Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:27:18 EDT
Subject: Is the list back?

Hey, is the list back, or is this just one of those pesky physical plane illusions?
I also noticed that the archives end around June 21. Have we been down that long?

Dave - Ah, gotta love those hackers for teaching us valuable lessons such as
acceptance and unconditional love. I wish them the best, and may a wild
mongoose seek refuge under their sister's dress. ;-p

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:12:00 -0700
Subject: Back On-Line

Anybody out there??? :^) Hopefully we're back on-line!

Here's the latest news on the condition of Spiritweb:

> Finally, the server has been reinstalled with new OS which
> is more secure and reliable than the one we had before.
> We had several attempts to trace the hackers but finally just wanted to
> bring the server back .. so we do this now. Within the next
> hours all functionally should be available again, the digests of
> the several lists will be sent out tomorrow morning MDT as
> usual. Needless to say it was a real drag to get all working again
> after the hacker attack.
>
> Peace,
>
> René

--
Lori Tostado

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:40:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Back On-Line

I'm here.

operacat

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:00:46 -0400
Subject: BIG HUGS all around.

Hi, Listmates. Welcome back. I've missed us. Here are some big hugs for each and all of you.

(((((((EACH&ALL)))))))

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar, INFP
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Higher Emotional & Higher Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness,
aka I.A.M. Research, Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:20:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Back On-Line

René Mueller wrote:

> > Finally, the server has been reinstalled with new OS which
> > is more secure and reliable than the one we had before.
> > We had several attempts to trace the hackers but finally just wanted to
> > bring the server back .. so we do this now. Within the next
> > hours all functionally should be available again, the digests of
> > the several lists will be sent out tomorrow morning MDT as
> > usual. Needless to say it was a real drag to get all working again
> > after the hacker attack.

This is really interesting. During the Spiritweb downtime my computer motherboard crapped out totally and had to be completely replaced, resulting in my getting brand new set of updated chips free of charge. Also our condo manager's computer crapped out too during the same period of time.

There's something strange...

In the neighborhood...

Who we gonna call... ... ...

Hey... anybody out there... out there... out there... out there... (echoes)

doodee deedoo doodee deedoo doodee deedoo

Let's give a bunch of cheers and Hi5's for the Master Webmaster, René Mueller.

René, thanks much for getting us back up again.

Peace and Light to the SpiritWeb Computer.

---
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar, INFP
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Higher Emotional & Higher Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness,
aka I.A.M. Research, Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:29:22 -0500
Subject: RE: Self-karma

Hi Jody and everybody,

Rejoice! It is good to have you all back again!

A couple of weeks ago, Jody Bower wrote, "I am trying to figure out what 'self-karma' is." If you are still interested, Jody, I have some thoughts on self-karma to share.

As I understand it, self-karma is when your soul makes a choice for your personality that your personality would un-choose if it could. Regular karma is said to happen when some other "stronger" personality imposes their choice on your personality, to your apparent detriment. On the other hand, self-karma is said to happen, for instance, when your soul chooses to experience a lifetime as a person born into a condition or into a body that is not "favorable" to the personality. Usually this is something like ugliness or stupidity or poverty or handicap or ill-health - things which do not promote survivability in the body or acceptability in the culture. The explanation or justification or rectification or harmonization of this conflict between personality and soul is that the soul is aware of values that transcend the physical plane, so its value system supercedes the value system of the physical plane. It seeks to experience things that the personality has no interest in experiencing. Therefore the soul imposes on the personality experiences that outlast the lifetime of the body of incarnation. As you look around you at the world population in general, you can see that this makes for a lot of unpleasantness. It also produces a lot of resentment and bitterness in personalities against "God" for making the world this way. "All is chosen", as Michael has said, but the way the cosmos ("cosmos" meaning: all seven planes) is structured, some choices are made at some levels that other levels simply have to abide by. The "laws" of the physical plane are an obvious example of this. Our mere personality cannot un-choose these regulations. The soul of course lives within choices made by the cadre, and the cadre lives within choices of the entity . . . and so on all the way "up" the "hierarchy" of power (energy), value (love), and integration (truth) to the Tao which "ultimately" chooses everything. Our soul probably has more awareness of the reasons for choices made "above" it, and so it does not resist "restrictions" the way our personality resists the choices of our soul. Therefore the soul "suffers" less than our personality. Spiritual teachers all through the ages have advised the personality to relax, to neither resist nor insist. In Christian terms, for instance, this is stated, "Not my will, but Thy will be done." Colloquial wisdom says, using the analogy of card games, "You have to play the hand that has been dealt to you."

