, my own personal path is one of healing too--emotional, spiritual, physical, and everything else that makes us human beings Whole. And I am certainly open to your discussion of RUOW here, for my own understanding as well as how it relates to your path. In other words, I hope you can just see where I'm coming from on this and know that I have an open enough mind to consider other sides of a story. Actually I have found a very deep emotional aspect to the Michael material. My friend and teacher Stephen Cocconi channels Michael with a depth of feeling and spiritual compassion unsurpassed when it comes to the human condition. I don't know how many times I've just broken down and cried as the clarity of Michael's words and energy assisted me in breaking through long-held limiting beliefs, issues of worthiness, judgement, and denial. I could say more I suppose, but there are still some things that are beyond words for me. One thing Michael showed me though was in learning to channel, how to really get into my heart-center. I had asked Michael if they could help me "heal my heart" (and though at the time I thought I meant physical healing--I have congenital paroxysmal atrial tachycardia, a fast, irregular heartbeat I've taken medication for 14 years now) and what came up for me was a HUGE profound emotional/spiritual healing path. They even showed me how I can assist others in this way, a profoundly emotional, intense energetic experiential way. It has no words, it is just something I learned to surrender to, and it feels great. (I have more about this on my web-page, but it's kind of hidden--http://members.spiritweb.org/michael-teachings/diamond.html it's a story on how I started on this healing path.) I would say that the stuff I know about the Chief Features is probably the most helpful material within the teachings, for myself anyway. And on learning discernment, and listening to my own inner voice to determine what's really true. And about embracing our "shadow"....how to overcome ego traps not by trying to destroy the Chief Feature, but by recognizing it, thanking it for its good intention of trying to protect the personality, and loving it! (That is what sets you free from it!) Ego was made to protect the personality, and it does this through fear, and through the M. teachings I've seen how to recognize it by what emotions it brings up in me, and honoring that (I didn't say totally giving into ego though.) Letting emotions run through us, letting them go off for healing, no need to judge or beat yourself up for having any particular emotion, they are all there for us to learn from and show us where we still need to work on our healing. And God, a sense of humor!! Laugh at yourself once in a while! The ego may not like that in really dramatic emotional situations, but it sure helps give a wider view, a new perspective, that opens you up to the remembrance that things aren't just so subjective as they seem. My friend Rene who runs spiritweb.org, (he's on this list but only out of necessity, and probably will never read this posting anyway) has some very strong views that the Michael Teachings are, to put it mildly, nonsense. He hasn't read any of the books--only some channelings that I exposed him to--but thinks most of this is all just putting people in limiting boxes that can't even begin to describe who we truly are. I can see his point, I can see the resistance to what I see as truth as well. And because of how much I've always respected him, there are times the very foundation of most of my spiritual beliefs, which Michael teachings have made up a huge portion of the very core for me, I've considered that maybe this is nonsense....But I just KNOW in my heart it's not--I've put it to use in my life for years now, and I've taken other paths, and they always brought me back here, so I know it's right for me....And yet, I see how some people use the overleaves and soul-age material for their own self-righteous superiority, judgemental views, and it makes me sick!! I suppose every teaching out there some people will make into a "religion" of sorts so they can stop taking responsibility for their own lives. Yeah, society is screwed up, I agree. Getting all "metaphysical" about it, saying "Oh, it's all choice, those people chose their lives and that's their problem," doesn't change anything. Blaming someone else for social ills doesn't change anything, it just increases victimhood consciousness, martyrdom, a vicious circle. Choosing not to participate (the bull-shit answer I've seen some lazy old souls give--heh, there's a stereotype for you--I know many mature souls who are a whole lot wiser than some old souls!) doesn't change anything. Where is the answer? Well certainly, it lies within each of us, but how to get there.....How to really BE who you are, to HAVE everything in life you deserve, to CHANGE the world?? Yeah, there was only so far reading Michael books and doing/attending channelings could get me. Experience. Michael has said it already--we came here to experience. So, that's where I've headed with all this. Getting off the old-soul butt and doing something. One great thing I did that has been one of the major breakthroughs on this road of healing and fully becoming who I am (it continues) was called Breakthrough Training. It's a total immersion experience where you get to face your ego, your darkest fears and desires, in a space of intense emotion and unconditional (but tough) love. God, I wish I could describe what I got out of those trainings..... Major attitude adjustment and it was about taking on your life, being accountable, giving and receiving, creating win-win situations, trust, courage, and blowing apart that "box" of limitation that's made up of false beliefs about ourselves. Miracles happened in there. And there were many "regular people" in there whose lives were really screwed up, and to see them FLY....you talk about inspiring! God, those classes were short and intensive, and through them, I know how to make my dreams come true. Some of them already have come true. It all flowed..... And it's just a starting point! And now, I'm back, to the Michael Teachings, with more perspectives than I had before, with my love, my integrity, my daring to be different, my power, and a better ability to really Listen and Notice......And I'm open to new things too.
I'm glad to read your perspectives on this. Please share more (I see you already have since this posting.) :^)
Well, here you are!! :^)
Thank you, and I guess I could say, welcome back?? :-) Love, Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Note: this arrived in my mail box, and from the wording, looks like it's meant for the list (deep apology if not). I've already suggested to Rene via email that the reply-to: header be changed from the sender to the list (should be easy to do, most lists I get are set like that) Lori, maybe you can suggest it also, as I just dropped a line to webmaster@spiritweb.org and not direct to Rene.
