<Michael_Toth> We are
with you tonight. We greet all of you present. We note that many of you
are drawn to these teachings from varied perspectives, from often
disparate disciplines including no disciplines at all, at least none that
are apparent. Often, when in contact with many of our students we note the
continued reference to this teaching as another form or discipline of
spirituality. We wish to gently remind you that these teachings are more
directly related to a method of living and understanding yourselves and
the world around you. Spirituality and its practices are often involved
with ritual, requirements, faith, and the observance of special ways of
living or thinking. As we have said before there are those fragments who
will choose paths of spirituality rather than to deal with who they are
and what the world is about. These paths often provide the illusion of
growth and comprehension rather than its actual experience. Others of you
will seek the truth, their own truth in these teachings to assess and
validate or throw out altogether. And as we have also said before, and in
so many ways, we are not that, and we are not “the way.” We offer insight
as opposed to dogma. Therein, quite frequently, is the difference between
what we offer and what spirituality offers. You are of course free to
choose whichever path you are drawn to as there is choice and the
opportunity for growth. As much as we are capable of encouraging anything,
we, without exception, encourage choice. Spiritual paths, on closer
inspection and, as a general rule, have more to do with fitting in with
both societal and cultural conditions. We are not a path of spiritual
enlightenment, although that is how some of you continue to perceive us
and explain to others what this teaching is about. Devout attention to
spirituality can prevent one from achieving wakefulness, which is the very
reason such a path was taken. Some of you in this “chat” room this evening
are drawn to this teaching because it is perceived as novel, rare,
unusual, exotic, esoteric, even because it can be considered occult. Some
have had barely glimpsed one tenth of the material available and while
seeking more understanding spend little time inculcating it, and expecting
others to show them “the way.” These teachings are the most useful, we
have observed, when studied, and more importantly, applied to one’s daily
life through the eyes of the skeptic, through observation of the choices
and consequences on the physical plane and simply lived. This is only our
observation and not a set of rules that are meant to govern anyone in any
way. With this teaching there is work to be done once that space of
consciousness is arrived at, it is not required of course, simply
recommended. We note that among those present there is a curiosity, a
sense of passionate exploration, a quiet intensity. This is a good energy
to be present in for all. It is now time to begin your questions…
Q & A
<kimberly> Thanks Michael & Michael’s. My husband David has MS, and while
we were, in theory, prepared for the physical symptoms of this disease,
the cognitive ones are totally creaming us. Any guidance Michael can offer
regarding relating with these challenges I'd greatly appreciate.
There is a great need for patience in both of you. Cognitive disorders
such as they are mean an extreme change in doing business as usual when
the changes continue to deepen in their expression or due to lack of
expression this becomes more difficult, the escalation begs the question
"How much longer? How many more changes? How will these problems increase
or settle out over time? Acceptance, patience, tolerance, forbearance
would be key poles, ideals and expressions in this changing situation.
Simply dealing with all of this is strenuous enough without the other day
to day decisions and actions/considerations. Changes in every aspect of
life will most certainly take place as a result. But you both have the
methods and the means to accomplish this. Remember, as in everything new,
what one might call baby steps is the place to begin. Both of you must be
supportive also of each others efforts, sense of failure, loss of pride.
Alas, there is much work here, but the benefits gained over time are to be
had and will provide new insights. As life on the physical plane is all of
choice, those are the choices before you both. Weighed against the sense
of loss makes this difficult to consume. For what it is worth we are with
the both of you.
oh thank you so much, all that means a great deal to me.
You are welcome.
Dianne, you're next...
<dianne44> I feel for Kimberly and her husband!! Much love to you both!!
<dianne44> In a recent past life channeling, you told me this: Sorry, can
you tell me about my guides? Do I have one who might have a shamanic
The shamanic energy you perceive is more of past life experiences for you.
Of your guides each of them as experienced what could be called shamanic
lifetimes and experiences.
<dianne44> how many do I have then?
The overwhelming sense is of your own experiences, over a number of former
<dianne44> I feel someone....
There are 12 of note with several as apprentices and more of lower levels
<dianne44> is there one who is more assertive?
It is sometimes difficult to ascribe something one finds difficult to
believe about oneself. There is a sense that the guide that is more
closely tied to the spirit of horses that brings you this intensity. You
will find this guide at times near at hand, and occasionally distant from
you. As we have also told you, you have been guides for your guides on
many occasions as well.
<dianne44> ok, is this one my writer then? and that’s all, thanks
The bleed through should be obvious, but we will validate your experience
of this. And acknowledge that you can feel the connection.
<dianne44> thanks Michael.
<DaveGregg> Barbara H, you're next...
