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June 16, 1974

Oakland

Present: JH and JH, ET, SC and RC, CS, AH and RH, SM and GM.

JH asked a question regarding his apprehension at changing jobs (going into business for himself).

IT IS PRIMARILY A FEAR OF FAILURE, WHICH IS NOT AT ALL COMPLEX, AND USUALLY ACCOMPANIES A MOVE OF THIS TYPE. WE WOULD BE ASTONISHED IF YOU DID NOT MANIFEST SOME OF THIS. A COMPLETELY TRANQUIL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF FAILURE REQUIRES BALANCE.

JH asked about any suggestions to help him make up his mind, and any suggestion of how to make the change.

ONE WAY TO OBJECTIVELY COMPARE THE ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE TO KEEP A FRUSTRATION INDEX FOR SEVERAL WEEKS WHILE PURSUING BOTH, THEN COMPARE LISTS. THEY NEED NOT BE WRITTEN, BUT THAT WOULD BE HANDIER. THE ONLY WAY WE KNOW OF TO BEGIN A VENTURE SUCH AS THIS IS TO SIMPLY PLUNGE IN AND WORK. THE WAY MAY BE DIFFICULT AT FIRST, BUT MOST WORTHWHILE VENTURES ARE, AND REQUIRE CONSIDERABLE RESTRUCTURING OF BOTH ATTITUDES AND LIFE STYLES. YOU MAY HAVE TO ADJUST TO A HIGHLY IRREGULAR SCHEDULE IN THE BEGINNING, AND THIS MAY PASS THE RESPONSIBILITY ONTO THE LADY [your wife] J.H. TO DO SOME RESTRUCTURING OF HER OWN. TIME-WISE, THE HOURS SPENT MAY FAR EXCEED THOSE NOW SPENT, BUT IF THE WORK IS TRULY IN ESSENCE THE EXPENDITURE IS A PLEASURE.

JH: But the work isn’t in his essence. Comment, please.

THE WAY THAT THIS MAN APPROACHES THESE TASKS IS VERY MUCH IN ESSENCE FOR HIM. ALSO THE NEED TO PURSUE WHATEVER HE CHOOSES IN A SOLITARY FASHION IS VERY STRONG IN THIS MAN. HE BRISTLES WHEN OTHERS INTERFERE.

JH: How would this mean restructuring my life?

THERE MAY BE IN THE BEGINNING MORE HOURS ALONE THAN NOW, AND THIS WOULD BE TIME TO PURSUE THE PATHS IN YOUR OWN WAY; ALSO, TIME TO STRUCTURE THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHERS ON THE SAME PATH.

JH: Do you have a comment regarding benefits from the other job I would have to continue on my own?

IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO CONTINUE TO SEEK THE HELP OF SUCH INDIVIDUALS, THEN, YES, YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE PROVISIONS FOR PAYING THEM. YOU COULD DO THIS ON YOUR OWN, BUT IT WOULD OF COURSE REQUIRE ENORMOUS SELF CONTROL TO SET ASIDE SUFFICIENT FUNDS. BUT IF YOU CHOSE THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE, THEN THE FUNDS WOULD BE THERE FOR AN EMERGENCY. AFTER ALL, HEALTH IS NOT THE ONLY URGENT SITUATION.

JH: Would Michael please clarify this for me? Are they saying I should or should not make the change?

IT WOULD BE MORE CONDUCIVE, YES. OF COURSE WHEN YOU ARE MAKING THE MAJOR DECISIONS IN ANY SITUATION, YOUR OWN CREATIVITY, WHATEVER FORM IT MAY TAKE, HAS MUCH MORE OF A CHANCE TO BLOOM. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT WILL, JUST THAT IT STANDS A BETTER CHANCE.

JH: What about the fact that there would be less money?

TRUE.

SM: There was a discussion about the akashic plane being where records are kept. Someone wondered about the scripture “Book of Life” and the connection between the two.

THE AKASHIC PLANE IS A LIVING PHOTOGRAPHIC RECORD OF ALL THAT EVER WAS AND IS, TO A MILLISECOND AGO — EVEN LESS. YES, THIS IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. IT IS CONTIGUOUS TO BOTH THE CAUSAL AND ASTRAL PLANES.