Ok, for Michael, Lori has all of the books listed on her website, and rather give all the details, I'll recommend the ones I liked the most: Messages from Michael (the first and still the best intro to the idea, even if not the best explanation) Journey of Your Soul (Shepherd's friendship aside, this is THE book. Best overall explanation of Michael in detail and channeling in general.) Earth to Tao and Tao to Earth, (good basic simple books but I didn't like them myself because I knew the material well by the time these came out.) Lori's website is great and higly recommended. You can reach it from www.spiritweb.org (goto the page for this mailing list) What do other people recommend? I'm biased by knowledge and friendship, and I'm sure other people prefer other books? For Right Use of Will, I'll email a good intro direct to you. There are 6 books (soon 7th) and they really should be read in order. The first book is called Right Use of Will, and the channel is Ceanne DeRohan. Small blue book, nothing fancy. All should be available from any good metaphysical bookstore.
Happy Birthday!!! Love, Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:29:43 -0600 (MDT) On 9 Aug 1997, Lori Tostado wrote:
Hey, I saw some good stuff on your website... :)
Back in NY, in the early Michael days there, there were about 4 or 5 of us into both. I was involved for eight years with a woman who I met right at that time, and she discovered both and I discovered RUOW. Shepherd introduced it to us, actually, evne though he wasn't and still isn't big into it.
heheh, yes. Right Use of Will tends to bring out the 'nasty' side in people. The current mailing lists have had some infighting and splits and to newcomers, it looks like anything but "new age Loving" stuff. In fact, people who come in with a "angelic lightness and sweetness" tend to get screamed at to get real and stop pushing away the Will. Truth there, but difficult for some people to hear.
Well, my own feelings are that this is a Michael group, and I'll be glad to discuss it up to a point, but I don't want to lose this groups focus. If someone is interested in more, I can email them info and they can join the public mailing list and ask more there.
Don't mishear me. Michael is a GREAT teaching. I wouldn't have subscribed to this list if I didn't feel that. I wouldn't have spent the time I did transcribing tapes, or helping out Shepherd with his monthly sessions, etc... And Michael does honor the emotions grealty and brings a lot of love through. As I said, it's about where I am and my path that is why I'm into RUOW firstmost now.
Sounds great but I hear this undercurrent judgement there (and most people have it, so it's not personal to you) that those emotions are 'negative' and need to be healed and I am senstive to that, because that subtle judgement is a big part of the problem. The only way to heal is to FEEL all of those emotions and let them find a space within you. They DO shift and move and transmute to love, but it takes time and most people end up pushing them out first. "No loving to feel that rage, so I'll let it go, cause I want to be loving" and that rage fragments off and out into the world instead and does just what you denied.
Like I said to someone else about boxes: Well, you organize stuff, you HAVE to sort it. Michael is about labeling energies and sorting. Which is one good reason Scholars and Warriors like it so much.
Yup, truth will tell, and SOME people will always take your truth and misuse it. I've met Michael people I couldn't STAND, and RUOW people I couldn't stand. People I would rather weren't into the material becasue they give it a bad name and worse, harm others who don't realize that the 'real thing' is very different.
And that "all is choice" is a key to Michael, and it's SO true and yet... I feel it's missing a piece of the picture which is where RUOW fits for me.
Hehe, count me as a lazy old soul. :) I choose not to participate at all.
This is another problem I have with Michael because RUOW talks about people being trapped here, and it not being a choice but more of a smack out. Which is right? Depends on your perspective... and maybe in some way, both are right? Love, Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:29:36 -0500 This quote reminds me of something going on right now among the major
religions of the planet. Well, the time has now come when organized religions are noting a drastic reduction in clergy, and are reaching out to the lay population, and indeed have begun talking to each other to find their common ground. They are also learning that some of the gaps each religion noted in their teachings and traditions are somehow filled in by what they learn from another religion. To use the language of the quote below, the fact of some kind of "imprinting" is being discovered, and organized entities are realizing that their points of view were limited and subject to change (lke everything else...) if the Truth is to be served. Here's an example: just yesterday I read about a radical concept to Catholics, who have for so long stressed the doctrine of original sin. Well, it turns out that the Jews don't have that concept - it's something that came with St. Augustin kindof late in the game after Christ. There is a radical Catholic priest now talking about the "new" doctrine of Original Blessing - and he attributes the Buddhists with contributing this one! I love it! My point is that yes, it is all one Whole Cloth, and while "game" may be a flip word to use for what is going on - especially given how painful ignorance and delusion and the human condition can be, it applies in some sense. There is something "at play" here - and I agree with Lori's comments elsewhere about the importance of HUMOR in this journey. How else are we going to get through the burning of karmic ribbons and the birthing and shedding of human forms with a modicum of grace and dignity? I for one, intend to get good at rowing my boat gently down the stream merrily... A pertinent (I think) aside... As far as I can see, tuning into the lower self/chief feature/negative poles vibes can be useful - but only for the purpose of acknowledging it, and then proceding to BLESS BLESS BLESS, transmute, and claim that vast reservoir of energy that's locked up within the "imprinting" and negativity. Only by doing this will we get beyond our limitations and link up by and by. This requires spiritual PRACTICE, though, not just talk. Incidentally, I think it's best to disregard our tendency to poo-poo others' angles on their spiritual journeys. Who knows when we'll need to