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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:26:38 EDT
Subject: What you can do, PT 2

Hello everyone!

Dave and I did some viewpoint comparisons recently on an IM that I though I would put forward on the board to see if anyone would like to expand on. This is a long post and some of it walks over well traveled paths, but please hang with me to the end.

Dave's stand, and I'm making this brief since we've heard about it extensively, is that the animal rights issue, in and of itself, causes such an impassioned response because everyone knows that it's a vile thing and because they don't stop participating, they live in guilt and justification which leads to a desire to avoid the subject.

My view is that AR is just the tip of the iceburg. That when you hammer on that one subject you open up a vast pool of guilt or frustration that covers an entire littany of causes. Did you eat meat today? Did you recycle? Did you flush toxic chemicals down the sewer system? Did you drive a car today? Did you buy products from companies that pollute? Did you use pesticides on your lawn? and on and on and on. All violations; yep, somebody give me a citation for failing at good stewardship. AR can be the poster child of wrongs done by this society since you are dealing with a deliberate infliction of suffering by mammals on a vast scale (which is only half the issue -- if suffering weren't involved would it then be "ok" to eat meat?). I do not intend to trivialize that subject but it's far from the only thing in my life that causes me to pause and wonder about the things I do that I know I shouldn't.

The response to this is "balance". It isn't good work to live with guilt. Many people posting on the AR issue have said as much. We do what we can -- but there is a level of frustration in attempting to do everything that leads to inertia and a conflict of integrity in only doing one thing, and not all things. Everyone on this board has an awareness level that is reaching beyond maya to differing extents. Everyone acknowledges the problems. Everyone is concerned or horrified about the direction of this planet.

Dave sees it as a case of when we can all have compassion for animal rights we will be making strides against all the ills of the planet. I see it as a case of until we all learn to love ourselves and extend that love to everything around us, only then will we be making those same strides. Fragments who perceive themselves to be victims care little about the woes of others, let alone the planet and its animal life, and I put it to you that the sense of victimization is wholey pervasive through much of the population of this planet. It is a fabulous tool that false personality uses effectively.

To a large extent, those of us in this teaching are attempting to leave the victim mentality behind, and not trade off maya laden guilts with new ones. The response to victimization is to do something about it. So, since this is Dave's passion I asked him what it was that he felt could be *done* about it. In response he listed the standard AR responses. That's fine and I think that there weren't any surprises there. What I was hoping for was that as a group, here within this teaching, we could actively combine our energy in a positive direction.

How about a call for volunteers to do a group meditation with specific intent on a regular basis? How about making a date to hit a chat room together and actively state our intent as one? Here we are, all 300 of us, with the knowledge of the interconnectedness of all things. We have the M's who have explained the strength of numbers and cohesiveness. We do not have to be in the same room physically to reach out together and pull on the strings of the Tao in order to affect change. The internet has brought us together and we have not yet, except possibly in aiding Ken to manifest his cool piano, used the strength and connectedness we have gathered together. How many of us have agreements to be here and do to this kind of thing? IMO, this is what being a part of a student association would include.

Thanks for listening.

Kath.


Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:23:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Farewells

 

| From: Kath
|
| I remember what it was like to be that age [21-26], but it's very often
| like remembering a past life -- almost another person.

 

Interesting observation. I agree, but hadn't thought of it like that.

 

| [I]t's very hard to pick understanding and caring out of black and white print somtimes.

 

Indeed.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:25:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Michael Material Websight addresses Request

 

| From: Mixchel
|
| [T]his list is full of scholars and sages with a real gift for
| remembering and ordering info that may be of enormous help in learning
| the Michael materials.
|
| A lot can be found on various Michael related web-sites
|
| Would one of you dear scholars (or anyone else inspired to) post a list
| of websight addresses for newbies and unorganised old preists to access
| more Michael material....pretty please with a cherry on top?

 

As I mentioned in (1998-22/2095) -

   I suggest you point your browser at Lori's site where you will find
   basic information about the teachings as well as many links to other sites.

