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February
18, 1974
RC
informed us that he had “talked”
with Soleal, and that Soleal was
willing to be with the group this
evening. (The capital letters are
words from Soleal in the
transcript.)
I
HAVE NO REAL REVELATIONS TO OFFER,
JUST THAT I AM STRUCK AGAIN BY THE
TREMENDOUS SCATTERING OF ENERGIES
EVEN IN THIS GROUP, DUE IN THE MOST
PART TO THE MYRIAD PERSONAL AGENDAS
THAT TAKE INTELLECTUAL CENTER AND
SOMETIMES EMOTIONAL CENTER OUT OF
PLAY FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. THE
LADY WHO HAS PREPARED THE PAPER HAS
HIT UPON AN IMPORTANT TRUTH WHEN
SHE SPEAKS OF DIVERSE GOALS WITHIN A
TIGHT PARTNERSHIP SUCH AS YOUR
CULTURE DEMANDS WITHIN THE CUSTOM OF
MARRIAGE, OR REALLY I SHOULD
SAY, DIVERGENT [goals]. THE GOALS OF
THE TEACHING, AND THUS OF THE
STUDENTS MUST BE UNIFIED IN ORDER TO
BE EFFECTIVE. THE TEACHER CAN
ONLY SUGGEST TO YOU THE METHODS, IF
YOU WISH, TO GROW. RIGHT NOW THE
RESPONSE WITHIN THE GROUP IS ALMOST
SOLELY INTELLECTUAL. THERE IS
RELATIVELY LITTLE EMOTIONAL
COMMITMENT TO THE TEACHING OR TO
EACH
OTHER, WHICH IS REALLY MORE
IMPORTANT. THIS LEADS TO THE
HAPHAZARDNESS WITH WHICH THE GROUP
GOES ABOUT ITS BUSINESS.
Comment:
Everything
we do should complement the goal of
the group. We tend to
take on too many things to do. You
don’ t have to give up
everything, but you should pull your
life towards the goal.
I
WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO YOU AT
THIS TIME THAT MANY OF YOU ARE
DABBLERS. YOU DABBLE IN THIS AND
THAT, TASTING ALL OF THE FRUITS,
EATING OF NONE, AND IN THIS LIGHT,
YOU ALSO DABBLE IN SPIRITUAL
GROWTH AS WELL. NOW THIS IS ALL
RIGHT. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH
THIS. IT INCURS LITTLE KARMA. BUT ON
THE OTHER HAND, IT LEADS
NOWHERE. ALSO THE CONCEPT OF AGAPE
REQUIRES THE ACTIONS OF A CLOSELY
KNIT GROUP OF SUPPORTIVE STUDENTS IN
ORDER TO COME TO REALITY. NO ONE
CAN FEEL AGAPE IN AN IVORY TOWER. IT
CAN ONLY BE FELT WHEN HIGHER
CENTERS ARE CONTACTED IN THE COURSE
OF CLOSE ASSOCIATION WITH OTHERS.
THERE IS NO WAY TO DO THIS ALONE
THAT I KNOW OF. WHERE THE
MISUNDERSTANDING HAS COME ABOUT, I
THINK, IS WHERE THE TEACHER
[Michael] HAS ADVISED YOU OF THE
DANGERS OF THE CLOISTERS AND THE
STIFLING ATMOSPHERE THERE THAT
RETARDS GROWTH, AND HAS POINTED OUT
TO
YOU THE RELATIVE LACK OF SUCCESS
AMONG THOSE WHO CHOOSE THE SOLITARY
PATH. IF YOU WISH, WE COULD PREPARE
FOR YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT
WORKS HERE [on Soleal’s planet].
Comment:
The
solitary way of the mountain-top
yogis, nunneries, monkeries,
etc.
Comment:
When
the need manifests, the group will
come together. In TFR group
(“Time for Reality”) there is much
trust in each other. We can be
honest and open up.
Comment:
Gurdjieff
was organized and was not haphazard,
and Michael says the
only thing valid was the centers and
a life beyond the physical.