embrace all these angles to get beyond our own limitations? I do enjoy reading all the honest commentary, and sincerely pray that we touch the heart of our best intent before putting forth. Aida ---------- > From: Seth Cohn > To: Michael Teachings List <michael-teachings-l@spiritweb.org> > Subject: Tell me this isn't a Michael reference... ;) > Date: Friday, August 08, 1997 6:24 PM > > On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, RON MCLEOD wrote: > > > I'd like to here more about Ruow and what it means to you. Since you have > > some knowledge of the Michael source material you present a viewpoint worthy > > of attention. > > hehe, just thought of a bit I should post here from Land of Pan, the 6th > book in the series... > > > From the introduction (pg iv): > > ...As you remember your past on the way to remembering your imprinting, > and your imprinting becomes more of a key to your past, your present, and > also your future, you will find that whether you have been unicorn, > mixed-up beast, faerie or satyr, elf or mermaid, priest or scholar, king, > serf, slave, or whatever; when the experience is felt deeply enough to > understand the forms taken on in the different enactments, it will be > found that the patterns have been the same, and will remain the same, > until imprinting is changed, no matter how it may appear at different > points along the way. These patterns will always reflect the same points > of view you had in the past and never looked beyond. > > No one who is into Michael can miss that clear reference and as I said, > an almost "Yeah, it's true, but..." attitude. Like "Yup, scholars and > kings and all of that are true BUT it's a frozen pattern and not how > things should be..." > > Interesting for me, because I validated Michael in lots of ways, and then > used Michael to validate RUOW (not just that, but...) and now, RUOW > validates Michael back... but almost as an afterthought... > > Please understand, I DO think Michael's stuff is accurate and helpful in > many ways... it's like learning personality mechanics... I just found > that for me, personalities weren't my line of work... I tend to break > them and then can't find replacement parts... > > Love, > Seth > > Scholar fragment, Spirit fragment, a whole bunch of other S-f stuff... Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 12:48:08 -0400 Dear Aida, it's always a pleasure to read your postings. Aida Rodriguez-Parnas wrote:
I really appreciate the clergy's search for "common ground" and their filling in each other's gaps. When I read the words "Original Blessing" I too exclained "I love it!" This is truly fascinating. I'd really like to know more about these changes in "Churchianity". Know where I can read more about this?
It's interesting that you mention this because I've been experimenting with "living and being in the positive poles of all my overleaves" as a relief from feeling the world as being too much with me. The results, again, are instanteous. It doesn't take me out of the world, but rather it puts me in a right relationship with the world. Anyone can do this, even those who don't know their overleaves, much less their positive poles. Just say "I live and have my being in the positive poles of all my overleaves". and bingo! Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 13:52:55 -0400 Dear List Mates, I just re-read one of my own posts after I'd posted it. I'd mispelled and left out so many words that I was really chagrined. I've noticed that others of us do the same. Does anybody know why so many Scholars mispell or leave out so many words? You'd think that we'd be excellent and consistent spellers and instinctive editors. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:04:29 -0600 (MDT) On 9 Aug 1997, Kenneth Broom wrote:
Yes, I do the same and I am sure it is becasue my mind works faster then my fingers do, and my fingers end up falling behind, and leave out words or worse misspell (sp?) obvious words. Even when I say "oh, I'll check things before I post, I end up missing stuff... I've long since moved past caring about it, because the gist is usually clear and that's good enough for me. Love, Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:08:02 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-09 14:12:39 EDT, you write: I am glad to hear others commenting on this. This has been a problem for me all my physical existance. Proofing is certainly not my calling (smile). I doesn't seem to matter whether it is typed or handwritten. Love and Blessings Carolyn On 9 Aug 1997, Kenneth Broom wrote: > I just re-read one of my own posts after I'd posted it. I'd mispelled <<<<<<<<Yes, I do the same and I am sure it is becasue my mind works faster then my fingers do, and my fingers end up falling behind, and leave out words or worse misspell (sp?) obvious words. Even when I say "oh, I'll check things before I post, I end up missing stuff... I've long since moved past caring about it, because the gist is usually clear and that's good enough for me. Love, Seth.>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Dear Kenneth: Right now with my mother in her condition and me working at home,visiting here at the hospital and doing errands left and right for members of my family, it has a greater effect upon me than usual. For all the misspellings,typps,and misspelling,I appologize. Institute for Shamanic Studies and Vibrational Medicine Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 21:27:52 -0400 Hi Barbra, No need to aplogize. Dislexic or not, you're no worse than the rest of us mispleeres. :>) Hang in there, Kiddo. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:21:10 -0600 (MDT) another letter misdirected.... clearly meant to go to the list. Love, ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > On 9 Aug 1997, skwitt wrote: > > > Having very recently become a lurker on this list, it's struck me as to how > > many Scholars write in. Why is it particularly weighted towards Scholars > > (3rd level old scholar here, before anyone asks)? > > Michael in general attracts scholars like flies, it's the sweet scent of > a complex yet quantifible system. Very concrete with a firm math flavor. > Yum Yum. :) Add the scholarness of a mailing list (knowledge compressed > into bite size pieces), and you have the makings of a Scholar Fest. Per Kenneth: You know it, Seth. I am a "Systems Engineer by profession. When I first came upon the Overleaves and the Michael Teachings it was like love at first sight. Man, I ate this stuff up. It was like God had dumped a whole load of Mind Mana into my Soul.
