< Michael_Toth> What is Recognition? What we mean
when we say the word recognition we are speaking of those moments when above all
other signals there is recognition of a truth or recognition of a past life
As it is, it is an experience on the physical plane. Perception of recognition,
be it that the watermelon tastes sweeter today than it did yesterday or that the
individual facing you died with you in a long past incident, and that therefore,
on some level in the universe...You realize that you know this individual.
You know this individual even though "common sense" often rises up in defense
and says that that just isn't possible. How could you suddenly have a moment
visiting a foreign country you have never been to before, and while there go to
the center of a village and drink its well water, and recognize in that instant,
that you know the taste of that water. Oh you've had water in all the places you
have lived in. Water generally tastes pretty much the same. But this water
tastes different and evokes memory. How do you know this? Where does this come
from, this thing called recognition?
How many of you knew the words and found truth in our words when you first heard
or read them? In many cases there was recognition. Certainly it is recognition
of a different kind, but recognition, just the same. We have added the word
intuition to it as well. But how does one hone such a skill? What if the other,
one meets doesn't perceive the recognition the same way or even at all? And what
does that then do to the relationship? What does that do to the process of
recognition as well?
How do we proceed from there? What is, and what is not recognition?
That, is the key, and its ability to reach you is only moments away should you
be able to step aside from personality. Remember in those moments in which you
"had" recognition, you were either intensely engaged with either fear or love,
but you were without personality when it came. Remember what separation from
personality can feel like. Remember it and listen for it and more recognition
Q & A
<Bobby2> Ok Michael, I
hope you brought your Akashic records library card tonight, I wanted to inquire
about the 2 most recent previous incarnations for Martin D. What would you care
to share about those as far when/where and any major interesting happenings in
those lives for him.
<Michael_Toth> This fragment Martin was born a male in eastern Europe before the
1900's. The middle son in a family of 7 siblings he lived to marry, and worked
as an assitant to a minor public official in a village outside of tSolin (sp?).
The fragment died of pneumonia, in 1936 leaving behind a wife and 2 children.
In the second life, prior to that was as a young aristocratic Frenchmen an
actual attaché to the King of France, Napoleon III. He had a promising future
ahead of him but was one of the troops with the caravan transporting the King
when he was shot by German Cavalry, while trying to do his duty for King and
country. This occurred near the city of Sedan in the middle 1800's. It was a
short brief life, as he died near his 22nd birthday.
<Bobby2> Always fascinating, thank you or the indulgence :-)
< Michael_Toth> You're most welcome.
<DaveGregg> yy2, you're next...
<yy2> Am I still in 4th
Internal Monad? Or am I approaching 5th IM? What are the signs I should look for
in 5th IM? This is Yung Yung.
< Michael_Toth> You have completed the 4th Internal Monad, and it is a valid
observation that you are approaching the 5th Internal Monad. The
self-investigation of these two Monads are quite unique, and yet can be quite
similar. The self-examination that ensues can be, of course, modified by the
present or absence of moving through the monad in the positive poles. You,
Yung-Yung, completed the 4th Internal Monad in the positive poles of your
overleaves. While that doesn't mean that self-examination can't and does not
continue, we merely wish to point out that the new perceptions can often be
discerned by the level and quality of judgment that is echoed in regard to those
perceptions of past acts from within. If there is, on appreciation of past
events from this life time, as part of the self-examination, a softening in the
appraisal often accompanied by deeper and richer re-appraisals then one can
surmise that they are beginning the first stages of the 5th IM.
<DaveGregg> nychel, you're next...
<nychel> Hello Michael
and Michael! Okay, I have been with Wilfred B. for awhile now and I was just
curious to know if there were any significant lifetimes in the past that I
should know about and if so, where were we and what were we in relation to each
other? Any information would be great, even if not so “significant”. Thanks!!
