Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:43:51 +0800
Subject: Re: Voodoo doll and OTTERLY too!
Dave wrote on 26/6/98 2:04 am:
> but,... would anyone REALLY want to wring my
neck? (tee hee)
Would certain member(s) of Seth List count? :-)
J J Tan
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:43:57 +0800
Subject: Re: CF Choice before birth?
Victoria wrote on 26/6/98 4:36 am:
> Hi All,
> It is my understanding that the chief features are chosen in response to
>physical plane experiences during childhood, and not before a particular
>incarnation. Now I might agree that essence could have something in mind, as
>Im sure it always does, but Michael has said that children 'try on' various
>overleaves during the early years, including the centers which are chosen at
>the 2nd Monad and the Chief Features which are fixated at the beginning of
>3rd monad. So I guess to me it would not be exactly accurate to say that the
>CF's are chosen before incarnating. Considered, perhaps, as part of the
>life plan, but not 'in place' yet.
> Best regards.
I would like to add that I remember "trying on" different CF in those stages
of my life. i.e. My own validation.
J J Tan
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:38:18 EDT
Subject: Re: RE: "mainstreaming"
In a message dated 98-06-27 15:36:41 EDT, Otterly writes:
an accident! I don't think this guy knew it
would be a cult classic! Now they make
curtains and toilet seats based on this. I, personally, found the Celestine
Prophecy to be something far from what the "mainstream" found it.
I thought "The Celephane Prophecy" was much better.
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:26:04 +0800
Subject: Re: RE: Philip's Overleaves and archetypes--and
Otterly Blue wrote on 25/6/98 8:48 pm:
>for Michael. It seems that everyone on this
list channels Michael, so maybe
>this is nothing to you, but I have a good feeling about your work.
>Keep it up.
Hey, the only channeling I know how is displayed on my TV remote control. I
wish Michael could appear on the tube, though. ;->
J J Tan
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:25:24 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: Re: RE: Choosing CF & Lori our love
I just gotta comment, but only a little. I want to put forward how I perceive
us as beings. Don't throw things afterwards though OK?
My point of view is that we are energy matrixes which are complex but which
have some fairly simple laws to follow. Energy which freely moves feels good and
energy which is restricted in some way hurts. When we interact with other energy
beings (that is to say everything) we perceive only what resonates with our own
being at some level of awareness. if it resonates with a part that flows freely,
we have pleasure together. If it hits something stuck inside us, we experience
pain. it is our own pain we feel being energized by the contact. It may very
well bear the same interpretation for the other, but it may not. For instance
what you feel as impatience on the part of your "next" child may well be your
own CF totally. You might do well to suspend judgement on that for a while.
Other energies imapcting your own are there by resonance with you and subject to
change as you change.
Anyway, after a full life including raising three kids as a full time father
(thank you very much) and experiencing the most amazing run of loss in the last
three years (that is to say pretty much everything i ever held dear), I have to
say this view of things holds water better than any I've encountered. I can more
clearly than ever see that the pain in my life has had nothing to do with anyone
but myself. I have chosen to encounter and resonate with some events and not
others because of my own fear structure and am slowly learning to make each
experience more proactive. With each sudden shift in my life, I am learning to
root out the fears from deeper levels of my awareness and release them so that
they no longer resonate with the energies of others. Then, when I deal withother
people, things or non-physical beings, I can carry away from those experiences
what helps me to grow. When i work on someone's energy field in a healing
modality, I can observe my emotional response to the energy which passes through
me and see my feelings as my own and follow them to the origins. Touching the
child inside me with all his childish anxiety and offering healing to him is
getting easier daily. the more devastating the pain of loss and grief, the
deeper into my own psyche I can access and heal. Each experience is carefully
designed for my burgeoning awareness of who I really am.
I can't for the life of me figure out where this all started. i apologize for
rambling but... the point is to illustrate that each encounter with the energy
around us provides growth for the soul. Making these events acts of awareness
accelerates the growth. Making them personal and tragic and overwhelming slows
the growth. It is just energy in motion after all. My experience of high centers
has shown that our "normal" perception of ourselves is just not a big deal "up
there". Love to Michael or an ascended master or an angel, is pure energy moving
freely and a source of great joy, but not personal or particularly meaningful
beyond its essential divinity.
Just another old priest on a rant!
