Are
there any comments about the group becoming
more organized?
WE
AGREE THAT THERE IS A REAL NEED NOW FOR
UNIFICATION. THIS TYPE OF
ARRANGEMENT ALWAYS MOVES SLOWLY, THEN
SUDDENLY TAKES A FORWARD LEAP,
MOVING RAPIDLY. YOU NEED TO RECRUIT SOME OF
YOUR MORE DYNAMIC MEMBERS
TO WORK ON THIS. THEY ARE BETTER ABLE TO
SELL THE GROUP — AND WE DO
NOT MEAN TO NEW STUDENTS, WE MEAN TO OLD
STUDENTS. THERE ARE MANY.
THERE ARE MANY WHO ARE USING THE GROUP FOR
NEEDED CONTACTS.
Are
we starting a church?
WE
WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
Should
we telephone people to tell them about the
meetings?
IT
IS VALID AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO
STIPULATIONS PLACED UPON THE
PARTICIPATION AT THIS POINT, OR ANY PROMISES
MADE THAT CANNOT BE
KEPT.
Are
ideas enough?
ASSOCIATION
WITH THOSE WHO ARE LIVING THEIR IDEAS IS
MORE VALUABLE. YOU ARE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. MANY IN THE GROUP ARE
ISOLATED.
Does
what we’re doing parallel the Eleusinian way
of doing things?
THIS
CAN HAPPEN ONLY WITH A HIGH PRIEST WHO CAN
DO THE RITUAL WORK. THIS
SHOULD BE AN ADEPT REALLY, BUT SOME
SUCCESSFUL PRIESTS WERE SIMPLY
OLD PRIESTS IN DOMINANCE. RITUALS SOLIDIFY
GROUPS IN MANY INSTANCES.
Was
Christ influenced by the Eleusinian Mystery
religion?
NOT
PARTICULARLY, BUT WAS HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY
SOCRATES AND EPICURUS, AS
WELL AS THE ALEXANDRIAN BROTHERHOOD, WHICH
REALLY WAS A COUNTERPART
TO THE ELEUSINIAN SCHOOL.
How
does Bacchus, the god of wine, fit into
Eleusinian mysteries?
IT
HAS BEEN SAID BY US BEFORE THAT RITUALS
UNIFY AND BRING TOGETHER MANY
WHO OTHERWISE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
PARTICIPATE. THE SAME GOES FOR
FESTIVALS. THEY PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT
OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY THE FOOL IN
A CONTROLLED, SAFE ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS
NECESSARY FOR ALL SOULS IN
ORDINAL GOALS AND ROLES. SAGES AND PRIESTS
NORMALLY NEED NO SPECIAL
INVITATIONS TO BE HAMS, BUT THE SAME IS NOT
TRUE FOR MANY ARTISANS
AND WARRIORS. MANY ARTISANS ARE ESSENTIALLY
NONVERBAL, EXCEPT FOR
THOSE FEW WHO ARE INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED.
WARRIORS FEAR THE LOSS OF
RESPECT THAT ACCOMPANIES THE LOSS OF
DIGNITY. TIMID SOULS OFTEN
BLOSSOM DURING FESTIVALS. THIS WAS KNOWN IN
THE ANCIENT TIMES, MORE
SO THAN TODAY. THE BACCHANALIAN CULTS AROSE
FROM THE CELEBRATION OF
THE HARVEST, AND WERE SPONSORED AT FIRST BY
ATTIC [from “Attica”,
the district in Greece in which Athens was
the principal city]
VINTNERS. THIS WAS SO MUCH FUN THAT THE
CULTS SPREAD AND TOOK ON
ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANCE. THERE IS NOTHING
DULL ABOUT SPIRITUAL
GROWTH. THE NEED IS TO BECOME MORE JOYOUS
AND EXPANSIVE, NOT MORE
SOMBER AND INTROVERTED.
Is
_____ a Warrior or a King?
THERE
IS A CERTAIN AURA OF NOBLE TRANQUILLITY
PRESENT IN KINGS THAT IS
NOTABLY LACKING IN WARRIORS. THE KING
COMMANDS RESPECT BY HIS
PRESENCE ALONE, THE WARRIOR OFTEN BY FORCE
OF PERSONALITY. WARRIORS
ARE GENERALLY MUCH MORE LOUD. KINGS NORMALLY
SPEAK SOFTLY. THIS MAN
HAS A REGAL BEARING, BUT IT IS HIS DYNAMIC
PERSONALITY THAT ATTRACTS.
