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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:45:49 EDT
Subject: ERNIE HUMOR

Ernie wrote:

 

>I am back with Tao-my mirror and humor. Beauty or beast ?
>Guys fun fare ! Ha ha ha, more laughter...rock n roll, baby. Etc.

 

Dear Ernie,

Humor doesn't translate into other cultures very well. I'd stick with ranting.

Love,
Shepherd


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:40:02 -0400
Subject: Re: ERNIE HUMOR

Sheperd,
As an interpreter I really appreciate this one! Thanks for helping put the doctor in perspective!
Peace,
Beth


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:34:29 EDT
Subject: Re: OTTERLY'S NEW WIFE??

Wow!!!! Congratulations!! I think it's so wonderful that you and Buffy finally consummated your love for each other. Yes, I know it was a difficult decision for you. Especially after her tragic accident with that pasta maker. I still shudder at images of her with those vicious strands of spaghetti wrapped around her tender throat, her eyes bulging, her tongue protruded and waving like a flag. It's a shame that the asphyxiation was prolonged enough to cause permanent brain damage, but hey, now you can say that her IQ matches her bust size. ;-p Best wishes with your new Jewish princess. It's a shame that book shelf above your bed broke and the 800 page unabridged dictionary fell on her nose. Has surgery helped in reducing the size of her nostrils? Yes, I know it's disconcerting when she inhales the curtains when she sleeps, but you must be there for her - be her matzo man. {Singing some Village People tune} "Matzo, matzo man...."

In a message dated 98-08-03 01:05:05 EDT, Otterly writes:

 

Seriously, the first 7 months of this year have been extremely difficult
and I am happy to say that I see a light now, a bright one.

 

Make note of my new addresses.

 

I just scribbled it inside the men's room at the local bus depot. Anyone care for a piece of bus depot fudge?

 

Since I lost my entire Email Program, I have no one's email addresses.
Would my clients who are on this list, and any of you who are my pals, or
just anyone who wants me to have it, please send me an email directly from
your own address, so I can add it to my address book. When you hit "reply
to all" (that should be an option in your email program), it will include my
new address. Delete the Michael List address, then just send me this
message, unless you want to tell me hi, and encourage my spirits?

 

{Chugging six-pac.} { Belch....} Uh, do messages from departed spirits count? Oh, and before I forget - "Hi."

Dave ;-)


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:39:37 EDT
Subject: Re: Is Dave Dr. D?

In a message dated 98-08-02 14:06:37 EDT, Shepherd writes:

 

DAVE, STOP IT!!!

 

Ya know, when I was a little kid, I used to think that was my first, middle, and last name. ;-)

Dave


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:47:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Hugs for Diane and Lori

In a message dated 98-08-02 10:20:22 EDT, Jody writes:

 

forestalling flames] I don't think this is particularly judgmental. As a
mature soul in a bunch of oldies but goodies, I often feel myself like a
angst-filled16-year-old who's been allowed to hang with her college-age
siblings and their friends and longs for the day when she, too, will be out
of the house and in the world.

 

Yeah, stick around kid, you just may learn something from us geriatrics. BTW, could you do my math homework? Pretty please....

And why does Lori get all the hugs? All my life she's been the favorite in the family. Lori, Lori, Lori, Lori, Lori.....that's all I ever hear! ;-p

Dave - the neglected brother


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:59:50 EDT
Subject: Re: artisan males

In a message dated 98-08-01 14:55:03 EDT, Mary P writes:

 

Also, I think Artisans might get more creative work done when they have
time and space to themselves - I know I do. We do have to bring the results
of our talents out for the enjoyment and service of others, but it helps to
have a little time in the woodshed to think, open up, pull in our
"helpers," and synthesize. I have never seen this channeled anyplace, but
in my experience, we need this kind of space, perhaps more than other roles.

 

{Singing like a damn fool} "Oh, it's a jolly holiday with Mary...Mary makes the day so bright..." :-)

As a fellow Artisan, I would agree with your comments about the need for space. I find constant interaction with others to be both distracting and a drain of energy. A little solitude each day is the best remedy.

Dave


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:03:39 EDT
Subject: Re: A sudden flash of insight

In a message dated 98-07-31 14:16:19 EDT, Morgan writes:

 

I just finished reading Friday's posting and got the strangest
feeling. Do you suppose "Dr. Ernie" is really Dave putting us on while
ROTFLHFAO?

Love,
Morgan

 

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT PRANK!!! ;-p I only wish I HAD thought of it. Hmmm...maybe one day in the future...

Dave ;-)


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:26:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Artisan males a joke

Just got back from a road trip and am sorting through e-mails. Found this joke which seems to compliment the Artisan male thread...........................

Enjoy,
Sharon

 

Seems God was just about done creating the universe. But He had a
couple of things left over in his bag of creations, so he stopped by
to visit Adam and Eve in the Garden. He told the couple that one of
the things he had to give away was the ability to pee standing. "It's
a very handy thing," God told the couple. "I was wondering if either
one of you wanted that ability."

Adam popped a cork. He jumped up and begged, "Oh, give that to me! I'd
love to be able to do that! It seems the sort of thing a man should
do. Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please, let me have that ability. It'd
be so great! When I'm working in the garden, or naming the animals, I
could just let it rip. It'd be so cool. Oh, please, God, let it be me
who You give that gift to, let me stand and pee, oh please...." On and
on he went, like an excited little boy.

Eve just smiled and shook her head at the display. She told God that
if Adam really wanted it so badly -- and it sure seemed to be the sort
of thing that would make him happy -- she really wouldn't mind if Adam
were the one given the ability to stand up and pee.

And so it was. And it was ... well, good.

"Fine," God said, looking back into his bag of leftover gifts. "Now,
what's left here...? Oh, yes. Multiple orgasms...."

 


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:40:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Artisan males a joke

In a message dated 98-08-03 15:26:34 EDT, Sharon writes:

 

"Fine," God said, looking back into his bag of leftover gifts. "Now,
what's left here...? Oh, yes. Multiple orgasms...."

 

Yes, but it's always better if you have a pair of exquisite, nimble Artisan hands to assist in giving those multiple orgasms. ;-p

Dave


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:39:30 -0600
Subject: Re: artisan males

 

>{Singing like a damn fool} "Oh, it's a jolly holiday with Mary...Mary makes
>the day so bright..." :-) (from Dave)

 

What jazz standard is this? I thought I knew most of 'em . . .

Mary
(humming Silk Stockings and Take the A-Train at the same time)


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:49:16 EDT
Subject: Re: artisan males

Haha....It's a song from Mary Poppins. ;-p

Dave


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:16:36 +0800
Subject: OVERLEAVES MIRROR-TAO (2)

========================================
OLD SOULS LAUGH, BABIES CRY !!!
========================================

Hay Morgan,

Do you suppose "Dr. Ernie" is really Dave putting us on while
ROTFLHFAO? So what, this is FREE country. No way, Morgan !

Hay Jody,
Lori, hadn't thought of the possibility that Dr. D. had gone . Nop !!!
he is here to stay, part of happy family. God loves children.

Mary Said,
 

 

I kept thinking, is there some joke here and I'm not getting it???

 

Stupid, you ignorant slut !!! you lacks sensitivity .

 

I Sat down with a pencil and tried to juggle the letters in his name around -

 

He,he,he....did you get 1050 AE and do automatic writing ?

 

>DR. E. L. DAMASCO = REAL ODD SCAM

 

Not so accurate, you ignorant slut !!!

 

>E. L. DAMASCO = O SAD CAMEL
>Nah, that's can't be it.

>Mary

 

"BEAUTIFUL WOMEN WITH HARDBODIES!!!!" ummm..

 

In the process of eliminating a difficult and disturbed person from our household.

 

The blue assasin.

Ed

 

What's his mission here? It's to SCOLD, MA DEAR
What's he want us to fit into? A SCARED MOLD.

 

CRY AND YOU CRY ALONE,
LAUGH AND THE WORLD LAUGH WITH YOU.
Healing takes place in Laughter and more laughter..

Agape, your baby lurker, bye bye Mommy ..
Kiss "sabay" Hugs....sssssht.


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:50:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Observation mode sliding

Ted, and fellow listers,
    Thank you so much for sharing. For the longest time in studying this material, I had felt so cut off and far away. Now with this list, one can interact and ask questions. It truly helps.

Best to you all,
Sharon


Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:57:01 PDT
Subject: artisan males

Hi gang,

Hmmm . . . There has been a lot more response to my little remark about artisan males being "pathetic losers" in the romance department than I thought there would be. Some replies have been rather insightful. I have some serious comments on the subject.

I think Jody hit the nail on the head about "selection errors" being part of the problem, only I wouldn't call them "errors" really. I don't regret any of them, even the painful ones. My twelve year marriage (with a mature server) was a karmic relationship that ended when I entered the "infamous fourth internal monad". The ribbon was burned successfully, so far as I can tell. Since then, I have chosen a string of relationships that looked very interesting for one reason or another in the short term, rather than selecting for probability of long-term "success". Some of my short-term relationships were "successful" in the sense that they propelled my spiritual growth like nothing else has. Especially the flings with sages and priests -- they have been an intense catalyst for me, due apparently to kundalini energy exchanges. You will recall that sages, priests and artisans have a natural affinity, according to MFM, to form goups ("configurations") of six members called "sextants." (No pun intended, really.) I have found that priests bring out the "dark side" of me -- to look at seriously -- and sages bring out the "light side" of me -- to have fun with.

I hadn't thought of it before, but now that someone mentioned it, the single channel roles do tend to help me -- an artisan with five scattered channels of input -- focus. They are "simpler" to deal with. I have also found that it is very true, as someone said, that artisans probably need more solitary time than fragments of other roles. If I do not get time alone to process and synthesize the various inputs, I become even more scattered than usual.

Another stray comment, on "artisan humor": I think that Scott Adams of "Dilbert" and Gary Larson of "The Far Side" cartoons display quintessential "artisan humor". Tom and Ray Magliozzi of the Saturday morning "Car Talk" NPR radio program are also exquisite in that department. I suspect that most of the writers of "situation comedies" on TV are artisans. Dave in the passion mode is obviously our local off-the-wall artisan humorist.

Phil


Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:51:30 -0400
From: Otterly Blue
Subject: Don't mess with the "blue assasin"

You know what I do, when someone is REALLY REALLY irritating and you promised you wouldn't respond to them, nor to give in to pettiness, or to reduce yourself to their psychosis,...

 

You remind yourself that they will die one day.

The "blue assassin"

HA HA HA HA HA HA H A HA HA HA ... {in the most insane hoarse laughter I could muster}


Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:30:20 +0800
Subject: Re: Artisan males

At 02:44 PM 8/1/98 -0000, Jody wrote:

 

>Interesting thoughts, Phil. My ex-husband is an artisan, and most of his
>really close women friends are gay - in fact, he has even tried to "turn"
>lesbians and get them to have a physical relationship with him. I would
>suspect that many of these women are warriors and his essence says "now
>there's a good match!" It might look like "incompetency" from the outside -
>I call it "selection error" - but it makes sense from the Michael standpoint.

 

Sorry for this late response because I'm just trying to go through the volume of emails...

I would like to add my $0.02 that the above phenomenon has less to do with the Essence level and more to do with social factor. In the sense of "social victim", the unaccepted lot of the homosexuals. That homosexuals of both sexes can get together easier because they are "same victims". :-) And they usually gone over the other extreme end and automatically assume a slightly less friendly attitude towards the "social norm", the heterosexual people, though this is understandable because the "socially normal" people (sexual-wise) usually have prejudice against the homosexual.

(whew long sentence)

I never consider "Artisan males" have specific sexual orientation. Actually neither do I consider "masculine/feminine" ratio means sexual orientation. While it is very possible that fragments may choose to have sexual orientation experiences in a life time (pre-plan to be a homosexual, gay/lesbian), I don't think any particular Role or energy ratio has much to do with it.

Regards.

J J Tan


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:53:39 -0400
Subject: Mainstreaming mystery schools.

Hi All,
Otterley and Kathy's comments on the mainstreaming of the Michael teaching reminded me of a section in MFM where Michael comments that for them the teaching of this material is a valuable learning process for them as well as for us the students and I'm sure that it must be so for us too.

It's also interesting for me to read Kathy's Life Task which is very similar to my own described to me as to be part of the movement to get old soul philosophy 'out there' in common consciousness. It also makes me wonder how many other Michael students have similar Life Tasks and whether in one way or another we as a body of students have at some time agreed to bring these concepts forward, especially at this time when the planetary consciousness is shifting towards the Mature soul level where it will have a much better chance of taking root than in a Young soul world.
I'm a Scholar and my methods for achieving my Life Task are throug writing. If there are significant numbers of students with similar LT's of different Roles, I wonder will they be achieved in different ways? Are there Sages out there who have agreed to bring the teaching out by the performed arts, or Artisans through their multi-layered creations, or Kings just by being a shining example?
Maybe when we state our overleaves we should briefly comment on the nature of our Life Task. This would certainly help to show us all if we as the student body are involved in the direct expansion of this material, especially in a way that actually makes a difference.

And while we're on the subject, my TC is somewhere out there in the SF area, so if you have an old Scholar TC living in England (Oxford would you believe!) with agreements to do some work this time around, drop me a line.

Best Wishes to all,

Jonathan.

'If You Haven't Lived It, You Haven't Learnt It'


Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:53:26 PDT
Subject: Artisan males

Hi JJ and all,

J.J.Tan wrote:

 

I never consider 'Artisan males' [to] have [a] specific
sexual orientation. Actually neither do I consider 'masculine/feminine'
ratio means sexual orientation. While it is very possible that
fragments may choose to have sexual orientation experiences in a life
time (pre-plan to be a homosexual, gay/lesbian), I don't think any
particular Role or energy ratio has much to do with it.

 

I agree with all of this. In my own case, even though my "male/female" energy ratio is a little toward the "female" end of the spectrum, and even though I am of a role that was said by Michael to be more comfortable in a female incarnation, I am quite at home in a male body in this lifetime, and guys don't "turn me on" at all. I do, however, think professional sports are a stupid waste of time and I much prefer the company of women.

Phil


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:12:02 EDT
Subject: Re: Don't mess with the "blue assasin"

In a message dated 98-08-03 21:52:49 EDT, Otterly writes:

 

You remind yourself that they will die one day.

 

...or that they're not really dead, and they wind up desperately scratching at the inside of their coffin. ;-p

Dave


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:14:39 -0600
Subject: Re: artisan males

I should probably retitle this thread "mate selection" -

 

> I have found that priests bring out the "dark side" of me -- to look at seriously -- and
>sages bring out the "light side" of me -- to have fun with. (Phil)

 

I looked at my personal relationships - not necessarily romantic - to see if the same principle felt true. I find I agree with your sense of these two roles.

My father was a Sage and we had a lot of fun together, particularly when I was a child. It was never a "heavy" relationship, instead it was energized and fun. My best friend is a Priest and we have a serious relationship in which we help each other over life's tough spots and discuss things that seem "heavy," though it's always pleasant. My sister is also a Priest and I would say we tend to help each other with serious matters more than we play, though again we have a very nice relationship (and I admire her beyond belief because she's an ambitious 4th level Old person and I'm a laid-back 7th level type).

I wonder if different roles, paired up, usually have particular flavors to their relationships like this.

 

>Another stray comment, on "artisan humor": . . .Tom and Ray Magliozzi of
>the Saturday morning "Car Talk" NPR radio program are also exquisite . . . (Phil)

 

Ha! True enough. I also like them because they create what I think of as an "artisan environment." I love watching "This Old House" for the same reason - I just feel so much at home with all those guys fitting stuff together, cutting boards, pounding nails. Does anybody else have a particular environment - even virtual - where they feel so harmonious it's like peek into their own essence? I'm not just asking about artisans here, not at all.
- - - - -
And actually, my sense of humor may be a little warped - I thought the Blue Assassin and the Ignorant Slut were both hilarious. I used to letter the word balloons for comic books, and I think both the B.A. and the I.S. would be great comic book characters.

Mary (a.k.a. Ignorant Slut)

*******************************
7th level Old Artisan/Spiritualist/
Acceptance/Perseverence/
Stubbornness
*******************************


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:20:45 EDT
Subject: Re: artisan males

 

I wonder if different roles, paired up, usually have particular flavors to
their relationships like this.

 

There's a substantial section in Shepherd's book describing each possible combination of roles. Enjoy...

All the best, Ed


Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:07:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Artisan Males

Ed Said:

 

> >> I wonder if different roles, paired up, usually have particular flavors to
> their relationships like this. <<
>
> There's a substantial section in Shepherd's book describing each possible
> combination of roles. Enjoy...

 

Yeah--and I was bummed out about what it says regarding Scholars and Artisans!! My husband's an artisan, and I guess Shepherd's book is right, we do just kind of do our own thing most of the time....

Mary said:

 

> And actually, my sense of humor may be a little warped - I thought the Blue
> Assassin and the Ignorant Slut were both hilarious. I used to letter the
> word balloons for comic books, and I think both the B.A. and the I.S. would
> be great comic book characters.
>
> Mary (a.k.a. Ignorant Slut)

 

Mary-- I loved comic books! I used to collect them in the '80's ... lots of obscure ones that later came into "fashion" (so of course I didn't like them after that) like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, (and its nemesis: Adolescent Radioactive Blackbelt Hamsters-- that one's still cool, hahaha!), Robotech, Japanese Manga books ... later I remembered being an artist in Japan around WWII in a past life, one reason I love Japanese art, esp. manga & anime....
You're right those names would make great characters!! Hahaha, what would we call the comic book? Michael's Old Soul Assylum?? ;-p

Lori (a.k.a. Poly Pagan) ROTFL!

PS, John M.--do a little dance for us, eh?? :^D


Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:30:16 -0700
From: Lori
Subject: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

Damn, that was the name I was gonna use for our chat room.
Has a nice ring to it, eh?
;-p
And all soul-ages would be welcome, God knows us Old Souls need a few younger whipper-snappers around to get us riled up off our lard-butts that have become calcified in the shape of the hard chairs we sit in front of these infernal machines.... >grumpy old man voice< In my day, we didn't have com-put-ers! When you wanted to have a good time, you played a game outside--like Stare at the Sun! And that's what you did--you stared at the Sun, until your eyes were on fire!
;-p
Dave!!! What do you think??

Demented Sis.


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:22:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Artisan Males

In a message dated 98-08-04 19:05:23 EDT, Lori writes:

 

Yeah--and I was bummed out about what it says regarding Scholars and
Artisans!! My husband's an artisan, and I guess Shepherd's book is
right, we do just kind of do our own thing most of the time....

 

That's true. Artisans always have a project going. Whether or not they finish it is another story. You and your husband must have some similarities or like interests, otherwise you probably wouldn't have gotten married. Just find something that the both of you enjoy. Personally I've worked in many musical groups with scholars, and I have always enjoyed the interaction. Scholars usually bring to the table a ton of information that the artisan can play with, and use creatively.

Of course, Sages are a great deal of fun to spend any sort of hang time with, unless you don't laugh at their jokes. I've learned that courtesy laughs are an integral part of getting along with a Sage.

Warriors also make good companions, but there's a tendency to always want to have sex with them. ;-p

Priests on the other hand, scare me to death.

Dave :-)


Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:40:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Artisan Males

Dave wrote:

 

> In a message dated 98-08-04 19:05:23 EDT, Lori writes:
>
> << Yeah--and I was bummed out about what it says regarding Scholars and
> Artisans!! My husband's an artisan, and I guess Shepherd's book is
> right, we do just kind of do our own thing most of the time.... >> >
> That's true. Artisans always have a project going. Whether or not they
> finish it is another story.

 

sounds more like growth to me....

 

> You and your husband must have some similarities
> or like interests, otherwise you probably wouldn't have gotten married. Just
> find something that the both of you enjoy.

 

Lori looks at Dave with one eyebrow raised:
"Look who's giving advice."
LOL!! Just messin' with ya, Dave.

Of course we do have things in common--just not like we used to. :^) Artisans in general fascinate me. My ET is an artisan, but unfortunately, he couldn't seem to handle the intensity. Anyway, being in growth, I tend to go from one thing to another, leaving lots of unfinished projects around--which frustrates my organized artisan husband.... My husband's in submission so he likes to dedicate himself to one thing for long periods, which I admire very much, I just can't do that very well....I just "out-grow" everything.....Sometimes I think growth really sucks. It can be a very difficult goal. Ok, no stray tomatoes, please, I'm dealing with it. :^)

 

> Personally I've worked in many
> musical groups with scholars, and I have always enjoyed the interaction.
> Scholars usually bring to the table a ton of information that the artisan can
> play with, and use creatively.

 

Yeah, when scholars and artisans play together, it can be a whole lot of fun. :^)

 

> Of course, Sages are a great deal of fun to spend any sort of hang time with,
> unless you don't laugh at their jokes. I've learned that courtesy laughs are
> an integral part of getting along with a Sage.

 

Yeah, I don't usually have a problem with laughing at or with them, I'm easily amused anyway. People at work see me sometimes when I'm snickering at my own thoughts, and they must wonder, heheh.

 

> Warriors also make good companions, but there's a tendency to always want to
> have sex with them. ;-p

 

I had some bad experiences being harassed at school as a child by lots of warriors, and that made me be able detect them a mile away, and just step aside, as they passed, trying to go unnoticed--which, BTW, didn't always work.... :^) And it's too bad, the positive influence of warriors is great for us disorganized types. :^) I'm glad I have a few warrior friends now. Supposedly my TC is a warrior. I don't tend to want to have sex with them. Good thing, hehhe.