This site is quite comprehensive IMO, and from it (and on it) you can find almost anything you want in the way of Michael stuff.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:25:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Conjoined twins

Hello Morgan,

 

| The Michael teachings are still very new to me, so be patient all you
| "greybeards" out there, but I'm sharing what I do know through reading
| Shepherd's "Journey" & the Yarbo books with a friend at work and we were
| talking about essences & roles etc. and she asked about Siamese twins
| that share the same internal organs. Do they have two separate sets of
| overleaves and roles or are they "one unit" and just where or what
| determines these specifics? Are they "a single spark from the Tao" or
| "two sparks"? I didn't want to hazard a guess and I don't have all the
| books to go look to see if that subject was addressed. Any help?

 

I'll "wing" this based on recollection and logic.

Internal organs notwithstanding, the human brain is what enables us to hold sentience. Therefore, even though twins are conjoined in some manner, there are two separate essences involved. So of course there are two sets of overleaves and everything else that goes with a fragment. Two essences/fragments, two sparks. Probably often, however, they are Essence Twins.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:15:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Dreams

I am told that sometimes dreams are a way for us to continue work on subconscious issues and healing. Sometimes we have issues which have traveled with us from past lives. As such, sometimes we would be replaying events which have occured in those lives. There is another piece to this though. Sometimes in our dream state we are actually visiting ourselves as we are in another dimension. I have a friend who channels a guide named Serapis who tells us that at any given time, we might actually have twelve simultaneous lives in different realms or dimensions. These are all interesting questions and I'm glad to have the opportunity to respond. Love and light. Lyanka.

Tamela M. H., Ph.D.
Associate Dean, Institutional Research and Curriculum Development
Trinity College, DC

 

> From: Kath

> I have many dreams that I am sure are not based on the physical plane
> but I am confused as to what is just the brain entertaining itself and what
> has a deeper meaning.
>    For example I have had dreams where I am not myself but I am experiencing
> life as another person. In these dreams I am in another body experiencing,
> feeling, and thinking as another.

I find it so fascinating that you should bring this up because I have had
the same experience and have always been puzzled by it. I have VERY clear
memories of two dreams, including dialogue, in which I am not myself. In
one dream I am a young woman of about 16 or 17, living in what i believe
to be one of the British Isles in the 1300's. In the other dream I am a 10
year old boy with an identical twin brother living with my paternal
grandfather and alcoholic father on a houseboat in the 1960's.
I can't wait to hear what ideas the group may have about this phenomenon!

Peace.
Beth

 


Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:12:57 EDT
Subject: Re: Conjoined twins

 

Internal organs notwithstanding, the human brain is what enables us to
hold sentience. Therefore, even though twins are conjoined in some
manner, there are two separate essences involved. So of course there
are two sets of overleaves and everything else that goes with a fragment.
Two essences/fragments, two sparks. Probably often, however, they are
Essence Twins.

 

    I have thought about this before as there have been many documentories on this topic. And I can't help but think in some cases there is a karmic ribbon to burn. Especially when one twin is less than healthy or when one twin is the dominant one. Sometimes vital organs are shared and they cannot sustain two bodies. Then the decision must be made by parents and medical personnel whether to intervene or not intervene. I have also noticed that many conjoined twins occur in countries that do not have the most up to date medical services. (or is this a misconception by the media?) And I wonder if there is a reason they want to be born in that area of the world. Many times I am awed by the karmic situation that exists with conjoined twins and that it is so obvious. I am also awed at how different the perception of ones body is before during and after the separation. Can you imagine someone cutting half your body off, laying it on the gurnee next to you and telling you that it is for the best?
Shannon


Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 21:52:03 UT
Subject: RE: Roasted animals

(oops, somehow sent this to Dave instead of the list)

Caris -

Thanks for your story and the point about about loving, so dearly, the very things we kill to keep ourselves alive. This planet is so beautiful and I love it and the creatures on it so much that it makes me ache - and yet I can't stand apart and say I'm not part of the problem, or that humans are not also creatures of the earth.

Thomas Moore says that when we have two ideas that are irreconciliable, the answer is not to pick one or the other, but to keep them both in tension. It is in that tension that our souls exist.

----<-{@ Jody


Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 23:13:59 UT
Subject: Flaming

Hi everyone again,

Kathy and I have exchanged a couple of emails on the issue of my reaction to Jeanne's "adieu" post. Here's a snip from what I said to her:

 

I've been flamed several times on this board, and I take it as a learning
experience, both for how to improve the way I communicate, and to learn
to have good boundaries. In other words, to take responsibility for
triggering the flame when I deserve it and apologize, and to say "that
wasn't fair" when I don't.