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 09:42:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Response to Phil--Overleaves and Archetypes
>Phil: The thesis I want to present is that the
archetypes are an
>ideal, conceptual "template" or "pattern" that has a mathematically and
>logically exact existence in the mind of the Tao...v >
>Gloria: Yuk. I don't see it that way. My sense is that the term
>"archetypes" at best invokes a crude concept for these "patterns," and
>that, rather than having a mathematically exact existence at Tao, they
>are fluid patterns--resilient, resonant, continuously fluctuating as
>they flow out of the container that is the Tao--to us, and back again,
>to the Tao. Patterns which move to an ever-responsive rhythm within a
>fathomless creative source.
>Phil: The Overleaves as expressed in the mere human personality are a
>crude, dim and distorted shadow of the pure abstract archetypes.
>Gloria: I don't think so. I believe they are very reflective of the
>spectrum of expression of these "archetypes." And I'm sorry you see
>the human personality in such mere terms, as there is much about the
>human personality that is extraordinary. It is a wondrous thing to me,
>that despite the thick dimensionality and proclivity for forgetfulness
>of this dimensional existence, we nevertheless have all capability of
>recalling our Selves, and acting from that Self-knowledge.
You two may be arguing apples and oranges. I hate to see either side on this
"arguement" as wrong since both ideas have a great deal of merit. Both the nitty
gritty details of the human experience and any theoretical mathematical
foundation to our being can both valuable and one does not exclude the other.
(Then again, I can easily work crude, dim and distorted into valuable
commodities on the Human Experience Exchange - H.E.E. - hee, hee, hee....)
It seems to me quite likely that there could be a mathematical language
behind All That Is and closer to home, a mathematical statements inside each
overleaf. Mathematics is not a human invention applied to nature but a discovery
Could it be that each overleaf is at some level a mathematical expression and
we are involved in the solution and yes, you get the right answer when you
become awaken in a higher center.
Ted, the artisan and most ordinal skeptic.
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:24:12 -0400
Dear Michael Listers,
Subject: Thought for food from Marianne Williamson
Below is an extract given to me, from Marianne Williamson's "A Return to Love".
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
"It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
"We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant,
gorgeous, talented, and fabulous?
"Actually who are you not to be?
"Your playing small doesn't serve the world.
"There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so
that other people won't feel insecure around you.
"We were born to make manifest the glory of
GOD that is within us.
"It's not just in some of us... it's in everyone.
"And as we let our light shine, we unconsciously
give others the permission to do the same.
"As we are liberated from our own fear,
our presence automatically liberates others."
So shine on, Phil and Troy, and all of us.
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar, INFP
7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
Higher Emotional & Higher Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness,
aka I.A.M. Research, Columbia, Maryland, USA
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:40:32 EDT
Subject: TED TRADED TO THE 2nd ENTITY
In a message dated 98-06-27 17:42:22 EDT, Ted writes:
Started out as hunter-gatherers? For those of us
who are a bit more
Darwinian in their story of our origins.....started out as randomly
colliding organic molecules in a tidal pool.....and on and on. (Darwin
may have been on to something but I personally think he could have
abandoned the random in random selection)
Damn, Ted. You're batting average is outstanding! In fact, it's TOO good. So
just like the baseball trades, the Fifth entity feels you may ask for too large
a salary next year when you file for free agency. Therefore, we are trading you,
(along with a minor league deva to be named later), to the 2nd entity for Lori
Tostado, and the league leading home-run hitter, and average poet, Shakespeare.
Just leave your uniform in the locker when you go out. ;-p
Dave - This is my theory, and it's mine, mine, mine....
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 17:29:16 -0700
Subject: Re: TED TRADED TO THE 2nd ENTITY
By far a great theory....
Do I get to keep my number, my pension plan, my health plan, and my lucrative
Vegemite Bar contract????
Gotta go make copies ---
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 19:27:57 UT
Subject: RE: Barry McGenius
As a psychologist, my own route down this path
is to see a way to
integrate/correlate the Michael system with the field of transpersonal
psychology . . . what's MISSING in transpersonal theory is an appreciation of
how individual consciousness evolves in stages over many lives (i.e. through
reincarnation), as well as a meaningful understanding of what Phil calls the
Jody says: sounds like Good Work, Barry . . . maybe your True Work???
IMHO Michael said in Yarbro that theirs is a
teaching for old souls,
and (my addition) in general, "mystery schools" of the past, which involved
discarnate sources and metaphysical and esoteric subject matter,
likewise were for old souls generally.
and Barry said:
Oops, I've obviously gatecrashed the wrong
party. Well, I'll just be going now...
Jody says: I just read in somebody's book that Michael calls anyone at
midcycle Mature or above "older souls." So we don't have to feel like we're
standing outside with our noses pressed to the window, Barry me boy!