SM: Is the “silver cord” real [that connects the astral body to the physical body]?

ONLY IN THAT IT CAN BE CREATED BY TRAVELERS WHO NEED THE ADDED REASSURANCE OF A WAY BACK. USUALLY THIS TERM IS EMPLOYED TO DESCRIBE OVERLY CLOSE DEPENDENCY RELATIONSHIPS; FOR INSTANCE, MOTHERS AND THEIR ELDERLY SONS.

There was a discussion about the silver chalice, King Arthur, and Merlin as being Joseph of Arimathea reincarnated. Arthur Ford describes the astral plane as a place the Roman Catholic church called “purgatory”. Is this valid?

ONE CAN CONSTRUCT FOR HIMSELF DANTE’S INFERNO IF HE WISHES, COMPLETE TO THE ALL, EVEN CIRCLES AND COMPLETE AS FAR AS DRAMATIS PERSONAE; OR, AS WE HAVE SAID BEFORE, THE “NOTHINGNESS” OF THE NIHILISTS.

CS: I am concerned that wrong information will be received from Michael.

WE THINK THAT THERE IS ALSO AN ELEMENT OF GULLIBILITY OPERATING HERE TOO. THIS ACCOUNTS FOR YOUR OWN DOUBTS. THIS THEFT WAS NOT DONE BY A STRANGER. NO STRANGER COULD HAVE ENGINEERED IT IN THAT FASHION. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR MORE DISARRAY THAN THERE WAS HAD THE THIEF HAD TO SEARCH. WE TOLD YOU WHAT WE KNEW OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN THIS SITUATION. WE HAVE NO FURTHER EVIDENCE TO CAUSE US TO CHANGE OUR STATEMENT.

Why does the information sometimes differ?

S.C. HAS NO EMOTIONAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE SITUATION. IT IS EASIER FOR HER TO RECEIVE INCRIMINATING INFORMATION CONCERNING SOMEONE SHE DOES NOT KNOW.

JH: Can I recover my stolen tools?

YES.

RH: I want to know about ”chakras”.

THE SIGNIFICANCE PROBABLY LIES IN THE FACT THAT SO MANY HAVE BECOME AWARE OF THIS AT ALL, SOME NOT EVEN ON THE PATH, OR FOLLOWING STRANGE PSEUDO-PATHS. THESE “CHAKRAS” OF COURSE CORRESPOND TO THE MEASURABLE ENERGY FLOW FROM THE INDIVIDUAL CENTERS. IN OTHER WORDS, THE LOWEST CHAKRA CORRESPONDS TO THE OUTPUT OF THE INSTINCTIVE CENTER.

RC: Can the chakras be perceived through the “third eye”?

THEY ARE NORMALLY PERCEIVED THROUGH THE EMOTIONAL CENTER OR GUT CHAKRA.

Do the Centers and chakras correspond?

YES, THEY DO. THIS IS WHAT THE YOGIS PERCEIVE WHEN THEY EXPOUND ON THIS. IN ONE ABLE TO VISUALIZE [see] THE AURAS THIS BECOMES EASY, FOR THERE IS A TRANSITORY “PUFF” OF COLOR ACCOMPANYING SIGNIFICANT OUTPUTS, SUCH AS OCCURS IN THE DIGESTION OF THE MAJOR MEAL OF THE DAY OR IN DEEP MEDITATION. THE GUT CHAKRA IS EMOTIONAL CENTER, INTELLECTUAL CENTER MANIFESTS ITSELF AT CHEST LEVEL, AND SO FORTH. THE SEXUAL CENTER CAN BE MEASURED AT THE LEVEL OF THE THYROID; THE HIGHER EMOTIONAL CENTER AT THE LEVEL OF THE PINEAL BODY; THE HIGHER INTELLECTUAL CENTER AT THE LEVEL OF THE ANTERIOR PITUITARY. PROCREATION IS HANDLED BY THE MOVING CENTER IN SLEEPING ANIMALS.

Ram Dass says the spirit body has holes or chakras connecting to the physical body. He says that normally people’s holes are “plugged up” — the energy is there but can’t flow. Is this true? (Michael has stated that sexual energy is the only “mobile” or available energy.)