THE FOLLOWERS OF KINGS ARE LOYAL TO A GREAT
DEGREE, AND IT DOES NOT
DEPEND USUALLY ON THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THE
CAUSE. MANY WHO FOLLOWED
ALEXANDER [the Great] TO BATTLE DID NOT
AGREE WITH HIM, BUT WOULD
HAVE FOLLOWED HIM INTO EXILE JUST AS
WILLINGLY. WARRIORS CAN ONLY
LEAD AS LONG AS THEIR CAUSE IS A POPULAR
ONE.
Would
it not be a good idea to have a different
name than “Slave” for
this Role?
DO
YOU APPROVE OF ”SERVERS”?
A
SIXTH LEVEL MATURE SOUL CAN BE A MELLOW
LEVEL.
SAGES
ARE FAR MORE EXUBERANT [than artisans], EVEN
THOSE IN REJECTION.
SAGES IN ORDINAL GOALS SOMETIMES ARE
OBNOXIOUS. THIS PRODUCES MANY
MARTYRS, NEEDLESSLY, PARTICULARLY WITH SAGES
IN SUBMISSION.
Can
we pull the group together by having more
social life?
WE
ARE GRATIFIED THAT OUR MESSAGE TOOK ROOT
THIS RAPIDLY. SEEMS THAT
MOST GROUPS PURPORTED TO BE ON THE PATH HAVE
MUCH SOMBERNESS IN
COMMON. PERHAPS THIS IS WHY THE RATE OF
FAILURE IS SO ALARMINGLY
HIGH. THIS TEACHING SHOULD EVENTUALLY FREE
YOU FROM THE YOKE OF
COLLECTIVE GUILT, THEN THE SOBER AFFECT WILL
BE EVEN MORE
INAPPROPRIATE. LEARN JOY NOW AND IT WILL NOT
BE SUCH A SHOCK THEN.
Could
you enlarge on that comment?
THE
CULTURE PLACES THE LOAD OF GUILT RIGHT OUT
IN FRONT OF THE CHILD
WHERE IT MUST EITHER TRIP OVER IT OR STOP
SHORT OF ALL UNDERSTANDING.
THE CHILD EVENTUALLY SHOULDERS PART OF THIS,
EITHER WILLINGLY OR NOT,
AND CARRIES IT THROUGH LIFE, UNLESS IT
HAPPENS TO MEET WITH A
TEACHING THAT SHOWS IT THAT THERE IS NO
GUILT. THIS CULTURE IS GUILTY
VAGUELY OVERTLY ABOUT ALL THINGS THAT SEEM
LIGHT AND AIRY. THE
EMPHASIS IS ON WORK, AND THEN POSSIBLY YOU
MAY GO ON TO ANOTHER
BETTER PLACE WHERE YOU WON’T HAVE TO WORK SO
HARD — AND OF COURSE
YOU STUDENTS REALIZE THAT THIS IS NONSENSE.
IN FACT, THE LOAD OF TOIL
HOLDS YOU BACK RATHER THAN ENHANCING YOUR
WORK TOWARDS SPIRITUAL
GROWTH. SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE VERIFIED THIS
FOR YOURSELVES. THE
EMPHASIS ON OTHERWORLDLINESS HAS BECOME
MIRED IN FALSE CONCEPTS. WE
WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU THE ATTITUDES OF THE
ANCIENT GREEK
CIVILIZATION CENTERED IN ATHENS TOWARD
SEXUALITY, FOR INSTANCE. SEX
WAS JUST NOT A “HEAVY” SUBJECT TO THEM.
CONSEQUENTLY THEY ENJOYED
IT A WHOLE LOT MORE. THEY DID NOT ANALYZE.
WE POINT OUT TO YOU THAT
SOPHOCLES [an Athenian poet] LIVED DURING A
LATER PERIOD THAN WE ARE
NOW DISCUSSING; BY THAT TIME THE ENDLESS
ANALYSES HAD BEGUN. FOR
INSTANCE, IN ANCIENT ATHENS, WOMEN AND MEN
ONLY FELT “CHEATED UPON”
IF THE PARTNER DALLIED WITH SOMEONE THEY
COULD NOT LOVE ALSO — THEN
THEY FELT OUTRAGED. IT WAS CONSIDERED A
COMPLEMENT IF YOUR HUSBAND OR
WIFE REALLY LOVED YOUR BEST FRIEND IN THIS
WAY.