I'm just a little pissed at the moment. Being told "I love you but I can't
be around you" feels like a kick in the face, not love as I define it.

 

Kathy has pointed out that I might be a bit over-reactive and defensive, and that Jeanne has other issues going on that are coloring things for her. I am willing to believe that she is right. So I am going to accept some responsibility here for, as Ken would say, pushing my own buttons in response to Jeanne's post. Next time I get angry, I'm going to wait a day before I respond.

I've also gotten feedback that I can come across as judgmental in my posts. I don't mean to. Will work on that. Perhaps I need to invent a new acronym, like "LIJTAHDTIS" ("Look, I'm just thinking aloud here, don't take it seriously").

-----,-{@ Jody
mature scholar still learning about relating


Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 21:49:05 -0700
Subject: Manifesting Request

Dear Participants

Manifesting Request:

Please read the following at least once, but more than once magnifies they thoughtform.

Ted Fontaine will begin the 1998-1999 school year ADDING two more semesters of photography to his present work load. See him standing in front of a class of students. The room has long tables, a long sink, photographs on the wall, a chalk board, a large video screen, one wall with windows, file cabinets with photo books on top. The students are between the ages 14 & 18.
Ted Fontaine attracts cooperation, curiosity, responsibility, attention and integrity in his students.

Thankyou

Yours -- Ted

Artisan, Scholar Essence twin, Skeptic, Observation Mode, Growth,
Intellectually centered - moving part, CF Stubborness, BT Saturn, Solar,
Venus, 3rd level old. Gemini, Pisces rising.


Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:47:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Thanks Dave

 

Well, since nobody wants to answer the question of a newcomer, I'll risk
bodily harm and attempt an answer.

 

Thanks Dave, you are a brave soul.

 

<< me a lizard......no really he did! >>

What color was the lizard? Did it have big, sharp teeth? What about
small, beady eyes and a long, slippery tongue?

 

Greenish...No teeth. The one with the teeth brings the cat in.

 

<< Cetaeceans, the other ensouled species on this planet, also eat meat
& we don't fault dolphins for eating fish or whales for their "krill cocktails". >>

This is true, but dolphins don't enslave, force-breed, and torture their
captives, or abuse the environment with their food choices........

 

Yo Dave. I got that, and if you had read further you would have seen that I agree & I also mentioned that if we choose to eat animals we need to raise them in a more humane fashion and I very much look forward to the day when we don't need meat protein at all.

 

<< And just where do fish fit into the meat eating issue anyway? >>

Usually on a plate with some tartar sauce, I think. ;-p

 

Better with macadamia nut lemon butter sauce, but maybe we're pushing the "silliness envelope" here, so never mind about "fish rights".

 

Though, I know commercial fishing has been no party for seals in the past. Seals
apparently are a threat to a commercial fisherman's catch. You can
guess the prescribed solution.

 

Agreed. Seals (& dolphins who get caught up in nets) unfortunately pay the price for simply being an animal acting on their own survival instincts, feeding on the fish that other fish eaters want. Commercial fishing does way too much damage to all life forms in the sea. Hopefully, that will change someday soon.

But Dave, what about the Siamese twins?

Aloha,
Morgan


Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 03:06:02 -0700
Subject: Re: New Michael articles

Hi Victoria,

 

| Hi everyone,
|
| Just a quick note to let you know that we are in the process of posting
| some new Michael articles (3rd Monad) and channeling (artisans and
| leadership) on our web site. Check it out at www.gateway-assoc.com

 

In the article "The Third Internal Monad: Independence of Spirit" are the poles for the 3rd Internal Monad: +Independence, -Separation. This is the first documentation I have seen for Internal Monad poles. Can you advise what the poles are for the other 6 Internal Monads?

Thanks,
Dick
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:00:21 -0400
Subject: QUOTE OF THE DAY

FACTOID / QUOTE OF THE DAY

Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first. --Ernestine Ulmer

--
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness, INFP
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:20:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Flaming

Jody wrote:

 

> I've been flamed several times on this board, and I take it as a learning
> experience, both for how to improve the way I communicate, and to learn
> to have good boundaries. In other words, to take responsibility for
> triggering the flame when I deserve it and apologize, and to say "that
> wasn't fair" when I don't.

