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Present: RH and AH, RC and SC, ST and ET, ES,
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
RH to SC: When you call Soleal, his thoughts are
coming from 20 light years
SC: We don't call him, by the way. The only time
we have a session with him
is when one of us feels the "presence".
THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF TIME AS YOU KNOW IT ON
THE HIGH PLANES. THE PHYSICAL
LAWS GOVERNING YOU ARE IRRELEVANT [there].
We were hoping that we might be able to speak to
SOLEAL IS NOT AVAILABLE PHYSICALLY AT THIS
A question was asked about Fragments (this was
unintelligible on the tape).
THE REASON YOU HAVE ALL COME TOGETHER, UNDER
FAIRLY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES,
IS, AS WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY INFORMED YOU, IS
BECAUSE OF THE STRONG DRIVE OF
THE OLD SOUL TO REUNITE WITH HIS FRAGMENTS.
FALSE PERSONALITY IS AWARE OF
THIS DRIVE, OF COURSE, AND OCCASIONALLY REJECTS
RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE OF THIS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
TWO OF THE ENTITIES OF
WHICH THIS GROUP IS A PART WERE FIRST BORN AT
THE SAME TIME. THE DRIVE THERE
IS STRONGER. E.S. IS A FRAGMENT OF THE ENTITY
WHICH INCLUDES A.H., S.C., AND
ET: Let me ask something that maybe you can
clear up. Does this mean that
they were first born on a higher plane?
SC: No, we were Infant souls together.
ET: Before Fragmentation?
SC: No, after Fragmentation.
RC: Let's ask for clarification.
ET: I imagine that they are talking about the
non-fragmented Entity — the
unified Entity — "were first born at the same
time", and that seems to me
contradictory, because those of us who were born
are only part, and not the
ENTIRE ENTITIES ARE CAST FROM THE TAO. THEY
FRAGMENT INTO PHYSICALLY TRAPPED
SOULS FOR AS LONG AS IS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO
EXPERIENCE ALL OF LIFE THROUGH
THE CYCLES. THIS MEANS THAT WHEN E.T.'S ENTITY
FIRST FRAGMENTED, OTHER
ENTITIES FRAGMENTED ALSO. THE ENTITY WHICH
INCLUDES E.T. FRAGMENTED AT THE
SAME POINT IN HISTORY AS DID THE ENTITY WHICH
INCLUDES S.C. AND A.H.
ES: Do we have any idea as to how many persons
are involved in the
Fragmentation of an Entity?
SC: They say at least one thousand, and then
they reintegrate at different
RC: They also made the statement that not all of
the Fragments have to
experience all of life.
ES: Then they reintegrate into the Entity and
that is the total cycle. Then
where do you go from there?
SC: Where Michael is.
ES: On the transcendental level?
RC: Here again, I think that we are assuming too
ES: The next question that comes to me is, is
this a process of growth and
evolution, and for what purpose, or just
indigenous, or if that is so, why?
TO ENSURE THE CONTINUOUS CREATIVE FORCE IS THE
ONLY PURPOSE WE KNOW. THE
ENTITIES NO LONGER EARTH-BOUND EXPERIENCE
LENGTHY PERIODS ON THE HIGH
PLANES, AND AT THE END, REUNITE WITH THE
PRIMEVAL FORCE THAT IS CREATION.
THUS, THE CREATED BECOMES THE CREATOR, AND THE
CYCLE REPEATS ITSELF AD
INFINITUM. THIS IS INFINITY.
RH: If ET and I are part of the same Entity,
whose perception does the
reunited Entity have?
THE WHOLE BECOMES THE SUM OF THE PARTS.
ET: Do we then lose our individual perceptions?
YOU WILL LOSE YOUR INDIVIDUAL PERCEPTIONS LONG
BEFORE YOU BECOME A MID
ET: We hear so much about twin souls, and I
would like to know about that.