THIS [Sexual (physical excitation) Center] IS THE FIRST OF THE CENTERS NOT SOLELY GOVERNED BY MAYA AND CONSEQUENTLY MOBILE. THE FIXED AMOUNT OF ENERGY IS FIXED BY THE ORGANISM, NOT BY COSMIC SHORTAGES. WE CAN GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THE FIXING. IT WORKS WELL. THE BODY HAS A CHORE TO DO THAT IT DISLIKES. IT DWELLS ON THE UNDESIRABILITY OF THE PROPOSED ACTION UNTIL IT RENDERS THE MOVING CENTER INACTIVE AND UNABLE TO PERFORM ITS TASK. NORMALLY ABLE TO PERFORM SUCH ACTION, THE BODY IS SIMPLY TOO EXHAUSTED TO MOVE, YET TWENTY MINUTES LATER SOME HAPPY DIVERSION IS OFFERED. SUDDENLY THE BODY UNDERGOES A MIRACULOUS RECOVERY AND ACTUALLY EXPENDS FAR MORE MOVING ENERGY IN THE PLEASURE ACTIVITY, FOR INSTANCE, TENNIS, THAN IT WOULD HAVE IN THE WORK ACTIVITY, FOR INSTANCE, SHOPPING FOR GROCERIES.

ET: Is this energy measurable?

IT IS MEASURABLE ELECTRONICALLY, YES. THERE IS NOW A PHOTOGRAPHIC TECHNIQUE THAT CAN BE USED TO VISUALLY RECORD THE COLOR CHANGES. (Kirlian photography)

RH: Is there anything useful about this for us to know?

WELL OF COURSE YOU CAN USE THEM AS A FAIRLY HANDY YARDSTICK BY WHICH TO MEASURE YOUR PROGRESS TOWARD BALANCE [of Centers]. YOU CAN FEEL THE ENERGY BEING EXPENDED, AND AFTER AWHILE LOCATE ITS POINT OF EXIT AND THEN MORE ACCURATELY PINPOINT THE CENTER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OUTPUT. IF IT IS NOT THE PROPER CENTER TO HANDLE THE PARTICULAR ACTION THEN YOU KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LEAK.

[Question missing from transcript.]

THAT IS VALID, AND THE MOST COMMON MANIFESTATION OF ENORMOUS OUTPUTS OF ENERGY IN THESE INDIVIDUALS (intellectual) IS TACHYCARDIA [rapid heartbeat], AT LEAST, THAT IS WHAT THEY NOTICE THE MOST. S.C., FOR INSTANCE, NOTICES ICY PALMS AND SHAKY KNEES UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.

Is it that the trapped part increases in energy while the weakened part decreases in energy?

[That is] VALID, EXCEPT FOR THE INSTINCTIVE CENTER, WHICH MALFUNCTIONS ONLY DURING ORGANIC ILLNESS.

RH: What about my chakras?

WHEN YOU ARE COGITATING AS NOW THERE IS A BRIGHTENING OF YOUR AURA AROUND THE CHEST, BUT YOU ARE NOT SUFFICIENTLY AROUSED BY THIS TO CREATE THE RACING HEART.

RH: What about my other chakras?

THERE IS NOW A BRIGHTENING OF THE AURA ALSO IN THE REGION OF THE INSTINCTIVE CENTER AS IT DIGESTS YOUR DINNER. THIS WILL ONLY LAST WHILE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT WORK IS BEING DONE, NOT WHILE THE CONTENTS ARE BEING DEHYDRATED [in the large intestine]. THIS REQUIRES LITTLE EXPENDITURE. THE MOVING CENTER IS RELATIVELY QUIET.

RH: It the Kundalini energy source ”sleeping?”

NOT SO MUCH SLEEPING AS SIMPLY STORED. THE LIBERATION OF HIGHER ENERGIES IS JUST THAT — A FREEING OF THE STORES. THIS CAN BE BROUGHT ABOUT IN MANY OF THE WAYS WE HAVE SUGGESTED TO YOU. IT CANNOT BE BROUGHT ABOUT BY ANY TRANSFER OF MAGICAL ENERGIES FROM ONE SOUL TO ANOTHER. EVEN IF WE COULD TRANSFER ENERGY TO YOU, YOU MIGHT CHOOSE NOT TO UTILIZE THIS. THE UTILIZATION OF HIGHER ENERGIES MUST COME FROM YOU, AND WE CAN SAY THAT YOU, R.H., HAVE AS MUCH HELD IN ABEYANCE AS ANYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM.