Then Barry said:
Speaking of CFs, I would suggest that the
function of a Chief
Feature is to increase the experience of SEPARATION, which is after all one of
the things we come here to experience and live through . . . what the CF also
does is create the experience of being a separate MIND. This "forces" the
individual to "think for himself", to consciously call upon their
own inner resources and confront outer reality.
In order to transcend ego, you need an ego to transcend. So I'd say CF's
job is to reinforce the development of ego, which fosters a sense of
self-responsibility. At the 4th monad, soul says to ego "Thanks, but
I'll take over from here". (And ego, of course, says "Get lost").
Jody says: Sounds about right. Thanks for the clear thoughts.
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 19:40:47 UT
I just have to write this out to make sure my thinking is clear on this.
Our center is how we best/most easily process input, while our part of center
is how we express it back out to the world. I'm in the emotional part of
intellectual center, so while I may think about stuff deeply and logically, when
I come to express myself it's usually in personal, rather emotional terms
(perfect for my job, where I read medical journals and then distill the
information for lay readers).
The "trap" comes in when we don't loop through our primary center before
expressing ourselves. If I'm operating out of the trap, I go straight to
emotional reaction without thinking - usually not a good idea, for me! I have an
emotionally-centered, intellectual part of center friend who just killed a
relationship by reacting out of her intellect to an emotional outburst from
another friend - which was seen as cold & uncaring by the second friend. Violent
or abusive people may be in the moving part of emotional center; instead of
taking the time to say "hey, I'm angry, that's why I feel like hitting
something," if they're in the trap they'll just go ahead and hit.
Now I'm thinking - in answer to Lori's long-ago question - that obsessive
behavior must come in part from being in a trap.
Okay, now I'm clear on that, gotta go think about archetypes for a bit.
Anyone else out there into the Tarot?
Gears spinning -
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:46:22 EDT
Subject: Mainstreaming/Mystery Schools.
I don't understand how or why we would want to
worry about "mainstreaming"
the teaching. I know someone would stand to make a lot more money, or at
least those with the impetus to write or speak.
There is, imo, enormous value in practical (day-to-day) applications of the
body of work that we label "the michael teachings". Matter of fact, even the M's
tell us, that that is precisely what the information given us is intended to
assist. It is not a spiritual path, no "salvation to be distributed", just solid
"you're here to live this life, go out and grow and contribute to the whole (and
here's a little information that might help".
Look at, for instance, the education system we have. Stamp them, cut them
out, send them off. This homogenous approach to education is failing to greater
degrees as the years go by. How much of that is due to an insistance of
"sameness" of a young soul society? So a mature world approaches and change will
occur. If those of us so inclined can promote an understanding of how at least
"role" affects the ability of children to learn we can possibly aid those who
will be doing the changing in a positive way. This would in turn lead to
happier, more effective fragments populating a world that needs tremendous help.
It is highly unlikely that the "mainstream" will openly embrace anything that
is "channeled" no matter how well we attempt to explain what that means.
"Conversations with God" is not an unknown concept and was therefore accepted.
"Conversations with Causal Plane Entities" will get most doors slammed
instantly. So, many of us will write under our own names and not give the M's a
credit. This is not a short term plan, do you see that? This projects out a
hundred or more years. There is a bigger picture, more long term that just what
we will accomplish today or tomorrow. Causation is progressive. Starts small,
rolls downhill, picks up momentum.
Barry has a part of the key. To make psychology flexible enough to work under
"new rules" and train a new set of "holistic" psychologists, who in turn will
make their own progress. This would work with educational approaches, which are
comfortable with the psych basis. There won't be much money to be made in this,
that I can see. Ground breaking is rarely profitable... but it will contribute
to a "forward movement of societal growth" This applies in many, many, different
areas, besides education.
I think it is important to understand that we are, as Michael students, this
age's version of a "mystery school". The school has many different faces, many
diverse applications. There will be those who channel or work with the school's
students [the late mature/old souls who are ready for the straight up work],
there will be those who channel technical information to create a pool of
"suggestions" for science, those who work in healing, those who work in
education, etc.. "Mainstreaming" does not mean that we will be changing what we
now know as the teaching. It only means that the school grows as well as the
students, and begins to promote of portion of itself outside the school.
"But who would be the Authority? What would all
the Michael Channels do?
Will we have to develop a Secret Society to figure a way to infiltrate the
media and lives of people with new information from Michael?
Troy, you are amazing, where do you come up with stuff like this?! :D You
know we don't need an AUTHORITY. This work is based in individuality and
validation. We can, as a group determine what works and what doesn't but it
still comes down to personal perspective. That's why it works for mature/old
souls. We can also all go our own way. The mainstream information passing will
most likely begin in clinical or research or university settings.