AT
GREAT
RISK OF DEVELOPING SOME REAL
FRICTION, I OFFER THIS, IN PART MY
OWN, IN PART THE TEACHING, NOT YET
INSEPARABLE. IN MOST OF YOU I SEE
GREAT FEARS OF INVASION OF VERY
PRIVATE WORLDS. THIS, OF COURSE, IN
GREAT MEASURE DUE TO A LOWER LEVEL
OF TRUST, AND ALSO TO GUILT. MANY
OF YOU STILL ARE NOT CONVINCED THAT
YOUR VERY PRIVATE LIFE STYLE WILL
BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE OTHERS, AND YOU
ARE SINGULARLY UNWILLING TO RISK
FINDING OUT. ALSO, THERE IS A
TENACIOUS DESIRE TO RUN FROM ANY
POSSIBLE MOLDING OF YOUR LIVES BY
OTHERS. MANY OF YOU NEED TO WORK ON
THIS, FOR THIS IS PERSONALITY
DIGGING IN FOR A LAST DITCH STAND
AGAINST ESSENCE, WHICH WOULD NOT
PERMIT THE MOLDING IN THE FIRST
PLACE. ALL OF YOU HAVE A SET OF
RIGID SPECIFICATIONS SET BY
PERSONALITY CONCERNING YOUR NEEDS.
NONE OF THOSE ARE VALID. ONLY THAT
WHICH COMES FROM ESSENCE IS VALID.
IF YOU ARE BEING COMPLETELY HONEST
WITH YOURSELVES AND OTHERS, THE NEED
FOR PRIVACY AND ALONENESS
DISAPPEARS, AND IS REPLACED BY THE
FEELING OF AGAPE. THIS IS NOT
EASY. THE TEACHER HAS NOT SAID THAT
IT IS EASY, ONLY THAT IT CAN BE
OBTAINED. ON THIS WORLD, WE ARE
FACED DAILY WITH THE NEED FOR
CONTINUED GROWTH, AND SPEND MUCH
TIME SOLVING THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS
THAT BESET YOU ALL. THE DIFFERENCE
BEING THAT WE KNOW THAT IT IS A
WORKABLE SYSTEM, AND FEEL THE
NECESSITY TO KEEP IT ALIVE. IT IS
SOMETIMES DIFFICULT AND SOMETIMES
DISHEARTENING, BUT IN THE LONG RUN,
REWARDING BEYOND WORDS.
Comment:
We
can’t sit and listen without
applying the words. We have to
learn from what’s going on. One
wanted to discuss things [among]
ourselves [rather] than to listen to
Soleal, but when it was said
that Soleal’s time was limited,
unlike Michael’s, we wanted to
hear more of what he had to say.
I
HAVE A FINITE AMOUNT OF TIME. IF YOU
WISH, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU SOME
OF MY THOUGHTS ON ORGANIZATION. I
THINK THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH
THE TEACHER, AND ALSO WITH ME, IN
ACCEPTING YOUR OUTLINES FOR
ORGANIZATION WOULD HAVE TO BE YOUR
RELIANCE TO SUCH A GREAT EXTENT
UPON THE MONEY THAT CAN BE POURED
INTO YOUR GROUP, EXCLUDING A NUMBER
OF STUDENTS WHO CAN OFFER FAR MORE
THAN A MERE MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE
(such as money), AND CONSEQUENTLY,
THE TEACHER HAS VETOED YOUR PLANS.
THIS IS BAD WORK TO EXCLUDE ON THIS
BASE, AND ALSO TO DWELL AT SUCH
LENGTH UPON ALL OF THE DIRECTIONS AS
CONTINGENCIES WHICH MIGHT
HAPPEN. DO YOU REALIZE THAT THIS IS
AS MUCH A FANTASY AS THE
IDEALIST’S DREAM. I AM NOT AN
IDEALIST, BUT AM CERTAINLY WILLING
TO
RUN A TRIAL BY ERROR TEST ON
ANYTHING THAT SEEMS TO BE MEANINGFUL
IN
THE END. IF EVERYONE ON YOUR WORLD
HAD WAITED UNTIL ALL OF THE LOOSE
ENDS WERE NEATLY TUCKED IN, NO
PROGRESS EVER WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE.