< Michael_Toth> You were both militiamen from neighboring counties in and around
what is now Philadelphia during the War of Independence. This was your first
experience of significance with one another, although there are some half-dozen
lives in which you came into each others spheres of influence. Apparently
essences have chosen to make it an agreement to meet in this life and this
meeting has taken place. That's all there is.
<DaveGregg> Thomas, you're next...
<thomas> I Feel I am at
a transition point in my life, however I feel at a standstill, I am hoping
Michael could lend some insight in helping me understand why this is? Also, I
would like to know if there are any Karmic debts or ribbons that need to be
burned, and if those unburned ribbons have any bearing as to why this is?
Anything you can share would be appreciated I just feel like I want to move on
and cooperate with everything the best I can.
< Michael_Toth> Everyone of you is always in transition. You are all at greater
major, or lesser minor points of transition about everything. We see an
intensity here that is made more so by your goal of growth. It is often during
such times that the fragment asks for some ritual that can be performed to
change the way the life is going. To end the frustration, ennui,
dissatisfaction, reluctance that seems to persist. Thomas, there are no karmic
ribbons you can hunt down and burn to feel or experience life differently. There
is life and what is made of what life is and what you can choose, or not choose
to do, or not do about it. You are where you are, experiencing what you are
because of choices made and the whimsical nature of the physical plane. Many of
us experienced the intensity of life trying to peer through its veils to the
future, to see beyond. To know in advance what was going to happen sometimes
even into the next moment.
There is and will be, for a long time to come karmic ribbons among and between
many of you. Life on the physical plane is about karma and balance. Your life
isn't the way it is because of karma owed to anyone. Essence becomes bored with
lives that are in a state of inertia (seemingly). It is in those moments that
can be the most intense or enduringly long lasting and draining in which
lessons, and higher perceptions leading to changing the way one's life is
unfolding, or, more of the same.
What steps you take next are yours, you have the tools within you and before you
that you can select that help you decide what to do next in each given moment.
What do you choose to make of the next moment? How do you propose differently
and upon what strengths and weaknesses do you depend while doing just that?
Choosing to make whatever it is you choose to make of the next moment is what
life is at every point, in every second. What do you choose to make of the next
<DaveGregg> Glory Be, you're next...
<Glory_Be> In the next 3
- 6 months are there any good things/ positive changes I can personally look
< Michael_Toth> This question can be answered on two levels. First of all you
can always look forward to anything. You can look forward to positive and
negative things. Life on the physical plane is about all three moments in time
is it not? We wonder why there is reason to ask? Is there something you perceive
about the next three to six months that are more significant than the last
three? All of what comes next is dependent upon the myriad ways that life will
ebb and flow, shifting on the physical plane. Millions of fragments will swirl
about in their own lives coming into contact with greater and greater numbers of
other fragments. These interactions and your choices to be at the intersection
of Main and Elm streets on Friday, the 26th of are the finite and infinitesimal
actions taken, or abrogated, and influence every aspect of what becomes the
present and the future. You have meetings with vectors, involving other
fragments, as do most fragments, and some are as insignificant as walking past a
stranger and having that inviting feeling to say hello. We do not predict
anything. What will happen, remains to happen driven by the variables that
coalesce prior to and during those moments. It is unpredictable as anything
else, especially the weather. Questions?
<Glory_Be> I guess I was thinking about what sort of
probabilities are currently unfolding, given the energies around me.
< Michael_Toth> There is a field of infinite possibilities that exists before
and around and within all of you. What you have put in motion already, which is
what we suspect you are asking about, already has its chances of occurring as
many other things, but because you have put them in motion, they have a greater
likelihood of transpiring. Even taking away the energies you perceive you have
around you. What you desire may or may not come to pass, or may do so with
astounding added results. We will not pass on that any further.
<DaveGregg> Brian, you're next...
<Brian_W> I am slowly
trying to evaluate, understand and learn from the experiences of this life thus
far and would greatly appreciate a third-person perspective. Do I have any
karmic ribbons that have been either created, burned, or in progress thus far in
this life? Could you describe them in detail as possible?