I am having periods where I feel unusually present, but also very
uncomfortable and disconnected. Can you give me some insight into what is
Often students ask what is the meaning of such an experience. It often
occurs and is involved with the experience of enlightenment. How is it
best achieved they ask? We would best characterize enlightenment as
something a fragment achieves in gaining temporary access to higher
centers, and what insights, knowledge and often experience are gained that
allows the fragment to achieve wisdom. Once a fragment is awake and
conscious s/he will note a marked recognition that they begin to manifest
their soul age inwardly and their role in essence outwardly and that this
inward manifestation will be apparent in the adaptations the role in
essence takes on. The wakeful fragment will begin to take the steps
necessary to integrate the personality with essence, the goal of which is
that it will take responsibility for its life. It will be defined by
periods of intensity followed and punctuated by periods of restless,
detachment and a deep quiet. They will often cease to identify with those
around them, because they know that in identifying they run the risk, by
virtue of prolonged acceptance of who they are identifying with can become
their identity. Measures are taken to guard against this, and after it has
occured over a length of time these newer measures and experiences of
intensity versus quiet contemplation, even to disconnect, are chosen to
give oneself the time and space to reflect, to step away from that which
is contemplated. Often such fragments begin to take risks, the risk in
truly becoming who they are from what they are made of, by breaking
through personal limitations and challenges otherwise shied away from.
Symmetry will be achieved in all aspects but more apparently in the use of
centers, which again, doesn’t just happen and is best defined as a work in
progress. Fragments, such as yourself, on this path often become more
effective, not in the sense of becoming a star, or obscenely wealthy, or
in becoming heads of state, for that is not the goal is it? The ability to
be more effective in life is in knowing who and what you are and
comprehending who and what everyone else around you is, and from that
deciding what to think, feel and do next. Eventually, awakened fragments
will begin to remember the Tao, as much as can be remembered while
incarnate on the physical plane. These areas, this state of wakeful
consciousness that we speak of, should it need to be said, are experienced
in different ways, by different fragments at different soul cycles as well
as the levels within a cycle, and of course at different periods of their
lives. There is only the unknowing that displaces you Barbara. Nothing
more, and as time passes you will conclude what you do from what you have
experienced and contemplated. From there it is only short steps to
achieving wisdom of those things you face and consider. There are always
newer and newer lessons.
Thank you. I will consider this.
You are welcome. Validate everything Barbara, take nothing at face value
or on belief or faith. That is not an order of course, simply a strong
Yung, you're next...
Hi, Michael and Michael. I am Yung Yung. I know I have agreement to take
care of my brother, Ping, who is diabetic and addicts to alcohol. Do I
also have agreement to take care of my youngest brother, Anan, who is a
brain damaged 2nd level baby warrior?
The agreements you speak of are either taken on or abdicated. It is a
matter of choice whether or not you choose to step forward and fulfill
these agreements, be they made here or on the astral. Does it matter truly
Yung Yung whether there are agreements made or not? What does your heart,
intellect and instinct tell you? Will you do this out of duty, whatever
you take on? Or is it out of a sense of choice. These are hard questions
to ask of oneself and sort out. But that is the nature of where you are.
They are very hard questions and filled with all of the attachment and
love of family, as well as all of the fear, the potential for shame and
guilt. As you step into the circle of knowing, having stepped
forward from the circles of doubt, the war waged between what about this
situation is right or wrong, as there is no right or wrong, what will you
decide? What choice will be distilled from this process?
don't know what to do...
No one can nor should they attempt to tell you what to do, what you must
do, should do/shouldn’t do and what you must not do. This is another
matter of pure choice. Seeking counsel would be wise from those around
you, from friends and associates, from health care workers who do take
care of those so afflicted. Gathering information is the right best next
choice. There is more to know Yung Yung. And it is best that you know as
much as you can before you make those choices. We, everyone of us have
been on the physical plane. We have all faced situations of this nature,
some were harder than others, some easier. Some of us lived to regret
those choices. There is also the thought to be considered that making a
choice does not make that choice changeable in the future. Your sense of
duty is strong. When the oxygen masks come down in an airplane would you
take a mask and drink from its oxygen first? Or would you try to make sure
everyone else has theirs? Often, if you don't provide yourself with
enough, you will be of little help to anyone else. Is this not so? Rely on
others, especially those who give you truths you can use rather than
trying to say to you what they think you wish to hear. We have all of us
existed in lives facing similar decisions as we have said. So have you,
and that is another source you may call upon form your own past lives both
as the caretaker and the one taken care of. Gather your information, and
find the time to step away from it to change perspectives. You know we
will not tell you what to do. It is about your choice and we offer you
this. You will do what you choose, once you have made that choice you will
stand by it. But you might also think about giving yourself permission to
change your mind, as along the way, you may discover alternatives not yet
seen or countenanced. That could prove beneficial and offering greater
freedom and a sense of doing the best that you feel you have to and can.