 

> Priests on the otherhand, scare me to death.

 

I find nodding a lot and being agreeable with them is helpful. :^) Really though, I've had a lot of them inspire me on my path, who I was very glad to have encountered....

I'm amazed at how many Kings I know.... A larger proportion than I should. I like them a lot. And Servers, how they inspire me with their warmth. I guess I generally like everybody, hehhe. :^)

Love,
Lori


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:18:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

In a message dated 98-08-04 19:28:06 EDT, Lori writes:

 

When you wanted to have a good time, you
played a game outside--like Stare at the Sun! And that's what you
did--you stared at the Sun, until your eyes were on fire!
;-p
Dave!!! What do you think??

 

Well, my idea of a good time is to count the bristles in my toothbrush, or categorize the ingredients of ice cubes, but you already knew that. My favorite game is to turn the radio dial in the car to static and pretend I'm the last man on earth. Then I'll stumble out of my car at a country filling station and crawl toward the startled attendant, screaming, "Thank God I'm not the last one!"

Dave ;-)


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:39:28 EDT
Subject: Re: Artisan males a joke

In a message dated 8/3/98 7:26:34 PM, Jody wrote:

 

> Eve really wouldn't mind if Adam
> were the one given the ability to stand up and pee.
>
> And so it was. And it was ... well, good.
>
> "Fine," God said, looking back into his bag of leftover gifts. "Now,
> what's left here...? Oh, yes. Multiple orgasms...."

 

Multiple orgasms, they're not only for women anymore.... just a friendly reminder of the site that discusses the technical "how-to"s for men. BTW, I have known a couple of women who can pee while standing up, too.
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/sacred-sexuality-l.html
(Web site offline - Editor)

PJ


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:17:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Artisan Males (Growth)

In a message dated 8/5/98 12:53:54 AM, Lori writes:

 

>Anyway, being in growth, I tend to go from one thing to another, leaving lots of
>unfinished projects around--which frustrates my organized artisan
>husband.... My husband's in submission so he likes to dedicate himself
>to one thing for long periods, which I admire very much, I just can't do
>that very well....I just "out-grow" everything.....Sometimes I think
>growth really sucks. It can be a very difficult goal. Ok, no stray
>tomatoes, please, I'm dealing with it. :^)

 

      No stray tomatoes here! Although I have some real juicey ones with worms in them in my garden that would make a wonderful splat!!
      But if you think growth is bad try growth with a CF of impatience. Every now and then when both of those go into the negative poles I have chaos-- I gotta know and I gotta know NOW!! Thankfully that doesnt happen too often. But what has been GOOD WORK for me is to understand how the Mode of perserverance tempers growth and impatience. Perserverance is why I have never been able to comfortably quit a rotten job or romance. It is sometimes the only reason that projects get finished. It is also the reason that I have oatmeal every morning for breakfast. It is a very strong part of my overleaves and I am certain that the main reason behind choosing it was to temper the pull of growth and impatience.
Shannon


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:36:06 -0600
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-08-05 of Michael Teachings List

Dave wrote:

 

That's true. Artisans always have a project going. Whether or
not they finish it is another story. Priests on the otherhand, scare me to death.

 

Dave, I'm with you. I seem to be surrounded by artisans (mother, brother, husband, many of my friends) and they are always working on twelve things at once, but the follow-through is often not there. I think artisans need warriors to get them to COMPLETE things. I have a lot of warrior energy from my casting and my ex depended on me for that - which got annoying after a while as I did not want to be managing HIS life all the time.

The other thing I've noticed about artisans is discussed in Otterly's website in his section on the different roles: They are so caught up in their own reality that it can be really, really hard to break through sometimes and get them to join you in what you consider to be the "real world." As Otterly says, with all those inputs, Artisans are pretty sure that they ARE in the real world . . . and they may be right . . . it's just not the reality the rest of us are occupying.

Priests just annoy me. As a Scholar I'm pretty sure that there is always much more to learn, so when someone comes at me insisting that they know "the truth" I'm immediately convinced that they are deluded.

Love,
Jody
Life task: "to express my inner art through Scholarly play."


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:58:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Artisan Males

<BIG CLIP>

 

>Of course, Sages are a great deal of fun to spend any sort of hang time with,
>unless you don't laugh at their jokes. I've learned that courtesy laughs are
>an integral part of getting along with a Sage.

 

Except for we Sages who can't remember the joke five minutes after we heard it. I am the worlds worst so I don't even bother trying to tell a joke but then that would put me out there and I try in this 3rd level to keep as much internal as possible.

 

>Warriors also make good companions, but there's a tendency to always want to
>have sex with them. ;-p

 

Hmmmmm and that's one of my biggest true play so I had to find a gooooood player...<silly grin> My Warrior SO sure helps to ground me though and I bring him lots of FUN!!!

Hugs (cause they are fun)
Diane


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:56:09 -0400
Subject: karma

I have a question for the group regarding the formation of karmic ribbons.
   It is something I've thought about before, but I was never able to come up with a good example. Then i saw something on the tellie that hits the nail on the head. It was about the ultra-conservative, right-wing attempts of some Christian groups to "reform" and "cure" homosexuals. Now, if a gay individual willingly goes in for this "treatment" and changes their lifestyle as a result, has their free choice been removed? As a liberal straight person with MANY gay friends, I am inclined to think that yes, their right to choose has been taken away and that karmic ribbons will be created due to this brainwashing. then again, if the person WANTS to deny who they are, is it still an imposed change? Help! What are you thoughts?

Peace,
Beth


Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:36:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Artisan Males

 

> PS, John M.--do a little dance for us, eh?? :^D

 

Lori,

    If you have the cyber dollars bills, I have the cyber g-string.

John M


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:25:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Karma

Beth wrote:

 

>It was about the ultra-conservative, right-wing attempts
>of some Christian groups to "reform" and "cure" homosexuals. Now, if a
>gay individual willingly goes in for this "treatment" and changes their
>lifestyle as a result, has their free choice been removed?

 

    From what I understand the choice of one's sexual orientation takes place at the completion of the second internal monad. (See pgs 90-93 in Yarbro's "Michael For The Millenium") There can be many reasons for what Michael refers to as "sexual orientation distortion," societal pressure being a major one. But brainwashing would fall under "mind fuck", right? thus, resulting in Karma? My question then is, how or where does one draw the line between cultural or familial imprinting and actual brainwashing? Or is it the choices made after the actual brainwash, that generates Karma? Hitler's Germany comes to mind....................

Sharon


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:36:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Artisan Males (Growth)

In a message dated 98-08-05 09:18:40 EDT, Shannon writes:

 

But if you think growth is bad try growth with a CF of impatience.

 

I think Sis already has those overleaves. ;-p

Dave


Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:01:58 -0700
Subject: Personality & Blood Types

 

> Shannon writes:
>
> << But if you think growth is bad try growth with a CF of impatience. >>
>
> I think Sis already has those overleaves. ;-p
>
> Dave

 

Yeah, I've got those....
I've learned how to slide to a lot of other overleaves when things get really too intense. Well, most of the time. ;-)

This reminds me, on another topic....
I started reading this book "Eat Right for Your Blood Type," by Dr. D'Adamo, after I guess at least 6 people told me about it and so I finally went out and got it, and it goes into the history of how blood type O was humanity's first blood type, and these early humans were hunters & gatherers, and how through migration and diversification of lifestyles based on the development of agriculture--type A came about, domestication and use of animals--type B came about--and then the more recent, last 1000 years or so, intermingling of cultures--type AB came about. Then it goes into how our immune systems differ according to blood type, and how certain foods can react with the antigens on each different blood type, so that what is a nourishing food for one person can be a disease-causing agent in another person, depending on their blood type. I just found that really fascinating. But the main thing I wanted to get to was the personality traits the Dr. and his father, who have been doing this research for years, have found among the blood types. Most specifically, the two most common blood types, A and O, A being a type that makes a person more community and cooperatively oriented, less able to handle long-term stress, and O being a type that is more a loner type, competitive and vital, handling stress well.

I started asking some people in my family and some friends and co-workers what their blood-types were just out of curiosity to see if this was true. So far it seems to hold up generally speaking. It also reminds me of some things to do with the soul-ages and the roles.

To me it seems that the type O's represent the Action axis, Warriors and Kings. And the type A's represent the Inspirational axis, Priests and Servers. (The book says blood type B creates a pretty balanced personality, and that AB is like a combination, so based on that, I would guess B might be the expression axis (?) and AB the neutral...but this is speculation. It may be we can't compare based on Michael's analogy.)

As far as soul-ages and the movement from the young-soul to mature-soul world, it's interesting to note that there are more and more type A's in the area where I live, when the world at large, I was told, is predominantly type O. Blood type A is dominant genetically, over O which is recessive, so A's growth in the world makes some sense anyway....And would naturally then lead to more of a communal type of world as generations grew, a more mature-soul (and baby-soul as well) way of life.

Anyways, in case you're curious, it says type A's (like me--I'm A+) are more suited to be vegetarians, and that type O's need a lot of protein, so being meat-eaters suits them well. It also says type B's are well suited to a combination of type A's and O's diet, as well as dairy products. AB had a combination of all of them, problems and good things as well, and a "friendly" immune system (meaning they can get a lot more infections than most of us.)

So I think this gives a lot of confirmation on what Michael has said through some channels that some bodies are genetically in need of things like meat and that we shouldn't all follow that popular new-age fad of all being vegetarians. Seems being a vegetarian (most of the time) is good for me though.

Blessings,
Lori


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 14:19:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-08-05

Jody wrote

 

>The other thing I've noticed about artisans is discussed in Otterly's
>website in his section on the different roles: They are so caught up in
>their own reality that it can be really, really hard to break through
>sometimes and get them to join you in what you consider to be the "real
>world." As Otterly says, with all those inputs, Artisans are pretty sure
>that they ARE in the real world . . . and they may be right . . . it's just
>not the reality the rest of us are occupying.

 

Can you be so sure we aren't? How do you know what reality the rest of them are occupying? The real world is the world as you perceive and it is always seen through the veil of your personal history, imprinting and belief system. It may be that artisans have the ability to see more of it (5 channels) Artisan may be saying, "there is much more to your "real world" than meets your five senses.

The real world is only one description of reality - probably a safer one that allows us to be accepted by our friends nieghbors and family. Its a more censored world. It is a limited world. Nobody will make fun of us if we accept the real world as our own.

So, you believe in a discarnate spirit of 1050 warrior and kings. Excuse me, but that is not part of the real world paradigm. Sounds like something a crazed artisan might dream up. The real world is all stock markets, taxes, auto insurance, leaking faucets and trips to the grocery store. If you can't master these and many more real world elements you will perish back into the realm of dead matter from where it all comes from. Remember, when you are dead you are dead.

The real world viewers like the familiar, the happy ending, the accessable, the predictable, the solid. The real world is a world of habit. The real world eats meat and potatos.

So, artisans, let us unite to confound the real world! Paint your pictures, tell you tales, make your pots with secret cracks, allow your imagination to pour forth into this most static of paradigms, this so called real world. If someone says you are crazy offer your gratitude - they are recognizing your keen skill at reading between the lines. You know best artisan, that all realities are separate - that is the game is it not?

From 5th entity skeptic sector

Ted


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 14:19:20 -0700
From: Ted Fontaine
Subject: Re: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

 

>My favorite game is to turn the radio dial in the car to static and pretend I'm
>the last man on earth. Then I'll stumble out of my car at a country filling
>station and crawl toward the startled attendant, screaming, "Thank God I'm
>not the last one!"

 

A message from the 5th Entity 1st Cadre:

Dear Dave:

We don't like our members wasting OUR time with silly "last one" games. We will, if you continue to ignore the entity directive, leave you behind. We are scheduled to leave on October 25, 2023 at 2am GMT. If you are not there we will petition The Grand Council of the Contingent to find a replacement for you and put you on another ship slated for a much later date.

We are all anxious to cycle off and we do not want any frivolous delays. If you like, we will offer your service station attendant your spot. (By the way, is she the one at the topless gas station in Lancaster by the the name of, "Top It Off" where you have been paying numerous visits? tsk tsk tsk Dave)

 

>A runner up is to accompany a friend or family member to a supermarket or
>mall, and when they stop to look at something, ease out a smelly hot air
>biscuit (you know the kind that could peel paint off the walls) and then
>immediately leave them standing in the musty death cloud, so that when
>someone walks by them, they get astonished looks that say, "My God, have you no
>shame? You smell so bad you could single-handedly gag an entire fleet of maggots."

 

Also we do not want any members fouling our atmosphere generating system. We will suggest you forgot the Ben & Jerrys as the fat is difficult to digest. Also note that the great hall of hot tubs has its own bubbling system.

Again, the rewards for compliance with the entity master plane will exceed your wildest fantasies. Your job description is available upon submission of Entity Form 11 Aleph.

Most respectably yours

ELOWEE, Commander of in Chief, Position 7, Cadence 7, Sector 7,
Division 1 of the 5th Entity, 1st Cadre. Otherwise known as Entity Central.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Fifth Entity News

Friday night the fifth entity will be challenging the 3rd entity to a game of "Whats My Incarnation" Winner receives a 100 year pass to Bowl o Rama Rama Rama's 10,000 lanes with the ever new, Bowling Golf combining the muscle of Bowling with the Country Club Lifestyle of Golf. Watch that 17 pound bowling ball fly 300 meters into the ninth hole or make a strike with that teeny weeny golf ball. It all happens at the Astral Night Luau Party - bring your Uke!

Entity Member in Position 3, Cadence 4, Sector 3, Division 4 has lost 3 of her incarnations. If you see them wandering the halls could you send the back to Akashic Record center for reloading.

The mating agreement center is finally open again. Entity member 3/1/1/3 will be replaying Temple of the Virgins lifetime simulator. Should be a FUN way to kick off the new season. Bring your own hot perfumed oils for the ultimate rub down.

A reminder. Jesus Christ will be visiting next week. He loves birthdays, so lets all surprise him with a suprise birthday party. He'll love it since it isn't even close to his birthday. He especially likes planets so bring him a special one of your own creation - but please no Uranus jokes.

4th entity members have been leaving their trash around the hot tubs. If you see any they need to have a guest pass. They are no better than lounge lizards but we do need to practise our unconditional love - however, we don't need to pick up after them. Send them to gate 6 if they don't have a guest pass. Why would anybody want to eat Gummy Bears anyway?

Jeannine wants to know if anybody has seen Dave. She has an important mating agreement that just can't wait. If you see Dave remind him of his position number so he can get back to his room and read his agreement book.

Need an agreement change? See Monica for the paperwork plus she is getting good at reading between the lines. Some of you are not reading the fine print. When you make an agreement please read the entire document, all 10000 pages. Fine print matters. Monica can help you through the subtle nuances especially in the "he said she said" clauses.


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:20:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

In a message dated 98-08-05 15:59:58 EDT, Lori writes:

 

So I think this gives a lot of confirmation on what Michael has said
through some channels that some bodies are genetically in need of things
like meat and that we shouldn't all follow that popular new-age fad of
all being vegetarians. Seems being a vegetarian (most of the time) is
good for me though.

 

Yeah, but in this respect, I think Michael is full of... He's implying that because of a genetic prerequisite, human beings are allowed to continue the holocaust against the animal species, and can continue to merrily destroy our environment because of our obsession with meat. I believe either Michael or his channelers are demonstrating a bias on this topic, because although type O blood types might find a positive in these findings, on a mass global scale, the end result is still a huge NEGATIVE. Perhaps it will come to adopting an Orwill-like society where only type-O's are allowed a ration of protein to survive, and everyone else is forced to ingest veggies. Just kidding...I'll leave that solution for the priests. ;-p
A drastic but effective solution could be, when we have the urge to eat a slab of steak, we must go out to a designated meat farm and kill our meal with our bare hands. Hmmm...I wonder if this would alter a few diets? Can any of you picture yourself ringing the neck of a live chicken just to satisfy your urge to eat a drumstick? What if you had to grab a machete and slit the throat of a cow every time you wanted a steak? ;-)

BTW, I believe I'm a type-B, but I'll have to double check.

Dave


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:29:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

Lori wrote:

 

>Anyways, in case you're curious, it says type A's (like me--I'm A+) are
>more suited to be vegetarians, and that type O's need a lot of protein,
>so being meat-eaters suits them well. It also says type B's are well
>suited to a combination of type A's and O's diet, as well as dairy
>products. AB had a combination of all of them, problems and good things
>as well, and a "friendly" immune system (meaning they can get a lot more
>infections than most of us.)

 

      I have heard of this book. As an O positive blood type, I must be an exception. I have been vegetarian for 25 years and currently am exploring the elimination of Dairy products from my diet. My own thing, really. Always has been. I can relate to being a loner, but I am one of those Artisans that needs her own space. I have a lunar type body. Lori, did you also compare body types to the system? Just curious...........

Best,
Sharon


Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:34:28 -0700
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

Hi Sharon,

I have not had the time yet to compare body types or anything, though that sounds fascinating too. :^) I certainly wouldn't take this book to be some kind of all-encompassing truth or complete authority by any means! :^) I was just reiterating some of what I read. I'm sure there are many exceptions. As an old soul, I've been kind of a loner in many ways myself all my life, but I can see that I have a lot of communal attributes as well.

Maybe someone else has some info on the body types? I remember at the AMT conference last year Emily Baumbach gave a talk on a new Michael book she is working on that relates disease, food, and body-type. I'm looking forward to that one coming out.

And to Dave--I respect your opinion on the AR debate--but I'm not going to argue with you! I'm tired of the topic, to be honest. It doesn't mean I don't care though. It's just not where I choose to focus my energy at this point. I don't think Michael was implying anything about masacring animals, IMHO. Heck, if you wanted some meat protein, you could go out into a field and dig up some worms and beetles. Are you going to harrass anyone about that? ;-) Go eat your Ben & Jerry's. Maybe it is good for YOU. ;-p

Love,
Lori


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:00:58 +0000
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

Lori sez:

 

> I started reading this book "Eat Right for Your Blood Type," by Dr.
> D'Adamo, after I guess at least 6 people told me about it ...

 

If you were around, I'd have been the 7th. I'm a type O who used to live on carbohydrates (my favorite meal was popcorn). Unfortunately, at a young age, this was contributing to some terrible arthritis pain & joint stiffness. Cutting out most grains/complex carbs & upping my protein intake (soy protein shakes, relax Dave) has not only stopped the arthritis, but I feel more alert during the day...no after-lunch drowsiness that high-carb meals create. And I've lost weight, too!

End of unpaid testimonial.

Dean

P.S. More info for those interested: http://www.dadamo.com/


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:13:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Artisans

Mary wrote:

 

Also, I think Artisans might get more creative work done when
they have time and space to themselves - I know I do. We do have to bring the results
of our talents out for the enjoyment and service of others, but it helps to
have a little time in the woodshed to think, open up, pull in our
"helpers," and synthesize. I have never seen this channeled anyplace, but
in my experience, we need this kind of space, perhaps more than other roles.

 

Victoria Marina channeled some relevant info about artisans; look in the Michael Questions & Answers section of her web page.

Jody


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:51:48 -0600
Subject: Re: Artisans

Ted, I think you missed my point, but perhaps I didn't make it very well.

Otterly's description of artisans as being "poor listeners" at first confounded me, because I have many artisan friends and they seem perfectly able to listen to me and give feedback - when I'm talking about ME. When we talk about THEM, however, it becomes frustrating. I've had many conversations with upset artisan friends where our talk SEEMS to move them into a new way of thinking about whatever is upsetting them; but the next time we talk, it's as if everything I said evaporated the instant I left or hung up.

I envy artisans in a lot of ways, but not in this. They seem, to me, to have a harder time "moving on" than the other roles. My ex has been led to many wise people of various disciplines, all of whom have given him the exact same advice. He knows that they are right, he says he can feel that they are, but he hasn't been able to change one single aspect of his self-destructive patterns. It's my believe that he persists in hoping that some outside agent will magically "cure" him, and that belief is just stronger than all the evidence and all the wisdom that has been given him.

I can give you similar examples from just about every artisan I know. I'm not trying to diss artisans, I'm trying to understand (the motto of the scholar, after all). I'm talking about people who are very important to me, whom I love. Maybe "moving on" is not the point, or is my value, not theirs, but many of these people seem to be in pain.

Any insights you artisans can share with me would be most appreciated.

Love,
Jody


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:49:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

In a message dated 98-08-05 18:32:28 EDT, Lori writes:

 

And to Dave--I respect your opinion on the AR debate--but I'm not going
to argue with you! I'm tired of the topic, to be honest. It doesn't
mean I don't care though. It's just not where I choose to focus my
energy at this point. I don't think Michael was implying anything about
masacring animals, IMHO. Heck, if you wanted some meat protein, you
could go out into a field and dig up some worms and beetles. Are you
going to harrass anyone about that? ;-)

 

Perhaps it's an artisan thing, but I've always empathized with insects. It would probably not be in your best interest to callously step on one in my presence. ;-p
Regardless, I don't think I outwardly harass people, but I do try to wake them up.

I'm very suspicious of channeling that supports the eating of meat\killing of animals without any consideration for the rights of the creatures being subjugated. I think some of the channeling is being filtered by personality so that it fits the channeler's personal beliefs about meat eating. Even Seth, who agrees that slaughterhouses are a product of society at the moment, also states that it's an unfortunate institution, and that a better way COULD be implemented. So are there any priests out there who would be willing to accept the challenge?