THERE IS SUCH A THING AS OBSTINATE
REALISM. WE HAVE ON THIS WORLD A
VAST SYSTEM OF VERY LARGE COMMUNES,
SO DO NOT TELL ME THAT THEY
CANNOT WORK. ALL ARE ON A TOTAL
GOODS FOR SERVICE BASIS, AND ALL
GOODS ARE COMMON PROPERTY, YET WE
HAVE ALL OF THE EMOTIONS, THE
PRIDE, AND CERTAINLY THE PLEASURES
THAT YOU DESIRE. YOU SEEM TO FEEL
THAT SHARING IN SOME WAY REMOVES
YOUR RIGHT TO FEEL JUSTIFIED. THAT
IS RIDICULOUS. SOME OF YOU ARE
AFRAID THAT YOU WILL BE KNOCKED FROM
YOUR PEDESTALS IN A COMMUNAL SYSTEM.
YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT. THAT
WILL BE GOOD WORK, BELIEVE ME, FOR
IT WILL BE THE FALSE PERSONALITY
WHICH WILL FALL. MANY TIMES THIS IS
WITH [a] RESOUNDING CRASH, BUT IT
ALWAYS LEVELS OUT IN THE END. THE
REASON THIS SYSTEM HAS NOT WORKED
ON YOUR WORLD HAS BEEN FOR THE MOST
PART DUE TO YOUR TENDENCY TO GIVE
UP AT THE FIRST SIGN OF OPPOSITION,
AND TO FALL BACKWARDS TO OLD,
SAFE PATTERNS. IT TAKES A TREMENDOUS
AND DILIGENT ORGANIZATION TO
KEEP THIS SYSTEM GOING, AND ONE OF
THE PREREQUISITES WHICH IS
INDISPENSABLE IS AN ORDERLY MIND
THAT CAN DETACH FROM THE MUNDANE AND
FOCUS ON THE LONG RANGE GOALS,
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. IN OUR SYSTEM,
THE GOOD OF MANY IS VALUED OVER THE
GOOD OF THE INDIVIDUAL, AND I
WILL ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE GOOD, SOUND
CULTURAL MORES AND A RIGHT
VIRTUE OF YOUR TRAINING TO REGARD
THIS AS SCARY. BUT HOWEVER
FRIGHTENING IT MAY SOUND AT THE
OUTSET, THE GOOD OF THE MANY
EVENTUALLY SERVES THE NEEDS OF THE
INDIVIDUAL. THE SYSTEM, IN ORDER
TO WORK AT ALL, OF COURSE, REQUIRES,
ABOVE ALL, PATIENCE AND THE
BELIEF THAT YOUR INDIVIDUAL NEEDS —
AND NOTICE I DID NOT SAY
“WANTS” — WILL BE SERVED. THE
EXPECTATION OF INSTANT
GRATIFICATION OF ALL WANTS IS
CONSUMMATELY ABSURD, AND BELONGS IN
CHILDHOOD.
WHENEVER
ABSOLUTE
RIGIDITY IS INTRODUCED INTO A
SYSTEM, IT FAILS. WHAT THE
TEACHER WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU WORK
ON IS A FLEXIBLE BUT ORDERLY
SYSTEM DESIGNED TO SERVE THE NEEDS
OF THE ENTIRE GROUP, BUT PLIABLE
ENOUGH TO BEND A LITTLE WHEN THE
NEEDS OF ONE ARE TOTALLY
DISREGARDED. EVEN WE DO NOT TOTALLY
DISREGARD A CRY FOR HELP AS LONG
AS IT IS VALID. WE HAVE MANY
DISCUSSIONS ON PROBLEM SOLVING, AND
OUR
MATURE SOULS ARE AS MUCH AT SEA AS
YOURS. IT IS JUST THAT WE ARE ALL
PULLING TOGETHER RATHER THAN AGAINST
EACH OTHER. WE HAVE A FOCUS FOR
OUR ENERGIES. WE HAVE THE TIME TO
PURSUE THIS TYPE OF ENDEAVOR
WITHOUT THE THREAT OF OUTSIDE
INTERFERENCE. IT IS ALL RIGHT HERE
TO
LOCK YOURSELVES AWAY FROM THE
OTHERS, AND THERE IS NO
CONDEMNATION,
BUT SOME EFFORT IS MADE TO DISCOVER
THE CAUSE OF THAT ANTISOCIAL
NEED, AND WHERE NEEDED, HELP IS
GIVEN. THE MOST PROMINENT CAUSE OF
SUICIDE ON YOUR PLANET IS YOUR
RESPECT OF THE PRIVACY OF OTHERS.