We wish you the best as you undertake these considerations, and decisions.
Thank you, Michael and Michael
<DaveGregg> Santi, you're next...
Thanks Dave... Michael, I have a plan to change my job to be a TV script
writer. Does it match with my life task / true works?
While it is our experience that those taking the first steps toward wisdom
would prefer not to be told we offer you this. Fragments in consciousness
know that as a result of being told what they will/should do, And will be
thinking about it, some will slip back into un-wakefulness, the former
will know that if they end up doing what they were told, they may become
resentful, and may come to feel as if they didn’t have a choice. Others
could choose to feel guilt and remorse if they do not pursue and achieve
what they were told to and by implication, should do. But there is more to
tell you. As we have said before, we encourage choice. As it is apparent
you are asking yourself those same questions. We will tell you that it is
as likely that you would fulfill your life task by taking on any number of
choices as regards employment and career. Some fragments are delighted
when their career choices match what they have also chosen as a life task.
Others do not see that it was the silent at times unconscious knowing that
the careers they chose were perhaps as a result of the silent whispers
from higher self what the life task is and the nudges and urges or sense
of being drawn to something is a fulfillment of how the fragment perceives
these messages from essence through higher self. You, Santi, could choose
to do many things for your career and continue to fulfill your life task.
You could choose different locations on your planet and achieve them with
higher and lesser degrees of influence. > You could choose to be
lackluster in your career. All of these are choices you make and you
decide. You could choose a life of quiet contemplation and live in a cave
and still accomplish some of what your life task is about. Yet you also
know that it is better served being among all the rest of those on the
physical plane. Can you see this?
We bid you the validation that there is a great measure of parallel
between your life task and career.
Ok, thank you Michael.
<DaveGregg> Ann, you're next...
had a strong interest in Tudor history as a child, especially Henry VIII
and Elizabeth I. Did I have a lifetime then, and if so, a little info?
There are 3 lives of note in regard to this time period. All three were
also in England. In the first life, you were a man of influence and not in
London, but played a very small role in the great upheaval surrounding
Richard the Third. Later you were a guard in the King's court for Henry,
not of the inner circle of guards but close enough to be aware of the
politics and some of the behind the scenes activity in both the personal
side, the speculation, rumor mill, and trying to remain gainfully
employed. Lastly, you were a chamber maid nearer to the time of
Elizabeth’s death, and this was to a woman of the court who bears the same
name you bear today Anne. One of your concurrents was influential in the
courts of Spain during Elizabeth's rule.
Heh. Must not have liked it much. I'm much more sympathetic to Elizabeth
I than Philip of Spain. thank you!
<DaveGregg> Chilada, you're next...
Hello Michael/Michael. In regards to my own awakening/evolution, could
Michael help me understand any unique obstacles I may be facing in moving
forward and how can I navigate around these?
Angela, we commend you first of all for seeking a teaching worthy of your
quest and questions. Your youth and the recent choices as regard chief
features as much as you know about them and can identify them for their
appearance and influence it would be recommended as they have great
bearing over the coming years prior to your engagement in the 4th IM. You
had many choices whether conscious or not to be drawn to this teaching.
You have an agreement with us. So it is not so surprising that you are
here among us.
What kind of agreement?
Your agreement was to discover this teaching and to pursue it, as long as
it serves you to do so, or not at all. As for there being any unique
obstacles, we say this. Everyone has unique obstacles to pursuing a
teaching of this nature. None of those obstacles arise from outside of you
and are best determined by you. Some would see obstacles where you see
none even as we speak. You will most likely create your own set of unique
obstacles and it is also likely that you will create pathways that allow
you to perceive more and more should you persevere. There is no navigating
around them. The way is through, taking in all that you can in making your
decisions and in coming to your conclusions. There is no large sheet of
plastic for anyone with the footprints laid out to follow. All ahead of
you is choice. As all behind you, was enculturation by family and society
and choice. All fragments make their way, their own way. There are
agreements, karmic ribbons to burn and to be repaid for. There is the
option of creating newer karmic ribbons. Those are the unique obstacles
and pitfalls AND the opportunities that lie ahead. The only way we say
again is into and through it. At the same time, you can choose to abrogate
your own choice, to choose what you perceive as positive or choose its
polar opposite. Or do nothing at all. But again if you wish to proceed
with anything the road leads down the middle. Along the way, you will
perceive shifts, and you will develop skills and beliefs that are there
for the keeping, or there for the changing. The way ahead should be
<DaveGregg> Bobby, you're next...