 

Go eat your Ben & Jerry's.
Maybe it is good for YOU. ;-p

 

I suppose if I BELIEVE it's good for me I could eat it 7 days a week and exclude everything else. Wow, what a delightful fantasy. Actually, I haven't had a pint of the decadent drug in months ;-)

Dave


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:57:34 EDT
Subject: Re: [interdimension-..] Re: A dream of Dr. Damasco

This is from another list on spiritweb. I'm not sure how Otterley got mentioned, unless he belongs to this list, too. But it looks like Dr.Damasco is everywhere. I suppose he enjoys the idea of being ubiquitous. ;-p

Dave

 

> Dear Elisa,
>
> I had a dream last night and in it I was in some great library with > Dr. Damasco reading over Otterly Blue's AKASHIC RECORD and laughing..............
>
>
> Hello, Goodbye, Hello, Rael

 


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:12:41 -0500
Subject: Website Info-second try

To everyone (including the lurkers),

It is my fond hope to have the first Newsletter up on the new Website by the first of October. This is not just for the Students, it is to be "by" the students. I need your "humor", your "poetry" and I would like to have two of you to be the first "Spotlight On Michael Students" subjects. If you would like to be spotlighted, I would like a short bio, your Overleaves, your profession (no Dave, no "Ben & Jerry" tester stuff) and whatever info you would like to share with the other Students. It would be nice to have a photo of you, but I leave that up to you. If you want to send me a photo, I'll have it scanned and put it up on the Site. I went ahead and picked a domain URL for it and when things are further along, I'll send it to all of you.

I also need the names & email addresses of those who would like to have the Newsletter by email. I know there are some of you who have email, but no Web access.

The last time I asked you for some input, I got zilch! So please don't think that everyone else will contribute, so it won't be necessary for you to do so. Have lined up the first two channels and one of the two students to write the first Newsletter articles. (I think the second one is out of town-at least I hope that's why I haven't heard from him.)

So please, all of you Artisans who write poetry and sketches, Sages who will normally do anything to get attention, Scholars who have "pet" theories, Servers who should get in the limelight more, Warriors with a plan, Priests with a Passion, and Kings for whatever reason, send me some goodies to share with all. And for you Newbies, send any general questions (I'll get the Scholars to answer them). I'm eagerly awaiting your input.

Love & Laughter

Jeanne

5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination;
Passion; Pragmatist; Self-Dep/Arrogance/
Intellectual Center, moving part


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:01:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Artisans

In a message dated 8/5/98 7:58:52 PM, Jody writes:

 

I've had many conversations with upset artisan friends where our talk SEEMS to move them
into a new way of thinking about whatever is upsetting them; but the next
time we talk, it's as if everything I said evaporated the instant I left or hung up.

 

I have also noticed this same phenomenon with artisans. I know I have been guilty of it myself at times (I'm a Sage), but it really sticks out in a couple artisan friends and ex-friends that come to mind.

Martha


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:07:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

I also read this book and wondered if it worked. I'm a type O Sage with arthritic problems. Maybe I should take another look at it.

Martha

Old Sage, growth, passion, realist, stubborn, emotional center, did I forget anything? Life task: for years Michael refused to tell me (too young chronologically and I would obsess - :P :P :P), but they have recently dropped the hint that it is teaching through media (way to be specific there, Mike entity).


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:27:22 -0600
Subject: Re: Artisans

 

>Victoria Marina channeled some relevant info about artisans; look in the Michael Questions &
> Answers section of her web page. (from Jody)

 

Thank you for directing me to this site - I enjoyed reading the article you pointed out and several others. Now I have even more excuses for only finishing half my art projects (not altogether a bad percentage, really).

I liked the material on dolphins at the same site, if anybody's interested in looking it up.

 

>I envy artisans in a lot of ways, but not in this. They seem, to me, to have
>a harder time "moving on" than the other roles. (Jody)

 

I was wondering if this wasn't more of a CF thing than a role thing. Stubbornness, Self Dep, and Greed could all prevent people from letting go of bad habits. The important person in my life who could not let go of some very bad habits that were killing him was an Old Server in both Self Deprecation and Caution. While the story behind this is not of general interest, I wonder if it's not a lot like the one you are referring to when you wrote the following:

 

> My ex has been led to many wise people of various disciplines, all of whom
> have given him the exact same advice. . . . (snipped) he hasn't been able
> to change one single aspect of his self-destructive patterns.

 

Hope it doesn't sound like I'm just defending us Artisans here, I don't mean to be. I have no trouble believing we're some of the stranger people around.

Personally, I find it easy to be around Kings. They want to run everything, which makes it very convenient for me to go off and do whatever I see that needs doing. They hold the party, and I get to decorate the room/play the music/make the food. Works great. Not very many of them around, though, it seems to me. Any Kings in the readership? (I haven't been here too long, maybe I ought to know but I don't.)

Mary P.

*******************************
7th level Old Artisan/Spiritualist/
Acceptance/Perseverence/
Stubbornness
*******************************


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:07:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-08-04 of Michael Teachings List

  Hey all....!

I'm a fella who, for the past several months has been reading and re-reading the Michael books...the first one and the fourth. Like most of you Im sure, the information just "feels right"; no unnecessary dogma, no b.s. requiring acceptance of the knowledge...moving, informative, and funny in many spots..! Here's my problem: I CANNOT find the two middle books, "More Messages..." and "Michaels People" ANYWHERE. Its frustrating, since Im trying to figure out my overleaves, modes etc, and am having a difficult time with it. Im thinkin' its because I dont have ALL the information presented by them(Michael), and the full array and impact of the knowledge presented in the 3rd and 4th books. Is there anyone who can tell me WHERE I might find copies of said tomes, or would be willing to exchange or otherwise trade goods for such??? I thank you all kindly!

         probable sage with chief feature of self depreciation,
         Steven A.


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 23:05:45 -0700
Subject: Re: Artisans

 

>Ted, I think you missed my point, but perhaps I didn't make it very well.

 

No, I probably didn't read it very well - I just was in the mood to spout off on one of my favorite topics, that is, "what is this consensus reality anyway and why on earth do we consider it real?". A possible topic for some future verbal meandering.

Anyway, this channel from the wayside world of the 5th entity will be in Colorado Springs all next week. I will be doing a Michael Channeling for a group of people. If any of you are in the area and would like to attend please let me know via EMail by close of business tommorrow (9pm PST) and I will send you a phone number where I can be reached this coming Monday.

Yours -- Ted


Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 15:49:21 +0800
Subject: Re:

Philip Wittmeyer wrote on 4/8/98 5:52 pm:

 

> I do, however, think professional sports are a stupid waste of time and I
>much prefer the company of women.
>
>Phil

 

LOL! I will have to add that it depends on what "sports" you are referring to. In my dictionary, activities like ice skating, gymnastic, sports diving (as in scuba diving for non-job oriented function like underwater welding), are sports, and quite many professionals are doing them. These I don't consider a waste of time. :-) But an enrichment of experiences.

J J Tan

=====
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.


Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 15:56:55 +0800
Subject: Re: Artisan Males (Growth)

Shannon wrote on 5/8/98 1:16 pm:

 

>Thankfully that doesnt happen too often. But what has been GOOD WORK for
>me is to understand how the Mode of perserverance tempers growth and
>impatience. Perserverance is why I have never been able to comfortably quit a
>rotten job or romance. It is sometimes the only reason that projects get
>finished. It is also the reason that I have oatmeal every morning for breakfast. It
>is a very strong part of my overleaves and I am certain that the main reason
>behind choosing it was to temper the pull of growth and impatience.
>Shannon

 

Hi, just want to add that I, too, have Goal of Growth, and CF of Impatience. My mode, however, is Reserve. And I have to agree that it just about overshadow other aspects of my overleaves. It was probably the "binding" force that keeps me from dumping everything and take up causes, paths, etc. And yes, I get into the "opposite mode" Passion sometimes. I also think that it is this Reserve Mode that makes me a serious person, rather than a fun person like what a Sage should be. :-) I used to think of myself as a Scholar, because of my love of information, as well as this "not-fun" nature. But as I observe myself more, I find that I don't really crave information like a Scholar (I have met some people who fit better with "Scholar" for their abilities to remember a lot of details). My validation of being a Sage comes from my tendency to look at the "bigger picture", more "exalted" (perhaps Old soul age affects, too). And more than "collecting information", I enjoy "disseminating information". And that's what others describe me, too. Aside from being "boring" (not-fun), or "too serious", I am also "forcing information down their throats". :-)

(Doesn't that sound Priest-like? Kenneth Broom channeled me as having Priest imprintment, though I have no idea where that imprintment came from... my parents seldom behave Priest-like.)

Regards.

J J Tan

=====
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:05:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

In a message dated 8/5/98 11:04:42 PM, Dean wrote:

 

If you were around, I'd have been the 7th. I'm a type O who used to
live on carbohydrates (my favorite meal was popcorn). Unfortunately,
at a young age, this was contributing to some terrible arthritis pain
& joint stiffness. Cutting out most grains/complex carbs & upping my
protein intake (soy protein shakes, relax Dave) has not only stopped
the arthritis, but I feel more alert during the day...no after-lunch
drowsiness that high-carb meals create. And I've lost weight, too!

 

Just curious, Dean, did your sleep patterns change at all. I am O+, popcorn eating-vegitarian, Sage/Scolar, who needs tons of sleep. You post sparked the idea that it may have something to do with the carbo vs. protein intake.
PJ


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:35:08 -0400
Subject: Artisan

This is my first posting to this site. I have been avidly reading all the posts for the past couple of days. I am an Artisan....no boo's please!!!!! Classic, with my head/hands thinking of the next costume, the next design....until my daughter yells at me as I have forgotten to make dinner. Jeez!!! she wants to eat????

I have a goal of re-evaluation. I haven't heard of anyone on here with that. I am so new to this. I am just now reading about soul ages.

I already knew about the link between blood type and diet. I am an A+ as well, Lori. I do best on a vegetarian diet. I remember the first time I tasted dahl...my stomach sang :)))

Anyways, I am hoping I have posted this correctly.

Brightest Blessings,
Susan


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:56:09 +0800
From: Dr. E.L.Damasco
Subject: RAEL DREAM

 

This is from another list on spiritweb. I'm not sure how Otterley got
mentioned, unless he belongs to this list, too. But it looks like Dr.Damasco
is everywhere. I suppose he enjoys the idea of being ubiquitous. ;-p

>Dear Elisa,
>
>I had a dream last night and in it I was in some great library with
> Dr. Damasco reading over Otterly Blue's AKASHIC RECORD and laughing..............
>
> Hello, Goodbye, Hello, Rael

 

Hay Dave,

      Why not direct your question to the lister ?
      Hay Mickey Artist, do I enjoys the idea of being ubiquitous. Again, you must be possesed with your discarnate entity You will wet again the floor. Don't mess with me. You will understand when maggots become worms. You will feel them scratching your... and coming out of your..... A small demonstaration of materialization. Babies have power and lethal. We play with POWERS !!!
      Laughter...bye, happy playing... eeee(Sesame kid)


Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:00:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

 

> ... protein intake (soy protein shakes, relax Dave) has not only stopped
> the arthritis, but I feel more alert during the day...no after-lunch
> drowsiness that high-carb meals create. And I've lost weight, too!
>
> End of unpaid testimonial.
>
> Dean
>
> P.S. More info for those interested: http://www.dadamo.com/

 

Dean, I was checking out that website--whoa!! They had a message board up until Aug. 4!!! Imagine that--only one day before I saw the site, they shut down the message board! And I was ready to pounce on it! ;-) Dang I hate it when that happens. But there are archives anyway which are good.

And Dave, I tried to send you a message from the FAQ there that might have placated some of your AR bristly hairs, but my email was returned, saying your mailbox was full! Hello.....

Fired up little Scholar, :^)
Lori


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:59:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

In a message dated 8/5/98 3:59:31 PM, Lori writes:

 

>Most specifically, the two most common blood types, A and O, A
>being a type that makes a person more community and cooperatively
>oriented, less able to handle long-term stress, and O being a type that
>is more a loner type, competitive and vital, handling stress well.

 

      I find all this really interesting (more stuff to feed the unquenchable scholarly thirst for knowledge!!) mainly because of my strange eating habits and my strange blood!!
      My family is littered with some of the rarer blood types. I am AB neg. The rarest blood type (I think it occurs in .1% of the population). My grandmother and my Aunt have AB neg which defies the odds. I find it's interesting that my father is a priest with B neg blood and of my three children my priestly daughter inherited the B neg (against the odds!). My priestly daughter is also one who has the worst immune system. She was the only one in our family who was innoculated against the Chicken Pox but yet got them anyway and got a worse case than anyone of my other children. Whereas me with AB neg blood I rarely get sick. For example, I have the antibodies for Chicken Pox but never got any outward signs of having the disease in childhood.
      I have AB neg blood but yet crave high protein foods especially diary products. And if I dont have a minimum amount of them my energy levels drop like a wind-up toy. My energy levels are so tied to food that if I ever tried to diet I wouldnt be able to get out of bed.
      I do wonder though is there a correlation between essence/soul age or overleaves in general and sickness or disease? Whenever I get sick I always feel like somehow I was responsible.
Shannon


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:04:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

In a message dated 98-08-05 17:28:48 EDT, Ted writes:

 

We are all anxious to cycle off and we do not want any frivolous delays.
If you like, we will offer your service station attendant your spot. (By
the way, is she the one at the topless gas station in Lancaster by the
the name of, "Top It Off" where you have been paying numerous visits? tsk
tsk tsk Dave)

 

Hey, with her mounds of pleasure that defy all laws of gravity, can you blame me? ;-p (Mumbling incoherently) "Babes....babes..."

 

Fifth Entity News

Friday night the fifth entity will be challenging the 3rd entity to a
game of "Whats My Incarnation" Winner receives a 100 year pass to Bowl o
Rama Rama Rama's 10,000 lanes with the ever new, Bowling Golf combining
the muscle of Bowling with the Country Club Lifestyle of Golf. Watch that
17 pound bowling ball fly 300 meters into the ninth hole or make a strike
with that teeny weeny golf ball. It all happens at the Astral Night Luau
Party - bring your Uke!

 

That is the closest description to a living Hell that I have ever read. Toss in Neil Diamond and we'd have a scenario that only the mind of Clive Barker could dream up. ;-)

Dave


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:22:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

In a message dated 98-08-06 16:14:33 EDT, Lori writes:

 

And Dave, I tried to send you a message from the FAQ there that might
have placated some of your AR bristly hairs, but my email was returned,
saying your mailbox was full! Hello.....

Fired up little Scholar, :^) Lori

 

Yes, I daily receive hundreds of e-mails. I must stop being so popular. ;-p


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:00:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

 

> Just curious, Dean, did your sleep patterns change at all. I am O+,
> popcorn eating-vegitarian, Sage/Scolar, who needs tons of sleep. Your
> post sparked the idea that it may have something to do with the
> carbo vs. protein intake.
> PJ

 

Well, I'm a world-champion in the sleep department, but whether my shift from an average of nearly 10 hours a day down to around 8 is directly caused by my change in diet, I can't say for certain -- there've been a lot of other changes going on at the same time...

Certainly this information has stopped me from beginning the day with cereals or pastries, then lunching on high carb foods, and then snacking on some more later in the day. Now I don't feel like I'm forever trying to function from inside some lethargic fog. Michael once told something to the effect that "the better you eat the better you will feel," which I guess isn't as true for one person as the next.

The sleep thing never bothered me, it was the always feeling tired during the day part that did. Somewhere in the Michael literature it says that older souls generally prefer to spend more time sleeping, using the time for astral play, or somesuch (where's Dick Hein when you need him?), so maybe this isn't something to be too concerned about?

Dean


Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 16:13:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

What does that say about those of us who can't sleep at all?! (Well, ALMOST at all..) Help!!!

operacat

 

> Well, I'm a world-champion in the sleep department
> Somewhere in the Michael literature it
> says that older souls generally prefer to spend more time sleeping,
> using the time for astral play, or somesuch (where's Dick Hein when
> you need him?), so maybe this isn't something to be too concerned
> about?

 


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:35:05 EDT
From: Dave
Subject: Crystal Skull Background - Interesting

 

CRYSTAL SKULL RECORDS

At times, the Ancients did indeed reflect on the crystalline nature of our body and spirit, for
they imitated the human form and its energy patterns by carving it in solid crystal.

Without a doubt the most famous and enigmatic piece of ancient crystal discovered to date is
the Mitchell-Hedges crystal skull. One day in 1927, adventurer-explorer F. A. Mitchell-Hedges
was clearing debris from atop a ruined temple at the ancient Mayan city of Lubaantum,
located in British Honduras, now Belize, when his seventeen-year old daughter Anna, who
had accompanied him, suddenly saw something shimmering in the dust below. Anna found
an exquisitely carved and polished skull made of rock crystal, with the jaw piece missing.
Three months later, she located the jaw in an excavation about 25 feet from the first site.

The skull was made from a single, unusually large block of clear quartz crystal, and
measured 5 inches high, 7 inches long, and 5 inches wide, weighing 11 pounds, 7 ounces. It
closely corresponds in size to a small human cranium, with near perfect detail, even to
rendering the skull without the globular prominence or superciliary ridges, which are
characteristics of a female.

In 1970, art conservator and restorer Frank Dorland was given permission by the
Mitchell-Hedges estate to submit the quartz skull to tests conducted at the Hewlett-Packard
Laboratories at Santa Clara, California. From these tests, and from careful studies done by
Dorland himself, the skull revealed a whole array of anomalies.

When submersed in a benzyl alcohol bath, with a beam of light passing through, it was noted
that both the skull and jaw piece had come from the same quartz block. What was
astounding to the testers, however, is they found that the skull and jaw had been carved with
total disregard to the natural crystal axis in the quartz. In modern crystallography, the first
procedure is always to determine the axis, to prevent fracturing and breakage during the
subsequent shaping process. Yet, the skull's maker appears to have employed methods by
which such concerns were not necessary.

The unknown artist also used no metal tools. Dorland was unable to find signs of any tell-tale
scratch marks on the crystal, under high-powered microscopic analysis. Indeed, most metals
would have been ineffectual, for the crystal has a specific gravity of 2.65, and a Mohs
hardness factor of 7. In other words, even a modern penknife cannot make a mark on it.

From tiny patterns in the quartz near the carved surfaces, Dorland determined the skull was
first meticulously chiselled into a rough form, probably using diamonds. The finer shaping,
grinding and polishing, Dorland believes, was done by applying innumerable applications of
solutions of water and silicon-crystal sand. The big problem is, if these were the processes
used, then, as Dorland calculated, it would mean that a total of 300 man-years of continuous
labour was spent in making the skull. We must accept this almost unimaginable feat, or
admit to the use of some form of lost technology in the skull's creation the likes of which we
have no equivalent today.

The enigma of the skull, however, does not end with just its making. The zygomatic arches
(the bone arch extending along the sides and front of the cranium) are accurately separated
from the skull piece, and act as light pipes, using principles similar to modern optics, to
channel light from the base of the skull to the eye sockets. The eye sockets in turn are
miniature concave lenses that also transfer light from a source below, into the upper cranium.
Finally, in the interior of the skull is a ribbon prism and tiny light tunnels, by which objects
held beneath the skull are magnified and brightened.

Richard Garvin, who authored a book about the crystal skull, believes the skull was designed
to be placed over an upward shining beam. The result, with the various light transfers and
prismatic effects, would illuminate the entire skull and cause the sockets to become glowing
eyes. Dorland performed experiments using this technique, and reported the skull 'lights up
like it was on fire.'

Still another finding about the crystal skull reveals knowledge of weights and fulcrum points.
The jaw piece fits precisely onto the skull by two polished sockets, which allow the jaw to
move up and down. The skull itself can be balanced exactly where two tiny holes are drilled
on each side of its base, which probably once held suspending supports. So perfect is the
balance at these points that the slightest breeze causes the skull to nod back and forth, the
jaw opening and closing as counter-weight. The visual effect is that of a living skull, talking
and articulating.

The question, of course, is what purpose did this serve? was it only designed by its artist as a
clever toy or conversation piece, or, as Dorland believes, was the talking skull meant to be
used as an oracular device, through strange phenomena associated with the crystal skull, that
defy logical explanation.

Observers have reported that, for unknown reasons, the skull will change colour. Sometimes
the frontal cranium clouds up, looking like white cotton, while at other times it turns
perfectly clear, as if the space within disappears into an empty void. Over a period from 5 to
6 minutes, a dark spot often begins forming on the right side and slowly blackens the entire
skull, then recedes and disappears as mysteriously as it came. Other observers have seen
strange scenes reflected in the eye sockets, scenes of buildings and other objects, even though
the skull is resting against a black background. Still others have heard ringing noises
emanating from within, and at least on one occasion, a distinct glow from no known light
source surrounded the skull like an aura for up to six minutes.

The sum total of the skull appears to take in all five physical senses of the brain. It changes
colour and light, it emits odours, it creates sound, it gives off sensations of heat and cold to
those who touch it, even though the crystal has always remained at a physical temperature of
70 degrees F under all conditions, and has even produced sensations of thirst and sometimes
of taste in a few cases.

Dorland is of the opinion that what is happening in all this phenomena is that the 'crystal
stimulates an unknown part of the brain, opening a psychic door to the absolute.' He
observes, 'crystals continuously put out electric-like radio waves. Since the brain does the
same thing, they naturally interact.' He has found, too, that periodic happenings in the crystal
skull are due to the positions of the sun, moon and planets in the sky.