 

Good for you, Jody.

 

> << I'm just a little pissed at the moment. Being told "I love you but I can't
> << be around you" feels like a kick in the face, not love as I define it.
>
> Kathy has pointed out that I might be a bit over-reactive and defensive, and
> that Jeanne has other issues going on that are coloring things for her. I am
> willing to believe that she is right. So I am going to accept some
> responsibility here for, as Ken would say, pushing my own buttons in response
> to Jeanne's post. Next time I get angry, I'm going to wait a day before I respond.

 

Good for you, again, Jody. A lot of us on the internet have learned to "wait a day" before posting an emotional reaction post. There's even an IBM Thinkpad commercial where a man and a woman end up looking for the "unsend" button.

 

> I've also gotten feedback that I can come across as judgmental in my posts. I
> don't mean to. Will work on that. Perhaps I need to invent a new acronym, like
> "LIJTAHDTIS" ("Look, I'm just thinking aloud here, don't take it seriously").
>
> -----,-{@ Jody
> mature scholar still learning about relating

 

Good for you three times, Jody.

It seems as though emails are just as much a mirror of ourselves as is face time. Maybe even more since we humans tend to say things via email that we would not say face to face. Hmmm?

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness, INFP
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:15:30 EDT
Subject: No Subject

In a message dated 6/9/98 12:49:51 AM, Ted wrote:

 

>Please read the following at least once, but more than once magnifies
>they thoughtform.
>
>Ted Fontaine will begin the 1998-1999 school year ADDING two more
>semesters of photography to his present work load. See him standing in
>front of a class of students. The room has long tables, a long sink,
>photographs on the wall, a chalk board, a large video screen, one wall
>with windows, file cabinets with photo books on top. The students are
>between the ages 14 & 18.
>Ted Fontaine attracts cooperation, curiosity, responsibility, attention
>and integrity in his students.

 

      Ted, I am visualizing this as I type!! It sounds like you attract the same things in your students that I attract in my children. And since we are manifesting, I will describe the visualizing I have been doing and will continue to do.
Shannon's husband is going to accept the position in England that WILL come his way in the spring. I can see Shannon packings up her family's belongings and getting on a plane to England. I can also see Shannon making a comfortable home in England for her family and enriching her children's experiences by living in a different country and culture. Thats it!!
Shannon


Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:02:53 -0400
Subject: Manifesting Suggestions

Dear Shannon (and other Michael Listers)

Just a couple of suggestions on manifesting ... if you care to partake.

(a) When manifesting for yourself, instead of "seeing" yourself doing stuff it's much more powerful to "be" yourself doing what ever it is.

"I am packing up my family's belongings, etc..." is much more powerful and efficient than "I can see Shannon packing ..."

"Being yourself doing..." is much more powerful than "seeing yourself doing...".

(b) See and word your visions as already done.

"Shannon's husband has accepted..." is much more powerful than "Shannon's husband is going to accept..."

It is my experience that the universe is extremely literal. "Is going to" is always in the future.

Also "has come" is much more powerful than "WILL come..."

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness, INFP
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:20:12 EDT
Subject: Overleaves

      Can anyone suggest some good books that discuss overleaves? I would like something a little more in depth than the Yarbro books but still written for a beginner.
Shannon


Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:00:09 +0000
Subject: Bath time

Dear all,

This is slightly off topic.

As many of you know, I live in the wonderful city of Bath in England, one of the world’s eight Heritage Cities, and the UK’s second most visited city (after London).

My wife Emma and I are going on a retreat (an Enlightenment Intensive) for 6 weeks in July/August/September. During that time, our house will be available for low holiday rent, if any of you want to stay for a visit. (We prefer to let it out to people we know, however indirectly).

Scholars note: we have about 1,000 books on mind/body/spirit.

Bath is 20 miles from Bristol, <1 hr from Stonehenge, 1 and a half hrs from London. The city was built by the Romans around the UK’s only hot spring, and rebuilt by the Georgians (Jane Austen era). Our house is a Victorian mid-terrace house with 2 main bedrooms, sleeps 2-5, on a hillslope with wonderful views over the city, 10 mins walk from the centre.