I would like to inquire about my dad. He is having some physical issues
that his doctor suspects might be colon cancer. Can you confirm or deny
that and is this related to his undergoing the 6th Internal Monad?
The physical experience involves more than the experience of the onset of
cancer. We perceive a lesion at the hepatic flexure as your physicians
call it. There is also diverticulitis and ulceration. Your father has been
hard on himself internalizing much. The body listens to the mind as you
all must know. The cells listen to what the mind, the intellect, the
emotions are saying doing and feeling. Repressed anger, and its
charismatic release are known to you. We can also confirm that while this
is part of the experience of the 6th IM, it had also begun many years ago.
Certainly there have been gains in his understanding of self and the
world. But there has been illusion, and unfulfilled expectations. As close
as you are to him and have been on and off should confirm this and be of
This is not good news but, I am grateful to you for sharing this
information. Thank you
We know information like this is difficult to receive. Perhaps in the
future Bobby you might wish to ask these privately of a channel.
I'm fine, really, and thanks much.
<DaveGregg> Kathryn, you're next...
<Kathryn41> I am curious about any concurrents my essence has 'out there'
- how many, where, age, occupation - any little 'tidbits' that my
curiosity might find of interest
You currently have 2. There were 3 until earlier this year and we suggest
you reflect back to a time of internal unpleasantness, a sense of loss you
experienced that was concurrent (laughter) with his passing. One is a
young man attending school on the Danau near a large city called Wagram.
The other is a middle aged priest in the Vatican serving several others of
higher office. He is not attended to by any experiences with small boys
should the Roman Catholic Church be brought up. You would most likely not
recognize either of them, though they have appeared in dreams
occasionally. But upon meeting them, there would be a deeper sense of
<DaveGregg> Geraldine, you're next...
<Geraldine> Michael. You've said in the past that there have been some
non-historically well-known or famous Transcendental Souls. They lived in
non-literate times. Would you tell me about the life and times of one of
them from a Neolithic time and how they impacted their culture? Perhaps
one who lingers on in myth?
There is the one your ancients called Lilith, often this fragment is
confused with the Goddess Diana.
<Geraldine> ahhh, yesss, Lilith :) Do tell me more.
There is an association with the Adam of your bible for whom she was a
legend and myth. The female of your species had greater powers in certain
cultures during the Neolithic, long before the Greeks and their oracles as
drew together many tribes and cultures to bring about changes in their
society for the better as it was understood then. She is responsible for
some of the first pacts and agreements between previous warring cultures.
That is something, no one at the time, would have considered possible.
During these times she raised the female of your species into positions of
decision, belief and understanding. And it was in this that there was
another strong male, who rejected her out of fear. And came to be
associated thus with the creation stories. These of course, were verbal
stories handed down and embellished from such earlier times.
<Geraldine> General location and approximate time?
In effect she created the priestess role of your forebears. 7000 BCE give
or take a few hundred years and in the lands that are now referred to as
the middle east, in what was called in later times the fertile crescent.
<Geraldine> She became the template . . .thank you
That is well said. You are welcome.
In closing we wish to add more in terms of the markers of enlightenment
that one might look for in perception and experience.
Enlightenment can occur while painting, speaking, dancing, in battle, in
serving, in teaching, while imparting to others higher ways of thinking
and acting, and while leading.
Enlightenment can also come in the silence of a meditation, or while
gazing at one’s shadow on the ground, while quietly observing the
movements of an ocean, or storm, or the sky. In the kiss of a loved one,
the breath of an infant child against your neck, or while berthing an
animal, or polishing one’s car. In time, with or without this teaching,
all fragments will eventually become aware of who they are themselves, in
being able to identify the life force that is the conscious fragment
extruded into the physical body on the physical plane, by essence, and
able to identify what it’s personality is made of.
come’s the experience of those personality traits or overleaves and
differentiating between negative, neutral and positive poles of those
facets of self. With this comes comparison with other fragments along
these lines. Eventually the fragment will become aware of entity mates,
cadence partners, task companions, essence twins, comrades-in-arms, and
fragments from past lives with memories of those past incarnations to one
degree or another. In time, the fragment more and more sheds old patterns
of behavior once previously believed sacrosanct and necessary for
survival. Eventually the fragment begins to experience others as it does
itself and the door to agape swings open.
that place of existence and experience the path to experiencing the Tao,
as much as it is possible to do so, from the physical plane is available.
This will happen to all of you with our without these teachings, just as
it did for us. We know how much it gives hope to all of you and offer it
to you with agape and no requirements, seeking nothing in return. We end
this session with you and bid you to listen to your hearts and minds,
higher selves, and essence for guidance should you choose to do so.
Thank you so much Michael - and Michael :)
<yy2> Thank you Michael and Michael
<annh> Thank you, Michael and Michael.