< Michael_Toth> As we have said to the man Thomas neither of you is who or where
you are because you have assassinated a minor official as if some form of
punishment for your wrong doings. Although, you in particular, have been
involved in such an act, as have nearly all of you, in some way, shape or form.
There is no magic karmic ribbon out of the 27 you carry in this lifetime (owed
to others) but for which you are not currently on vectors for establishing
contact. There has been no burning of karmic ribbons for this life at present,
nor are you amidst any at the present. There is simply the friction of abrading
overleaves. There is some minor internal abrading as well as within yourself
yourself and between you and those around you. There are the circumstances of
who you are and where you are in this existence. Choices made regarding friends,
peers, associates, and circumstances. There is where you chose to go to college
for example and there is what you choose to major in and to whom you speak to
and to whom you speak to no longer. How these karmic ribbons are burned, how you
pay back your debts on these are dependent on you and the fragment owed to. Are
there those that owe you? Certainly some 14 fragments owe you karmic debt
repayment currently extent on the physical plane. As you have asked, does any of
this have to do with who and where you are now? We think not. Questions?
<Brian_W> For the three most serious of situations in
my life, one of which still seems to be unfolding despite my attempts to remain
out of the situation, those were still simply choice-based, not karmic based?
< Michael_Toth> This is correct. Not every tough relationship is a karmic debt.
Most of them are not.
<Brian_W> Could you comment on any karmic relationships
with my immediate family, both those still present in my life, and those I have
chosen to leave in the past?
< Michael_Toth> Again as we stated before, you grew up amidst a circle of
people, your family and others, that possess very abrading overleaves in and
among each other as well as yourself. We repeat, not all tough relationships are
a karmic debt waiting to be repaid. False Personality would wish to glamorize
such interactions as dramas that have deeper significance, purpose and meaning
even in the context of these teachings. Most times learning to bend and adapt to
difficult situations is what Essence is all about, all it is ever about for that
matter. It is very difficult when what is perceived, which of course, mandates
that self makes choices, is perceived vastly differently than those around one.
This is often what makes the Mature Soul Age so difficult to pass through. The
perceptions are deeper, the emotions of a new kind are stronger and there is no
more frame of reference for what is positive or negative when faced with a sea
of divergent beliefs and choices made by others, that effect one so deeply. The
Mature soul truly searches for sanctuary, for relief from this.
< Michael_Toth> Questions?
<Brian_W> Not for now, I will have to take the necessary time to digest this
information. Thank you again Michael.
<DaveGregg> Martha, you're next...
<Martha> Last time you
gave me an overview of a number of lifetimes in Paris. I’m interested in more
detail about the one(s) you mentioned from around the 18th century – you
referred to the Sun King and the Revolution. Versailles seemed familiar to me.
< Michael_Toth> It should, you were among the cotillions of women attached to
the courts through familial connections. Going to Versailles some thirty or more
times a year before turning 18 would garner a memory or two. It was a time of
much False Personality, among hordes of eligible men and in being among the
aristocratic circles of society as Louis pursued his pleasures in life. It is
not a life of note so much as one of a mixed balance between huge galas,
intrigues and a quiet discernment that began to blossom. Questions?
<Martha> sounds fun,kinda. I wasn't one of those "let
them eat cake" people, was i?
< Michael_Toth> Remember that Essence's idea of fun compared to those of the
personified fragment often differ in the extreme.
<Martha> so this was pre-Revolution?
< Michael_Toth> Your reference is to a later Louis, we are speaking of the
earlier Louis, the Sun King, the Revolution began in 1792, but this kind of
behavior and thinking was maintained by most aristocrat societies throughout
history. Let them eat cake “thinking” existed in aristocratic Europe long before
the Revolution tore it asunder. When among the Romans...
<Martha> yes, sorry the cake thing was revolution time, the sun king was Louis
<DaveGregg> Karolyn, you're next...