JH: Is it true that unless there is balance [in the lower Centers] we can’t reach higher Centers? Am I getting in touch with my Moving Center?

THE DESIRE IS CERTAINLY THERE, AND SOMETIMES YOU ARE ABLE TO JUST MOVE WITHOUT RATIONALIZING IT AWAY AS BEING “GOOD FOR ME”. WHEN YOU REACH THE POINT WHERE YOU NO LONGER DO THIS RATIONALIZATION YOU WILL BE UTILIZING THE MOVING CENTER EXCLUSIVELY FOR THESE MOVING ACTIVITIES.

AH: Give an example of what happens in the Emotionally Centered person.

THE EMOTIONALLY CENTERED INDIVIDUALS OFTEN COMPLAIN OF “BUTTERFLIES” IN THE STOMACH IN TIMES OF STRESS OR EXCITEMENT. MANY TIMES INTESTINAL CRAMPS FOLLOW EXTREME STRESS; MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO DIARRHEA AND CONSTIPATION ALSO. INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED SOULS OFTEN COUGH IN MOMENTS OF STRESS, CLEAR THE THROAT, ETC.

AH asked about her Centers.

THE EMOTIONAL PART OF INTELLECTUAL CENTER IS WHERE YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME. MOVING CENTERED SOULS TAKE IT BUT ON THE INTEGUMENT ITCHING, BURNING, BLUSHING, SWEATING, SHAKINESS IN THE LIMBS, ETC. WHEN THESE HAPPEN, [sic]

When these happen is the Center doing the wrong work?

YES.

RH: Can chakras be likened to Leyden jars [which accumulate an electrical charge and then discharge their static electricity]? Would that be a proper analogy?

VERY MUCH SO; YOU COULD EVEN SAY OVERWHELMINGLY SO. THE ENERGY LEAK VIRTUALLY PARALYZES ANY OTHER CENTERS. [Some Centers] ATTEMPT TO INTERVENE. FOR INSTANCE, THE INTELLECTUAL CENTERS ATTEMPT TO PREVENT CRIMES OF “PASSION”. YES, IT DOES [prevent crimes], AND MANY WEIRD SYMPTOMS MANIFEST SUCH AS IMPOTENCY, PREMATURE EJACULATION, VAGINITIS WITHOUT A CAUSATIVE ORGANISM, ETC. NORMALLY THOUGH, E.T., IT IS THE MOVING CENTER THAT DIGS THE SEX ACT AND EMOTIONAL CENTER SAYS IT IS BAD. INTELLECTUAL CENTER IS FAIRLY ALOOF ABOUT SEX.

RH: I have been reading Ram Dass, John Lilly, etc., concerning LSD. Comments?

IT IS A WAY, YES. WE WOULD DISCOUNT ANY RISKS INVOLVED IN A SINGLE EXPERIENCE WHEN WEIGHED AGAINST THE POSSIBLE GAIN. MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE TRIP IS WELL MAPPED AND YOU HAVE A TRAVELING COMPANION UNTIL YOU MEET WITH US.

Is John Lilly correct about LSD unprogramming the personality?

IT CAN IF YOU TRANSFER THE KNOWLEDGE GAINED [during the trip] TO THE WAKING STATE. YES, IT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU ARE IMMEDIATELY BOMBARDED WITH MAYA [in the waking state].

RC: Are my insights about Isaac Asimov correct (human brain) etc.

ESSENTIALLY YOUR INSIGHTS ARE VALID YES, AND YES, ISAAC IS A LIAR. OF COURSE HE DOES NOT KNOW THE TRUTH, BUT R.C. IS RECEIVING SOME HELP WITH HIS INSIGHTS.

RC: Why are my dreams so mundane?

NO [they aren’t], BUT YOU ARE REMEMBERING THE MUNDANE ONES. THEY ARE MUCH SAFER.

RC: Why do I feel so uncomfortable in San Francisco observing people?

SAN FRANCISCO IS A CITY OF YOUNG SOULS, MANY WARRIORS AND MANY SLAVES.