Researcher Marianne Zezelic agrees that the skull was primarily used to stimulate and
amplify the psychic abilities in its handlers. She observes: 'Crystal serves as an accumulator
of terrestrial magnetism. By gazing at the crystal, the eyes set up a harmonic relation
stimulating the magnetism collected in that portion of the brain known as the cerebellum.
The cerebellum therefore becomes a reservoir of magnetism which influences the quality of
the magnetic outflow through the eyes, thus setting up a continuous flow of magnetism
between gazer and crystal. The amount of energy entering the brain eventually increases to
such a proportion as to affect the poles of the brain, a region extending just above the eyes,
contributing to psychic phenomena.'

Going a step further, Tom Bearden, an expert in the field of psychotronic studies, believes
that, in the hands of a skilled meditator and mental focaliser, the crystal skull also served not
only as a vehicle to transform life field energy into electromagnetic energy and other physical
effects, but also aided in healing, by the altering of its crystalline resonance to match that of a
patient's mind and body frequencies, and affecting curing energies on the skull that would
manifest in the patient's auric field. The skull should thus be used as an amplifier and a
transmitter of psychic and earth energy forces.

When looking at the sum total of skill and knowledge incorporated in the Mitchell-Hedges
skull, modern science is stumped as to how to explain it. Author Richard Garvin summarised
the findings in these words: 'It is virtually impossible today -- in the time when men have
climbed mountains on the moon -- to duplicate this achievement. The lenses, light pipes, and
prisms alone display a technical competence that the human race only achieved recently. In
fact, there is no one on the globe today who could attempt to duplicate the carving. It would
not be a question of skill, patience and time. It would simply be impossible. As one
crystallographer from Hewlett-Packard said, 'the damned thing simply shouldn't be.'

But it does exist, and while we cannot explain it in terms of any known form of technology,
we can explain it only as the product of a technology far advanced to our own, but which
vanished and was forgotten long ago -- the technology of a Golden Age.

 


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 07:53:04 +0800
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

At 12:05 PM 8/6/98 -0000, PJ wrote:

 

>In a message dated 8/5/98 11:04:42 PM, Dean wrote:
>
> << If you were around, I'd have been the 7th. I'm a type O who used to
>live on carbohydrates (my favorite meal was popcorn). Unfortunately,
>at a young age, this was contributing to some terrible arthritis pain
>& joint stiffness. Cutting out most grains/complex carbs & upping my
>protein intake (soy protein shakes, relax Dave) has not only stopped
>the arthritis, but I feel more alert during the day...no after-lunch
>drowsiness that high-carb meals create. And I've lost weight, too! >>
>
>Just curious, Dean, did your sleep patterns change at all. I am O+, popcorn
>eating-vegitarian, Sage/Scolar, who needs tons of sleep. You post sparked the
>idea that it may have something to do with the carbo vs. protein intake.
>PJ

 

I have heard my colleagues mentioned that to avoid drowsiness after a meal, try not to eat too much starch in the meal. Perhaps the starch require certain type of digestive actions that draws more blood away from the brain. Or perhaps meat (proteins) takes longer time to go through stomach (longer digestive action) that the absorbing actions (small intestines) comes much later and in smaller "dosage". It is this absorbing actions that requires blood vessels to carry the nutrients for "further processing".

Just my observation. It's true for me, too. If I don't take too much starch, I don't feel drowsy afterwards.

Regards.

J J Tan


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:07:53 -0600
Subject: Re: Perseverance

Shannon wrote:

 

Perserverance is why I have never been able to comfortably quit a rotten job or romance.

 

Oh girlfriend, I KNOW what you mean!!

Jody
growth/perseverance


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:00:46 +0800
Subject: Re: Personality & Blood Types

At 07:57 PM 8/5/98 -0000, Lori Tostado wrote:

 

>I started asking some people in my family and some friends and
>co-workers what their blood-types were just out of curiosity to see if
>this was true. So far it seems to hold up generally speaking. It also
>reminds me of some things to do with the soul-ages and the roles.

 

Just like to comment a little here... that about 16 years ago, I have already noticed books, published by Taiwan publishers (Chinese books) on personality traits according to blood type. At that time, I thought it was as much "fortune-telling" stuff as palmistry. Not that I rejected it out-right, but I was sorta groaning with "not that again"... (here in Singapore, "New Age" usually means "fortune-telling" and very little else, so you can understand why I groan when I try to find good stuffs in the "New Age" section... and yes, I found Michael's Teachings books in "New Age" section... not that there are many, in the first place, I was lucky to have found the 1st 2 books about 10 years ago.)

/end rambling

J J Tan


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 17:10:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Artisan

Welcome fellow artisan.

 

>This is my first posting to this site. I have been avidly reading all the
>posts for the past couple of days. I am an Artisan....no boo's please!!!!!
> Classic, with my head/hands thinking of the next costume, the next
>design....until my daughter yells at me as I have forgotten to make dinner.
> Jeez!!! she wants to eat????

 

Agreed - what is this dinner thing they hang upon us like chains around a prisoner. Must we submit to these bizzare customs imposing upon our creative spirits! Eating? What is that anyway? Has anybody really looked into that!!?? Where does all that food go anyway after we waste our creative energies chewing and swallowing? Dave has and he has all the grim details. If its round and grow on a tree and doesn't require us to pound and pulverize or confine us to a sink full of greasy pots and pans which was some warriors idea of what is good for us, then by all means, let us eat.

 

>I have a goal of re-evaluation. I haven't heard of anyone on here with
>that. I am so new to this. I am just now reading about soul ages.

 

Seriously here (as opposed to my sage imitations above) - are you sure of reevaluation as a goal? Maybe you would like to share your reasons with us and get a second opinion from Michael's Peanut Gallery. It would make an interesting topic.

Yours -- Ted


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:22:06 -0600
Subject: Re: Where's Dick?

Just wondering . . . anybody heard from Dick Hein in a while, or did the hackers get him too? Dick, are you still there?

Jody
Scholar missing role-mate


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:30:34 +0000
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-08-04

Hi Steven
If you are not able to find More messages....... anywhere, i think i saw that one in a bookstore here lately. I can check it out for you and send it to you if you like.
Just let me know,

*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*
   Warm greetings from Iceland
                thorunn

 

>I'm a fella who, for the past several months has been reading and re-reading
>the Michael books...the first one and the fourth. Like most of you Im sure,
>the information just "feels right"; no unnecessary dogma, no b.s. requiring
>acceptance of the knowledge...moving, informative, and funny in many spots..!
>Here's my problem: I CANNOT find the two middle books, "More Messages..." and
>"Michaels People" ANYWHERE. Its frustrating, since Im trying to figure out my
>overleaves, modes etc, and am having a difficult time with it. Im thinkin' its
>because I dont have ALL the information presented by them(Michael), and the
>full array and impact of the knowledge presented in the 3rd and 4th books.
>Is there anyone who can tell me WHERE I might find copies of said tomes, or
>would be willing to exchange or otherwise trade goods for such??? I thank you
>all kindly!
>
>          probable sage with chief feature of self depreciation,
>          Steven A.

 


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:10:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-08-04

In a message dated 98-08-06 20:34:48 EDT, Thorunn writes:

 

Hi Steven
If you are not able to find More messages....... anywhere, i think i saw
that one in a bookstore here lately. I can check it out for you and send it
to you if you like.
Just let me know,

 

I also have a copy, and I'll happily sell to anyone interested, for say $500 dollars.

Dave - just your average enterprising Artisan.


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:35:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Crystal Skull Background - Interesting

dAVE,
      THANKS FOR THE FASCINATING INFO ABOUT THE CRYSTAL SKULL. i'VE BEEN INTRIGUED BY THAT EVER SINCE i SAW IT AS A YOUNGSTER ON iN sEARCH of... wHERE'D YOU FIND ALL THAT STUFF?!

pEACE,
bETH


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:24:46 -0600
Subject: Re: Crystal Skull

I enjoyed reading the crystal skull thing - I've seen pictures of it previously, it's weird - but I have such mixed thoughts about this stuff. Half of me wants to be curious and amazed and half of me says "don't believe everything you see in the Internet - this smells like a hoax."

I very much enjoy believing in the inexplicable and prefer to keep an open mind about anomalous phenomena - I am particularly interested in crop circles - but I can't quite make peace in my mind with the crystal skull. At one point I read that they had found something like five of the things, and I was really beginning to wonder what somebody was up to.

I'll be interested to read others' impressions and possibly get enough information to clear this up. I'm not very good at playing Skeptic.
------------
On other matters -
from Shannon:

 

>I do wonder though is there a correlation between essence/soul age or
>overleaves in general and sickness or disease?

 

Someplace, Michael says old souls rarely get sick unless they choose that route to learn a particular lesson. I'm as healthy as a horse, knock on wood, so I always assumed I just picked other media for my lessons. (In addition, I come from a family of healthy old souls, so I can credit the genes I selected for some of this.) Artisans of course are known to amuse themselves by creating illnesses. I'm glad I seem to have found more pleasant creative outlets since I hate being sick.

How come everybody seems to know their blood type? Where do you find out?

 

>>I have a goal of re-evaluation. I haven't heard of anyone on here with
>>that. I am so new to this. I am just now reading about soul ages.
>>(someone whose name I lost, quoted by Ted)

 

Re-evaluation is of course often associated with a lifetime of being sick, disabled, etc - along with Ted I am curious about your opinion that you're now in re-evaluation. Are you disabled, or under some similar limitations?

from Dean:

 

>Somewhere in the Michael literature it
>says that older souls generally prefer to spend more time sleeping,
>using the time for astral play . . .

 

I sure do. I've been journaling my dreams nearly twenty years now and I can document nights upon nights of astral play, meeting people on the other side, and a lot of other interesting stuff that may not be on-topic for this list. I like to sleep A LOT. Like to the point it's a hobby.

More seriously, I think this is essential to health, since we're discussing health. In this young-soul society where people get all wrapped up in their treadmill-type unexamined lives, sleep is seen as a nuisance. If I could by example make a few people aware of the delights and benefits of sufficient sleep I'd think I did something really worthwhile. They don't seem to be paying attention, though . . . (sigh)

If you sleep enough that you wake up all new, nothing stuck in your energy field from yesterday, not only are you allowing your dreams to accomplish their processing function, but also you leave space for them to help you explore your future, make choices, gather information, meet friends, and do other cool stuff. It's not just wasted time. You're reclaiming a whole section of yourself people tend to disregard . . . (I'll quit before I start ranting)

Good night all . . .
Mary, **Artisan of Sleep**

*******************************
7th level Old Artisan/Spiritualist/
Acceptance/Perseverence/
Stubbornness
*******************************


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:27:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Amazing Randi (sp?) overleaves

Hi all,
    Has anyone ever channeled the overleaves of the amazing Randi? He was on 48 hours tonight and seems rather skeptical of anything beyond the physical. Skeptic obviously comes to mind but what about anything else?
Mike H


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:06:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Crystal Skull Background - Interesting

In a message dated 98-08-06 21:12:59 EDT, Beth writes:

 

dAVE,
    THANKS FOR THE FASCINATING INFO ABOUT THE CRYSTAL SKULL. i'VE BEEN
INTRIGUED BY THAT EVER SINCE i SAW IT AS A YOUNGSTER ON iN sEARCH of...
wHERE'D YOU FIND ALL THAT STUFF?!

 

I retrieved it from another mailing list I belong to called "Conscious Creation," which is a list-serv created by a Sethian couple who really suck. They not only possess the kind of wide-eyed, positive enthusiasm that made musicals like "Sound of Music" so easy to hate, but they're about as stimulating as a dried crust of bread.

Regardless, they occasionally post an interesting article or two, that is, when they're not informing me that everything I do in life is wrong.

Glad you enjoyed it. ;-)

Dave


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:28:03 EDT
Subject: M-H Crystal Skull

Dear Dave - Thanks for posting this.

Back in '89 I had the good fortune and synchronicity of seeing the skull and Anna Mitchell-Hedges at Lilydale, which is a spiritualist community in southwestern NY. Anna then was a big healthy tall 83-year-old woman. She served as the skull's custodian in Toronto and was trying to raise money and arrange a permanent home for it in London. Once each summer she would come to Lilydale and hundreds of people would come to the auditorium to see her presentation. It was really cool. I haven't been in touch and don't know where the skull is now or whether Anna is still alive.

Anna was a French girl who by some unusual arrangement was adopted by T.H Mitchell-Hedges. She went to Canada to join him at age 11 or so. He was an explorer and must have been a very interesting character. He held at least a dozen fishing records. Anna showed a slide of him with a ten-foot saw shark he had caught; the fish has a bony saw-like thingy several feet long protruding from its forehead. T-H was exploring the ancient ruins in British Honduras, now called Belize, with her. He would plant palm seedlings whenever they came upon an island with no trees on it. One day, when he was running out of money, he did this and his shovel hit a treasure chest full of goodies from the pirate Bluebeard.

Anna described finding first the jaw of the skull. It was a Wednesday afternoon when everyone was taking a siesta and she felt the urge to go explore the top of the ruined pyramid they were camping by. She had been told not to, but went anyway, and there it was. When the native Mayans in their party saw it, they went crazy with joy. The word went out and many Mayans from all around the jungle came and celebrated for many days, maybe weeks. The skull was in their legends and it had left them, but they believed it would return one day. For them it was like a deity.

After several weeks the Mayans decided that they were basically unworthy to be custodians of the skull. Their guidance told them that great misfortune would come to them if the skull stayed in their hands, and that Mitchell-Hedges should be the custodian. Anna succeeded him after his death. Mostly the skull was in Toronto, but it has traveled a lot.

Apparently the skull has a pretty high-class consciousness in it; I think in Michael terms it might be a whole entity or even a cadre. Someone channeled the being in the skull in a small paperback called, I think, "The Crystal Skull Speaks". There are lots and lots of miraculous healings and other strange and paranormal phenomena that people have experienced with it.

I went to Lilydale with a friend Claudine. We got in line early, got the best seats, and sat about ten feet away from it for maybe three hours. Claudine had headaches and strange energy phenomena turning on and off the whole time. She had quite an experience of spiritual opening. Shortly afterwards she did Barbara Brennan's four year spiritual healing course, then she studied with Rosalyn Bruyere, and she is very good at that work. For me, a thick and solid low-frequency scholar, nothing unusual happened at all. I guess I just soak it up so I can tell stories....

All the best, Ed


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:34:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Where's Dick?

In a message dated 98-08-06 20:20:31 EDT, Jody writes:

 

Just wondering . . . anybody heard from Dick Hein in a while, or did the
hackers get him too? Dick, are you still there?
Jody
Scholar missing role-mate

 

Rumor has it that he was involved in some shady deals with drug-runners, and was found beaten beyond recognition in a dumpster somewhere. Of course, I could be mistaken. ;-) Dick, if you're dead, leave us a sign from the astral plane, such as burning your effigy into our computer monitors. If you're alive, please return my copy of "The Gourmet's Guide to Eating Your ET."

Dave ;-)


Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:36:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-07-31 of Michael Teachings List

Michael Teachings List wrote:

 

> That got even more intense for me AFTER Morgan's birth! The reality of
> feedings every 3 hours round the clock makes you even less interested in
> trivial stuff. But it is truly a magical time!
>
> Martha

 

    You said it! i wonder how it will be this second time? I must say, I think about these births differently than i would have before Michael..I could feel these little souls waiting to be born (I have 2 agreements...) August 20th is the latest estimate--crossing my fingers (the sooner, the better)

--
Lynne T


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 21:37:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

 

>That is the closest description to a living Hell that I have ever read. Toss
>in Neil Diamond and we'd have a scenario that only the mind of Clive Barker
>could dream up. ;-)

 

Fortunatly for us, young Neil is not in the 5th/1st - although he looks like he could be, but no.......no, he couldn't be....but maybe....no, NO. If he is I am resigning.

Ted


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

    Ted,
    If I discover someone in my entity is disgusting do I get to change entities?????? Or, worse, I discover I am the only disgusting one. A little self deprecation there...
Mike H.


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:13:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

Hi all,
    I wonder how your own growth would be affected if you had a really bad guy in your entity like Hitler? Has anyone channeled any info on that kind of thing? How would the growth be experienced if you chose to be the bad guy?

Mike H.


Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:55:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: artisan quirks

Jody wrote.....

 

Otterly's description of artisans as being "poor listeners" at first
confounded me, because I have many artisan friends and they seem
perfectly able to listen to me and give feedback - when I'm talking about ME.
When we talk about THEM, however, it becomes frustrating. I've had many
conversations with upset artisan friends where our talk SEEMS to move
them into a new way of thinking about whatever is upsetting them;......"

 

Speaking as an artisan, I find words a difficult medium and can't wait till we can all comunicate telepathically. Even when I write, I trip over my words and have hard time interpreting my thoughts with the full.........eeechhhhhhrrrgg!!I REALLY admire writers and people who speak well.

 

but the next time we talk, it's as if everything I said evaporated the instant I
left or hung up.

 

Personally, once the conversation is over and there is no evidence of having to store the content of the conversation for future or current use, (such as solving a problem or doing a task for someone) I forget it.I have a warrior friend who can remember whole lines from movies (a lot of movies) that he saw years ago. How do they do that?

 

I envy artisans in a lot of ways, but not in this. They seem, to me, to have
a harder time "moving on" than the other roles.

 

Sometimes I get stuck in a rut, usually job related. But I think it's just "laziness" on my part.I can't speak for other artisans here.

Morgan

===
The trick about life is to make it look easy.


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Yarbro books

I've noticed that several people have been looking for the Yarbro Books and those books seem to be hard to come by. I don't know the legalities of what I'm about to suggest, perhaps Shepherd and any other authors or publishers would care to enlighten me about it, but if a book is out of print (as these seem to be) is it ok if someone were to type the manuscript and post it up on the Net somewhere for people to read?
There's a phone number in New York for Special Market, The Berkley Publishing Group 212-951-8891 Maybe a "lister" in the area could call and find out if they have any intentions of releasing these books again which would be the ideal solution or if it would be ok to post them online. I'd call, but it's expensive to call from Hawaii only to have to climb a "phone tree" or get put on hold so long you could buy a plane ticket with what you'd spend on the call.Any typists out there waiting in the wings?

Aloha from Morgan

===
The trick about life is to make it look easy.


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 04:10:16 EDT
Subject: The Can Opener

Yes, the spiritual revelations never cease, as evidenced by this stirring story below. I nabbed it from a metaphysical website that I love to visit from time to time when I need a good laugh. I wonder if these women ever tried to wake a sleeping bag? Now I know why people like the Amazing Randi are so determined to undermine anything with the label of New Age. Sure, reality can blink on and off, but so can brains, and as detailed below, apparently vision can, too. This gives new meaning to that ageist phrase of disparaging longevity - "blind as a bat." ;-p

 

The Disappearing-Reappearing Can Opener

Kristen's story: My friend Becky was over with her kids and we were looking
for the can opener to open a can of tuna fish. It's ALWAYS in the silverware
drawer, but Becky looked there and couldn't find it. She looked everywhere in
the kitchen and it wasn't there. Then *I* looked. Not in the drawer, not in
the kitchen. We watched as a few of her kids looked for it. No luck. It had
simply disappeared. We were perplexed, but decided not to worry about it, and
did other things - never leaving the kitchen. When we opened the silverware
drawer a few minutes later, the can opener was RIGHT THERE, in the spot it's
ALWAYS in. {{Imagine that...;-p} A little example to show us that objects
really can and DO blink on and off in our reality. Ever notice how something
you've had for a long time but don't much care about, or think about, or put
much energy into, can just be GONE... with no recollection of where you might
have lost it along the way?

 

No....
Boy, this evidence is about as slick as snot on a doorknob.

Dave


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 06:57:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Sleep

In a message dated 8/6/98 11:02:52 PM, Dean wrote:

 

Well, I'm a world-champion in the sleep department, but whether my
shift from an average of nearly 10 hours a day down to around 8
is directly caused by my change in diet, I can't say for certain ....older
souls generally prefer to spend more time sleeping,
using the time for astral play, or somesuch (where's Dick Hein when
you need him?), so maybe this isn't something to be too concerned
about?

 

The astral play time has always been my excuse. I find I have so many people to see and places to go in dream time. But, I am a 10- sometimes 12 hour sleeper. And with a goal of growth and CF impatience. I really hate not having that extra 3-4 hours of productive time.
PJ


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:49:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

Mike H wrote:

 

> Hi all,
>     I wonder how your own growth would be affected if you had a really bad
> guy in your entity like Hitler? Has anyone channeled any info on that kind
> of thing? How would the growth be experienced if you chose to be the bad guy?

 

IMNSHE:
What the entity has is the essence that created the fragment. The deceased fragment itself no longer exists as a personality. Essence and entity seek experience, not rightness or wrongness. Entities do not consist of people, but rather they are the gathering of essences.

You-as-essence have the "benefit" of every experience of every other essence in your entity.

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar, INFP
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Higher Emotional & Higher Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness,
aka I.A.M. Research, Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 07:41:45 PDT
Subject: the goal of "retardation"

Hi all,

I have a little ranting and raving to do on the subject of this goal, because I think it has been slandered in some of the published teaching. "Retardation" is the name given in the Yarbro books, and some people took this to mean mental or physical handicap. They opined that this goal was chosen by only about one percent of people. IMHO, this is incorrect. Other students recognized this error and took to calling the goal "Re-evaluation". Personally, I prefer to call it "Reduction". What it means to me is: this is the opposite of the goal of Growth. People in Growth think everything is important and consequently they have such a difficult time prioritizing that they often slip into the negative pole of -Confusion. On the other hand, people in Reduction are exceptionally good at prioritizing. They "cut out the fat" an consume only the "lean". They seek to get the most bang for their buck. They are looking for the basic, the fundamental, the simple, and the worthwhile. They avoid being distracted by gaudy embellishments and cheap trinkets. They do not waste their time and energy pursuing every little opportunity that presents itself like people in Growth tend to do. They focus on what is truly significant to them. They are not hogs for experience, but often prefer to lead quiet and simple lives. In the negative pole, this is -Withdrawal = being a hermit. This might also show up as escapism or denial. I will extract a more thorough description from my book manuscript and post it to the list some time soon.