Possibly in the media, but it's still "come and get it" information. It is NOT
coercive. Let's see a show of hands from anyone willing to create karma!
Right, I didn't think so.
And are we in any position to be concerned about
"saving lost souls"?
Never have been, never will be, there are no "lost souls" to be saved, etc.,
etc., etc. But this begs the question of: are we in any position to assist those
around us in understanding and growth if we are asked to do so.
Anyway, it is a daunting task to consider if you think you need to change
everything to a Michael perspective within a few years. I don't think any of us
will really see the change. We will be a part of the change in our next
incarnation. We will lay the groundwork, do some teaching, some training, pass
it on and keep it alive. My life task is to "disseminate my perspective in
writing". There is no way I can share perspective that would not have Michael
running very strongly through it. Also, my agreements in this lifetime are of a
facilitating nature and so "mainstreaming" is something that sits on a back
burner in my thoughts most of the time. How do I take what I know *out* to the
Barry! The one problem I am running into here, in "mainstreaming" is how to
make the reincarnational aspect palatable to this judeo/christian society. Have
you worked on this angle, or have any ideas? I can see modifying Jungian
archetypes to more readily express Role, but the other is a difficult concept.
We may need a few more "Bridey Murpheys" in order to get the population at large
comfortable with the concept.
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:32:57 EDT
Subject: Re: Mainstreaming/Mystery Schools.
About making reincarnation or past lives palatable -- I wouldn't bother
trying to finesse it, I feel fairly confident that most people who are the least
bit interested in anything that mainstreamed Michael might include will accept
past lives as a possibility, or as a reality. I believe that if you just state
the multi-lifetime reality as a fact that doesn't need to be proven, you'll do
Younger souls do NOT want to know about past lives (or soul ages) and won't
come near anyone teaching this stuff. Mature and old souls are ready to hear it.
I don't think we should regard it as too far out; it's not. It also isn't good
to perpetuate the fear-based and distorted Judaeo-Christian misinformation on
All the best, Ed
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 16:49:22 -0700
Subject: Re: "mainstreaming"
>I thought "The Celephane Prophecy" was much
And please let us not forget "The Cellulite Prophecy"........
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 16:49:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Voodoo doll and OTTERLY too!
>> but,... would anyone REALLY want to wring my
neck? (tee hee)
>Would certain member(s) of Seth List count? :-)
>J J Tan
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:55:00 -0700
Subject: Re: TED TRADED TO THE 2nd ENTITY
>Damn, Ted. You're batting average is
outstanding! In fact, it's TOO
>good. So just like the baseball trades, the Fifth entity feels you may ask
>large a salary next year when you file for free agency. Therefore, we are
>trading you, (along with a minor league deva to be named later), to the 2nd
>entity for Lori Tostado, and the league leading home-run hitter, and average
>poet, Shakespeare. Just leave your uniform in the locker when you go out.
Eh? You wanna trade me out of the second entity? Well, OK, but only if you
find someone to trade out of the fourth entity for Gloria!!
;-p She's my bud!
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:07:21 EDT
It also isn't good to perpetuate the fear-based
and distorted Judaeo-
Christian misinformation on past lives.
Ed, what are saying here? Did I make a statement that led you to believe that
this would be one of my objectives?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:42:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Misinformation
Dear Kathy -- No, no, nothing you said. I was speaking of real or imaginary
thinking that "mainstream" acceptable teachings don't mention channeling, or
past lives or reincarnation (which have been stripped out of the mainstream
religions). My intended meaning was that if we avoid openly, boldly dealing with
that stuff (which older soul people really need to know about if they don't
already) we are contributing to the hold the dead hand of the past has over our
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:37:17 +0800
Subject: Re: RE: Choosing CF & Lori our love
At 06:56 PM 6/26/98 -0000, Otterly Blue wrote:
>We, by nature, I believe, look for the good in
all things. This includes
>our CF's. Though WE can use them to our advantage when we are conscious of
>them, I still have to say that the moment you are conscious of them, and
>able to transform your experience into one of empowerment, it is no longer a
>CF! That would be like saying the color BLACK is still BLACK even when I
>exchange it or alter it to Red, or Blue, etc. It may be technically true
>that all colors are present in all colors, but we don't live there. We live
>where we recognize the differences and though we can learn to love them all,
>they are not the same things to us.
Hi, I would just like to comment on this part... with some thoughts that are
not original (from me). :-) I remember in Hoodwin's book, "Journey of a Soul" he
mentioned that he channeled a few people's overleaves without a Chief Feature.