<KarolynG> Hi M/M: We
briefly discussed life task in emails, however, I feel I have my answer to that
question so I will switch gears and ask were any of my past lives spent in
Atlantis? If so, was one during its destruction? If yes, did I survive and if I
did where did I end up? If this is too many parts, please just respond with what
you are comfortable with.
< Michael_Toth> There is no record of your being in Atlantis.
<DaveGregg> Heather, you're next...
<heatherh> I want to ask about the supposed channeled
information compiled in the book "Urantia". I found it fascinating but often
prescriptive and bureaucratic. What is the nature of this material?
< Michael_Toth> This material is being disseminated by fragment on the Astral
Plane, nearing completion of its turn in reincarnating and there is a high male
energy connected with it. There is a specific body of knowledge this fragment
has been developing over the great amounts of time it has assessed its own
evolution. While it is one thing to consider and regard a physical plane
fragment when reading that fragments work in regard to its agenda, it is far
more difficult to acquire the same criteria from information that is coming from
an astral fragment. There is truth in these writings as there are in many other
works that have arisen. This time you are alive now is a time of awakening,
whose seeds were planted in the generation not so long ago in the 60's of your
previous century. We have suggested in the past, first and foremost to validate
everything. We have frequently recommended that the student judge for themselves
the nature of truth wherever one finds it. Read and compare and listen to the
whispers form the higher centers, and to essence itself. It is often easier than
you think. Ask for it and it will come to you. Any message that consists of
rituals and shoulds, and should-nots is suspect at the face of it, is it not?
Remember that, in your discernment of anything you read. Anything else?
<heatherh> what you've said resonates - I'll imbibe with care - thank you very
< Michael_Toth> You are most welcome.
<DaveGregg> Geraldine, you're next...
<Geraldine> Last time, I asked about my most
"flamboyant or notorious" lifetime from MY perspective -- you indicated that
essence had a totally different choice. I'd like to know about that life this
< Michael_Toth> You were literally a pirate on the high sands. You drove the
Silk Route to become what it did at its heights and for several of the following
waves of success it enjoyed. You used people for your own purposes and reveled
in the knowledge that you could, becoming even more and more creative in your
pursuits of this behavior. But you tied it to a goal in this lifetime. You
actually felt like the father to the trade route, and behaved in pursuing it
like it was a pet that you tended to and fostered. Your abilities to manage and
reduce costs, by simplifying methods of trade, transportation, logistics, and of
storage were manifest.
You developed scores of treaties and pacts, occasionally overturning them to
meet your own designs and secure your control. Your personality truly believed
it was doing this for the "right" reasons, and that nothing was above or below
the line in doing so. There is nothing more in the gross overall appreciation of
this figure whose name is as irreproducible as any we have had the opportunity
to translate. Tamarghz? Is the closest our student Michael can come to this.
<Geraldine> what ethnic group?
< Michael_Toth> You were, as we have been wont to say a mongrel, mostly Asian
descent, some Arabic, some African. very little eastern European.
<Geraldine> thank you very much for filling in details on that life :)
< Michael_Toth> You are most welcome.
<DaveGregg> Littlestar, you're next...
<littlestar> My question is regarding my health. Can u
tell me why I am so tired most of the day, usually at least until mid afternoon
or early evening. I would like to get up earlier and be full of energy all day.
< Michael_Toth> We see that the general advancement of age, lifestyle and diet
have contributed to this sens of being tired. No matter how fragments improve
upon the model of the physical body, with this recent push for either obesity or
one which is sculpted according to the Greek model, time will have its way.
Processes will take longer, rebuilding will slow down, so will metabolism. The
"up" sense will take longer to instill. The physical plane is obdurate, it is
hard on the physical manifestation. Do you sense or fear that something
underlying has occurred? That this is a sign of illness?