DYADIC UNION OCCASIONALLY OCCURS WHILE THE
PRINCIPALS ARE STILL ON THE
PHYSICAL PLANE. THIS IS EXCEEDINGLY RARE AND
HAPPENS ONLY AMONG FRAGMENTS OF
THE SAME ENTITY. THESE UNIONS ARE ALWAYS
[gender] POLAR, AND IT IS A
DEVASTATING EXPERIENCE. SOULS SO UNITED ARE
TRULY ONE FLESH.
Part of the following was not recorded.
Why is this devastating? What do you mean by
THERE IS COMPLETE PSYCHIC UNION. THERE ARE NO
LONGER ANY INDIVIDUAL
PERCEPTIONS. THERE IS A TOTAL LOSS OF IDENTITY.
ALL OF YOU WILL ESCAPE THIS
FATE IN THIS LIFETIME, FOR YOUR STRONGEST
ATTRACTIONS WITHIN THE GROUP ARE
FOR THOSE OF THE SAME SEX.
ET remarked that he felt that he was probably
already at least one hundred
E.T. IS ESSENTIALLY CORRECT. THERE ARE
APPROXIMATELY TWENTY SEPARATE
FRAGMENTS OF THAT ENTITY EXTANT ON THE PHYSICAL
PLANE. ALL OF YOU ARE
COMPOSITES OF COMPLETED MONADS.
RH: How many Fragments are in my composite?
APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY. ALL OF YOU
NOW HAVE FRAGMENTS THAT ARE
A PART OF THE MID ASTRAL SEQUENCE.
RH: Did I experience this polarity?
RC: I have past lives and so do the other
Fragments. When you come together,
do you remember the other lives of the other
YOU DO EXPERIENCE THE FLASHES FROM ALL OF THE
COMPOSITE FRAGMENTS. THIS IS
WHY S.C. IS SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW.
RC: Is this something like micro-akashic
records? [The "akashic record" is
the middle level of the "mental plane".]
YES, BUT YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT ALL OF THE
FRAGMENTS ARE NOT IN THE PHYSICAL
BODY AT THE SAME TIME. GEORGES GURDJIEFF
GLIMPSED THIS IN PART WHEN HE
PRESENTED HIS THEORY OF RECURRENCE.
ES: I feel that I've been cast into the wind,
without direction, without
YOU ARE FREE TO CHOOSE. THE RUB COMES IN WHERE
FALSE PERSONALITY, WHICH IS
KARMA DRIVEN, MAKES MOST OF THE CHOICES, IN
DIRECT OPPOSITION TO THE DESIRES
OF THE ESSENCE.
The word "ego" was discussed extensively at this
point. Unfortunately, there
is no recording, so this scribe is unable to
capture it in essence. However,
ES did mention that he had been searching for
fifty years, and he wondered
how to get away from ego (False Personality).
THE WORD DOES NOT MATTER SO MUCH AS YOUR
UNDERSTANDING. HOWEVER, "EGO" TO
THE PSYCHIATRIST NORMALLY MEANS "SELF", SO BE
CERTAIN THAT YOU ALL
UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. FOR PURPOSE OF EASE IN
TRANSMISSION, WE HAVE BEEN
USING TERMINOLOGY FAMILIAR TO THE MAJORITY, WITH
SOME VARIATION. FOR
INSTANCE, WE PERCEIVE NO SCHISM BETWEEN "SELF",
"SOUL", AND "ESSENCE". ALL
ARE SPIRITUAL. FALSE PERSONALITY IS ATTACHED TO
ET: How is it practical for me to know about my
Fragments? Should I search
IT IS MORE PRACTICAL NOT TO RESIST THAN TO TRY
TO CONSCIOUSLY SEARCH. FALSE
LEADS ARE POSSIBLE AT YOUR LEVEL. LEARN NOT TO
ANALYZE YOUR INTUITION OUT OF
EXISTENCE; THAT IS A TRAIT OF FALSE PERSONALITY.
The recording resumed at this point.
ES: I see some parallels between the unconscious
and the process of the
soul, although we've been told the relationship
of the ego to the others. I
wonder if I can get some information as to where
the unconscious falls in
the psychological terms we just discussed?