Christ
and the Jewish people stopped the Bacchanals
and they had much
gluttony.
WE
WOULD LIKE YOU TO PONDER UPON THAT FOR
AWHILE AND COMPARE IT TO THE
PREVALENT ATTITUDES TODAY.
In
the new Overleaf of Goals, I hear them as
judgmental in that there
are three “exalted” Goals and three
“subordinate” Goals, and
a “neutral” Goal.
THIS
IS TRUE OF ALL OF THE OVERLEAVES. IT
[variation of Goals in different
lifetimes] NORMALLY GIVES ALL SOULS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE ALL
OF LIFE IN THE ROLES, WHICH ARE STATIONARY
[don’t change]. IT
[Role] DOES NOT HAVE QUITE THE SAME IMPACT
AS IN THE OTHER
OVERLEAVES; IT SIMPLY MEANS THAT THE SOULS
IN ORDINAL ROLES TEND TO
BE THE DOERS RATHER THAN THE SITTERS AND
THINKERS [like the exalted
Roles].
I
see karma as a vicious circle. If one kills
someone in another life,
then he has to be killed or persecuted in
another life. If I don’t
pay in the next life, I pay by being killed.
How can you stop it?
ONCE
THE DEBT IS PAID, THE CIRCLE STOPS.
If
you could be like Christ and turn the other
cheek, would that stop
the karma?
THAT
IS VALID. IT IS ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE RIBBON
WITHOUT THE HOSTILE
ACTION.
You
can stop the karmic ribbon by forgiving the
person for what he’s
done.
Why
is it that when Michael tells us we lived
before, it was always in
Western Europe? Half the population of the
world is in China or
Russia. How can this be that our background
is predominantly
European?
YOU
HAVE ALL BEEN BLACK AND ALL HAVE BEEN
ORIENTAL. THE REASON WE
EMPHASIZE ROME NOW IS BECAUSE OF THE
PARALLEL TIME FRAME, AND THE
REASONS YOU ARE NOW COMING TOGETHER AGAIN TO
HEAR A TEACHING YOU ALL
HEARD BEFORE. ONE OF YOU LIVED IN THE TIME
OF THE MANIFESTATION OF
LAO TSU.
From
reading the last notes, I see only three
reasons for obesity. I can
eliminate the cultural diet, and I’m not in
rejection, so it must
be a sexual conflict.
YOU
ARE A VICTIM OF YOUR CULTURAL DIETARY
EXTRAVAGANCE. WE SEE SOME SEX
CONFLICT BUT NOT ENOUGH TO PUT ON THE
POUNDS.
I
would like to ask about an eleven year old
girl who is dieing of
cancer. Is there anything that we can do?
THERE
IS NEVER ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN “DO” TO ALTER
THE KARMA OF OTHERS:
THIS IS UNALTERABLE REGARDLESS OF THE
ACCEPTANCE GOAL [of yours].
Periodically,
I have a strange, cold feeling in the center
of my forehead. It is as
if someone is blowing cold air on that spot.
It is not frightening,
and I have felt it with my hands and it is
not cold. Is this
something from past lives or something
psychic or what?
IT
IS YOUR INVITATION TO LEAVE THE BODY.
Could
Michael suggest a book that would be right
for me to read now?
THE
BOOK THAT WOULD HELP THE MOST AT THIS MOMENT
WOULD BE “THE FAITH OF
EPICURUS”.
Who
is the author?
THE
AUTHOR IS NOT IMPORTANT. IT IS THE
INSTRUMENT WORTHWHILE — THE
AUTHOR WAS AN INSTRUMENT. YOU MIGHT START
READING [Kurt] VONNEGUT.
I
am an insomniac and I go through my daily
troubles trying to figure
out why I can’t go to sleep. Is there any
comment?
THE
NEXT TIME YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
SLEEPLESSNESS, TRY GETTING UP AND
DOING SOME PURPOSEFUL ACTIVITY. DON’T JUST
LIE THERE AND STEW. YOU
DO NOT NEED TO SLEEP EVERY NIGHT.