This is a great part of what I like about this list. The postings tend to not be overly long and they are chock full of new information and new questions. Man, the questions are just as valuable as the data.
Per Kenneth: This is a very interesting point. It took me about twenty years to get my mind to quiet itself when I request it to do so. I never could "force" it to shut up. I wound up treating it as a separate living being, and convincing it that I was the boss and that it existed to serve me, and that the better I felt the better it would feel. Now I consider it one of my best friends and an extremely valuable assistant for living a good life. I have a Chief Feature of Impatience, but I think my mind has a CF of stubbornness. I can now clear my mind and meditate 'at the drop of a hat.....'
Per Kenneth: Rather than remove it I just tell it to close down. This produces an interesting feeling of detachment. It's not comfortable at all. The emotional center is like a feedback signal system that tells you how close your thoughts, words, and deeds are to reflecting the beingness of your higher self. I don't think you really want to permanently remove it.
Per Kenneth: Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:42:40 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-10 03:00:30 EDT, you write:
Has anyone read or listened to Dr. Caroline Myss's books or tapes? "Anatomy of The Spirit" book or the tape series (she has several) " Energy Anatomy" . She has some really interestings things about call our spirit back and disconnecting from situations that we should never have been involved with. Her information on the role of the victum is also really profound and one I sense we all find ourselves in from time to time. I found it quite informative and enlighting. It shows us how we allow others to disempower ourselves and it clearly shows that we must take the responsiblity to call our spirit back and take responsiblity for ourselves, our feelings, emotions, actions, etc. Isn't forgiving ourselves, others, clearing and disconnecting really a part of our journey home?
My feeling is that no one is asking us not to feel emotions, only take responsiblity for the emotions and see the cause and effect in action whereby recognizing what happens to ourselves and others when we use thought forms and feelings. Love and Blessings Carolyn Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:29:45 -0400 Hi, I joined this list a week or so ago and have been enjoying the posts. I'm extremely busy and don't have much time to post myself. BTW, I'm a 4th level Old Scholar in Observation. ;) Anyway, here's a couple of comments about random issues brought up lately here...
Don't forget that many people never manifest their true soul age at all, especially old souls. There are a whole bunch of screwed up old souls out there because our society (speaking mainly of the US here) shames them for being who they are. (Lazy, weird, etc.) It's very destructive for an old soul to try to be something he/she is not (like a young soul). But society, in so many ways, demands that you live up to a mythical standard (usually set by the media). I think that's why many old souls get into drugs. It's just too painful to be here a lot of the time.
This is definitely the way to go, IMO--mentorship, that is. If you want to get old soul-ie hang out with other old souls. The problem with finding others in their 20s is that old souls generally don't wake up until their in their mid-thirties. When I was in my 20s I was manifesting heavy-duty mature. It's rare that matures (believe me, I know a lot of them) will be enough interested in the spiritual side of things to really get into the Search. Re problems with meditation: I think anyone in Observation will have problems getting extremely deep into a trance; there's always that lurker there in the background, observing. But it can be done. There's a lot of really neat consciousness technology out there these days. You might try a sound and light machine. Check out http://www.tools4explore.com. It's a company that sells a lot of related stuff like that.
Dick, what does the acronym AFAIK mean? :) I haven't seen that one before. Also, where did you come upon the info that a Transcendental Soul experience is "a one-shot" deal and that there are no levels there? I haven't heard that either. :) << Dick replies:
IMO, Truth is relative to an individual's own reality and state of
consciousness. To find "True Truth" Re Scholars and mailing lists... The internet is a paradise for scholars. So much information at your fingertips! Any scholar not on the net should be. IMNSVHO. ;)
Well stated. I went to an energy healing workshop in Sedona in 1994 (Robert Jaffe's School of Energy Mastery), and you can bet your booty that the vast majority of the people there were old souls, many just about ready to cycle off. None of them that I talked to were familiar with the Michael teachings. When I made a comment during one of the discussions about an old soul's reactions compared to a baby soul's, the group facilitator said that they didn't like to look at things that way, mainly for the reason Lori describes above--pigeon-holing people. That's all well and good for them if they stick to the company of other old souls. IMO, however, if you meet somebody out in the "real world" <G>, it's very helpful to know their soul age and overleaves, because you know where they're coming from. You don't expect more out of them than they can give. If somebody is a baby soul, they are not going to be able to comprehend the concept of flying to Arizona to attend a 5-day workshop on energy healing. They'll think you're nuts. So you just don't bring it up, or you tell it in such a way that they can hear it. :) The same goes for the Roles. It's very helpful to know that someone is a Sage, not just a blabbermouth, (or a Scholar, not just a rude, insensitive jerk who walks away when he/she gets overloaded)... ;))) Anyway, enough for now. :) Chris Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:35:21 +0000 I've been lurking in the wings for a couple of weeks now. I wasn't going to join the list, but at the time, archives were not yet available, and I didn't want to miss anything. I'm about as novice as you can get when it comes to the Michael stuff. I do know that I am an old scholar in observation, but that is about it. I have dabbled in many different areas of metaphysics/spirtitually/religion/(name-your-label), and really have come to the conclusion that when you boil it all down to the very base, everyone is working toward the same thing (ascension), but different entities are at different levels and require different teachings to get the message. I have intuitively known this since I was about 16, and have been picking it apart for years, but the one thing that really drove it home for me was hearing Deepak Chopra quoting Carlos Casteneda. I was driving home from work listening to a cassette at the time, and that rocked me so hard I almost ran off the road. I mean, how much further at opposite ends of the spectrum can you get? (or so I thought). Like a typical scholar, I tend to go off on tangents and research the hell out of little things that catch my interest. I was looking for "how to channel" information on the net about two years ago, which kind of brought me into Lori's web site through a back door. Her piece on channeling was by far the best information on the subject. Nothing else even came close. I just had to tell her, so I e-mailed her, which is something I never do (e-mailing a stranger). (Not to insinuate she's stranger than I) ;) Anyway, I discovered Michael through her site and I asked her a bunch of questions via e-mail. Subsequently, when the list started I received an e-mail, and here I am. At the moment I am immersed in so many projects I just haven't made time to read all of the posts, or respond. In light of all of this discussion, especially the post that follows, me thinks me best be paying closer attention.