CS: I dreamed I was talking to my sons? Was this done astrally?

A CONTACT BETWEEN ASTRAL VEHICLES, YES, WITH THE OLDER CHILD.

JH: Do we choose Centers before birth? Are my children Moving Centered?

THEY ARE MOVING CENTERED, BUT THEY ARE NOT TRAPPED YET. THEY NOW USE ALL OF THE MOVING CENTER. YOU DO CHOOSE YOUR CENTER BUT THE ENTRAPMENT IN A SPECIFIC PART HAPPENS LATER. NO, BUT WE THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANSWER AGAIN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND.

RH: Energy effort spent on unconsequential things — [sic]

THEY ARE OF NO CONSEQUENCE TO THE PERSONALITY. NO, YOU ARE RIGHT AND IF YOU SPEND THE WHOLE LIFE IN PERSONALITY THEN YOU WILL SPEND IT DOING THINGS THAT IT CONSIDERS IMPORTANT. ONLY IF YOU MEET WITH A TEACHING WILL YOU EVER BEGIN TO REALIZE THAT THESE MUNDANE TASKS ARE OF NO CONSEQUENCE. ONLY THEN CAN YOU BEGIN TO WORK ON THOSE ARCANE TASKS WHICH ARE OF MUCH CONSEQUENCE.

RH described an encounter with a man in Berkeley several years ago.

THESE ENCOUNTERS CAN ONLY COME ABOUT WITH TWO WHO ARE ON THE PATH. THE MAN IN THE ENCOUNTER YOU DESCRIBE WAS MORE THAN THAT THOUGH — HE WAS A “BROTHER”.

Addendum: [Implying perhaps a continuing of the session by the core group following the main meeting.]

AH: I would like to ask the meaning of a dream I had having to do with sexual intercourse, with someone I do not wish to have intercourse with.

THERE IS SOME TRANSFERENCE OF EROTICISM, MANY TIMES, OVER TO SAFE SOURCES. IN OTHER WORDS, TO DREAM OF SEX WITH AN UNDESIRABLE OR UNAVAILABLE SEXUAL PARTNER IS NOT AS SCARY AS DREAMING OF SEX WITH A MUCH DESIRED PARTNER, OFTEN ONE YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO ADMIT THAT YOU DESIRE. THEREFORE, THE DESIRE OR THE EROTICISM IS TRANSFERRED OVER TO A LESS THREATENING IMAGE. OFTEN THE SPECIFIC ACT ITSELF IS ALSO TRANSFERRED. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU STRONGLY DESIRE TO PERFORM FELLATIO, YOU MAY DREAM OF STRAIGHT “MISSIONARY SEX”.

AH: This does not seem to fit an explanation of the dream I had. Could you comment further?

NO, BUT WE THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANSWER AGAIN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND.

JH: Could I have a comment about my arrogant attachment to the motherhood role?

THE “MOTHERHOOD ROLE” IS WHOLLY IN FALSE PERSONALITY. YES, YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO BE MORE REASONABLE ABOUT THIS, AND THIS IS NOT EASY IN YOUR CULTURE BECAUSE, AS THE MAN WERNER [Erhard] SAYS, YOU DO NOT EXPERIENCE YOUR EXPERIENCES. THEREFORE, IT IS ALMOST IRRESISTIBLE TO ATTEMPT TO LIVE AGAIN THROUGH YOUR CHILDREN, AND THIS IS UNFAIR TO BOTH YOU AND THE CHILD. ALSO, THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF MARTYRDOM IN THE MOTHERHOOD ROLE OF THE CULTURE, WHICH IS UNNECESSARY. IT IS NOT AT ALL GOOD TO PUT OFF SELF-GROWTH UNTIL THE CHILDREN ARE GROWN. THEY WILL NOT APPRECIATE YOU ONE QUANTA MORE FOR YOUR EFFORTS.

RH: I would give up everything to have as spiritual experience.

RC: I would like a comment on my intuitions lately, and the “fact” that my aura indicates healing. Did I agree to this on the astral plane?

IT IS NOT THAT YOU AGREED TO DO THIS ON THE ASTRAL PLANE; IT IS MORE THAT THE COMBINATION OF OVERLEAVES YOU CHOSE GIVEN YOUR AFFINITY FOR THIS. BY ALL MEANS, TRY IT.