<littlestar> Yes, it seems unreasonable to me that, it
takes forever to be awake, fully awake and it was suggested to me that I might
have lyme disease or chronic fatigue syndrome and, as well, my dad had a blood
disorder so I am concerned that there is more to this than what I'd assumed
< Michael_Toth> we see nothing of the sort in regard to lyme disease save that
in regard to chronic fatigue, yes, but that is what we were describing with the
general movement of aging, changes of diet and the like.
<littlestar> Do you mean that there is nothing I can do
to wake myself up all day, that this is only due to poor diet and weight? No
matter how much I've slept?
< Michael_Toth> Sleep can be an adjunct and a problem as you may well know. We
see no disease process.
<littlestar> Thank you. Any suggestions for more
immediate short-term? no toxins either?
< Michael_Toth> You are all bombarded by toxins by the thousands, being on the
physical plane is part of that and occurs everywhere even before technology
developed plastics and industrial elements. We see numerous toxins having
influence, and mostly the one you call lead, but it is not at a significant
<DaveGregg> Helen, you're next...
<mib_76gef8> Dear Michael, this is Helen L., I just
want to say how honored and thrilled I am in being able to get connected to you
and the group, it is the 1st time I am joining the chat and talk through channel
(Michael, so much thank). Continue above discussion: I often feel stressed out
by today's fast speed and intensity, very strong especially in U.S. Are we
supposed to get used to this fast pace? And if yes, is this fast pace part of
the earth/human transition to the "higher" vibration/frequency?
< Michael_Toth> You either choose to get used to the fast pace still driven by
young soul dominance, just like you are getting somewhat accustomed to changing
weather patters and concerns about the environment and what will happen
tomorrow. We do not see a transformation to a higher frequency and have dealt
with this question before. Life around the time of 1 BC was much faster paced
than it was 200 years earlier and this phenomenon will continue well into the
future as your societies and cultures will likely continue to experiment and
devise newer and newer technologies. This pace has begun a long time ago with
slower periods than others, and faster than others. The amount of knowledge you
have accumulated adds to this let alone the technologies that allow you to share
It was once possible for a fragment to know everything there was to know and was
known at that time in academic and other circles. It is nearly impossible for
one fragment to do so today.
<mib_76gef8> My feeling is that we have personal choice
over the matter, right? I, being slower and more contemplative, would rather
choose to be this way, like a counter-balance for the society.
< Michael_Toth> You are all living closer and closer together and life, and
under those circumstances, is generally not simpler. It becomes more and more
complex as each day passes.
<mib_76gef8> Are we supposed to catch up to this
complexity? Learn to be part of it, I guess.
< Michael_Toth> That is a significant appreciation of your position and is
carried by numerous fragments once it has been realized. It is this variety that
adds to all of everything else in terms of establishing those contexts we spoke
of. You aren't supposed to do anything other than what you choose to do. You
would be just as correct in choosing to live in a rural area where life passes
at a slower pace. There are no rules. There are no sins by omission or
transgression. Your free will to choose what you wish is and has always been
there. There are consequences to those actions as there are in everything else.
<mib_76gef8> That sounds right. Thank you very much for the information.
< Michael_Toth> You are most welcome.
<DaveGregg> Santi, you're next...
<Santi> Michael, I would like to ask anything about my
past life times which influence my relationship in this life. And how to release
the old patterns which are not suitable, in order to create a joyful loving
< Michael_Toth> We do not see that you have much carryover from any one of the
past three lives in the specific. There are, as often occur with most fragments
issues of trust, trust in the other, and trust in oneself to be as right and
true as one can be in any given situation and moment. All of you carry markers
of dishonesty and betrayal as you do of rightness and in being as earnest as any
set of overleaves can permit. You are still resolving the enculturation of
parents and society, the choices of CF and the choice of CF. This is a ritual
played out by all fragments to one degree or another as they take on in theirr
early years everything around them, and as time passes, these aspects of what we
choose and are influenced by will either be inculcated or distilled out or down
to what is really essential. You are in that process, and it takes time and
patience which is the rub. Can you not see this? Progress, though slow, is being
made as you pursue one version of relationship after another refining that
template and the template of personality you are willing to apply to it. This
process is quite involved and is not usually accomplished rapidly. Questions?