This was me until about age, whew, age 30. Talk about naive! Talk about identity crisis! It was really bad in high school. I couldn't relate to anyone! I had a lot of friends, or at least was well-liked, but I was different. I didn't get close to anyone. I was drinking and doing drugs (at school), taking the hard classes, and still pulling A's and B's. I was an enigma. I was accepted into everyone's group, but wasn't a member of any of them. Wasn't it Mark Twain that said, "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member?" > | I'd have to say, in all honesty, that I'm probably on this list because
I was in the same place when I was younger. I just didn't have the guts or the motivation to actively seek out a mentor.
Exactly. That is why this mailing list is so scholar heavy. The internet is a scholar magnet. >I've taken other paths, and they always brought me back here, so I know That is the key. What is right for you. It is the nature of the scholar to look elsewhere for answers, but it looks like you've found a home. I have always felt my learning works in a spiral. I will absord ideas from one philosophy, move on to another, and another. And as I move about, and hear the same thing in different ways from different teachers, I begin to get it. It's a continuous process, and as I move about from teaching to teaching, I grow. So, the spiral. This all started at about age 13 when someone turned me on to the Castaneda books. Of course, I didn't really understand the material at the time, but it got me started. I went back about a year ago, and took a look at that stuff again, and it took on a whole new meaning. Then to hear Chopra quoting it and talking about intent. Wow!
Why? Let it go. That's their problem. Anyway, I'm glad I subscribed to the list. Looks like I need to make time to do my homework. The Michael technical stuff is so far over my head I can only see the soles of your feet. John Rogers Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:42:52 -0400 CPORiley@aol.com wrote:
Several of my Old Soul friends have recommended her. I'm definitely going to have to look up her work. I've seen her tapes in my Sounds True catalog.
Someone mentioned the concept of, to wit, "what you truly experience disappears." Or, as one "guru" of mine in the past said, "What you resist persists." You hear this same concept in the field of child psychology and parenting (I agree with Jose Stevens, see Transforming Your Dragons, that the stages of soul age are analogous to the stages of human development, infancy, toddlerhood, childhood, adolescence, adulthood, etc.). You are advised to "reinforce" behavior in a child that you want to grow, and ignore (as much as possible--of course stand in the way of mayhem <G>) negative behavior. Ignoring it makes it go away. Then there is the "experimentor effect." The very act of "observing" a phenomenon (Scholars take note <G>, this is what you do all the time, observe, as Christopher brought up), effects change in it. My dh, Christopher, just informed me that if I hit "Reply to Sender" in Netscape 4.0 I am not replying to the List, but only to the sender of the message. I had intended to send three-four short messages to the list last night, and maybe the reason there aren't more posts on this list (other than the fact that many of us are Scholars) is that others didn't know this problem either. What you have to do is So what is "fully experiencing" emotions as opposed to "suppressing" or "repressing" them? Or, for that matter "resisting" or "rejecting" them? And how does the concept of "acceptance" fit into all this? These are all terms that get matures and old souls in a lather of guilt and worry about "doing the emotional work right." At least it has me and most of the matures and olds I've known this lifetime. There are a thousand mentor/gurus out there selling courses on how to do this stuff, too. <G> Here's a Sage-Scholar, Intellectual Part of Emotional Center take on the issue (I'll refrain from writing a dissertation and throw out some rambling thoughts): I've been trying for over 20 years to understand "acceptance." Is acceptance merely the concept of Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:42:52 -0400 CPORiley@aol.com wrote:
Several of my Old Soul friends have recommended her. I'm definitely going to have to look up her work. I've seen her tapes in my Sounds True catalog.