RC: My second question is concerning what happens on my long drive to Napa. I was told to meditate for five minutes and clear my mind before starting to drive. I am aware of the aura of trees and I feel emotional.

YOU ARE PERCEIVING THEM WITH THE EMOTIONAL CENTER, WHICH IS A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR YOU. TEARS ARE ALWAYS THE OUTWARD MANIFESTATION OF THE EMOTIONAL CENTER.

ET: Is ST an adept now?

THIS LADY COULD CERTAINLY BECOME AN ADEPT, BUT LACKS COMMAND OF HER EMOTIONS. THIS IMBALANCE PREVENTS HER.

ET: Where C and Dad present when ST said they were?

THERE HAS BEEN INCREASING ABILITY ON THE LADY'S PART TO CONTROL THE ASTRAL BODY. THE ASTRAL VEHICLE OF E.T. IS UNCONTROLLED, AND MANY TIMES THE LADY SEEKS THIS AND THERE IS ONLY THE MEMORY OF A DREAM FOR HIM WHILE SHE REMEMBERS QUITE VIVIDLY.

ET: What about C and Dad? Do they control their astral body?

THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THEM. THE LADY SEEKS THIS CONTACT AND CONTROLS IT.

ET: Please comment on S's impressions of ST's picture.

THE TEMPTATION IS VERY GREAT FOR THIS OLD PRIEST TO RETREAT TO THE MONASTIC VEILINGS. YES, THIS IS A VALID ALTERNATIVE. THE PERSONALITY HAS FOUND THE SECULAR LIFE PAINFUL AND NOT TO ITS LIKING AND LONGS FOR THE QUIET OF THE CLOISTER.

ET: Are you talking about ST?

WE SPEAK OF THE LADY S.T. BUT IT IS ALSO TRUE OF S. AS WELL. THE LACK OF ACHIEVEMENT IN THE SECULAR WORLD WEIGHS HEAVILY ON HER NOW AND WILL UNTIL THE END OF HER DAYS IF SHE RETREATS. SHE HAS ACHIEVED ACADEMICALLY AND INTELLECTUALLY IN THE PAST SO THIS IS NOT NEW TO HER. THIS ACHIEVEMENT IS NOT WHAT SHE SEEKS. SHE HAS BEEN A JESUIT AND A TEACHER WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CHURCH AND KNOWS THAT THAT SUCCESS IS HERS FOR THE ASKING. WHAT SHE CANNOT ACHIEVE NOW CAUSES HER THE PAIN. SHE PERHAPS WILL NOT BE WILLING TO LOOK AT HER OWN CAUSE AND EFFECT AND WILL CONTINUE TO REGARD HER UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS AS BETRAYAL.

ET: Did I kill the countess and chiliara? (ST and S in 200 AD)

THIS IS A VALID MEMORY.

ET: What karmic ties still exist with ST and S?

THE ALTERNATIVE EXISTS THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE NOT TO FULFILL THE LADY'S EXPECTATIONS OF FIDELITY, AND VIOLENCE WILL BE THE LOGICAL RESULT. THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE, SINCE BOTH OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE EXTENT OF THE RIBBON. AT THIS POINT THE ALTERNATIVE OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT EXISTS ALSO. THIS COULD ALSO MEAN THAT YOU NOW GO YOUR SEPARATE WAYS AND PURSUE DIFFERENT PATHS.

ET: What area has ST not achieved?

THE SEXUAL REALM IS THE ONLY ONE THAT STANDS IN THE WAY. ACHIEVEMENT IS ONLY THAT WHICH ONE WISHES TO RECOGNIZE AS SUCH.

ET: At times I have felt that ST was suppressing her sexuality.

WE SEE LITTLE FANTASY OF THIS NATURE IN THIS LADY.

ET: I have read Uri Geler's book. He feels outside forces are responsible for the effects. Could this happen to ST or I?