It was particularly confusing because one particular client of his was acting
(or speaking?) in a arrogant manner. Upon confirmation from Michael, it was said
that the client choose to behave arrogant because that is the most effective way
in his business life, but he does not have the element of the fear
(vulnerability) of arrogance. I think Michael further elaborated that (my
paraphrase) Chief Features are "bad" if we are not conscious of it acting out.
It is like the centering and the "part", or "trap". It is when we are not
conscious of it, that it becomes a "trap", and in as much the same way, when we
are not conscious of it, the Chief Feature is the trap that ensnares us.
When we are aware of it, Chief Features can be less of a "shield" (when it
was fear-based), but more or a "mask" (in the sense of stage drama).
"Nature abhors vacuum"... in our human societies, people around us
subconsciously expects everyone else to have Chief Features of some sort. Well,
especially in a society like Singapore, and most probably all other cosmopolitan
centers in the world as well. The "void" of acting without Chief Feature can
sometimes attract unnecessary attentions, sometimes nice, sometimes disruptive
(if not destructive). Conscious use of Chief Feature, in this aspect, (and in my
view) can be helpful.
So I guess the most important element is to be conscious. :-) Or, to use
Castaneda's term, "stalking yourself".
J J Tan
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:50:50 EDT
Subject: Re: The Bard traded to the 4th for...
In a message dated 98-06-30 02:04:50 EDT, Lori writes:
Eh? You wanna trade me out of the second entity?
Well, OK, but only if
you find someone to trade out of the fourth entity for Gloria!!
;-p She's my bud!
Actually, Gloria was my next selection, but I didn't think the 4th entity
would part with her unless we had some excellent buying power, like Shakespeare.
So you beat me to the punch, sis....;-p
Dave - With Lori & Gloria, the 5th will take the series! :-)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 04:18:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Voodoo doll and OTTERLY too!
In a message dated 98-06-29 21:41:49 EDT, Ted writes:
>Dave wrote on 26/6/98 2:04 am:
>> but,... would anyone REALLY want to wring my neck? (tee hee)
>Would certain member(s) of Seth List count? :-)
> J J Tan
Yeah, but that wasn't my quote, JJ. You quoted Otterly...;-p
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:58:16 -0500
Subject: space structure chart
Achtung! Pet Theory Dept.
It was a dark and stormy night . . . Well actually it was probably a bright
and sunny day-in August of 1981-- when I set down with "Messages From Michael"
and a sheet of paper, a pencil and a ruler to make an overleaf chart for the
first time. Using the drafting skills I have from my engineering occupation, I
drew a grid of boxes on the paper. I then filled in the boxes with the
appropriate overleaves, and I titled the rows and columns as given in the book.
The way the information was presented in the book the grid is asymmetrical in
terms of the way the columns and rows were arranged and named. During the next
few days and weeks as I pondered the chart, my Higher Intellectual Center kicked
in. It has a strong bias for beauty, of which symmetry is one attribute. The
chart practically begged me for a symmetrical arrangement, both in terms of
layout and in having titles on all columns and rows and pairs thereof. The
Windows Metafile (.WMF) attached to this file shows you the present state of
that ponderation. I really hope you have the means to view it as a graphics
image. If not, let me know and I will try some other way. I have computer
programs that can translate between various graphics file formats. For now, here
is a brief verbal description of some of what it looks like. There is a grid of
7 x 7 = 49 boxes for the personality traits. The seven vertical columns are
headed up with the title, "Processes in Personality". There are four divisions
of these seven into the three pairs of (Ordinal and Cardinal, or negative and
positive) Action, Inspiration, and Expression, the Neutral being Assimilation.
This information was given in MFM. Shortly after I first set up the chart, it
was perfectly obvious to me that a title should be given to each of the seven
columns. I pondered, and eventually came up with: under Action is -Termination-
and +Origination+; under Inspiration is -Involution- and +Evolution+; under
Expression is -Analysis- and +Synthesis+; under Assimilation is Assimilation (go
The horizontal rows all have titles of overleaves as given in MFM: Level,
Center, Attitude, Role, Feature, Mode and Goal. These seven rows are headed up
with the title, "Aspects of Personality." Shortly after I first set up the
chart, it was perfectly obvious to me that +Mode+ and -Goal- were a Cardinal and
Ordinal (positive and negative) pair that could be headed up with that word
"Action" again; +Role+ and -Chief Feature- were a positive and negative pair
that could be headed up with that word "Inspiration" again; +Center+ and
-Attitude- were a positive and negative pair that could be headed up with that
word "Expression" again; =Level= was the neutral that could be headed up with
that word "Assimilation" again.