Someone mentioned the concept of, to wit, "what you truly experience disappears." Or, as one "guru" of mine in the past said, "What you resist persists." You hear this same concept in the field of child psychology and parenting (I agree with Jose Stevens, see Transforming Your Dragons, that the stages of soul age are analogous to the stages of human development, infancy, toddlerhood, childhood, adolescence, adulthood, etc.). You are advised to "reinforce" behavior in a child that you want to grow, and ignore (as much as possible--of course stand in the way of mayhem <G>) negative behavior. Ignoring it makes it go away. Then there is the "experimentor effect." The very act of "observing" a phenomenon (Scholars take note <G>, this is what you do all the time, observe, as Christopher brought up), effects change in it. My dh, Christopher, just informed me that if I hit "Reply to Sender" in Netscape 4.0 I am not replying to the List, but only to the sender of the message. I had intended to send three-four short messages to the list last night, and maybe the reason there aren't more posts on this list (other than the fact that many of us are Scholars) is that others didn't know this problem either. What you have to do is So what is "fully experiencing" emotions as opposed to "suppressing" or "repressing" them? Or, for that matter "resisting" or "rejecting" them? And how does the concept of "acceptance" fit into all this? These are all terms that get matures and old souls in a lather of guilt and worry about "doing the emotional work right." At least it has me and most of the matures and olds I've known this lifetime. There are a thousand mentor/gurus out there selling courses on how to do this stuff, too. <G> Here's a Sage-Scholar, Intellectual Part of Emotional Center take on the issue (I'll refrain from writing a dissertation and throw out some rambling thoughts): I've been trying for over 20 years to understand "acceptance." Is acceptance merely the concept of Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:48:12 -0400 I love electronic communication precisely because people don't waste endless time worrying about how "good" or "bad" their communication/letter will look. I was always starved for mail in the snail mail era for that very reason. No one would write because worrying about spelling, etc. made it such a horrible chore. :( Kate Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:48:49 -0400 Aida Rodriguez-Parnas wrote:
Aida, hear hear. :) I love writing humor and have been stating to the Universe/Essence/Tao for some time now that I'm tired of learning through suffering. I'd like to try out learning through Joy now, thank you very much. :) Kate Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:49:12 -0400
I have a *lot* of questions about casting & cadences and the math involved therein which arose after reading about it in Shepherd Hoodwin's book Journey of the Soul. Would it be OK with everyone if I post the questions here? They are pretty involved. I've done a lot of work with numbers over the years as a professional numerologist, so anytime I run across mystical use of numbers anywhere, I immediately get very interesting. <G> However, I confess I found Hoodwin's explanations rather confusing and at times, seemingly, inconsistent. Oh, BTW, I'm a fifth-going-into sixth level Old Soul Sage with incarnate Scholar ET (was actually married to him a couple years some years back <G>). I have Priest Casting. I might mention that I'm crazy about Scholars, my life runneth over with them. Many friends and many husbands, including four old soul scholar husbands. <G> My fourth and current OS scholar husband is also my Entity Mate. So...I think I'll feel right at home with all you OS scholars here. <G> BTW, very true the remark about Scholars writing treatises. I have been kicked off more than one BB for that failing. <G> Kate Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:19:28 -0600 (MDT) On 10 Aug 1997, Kate McMurry wrote:
Yes, this is all true.... I got back a response from Rene saying that he felt that setting the "reply-to:" header to the list address was a bad thing. Seeing how many posts here are going to the author and not back to the list, I disagree, but heck, not my place to change it. If the reply-to: header was set so that it points to the list address, all of the above would be unneeded, you'd just hit "reply" and it would automagically send back to the list. Rene's point was that by making it a little harder, you forced people to think a bit, and not send out tons of one liners to the whole list. Lori, if you want to pursue it, go for it, since you run the list... Looks to me like if people have to post "how" to respond to the list, they are less likely TO respond... but Rene has a point as well.. Love, Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:29:47 -0600 (MDT) On 10 Aug 1997, Kate McMurry wrote:
Eeek, don't let Shepherd the Sage hear that, he'll get depressed that he didn't communicate clearly enough. :) If you want to ask, go for it. Also, if you could list what you found inconsistent, I'd be curious. Shepherd had a few of us Scholars look the book over for just such things...
You mean Sages, right? Love, Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:26:53 -0600 (MDT) On 10 Aug 1997, Kate McMurry wrote: > So what is "fully experiencing" emotions as opposed to
"suppressing" or
But Intent is so important. I have seen people do this, and heal greatly, and I have seen people do this and push the unwanted feelings out and away from them. Very tough to learn to accept the feelings no matter what they are.
In Right Use of Will, it's called Gapping, and it's been in place from the very beginning of the Universe, and everyone, even God, has to reclaim everything from the Gap, which is the gap between having a feeling and feeling it. Love, Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:45:14 -0400 Kate McMurry wrote:
Per Kenneth: My "acceptance goal" has allowed me to take a lot of guff from the world that I didn't have to take. I finally caught on that I can chose whose and what guff I take, and how I take that guff. This includes my own guff. I have found that when I remind myself that "I am not my emotions. I am not my body. I am not my mind. Immortal GodSelf I am." all the guff/stuff that I call negative gets put in its righteous place, and my personal power, dignity, and self-respect are allowed to shine again.
Per Kenneth: I am a Scholar/Observation/Acceptance/Idealist. All this ponderous pondering makes us forget that we are the ones who say what's right or wrong in our lives. Even refusing to play the karma game is a choice within the game. You can't get out of the game. It's the only game in town.