WHEN CARL JUNG DESCRIBED THE COLLECTIVE
CONSCIOUSNESS, HE WAS DESCRIBING HIS
OWN APPREHENSION OF THE COLLECTIVE FRAGMENTS
RESIDING IN HIS BODY. HE WAS
DESCRIBING A DIRECT CONFRONTATION WITH HIS OWN
SOUL. THIS HAS BECOME KNOWN
POPULARLY AS THE SUBCONSCIOUS, SIMPLY THROUGH
MISUNDERSTANDING. THROUGH THE
AGES, THERE HAVE BEEN OLD SOULS MAKING THIS
CONFRONTATION AND ATTEMPTING TO
DESCRIBE IT. HE CAME CLOSER THAN MOST
WESTERNERS. MYSTICISM HAS NEVER BEEN A
COMPELLING FORCE IN WESTERN PHILOSOPHY.
ET: But he called it the collective
"unconscious", which is correct?
WE DISLIKE THE TERM "UNCONSCIOUS" — IT IS
MEANINGLESS. THE SOUL IS
ETERNALLY VIGILANT. THE FALSE PERSONALITY DOES
NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR
RH: Internally I have, and I assume others have
also, a great deal of
pulling and shoving, sometimes like I'm composed
of many different people.
Some are in charge at one time and others are in
charge at other times. Up
until now, I had always assumed that this was
the many "I's" in false
personality [as taught by Gurdjieff]. Is it
this, or is it the many
Fragments, or is it a mixture?
IT IS AN ADMIXTURE OF BOTH.
RH: Is this why, when you see an Infant or Baby
soul, you see simplicity
there? It is just one Fragment? And then with
Old souls, you sense a
complexity, and then in between, you see
mixtures. Is this because the
Fragments are unified all along the line,
beginning with the Infant souls?
THAT IS VALID TO A POINT. NOT MUCH UNITING
OCCURS IN INFANCY.
RC: Would this have any influence on Mature
RH: Yeah, that's what I was saying, because all
along the line you seem to
see more complexity.
RC: Then perhaps the impact is greater at the
level of the Mature soul than
anywhere else. Is that valid?
NOT REALLY. THEIR PERCEPTIONS ARE SOMETIMES
ES: Hangmen, crooks, and thieves: all my past
lives, that's what I'm
RH: Yeah, me too.
BUT YOU MUST REMEMBER, R.H., THOSE LESSONS WERE
RC: Is it possible to go through life without
burning the karma that you had
set out to burn in that life, or is it
inevitable that you burn karma?
IT IS INEVITABLE THAT YOU PLAY OUT THE [karmic]
ROLE YOU CHOSE. IT IS NOT
NECESSARY THAT YOU ALWAYS CHOOSE A DIFFICULT
AH: Does it sometimes take more than one
lifetime to learn the lesson? I
mean, he's asking if you choose a role, it's all
over with, but I'm asking,
might you not have to play it over and over
MANY TIMES YOU HAVE CHOSEN ALMOST IDENTICAL
ROLES IN ORDER TO PLAY OUT A
MONAD. ONLY THE TIME AND LOCATIONS WERE
ES: At what point do we make our choice?
THE CHOICE IS MADE ON THE ASTRAL LEVEL BETWEEN
LIVES. YOUNG SOULS QUITE
OFTEN HAVE VERY LITERAL CONCEPTS OF HEAVEN AND
HELL. THEY MUST EXPERIENCE
THIS, AS THEY CREATE IT OUT OF ASTRAL MATTER.
We've been told that we go to school between
lives. Is this accurate?
"SCHOOL" IS A DECEPTIVE TERM. THERE IS MUCH TIME
FOR REFLECTION, AND MUCH
GUIDANCE. MANY SOULS REMAIN SUSPENDED IN A LIMBO
OF THEIR OWN MANIFESTATION
FOR MANY OF YOUR YEARS. OLD SOULS WELCOME THE
INTERVAL. THERE IS NORMALLY A
VERY SHORT TRANSITION FROM THE PHYSICAL BODY TO
THE LOW ASTRAL PLANES.
