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December 13,
1973
13 December
1973
Walnut Creek
Present: PJ, EE (new), T (new), AH, A, SB, BF
and RF, EC and JC, CH, CS, EM,
SC, ES. RF acted as organizer of the evening.
RF: Is anyone here with us tonight?
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
ES: My sister-in-law, E, has had a personality
change, and would like help
from Michael in adjusting to her present state
of mind. Does Michael have
any advice as to how she can handle this?
WE THINK THAT THE LADY E. WOULD BENEFIT BY
FINALLY ALLOTTING A PORTION OF
HER DAY TO HERSELF. SHE CAN USE THIS FOR QUIET
CONTEMPLATION, OR MORE
VIGOROUS ACTIVITY, AS SHE WISHES. RIGHT NOW THE
SPECIFIC MODE DOES NOT
MATTER. IT IS THE SELF-KNOWLEDGE THAT MATTERS.
SHE IS NOT WELL ACQUAINTED
WITH HERSELF. LATER THOSE MODALITIES SUCH AS
MEDITATION WILL HELP, BUT FOR
NOW E. NEEDS TO START THINKING IN TERMS OF SELF.
SHE MUST LEARN TO RECOGNIZE
HER OWN GOALS APART FROM THE GOALS OF HER
FRIENDS AND FAMILY. THIS WILL BE
HARD FOR HER.
ES: My wife works with a lady who has a son with
high blood pressure on one
side of his body, and low pressure on the other.
Could Michael give us some
advice to help? It's sort of been thought he has
some type of obstruction,
maybe aortic.
THE OBSTRUCTION IS NOT AORTIC BUT IS SERIOUS. IT
IS CONGENITAL. YES, HE
COULD BE HELPED. PERHAPS THE MAN N.S. COULD
HELP.
BF: What about my children, J and J.? I would
like to know their soul level
and Role.
J.F. AND J.F. ARE BOTH MATURE SOULS. THE
YOUNGEST IS THE OLDEST AT SIXTH
LEVEL. J.F. IS A WARRIOR, J.F. IS A SCHOLAR.
BF: Could there be a transmission error there?
It seems backwards to me.
THIS MAY BE AN ERROR, THE YOUNGER BOY IS THE
SCHOLAR.
BF: And what is JF's soul level?
FOURTH LEVEL.
EM: I would like to ask how long the strike at
work is going to last.
THAT DEPENDS ON THE BABY SOUL WHO IS CHAIRING
THE NEGOTIATIONS.
AH: I would like to ask about two men, Thomas
Szaz, who seems to me like an
older level Scholar, and Claudio Naranjo, who
seems like a Mature soul.
Also, I would like to know if Scholars, or
older, higher ranking souls,
articulate better, or can get people's attention
better.
THE MAN THOMAS IS A YOUNG SAGE. ALL SAGES ARE
ARTICULATE, SOME MORE THAN
OTHERS. THE MAN CLAUDIO IS AN OLD SCHOLAR.
SCHOLARS SOMETIMES HAVE
DIFFICULTY EXPRESSING THEMSELVES IN AN ERUDITE
FASHION. THE KNOWLEDGE IS
THERE BUT THERE IS A MISCONNECTION BETWEEN
CEREBRUM AND VOCAL CORDS.
AH: I would like to know if, when we "experience
life", it is necessary to
incarnate into each Bodytype, each Center
(Moving, Emotional and
Intellectual), and Roles. And then, if we don't
learn something do we have
to go over the same thing again?
CS: Could we include astrological influence in
that too?
AH: Well, anything that matters, that counts,
yeah.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY VALID. IT IS POSSIBLE TO
EXPERIENCE ALL OF LIFE FROM ONE
BODYTYPE, BUT THE EXPERIENCE IS RICHER IF THE
CHANGE IS MADE. MOST SOULS DO
CHOOSE DIFFERENT DATES OF BIRTH. THAT GIVES THE
NECESSARY CHANGE IN
PLANETARY INFLUENCE. IT IS NECESSARY THAT LIFE
BE EXPERIENCED BOTH AS MALE
AND FEMALE IN THE DIFFERENT SETTINGS. THIS IS
THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR, AND
THE ONE THAT BRINGS THE MONADS TOGETHER.
CENTERING IS IMPORTANT ALSO, AND
MOST LATE CYCLE OLD SOULS CHOOSE EMOTIONALLY
CENTERED BODIES, AS THIS IS THE
CENTER EASIEST TO WORK WITH.