Phil


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:43:42 EDT
Subject: Re: The Can Opener

 

>> Ever notice how something you've had for a long time but don't much care about,
or think about, or put much energy into, can just be GONE... with no recollection of
where you might have lost it along the way? <<

No....
Boy, this evidence is about as slick as snot on a doorknob.

 

Dear Dave -- I have heard of a few other similar stories over the years. I think you get to an Occam's Razor situation with enough of them, as with ghosts or UFOs or some other paranormal phenomena. You can doubt or find fault with one example or two, but to invalidate EVERY case of the supposed phenomena, you have to make an argument that depends on a Rube Goldberg structure of flimsy pieces that could never actually operate.

The Rube Goldberg structure is that EVERY one of those people who, for example, said they looked 100 times in the drawer and didn't see the can opener, and were looking with clear intensity into the drawer (as opposed to being in a fog or acid trip), were either lying deliberately or there was an alternative physical explanation that they were overlooking; plus the component that ordinary, normally honest and trustworthy people would easily and commonly decide to make up a lie about their supposed stories. Again, a small percentage of these stories, or accounts of ghosts or UFOs might be BS, but to make them ALL into lies requires that one attach a theory of human nature that is wildly unsubstantiated.

It seems to me that if we accept the existence of ghosts and poltergeists and UFOs, we can believe that some intelligence (like spirit guides) could manifest things like the can opener disappearing and reappearing, as a deliberate wake-up call for the people involved.

Anyway, I've had a few things disappear as "lost" in similar inexplicable manner and the conclusion I always get to when I wonder why is "wake up!"

All the best, Ed


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:56:22 EST
Subject: quirky artisans-yarbro books-crystal skull-blood types/eating

This is my first message - having been a voyeur until now. I may be a quirky 'greedy artisan'. Now that I've read about being in a rut and the listening problems - surely that's where I belong. In response to the posts about CQY books - I was able to get a well-worn copy of "Michael's People" from Amazon.com. It was pricey for an old paperback - but worth it's weight in gold. The post re the crystal skull sounds like it was used as a crystal ball along with other uses - especially where scenes of buildings and such were seen in the eye sockets. I'm trying to find more books about 'scrying'. My blood type is A+ and I do love vegetables, but I also love eating everything else as well. I am extremely overweight (greedy!) and wonder what Michael has said about "eating too well"?
Thanks to all! Ludmila


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:56:05 EDT
Subject: Re: the goal of "retardation"

OOPs, once again I sent to the person rather than the list, sorry....

I would add that another good example of Re-Evaluation or Reduction (a really good word for it, thanks, Phil!) is the spiritual "monk" life. Whether one does that or has a sheltered life because of disability, the common element is a choice to avoid and minimize the distraction and confusion that so easily build up to excess in Growth, so that the personality can rest and recuperate and get back to center.

All the best, Ed


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:11:28 EDT
Subject: Greed and eating...

 

I am extremely overweight (greedy!) and wonder what Michael has said about "eating too well"?
Thanks to all! Ludmila

 

In "Transforming Your Dragons" by Jose Stevens, he (and/or Michael) explain how the seven CFs relate to belief structures that people create in very early childhood in response to the predominant stress and fear they had. For greed, there was anxiety and worry about being fed. There wasn't enough, or it was so unpredictable that the baby would create the belief that he or she could never have enough because of the need to store energy for an uncertain future. This might be why disproportionately more poor people are obese.

All the best, Ed


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:13:46 EDT
Subject: Yarbro books and Dick Hein

 

if a book is out of print (as these seem to be) is it ok if someone
were to type the manuscript and post it up on the Net somewhere

 

I found out the hard way that unfortunately, this is illegal. However, you can search used bookstores on the web. I also keep a an extra set of those two books to lend out for a month at a time (they just went out). Anyone else with extra copies may wish to do the same. Libraries might have them, too--try interlibrary loan.

Re: Dick Hein's absence

Dick had some major computer problems, but should be back aboard soon.

Best,
Shepherd


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:33:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Yarbro books and Dick Hein

In a message dated 8/7/98 11:15:05 AM, Shepherd writes:

 

> >> if a book is out of print (as these seem to be) is it ok if someone
> were to type the manuscript and post it up on the Net somewhere <<
>
> I found out the hard way that unfortunately, this is illegal. However,
> you can search used bookstores on the web. I also keep a an extra set of those
> two books to lend out for a month at a time (they just went out). Anyone else
> with extra copies may wish to do the same. Libraries might have them, too--try
> interlibrary loan.
>
> Re: Dick Hein's absence
>
> Dick had some major computer problems, but should be back aboard soon.
>
> Best,
> Shepherd

 

I found More Messages... on the web the other day. It was a whopping $25. I have decided to keep fishing the hard way. My library is trying to find it for me and I enjoy going through all the used book stores I can find. I havent found it yet but I have enjoyed the adventure. I am going to visit my mom soon in Denver and we will travel the state antiquing and used book store shopping.
Shannon


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:39:56 -0400
Subject: Re:Artisan

Ted wrote:

 

what is this dinner thing they hang upon us like chains around a
prisoner. Must we submit to these bizzare customs imposing upon our
creative spirits! Eating? What is that anyway?

 

I can't tell you how many times I have burned things. I hate to admit it but I have to put on the timer just to remind myself I have something on the stove!!!! When I get back into that sewing room, the outside world doesn't exist. I try not to get elaborate in my daily cooking (though I have been known for huge sit down dinners....but that is another creative process...I just hate cleaning up afterwards). I am happy with fruit and salads (pre-made in the package, thank you), and crackers. Made *without* lard, Dave!!!!!

 

Seriously here (as opposed to my sage imitations above) - are you sure of
reevaluation as a goal? Maybe you would like to share your reasons with us
and get a second opinion from Michael's Peanut Gallery. It would make an
interesting topic.

 

okay, where I got this from was the >>My life seems to revolve around the same issues over and over<< I get embroiled in the same issues, albet with a different flair each time. I think I have learned the lesson, and bang-o, it is there again with a different mask on it.

I do not have a disability though I have the most annoying habit of manifesting an illness or injury when I cannot reconcile an emotional issue. As a healer, I see others do this as well. Though I am aware I do this, it sneaks up on me. Probably when my mind is off in creative pursuit :)))) In another post yesterday, I read that someone thought Artisans manifest illness creatively :))) in my case, it is true.

Now taking a look at the goals again, growth is very appropriate. I am all of those three. I have three books on the go right now, as I can't just read one. They are all on different subjects, so depending on my mood and mental capability that day ( no comments please!!!!) , I pick up one or the other of the three. Yes, I think I get something right and it is flowing, I will deliberately change it. At the beginning of June, I was totally overwhelmed. I had an Asatru wedding to do costumes for. Then two weeks before the wedding, others were coming out of the woodwork...I need a new tunic, I need a cape. Don't ask me how I got it all done. I think I have learned to stretch time.

I would appreciate the input of the Michael Peanut Gallery :))))

oh, dear.....lunch time again....you want WHAT???????

Susan B


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:28:09 -0600
Subject: Re: artisan quirks

 

>Speaking as an artisan, I find words a difficult medium and can't wait
>till we can all comunicate telepathically. Even when I write, I trip
>over my words and have hard time interpreting my thoughts with the
>full......... (Morgan)

 

Me too, Morgan. It just takes for ever to try and cram a multidimensional, multichannel experience down into something an linear as words. I'm never sure how accurate I am, and I always feel like I'm leaving stuff out. I don't write that badly (I hope), but I find it very clumsy.

 

>Personally, once the conversation is over and there is no evidence of
>having to store the content of the conversation for future or current
>use, (such as solving a problem or doing a task for someone) I forget
>it (Morgan)

 

Same here, once again. I usually don't just post "yes, me too" answers on a mailing list, but I found what you said really striking and it opened some windows in my mind. Maybe these are essential qualities, not learning disabilities or the result of being a self-centered bitch. (Ignorant Slut is OK, self-centered bitch kinda hurts. Guess it depends on who's doing the name-calling :-)

This gets at the core of why I like the Michael teachings. They help me figure out what is "given" in our personalities and needs to be worked with, not rejected (qualities inherent in our roles, for instance), and what traits are just bad habits and should be more mutable. It's not as simple as that, but I'm trying to say when I use the Michael material it helps me be less judgmental and more judicious.

Lynne's post about the pending birth of a new baby on Aug 20 (best wishes to all of you!) reminded me of a time the Michael teachings really helped me exactly as I just described. I never had any children, and at 51 it's less than likely I ever will. I never really even thought about it very hard, and never felt the desire to be a parent at all. I used to wonder if I was cold-hearted, genetically deficient, or what.

Then in a Michael reading it was pointed out to me that I had "no very strong agreements" to parent anybody. This changed my take on the whole matter. First of all, the desire to have a baby comes from both sides, from the parents and from the prospective baby. Second, I wasn't deficient, on the contrary I was attuned enough to be acting in accord with my pre-life agreements instead of being confused by society's general expectation that women should want kids. This was a big help years ago at a time when I needed it
--------------
Thanks to Ed for posting the truly interesting account of the woman who was in custody of the crystal skull for a while. This was just what I'd hoped someone would offer - some information to help me decide whether I was reading about a hoax or something significant. Also a cool story . . . .

Mary P.

*******************************
7th level Old Artisan/Spiritualist/
Acceptance/Perseverence/
Stubbornness
*******************************


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:33:35 EDT
Subject: Re: The Can Opener

In a message dated 98-08-07 10:45:48 EDT, Ed writes:

 

it seems to me that if we accept the existence of ghosts and poltergeists and
UFOs, we can believe that some intelligence (like spirit guides) could
manifest things like the can opener disappearing and reappearing, as a
deliberate wake-up call for the people involved.

 

There might be some truth to that, but I also think some people will go out of their way to look for evidence, even if they have to create it in their own delusions. What did Barnum say? "There's a sucker born every minute?"

Dave ;-)


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:55:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Re: Michael's Old Soul Assylum

In a message dated 98-08-07 08:49:57 EDT, Ken writes:

 

IMNSHE:
What the entity has is the essence that created the fragment. The deceased fragment itself
no longer exists as a personality. Essence and entity seek experience, not rightness or
wrongness. Entities do not consist of people, but rather they are the gathering of essences.

 

That presents a conflict in teachings. Seth has said that the personality continues on in it's own evolution, as well as contributing its knowledge to the greater whole. On the otherhand, I think Michael states that the personality is merely absorbed. Yech....that's an enticing prospect. I could write a scary sci-fi story about such an event. Hey, I'll entitle it "The Michael Teachings" and spread the word about the teachings, but with a sinister twist. ;-p Damn, I just love a good summer's project. Of course, being the lazy artisan that I am, I'll never finish it.

Better yet,
"The Michael Teachings"
By Clive Barker

Dave


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:45:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Artisan quirks

Hi Morgan
You wrote:

 

Speaking as an artisan, I find words a difficult medium and can't wait
till we can all comunicate telepathically. Even when I write, I trip
over my words and have hard time interpreting my thoughts with the
full.........eeechhhhhhrrrgg!!I REALLY admire writers and people who speak well.

 

    I hear you. I figured it was my five channels all going at once. I struggle with Self Dep just to post to this list. When I want to respond to something posted, all these other ideas, thoughts and questions pop into my head. It becomes hard to focus. How do you or any other Artisans out there experience the 5 channels? I once had a T-shirt with SPACED CADET printed on it :-) It seemed to resonate.

Phil, you wrote:

 

People in Growth think everything is important and consequently they
have such a difficult time prioritizing that they often slip into the
negative pole of -Confusion.

 

    Umm, this is food for thought. I have the goal of growth and lately have been trying to focus on simplifying things. In painting that has always been my problem (too many details). Is this what is meant by sliding into your opposite goal?

Best to you all,
Sharon


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:33:27 -0700
Subject: The Crystal Skull Article

I saw that article back in 1995 when I was on a crystal skull mailing list, just 'cause I was curious. It was run by Joshua Shapiro, and I think he still has a website, although I forget the url, it may be vjenterprises.com or something: VJ Enterprises is their on-line name. They do trips to Brazil and other cool stuff.

:^) The Crystal Skoller,
Lori


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:48:48 -0400
Subject: RE: Artisan quirks/articulating

 

> << Speaking as an artisan, I find words a difficult medium and can't
> wait till we can all comunicate telepathically. Even when I write, I trip
> over my words and have hard time interpreting my thoughts with the
> full.........eeechhhhhhrrrgg!!I REALLY admire writers and people who
> speak well. >> Morgan
>
> I once had a T-shirt with SPACED CADET printed on it :-) It seemed to resonate. << Sharon

 

        Yeah, I can remember being voted the "spaciest senior" in my high school. I guess other people notice. But as president of the same class I came up with many creative ideas to raise funds. Where do they think we get these ideas anyway? :)         As an artisan I can really relate to Morgan's frustration having to articulate. I wonder if we have a different intuitive thought-into-words process? For me it is close to unmitigated free association. I am always amazed at my friends who "form complete sentences in their mind" before speaking them. How do they wait that long? And while I seem to be able to communicate visually, my writing and speaking skills are much weaker. One-on-one communication is much easier than communicating to larger groups where the feedback seems to jam my thought signals. So perhaps warriors aren't only ones with this issue?

        other quirks: any artisans with short attention spans?

        Question for the group: I don't seem to be "aware" of separate channels, although Michael did "suggest that you might become aware of your five channels of input which indeed allow you to process multiple levels, including information which you might choose to relegate to channels four and five, or for later projects and information and structural retrieval."
Are there artisan tips and tricks for changing channels? I think I'm on the independent filmmaker channel, but it seems to be pay-per-view.

        peace,
        Tracy


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:55:06 -0600
Subject: aggression

Hi. I was hoping you might have some insight you could share with me. I recently had my overleaves channeled, and while i had figured most of them out in advance, seeing my goal was agression surprised me. I just cannot seem to validate it. While I am getting ready to regard it as a mistake in channeling, there are three reasons I haven't yet
1:I have noticed that many overleaves manifest in a more subtle manner than is often suggested by the pre made checklists you can find
2: For all that agression doesn't "feel" right, I cant say any of the other modes feel right either.
3: I am less sure about this reason, but my goal is acceptance, and it strikes me as being rather dissonant with agression. Perhaps integration of these two would alter agression enough that I am having difficulty recognizing it.

I am a old priest if that helps at all. If anyone has any suggestions or insight concerning this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Matthew


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:02:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Artisan quirks (Overleaves)

In a message dated 98-08-07 14:17:42 EDT, Sharon writes:

 

It becomes hard to focus. How do you or any other Artisans out there
experience the 5 channels? I once had a T-shirt with SPACED CADET printed
on it :-) It seemed to resonate.

 

I don't know if I have ever experienced the 5 channels. I tend to focus on one thing at a time. True, I find myself in periods where I slip into stupor- like states, but if I'm experiencing multi-channels then, it's nothing but static. Perhaps I emulate the inputs of my scholar ET. Is that possible? Artisans are definitely not all alike.

I would agree that as an artisan, the art of communication is sometimes elusive to me, but on the otherhand, if I press myself, the words seem to spring forth. Perhaps this is the result of my Sage casting? I hate public speaking, but when forced into a class environment with 30-40 in the room, I can almost sound like a Sage; however, it's always an effort, and I usually feel mentally fatigued afterwards.

As enlightening as these teachings can be, they also create many questions. After all the reading I've done, I'm still not sure if I understand my overleaves. Can you describe the personality of an individual just by looking at their overleaves?
Here's a challenge if anyone is up to it. Describe the following personality traits of these overleaves. Obviously, these are my overleaves. The question is, can anyone see ME in these categories? If so, why? If not, elaborate. Yes, people on the list have already called me a skeptic, cynic and arrogant, but those are just hobbies, and not really representative of who I really am. ;-p

Artisan/Scholar
Old soul 4?
Sage casting 5/7/1
cad/entity 3/5
M/F energy 41/59 Freq - 67
13 previous cycles
Possibly have an Artisan/King mother, & a Server/Sage father
Flow, slides to growth, dominance
Passion
Realist
Intellectual/Moving
Stubborness
Venusian, with Solar, Neptune secondary


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:41:12 -0400
Subject: Evolution vs Absorption

Dave wrote:

 

> In a message dated 98-08-07 08:49:57 EDT, Ken writes:
>
> << MNSHE:
> What the entity has is the essence that created the fragment. The deceased fragment itself no
> longer exists as a personality. Essence and entity seek experience, not rightness or wrongness.
> Entities do not consist of people, but rather they are the gathering of essences. >>
>
> That presents a conflict in teachings. Seth has said that the personality
> continues on in it's own evolution, as well as contributing its knowledge to
> the greater whole. On the otherhand, I think Michael states that the
> personality is merely absorbed.

 

Excellent observation, Dave.

How about this:
I think Seth and Michael were trying to say the same thing. The personality continues (with different overleaves) on in its own evolution (via re-incarnations and lower astral experiences) until essence is finished with this greater cycle. Each personality is absorbed by essence at physical death until the end of the greater cycle at which time essence may consider whether or not to start another greater cycle.

How's that sound?

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar, INFP
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Higher Emotional & Higher Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness,
aka I.A.M. Research, Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:32:00 EDT
Subject: Aggression

 

Hi. I was hoping you might have some insight you could share with me. I
recently had my overleaves channeled, and while i had figured most of them
out in advance, seeing my goal was agression surprised me. I just cannot
seem to validate it. While I am getting ready to regard it as a mistake in
channeling, there are three reasons I haven't yet
1:I have noticed that many overleaves manifest in a more subtle manner than
is often suggested by the pre made checklists you can find
2: For all that agression doesn't "feel" right, I cant say any of the other
modes feel right either.
3: I am less sure about this reason, but my goal is acceptance, and it
strikes me as being rather dissonant with agression. Perhaps integration of
these two would alter agression enough that I am having difficulty
recognizing it.

I am a old priest if that helps at all. If anyone has any suggestions or
insight concerning this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Matthew

 

Dear Matthew -- My two cents' worth...

First, aggression and acceptance is a very uncommon combination, so most of the common patterns won't fit.

IMHO most if not all of what is in the books about the goal of aggression is off, in that it overlooks the simple essence of what the positive pole, dynamism, is about. IMHO, dynamism is the pattern of "acting quickly"; that is, with minimal lag between making a decision and acting on it. It could also be "being decisive", but that phrase isn't as good because being decisive emphasizes the clarity and focus of the decision-making, but doesn't relate to the speed of taking action. Aggression moves fast. It's the king's mode. Make a decision, snap your fingers and people jump to it! There's nothing intrinsically harmful, warlike, or unfriendly about aggression mode, but many people are made nervous by someone moving quickly before they are ready for it. If you have aggression, pay attention to whether your associates will be startled and caught unprepared by what you say or do.

Does this fit for you?

All the best, Ed


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:16:49 EDT
Subject: Casting

      This question has been really bugging me and I cant seem to find an answer. How much of an influence can casting have? Can it have more of an influence than..... say.... what essence your ET is? My daughter is a mature priest with a 7th casting. Does this mean she could very well have a "kingly flair" to her because of that 7th casting? The air of authority to her is quite strong and I was wondering if it could be attributed to this?
Shannon


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:37:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Artisan quirks (Overleaves)

Dave wrote:

 

>I don't know if I have ever experienced the 5 channels. I tend to focus on
>one thing at a time. True, I find myself in periods where I slip into stupor-
>like states, but if I'm experiencing multi-channels then, it's nothing but
>static. Perhaps I emulate the inputs of my scholar ET. Is that possible?
>Artisans are definitely not all alike.

 

I was exploring for answers. In trying to understand this system, and what fits where or what describes what, I could have been interpreting my going into the - pole of growth, confusion, instead of having 5 channels going every other which way. On the other hand, if I equate all 5 channels working harmoniously together to when I paint a painting that seems to paint itself (not a common occurance BTW), may that be an example? Or would that be considered essence contact? Or could I be sliding into the + pole of the goal of stagnation, free flow?

 

>I would agree that as an artisan, the art of communication is sometimes
>elusive to me, but on the otherhand, if I press myself, the words seem to
>spring forth. Perhaps this is the result of my Sage casting

 

I think you communicate very well.

 

>As enlightening as these teachings can be, they also create many questions.
>After all the reading I've done, I'm still not sure if I understand my
>overleaves. Can you describe the personality of an individual just by looking
>at their overleaves?

 

I wonder about that too. When I first got my overleaves channeled, I felt like I was trying on a suit of clothes, and did they fit? I can explain myself thru my overleaves, but feel daunted at the prospect of seeing how others fit into theirs. This leads me to what Matthew wrote about his goal of acceptance / aggression mode. With a system that is channeled and must be validated, plus the + and - poles of each role, goal etc., you have to have a good understanding of what it all means and where a person can be at within it at any given time. The more I study this system though, I can sure see how I have gravitated towards the - poles

So Matthew, what is it like to be an old Priest?