SC: Can you tell us about the astral plane and
THE FIRST LEVEL OF THE ASTRAL PLANE IS POPULATED
BY LIVING FRAGMENTS ADEPT
AT ASTRAL TRAVEL, AND THOSE SOULS WHO PENETRATE
THIS PLANE ACCIDENTALLY
THOUGH DRUGS. THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE ASTRAL
PLANE IS INHABITED BY ALL THOSE
BETWEEN [physical] BODIES. THE THIRD LEVEL
ATTRACTS OLD SOULS WHO ARE TRYING
TO BURN FINAL KARMA WITHOUT BEING REBORN. THE
MID ASTRAL BODIES ARE
PARTIALLY REUNITED ENTITIES. YOU HAVE MANIFESTED
A MID ASTRAL ENTITY
PREVIOUSLY [Tomas]. THE THREE HIGHER LEVELS ARE
ACCESS TO THE HIGH PLANES IS THROUGH THESE
LEVELS. EVEN VERY HIGH ADEPTS
SUCH AS SOLEAL HAVE FANTASIES CONCERNING THE
HIGH PLANES. WE HAVE CONFRONTED
HIM ON THE LOW ASTRAL PLANE, AND HAVE BEEN
REQUIRED TO DESCEND A STAIRCASE
WHICH DOES NOT EXIST EXCEPT IN HIS MIND.
What is meant by the high planes?
BY "HIGH PLANES" WE REFER TO THE CAUSAL AND
RH: I would like to know about PS's Entity, and
P.S.'S ENTITY IS STILL WIDELY FRAGMENTED, AS IS
H.B.'S. THEY WILL NOT BEGIN
TO SEARCH FROM ESSENCE YET.
AH: Does the path become harder as your soul
evolves and becomes older?
DIFFICULTY IS RELATIVE TO THE PERCEIVER. NOT
STRICTLY SPEAKING, A.H. — IT
SHOULD BECOME EASIER. IT IS SIMPLY THAT MORE OF
THE PIECES FIT INTO THE
PUZZLE, AND YOU ARE FACED WITH AN INCREASINGLY
ALARMING VOLUME OF DATA UNTIL
YOU ALLOW YOURSELF TO PERCEIVE THE SYNTHESIS.
At this point the recording ceased, so the
remaining questions may be
inaccurate and attributed to the wrong seeker.
RC: Did Christ know about atomic theory when He
was in the physical body?
NOT AS AN OLD SOUL, BUT WHEN THE HIGH MENTAL
BODY MANIFESTED, IT BROUGHT THE
SUM OF THE LOGOS TO BEAR.
There was discussion about the Transcendental
and Infinite souls and their
place on the reincarnational cycle; about the
possibility of the
Transcendental soul manifesting through RB, etc.
THAT IS OVERSIMPLIFICATION. THE TRANSCENDENTAL
SOUL IS ONLY SUCH WHEN IT IS
MANIFEST ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE, AS IS THE
INFINITE SOUL. THE HIGH CAUSAL
BODY IS CAPABLE OF DISPLACING MANY SOULS AT
ONCE. THIS WILL OCCUR WITHIN THE
NEXT DECADE. MANY MUST SIT AT THE FEET OF LIVING
MASTERS. YOU ARE NOW LIVING
IN A LARGE, COMPLEX SOCIETY. A JEWISH CARPENTER
WOULD HARDLY BE APROPOS.
RC: Will He be a Russian?
THE HIGH MENTAL BODY WILL MANIFEST. LOOK AROUND
YOU; DO YOU NOT THINK THAT
THIS IS NECESSARY? THERE IS SOCIAL AND POLITICAL
[mutually destructive] AND INTERRACIAL WARS,
RELIGIOUS SCHISM — ALL EXISTING
SIMULTANEOUSLY IN A POWDER KEG OF NUCLEAR POWER.