JC: I would like to know how long the Ouija
board has been used, and what
other forms of communication can be used.
WE COMMUNICATE IN MANY WAYS WITH MANY PEOPLE. WE
HAVE NOT BEEN IN A PHYSICAL
BODY FOR ALMOST FIFTEEN HUNDRED YEARS.
JC: Okay, and how long has the Ouija been used,
and what other means of
communication are possible?
WE HAVE COMMUNICATED THIS WAY [Ouija board] FOR
APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED
YEARS. WE COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH ALL THOSE
[of our true] STUDENTS WHO
HAVE MASTERED THE SKILL OF ASTRAL TRAVEL. WE ARE
WILLING TO USE HYPNOSIS FOR
INDUCTION OF TRANCES, BUT TRANSMEDIUMS [sic] WHO
CAN GO INTO TRANCES
SPONTANEOUSLY ARE EASIER TO WORK WITH. THERE ARE
DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEDIUMS.
BF: Can Michael tell us where other groups are
located, and are working with
them? Would it be worthwhile to contact other
groups in contact with
Michael?
ES: They won't give that to you. I don't think
they will because it isn't
necessary.
E.S. IS RIGHT: WE WON'T. ACTUALLY, YOURS IS THE
ONLY ORGANIZED GROUP VOID OF
SUFFICIENT BIAS FOR US SO TRANSMIT TO. THERE ARE
OTHER STUDENTS, EITHER IN
VERY SMALL GROUPS OF TWO OR THREE INDIVIDUALS,
OR SINGLE SOULS IN SEARCH. WE
ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO GIVE ADVICE TO THE
LOVELORN. THE LADY ABIGAIL
[VanBuren] DOES THAT ADMIRABLY.
T: Can Michael tell me why I have the feeling I
have been in Spain or in
Moorish civilizations?
BECAUSE YOU HAVE. THE ROAD YOU REMEMBER WAS A
ROAD CONNECTING TOLEDO WITH
MADRID DURING THE LATTER PART OF THE FIRST
CENTURY.
T: Now that's interesting! I do remember a road,
and buildings and things.
Can you tell me any more?
THE ROAD WAS A GOOD ONE, BUILT BY ROMAN
ENGINEERS. PART OF IT IS STILL
PASSABLE TODAY.
EE: Could Michael give me my soul level and
Role?
THIS MAN IS A SECOND LEVEL OLD SOUL, A SAGE. OF
INTEREST IS THE FACT THAT HE
HAS ALWAYS ENJOYED THE OUT-OF-DOORS IN ALL
PREVIOUS LIVES. HE HAS BEEN AN
ORNITHOLOGIST, A FUR TRAPPER, AND A MISSIONARY.
PJ: A. needs to know his soul level and Role,
and I would like to know my
son E's soul level and Role.
THIS BOY IS A MATURE SOUL, FOURTH LEVEL;
ARTISAN.
A: Could I have my soul level and Role?
THIS MAN A. IS A MATURE SAGE, SEVENTH LEVEL.
CS: What is so impressive about Sages? Why are
there ooh's and aah's every
time we find out someone is a Sage? I'd like
some more information about
Sages, and how to identify them.
YOU YOURSELVES DECIDED THAT SAGES ARE
IMPRESSIVE. WE DID NOT SAY THAT. IN A
WAY YOU ARE RIGHT, SINCE THEY USUALLY MANAGE TO
CALL ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES
DURING THE COURSE OF A MEETING. THE MALE SAGES
HAVE A TENDENCY TO HAVE A
RATHER REGAL BEARING, SOMEWHAT LIKE A KING. THE
LADY PHYLLIS DILLER IS A
YOUNG SAGE — MOST COMEDIANS ARE.
CS: What are the soul levels and Roles of my
sons T and J?
THE OLDEST BOY IS A MATURE SCHOLAR; THE YOUNGEST
A BABY SAGE.
CS: Is there some type of automatic conflict
between Artisans and Sages? Do
they not relate well?
MOST OF THE TIME THEY DO [relate well].
CS: Then why is there a conflict between the
youngest boy, a young [soul]
Sage, and me (an Old soul Artisan)?
THE SOUL LEVEL IS IN CONFLICT. THIS IS A VERY
BAD COMBINATION.
RF: Is EE part of my Fragmented Entity?