NOTHING HELPS LIKE PERSON-TO-PERSON
CONTACT. WE ARE A CONTINUOUS
SOCIETY — YOU ARE NOT. WE DO NOT
SHUT DOWN EITHER INTELLECTUALLY OR
EMOTIONALLY WHEN NIGHT FALLS. YOUR
LEVEL OF TRUST IS SO LOW THAT YOU
MUST BE VERY SELECTIVE IN THOSE IN
WHOM YOU MAY CONFIDE. THAT IS NOT
THE CASE HERE. THIS MAKES A VERY
GREAT DIFFERENCE. YOUR HISTORY
RECORDS THAT YOUR GREATEST LEADERS
WERE IN CONSTANT DANGER OF
ASSASSINATION, AND THEIR ACCESS TO
THE PEOPLE WAS CONSEQUENTLY
SEVERELY LIMITED. MINE WOULD BE,
TOO, I’M AFRAID. THERE IS, ON THIS
WORLD, A BASIC CONTRACT OF TRUST,
WHICH PLACES ALL MAJOR
RESPONSIBILITY AND DECISION-MAKING
INTO THE HANDS OF A SELECT FEW.
THIS, OF COURSE, POINTS TO A VERY
HIGH LEVEL OF TRUST ON THIS WORLD,
FOR WE HAVE NO WEAPONS. THESE
SO-CALLED LEADERS CAN BE CALLED TO
TASK
BY ANY ONE AT ANY TIME THAT THEIR
DECISION-MAKING APPARATUS APPEARS
TO FAIL. THOSE OF US WITH WHOM
LEADERSHIP IS IN ESSENCE ARE
CAREFULLY
TRAINED. THERE IS NOTHING HAPHAZARD
ABOUT IT. I BEGAN TRAINING FOR MY
PRESENT POSITION WHEN I WAS TEN
YEARS OLD. I AM NOW THIRTY YEARS
OLD.
MUCH TIME IS WASTED ON YOUR WORLD
WITH SUPERFLUOUS TRAINING. WHY
TRAIN ARTISANS IN THE PRIESTHOOD? IF
THEY WISH TO LEARN THIS LATER,
FINE; MAKE IT AVAILABLE, BUT DO NOT
FORCE KNOWLEDGE UPON THOSE
UNWILLING TO LEARN. YOU HAVE IN YOU
A SAFETY VALVE THAT NATURALLY
REBELS AGAINST MUCH OF THIS, BUT
MUCH IS STILL FORCED UPON YOU. TAKE
A LOOK AT YOUR EDUCATION SYSTEM. IT
IS APPALLING TO ME. YOU ARE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO
TRAINING THE YOUNG, AND THEY SUFFER
FROM THIS.
Comment:
With help, ST could diagnose
children and point them in the right
direction.
CHILDREN
ARE
BORN KNOWING THEIR ROLES. YOUR
SOCIETY DOES ITS BEST TO BLOT THIS
KNOWLEDGE. ONE ONLY HAS TO OBSERVE A
GROUP OF VERY YOUNG CHILDREN AT
PLAY TO OBSERVE THE ROLES. DON’T SAY
THAT THIS ONLY APPLIES TO OUR
CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HUMAN.
CHILDREN ARE CHILDREN WHETHER
THEY ARE MAMMALIAN OR SAURIAN.
Comment:
I
would not want a professional to
tell my children what they should
do.
How
does
Soleal’s world find the essence?
MANY
COMMENTS
COME TO MIND, BUT FIRST, MAY I POINT
OUT THAT WHILE THE
LEVEL OF FORMAL EDUCATION IN YOUR
GROUP IS NOT HIGH WHEN COMPARED TO
THAT WHICH IS AVAILABLE, THE LEVEL
OF KNOWLEDGE IS QUITE ASTOUNDING.