Peace on Eclipse Eve,
Sharon
Artisan/Server
1st level old, Growth, Pragmatist, Self Dep, Caution, emotional center,
intellectual part, frequency 50
65%F 35%M


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 98 14:59:48 +0330
Subject: Re: Casting

 

>       This question has been really bugging me and I cant seem to find an answer.
>How much of an influence can casting have? Can it have more of an influence
>than..... say.... what essence your ET is? My daughter is a mature priest
>with a 7th casting. Does this mean she could very well have a "kingly flair" to
>her because of that 7th casting? The air of authority to her is quite strong
>and I was wondering if it could be attributed to this?
>Shannon

 

I don't know a lot about casting, but I know a lot about mature priests, having grown up with one! My sister is a mature priest, and let me tell you it took me years and years to get over the belief that she was right at all times, because she spoke with such an impressive air of *divine* authority! She really believed that *everything * she said was backed up by divine authority! Now she is older and wiser and has learned some humility and perspective, but when we were teenagers, she was really a raving maniac of judgement and authority!

By the way, this is my first time posting to the list. I am a 6th/Old Server/Sage ET (?) in Growth, Pragmatism, Observation, Emotional in Moving Part, and Lunar/Venusian. I've been a Michael student since 1992, and I consider them to be the most important teacher in my life! I am who I am because of their guidance and assistance, and the assistance and giving of the all the channels who bring forth this information. I live in Sacramento and I am very happy to find this list!

Namaste
Karena


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:08:51 -0400
Subject: artisans and stuff...

I have been reading this Artisan thread with much interest-- I am married to an Artisan/Scholar with a goal of Growth. Life is interesting:-) His attitude is Spiritualist, also. We are about the same soul age (4th old--and both children are supposed to be Old--we may never clean the house or leave it:-)

Anyway, without Michael's insight, I think I would have a harder time understanding my DH. I am glad I know about the competing inputs he must grapple with, or I would think he just wasn't listening. He gets really spacey and I try to call him back from the Planet Xenon:-)

He is a true Artisan, most of the time. Extremely inventive and experientially-oriented and all--very bent on "doing stuff", which is good for me. He is an inspired cook, never measures stuff, never makes something the same way twice, always has cool ideas about stuff.

I love having an Artisan around...but I think growth as a goal can be tough on you, but he thinks Acceptance combined with Idealist and Stubborness sounds like hell!!!

Lynne T
4th level Old Scholar/Sage, Acceptance, Idealist, Stubborness
(Artisan lover:-)


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:33:41 -0700
Subject: Sliding through the Overleaves

I just wanted to post some thoughts I have on the overleaves and Michael Teachings in general as I feel it sort of fits into the current discussions.

For me, I find that one of the most beneficial uses of knowing the overleaf system is that when I notice myself stuck in CF, maya, or negative poles, I can make a conscious choice to use a different overleaf, not merely sliding to the complementary opposite on its given axis. I find that very freeing. Sometimes when I'm in the negative pole of growth, confusion, I will slide to flow for a little rest and letting go, and often then obstacles just float away and I'll find myself in the positive pole of growth again. Other times, when in -growth, I may slide to discrimination, and root out and reject any nonsense, things that are not serving, or just separate the gems out of the trash so to speak. I don't think we have to limit ourselves to our "default" overleaves.

I see the overleaf system, if we choose to use its unlimited potential, as a way of breaking free from the boxes we've build around ourselves that are full of self-limiting beliefs, societal imprinting & expectations, and judgement. I am thankful for the understanding the overleaves give me of seeing where I'm at, who I am, and where other people are & who they are, but I hate to seeing this system being used to just put people in other little boxes. (And I'm not saying anybody here is doing that -- I'm merely stating my general thoughts on the matter. :) )

My main point is about making **Conscious Choices** on what overleaves we can utilize to move forward in our lives, and that we have that choice at every moment.

Blessings,
Lori


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:21:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Sliding through the Overleaves

In a message dated 98-08-07 18:31:26 EDT, Lori writes:

 

My main point is about making **Conscious Choices** on what overleaves
we can utilize to move forward in our lives, and that we have that
choice at every moment.

 

I read somewhere that sliding among the overleaves is generally only done when one is in the neutral position. For example, being in the neutral goal of flow, I can supposedly slide from one goal to another. On the otherhand, I also recall a channeler stating pretty much the same thing you're intimating. Obviously, this contradiction could lead to much confusion. It also brings up a question that desires to explore how flexible the overleaves truly are. For example, can I wake up one morning and merely decide that my overleaves are now Growth, Aggression, Skeptic with an emotional centering, despite the fact that I'm quite the opposite? Are overleaves not a tangible trait of personality, but merely a state of mind?

Dave :-)


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:04:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crystal Skull

    I believe someone channeled that their is information in the crystal skulls that is going to be released when the vibrational frequency of the earth gets high enough. Supposedly the frequency is going up now.
Mike H.


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:46:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Sliding through the Overleaves

Dave said:

 

> I read somewhere that sliding among the overleaves is generally only done when
> one is in the neutral position. For example, being in the neutral goal of
> flow, I can supposedly slide from one goal to another. On the otherhand, I
> also recall a channeler stating pretty much the same thing you're intimating.
> Obviously, this contradiction could lead to much confusion. It also brings up
> a question that desires to explore how flexible the overleaves truly are. For
> example, can I wake up one morning and merely decide that my overleaves are
> now Growth, Aggression, Skeptic with an emotional centering, despite the fact
> that I'm quite the opposite? Are overleaves not a tangible trait of
> personality, but merely a state of mind?
>
> Dave :-)

 

Well, IMO, :^) I think the one main thing to remember is those 3 little words that commanded so much attention in the MFM books:

ALL IS CHOSEN.

I wasn't saying that you should try to change your "default" overleaves, because if you trust your essence, then you know that your essence chose for you the "right" overleaves for this incarnation. But knowing the overleaves, and the way they work, you have a great tool for utilizing other overleaves, ANY of them, and you're not left at the mercy of your "default" overleaves at all times. Sorry if I wasn't very clear on what I meant. :^) I think it's usually easiest to utlize the opposite overleaf on its axis, but that we don't need to limit ourselves to that.

I just want to be able to expand consciousness, not limit it in an overleaf cage or anything. It's nice to have the "cage" as a framework and foundation, but once you've learned to fly, you need to be able to go outside the cage as well as inside. :^) Is that making any sense? :^)

Lori


Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:58:43 PDT
Subject: "sliding"

Hi Sharon and all,

Sharon wrote,

 

Is this what is meant by sliding into your opposite goal?

 

What others call "sliding" into your opposite (complementary) overleaf I call "circulation". Say you are merrily coasting along comfortably minding your own business in whatever primary overleaf. As you know, this ease is temporary, because sooner or later some internal or external force will kick you into the negative pole of your overleaf. I call this getting "perturbed" by a "challenge". As I understand it from the infamous "Michael Math" chapter in MMFM and other spiritual teachings, the way to properly find your way out of this negative state is not for the ego to try to effort its way to the positive pole via "bootstrapism". This would be what in my Christian days we called "self-righteousness" rather than "the righteousness of God" -- you would not "integrate the shadow" (fear) -- to use Carl Jung's term -- that kicked you into the negative pole of your overleaf in the first place. Another way to say this is that for the ego to intervene with the natural circulation into the negative pole of the complementary overleaf would not make use of the "dark side of the force", which is every bit as "of God" as the "light side of the force". The way to reap the benefit of a negative event to let go and allow yourself to go down into the negative pole of the complementary overleaf, "photographing" all the way. (Gurdjieff called this "self-observation." It is non-judgmental, of course.) From there, you will naturally swing back through the positive pole of the complementary overleaf and back into your primary overleaf. There you will come to rest at a higher strata, closer to the positive pole. Via more challenges, perturbations and circulations, you eventually become immune to the particular challenge that perturbed you. (It's a "new teaching" that came from one of the channels recently about their being seven strata to each overleaf from the negative to the positive pole.) You can visualize "circulation" as a spiral or helix because you do not return to the same point you left from, but a more "advanced" location on your spiritual journey. Reincarnation is a longer form of "circulation" -- between the physical and astral planes rather than complementary overleaves. A "grand cycle" of fragmentation and reintegration is an even longer form of circulation -- among all seven planes. The "principle" of circulation is the same in all these. (Gurdjieff called this phenomenon "the Law of Three". Two producing Three is the archetype of "circulation".)

Phil


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 98 17:15:07 +0330
Subject: Re: Sliding through the Overleaves

 

> wasn't saying that you should try to change your "default"
>overleaves, because if you trust your essence, then you know that your
>essence chose for you the "right" overleaves for this incarnation. But
>knowing the overleaves, and the way they work, you have a great tool for
>utilizing other overleaves, ANY of them, and you're not left at the
>mercy of your "default" overleaves at all times.

 

I have heard Michael talk about this phenomena often. You can slide to whatever mode you want, but you "default" to one certain mode. Like Lori says, you can learn to use the different overleaves for what fits your situation best. I mean, would you really use only observation mode to get people enthused about a project of yours, or would you use only passion mode to study the eating habits of the amoeba? I think life is much more interesting and complex!

Love
K


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:01:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Crystal Skull

In a message dated 98-08-07 19:30:13 EDT, Mike writes:

 

I believe someone channeled that their is information in the crystal
skulls that is going to be released when the vibrational frequency of the
earth gets high enough. Supposedly the frequency is going up now.

 

That's interesting. Do you know how the information will be acquired? Telepathic?

Dave


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:45:51 -0400
Subject: 7 Strata

Phil wrote:

 

(It's a "new teaching" that came from one of the channels recently about
their being seven strata to each overleaf from the negative to the
positive pole.) You can visualize "circulation" as a spiral or helix
because you do not return to the same point you left from, but a more
"advanced" location on your spiritual journey.

 

Are these stratas labeled? Or are they like steps you go through? This sounds so interesting to me, as I get a sense it may explain how one gets to a certain place in their psyches.

Thanks to you all for your imput. I love this list. You make the books come alive for me. Glad to hear Dick is on his way back once the computer gods let him, and glad to hear from all the delurkers. Welcome. :-)

Best,
Sharon


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:19:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Memories

Morgan wrote:

 

I have a warrior friend who can remember whole lines from
movies (a lot of movies) that he saw years ago. How do they do that?

 

It's called focus, a/k/a single input. Scholars NEVER forget anything! Of course, this means our brains are full of little tiny factoids that we will never, ever need again. I can remember back to events that occurred before I was 18 months old.

We also store stuff in our bodies - I can go to a body worker and have them push on a muscle and bammo, there's the whole memory complete with emotions.

Jody


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:14:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Sliding through the Overleaves

 

For example, can I wake up one morning and merely decide that my
overleaves are now Growth, Aggression, Skeptic with an emotional centering,
despite the fact that I'm quite the opposite? Are overleaves not a tangible
trait of personality, but merely a state of mind?

Dave :-)

 

I think that deciding to use, or be in, other overleaves is probably a lot like an actor choosing to put on the beingness of a character he decides to be playing. It's under conscious control, but not permanent, so you revert to your real personality when you stop creating the new one. Also, when I say it's under conscious control, I mean that you consciously decide to be in the new character's beingness, not necessarily that you think about what specific overleaves are involved. (Obviously most people haven't even heard of overleaves and they do it.)

All the best, Ed


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:29:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Sliding through the Overleaves

In a message dated 98-08-07 19:44:42 EDT, Lori writes:

 

I just want to be able to expand consciousness, not limit it in an
overleaf cage or anything. It's nice to have the "cage" as a framework
and foundation, but once you've learned to fly, you need to be able to
go outside the cage as well as inside. :^) Is that making any sense?
:^)

 

No, could you repeat the whole thing? ;-p

Dave


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 03:45:25 EDT
Subject: Hey all!!

  Thank you SO much for all your offers(even some from a lurker or two!) to help get "More Messages" and "People" in my hot little hands...its great to see people not only digging such a message as presented in these books, but practicing Good Work by helping those who ask!

  By the way...Ive done FURTHER websearch, and I think Ive verfied to my satisfaction what my general overleaves are..! You are in fact, reading a post made by a Sage with a goal of acceptance(love me??), in the passion mode with an attitude of cynicism, an emotional center with a chief feature of self- destruction. Boy, when this fragment made its choives for this life, I JUST dont know what it was thinkin'.... ;)

  Im having some difficulty getting to this fragment's "age". My best guesses are narrowed down to 3rd/4th level mature, or 1st level old, sliding down to mature when I get insecure about my development. Any good ways to narrow it down, save for spending a Perot-sized fortune on a channel who may or may not be channeling my credit card ONLY?? I know...but I told ya, I have a cynical attitude!

          thanks fer listening to the former lurker ramble!

              Steven A.


Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:11:33 +0800
Subject: Re: Yarbro books and Dick Hein

Shepherd wrote on 7/8/98 3:13 pm:

 

> << if a book is out of print (as these seem to be) is it ok if someone
> were to type the manuscript and post it up on the Net somewhere >>
>
> I found out the hard way that unfortunately, this is illegal. However, you can
> search used bookstores on the web. I also keep a an extra set of those two
> books to lend out for a month at a time (they just went out). Anyone else with
> extra copies may wish to do the same. Libraries might have them, too--try
> interlibrary loan.

 

I don't know copyright laws much. What I remember is that copyrights have to be renewed every 4 (?) years, and several such renewals (4 more?) is required before the copyright is permanent.

If the author and publisher both stopped printing the book, isn't it logical that they are thus willingly given up the copyright? Especially after more than 4 years since copyrighted?

J J Tan
=====
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.


Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 06:52:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Sliding through the Overleaves

Dave, of WWQUINTET fame, wrote:

 

> I read somewhere that sliding among the overleaves is generally only done when
> one is in the neutral position. For example, being in the neutral goal of
> flow, I can supposedly slide from one goal to another. On the otherhand, I
> also recall a channeler stating pretty much the same thing you're intimating.
> Obviously, this contradiction could lead to much confusion. It also brings up
> a question that desires to explore how flexible the overleaves truly are.
> For example, can I wake up one morning and merely decide that my overleaves are
> now Growth, Aggression, Skeptic with an emotional centering, despite the fact
> that I'm quite the opposite?

 

I think this may be possible, but I wonder how long you'd be comfortable in those new overleaves. Wouldn't it be like putting on someone else's ill-fitting shoes, clothes, and underwear? Yech!

Try it why don'cha. And let us know how it feels.

Geez... Dave, just thinking about it gives me the willies.

Willies? Ahh Man... now, I know this old scholar has got to try it for myself.

-----

 

> Are overleaves not a tangible trait of personality, but merely a state of mind?

 

How about personality being a tangible trait of overleaves?
and
Wouldn't everything be a state of mind wherever "mind" exists?

-----

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar, INFP
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Higher Emotional & Higher Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness,
aka I.A.M. Research, Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 07:38:50 -0400
Subject: Re: "sliding"

Philip Wittmeyer wrote:

 

> (It's a "new teaching" that came from one of the channels recently about
> their being seven strata to each overleaf from the negative to the positive pole.)

 

Very interesting. Several years ago, back in the mid-80's, when I first got into Michael, I did this strata thing when I first got hold of "MFM". I made a semi-circular pendulum chart with 7 points around it 30 degrees apart. Each point was named +3, +2, +1, 0, -1, -2, -3. I found that using this "Polarity Scale" chart gives me a fairly accurate sense of where I am between the (+) or (-) poles of any overleaf.

It's just great for homing in on what's happening in your head (or someone else's head) when the card game of life seems to be dealing you a weird hand. Just run a quick set of pole numbers on your overleaves, and there you are. Normally it's you dealing your own cards. When I find that any overleaf is in the (-) area it tell that overleaf to move as far as possible into the (+) area. I can then see the pendulum move from the (-) to the (+) side of the polarity chart, and my inner feelings begin to change immediately.

Nowadays I periodically during the day, "TELL" my all of overleaves, together, to move to the plus side of their polarities.

Also now you know why I am sometimes called "Weird Ken". Fer Chriisake... who talks to their overleaves...? I do. It works well for me.

I also find that where people are on this polarity scale changes greatly depending on their state of mind at the moment. And thus polarities are virtually useless as an addition to the default overleaves.

Lori, I really like the idea of default overleaves. I've never heard that term before.

Thanks much, Phil, for reminding me of this polarity stuff.

-----

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar, INFP
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Higher Emotional & Higher Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness,
aka I.A.M. Research, Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:17:28 -0500
Subject: Website Newsletter

Hi,

First let me say that if anyone sent me an email regarding the Website on Thursday, my ISP had a problem and I may not have gotten any messages. Secondly, for those who are new to the list, some time ago we discussed the idea of having a Newsletter for those on this list and the majority decided they would like one and would prefer that it be a Website Newsletter. The site is in the works now.

However, I could use some assistance on some of the work to be done. There will be an entire section for those who find the site and are not knowledgeable about the Michael Teachings. If anyone would care to write up descriptions of the overleaves other than the Roles and Soul Ages, I would be very grateful. If you do this please keep the descriptions of each short and simple. I am grateful (beyond words) to those who have already offered help and for those who are new to the Teachings, writing up something like this is a good way to get a better understanding of the overleaves.

I would also be very grateful if one of our astute and knowledgeable scholars would put together a page of definitions of "Michael" terms; i.e., Essence, Overleaves (general term), Grand Cycle, Cadre, etc. I think it would be helpful to first time visitors to have an understanding of the words.

If there is someone out there who is really good with tables, I would love to hear from you. We need a full page of "links" to the other Michael sites. I've had permission from most of them to link to them, but Lori, could you ask Steve about linking to his site? And Shepherd, is it okay to link to your site?

This is not a small task, but I think it will be worthwhile when it is finished (of course it may never be, since websites tend to become "living" things and start owning you -LOL). So anyone who has "ideas" or is willing to do one of the tasks listed above, please let me know.

Thanks in advance -

Love and Laughter :-))

Jeanne

5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination;
Passion; Pragmatist; Self-Dep/Arrogance/
Intellectual Center, moving part


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:55:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Memories

In a message dated 8/7/98 10:43:10 PM, Jody writes:

 

It's called focus, a/k/a single input. Scholars NEVER forget anything! Of
course, this means our brains are full of little tiny factoids that we will
never, ever need again. I can remember back to events that occurred before I
was 18 months old.

 

Hmmm, my daughter is a 21 month old Old scholar. Guess I better be careful!! She already knows hundreds of words, more than the rest of her toddler class at day care (her teacher remarked on this just yesterday). When you remember events that early, is it clearly with the advantage of adult understanding, or just the emotional response? Toddlers do get frustrated when their little bodies can't keep up with their growing thoughts and desires! My Morgan is generally a nice kid, but can get outraged sometimes (Scorpio w/Aries rising) when I prevent her from dangerous activities!

Martha


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:24:54 EDT
Subject: Soul Age levels tape

Dear Steve -- I highly recommend JP and Aaron's tape called "Late Mature and Old Soul Levels" where they pick apart the details of each level from 4th Mature on up.

All the best, Ed


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:00:22 EDT
Subject: Accidents/Mistakes???

Here's a quick question, since I'm off to a couple of gigs.

Didn't Michael mention once that sometimes on the physical plane, accidents happen, and that not everything is preplanned? To go one step further, the Sethians love to think that there's a blueprint for everything that occurs in life, but I could have swore that I once read Michael say that occasionally we just make a mistake.

Just curious...

Dave


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:54:54 -0600
Subject: Re: Growth

Phil wrote:

 

People in Growth think everything is important and consequently
they have such a difficult time prioritizing that they often slip into the
negative pole of -Confusion. On the other hand, people in Reduction are
exceptionally good at prioritizing.

 

Can't agree, Phil. I'm in Growth but I'm also a pragmatist and I seem to be the one who always ends up in charge because I can always see the one thing that needs to be done next and all the steps that need to be done in order to get to the end.

In my experience, being in Growth means that my life has been a series of challenges. They don't all happen at once; but as soon as I get one dealt with, I can bet another one will come along, and I usually don't see them coming, they surprise me. I have a good friend in Re-evaluation and she seems to be able to control what comes at her much more, pick when she feels up for something new, and just generally live life at a much slower pace than I do. (Sigh)

Jody
midcycle mature scholar, goal of growth, pragmatist, perseverance mode,
emotional part of intellectual center, arrogance, life task of "expressing
my inner art through scholarly play."


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:01:57 -0600
Subject: Re: Conflict in teachings?

Dave wrote:

 

Seth has said that the personality continues on in it's own evolution,
as well as contributing its knowledge to the greater whole. On the
otherhand, I think Michael states that the personality is merely absorbed.

 

What I've gotten from Michael is that there is essence, which is eternal; there is false personality, which is created each lifetime from overleaves; and there is true personality, which seems to develop over time as a result of what is learned during each incarnation and gradually becomes part of essence. In older souls the true personality is much more in evidence.

Jody


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:12:58 -0600
Subject: Casting influence

Hi Shannon,

I'm a scholar with a scholar ET and artisan casting. Almost all my friends are artisans, as was my husband. I don't have the multiple-input thing, but I am aware of subtle influences - for example, in my home I have a strong need to have things "composed," so that if you look through the doorway into another room, what greets your eye is a pleasing juxtaposition of color and shape. Perhaps because I'm single-input type, I also like it to be simple. I paint and do a complicated kind of embroidery/beadwork that comes from somewhere else - I totally zone out while I'm doing it and let it just happen. Most of my yard is garden. So, for me at least, yes, casting has a lot of influence. It might also be imprinting as my mother and oldest brother are also artisans.

Jody
2/3/2 casting


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:20:48 -0600
Subject: Re: Copyright

JJ wrote:

 

I don't know copyright laws much. What I remember is that
copyrights have to be renewed every 4 (?) years, and several
such renewals (4 more?) is required before the copyright is permanent.