NO.
RF: I've been reading a lot of David Hume's
writings, and I can't seem to
understand some parts of it. What I want to know
is, if Hume is part of my
Fragment, then why can't I understand something
I wrote before?
THE SEMANTICS ARE THROWING YOU OFF. YOU
RECOGNIZE MANY SIMILAR THOUGHTS. YOU
MUST REMEMBER THE AGE IN WHICH YOU WERE LIVING
THEN. STARTLING CONCEPTS WERE
INTRODUCED CAUTIOUSLY AND WITH MUCH RESERVATION,
SOMETIMES CLOAKED IN
OBSCURITY, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE RECOGNIZED
FOR WHAT THEY WERE BY
HOSTILE SOULS. ENGLAND WAS AN ABSOLUTE MONARCHY
THEN.
We all decided to take a break.
CH: Was it Michael I was getting on the
typewriter last night?
THE ENTITY WITH WHOM YOU WERE COMMUNICATING WAS
A HIGH ASTRAL BODY.
CH: Oh, then who was it?
THESE ENTITIES ARE CALLED BY DIFFERENT NAMES.
THE ONLY REASON YOU CALL US
"MICHAEL" IS THAT WE INFORMED YOU THAT ONE OF
OUR FRAGMENTS WAS NAMED
"MICHAEL". "GREGARIOUS", "EUTYCHUS", OR "MARCUS"
WOULD HAVE DONE AS WELL;
ALSO "NAOMI", "BENJAMIN", OR ANY OTHER OF THE
SEVERAL THOUSAND NAMES THIS
ENTITY HAS BEEN KNOWN BY IN THE PAST.
AH: Oh, well, isn't all of the knowledge [coming
from the planes above the
physical] the same?
NO, A.H., THE KNOWLEDGE IS NOT ALL THE SAME.
THERE ARE SOME "BLITHE" SPIRITS
ON THE ASTRAL PLANE WHO WILL WASTE YOUR ENTIRE
EVENING IF YOU WILL ALLOW IT.
CH: I would like to know if I've ever been a
priest in life. (Her Role is
Priest.)
YES, YOU WERE THE BENEDICTINE. THIS WAS A LONG
TIME AGO. MORE RECENTLY YOU
WERE AT THE HOSPICE OF SAINT BERNARD.
CH: What information can Michael give me about
previous lives as a
philosophy teacher?
YOU TAUGHT IN THE BEST [schools]. THERE WERE TWO
SCHOOLS PROMINENT AT THE
TIME: THE PYTHAGOREAN, AND THE ARISTOTELIAN. YOU
WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
FORMER, WHICH WAS ANOTHER OCCUPATION IN ESSENCE
FOR YOU, AS THE PYTHAGOREAN
SCHOOL IS CONCERNED WITH THE HEALTH OF THE SOUL.
THE CITY WAS THEBES.
CH: Can I ask what my name was?
THEODORUS EPIPHANOS.
EC: Could I ask for the soul level and Role of a
friend of mine, J, and find
out about her previous lives?
THIS LADY IS A THIRD LEVEL YOUNG SOUL, A
SCHOLAR. SHE HAS BEEN A TEACHER,
AND SHE HAS BEEN A DAIRY FARMER IN HOLLAND. SHE
WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINATORS
OF THE GUERNSEY CATTLE. THEY WERE LATER
TRANSPORTED TO BRITAIN.
SB: I've been having a lot more insights lately,
and psychic experiences,
and I'd like to know the cause.
YOU ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS.
SB: I just finished reading a book about
Christ's time, and I was identified
with the period of time, and Him, and with St.
Luke's mother. Was I around
at that time?
YOU WERE AROUND. THE REASON THE IDENTIFICATION
IS SO STRONG IS BECAUSE YOU
LIVED IN ANTIOCH. THE DEJA VU IS FOR THE CITY,
NOT THE LADY, EXCEPT YOU WERE
ALSO AN EXPATRIATE. WE REALLY HATE TO SAY THIS,
BUT [you were] A GREEK.
A: I would like to ask if I should continue
living in my present dichotomy,
or change my life style and pattern?