<Santi> So it's about patience?
< Michael_Toth> Patience is only one aspect of this, as it requires the passage
of time, the abrasion of the lessons as to how deeply to love A, B or C and why.
Each of you, including the others you chose to be in relationship with are also
walking this same path.
<Santi> How to be more detached from another person?
< Michael_Toth> Detachment is its own experience. Is that what you wish to
experience this time? One might do well to ask what benefits and detractors are
accrued from and accomplished by such a choice. Are you asking us to tell you
what to do in this regard? We won't. These are the choices everyone of you must
needs make or step away from in regard to evolving. We won't tell you how to
make your relationships better, or worse, but we will offer you material that
will allow you to conclude what relationship you might choose to enter into and
for what reasons. You are there for the experience. Many would love to hear the
inside track from us or any other teacher about what it is we must do to make
things so that they are perfect and nice all the time. We never discovered the
answers to questions like that when we were incarnate. Unless you are that which
you wish you were in any given moment there is no clue no ritual you can perform
to "make" that happen. many of us went to holy men asking them to intercede for
us, which they would do by ritually sacrifice birds and other animals to make
our lives and our relationships better or more perfect. It availed nothing more
than lots of dead birds.
<DaveGregg> Timeflyer, you're next...
<Timeflyer> What should I do to be more in touch and aligned with essence?
[Note: This Question includes the Closing Comments]
< Michael_Toth> This is a question often asked by many students and is worthy of
investigation. There is a kind of listening one can only train oneself to do. It
is based on the sensations and perceptions one has of what the direction essence
is in as a way of saying it. There is a knowing like there is about little else
in life. It is most often not a loud sound about the signals, it is often not a
stronger sensation of one kind or another. But once the fragment can recognize
that "knowing" sensation for what it is, a fragment can "tune in" more to
essence than when there was doubt or misdirection. Essence is always there, one
need not wait for 4 or 5 rings before essence is connected. How soon, the answer
comes with how able the fragment is able to tune in their overleaves to the
positive and listen.
In the past we have recommended meditation as a means of quieting the inner
chatter to allow the connection to be made. We still offer it as a temporary
means and ritual to accomplish until recognition takes place, as we continue to
see fragments accomplish this. But, as with anything on the physical plane
fraught with interference BY the physical plane it can be elusive, transient and
doubtful at times when it does occur. Just as you often meet your true
personality, in times of extreme stress, and, amidst abrasive experiences, it
can be thus with essence as well. We say it need not, but it is far easier for
us without all of the distractions the physical plane provide. Contact is
contact and it is useful as much in the "pinch" of things as it is in the silent
spaces. It is in the latter, when one has the choice of doing so much more so
than the former. This is a timely reminder and should also serve as the closing
comments. Should you choose to, continue to seek this connection, knowing that
essence has different expectations for you than personality does.
Most all of you, as did we, prefer that things be easy, less taxing, less
caustic, less stressful. Remember that this space you now experience in, is and
can be harsh and seemingly cruel without reason and at times with reason, were
nature and life to so consist. At the same time, life can be joyous, and
experienced in ways unobtainable in any other way because simply because of the
How much can you truly appreciate a happy ending on the astral when you created
the circumstances for just such an outcome as compared to what sometimes seems
to effortlessly fall into place on the physical plane? Or, against all odds you
accomplish something everything and everyone told you could not come to pass?
Could the celebratory feelings and sensations be any more real than where you
are now? We have not experienced it elsewhere in this manner. This is often too,
where essence contact comes to the fore, either before during or after the
events. Listen, for it, should you choose to, it is often simply a whisper.
<Timeflyer> Michael/Michael/Dave - I have accomplished what others said I could
not. I get all this you have said and am in that less stressful space now thanks
to this group. Thank you for your continued healing and guidance. Timeflyer/Diana
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