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There was an impression that the soul is
entrapped in this physical body,
and I disagree with that answer, and my opinion
was expressed regarding
this: there is one Infinite soul, and we are
each manifestations of the same
soul, and I fail to see how the Infinite soul
can be trapped in a finite
ALL SOULS, OR "FRAGMENTS", AS WE CHOOSE TO CALL
THEM FOR NOW, ARE OF COURSE,
A PART OF THE UNIVERSAL CREATIVE FORCE, WHICH WE
CALL THE TAO. HOWEVER, WHEN
THIS FRAGMENTATION OCCURS AND THE PHYSICAL CYCLE
BEGINS, THIS FRAGMENT IS
REMOTE FROM THE TAO, AND REMOTE FROM WHAT WE
CALL THE INFINITE SOUL. WE
THINK THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SEMANTICS
HERE. LET US USE AN ANALOGY AND
PERHAPS THIS WILL BECOME CRYSTAL CLEAR. IMAGINE
THE ATLANTIC OCEAN AS THE
WHOLE; IMAGINE FILLING TEN TEST TUBES, THEN
SEALING THEM SO THAT THEY ARE
BOTH WATER TIGHT AND AIR TIGHT; THEN IMAGINE
DROPPING THEM BACK INTO THE
OCEAN. THEY ARE A PART OF THE WHOLE, YES, BUT
UNLESS SOME OUTSIDE FORCE
LIBERATES THEM, THEY ARE REMOTE FROM THE SOURCE
AND TRAPPED IN AN EFFECTIVE
PRISON. THIS SAME WAY THE SOUL IS TRAPPED IN THE
BODY. THE BODY IS VERY
LIMITED IN WHAT IT CAN DO. YOU [EM is
handicapped] SHOULD UNDERSTAND THIS
REALLY BETTER THAN THE OTHERS. THE SOUL IN ITS
TRUE SPIRITUAL STATE HAS NO
LIMITATIONS OR HANDICAPS.
EM: What is my purpose?
WE HAVE TOLD YOU THAT A MAJOR PART OF KARMA FOR
YOU THIS TIME REVOLVES
AROUND SEARCHING FOR TRUTH, IN SPITE OF GREAT
PHYSICAL HANDICAP. THIS IS THE
MAJOR PART OF KARMA; THERE IS MORE. YOU HAD TO
BE RELATIVELY FREE OF
EMOTIONAL ENTANGLEMENTS ALSO, TO BE FREE TO
STUDY. THE STUDY IS NOW
BEGINNING TO REAP THE NECESSARY REWARD. THIS CAN
BE A LONELY CHOICE, BUT ALL
SOULS MAKE IT OCCASIONALLY.
PJ: I would like to know about moving 3,000
miles away from here, with a new
job. I am going soon to look, and I should get
over some of my negative
feelings. I am confused about how to do this
work with my emotions, how to
best see things as they really are.
WE VIEW THIS WITH SOME TREPIDATION ONLY FOR THE
OBVIOUS REASON THAT YOU WILL
BE TRADING A POSITIVE POWER AREA FOR A VERY
NEGATIVE ONE. THIS IS PROBABLY
WHAT YOU ARE FEELING NOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU CANNOT
SEE THIS AT ALL LEVELS. IF
YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SEARCH THERE AND FEEL
FULFILLED SPIRITUALLY, THEN IT
WILL NOT BE BAD WORK. IT WILL BE EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT IN THAT EXISTENTIAL
CLIMATE, ALTHOUGH SOME HAVE SOUGHT THERE
SUCCESSFULLY. THEY ARE SPIRITUAL
RECLUSES THOUGH DURING THE LAST YEARS. THE
CLIMATE THERE ENCOURAGES ONES TO
BE AS RATIONAL AS POSSIBLE. THIS WILL BE A
SWITCH FROM THIS ONE. THE
NEGATIVITY COMES FROM KNOWING THIS ON A DEEPER
LEVEL THAT VERY MUCH WANTS TO
SEEK. THAT AMOUNT OF FORMALITY WILL BE
DISTRESSING TO YOU, AND THIS
INFLUENCE WILL SURPRISE YOU. IN SPITE OF YOUR
BACKGROUND YOU HAVE MANAGED TO
BECOME VERY "CALIFORNIANIZED". IT WILL BE HARD.
PJ: Should I not bother to go and look?