Eventually I also came up with names for the seven levels rather than numbers.
They are: Resolution and Activation under "Action", Foundation and Exaltation
under "Inspiration", Production and Exploration under "Expression", and
Composition under "Assimilation". I also came up with alternate names for some
of the traits: "Higher Intellectual" became "Conceptual", "Higher Emotional"
became "Impressional", "Stagnation" became "Equilibrium", "Retardation" became
"Reduction", "Repression" became "Reservation", "Sexual" became "Kinetic",
Moving" became "Vital", Self-deprecation became "Lowliness", "Instinctive"
became "Systemic", and "Self-destruction" became "Renunciation".
That is all I want to say for now. Your "homework assignment", dear Michael
students-should you choose to accept it-is to study this chart and write a
report to share with the rest of the "class" about what insights you had or what
channeling you did while pondering this symmetrical arrangement. Of course I
will also share the insights that I have tumbled to over the years. If this
first exercise goes well, after we extract some learning from the "Space
Structure" chart, I would like to go on to a "Time Structure" chart. Only after
that might we go into the mathematical derivation of the archetypes, and the
cosmic ramifications thereof. Is this fun or what!
PS: Some of you have made comments or asked questions regarding my postings.
Unfortunately I honestly do not have time to pursue a line of discussion with
each of you individually. I suspect that answers to many of them will show up
among your own insights to follow, or in the natural course of our group
discussions to follow. If you do not find an adequate reply eventually, please
remind me later. Thanks, gang!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:11:31 -0700
Subject: spiritweb down-time
I've been informed that the down-time we've been experiencing with Spiritweb
is due to the system being hacked, and Rene has had to re-install the whole
system from scratch. He said there may be more down-times to come in the next
days. So if you're experiencing problems posting to the M-list, you can send
them to me and I can try posting for you since I haven't had a problem on my end
Please just put something about "Post to Michael list" in the subject line for
me though so I know it's for the list. :)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:46:02 -0500
Subject: Aaron's channeling
Channeled by Aaron Christeaan, Michael Chat Room. June 29, 1998
This is a transition week from emotional review, to being in the [lower] moving
center. Specifically, that means integrating into your body and 'beingness', the
intentions you have been creating and processing on an emotional level.
Relationships will undergo changes these next few weeks, some radically. Where
some increased intimacy or distance was needed, you will see those changes
showing up in the moving center in action (or inaction). You will be bringing in
some people who you are close to in other parallels, who you may not know well
here, and also letting go of people who have been long term close circle people,
who are moving away from you, karmically on different paths. Try not to take
this process to personally, because it doesn't necessarily mean anything 'about
YOU' but rather about the bigger tapestry of relating weaving new patterns.
Some of these shifts will bring up strong emotions, and strong feelings, and
your will may be tested. Try to remain authentic and true to yourself, avoid
ingratiation or denial if possible!
Sometimes true compassion means setting firm boundaries, and it may look like
not giving the other person what they want. Realize that they are empowered to
create their own universe, and that you will assist them in that process by
*************** Questions on the Weather Report ***************
Q: What exactly is meant by "ingratiation"?
A: "Ingratiation" is the negative pole of [the goal of] acceptance.
Which means unconsciously agreeing to please someone, trying to make them happy.
Another word for it is groveling at the expense of telling the truth. We
unconsciously, through imprinting, want to please others because that is how we
were trained as kids. For all of you: You will feel your BODIES changing, new
energies flooding thru. You might even feel like a different person!
Q: Would we quickly recognize someone from another parallel? Would it feel
different than other "close" encounters?
A: It would feel like a very strong attraction or connection. What is different,
is that once you start talking and relating, you feel as if you have known each
other in THIS LIFE. You catch up with each other very quickly. That is different
than the feeling of knowing someone from another life. You think: "where did we
meet before". Feels good.
*************** Lesson for the Week ***************
"Integrating New Energies into the Body"
We have talked several times about MAN having three bodies:
intellectual, emotional and physical. Under some systems there are more bodies,
but most everything you need to know can be understood from a 3-body system.
When you go through a "nexus" such the one at the beginning of May, your essence
introduces new KNOWLEDGE, new systems of understanding, new challenges and
lessons, which it downloads into your instinctive center. Out of this download
of info, you find yourself attracting new situations, in order to manifest the
patterns here on the physical plane. For most people, though this pattern is
subjective, you will first notice your thinking and perceptions altered. You
notice things seem slightly different. Once these patterns settle into the
intellectual body, you begin attracting emotional situations to FEEL OUT how
these new thoughts will manifest. This affects who you hang out with, are
attracted to, who you want to work more closely with, etc.