THE MID CAUSAL SOURCES WORKING WITH THE LADY S.T. HAVE ENDEAVORED TO POINT OUT TO HER SEVERAL INCONSISTENCIES IN HER BEHAVIOR, AND HENCE THE CONCLUSIONS. STILL SHE WAS GIVEN THE CHOICE. THE TROUBLE WITH THE MAN YURI IS THAT HE STILL DOES NOT ALWAYS HEAR THE WORDS AND TAKES ACTION AT AN EMOTIONAL, SUBLIMINAL LEVEL. THE TROUBLE WITH YOU IS THAT YOU TOO ARE GAINING STRENGTH AND DO NOT YET KNOW HOW TO USE IT. YOU TOO CAN NOW TRANSPORT IF YOU WISH.

ET: Uri states outside intelligences provide the power.

NO OUTSIDE POWER IS GIVING HIM ANYTHING. HE HAS IT WITHIN HIMSELF.

ET: Why such a complex theoretical system?

IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR ASTRAL BEINGS AND ADEPTS FROM OTHER WORLDS TO USE WHATEVER METHOD IT HAS AT HAND TO EFFECT COMMUNICATIONS.

ET: How can we dematerialize objects?

THROUGH CONSCIOUS EFFORT: CONCENTRATION. THIS IS WHAT THE MAN YURI NEEDS TO LEARN. MAKING AN OBJECT GO AWAY IS NOT DIFFICULT; KNOW WHERE IT WENT AND BRINGING IT BACK IS.

ET: I lose so many objects. If it is possible to send them, where do they go?

WHEREVER YOU WISH THEM TO GO. THE CENTER OF THE SUN IS A FREQUENT CHOICE.

ET: I am not aware of doing this. Can it be unconscious?

YOU DO MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO MAKE THEM DISAPPEAR, BUT IT IS A FLEETING ONE AND OFTEN ONE-ENDED [so they don't come back].

ET: I don't feel any new strength.

YOUR PERSONALITY IS LOSING GROUND. THE ESSENCE IS STRONGER NOW. YOU WILL NOT FEEL THIS AS PHYSICAL VITALITY; THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPIRITUAL GROWTH.

ET: Do I still have karmic ribbons with ST?

THERE HAS NOT BEEN SATISFACTION AS YET, BUT AS WE SAID EARLIER, THIS CAN BE DEALT WITH IN AN UNEMOTIONAL FASHION NOW THAT YOU ARE BOTH AWARE OF THE DEBT.

ET: Do I hate S?

S. HAS STOOD BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR GOAL IN LIFE SEVERAL TIMES. YES, THERE IS RESENTMENT THERE BUT HATRED IS A BIT TOO STRONG. ONCE SHE WAS AN ABBOTT. YOU WISHED TO RENOUNCE YOUR VOWS AND WERE NOT PERMITTED.

ET: Can I acknowledge with S and end these ribbons.

IF SHE CAN LOOK AT THIS LIFE[time] AND AGREE, YES.

ET: More information about the Abbott please.

YES. THIS WAS IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE NEAR THE RUINS OF A PREVIOUS LIFE. YOU WERE A BENEDICTINE MONK. SHE WAS ABBOTT. YOU DESIRED TO LEAVE THE MONASTERY TO MARRY A TOWNSPERSON: THE YOUNG WOMAN WAS PREGNANT. THIS WAS NOT CONSIDERED [by the Abbott] TO BE SUFFICIENT REASON. SHE [the pregnant girl] KILLED HERSELF. YOU FLED AND PETITIONED POPE INNOCENT FOR RELEASE, BUT YOU DIED BEFORE HE COULD ANSWER THE PLEA.

ET: What century?

THE THIRTEENTH CENTURY.

ET: When I communicate with my Fragments, how will I perceive them?

THE INFORMATION WILL AT FIRST APPEAR TO BE DREAMING. THEN YOU MAY WISH TO TRANSFER THIS OVER TO THE WAKING STATE AND JUST BE AWARE OF THE LARGER PART OF YOURSELF, WHICH IS THE ESSENCE OF THE OLD SOUL'S PERCEPTION.

ET: Intuitive thoughts?

MORE THAN THAT. EVEN AS LOUD AS A VOICE SOUND THAT ONLY YOU CAN HEAR.

ET: How do I recognize it?

AN INTUITIVE FEELING OF AFFINITY OF AN EXTENSION OF SELF. IT WILL BE FAR MORE IN TUNE WITH YOUR INNERMOST THOUGHTS THAN EVEN WE ARE AT TIMES.

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