 

Uh - not in the US. Copyright lasts as long as the author is alive plus some sort of indefinable time period - our attorneys told us to figure on 50 years after their death - when the work is old enough to be considered in the public domain (like Shakespeare). You only have to copyright a work once, unless you revise it, and then you have to copyright the revision.

Jody
(Senior Book Editor/Manager, Healthwise, Inc.)


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:46:01 -0700
Subject: Sharing of overleaves!

JJ,
    I am constantly amazed at how similar yet opposite you and I are. I am in growth with CF of Impatience/secondary stubborness but I am in Passion mode!!!! I am almost tooooo much Sageyness even for myself sometimes!!!!! Look at all the exclamation marks I am always throwing out there! That's because it expresses the oomph that I am feeling all the time which I'm sure is being helped along with my Spiritualist Attitude. Thank heavens my casting is a Scholarly Sage so that I do at least put a lot of passion in to learning, learning, learning!! I never EVER get tired of learning about life, people and the magic of this planet. Now all this lovely passion mode sends me (as one old song I vaguely remember) but then we have to contend with coming down from all this energy and excitement which at times feels like massive darkness and depression. I keep trying to walk a fine line just between but then I start actually feeling weighted down somehow. I'm not sure how to express it but to say it becomes uncomfortable and quite sluggish. Hmmmm the thought just hit me. Wonder if that's my bodies reaction to trying to use the opposite polarity of Reserve mode to calm me down. I feel good at first but then it just gets to be too much. My body actually "feels" heavier. Just an observation I had.....:-) I must say though that the bottom line is that I love to "Yammer" and once you get me started I will find all kinds of lovely tidbits to share with you. My mind is always thinking..... Now I wonder what shared info this person would be interested in...and just maybe (hope, hope, hope) they might want to hear about the MT <silly grin>
    When I found out that my TC is a discarnate Priest I was astonished/wary/in awe.... I wasn't sure exactly how to feel. I must say though that the person who gave me the first Michael book is a 5th level Old Priest and she was my neighbor for six years. We got along very very well and though I don't get to see her as often, we still remain connected. Why are folks leery of Priests?? I guess I haven't really learned much about them.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on how your overleaves work for/with you in your life. That sure got me to thinking and thus this small bleep (shared thought) on this list coming through...:-)

Hugs (cause we need more of em')
Diane

 

 


Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:52:33 PDT
Subject: seven strata

Hi Sharon and all,

Sharon wrote:

 

Are these strata labeled? Or are they like steps you go
through? This sounds so interesting to me, as I get a sense it may
explain how one gets to a certain place in their psyches.

 

Now that I think about it, I remember seeing the "new teaching" about seven levels from the negative poles to the positive poles of the overleaves in the material that Sarah Chambers is making available from her recent channelings sessions. So far she has published extractions from sessions held in 1996 and 1997. The yearly subscription for a hard copy is $25, but I think you can get an electronic copy via e-mail for less money. So far as I know, she has not yet received names for the seven levels of every overleaf; just some of them. Rumor has it that, now that she is living in Santa Fe, she is collaborating with Jose Stevens to work the new material into a book or books to be published.

A couple of other thoughts about "sliding", a.k.a. "circulation" came to mind after I posted yesterday. What Gurdieff called "the Law of Three" is the same thing that Michael calls "completing the monad". Recall that the interpersonal "monads" consist of two halves. (Two astral souls agree to play out a sequence with each other while incarnate, and they switch sides in another lifetime.) There is always a cardinal and an ordinal side to the "monad": teacher-pupil, parent-child, cop-robber, passionate-repressive, or whatever. Personally, I think this should have been called "completing a dyad", but I think the reason Michael called it a "monad" is that when both halves of the experience have been fulfilled, you are back to unity again. The point I want to make is that you are not back to the same unity you started at, but a unity at a more advanced strata. This is the state that I call "triad" to go with monad and dyad and to tie it into the teaching of Gurdjieff (Law of Three) and Lao Tsu (". . . The Two produced the Three". . .) From the triad state you go on to experience another monad to dyad to triad sequence. This is the process of experiential differentiation of "self" (One) in "space/time" (Two) and "dimension" (Three) or strata. There are cycles within cycles within cycles ad eternum. The "circulation" through ordinal and cardinal levels of overleaves is one example of the principle of cycles; reincarnation is another on a longer time scale, and the grand cycle of a fragment is an even larger circulation. You progress (Three) by integrating the dark and the light sides (Two) of the force (One). Recall Michael's teaching on the "hands-acoss" method presented in the Michael Math chapter of "More Messages". This is a way of intentionally extracting the benefit from the archetypical phenomenon of "circulation" as it manifests in the overleaf system.

I would like to hold off on a more complete description for now and present a lot more explanation about the seven stages or strata of "process" when I post a chart showing the "time structure" arrangement of the overleaves. I am still working on a revised version of the "space structure" arrangement that I will post soon. Remember the chart I posted that didn't make it thru the e-mail server a few weeks back? Next time it will make it, with extensive commentary.

Phil


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Language, Babies & Lost items

Morgan wrote.....

 

>Speaking as an artisan, I find words a difficult medium and can't wait
>till we can all communicate telepathically. Even when I write, I trip
>over my words and have hard time interpreting my thoughts with the
>full.........

 

Mary wrote........

 

>Me too, Morgan. It just takes for ever to try and cram a
>multidimensional, multichannel experience down into something an linear as words. I'm
>never sure how accurate I am, and I always feel like I'm leaving stuff out. I
>don't write that badly (I hope), but I find it very clumsy.

 

I recall a Star Trek episode where Capt. Picard was having an impossible time communicating with a very important alien ambassador. I thought it was a refreshing idea since all the other aliens they meet speak perfect English. Ultimately the problem was that the Captain and crew were trying to learn the "words" thereby learn the alien's language & figure out what he was trying to tell them. But the alien spoke in "concepts" much like the Japanese do. A single "word" actually amounted to an account of an event. A simple phrase told an entire story complete with embellishments and emotions. I LIKE THAT!!!! That would work for me.

 

Lynne's post about the pending birth of a new baby on Aug 20 (best wishes
to all of you!) reminded me of a time the Michael teachings really helped
me exactly as I just described. I never had any children, and at 51 it's
less than likely I ever will. I never really even thought about it very
hard, and never felt the desire to be a parent at all. I used to wonder
if I was cold-hearted, genetically deficient, or what.

Then in a Michael reading it was pointed out to me that I had "no very
strong agreements" to parent anybody. This changed my take on the whole
matter. First of all, the desire to have a baby comes from both sides,
from the parents and from the prospective baby. Second, I wasn't deficient,
on the contrary I was attuned enough to be acting in accord with my
pre-life agreements instead of being confused by society's general expectation
that women should want kids. This was a big help years ago at a time when I
needed it

 

I'm also a 50 year old artisan female without children. Here in Hawaii I'm kinda of a freak in that I don't have at least three kids and have no desire to have any. When asked about it, I usually reply that in my last lifetime I had too many and am taking a break this time around. When the eyebrows go UP I throw in that "or maybe next time I'll have lots of kids and am resting right now." When I read in "Michael for the Millennium" that the greatest threat to the planet is overpopulation and that the choice to have one child or no children is a good choice, (no offense to anyone out there with more than two kids) I felt that perhaps that's what I had chosen to do this time around. In truth the bottom line is that I'm having a hard enough time raising myself. I must say that my nieces and nephew love visiting Aunty Morgan because her house is so much fun to explore with lots of interesting things to get into.

RE: "The missing canopener" issue . In my case it's that there so much other stuff in the drawers that nothing looks like it should when you go looking for it. It's there, but it's not jumping out of the drawer at you. Try looking for something else and the can opener will probably keep getting in your way. Then there's the illusive "safe place" this artisan has. When things seem to be missing, it's because I've usually put them in a safe place but cannot recall where that was. I've even created a folder on my computer called "Safe Place" where I put things that I want to hang onto till I REALLY decide what to do with them. At least that particular safe place is easy to find on my Mac. Life would be great if we could personally "UNDO" "FIND" and "REVERT TO SAVED".

Aloha for now..

Morgan (Lost in Space)

The trick about life is to make it look easy.


Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:19:33 PDT Subject: growth and reduction

Hi Jody and all,

Jody wrote:

 

> Phil wrote:
> << People in Growth think everything is
> important and consequentlyhey have such a difficult time prioritizing
> that they often slip into the negative pole of -Confusion. On the other
> hand, people in Reduction are exceptionally good at prioritizing. >>
>
> ' Can't agree, Phil . . .

 

This seems to me like a good example of other overleaves obscuring or even negating the "pure", stereotypical, expression of an overleaf. Or, I may just plain be wrong, for once. I will post my manuscript exposition on both growth and reduction and see if it works for you.

Phil


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:32:51 EDT
Subject: Re: seven strata

Phil says:

 

There is always a cardinal and an ordinal side to the "monad":
teacher-pupil, parent-child, cop-robber, passionate-repressive, or whatever

 

Why does that have to be true? Some things in Michael have cardinal vs. ordinal distinction, but is it necessarily so for the labels we apply to the various "monads"? for example, which is cardinal, the husband or the wife?

All the best, Ed


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:40:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Conflict in teachings?

In a message dated 98-08-08 14:43:20 EDT, Jody writes:

 

In older souls the true personality is much more in evidence.

 

You mean, this nutty guy named Dave is beginning to show his true personality? ;-p I wonder if I'm a practical joker on the astral plane?

Dave ;-)


Date: Sun, 9 Aug 98 12:55:06 +0330
Subject: Re: growth and reduction

I am in Growth, and I don't think I've experienced everything being important, although I have gotten myself into perhaps unwise scrapes because of my desire to experience everything. Like Jody, I experience Growth as having a series of challenges, one right after the other. It really is like clockwork. . . I usually have a few days of quietness after untangling one knot before the next one pops up. I feel like I am working incessantly at making myself better by facing and resolving inner "knots" or "breaks". At the same time, I have to have my life rather uncomplicated in other areas, because I have so much richness and adventure going on *inside* me, I don't have the *space* to deal with a lot of stuff clogging up my life. . . my life is like a river. . stuff goes in and stuff goes out, and it's always changing, and nothing hangs around for too long in the same form. I used to fight this and wish I could be more stable and settled like "normal" people, but now I have accepted it and learned to rejoice in it, and I have found people who can rejoice in it with me! Ahhhh. . .feels good to accept and love yourself!!

Take care!
Love,
Karena


Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:19:39 PDT
Subject: monads

Hi Ed,

Ed wrote:

 

Some things in Michael have cardinal vs. ordinal distinction, but is it
necessarily so for the labels we apply to the various "monads"? for
example, which is cardinal, the husband or the wife?

 

I don't remember that sort of thing being labeled a "monad". I would put the husband-wife thing and similar arrangements in a different category, like your regular everyday "agreements" or "sequences". "Monad" was a special case of "agreement" in MFM. According to my understanding of Michael -- and in my definition at least -- the monad is a special kind of "agreement" because there is always a cardinal and ordinal polarity in the completion of the monad.

Michael used the words "internal monad" when referring to what they also called "milestone" is MFM -- the seven stages that happen in a full lifetime. I prefer the word "milestone" for this phenomenon, but I think the reason Michael used the word "monad" here is that (Phil's "new teaching") there are of course seven "strata" in each of the seven milestones, just as there are seven "levels" in seven "ages" and seven "parts" in seven "centers". The seven strata of every process are of course divided into two parts, an ordinal half and a cardinal half, and the halves are separated by the neutral zone, strata 4. You have to go through both halves before you have sucessfully "completed the monad" ("circulated") and you "graduate" to the next strata. More on this when I present the "time structure" chart of overleaf arrangement.

Phil


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:24:31 EDT
Subject: Re: Sharing of overleaves!

In a message dated 8/8/98 3:11:00 PM, Diane writes:

 

>I never EVER get tired of learning about life, people and the magic of this planet.

 

        Oh this summed up so much for me. My spiritualist attitude has been the part of my overleaves that I understand the least. In fact I was quite surprised about it. But the magical quality of life excites me so. Absolutely ANYTHING can happen in the next second and I find that so exciting.... so intriguing......
        I also find people so exciting-- their differences and their eccentricites. I just love to sit back and observe the world slowly realize how interconnected they really are. Thats what makes some of these bombings so ironic-- these people are trying to force their own countries isolation from Western culture yet they are actually doing the opposite--they are forcing us to realize that we are all interconnected. At least thats the way this spiritualist sees it!!
Shannon
7th level Mature Scholar Growth, Perserverance, Spiritualist
Intellectual/Moving center, CF of impatience


Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:33:12 PDT
Subject: definition of terms

Hi Jody,

Jody wrote:

 

What I've gotten from Michael is that there is essence,
which is eternal; there is false personality, which is created each
lifetime from overleaves; and there is true personality, which seems to
develop over time as a result of what is learned during each incarnation
and gradually becomes part of essence. In older souls the true
personality is much more in evidence.

 

That is not quite the way I understand Michael to use those terms. I find three sources of "True Personality": One) the overleaves the soul chose for the particular incarnation; Two) what I call the "character" the soul brings with it from past lifetimes -- lessons learned; Three) the genetic contribution to the personality, covered under the name "bodytype" in the teaching. As for "False Personality", it comes along after conception/insoulment, and is due to influences in the environment. It is "false" when it contradicts or obscures the "true", but not otherwise. The word, "essence" in the teaching is used too ambiguously to suit my sense of tidyness. As it so happens, I am writing a posting on the subject of "essence" which will be finished soon.

Phil


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:52:54 -0600
Subject: Re: Aggression

 

> Dear Matthew -- My two cents' worth...
>
> First, aggression and acceptance is a very uncommon combination, so most of
> the common patterns won't fit.
>
> IMHO most if not all of what is in the books about the goal of aggression is
> off, in that it overlooks the simple essence of what the positive pole,
> dynamism, is about. IMHO, dynamism is the pattern of "acting quickly"; that
> is, with minimal lag between making a decision and acting on it. It could
> also be "being decisive", but that phrase isn't as good because being decisive
> emphasizes the clarity and focus of the decision-making, but doesn't relate to
> the speed of taking action. Aggression moves fast. It's the king's mode.
> Make a decision, snap your fingers and people jump to it! There's nothing
> intrinsically harmful, warlike, or unfriendly about aggression mode, but many
> people are made nervous by someone moving quickly before they are ready for
> it. If you have aggression, pay attention to whether your associates will be
> startled and caught unprepared by what you say or do.
>
> Does this fit for you?

 

Thank you. This was very helpful. I can be painfully slow in making decisions, but once they are made i tend to act on them immediately. In fact, its a common argument between me and my girlfriend that she never knows when I will do something. She never gets time to have input on any of my decisions. A very common conversation in our house runs like this, "So when did you decide to do that?"

"About 5 minutes before i did it"

"Well Iv'e been trying to get you to do that for months, why didnt you just tell me you were going to do it when you were ready?"

"Because I didn't know I WAS going to do it. All the times you asked me about it, I had no plans to do it."

"Well, it would have been nice if you warned me......"

(Hmmm, I just read over that and to avoid letting you get carried away with any interesting interpretations of what IT is, it usually concerns things like getting the car in to be inspected, or getting my haircut, etc.....:)))

Thanks.

Matthew S


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:57:14 EDT
Subject: thanks to all!

   Hey folks!

   Thank you for the advice..! I didnt EXACTLY guess, but rather, took the "quiz"(for lack of a better word) that is in a link at the Spiritweb site to figure my overleaves..! Im pretty confident with the results, but I may as well get them verified, since it appears I will need help defining "soul age". I think its true that most people WANT to think they're an old soul(despite Michael's assertion that all ages are just as good as the others, and being older offers no benefits or more relative wisdom)...and for that reason, Im MORE inclined to accept "mature" as my theoretical age, as Im probably no different than anyone else! Like this here "Michael Teaching" board...seems like either old souls seem to gravitate to the same places(which makes sense!), or some of us are hoping/guessing/wanting to be "old"....probably a mixture of the two..! There DOES seem to be a lot of old souls here though! Let me also put forth for open questioning...there seems to be(as I search the web for Michael information, and theres a lot!) a PLETHORA of people who claim to channel Michael. However, in the forward to "Michael For the Millennium", Yarbro averrs that such mediums are few and far between. Interesting tho, one website is from the woman who originally channelled Michael back during the 1st overleaves sessions. In any event, its an interesting subject to start a thread on, "channel" experiences..anyone wanna take the bait??? =)
Anyway, thank you again...! I will check out some mediums/channels..if anyone else has strong recommendations inre to a certain channel, let me know!

         this is who we are,

           Steven A. =)


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:20:25 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Re: 5 channels

OK, what are the five channels? Are they all the same, like having five TVs all tuned to the Cartoon Network, or are they all different? If they are different, which channels are the roles that don't receive all five channels tuned into?
--John C, another Artisan


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:23:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Language, Babies & Lost items

In a message dated 98-08-08 15:19:46 EDT, Morgan writes:

 

Then in a Michael reading it was pointed out to me that I had "no very
strong agreements" to parent anybody. This changed my take on the whole matter.

 

This was the case for me as well. No pressing child agreements and then they pointed out that I've had 341 children over the course of this cycle as well. That was a perspective adjuster. It occured to me that, at 38, a child [which I would enjoy having, truly] would require most of the attention that I might be able to better use to be of service to others. That was when I was able to let that biological drive go -- but it wasn't easy.

Kathy
Old sage, life task of disseminating perspective through writing and "herding
other people around" (I swear, that's a direct quote!)


Date: Sun, 9 Aug 98 14:30:10 +0330
Subject: Re: Language, Babies & Lost items

 

>This was the case for me as well. No pressing child agreements and then they
>pointed out that I've had 341 children over the course of this cycle as well.
>That was a perspective adjuster. It occured to me that, at 38, a child
>[which I would enjoy having, truly] would require most of the attention that I might
>be able to better use to be of service to others. That was when I was able
>to let that biological drive go -- but it wasn't easy.

 

It is nice to hear this. . . at age 27 I feel like I do not want to have children, ever, and neither does my partner. . . .but I sure get a lot of flack for it! I'm glad to hear that this is a somewhat common phenomenon among older souls, perhaps? Maybe we've had enough babies in our lifetimes and are ready for a break!!!

Karena


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:38:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Accidents/Mistakes???

In a message dated 98-08-08 14:28:21 EDT, Dave writes:

 

Didn't Michael mention once that sometimes on the physical plane, accidents
happen, and that not everything is preplanned?

 

For what it's worth, this is a portion of a recent Michael channel I had:

"... Things happen as a result of applied intention. There is controversy and some very interesting conversation happening around the area of the concept of "accidents" and this again [note: the discussion was concerning an illness of mine] is an example of what we might apply the word "accident" to. Some philosophies or channels or students or what-have-you, would say that there are no such things as accidents. We would clarify that to say -- what there is, is confused intention. Other things can happen as a result where the intention was not clearly being applied and that's what we see has given rise to your particular circumstance. There have been a number of facilitating factors working... they happened to bump into each other and they have created a situation all together. All of these pieces of you are made out of energy, different types of energy, and the body is going to react to all the different applied energies to it, and the way that it does is according to what those energies are. So we would strongly counsel that you be careful not to self- flagellate on this as is your occasional want (we are very aware of that)... it serves not a purpose in this particular instance." [channel: Caris Palm Turpen]

Kathy
Old sage, life task of disseminating perspective through writing and "herding
other people around" (I swear, that's a direct quote!)


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:42:40 -0500
Subject: Re: thanks to all!

Steve,

Yarbro was not/is not the only Michael Channel. Many of the channels are quite good. Ken Broom, Troy Otterly and Ted Fontaine, all of whom contribute to the list are good. I personally had my first channeling and my overleaves done by Caris Turpen, who is also in my Entity and I felt a resonance with her before I contacted her (from the bio I saw of her).

I also had an overleaf data sheet done by Emily Baumbach (AMT) that was quite good and she charges about $25.00. Shepherd Hoodwin also occasionally contributes to the list and is a well known Michael Channel, as is Joya Pope (the author of The World According to Michael). There is a vast array of more than competent Michael channels out there -- according to "Michael" they are fragments who have prelife agreements to channel the material, just as the students have prelife agreements to be students. You may one day learn that you have been a Michael student for many, many lifetimes. :-))

Love and Laughter :-))

Jeanne


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:44:16 -0600
Subject: Re: "slidings," more

re: switching overleaves

 

>I think that deciding to use, or be in, other overleaves is probably a lot
>like an actor choosing to put on the beingness of a character. . . It's
>under conscious control, but not permanent (Ed)

 

 

>I wonder how long you'd be comfortable in those new overleaves.
>Try it why don'cha. And let us know how it feels.
>. . . now, I know this old scholar has got to try it for myself. (Ken)

 

This, and Ken's cool thing about using a pendulum to detect the polarity he was in and then telling his overleaves to move to the positive side, made me think of a similar trick I occasionally use for an "attitude adjustment."

I have something I call "constellations." This comes from the idea of looking up at the stars - we're used to seeing them grouped in particular constellations, but all those constellations could be reconfigured an unlimited number of ways. We could draw totally different lines, regroup the same stars, and be looking at quite a different sky.

There's something I do in my head with my personal traits that feels similar. I don't know where it came from, guess I made it up, and I've done it for years. You have to lie down. Then you get quiet and realign all your traits in another way - a little more extroverted, a bit less intellectual, turn up the cheerfulness, bring out your piano-playing talent, and be huggier than normal, say, if you're going to a party. I'm oversimplifying - it's a very nonverbal, mind-body, all-at-once process, but you get the idea.