THE LOOK WOULD BE VALUABLE FOR YOU. THEN IT
WOULD BE TRULY YOUR CHOICE AND
ES: BT lives next door to a two story house that
has a story about it that
it is haunted. Could we have a comment? The
occupants are afraid.
THESE SPIRITS ARE COMPLETELY HARMLESS. OFTEN
BABY AND SOME YOUNG SOULS ARE
QUITE ATTRACTED TO THE PHYSICAL PLANE,
PARTICULARLY IF THEY DIE YOUNG OR
VIOLENTLY. THEY MANAGE TO PROJECT STRONG
FEELINGS FROM THE ASTRAL PLANE,
ENOUGH SOMETIMES TO ANIMATE THE ETHERIC MATTER
AVAILABLE. THEY BORROW THE
ENERGY FROM ANYONE AVAILABLE. IF THEY ARE TRULY
BOTHERING YOUR FRIENDS WE
WILL TAKE THEM AWAY. THIS DOES DISSIPATE OF ITS
ET: I have several questions here from someone
else, DM. DM felt moved to
move to the east coast [but did not], and now
because of what has happened
to her she feels like they should have moved.
WE DO NOT FEEL THAT THE MOVE WOULD HAVE ALTERED
THE COURSE OF D.M.'S
DISEASE. IT ALREADY REACHED THE STATE WHERE SHE,
OR RATHER THAT BODY, HAD
DECIDED. PSYCHICALLY D.M. WOULD BENEFIT, NOT BY
THE EXPERIENCE, ONLY BY
SEARCHING. SHE BELIEVES THAT SHE WOULD. SHE
WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH SOMEONE
THERE JUST AS SHE WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO IN THE
BEGINNING. IT IS IMPORTANT
THAT SHE STAY IN CONTACT WITH E.T. NOW. E.T. CAN
HELP HER TO REEVALUATE HER
BELIEF SYSTEM. THERE IS NO REASON WHY SHE SHOULD
NOT GO EAST. THERE IS
LITERALLY NOTHING TO LOSE.
ET: DM feels she will live for several decades,
even though she has had this
surgery, and knows she has cancer, she felt as
though she would live for a
long time yet. True?
D.M. CAN LIVE IF SHE CONTINUES TO EVOLVE IN THE
WAY SHE HAS STARTED, YES.
E.T., YOU CAN HELP HER NOW BY HELPING HER TO
REASSESS HER LIFE GOALS, AND
MORE IMPORTANTLY, HER FRUSTRATIONS AND THE
MESSAGE THAT HER EARLY DEATH
WOULD CONVEY. THIS LADY IS MORE THAN READY TO
ACCEPT SPIRITUAL COUNSELING.
ET: She wants to know if there is residual
cancer. Does she [have any]?
YES, SHE DOES. THIS IS NOT NOW AGGRESSIVE, AND
WE THINK THAT D.M. HAS MORE
OF A CHANCE TO COUNTERACT THIS AT THIS POINT
THAN AT THE ONSET. THIS LADY
DOES NOT RECOGNIZE IN HERSELF THE SADNESS THAT
SHE HAS. YOU MUST GET TO HER
SADNESS AND ALSO TO HER RESENTMENT OVER
UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS. SHE WILL
TALK TO YOU, AND SHE HAS THE APTITUDE TO ACQUIRE
THE NECESSARY INSIGHTS.
ET: One more question for DM: She has always had
a red nose, and she would
like to know why.
ENGORGED CAPILLARIES, ALLERGIC.
ET: Now, I have several questions of my own,
about books I've seen. I would
like to know if they are valid, and if it would
benefit me to read them. The
first one is Oahasp.
WE ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS WORK. IS IT A
COMPENDIUM OF A SORT?
ET: What about the Urantia Book?
WE ARE AWARE OF THIS. THERE IS SOME VALIDITY
ET: What about the Book of Truth — Osiris? Were
the writings given to the
author by a literal "god"?
THAT PART OF COURSE IS ABSURD, BUT INFORMATION
IS MOSTLY GOOD. THE GOD
"OSIRIS" IS JUST ANOTHER NAME FOR THAT WHICH IS
UNNAMABLE AND UNUTTERABLE.
THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN'S CIVILIZATION WAS
PSYCHICALLY FAR ADVANCED. THE
EGYPTIANS KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO APPEAL TO THE
MASSES. THEY DID THIS
SUCCESSFULLY FOR LONGER THAN ANY OTHER
CIVILIZATION. AMENHOTEP WAS A
MANIFESTATION OF THE TRANSCENDENTAL SOUL.