DOES THIS TELL YOU ANYTHING AT ALL
ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL’S DRIVE TO
OBTAIN WHATEVER KNOWLEDGE BECOMES
DESIRABLE? IN OUR SYSTEM, WE DO
MAKE AVAILABLE INSTRUCTION IN ALL OF
THE ARTS AND ALL OF THE SCIENCES
— NOTHING MORE. IT IS THERE FOR THE
ASKING. YOUNG CHILDREN ARE
OBSERVED DAY AND NIGHT BY OBSERVERS
WHO ONLY SERVE AS GUIDES, AND
OFFER ADVICE RATHER THAN
INSTRUCTION. REAL INSTRUCTION DOES
NOT BEGIN
UNTIL ADOLESCENCE, BUT BY THEN THERE
IS A SURPRISINGLY HIGH LEVEL OF
ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE. YOUNG CHILDREN
ARE ENCOURAGED TO OBSERVE THE ACTS
OF THE ADULTS, AND ARE ENCOURAGED
ALSO TO TRY THEIR OWN HAND WHENEVER
THEY FEEL THE DESIRE. THEY ARE NEVER
DISCOURAGED VERBALLY FROM TRYING
ANYTHING, FOR THE ULTIMATE DECISION
MUST STILL COME FROM THEM IN
MAKING THE DECISION. HOWEVER, THEY
HAVE CONSTANT REASSURANCE AND
HELP. THERE IS NO VICARIOUS
ACHIEVEMENTS ON THIS WORLD, SIMPLY
BECAUSE ALL ARE ENCOURAGED TO
ACHIEVE ON THEIR OWN THAT WHICH IS
IN
ESSENCE.
Comment:
There
is a rigidity in our society
[against willingness] to change
direction and to have freedom to
experiment. We ought to be able to
“turn on a dime”, as our old teacher
used to say.
I
WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE, BUT THEN I
REALLY THINK THAT I’VE SAID TOO
MUCH ALREADY. THE TEACHER IS ALWAYS
WITH YOU.
(Supper
break.)
Would
_____
be a good trance medium?
HE
HAS
NOW TIGHT CONTROL, AND WOULD HAVE TO
LEARN TO RELINQUISH THIS
BEFORE IT WOULD WORK. _____ HAS
SUFFICIENT ENERGY, BUT IT IS TRUE
THERE IS DIFFICULTY INVOLVED IN
TRANSCENDING A PLANE, AND THE
ATTENTIONS OF THE GROUP MUST BE
DIRECTED TOWARD THE MANIFESTATION.
THERE IS AN INFINITE SUPPLY (of
energy) WHICH SHE MAY DRAW UPON.
TIGHT CONTROL WOULD ACT AS
INHIBITION; ALSO THE ACCEPTANCE
GOAL. THE
ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IN THE AMOUNT OF
BIAS THAT MUST BE FOUGHT IN ORDER
FOR US TO MANIFEST WITH COMPLETE
CONTROL. WE WOULD NOT ATTEMPT TO
MANIFEST THROUGH A BABY SOUL. WE DO
NOT SEE THAT MUCH BIAS IN YOU,
_____ YOU ARE A BIT UNIQUE RIGHT
NOW. YOU HAVE MOST OF THE
PERCEPTIONS OF THE MATURE SOUL AND
ALL OF THE POTENTIAL.
What
sort
of thing was I seeing in one of my
meditations? There were
fifteen humans hunting and another
group came and threw stones. My
only feelings were to save myself,
and I threw stones back at them.
THAT
WAS
A VIEW OF PREHISTORY BEFORE SOULS
WERE CAST. THIS WAS THE
DOMINANT EMERGING SPECIES PROM WHICH
YOUR RACE AROSE.
Must
one
be in Emotional Center for you to
come through?
IN
ORDER
TO FEEL THE VIBRATIONS AND ACT UPON
THEM, ONE NEEDS EMOTIONAL
CENTER TO GO INTO BALANCE.
Will
a
person be able to change to Growth?
NO.
IT
IS A DIFFERENT PRINCIPLE ALTOGETHER.
IT IS SIMPLY THAT THE GOAL OF
GROWTH GIVES YOU A BETTER DIVING
BOARD.
Comment:
Goals
and Centering have nothing to do
with each other.
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