Feels to me like Ed's actor, Ken, and the constellation-redrawer are doing much the same thing. I can't say if it's temporary or permanent. Some adjustments last longer than others, and that's related to your intention when you do a new constellation.

This is obviously not Michael but rather Mary (me, that is) - however I'd love to know what in the world I'm doing in Michael terms. This very old soul has lots of mysterious resources whose source is unknown to me. For all I know, sometimes I'm allowing somebody else in my entity to use my space/time coordinates for a while and get me out of a situation I'm uninterested in. Or maybe my "people" (invisible ones) help me hold my energy a bit differently to deal wih a particular environment. (you haven't heard about my "people" yet, so just use your imagination there.) Or maybe I'm switching to different overleaves for a while. I dunno . . . thoughts?
--------------
re: Memories

 

>. . . my daughter is a 21 month old Old scholar. . . . When you remember
>events that early, is it clearly with the advantage of adult understanding, or
>just the emotional response?
>Martha

 

I can remember things back to when I was so little I slept in a crib and crawled on the floor. I'm always surprised when other people tell me they can't remember - "you were there, weren't you??" :-)

I think each person remembers differently. I don't remember the emotional responses too well, but I retain the visuals in great detail. What did the carpeting look like in the house where I was born? I could draw the whole pattern, all colors, since I spent so much time crawing around on it. How were the rooms arranged in that house? I could draw a complete floor plan to this day.

Don't worry about what your daughter is retaining - I'm sure she has some sort of internal selectivity that'll allow her to construct her world in a way that makes sense for her. BTW, when she's a bit older, try asking her what's the earliest thing she can remember. Kids come up with amazing answers. Some describe scenes that just have to be their own birth ("It was all red, and I was really cold"), and some go into past lives. You have to catch them at just the right time and be very neutral. More cool stuff.
--------------
re: the Spiritualist attitude

 

> I just love to sit back and observe the world slowly realize how interconnected
> they really are. Thats what makes some of these bombings so ironic-- . . .
> people are trying to force their own countries isolation. . .
> yet they are actually doing the opposite--they are forcing us to realize that
> we are all interconnected. At least thats the way this spiritualist sees it!! (Shannon)

 

I was glad you posted this because I think people with the Spiritualist attitude are relatively rare and usually, as older souls, rather quiet. Yet it is a powerful and interesting overleaf. What you wrote about the recent bombings is representative of the way I think as well - I'm always looking to see what things mean on a higher level, what people are learning, what truths are being demonstrated. We Spiritualists really have a valuable perspective to offer the world and maybe we could present it a little more often. (Or maybe nobody else cares and it's sheer nonsense . . . ?)
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Clerical question: If anybody hates in when I telescope my responses to different threads all into one post, please tell me. I think it's tidier, you receive less mail, and I personally prefer to sort my reading according to author not thread, but if I'm being annoying I'll change my ways. Thanks.

Mary P.

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7th level Old Artisan/Spiritualist/
Acceptance/Perseverence/
Stubbornness
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:51:30 EDT
Subject: seven levels of overleaves

I have one example of seven parts of an overleaf. This one is self- deprecation:

- abasement
   self-abnegation
   mortification
   resignation
   timidity
   meekness
+ humility

This is probably from Sarah Chambers' group. I have a zillion scraps of Michael things... this one I've been working on recently. I don't recall there being a lot of "seven levels of overleaves" in her 1996-1997 group journels (Phil posted earlier about the availability of this information) but they were/are extremely interesting and highly recommendable. They aren't indexed or ordered, just group questions, but very good questions and therefor, very good answers.

Kathy
Old sage, life task of disseminating perspective through writing and "herding
other people around" (I swear, that's a direct quote!)


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:06:51 -0600
Subject: Roles

Hello Again.

I have only been lurking here for a couple of weeks, so I realize the sample size is a little small, but I am curious about something from some comments I have been reading.

Sages, artisans, and scholars seem to be very well represented. (sages probably over-represented, but I guess that is natural :))) I see the occasional letter from the server as well. I am curious, however, does this list get much king or priest input?? I know not everyone lists thier role when writing, but some of the comments I have read suggest that these two roles might not give much input here. Am I correct, or did I just join at a time when many of them are not submitting anything? Just curious, thanks.

Matthew


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:44:07 EDT
Subject: Re: Accidents/Mistakes???

In a message dated 8/8/98 5:40:12 PM, Kathy writes:

 

>There have been a number of facilitating
>factors working... they happened to bump into each other and they have created
>a situation all together. All of these pieces of you are made out of energy,
>different types of energy, and the body is going to react to all the different
>applied energies to it, and the way that it does is according to what those
>energies are. So we would strongly counsel that you be careful not to
>self- flagellate on this as is your occasional want (we are very aware of that)...
>it serves not a purpose in this particular instance." [channel: Caris
>Palm Turpen]

 

        WOW!! So what he is saying here is that sometimes illnesses arent exactly accidents but they arent exactly purposefully or directly intended either. This really speaks to me because I was recently diagnosed as having an ulcer and I really havent been this upset about something in a long time. Ulcers are so terribly misunderstood by society. Many think that a person who has one, sits in a corner with all the lights off shivering and biting their nails thinking that the sky is falling. It has taken a lot of energy from me (energy that I would like to spend elsewhere) assuring people that I am fine. And this incident is not a "fatal flaw" in me.
        Thank you for sharing that part of the channeling. I guess now that I understand the importance of CHOICE in my life it really is hard not to beat yourself up over illnesses.
Shannon


Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 18:54:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Roles

Matthew S wrote:

 

> Hello Again.
>
> I have only been lurking here for a couple of weeks, so I realize the
> sample size is a little small, but I am curious about something from some
> comments I have been reading.
>
> Sages, artisans, and scholars seem to be very well represented. (sages
> probably over-represented, but I guess that is natural :))) I see the
> occasional letter from the server as well. I am curious, however, does this
> list get much king or priest input?? I know not everyone lists thier role
> when writing, but some of the comments I have read suggest that these two
> roles might not give much input here. Am I correct, or did I just join at a
> time when many of them are not submitting anything? Just curious, thanks.

 

Well... of the 70 people in the Overleaf Database we only have
1 King (Caris Turpen) and
1 Priest (Olafur J).

Could be there are more of both still lurking and prefering not to post.

--

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar, INFP
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Higher Emotional & Higher Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness,
aka I.A.M. Research, Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:04:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: "sliding"

 

>Also now you know why I am sometimes called "Weird Ken". Fer Chriisake...
> who talks to their overleaves...? I do. It works well for me.

 

    I talk to my sub personalities though on rare occasions I get them confused with my guides.
Mike H.


Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Language, Babies & Lost items

Hi all,
    I never wanted kids and Michael told me my essence is a curmudgeon. My wife's essence is also a curmudgeon. I don't think I had many (or any?) agreements for kids this lifetime either. My mom always wanted me to have them which I resented. Anyway I am happy without em though I know a lot of people find raising kids enjoyable. Or at least I assume they do.
Regards,
Mike H.


Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 08:44:04 -0600
Subject: Re: sliding

Dave & whoever -

Did you also image Ken singing "I talk to my overleaves, but they don't listen to me . . ."?

Jody


Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 08:51:40 -0600
Subject: Re: memories

Martha wrote:

 

When you remember events that early, is it clearly with the advantage
of adult understanding, or just the emotional response?

 

I remember it with the emotional response of the time. People are always amazed at how well I get along with their kids, although I have none of my own. I think that's actually a factor (I don't go into "parent" mode), but also it's because I really do remember what it was like to be that age and I can talk or be with them where they are.

Of course I also add my adult interpretation to the event, now - but that's an eternally changing overlay as my own understanding develops.

Jody


Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 08:56:16 -0600
Subject: Re: Accidents

Dave wrote:

 

Didn't Michael mention once that sometimes on the physical plane, accidents
happen, and that not everything is preplanned?

 

It's certainly the case in my life. I had an agreement with my next-younger brother that was to come into play when we reached adulthood, but he was killed at age 10. And I had a karmic agreement with my ex-husband but, because he chose difficult overleaves (Michael said), he was unable to complete it and abdicated. Interestingly, my grief over both those events was much longer lasting and had an element of anger that has not been present with other losses in my life, and I've wondered if it was because my essence was saying, "hey! that wasn't supposed to happen!"

Jody


Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:01:26 EDT
Subject: Re: memories

Martha wrote:

 

When you remember events that early, is it clearly with the advantage
of adult understanding, or just the emotional response?

 

        I remember early things too. One of my favorite memories is riding in the back baby seat of my mothers bike and looking over at my brother riding his bike. I remember what it felt like to be that little (18 to 24 months according to my mom) and what it felt like to just sit back and experience things for the first time. I conjure up those feelings when I need to remind myself that a lot more goes on in the minds of babies and toddlers than we realize.
Shannon


Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:15:10 -0600
Subject: definition of terms

Hi Phil,

My thinking about true/false personality and essence was shaped by a long discussion we had on this list when I first joined, back about February or March, about what "dies" with the body and what persists from life to life. You might want to read the archives and look for "essence."

best,
Jody

PS Are you SURE you're not a scholar????


Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 12:06:39 -0400
Subject: (the Kid thread)

About the kid thing--

I can totally relate to you folks who just don't want them-- I felt that way a lot, and really almost had to drag myself into the "having kids" mindset. I don't know how many I have had before, but I can FEEL that it's been a bunch, and I wasn't relishing doing it again.

This is where agreements can sway your life! I felt this pressure from the little souls waiting to be born. I still could have chosen NOT to have them (all is choice, after all), but the channeling I got a few years ago made me feel peaceful about it, and I saw that I was well-mated with my Artisan:-) and Michael told me that I would be with this man for the rest of my life whether I liked it or not! HAHAHAHA!

Slowly, I came around to the idea, but thinking carefully about children and making an informed decision is of course what I would expect of Michael students. I almost felt too OLD (soulishly and physically, I turned 40 in March), and lazy to do it "again", but I decided to go for it.

I could have just as easily played with my Artisan for the rest of our lives, and done cool stuff w/o kids. We both love children in our lives, anyway, as others have mentioned. it is not trivial to be that special Aunt or Uncle to someone.

I think what's most upsetting to me is people who DON'T use the extra space and time in their lives to DO stuff...childlessness has its advantages and I sometimes wonder what I did with all that time...

So, childless ones, go do and find and play and let me hear about it!

Lynne T


Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:17:52 EDT
Subject: Re: (the Kid thread)

The various posts from and about people without kids, like me, keep reminding me this..... guilt is bad and useless always about anything, but to be positive, there are so, so many kids of all ages who have been brought up badly, and adults who are scarred by that, that we will all have plenty of opportunity to do Good Work with these people -- after the kid-raising is done by others.

All the best, ed


Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:37:56 +0800
Subject: "Default Overleaves", and change thereof

I am amazed at this recent discussion of "changing overleaves", "default", etc. It seems that almost everyone hasn't heard it before, including "old-timers" like Lori and Kenneth Broom. I am amazed, because this is exactly the topic I talked about, about, oh, a year ago. I wonder why my post, then, was largely ignored, except for certain "oh yeah" type of 1- or 2-liners, while now it seems to be a 6K-sized emails of extended discussions.

From my past experience among Americans (when I was there, a decade ago), I would call this a type of discrimination, albeit a mild one. The sense of "we've got little in common with Asians, and we don't really understand what they are about, and let's just keep it that way."

This post is just my observation. Despite the regular spiritual-sounding words spoken here, it seems that there is still a grading of levels of importance, according to who said those words. So I will repeat what I said again (almost same words about a year ago), and see who really remembered what I wrote then.

===Begin===

I believe it is possible to change overleaves. Not just from positive to negative poles, not just sliding to opposing axis, etc. It is when we are not conscious about our behaviors, that we use the set of overleaves we've chosen for this life ("the default"). And depending on circumstances (button-pushing from other people and situations), we react according to our overleaves, imprintment, as well as the habitual sliding patterns (e.g. martyrdom sliding to impatience, etc.).

But when we are conscious of our actions, we can always select one particular set of overleaves. I say this because I managed to change certain aspects of my overleaves. It was not a fast change, but takes at least 1 year to get used to. After that, it is a lot easier to switch from "default" to this new set. I have a feeling that the more I change, the more flexible I will become, and hence freer from my own self (default). The key is to be conscious.

And what I discovered after I managed the change, and be more conscious, is that my "default" overleaves really works the best to help me be more conscious and be more responsible. For example, my Reserve Mode is what I usually consider my stumbling block in terms of the negative pole, inhibition. But when I decided to be more conscious, Reserve Mode helps a great deal because it is a lot easier to be deliberate in decisions and actions when I don't go careening into things with Passion Mode. Michael channeled that I have "good sliding into Observation Mode". (note that in books, Michael said that only Observation Mode [neutral] people can slide into other Modes, but I seem to be doing the opposite) Which means that I also managed to switch Mode... :-) Which also means being more deliberate and conscious, I can use the energy from Observation and help in my own choices.

===End===

Does that sound familiar? :-) Actually, what I wrote above isn't just a "possible" discussion of "default overleaves" and whether it is possible to change overleaves. It was my personal experience, that YES, it is possible to change overleaves... with the possible exception of Role, almost everything else that changes from one life to another, is possible to change by conscious (and deliberate) will. (well, so far I haven't managed to change body-type yet... ;=p I'll just see if that is possible, too)

By the way, it seems more logical, that the more advanced the Soul Age, the easier it is to change overleaves... That means the majority of the world's population (being young than Mature mostly) will not know that they have, in their hands, the power to change themselves in such a radical degree. And it also seems that most Michael Students here also don't know about this possibility. :-)

It really goes on to say that we have the power to reach freedom, and yet we willingly submit ourselves to slavery under our own selves (ego).

+++++
Ok, we'll just see if this particular post gets noticed... :-)

J J Tan


Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:37:17 -0700
Subject: Lori's impersonating a Priest -- taking the pulpit!!!!

Hi everybody--I've been behind on reading posts, 'cause today I got some burst of inspiration somewhere, I don't know where, but I took a few hours and wrote this up.... I was at Steve and Holly's Michael meeting Friday near Concord, CA, which was on Spiritual Inheritance, but I think maybe it was Holly talking to me afterwards that got this rolling a little...who knows?? :^) Anyway, I hope you enjoy it. (Or maybe I've been channeling Marianne Williamson?? ;-) Haven't read anything from her in a while!)
Love,
Lori

 

The Gift of the Goddess

As the millenium approaches, and the world takes notice, a pulsing,
rising undercurrent in the global spiritual sphere is emerging like an
ancient sleeping volcano preparing for its next awakening, sending
signals that those who are aware, will sense and spread the word of its
imminent upheaval. Will the transition be tumultuous, sudden, and
violent, or will it be graceful, flowing, and with much ease? Perhaps
it's some of both. Nevertheless, change is in the air, and it's up to
us to choose how we want to move through this amazing transition our
world is coming into. The Goddess is awakening, and her power is all
around to be seen.

When I speak of the Goddess, I'm speaking of an energy, a feminine
presence of life-force that during the last 2000 years or so, has been
repressed and kept out of balance by many societies on Earth. Some
people call the Godess Divine Mother, or Gaia, or Mother Mary, and there
are many other names. The Goddess is the complement of God, which most
religions on Earth nowadays portray as a masculine presence. In ancient
Chinese tradition, these two forces were called the Yin (feminine, dark)
and the Yang (masculine, light), and they are the duality that makes up
the patterns of life on the physical plane, in this world. Neither can
exist without the other-the cycle of existence is dependent upon the
flow of energy of Yin into Yang, and the return to Yin, in an eternal
circle. This means that there cannot be light without darkness, that
there cannot be a feminine force without a masculine force to
counterbalance. Some other archetypal qualities that the feminine
encompasses include the void, expansiveness, emotion, receptiveness,
intuition, reflectivity, the internal. The masculine archetype also
includes focus, contraction, intellect, direction, will, radiating, the
external. When all these things working together, there is harmony in
the universe. When you look into the sky on a clear night, what do you
see? The vast black void of space, dotted with billions of stars and
galaxies that radiate points of light, this is an example…but one of the
most obvious example of the archetypes of which I speak is that of man
and woman.

How has the masculine God been overshadowing the feminine Goddess for
the last 2000 years, without some kind of balance? The force of man
pushed itself upon the force of woman, and woman gave way…for a while.
She was forced into silence, submission, and subjugation against her
will for too long. Her naturally receptive nature was taken advantage
of. The Women's Rights movement of the 20th century was a huge cry from
the Goddess for the recognition and equality of the feminine from the
bondage and repression of masculine dominance gone out of control.
Interestingly, the way in which women got their recognition and equal
rights was through a masculine route: focus, direction, and will-power.
It was the only way she could be heard-she screamed in rage and finally
got notice. Her role as a suppressed, trapped care-taker and
possession of father and husband began to open up, as she began to
assert her independence in the world, taking on the professions and
roles that were traditionally only held by men. Her crusade grew beyond
merely achieving equality with men, it drove her to prove she could be
just like men, or even prove she could become "better" than men-the
opposite extreme from where she was before. This still was not
balanced, because the Goddess was still repressed. The Goddess doesn't
seek to dominate over the God, she seeks to be with him on equal terms,
that they may work together harmoniously, not competitively.

Nowadays, there has been a large movement in the men's arena, for them
to get more in touch with their own feminine nature. Since there is a
masculine within the feminine and vice-versa, I think this movement is
well deserved by men and much needed. The tide is even turning in the
women's movement, so that the Goddess can truly manifest herself within
women of this world. She no longer has to assert herself forcefully
upon the world in a masculine way to show she is equal-the point is
already proven, though not always accepted, in this society. Now it is
time for her internal power to be what radiates the Goddess from her,
through her inner presence, not her toughness.

What I am about to say does not make sense in a masculine-dominated
world. It has to do with the strength and power of the Goddess upon
which the masculine, when out of balance as it has been, sees an
inherent weakness in the feminine nature. It is this--the power of the
Goddess manifests through her greatest gift: the gift of herself. She
is allowing, she is vulnerable, she is all-encompassing. And this is
her strength! How can vulnerability be a strength? The inference made
by the word vulnerability is that it is a weakness that leads to
victimization. This is a false pretense. Truly allowing one's self to
be vulnerable is a gift of the Goddess. It is what opens us up to love
and healing. But it is often a difficult state to attain and hold,
because we so fear being hurt and taken advantage of again. Being
vulnerable involves a great risk-that we might be hurt instead of
loved. It takes a lot of trust in our own inner Goddess' power and
strength to know we can persevere even when we love and that love is not
returned reciprocally. It takes a whole lot of love for yourself as a
worthy being in order to be vulnerable. It takes a lot of vulnerability
to allow yourself to be completely loved as well, and to let down the
masks of toughness that pretend to be our strength, but merely limit the
amount of love in the world, and limit the love we can share between and
within ourselves.

Being an internal force, the Goddess' power comes from within. While
the masculine forces create change through outward action, the feminine
forces create change through being, through attraction. The Goddess is
a source of surrender, of welcoming home, and of yearning-a yearning to
be filled, a void that is nothing without the force of the masculine to
fill it. She is the source of the hunger for wholeness, the melting,
the voice that calls together all the aspects of beingness in the
world….Desire. She is wild by nature and free, and needs the structure
and boundaries set by the masculine forces in order that she not become
total chaos. We know that even within chaos there is order, and
therefore, the Goddess cannot exist without the God….And the God could
not act if the Goddess cannot be. This combination of being in balance
with action is what manifests abundance in our reality. When one is out
of balance, there is lack.

I would love to see the world embrace the Goddess within us all, in
harmony with the God within us, because only by working together do the
masculine and feminine achieve their greatest potential: spiritual
oneness and true intimacy. Each side must surrender to the other-this
does not mean giving up, giving in, or compromising anybody's
integrity. Surrender involves letting go of the past and any grievances
we have there, living in the present, and always considering the future
of the world and the children who will inherit what we do and who we are
now. The world is in a delicate balance and upheavals are imminent as
long as the imbalance continues. Let us all make the conscious choice
now to change our reality for the better, in all our actions and in all
our beingness. Let's take care of each other instead of fight each
other, and always be willing to give of ourselves, because this is the
gift the Goddess gives us all. Once we accept her power within us, and
use it with love and compassion, we change the world.

 


Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 22:28:42 +0330
Subject: Re: "Default Overleaves", and change thereof

 

>From my past experience among Americans (when I was there, a decade ago), I
>would call this a type of discrimination, albeit a mild one. The sense of
>"we've got little in common with Asians, and we don't really understand
>what they are about, and let's just keep it that way."

 

I have not been on this list more than a week, so I don't know what went on a year ago. But, I am sorry you feel that you are being ignored because you have an Asian name. Personally, I don't even pay attention to the name-origin of the people posting, I just read what they say and note the name so I know who said it.

As for having little in common with Asians and not understanding what they are about, personally I have studied Asian religions and culture for years, and honestly, inside I often feel more Asian then I do American or Italian or Armenian (my ethnic background).

You never know when people are going to pick up on subject that you post . . . maybe it wasn't the right time for the energy to pick up behind it back then, and now the time is right. I would hate to have that attributed to small-mindedness and racism on the part of the people on this list. I don't know what your experiences have been with "Americans" (a very broad term encompassing a very diverse group of people, including Asians), but I think this group of "Americans" are very unlikely to be judging your post less important because you have an Asian last name. I could be wrong, but that is my feeling.

Love,
Karena


 


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