ET: How about a five-book set of work by Thomas
Spalding, The Life and
Teachings of the Masters of the Far East? [These
books tell of Masters who
lived for hundreds of years.]
WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY ADEPTS WHO HAVE CHOSEN
TO REMAIN ON THE PHYSICAL
PLANE BEYOND THE ALLOTTED SPAN. HOWEVER, MANY
ADEPTS DO STILL HAVE KARMIC
RIBBONS WHICH BRING THEM BACK FOR ANOTHER GO.
CH: Could you give us the "Goal" (next
Overleaf), or one Goal? Is there one
Goal for one Role?
NOT NECESSARILY C.H. THE GOALS ARE CHOSEN WITH
THE IDEA OF COMPLETING A
Is there a different Goal in each life?
YES, USUALLY YOU DO [choose a different Goal].
THERE ARE SEVEN, AND YOU MUST
NECESSARILY REPEAT THEM, BUT HOW YOU REPEAT THEM
IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE
CENTER OF GRAVITY AND THE BODYTYPE DETERMINES
THE SUCCESS YOU HAVE.
Could you give me mine?
OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF THEM IS "GROWTH". THIS IS THE
ANTITHESIS OP ANOTHER
[Retardation]. THERE IS A STABLE NEUTRAL GOAL
[Stagnation], JUST AS THERE IS
STABLE NEUTRAL OBSERVANT ROLE [Scholar].
CH: Was it Tomas on the typewriter?
THE NAME "TOMAS" WILL SUFFICE, YES.
Are the Fragments RH, CH, LL, and RH's mother
[MAH] part of the same Entity?
IT IS CORRECT THAT L.L. AND C.H. ARE FRAGMENTS
OF THE SAME ENTITY. M.A.H. IS
NOT. SHE IS A MUCH OLDER SOUL. C.H. WAS FIRST
BORN ONTO THE PHYSICAL PLANE
TO M.A.H., AT THE TIME M.A.H. WAS A YOUNG SOUL.
There was a discussion here about previous
information tying in several
people into the same Entity.
WE DO NOT SEE L.L. AS AN OLD SOUL. L.L. HAS A
GREAT DEAL OF PSYCHIC ENERGY,
BUT IS A FOURTH LEVEL YOUNG SOUL. EXAMINE HER
This question is lost. It was a question about
THIS ENTITY IS ATTEMPTING TO WORK OUT OF KARMA
ON THE ASTRAL PLANE. THIS IS
AN OPINION [of his].
Is the entity of Tomas a young soul?
THIS FRAGMENT, IN THE LAST PHYSICAL INTERVAL,
ACCELERATED BECAUSE OF PSYCHIC
GROWTH. IF HE CHOSES TO REMAIN ON THE ASTRAL
PLANE FOR SEVERAL MORE OF YOUR
CENTURIES, GROWTH MAY BE SUCH THAT HE WILL BE
REINCARNATED AS A FIRST LEVEL
OLD SOUL. HE HAS AN ADVANTAGE OVER YOU. HE IS
NOT ENCUMBERED BY THE PHYSICAL
VEHICLE, AND THE MAN OF WHOM YOU SPEAK [Thomas
Spalding] IS OR HAS BEEN IN
CONTACT WITH SEVERAL OF THESE. THEIR RECALL IS
SPECTACULAR, AND THEY DO NOT
SPEND AS LONG ON THE ASTRAL INTERVAL AS DO OTHER
SOULS, THIS ACCOUNTS FOR
THE TIBETAN THEORY OF THE FORTY DAYS BETWEEN
LIVES. SOME ADEPTS DO THIS.
BODIES DIE. THE ORGANIC CONSTITUENTS BREAK DOWN
EVENTUALLY, REGARDLESS OF
THE SKILL OF THE ADEPT. IT IS WISER TO CHANGE
THE BODY. YES, READ THIS BOOK
[by Thomas Spalding]. THEY ARE INTERESTING.
There was a discussion here about Thomas
Spalding. ET explained that the
books were written from information supposedly
received by Spalding from
ET: How about Alice Bailey's works, and those of
WE RECOMMEND THE LADY BAILEY. SHE REACHED A HIGH
LEVEL OF SPIRITUAL GROWTH.
WE WILL BE HAPPY TO CORRECT ANY MISCONCEPTIONS.