      B A R R Y
_____________


Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:43:54 -0400
Subject: RE: Manifesting Request:

Hey, Ted, Is 36 too old for your class? It sounds fun....yes yes I know you were specific 14-18 yr olds....next lifetime maybe

Namaste',
M'IxChel
preist/artisan

PS: My thanks to everyone who responded to the Michael websites info request


Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:47:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Lori's web site is back up.

Lori's site is back up!!!!!!

Yipee!!!!! Hahaha!!! Oh, joy....Oh, rapture....
Folks, it doesn't get any better than this. :-)

So who agrees that Lori's website is a higher center experience?
Who agrees that Lori is a higher center experience?
Who agrees that I need a frontal labotomy?

Who just agrees?

Dave - Happy days are here again.


Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 23:27:34 UT

Dave - I completely agree! You are so entirely right! I'm in awe of your wisdom and ability to cut to the heart of the issue!

Even your spelling is right.

-----<-{@ Jody
mature scholar with fingers crossed behind her back. . .


Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:50:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Lori's Website ==> frontal lobotomy?

Hmmm. My dictionary spells it "lobotomy".

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 00:34:34 UT

I guess the sarcasm didn't come through in the email.

----<-{@ Jody


Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:23:00 EDT

The list wishes to recognize that Dick and Jody have demonstrated a superior performance in the spelling of the word, "lobotomy." {Loud applause}

Dave


Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 02:02:34 EDT
Subject: Re: Overleaves

In a message dated 98-06-09 17:21:22 EDT, Shannon writes:

 

Can anyone suggest some good books that discuss overleaves? I would like
something a little more in depth than the Yarbro books but still written for
a beginner.
Shannon

 

Hi Shannon....you might look for either Joya Pope's "The World According to Michael," or Jose Stevens "The Michael Handbook." And then for something with a little more meat on it, try Shepherd Hoodwin's "The Journey of Your Soul."

I believe all of these books can be found at Barnes & Noble online, but if not, go to the aforementioned web site of Lori Tostado, and peruse for the link that'll take you directly to the author's sites.

Happy reading. :-)
Dave


Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 23:30:16 UT
Subject: RE: Ted's students

Ted's students say:

"This is the best class I ever had."

"Mr. Fontaine is a cool dude."

"Hey man, you like photography? You should take this class."

"No, I don't wanna skip today, I've got my photography class."

----<-{@ Jody


Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:31:59 -0400
Subject: Otterly Blue's View UPDATE

Hi everyone,

It's been awhile recovering, but I think I'm back on track.

If you'd like to hop on over to the Web Site here are the basic updates you can look forward to:

*Ask Michael: new information about "octave endings/beginnings" (if any other channel has gotten information about this, please let me know...)

*Michael's View: an excerpt from a private session recently that delineates the process of any Internal Monad, specifically the FOURTH. (Since I am the little one out here all alone in the EAST, I would love any feedback about this from other professional channels. I don't really get to cross-reference that much, but I know someone must have gotten loads of info before about this. Let me know if it is in harmony or is drastically violating the previous info.)

*Win a FREE SESSION! Yep, that's right, fill out the feedback form, and be eligible for random selection monthly (you need only fill it out once to be included indefinitely). First drawing June 30!

I think that's about it... I hope this doesn't interrupt any discussion threads because I haven't read my "michael list" in a while. Oh, by the way... can someone tell me how to actually post correctly. The only way I know is through this email address which shows up later in the "digest", but it looks like a few of you actually respond to each other before the digest is sent out; almost in "real time". HELP!

thanks!

Otterly Blue


Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:46:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Lori's web site is back up.

Hi Everyone -- I'm back!!

And I have tons of e-mails to sort through. Tons! I honestly thought I'd have better access to my e-mail while I was gone but it didn't turn out that way, so I'm sorry I haven't replied yet to those of you who wrote me or posted things on the list, but I'll get to it all soon. Right now I'm jet-lagged out of my mind though.

 

> Lori's site is back up!!!!!!
>
> Yipee!!!!! Hahaha!!! Oh, joy....Oh, rapture....
> Folks, it doesn't get any better than this. :-)

 

Yep it's back up, and thank you Dave for the encouragement! But I am beginning to wonder about your priorities though, LOL!