Kate, you know what's worse... it's to fall asleep while running off at the keyboarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :>) God Bless You, and Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:32:47 -0400 Sheri Casey wrote:
Dear Sheri, Have you had your overleaves done? Maybe you are really a King in Essence. Then again maybe your higher self or your own entity is the king in your dream. My deepest feeling is that our postings somehow affirmed/reminded you of the great spiritual being that you know yourself and the rest of humans to be. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:57:14 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-10 12:45:27 EDT, you write:
Here's a Sage-Scholar, Intellectual Part of Emotional Center take on the issue (I'll refrain from writing a dissertation and throw out some rambling thoughts): I've been trying for over 20 years to understand "acceptance." Is acceptance merely the concept of >> There are several sides to acceptance: My personal acceptance of a concept: Which is my enter level validation system Or are you speaking of acceptance by a group: Which is a choice of whether not The group accepts you as a part of itself Or are you speaking of acceptance of the individual: To chose a group to become a part of; where by you have then accepted the collective consciousness of the group and the benefits and consequences involved with that association. There are probably more but these three come into mind. Love and Blessings Carolyn Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:46:56 -0500 So many new Scholars et al!!! Re Christopher's comment on meditation - just a quick note from the Buddhist in the bunch: There are two general modes ( this is way oversimplified, but for the time being...) of medi, and one is ABSORPTION ( I suspect channeling is in that category), and the other is, believe it or not, a form of OBSERVATION. Developing the "objective observer" is a great way to go, actually. Vipassana teaches to observe everything in a light and detached (i.e. not clinging or aversive) way - you're not trancing out at all. What happens is that you realize that the REAL you is not the one in the world, but the one observing the you in the world, which "contains" the you in the world. "Is the mind in the brain, or the brain in the MIND?" I heard someone ask once. Gotta run. Aida. Christopher's comment: > Re problems with meditation: I think anyone in Observation will have Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:35:56 -0700 Hi All, First, Seth, thanks for your replies and ideas. I agree with Rene's making the default reply address to the sender rather than the list though, because of all the times I've seen little things like "I agree" then a whole previous posting attached below, which everyone's seen already, sent to the list and it ends up taking a lot of band-width and in this case, web-space as well. (Also I have seen where people have accidentally sent VERY personal e-mail to a list and were very embarrassed....) This may help prevent a little of all that. We should be a little more careful about who we're intending to send our postings to and to edit out non-pertinent pieces of e-mails we are replying to, IMHO. Everyone makes mistakes though, but this may help. BTW: Please tell me you didn't mean what I thought you meant when you said that you "choose not to participate," I was talking about taking on life, certainly you didn't mean that did you? More on my opinions on this further down..... John Rogers--thanks for posting your intro, it's great to see you here!! :) And as to why I don't let go of the anger I have when I see people using Michael teachings for their own self-righteousness and judgementalism??? Precisely because of that part of myself that I see in them, that holds me back and limits me--I see them mirroring a part of myself, that I have not healed fully. (And this leads into the note of emotional healing...mostly mine, excuse the rant) I have a part of myself that is run by my stubbornness and impatience, that has to be RIGHT and is very INTOLLERANT of other people's views. It has created isolation and depression in my life at times, and this happens when I'm not acting out of True Personality. Scholars are known for their being "neutral" about most things but take it from me, we can have our own hard-headed strong opinions about things too. I can be open though, and I seek more of this in my life. Hipocracy is one thing that makes me very angry, and unfairness is another thing. This showed up *a lot* in my childhood, where I had a very hard time growing up. I remeber when I was 12, I asked this boy at school if he ever wondered why we were here (as humans in this world) and he just looked at me like I was insane, scoffed, and said, "No!" That moment really hit it home for me that the other kids were right--I was really weird and there must be something wrong with me. There's where I got that belief! My self-esteem was really low as a teenager, I didn't know why I was so different, but I knew one thing for sure, I didn't want to be like THEM! So I wasn't, and I got ridiculed and hated very much. It hurt really bad. I knew another thing, that I wasn't from this planet, and I would have given just about anything for my "real family" from the stars to land in a spaceship and take me away from here..... "Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life on this planet!" basically said it all! I was heavily in self-dep and martyrdom. At the same time I was too stubborn to let anyone else get the best of me. I still got A's and B's in school, so even though I was very depressed, my parents and teachers didn't really see it. I was crying out in desperation for some kind of connection, anything (except the kinds those mean kids at school were into--I had to rebel against them--so, no sex, no drugs, no traditionally rebellious clothing like punk or anything either.) to ease the pain, but not what THEY wanted (the mean kids who were popular and trendy) ...no way was I going to commit suicide or it would mean they had won, beat me down, and so, that stubbornness did its job--it saved my life, more than once, and I do have it to be thankful for in a way..... I just wanted to be MYSELF, to express who I was without being judged, to be loved for who I was, and if not that, at least mercifully ignored so I could just be! I don't know what it was that called attention to myself, I was pretty plain in appearance, a bit tom-boyish in short hair and blue jeans, never really imposed myself on others. It probably was the fact that I came to accept and even expect to be ridiculed that called it to me. It's taken a long time to turn all this around! There were a lot of things I just rebelled against just for the sake of rebelling, and so, as time went on, I saw this, and eventually "conformed" more to the social standards on many things, as it was just too hard and painful to keep up my front. Rebellion for its own sake is just a form of martyrdom. It had hardened my heart and wasn't working--I had to find some middle ground, so I could relate to other people, if I really wanted to find that *connection* I was looking for. I had to really allow myself to become my humanity to understand myself and others....Then I found "Messages from Michael," and wow, things really started to shift, a beginning..... Finding out I was an Old Soul was such a relief, because now I didn't have to beat myself up anymore for being different! Anyway, when I see other people being mistreated or mistreating others, it
still gets my anger up. Michael's information has helped me in seeing where
they're coming from by the overleaves system and such, and I have seriously
dealt with my own emotional abuse I had done to me, and I am determined that
it's going to STOP here, with me, and that I won't pass my "stuff"
onto others, (especially my son, who is 15 months old now) And I am letting it
go...gradually, as I find things I do unconsciously and how they sabotage my
integrity and intentions. It's when I see my intentions get totally mis-interpreted
and the results turn out completely differently than I intended, that I know
that something was missing along the way between my intent and the result. So
being the scholar that I am I constantly search for what that missing link was!