I believe this hierarchy of choice is a necessary condition in a cosmos derived from "consciousness"; "necessary" meaning: the cosmos simply cannot exist and function otherwise. Michael said, "The created evolves to become the creator. This is infinity." I would like to add that, "The creator involves to become the created. This is eternity." So who really, ultimately, absolutely, makes the choices? The subjects of karma and self-karma open up a discussion of the philosophical debate between "free-will" and "determinism." It also opens up for me an opportunity to explain what Gurdjieff called the "Law of Three," - the law in which free-will and determinism are reconciled." This is the same "Three" that Loa Tsu mentioned in the 42nd chapter of the Tao Teh Ching: "The Tao produced the One; the One produced the Two; the Two produced the Three; The Three produced ten thousand things . . ." The "third" departure from the Tao is the fundamental phenomenon we experience as dimensionality and stratification in the structure of the cosmos. I will make this the subject of another posting, if you like.

Philbert

Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:31:58 -0500
Subject: mainstreaming

Hi Shepherd and everyone,

FWIW, I liked your comments on chief feature.

Shepherd wrote: "I, too, have concerns about mainstreaming the Michael teachings in such a way that obscures the source of the material. When people read about a complex system, they are naturally going to wonder where it came from. I think it's quite possible that before long, the mainstream will accept channeling . . ."

I think I am the one on this list who brought up the matter of "mainstreaming" the teaching. It seems that I may not have made my thoughts on the subject as clear as they could be. It is not my desire to conceal the source of the overleaf system as channeled information. As the years go by, more and more people are indeed accepting channeling as a legitimate source of valuable information. These people might regard the fact that the overleaf system was channeled as an enhancement to its credibility. They are biased in favor of this sort of thing. However, there are many who do not now and will not in the future hold channeling in this esteem, and they might be prejudiced against the information if it is presented in this context. I am proposing that these people can be benefited with knowledge of the overleaves without risking offending their sensibilities regarding channeling. I believe I have discovered the conceptual, mathematical, logical, formula that derives the pure abstract archetypes of which the overleaves are one manifestation. For one thing, this puts the overleaf system on a much surer footing than alleged revelation alone. (Anybody can allege revelation and drift off into some pernicious illusion. Like others, I have learned to be wary of such claims.) For another thing, this will allow me and others who are likewise inclined to reach that part of the public that is either indifferent toward or biased against channeling or biased toward a more "scientific" derivation and presentation. We can have it both ways. We can reach both groups. If people "wonder where it came from", the thing is, Michael is not the only revealer of the archetypes - mathematics and physics are other sources. Let us not obscure these latter sources. As I see it, our challenge is to convey to both metaphysicians and non-metaphysicians the value of the overleaves (and the archetypes from which the overleaves are derived). I believe this might be part of an impending harmonization of science and spirituality that we will witness in our generation. At least, this harmonization is something that has been of interest to me since adolescence.

Philbert

Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:57:12 -0700
Subject: update

Hi Everyone,

Just an update--it seems the archives aren't working yet, so you can't get messages from mailing lists on Spiritweb now if you're using the "no e-mail" option.

Also, my web pages are not working on Spiritweb, but I'm trying to get a mirror-site going on my personal home page, just some of the links don't work yet (they refer back to Spiritweb and I have to fix that.)

I probably won't finish fixing it soon, since I've manifested taking a class I wanted, to begin to change my life, and it's an intensive (ie. "intense" is the operative word!) So I probably won't be online much for a couple more weeks.

I'm glad the list is back though! I missed you all!

Love,
Lori

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:52:42 +0800
Subject: WITNESS FOR THE THINGS TO COME

Dear Readers,

      About 7 years ago, I was then a professor of coomputer science and engineering of a Philippine university, inside the classroom I had a terrible pain and my facial color turn into yellow. My student call my attention and I was rush into hospital. The findings, I have a gall bluder explosion and I need an operation immediately. After operation I was in coma for 72 hours and I survive only with medical instruments connected to my body. I don't have any communication whatsover and I am practically dead in 72 hours.

      In 72 hours, I out of my body and have a chance to communicate with higher beings. I met the Angels, Archangels , and ascended beings in different levels. I thought I was dead and heaven would be my permanent residence. I met the master and said, " you are not dead, in 72 hours we will tell you the things to come." To this time, I bear a long and big scar on my abdoment 144 stiches, as a reminder of my experience. The following were the information I received while in OBE.