This can include non-sentient matter such as plants and animals, trips, jobs,
and hobbies. After you have a few months to TRY OUT the emotional contexts, you
start BELIEVING in yourself, in this new YOU. Often new levels of
self-discovery, self-understanding, and risk-taking accompany this shift. You
have greater levels of self-esteem and courage to BE who you really want to BE.
The universe is continually giving you opportunities to increase your level of
abundance and having-ness, and that includes HAVING more precisely the
experiences, which promote the growth, and desires you are pursuing. Even when
things do not seem to be going your WAY, this principle still holds true. In
other words, even by NOT getting what you think you want, you are nonetheless on
the path to greater self-understanding, abundance and prosperity.
Once you really FEEL inside yourself this new level of truth, then you move to
the power chakra, and start experiencing this new you in the BODY, in actual
physical experience, and it becomes part of your BEINGNESS. Once you have spent
a few years at this new level of beingness, you start to take for granted that
this is "just the way you are!" You may even forget having been different. So
right now, all of you are moving into establishing the next level of BEINGNESS.
As you can imagine, this affects the degree to which you can manifest your
ESSENCE, and manifest your DESIRE. When souls become more adept, their desires
become fewer, and yet the time between desire and manifestation becomes shorter.
If you focus your desire (which we sometimes call the ENGINE of creativity) on
one simple thing, it shows up a lot more quickly, as opposed to scattering
yourself with many desires. Someone said that masters were people who desired
only ONE thing, and didn't stop desiring it, even when obstacles showed up in
Hint #1: Find new ways to MOVE your body, and new FORMS of expression, this will
accelerate your integration process.
Hint # 2: All desire is based upon the desire to experience unity of spirit, and
union with the Tao.
Questions and Answers
Q: In becoming authentic and true to yourself and in setting firm boundaries
(back to avoiding ingratiation and denial) is it essential or important to put
these truths to the other person in words or in action? I feel as though you
were speaking to me about my relationship.
A: First, tell the truth to yourself. Secondly, find a way to communicate that
truth, which speaks to your own experience, rather than projecting it onto the
other person. Say things like, "My experience is . . ." or, "What I am learning
is . . ." If you are able to couch your words this way, you are unlikely to fall
into either ingratiation, lying, or trying to make the other person be a certain
way. Avoid ultimatums but create boundaries nonetheless. As you both find more
legitimate forms of expression you will individuate, and have greater feelings
of self-esteem without having to give up what is good in the relationship.
Sometimes setting boundaries is painful. Remember that the pain is inside
yourself -- the OTHER person is not causing the problem. If they are being a WAY
that doesn't work for you, don't try to change them; just step aside and let
yourself react in a new way, or separate yourself from the behavior by
physically removing yourself, or by communicating more clearly, or by just
observing the pain that comes up for you, without judgment, or without trying to
make it different. Q: My arthritis (especially left index finger) is
horrible. Is it all the shifting? What can I do?
A: This kind of pain is due to putting stress at a deep close-to-the-bone level
-- hidden, in other words. Pain is a form of touch. Ask your finger what
expression it needs. For you, this has to do with your power of expression in a
male sense, getting what you want in the physical world, the power to be
demanding (pointing with your finger), so it runs pretty deep.
Q: I feel like I'm being "corded" in the middle of my back. Could it be due
to shifting? Is there a way for me to tell who's doing the cording?
A: Cording, yes, and also a place where you are wanting to strengthen your
power. If you have someone to manipulate your back, (like chiropractic) this
helps. If not, release the cords in water (shower or bath) at least once a day.
If it is a cord, the pain should subside immediately. If your back is
structurally off balance, then you will need some more attention. Sometimes, as
you remove the cord, the person's face or name will pop up. We cannot 'see' who
it is, but it doesn't really matter, because the lesson is for you to let go,
not about the other person's behavior or neediness. Once you know who is
thinking of you, or who wants some of your energy, then just give them an
occasional "good hit" of energy, and send a spirit guide to assist them, rather
than channeling the support energy through your own body.
(Outside Comment: For more info on cording/de-cording, see Jose Steven's book,
"Tao to Earth", Chapter 11.)
Q: I feel I have been doing a lot of clearing lately. When will it end? Will
that help to move it?
A: The clearing will continue for awhile, especially because you are entering
this body-centered phase, and your body is used to 'holding' patterns of
stability for the people around you. Part of your lesson now is being willing to
let other people be the anchor. You can truly find yourself, and find a new
expression of stability within yourself. That is hard to let go of, because you
think things will fall apart if you aren't there being the kingpin. However,
some degree of falling apart is happening anyway -- and for the good of all.