IF YOU DO NOT MAKE A CHANGE SOONER OR LATER, YOU
WILL MAKE THE TRANSITION
WITH THE SPLIT INTACT. HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT
NECESSARILY WRONG WORK. YOU LEAD
AN INTERESTING LIFE, A. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WITH
US BEFORE, BUT KNOW NOW THAT
ALL CHOICES MUST ULTIMATELY BE MADE BY YOU. WE
WOULD SAY THAT YOU SHOULD BE
GOVERNED IN THIS MATTER BY INTUITION RATHER THAN
LOGIC.
BF: I would like to know the soul level and Role
of my brother, C. Also, I
would like to know the reason for our conflicts
during teen and adult years.
THE CONFLICT HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH ROLES. THIS
MAN IS BOUND TO YOU BOTH BY
KARMA AND BY THE FACT THAT YOU ARE FRAGMENTS OF
THE SAME ENTITY. THIS HAS
GIVEN THE SO-CALLED "TWIN SOUL" PHENOMENON. YOU
WOULD FEEL THIS LACK. THIS
MAN IS NOW UNABLE TO GIVE. HE HAS IN THE PAST.
THE PROBLEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN
ONE OF NONRECIPROCAL EMOTION BETWEEN THESE TWO
FRAGMENTS. THIS HAS CAUSED
THEM TO BE BORN AGAIN AND AGAIN WITHIN THE SAME
FAMILY, WHICH IS EXCEEDINGLY
RARE. THIS RELATIONSHIP CAN ONLY CHANGE WITH
INSIGHT ON HIS PART, AND WE
DOUBT IT [will happen]. THIS PLAY MAY HAVE TO BE
REPEATED ANOTHER TIME, FOR
THE DESIRE WILL REMAIN UNFULFILLED AGAIN.
BF: What is C's soul level and Role?
THIS MAN, LIKE YOU, IS AN ARTISAN OUT OF
ESSENCE. HE IS A SIXTH LEVEL MATURE
SOUL.
PJ: Have T and I lived together before? Do we
share any Fragments?
YOU ARE NOT FRAGMENTS OF THE SAME ENTITY, BUT T.
HAS BEEN WITH YOU ALL
BEFORE. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE ALL ATTRACTED TO
EACH OTHER.
RF: Have we all lived together before?
THAT ATTRACTION IS SOMETIMES NOT POSITIVE, BUT
IS THERE NEVERTHELESS. IT
KEEPS YOU COMING BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN.
PJ: Where were we all together before, and when?
R.H. AND R.C., S.T AND S.B., S.C., A.H., P.J.,
C.S., E.S., YOUNG R.H.[Jr.],
K.H., AND D.C. WERE TOGETHER IN BABYLONIA; THEN
B.F. AND R.F JOINED UP IN
ROME. E.C. WAS ALSO ALIVE AT THAT TIME. SOME OF
YOU WERE IN SYRIA-PALESTINE,
AND SOME IN ROME. T. WAS WITH YOU FOR THE FIRST
TIME IN PORTUGAL, AS WAS
E.M.. C.H. AND M.H. WERE FIRST WITH YOU IN ROME,
E.T. IN ROME, AND IN
SYRIA-PALESTINE WITH THE OTHERS. MOST OF YOU
WERE IN FRANCE AT THE LAST OF
THE EIGHTEENTH CENTURY, EXCEPT FOR R.F., WHO WAS
ACROSS THE CHANNEL, AND
B.F.
EM: I would like to know what happened to the
Mayans; and if there was an
Atlantis, what happened to the civilization?
LIKE ALL OTHER GREAT CIVILIZATIONS, THE MAYAN'S
BECAME COMPLACENT IN THEIR
SUPERIORITY, AND ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE
CONQUERED BY BARBARIANS WHO DID
NOT APPRECIATE THEIR PHILOSOPHY OR THEIR
ASTRONOMY, BUT DID LIKE THEIR GOLD.
YES, E.M., THERE WAS AN ATLANTIS. NATURAL
DISASTERS DESTROYED BOTH THE
ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC CIVILIZATIONS, FIFTY AND
THIRTY THOUSAND YEARS AGO,
RESPECTIVELY
EM: What happened to Atlantis?
VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS AND TIDAL WAVES.
JC: I was told I was the Mayor of Orleans at the
time of Joan of Arc. Did I
have anything to do with her trial and
execution?
OH, YES, YOU WERE VERY MUCH INVOLVED, EVEN IF
YOU WERE ONLY A TOWN OFFICIAL.