      a. On January 28,1998, the planets will be in conjuctions and neptune will be at constellation aquarius. The Age of Aquarius begin. However, this situation will continue until 2012.
      b. On March 21, 1998, the portal between 3D and 4D will be open . The earth 3D will begin to collapse and will causes unrest throughout the whole world. Weather disturbances, economic upheavals, and etc.
      c. On April 12,1998, the acceleration of humanity toward Christ consciousness and new energies will be installed. Contact all starseeds, and people of God. You have to travel and do your missions. Use the internet and coodinate your work.
      d. On May 11, 1998 , the Philippine national election and new energies will be available worldwide. The energy of Buddha will be available, celebrate the wesak festival.
      e. On June 10, 1998, the Shamballa energy of Goodwill will be available. June 12,1998, we celebrate 100 years of nationhood.
      f. On July 10, 1998, Interplanetary conference. Something, will happen of July 21,1998, according to PAO.
      g. On August 8, 1998(near) earthquake will shook the planet. Celebrate the planetary birth of Christ on August 21,1998. When you wake up get a Urantia Book and digest it well.
      h. On September,1998 a strong typhoon (hurricane) will pass your country.
      i. On October,1998 another strong typhoon and earthquake and some part in U.S. will occur . Prepare blessed candle and water.
      j. On November,1998 more physical disturbaces and people will be more irritated and confused.
      k. On December,1998, we start to feel the photon belt and it is causing more planetary disturbance.
      l. For 1999, Final Decision. I will post later dates, more things to come.

      The Urantia Book speaks of energy cyclones, universe circuits, worlds and vortex. (U.B. part I) The mechanism of the universe and probable scenario on how we will cross the boundary of space-time continuum. One of the best reference book after the Holy Bible. I pray that members of this list would investigate before any accusation.

         PRAYER
God is my caretaker; I shall not stray;
Side by side they lead me in the beautiful paths and
     glorious refreshing of life everlasting.
I shall not, in this Divine Presence, want for food nor thirst for water.
Through I go down into the valley of uncertainty or ascend up into
     the worlds of doubt,
Through I move in loneliness or with the fellows of my kind,
Though I triumph in the choirs of light or falter in the
     solitary places of the spheres,
Your good spirit shall minister to me, and your glorious angel will
     confort me.
Though I descend into the depths of darkness and death itself,
I shall not doubt you nor fear you,
For I know that in the fullness of time and the glory of your name.
You will raise up to sit with you on the battlements on high.
(Prayer Reference : URANTIA BOOK page 552, paper48)

" LONG LIVE THE BANNER OF CHRIST-MICHAEL !!!"

In Love and Light, +Ernie ^i^ +AEUZ+AEUZ+AEUZ+ ^i^

Dr E. L. Damasco

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:15:14 EDT
Subject: Re: WITNESS FOR THE THINGS TO COME

In a message dated 98-07-20 00:53:02 EDT, Ernie writes:

l. For 1999, Final Decision. I will post later dates, more things to come.

That's great, Ernie. Can you do stock market predictions? Do you know who will win the World Series? About when I should expect my next bowel movement?

Dave

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:47:43 EDT
Subject: Re: RE: Self-karma

In a message dated 98-07-19 16:28:19 EDT, Phil writes:

As I understand it, self-karma is when your soul makes a choice for your
personality that your personality would un-choose if it could. Regular
karma is said to happen when some other "stronger" personality imposes their
choice on your personality, to your apparent detriment. On the other hand,
self-karma is said to happen, for instance, when your soul chooses to
experience a lifetime as a person born into a condition or into a body that
is not "favorable" to the personality. Usually this is something like
ugliness or stupidity or poverty or handicap or ill-health - things which do
not promote survivability in the body or acceptability in the culture. The
explanation or justification or rectification or harmonization of this
conflict between personality and soul is that the soul is aware of values
that transcend the physical plane, so its value system supercedes the value
system of the physical plane. It seeks to experience things that the
personality has no interest in experiencing.

I don't like the rules of that game. It sounds like a form of victimization to me. It breathes life into images such as essence being a master puppeteer dangling our poor personalities by a couple of strings. If the favorite new age maxim "You create your own reality" has any relevance, I would think that the idea of our personality experiencing untold horrors that are beyond our control is nothing more than a misnomer, or perhaps a result of biased channeling.
BTW, since on the astral plane we are essentially just a pulsating blob of light, what use is a physical plane lesson such as ugliness? I think I know what most of you will say to this, but in the overall scheme, such lessons seem rather trivial.

Therefore the soul imposes on the personality experiences that outlast the lifetime
of the body of incarnation. As you look around you at the world population in general,
you can see that this makes for a lot of unpleasantness. It also produces a lot
of resentment and bitterness in personalities against "God" for making the
world this way. "All is chosen", as Michael has said, but the way the
cosmos ("cosmos" meaning: all seven planes) is structured, some choices are
made at some levels that other levels simply have to abide by. The "laws"
of the physical plane are an obvious example of this. Our mere personality
cannot un-choose these regulations. The soul of course lives within choices
made by the cadre, and the cadre lives within choices of the entity . . .
and so on all the way "up" the "hierarchy" of power (energy), value (love),
and integration (truth) to the Tao which "ultimately" chooses everything.

Hogwash. I think it's time to break the rules. ;-p

Dave