Many people in the group will be experiencing this same FEAR of letting go, so
this is a good question. To truly let go of a pattern means being willing to let
it disintegrate so that something else can take its place. You would rather put
something NEW or more stable into place, and then gradually let go of the old,
but it doesn't work that way!
Q: So is my body seemingly falling apart eventually for the better pattern?
A: A lot of what people experience as pain in the body, is the tearing apart of
old holding patterns, and letting go of what is familiar.
Sometimes it helps to remember that WHAT YOU REALLY ARE is just pure energy of
SELF, without body. So that body goes through periods like this where it becomes
PLASTIC (Comment: plastic, with nerve endings!) and is molded by the force of
CONSCIOUSNESS. Rather than body holding consciousness, just let body be nothing.
This is a difficult one for solid types! (Comment: and for those of us with
However, this is a time of great healing on the planet, because everyone is
opening to new patterns of expression, so there is a tremendous degree of
support there for change. Think of pain as: How am I being touched right now?
The energy you are receiving into the body is touching you in a painful way. How
could you shift that relationship to a truer one? Everything you experience
comes through the senses. Feelings in the body are what we call sensations. You
don't need to know what it is; just know that you have a relationship to it. You
can receive sensation passively, like, "I am in pain", or you can receive it
actively: "What is this sensation telling me?" The point is not the message or
thought, but rather the process of inquiry. Similarly, you can have an
experience of weather, like feeling bummed when it rains, or you can have a
relationship with weather, it affects you, and you affect it. So the question
is: Who is this PAIN person? Is pain a thing? Like people say, "my arthritis".
It is not YOU. Try to relax into the pain, and let it WORK on you, remember what
MOVES is not STUCK. You [erroneously] try to avoid pain, to escape it, rather
than moving through it. This is not to say that some people are not truly in
PAIN. This is far from the case, for many people experience extreme pain
everyday. However, they are still in relationship to their senses. Another way
to look at the body is: "How can I BE with the body -- without censoring,
editing, denying or repressing it? How can I deal with and express the INTENSITY
of having this body?" That is a real issue. We don't know if there is any way to
avoid the intensity of physicality. However, when you don't RESIST intensity, it
leads you to the next growth step.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:31:44 EDT
Subject: Mature Priests and CF's
I am mainly a lurker on this list but I have been having such a hard time
with my daughter that I have decided to "de-lurk" in order to ask some
questions. I am a 7th level mature scholar while my daughter is a mature priest.
I have not seen many questions in general about family members so either you all
have no children or you all are really great parents.
As I said I am a scholar while my daughter is a priest. I am having a
rough time with my daughter. It seems I bring out the worst in her and she
brings out the worst in me. So, in a true scholarly way I have been trying to
understand where she is coming from and perhaps I am hoping that our
relationship will get better based on that understanding. I have not found much
reading material on priests and I have a hard time understanding them. Can
anyone either give me a synopsis or point me in the right direction to where I
can get some reading material about priests.
When I search my higher self for answers I get the notion that my daughter
is different and special. Starting at 18 months she learned how to pray
regularly. We had never prayed in front of her and she observed it from a family
sitting next to us in a restaurant. It seemed that she was intensely attracted
to it, picked it up immediately, and continued it. She doesnt pray constantly or
regularly but that one event has stayed with her. I also hear her at night when
everyone is asleep "talking to her friends." When I asked what they looked like
she said they are beautiful and they come from Africa- China.
But my daughter came into this life very fearful and full of rage. And
this is the part that I have a hard time controlling. She takes it out on
everyone/thing around her and I am tired of being kicked, hit, and spit upon.
She came into this life afraid, angry, and confused. And when I look for answers
I know that she chose me to be the person to help her, tell her that she is
safe, and give her unconditional love.
But she also feels foreign to me in the sense that I feel I dont know her
well. Her older sister and I have spent many lives together and her younger
brother is a part of my entity and I feel I know them intimately. But I really
dont feel I know Rachel--my mature priest well. I love her dearly and I feel
this strong urge to protect, help, and love her. But I am at a loss as to how to
do that. All of these feelings of mine and her basic personality have been
present since the very beginning.
My question is how valid will her overleaves be at such a young age? (3)
How much of this could be explained by her overleaves? And I also have a more
basic question. I have a CF of Impatience and whenever I am having a bad day
with my daughter I feel the negative poles of my CF working overtime. How do
you, when you are in a challenging situation, move to the positive poles of the
chief feature? Is there some lever you pull or button you can push?!!! : ) Any
advice on ways to help yourself move to the more positive poles of the Chief