There was a discussion here about Alice Bailey's
writings, and one point
made was that she had a racial problem in her
ET: I would like to verify a story told to me by
HB, about a space ship, and
information from these people, with something
like 45 billion souls on the
ship, who will act as missionaries.
WOW, THIS FIGURE IS ASTOUNDING. THIS WOULD
VIRTUALLY DEVASTATE MOST WORLDS
WE KNOW OF POPULATION WISE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY
WERE ALL ADEPTS. IT IS TRUE,
YOU WILL BE VISITED PROBABLY WITHIN THE COMING
YEAR, AND THIS VISIT WILL
HAVE A PROFOUND EFFECT. WE HAVE ADVISED YOU OF
THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS
CONTACT. THE MISSIONARY ASPECT IS HAZY. THE
EXCHANGE WILL BE GOOD FOR BOTH.
ST: I wrote a letter to my parents recently,
thanking them for their support
and help while I was working on a goal, and my
mother wrote back and said
she knew all the time that I would do this,
because when I was born I had a
"veil" over my face, and the midwife predicted
great things for me. I would
like to know how valid these superstitions are,
and if "omens" mean
THE SUPERSTITION CONCERNING THE PSYCHIC POWER OF
THOSE BORN WITH A "CAUL" IS
A VERY ANCIENT ONE, HAVING ITS ROOTS IN
BABYLONIA. THE PLACE OF SUPERSTITION
IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS IS SOMETIMES VALID, IN
THAT IT ALLOWS POWERFULLY
PSYCHICALLY ENERGETIC SOULS TO EXERCISE THEIR
POWERS WITHOUT DISRUPTING
THEIR ALREADY FORMED DOGMATIC BELIEF SYSTEMS.
THE LADY IN QUESTION WAS ONE
OF THOSE. SHE USED A CONVENIENT SUPERSTITION TO
EXPLAIN THE TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF PSYCHIC ENERGY SHE FELT. OMENS ARE
DIFFERENT. THE OMEN VERY OFTEN
ARE GIVEN TO YOU AS SHOCK, JUST AS PRECOGNITIVE
EXPERIENCES. THE OMENS OR
SIGNS ARE OFTEN ASTRAL, AND THE ONE TO WHOM THEY
ARE ADDRESSED ARE THE ONLY
ONES WHO SEE THEM. THERE ARE OTHERS, SUCH AS
DARKENING SKIES, ETC., THAT ARE
SEEN BY MANY, AND THE COLLECTIVE MIND FLASHES ON
THE INSIGHT THAT WAS
[A page is missing here.]
. . . HAS ACCESS TO MUCH INFORMATION, BUT IS
ALSO CHALLENGED BY MAYA.
RC: Is "False Personality" and "Maya" the same?
HE IS CHALLENGED BY THE GLAMOUR OF THE
DIVERSIFIED BELIEF SYSTEMS, AND IS
ONLY ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE BECAUSE OF HIGHER
TEACHERS WHO ARE AVAILABLE. WE
DO NOT PREVENT THE DISSEMINATION OF VALID
INFORMATION FROM THE ASTRAL PLANE,
BUT THIS IS MONITORED CAREFULLY, AND ATTEMPTS
ARE MADE TO INVALIDATE FALSE
DATA. SOMETIMES THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE, PRIMARILY
BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT BELIEF
SYSTEMS OF THE MEDIUM INVOLVED. THIS IS WHY WE
ALWAYS ATTEMPT TO WORK WITH
OLDER [soul] MEDIUMS. THEIR CONVICTIONS TEND TO
FLOAT MORE EASILY, AND IT IS
POSSIBLE TO SNEAK PAST THEIR BIAS.
EE: I would like to know the soul level and Role
of my son, O.
THIS LITTLE BOY IS A YOUNG PRIEST. YOU HAVE NO
KARMIC RIBBONS WITH HIM. YOU
WERE CHOSEN BECAUSE OF LONGEVITY AND OTHER
DESIRABLE GENETIC TRAITS. THE
LITTLE BOY OF COURSE DOES NEED THE NORMAL
INTERCHANGE BETWEEN FATHER AND
SON. IN THE CASE OF PRIEST, THIS IS QUITE
IMPORTANT, AS THEY TEND TO [two or
three words missing] TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN.
PARTICULARLY IN THIS CYCLE.
DESERTION BY YOU AT THIS TIME IN HIS LIFE COULD
CAUSE HIM TO BECOME A REAL
CRUSADER IN THE FUTURE.