Usually it's a problem in communication--my words don't get taken the way I
meant them....so we miss--the connection. Oh, that's so
frustrating.....Sometimes, as an old soul, I feel lazy, just want to give
up...but I'm driven. Driven to know, to live, to experience, to grow (in Growth,
of course!) and I like the phrase that Steve Cocconi told me about the motto of
the Goal of Growth)-- Another one of my strong opinions is that the Essence and Personality system gets misused a lot. People quote it sometimes like it's Scripture. I like to think of this system more as GUIDELINES rather than the Truth etched in stone. Each of us has a little of everything.... I think we need to accept all parts of ourselves if we want to move forward, to heal, or whatever it is we really want to be, do, or have in our lives. I hate to see the system being used to make someone feel superior because they think being an "old soul" makes them somehow better.... For me, it's allowed me to release judgement on other people, to allow myself to let go when they just don't "get it," or they just don't care when I think they should, because I can see where they're coming from. I may not like where they're coming from, but I can at least accept it and let it be. Well, usually. :^) I think acceptance means facing every aspect of the self--the things we think of as "good," and the things we think of as "bad," or undesirable. It doesn't mean giving in to addictions and unhealthy patterns that most all of us have to some degree or another, but having enough compassion to embrace what they teach us, and enough 'tough love' to do what we need to in order to change or transcend them. It means setting appropriate boundaries, and loving all parts of ourselves. One exercise we did a couple years ago at one of Steve's classes on communications was all about letting emotions get totally recognized, honored, and communicated, then let them run through us. The principle was that people stuff their emotions so much, that they're "full" all the time with these denied emotions! (Mine, at the time, was anger and rage--I felt I had no safe place to let it out, and let it go--it was so repressed I didn't even consciously know it was there.) The point was to fully let yourself feel and express (verbally, or even screaming) what you were feeling, and have it be safe with your partner to talk, as they helped you "run the juice." The best part to me, was afterwards, when I could just take a deep breath and say, "Thank God, there it goes, off for healing." Then, it just left! Any time you have an emotion--it's a temporary thing, because it's E-motion (energy in motion) and the only thing that makes emotion stop and get stuck is our judgemental minds! Then, once the emotion is fully run, what are you left with? Peace. If it's not peace, it's "juice." Any emotional state is like that. You just get to choose whether it goes through you now, or you can stuff it for later. Funny how we never have to wonder about these things when it comes to "good" emotions! I do believe though, one shouldn't necessarily let their emotional juice take off with just anybody around, because you can hurt other people that way (and that's one thing I saw with the ppl into RUOW that I strongly disagreed with. Does that mean I don't let myself fully feel my emotions? I don't think so--I just choose my environment to have them in as well. So sometimes I keep them for later. This isn't good or bad, it's just what I see as appropriate--my opinion based on, "Treat others as you would like to be treated.") What I'm working on is releasing my judgement about "good" and "bad" as related to emotions. Another thing about RUOW--they say that we are "trapped" here on Earth in these bodies? (That is what I interpreted from your words Seth.) I find that hard to believe! I used to think so, but if we're really to take responsibility for our lives, then we have really got to get that victimization pattern worked out! We are not trapped here in our karma, we chose to be here and live here as humans. We made up the "rules" and we wanted to be here. Thinking we are trapped here is just a form of martyrdom and blame. Tell me if I've misinterpreted this.... I was always told, even by my own inner guidance, that I wasn't going to be able to leave this planet (because I did feel trapped) until I liked it here. To me that means fully accepting I'm already home. I won't even say that "I am not this body," or "I am not these emotions," because it makes me feel that I'm in denial--because, in this life, part of me is this body, part of me is these emotions, part of me is Spirit, and part of me is mind, personality, and ego. I have seen myself for the multidimensional being, the spark of divine God, or the Tao, that I am, and I have seen the fragile, limited, but vastly underestimated physical being that I am as well. Time and space, they say, are illusions, but illusions are part of reality too. We created the Truth and the Maya, the Light and the absence of it, and we came to experience it all, in all ways. Steve Cocconi has a good tape of Michael channeling about our Shadow that I really liked. It was about healing the first chakra, the instinctive center, the reptillian brain, all that we think of as "icky" and that we are not, but is an integral part of us, a primeval survival, sensual, feeling, and sexual part of us that gets denied so much. It's no wonder so many people get colon cancer, prostate cancer, hysterectomies, and all those things in the area of the first chakra, because they're so closed off to the physical beingness that is part of who we are. Our society doesn't recognize it. I hope this will change. (I'm a spiritualist can't you tell? ;-) Well, enough for now, thanks for your attention. Someone yesterday asked me privately why I need an audience to talk about some of these things, and I didn't answer so I will here--I admit, even though I hate it (the truth is always what you most NOT want to hear) a part of me is a drama-queen! Oh how I hate drama! Ha ha ha! And I have a need for expression....I would like to officially re-name the negative pole of Passion Mode to be "drama" instead of "identification." Any takers?? :D On this subject, of needs, Michael channeled some neat stuff called the "nine needs"..... :-) Love,
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