YOU FOLLOWED HER CAREER WITH GREAT INTEREST, AND
WHEN INQUIRIES WERE MADE BY
THE INTERROGATORS, YOU SUPPLIED THEM ALL OF THE
INFORMATION CONCERNING HER
EARLIER YEARS. YOU FELT THAT SHE HAD BEEN
SCANDALOUS IN HER BEHAVIOR, AND
ATTRIBUTED IT TO HER BEING A PEASANT AND OF
ROUGH STOCK.
ES: I have been reluctant to get involved in the
extra-consciousness,
out-of-body experience phenomenon. Is this from
fear?
IT IS MERELY THE SAME OLD FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN.
FOR ONE THING, E.S., YOU ARE
NOT TOO SURE THAT YOU EVEN BELIEVE IN ASTRAL
PROJECTION. YOU DO NOT NEED
THIS EXPERIENCE. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, AND
ALSO EXHILARATING, BUT WE
REPEAT: IT IS NOT IMPERATIVE THAT YOU DO THIS.
T: I would like to know more about the roads to
Madrid, and what fire has to
do with my past lives
FIRE CAME LATER, AT THE TIME THAT MOST OF YOU
WERE LIVING IN SPAIN AND
PORTUGAL. THIS WAS A COMMON PUNISHMENT FOR
ESPOUSING UNPOPULAR RELIGIOUS
BELIEFS. YOUR SISTER WAS AMONG THE VICTIMS OF
THE INQUISITION.
The meeting ended at this point, and CS worked
the Ouija board, for SC to
ask questions. CH, SB, AH, SC and CS were still
present.
SC: I had a very vivid dream a week or so ago,
in which this young man, who
was very serious looking, not handsome, but
clear-appearing male, spoke to
me, and said, "Don't believe what history said
about me". I would like to
know if my impression of who this was is
correct; and also, if history is
right. (Her impression was that the man was
Julius Germanicus Gaicus.)
THIS IS THE PROPER NAME FOR THE FRAGMENT AT THAT
TIME. THE "DREAM" YOU HAD
WAS NOT A DREAM. HAD ANYONE SEEN YOU AT THE TIME
OF THE VISION, YOUR EYES
WERE OPEN. YOU SHOULD EXPERIENCE THIS MORE OFTEN
NOW THAT YOU RECOGNIZE IT
FOR WHAT IT IS. GOOD WORK IS IN THE MAKING.
THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER SOULS
WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU IN
ORDER TO IMPART THEIR STORIES
TO YOU. YOU WILL BE QUITE BUSY WITH ALL OF THIS
WRITING. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO
VALIDATE TOO MUCH OF THE INFORMATION. IT CANNOT
BE RESEARCHED, BECAUSE
HISTORY HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN ACCURATE, AS YOU
HAVE SEEN. NOT UNTIL LATER WILL
THE TRUTH BE KNOWN. YOU WILL BE RECEIVING MUCH
INFORMATION FROM SPIRIT
GUIDES. THEY WILL HELP YOU COMMUNICATE THE
MESSAGE YOU WISH TO GIVE OTHERS.
THERE MAY BE SOME DIFFICULTY WITH PUBLICATION AT
FIRST, AND THEN CONTROLS
WILL BEGIN AND THINGS WILL ROLL ALONG. YOU
SHOULD HEAR REGARDING YOUR OTHER
BOOK. THIS WILL BE GOOD WORK ALSO. THE MESSAGE
FROM THE PUBLISHER WILL BE
GOOD. POSITIVE VIBRATIONS ARE EXUDING FROM YOU
NOW, AND SHOULD CONTINUE.
THEREFORE, YOUR IMMEDIATE FUTURE IS EXTREMELY
ENHANCING. YOU CAN DO ONLY
RIGHT FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
SC: Did Livia poison all of the people that
historians claim? I just can't
accept all of that about this little old lady
for some reason.
NO, THE HISTORIANS ARE REACHING A LONG WAY ON
THAT ONE. THERE WAS ANOTHER
FEMALE WHO DID POISON THREE. THE OTHERS WERE
COINCIDENTAL BECAUSE OF OTHER
KARMIC INFLUENCES. ONE DIED OF CORONARY
OCCLUSION AND TWO DIED OF CHOLERA.
THESE WERE BELIEVED TO BE POISONING. AUTOPSIES
WERE NOT PERFORMED BECAUSE OF
POLITICAL MANAGEMENT AND INFLUENCES TO CONDEMN
THE LADY IN QUESTION.
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