Could we have more on Roles?
WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO CONFUSE THE INTERCHANGE
TONIGHT WITH CURSORY MENTION
OF ROLES, UNTIL THEY CAN BE DEFINED AT LENGTH.
THIS STUDENT SHOULD HAVE
ACCESS TO PREVIOUS MATERIAL.
PJ: I would like to know about the manifestation
at age 35 — the
breakthrough that occurs then.
WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS THAT THE ROLE IN ESSENCE
MANIFESTS AT APPROXIMATELY
THIS AGE. YES, SOME BREAK THROUGH MUCH EARLIER,
PARTICULARLY IF THEY GO
THEIR OWN WAY EARLY IN LIFE. LONERS BREAK
THROUGH FAR MORE EASILY THAN THOSE
ATTACHED TO LARGE "CLOSE" FAMILIES: THESE TAKE
MUCH LONGER. YES, R.H., IF
YOU DO NOT MANIFEST AT THIS STAGE IT IS UNLIKELY
THAT YOU WILL LATER.
HOWEVER, WE KNOW OF A FEW SOULS WHO HAVE NOT.
HAVING YOUR ROLE MANIFEST AND
SEARCHING FOR ENLIGHTENMENT ARE QUITE DIFFERENT.
BABY WARRIORS DO NOT SEARCH
BUT THEY DO MANIFEST. [On the other hand,] THERE
IS NO MAGIC AGE FOR
BEGINNING TO SEARCH [spiritually] — WE ARE NOW
WORKING WITH AN OCTOGENARIAN
WHO HAS JUST BEGUN.
RH: RB told me I would not become conscious in
We tried to place BT as to Bodytype, etc. RH
thought he was a Mars-Jupiter,
late cycle Mature Warrior.
BT: May I have my soul level and Role?
THIS IS A FIFTH LEVEL MATURE KING WHO HAS BEEN
HAVING DIFFICULTIES ACCEPTING
SUBORDINATE ROLES. MARS AND JUPITER DO COME INTO
BT: During the war I was in an airplane with ten
other guys, and we were hit
by enemy fire. The plane went down, with seven
of us surviving. Why did
three of the men not get out? Why did I survive?
IT WAS PART OF KARMA FOR THEM TO DIE THIS WAY.
YOU SHOULD HAVE SURVIVED, AND
WOULD HAVE EVEN IF YOUR [para]CHUTE HAD NOT
EM: In regards to my last question: my purpose
for being and karma, and
searching for truth — but I feel I have failed.
THE DISCOURAGEMENT IS A GOOD SIGN. THOSE WHO ARE
COMPLACENT ABOUT THEIR
STATUS ARE NO LONGER SEARCHING. THERE IS NO
PLACE FOR COMPLACENCY IN THIS
SEARCH. THE REWARDS ARE THE DOORS THAT ARE
OPENING TO YOU NOW, E.M. WE
RECOGNIZE THE FRUSTRATION. THIS ALWAYS
ACCOMPANIES A PLATEAU STAGE. THIS
WILL DISSIPATE AS YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT FLIGHT.
IT IS LIKE A LANDING ON AN
EM: I have a lack of energy after work, and have
seen some television
programs on pyramidology. Is this valid or
OH, YES, IT IS VALID. DON'T YOU SEE THE
PARALLELS IN THIS TEACHING?
EM: My mother claims from time to time she feels
a spirit — feels a weight.
Is this imagination on her part, or real?
WE ARE NOT CERTAIN. IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT
SHE IS FEELING THE PRESENCE
OF ASTRAL ENTITIES. WE WILL FOLLOW OUT ON THIS.
IF THEY ARE ANNOYING HER WE
WILL TAKE THEM AWAY.
Following this we had a general meeting, and
began a general fund to help in
paying the costs of typing minutes, Xeroxing
material, etc. We discussed the
initiation of a manual, to help new students
understand the material. We
then asked for a comment from Michael.
THIS WAS GOOD WORK. THE WAY IN WHICH IT WAS
DONE, OF COURSE, SAYS A GREAT
DEAL ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE GROUP. ALREADY THE
CHARISMA HAS HAD ITS EFFECT.
AMAZING. THE GROUP NOW HAS MORE EXALTED SOULS
THAN ORIGINALLY. THESE PEOPLE
BRING DYNAMICISM, AND CAUSE CERTAIN THINGS TO
HAPPEN MERELY BY THEIR
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