THE MANIFESTATION WILL BE A
VERY DIFFERENT TYPE. THE PROBLEMS ARE NOT SO
DIFFERENT AS THEY ARE MORE
We discussed the present Israel-Syria conflict,
and the possibility of the
destruction of ancient shrines. ET asked for a
comment on that conflict.
WHAT WAS OCCURRING ABOUT TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO
IN SYRIA-PALESTINE? WE HAVE
TOLD YOU THAT YOU ARE ON A PARALLEL TIME FRAME.
THESE VERY ANCIENT ENEMIES
HAVE BETTER INSTRUMENTS OF WAR NOW THAN THEN.
THE BOOK-BURNING THREAT IS
REAL. THE ROLE HAS NOT BEEN CHOSEN, BUT IT WAS
IN THE PAST.
We had discussed the burning of the library at
Alexandria by Justinian, and
RC voiced the fear that perhaps we would do a
repeat of this, but this time
out of shame, so that future generations would
not know how irresponsible we
were. Then he asked Michael if the books were
burned at Alexandria out of
MISGUIDED ZEAL. HE REGARDED SCIENCE AS EVIL.
RC then asked for a statement on war, wondering
why it was necessary, and
why it was imposed on us.
THE HIGH BODIED IMPOSE NOTHING. THE CYCLES
IMPOSE THEIR OWN KARMA. THE
REASONS FOR THIS BECOME CRYSTAL CLEAR WHEN ONE
STUDIES THE PERCEPTIONS OF
THE WORLD AND SELF THROUGH THE CYCLES. MANY
NATIONS ARE NOW HEAVILY
POPULATED WITH EARLY CYCLE YOUNG SOULS. YOUR OWN
IS THE PRIME EXAMPLE. OTHER
NATIONS ARE HEAVILY POPULATED BY MATURE SOULS.
THESE ARE THE NATIONS WHO
CHOSE NEUTRALITY IN WORLD WAR TWO. OLD SOUL
NATIONS ARE ACTIVELY PACIFIC,
AND SUBMIT TO DOMINATION RATHER THAN FIGHT.
RC: Could we stop all wars?
YOU CANNOT DO IT. THERE WOULD BE MINIMUM
COOPERATION AND YOU WOULD JUST
BECOME A NEEDLESS MARTYR.
ES: We all have negativity and there is all this
evil. What do we do with
it? How do we handle it?
EVIL PER SE EXISTS ONLY IN THE MINDS OF THOSE
PERCEIVING AN ACTION. IF YOU
HAPPEN TO BE A YOUNG SOUL, YOUR DESIRE WILL BE
TO CHANGE THAT EVIL TO GOOD,
"TO RIGHT THE UNRIGHTABLE WRONG". YOU WILL NOT
HESITATE TO WIPE OUT THE
LIVES THAT STAND IN YOUR WAY. AFTER ALL, ARE
THEY NOT EVIL? MATURE SOULS
OFTEN PERCEIVE EVIL IN THEMSELVES, AND SEEK TO
EXORCISE THIS. YOUNG SOULS
PERCEIVE THE DIFFERENCES IN PEOPLE OFTEN AS
EVIL. THE OLD SOUL ORDINARILY
DOES NOT PERCEIVE EVIL AS SUCH. HE PERCEIVES THE
CAUSE AND DOES NOT SEEK TO
ERADICATE THE AGENT. THIS IS WHAT IS MEANT
LOOSELY BY "ACCEPTANCE". ON A
HIGHER LEVEL THIS ACCEPTANCE BECOMES AGAPE. YOUR
NEGATIVITY CAN BE DISSOLVED
AS SOON AS YOU REALIZE HOW FUTILE IT IS. SOULS
ENTHRALLED IN [the] GLAMOUR
OF THE PHYSICAL PLANE DO SENSELESS THINGS,
GRANTED, BUT REALIZE THIS, E.S,
THE SOUL IS ETERNAL; THESE ACTS ARE TEMPORAL.
The session was terminated by mutual consent at
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