 

> So who agrees that Lori's website is a higher center experience?
> Who agrees that Lori is a higher center experience?
> Who agrees that I need a frontal labotomy?

 

Or maybe a bottle in front of you, hmmm..... No really, thanks, you're very funny--as usual. I'll send you some pic's to drool on. ;-p <psyche!>

 

> Who just agrees?
>
> Dave - Happy days are here again.

 

:^) I have a lot to catch up on here....Like, 9 time zones and some strange sense of humor.....

Love,
Lori
a very, very tired scholar....<yawn>


Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:41:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Manifesting Suggestions

Well put Ken. I would like to add, that even the emotion of "wanting" reads as strong as the thought of "wanting", connecting with the emotional context of "being" seems to be as important as the thought.
PJ


Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:02:10 +0800
Subject: Re: Flaming

Kenneth Broom wrote on 9/6/98 12:19 pm:

 

> It seems as though emails are just as much a mirror of
> ourselves as is face time.
> Maybe even more since we humans tend to say things via
> email that we would not say face to face. Hmmm?

 

And vice versa. :-)

(sorry for a one-liner. There,lnow there are 2 lines.)

J J Tan

=====
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.


Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 12:42:47 -0700
Subject: humanity's overleaves

Interested folks

I have been playing with what the overleaves of the human race are and so far I have arrived at the following:

Role: Warrior (for our will to survive and our territoriality)
Essence Twin: Artisan (for our technology)
Mode: Perseverance (for the way we behave in our work)
Goal: Dominance (for our delusion that we rule nature and our desire for the Great Ones)
Attitude: Skeptic (For curiosity)
Chief Feature: Self Destruction (what usually happens to most of what we do as a race)
Centering: Emotional/Moving Part (the experience we incarnate for)
Body Type: Solar

Humanity's overleaves would be a description of the human collective. What would the overleaves be if all the past present and future incarnations of all fragments were in one being.

I invite any inclusions or alternatives to this set. Any questions or constructive comments are appreciated.

Yours -- Ted


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:29:17 EDT
Subject: Fwd: humanity's overleaves

Dear Ted -- Your choices seem to me to reflect a negative attitude toward the human race more than anything else. Are you cynic?

As to collective overleaves, this idea seems to me to be like the rainbow colors blending into white light. If all the past, present and future lives were blended or averaged, what we get is what I call #8, the blending of all of 1 through 7's. #8 is a unity or unification or at-one-ment of all the 1 through 7 characteristics.

All the best, Ed


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:57:11 -0400
Subject: Overleaves of the Human Race

Ted,

Very interesting. If Humankind is collectively the Warrior with the overleaves you have described, I wonder if other sentient collectives could possible embody one particular set of overleaves. If so, and if we are one of the Warrior "races", it might certainly bode well for future space exploration for us ... and not so well for others. (Unless, of course, we stay in protection. And we should really do all we can to get rid of that self-destructive feature, or we could take everyone with us ... which would, of course, be a valid choice, but not one that I'm partial to.) Hmmm. I have a million questions rolling through my head now. Got to polish my spear!

Gina

Mnemosyne - the Greek Goddess of Memory - as in, what was I supposed to be doing this life, and where did I put my car keys?


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:44:03 EDT
Subject: Re: humanity's overleaves

Ted, I think you have well-captured the overleaves for Western society at this point in time. The picture might be different at different times or places, of course.

I am not so sure we all average out to the white light blending of the color spectrum. Perhaps we are just one color, blending in with other colors from other planets (or parallels, or universes) that, all combined, make up a white light.

Reportedly, we are souls combined with the simian animal. That's an agressive animal, and it has to show up in our behavior. Not all souls everywhere are combined with the same animals, so their behavior will be different than ours. The warrior overleaf, for example, does not spring to mind when thinking about whales.

Our planetary overleaves might sound like that long chord at the end of the Beatles 'A Day in the Life.'

This is an interesting topic, I'm glad you brought it up. --John C


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:02:52 EDT
Subject: Re: humanity's overleaves

I have a question.

When we, as individuals or as a planet, come to a major choice point, do have to start a parallel for each possible choice? Do all the possibilities have to be explored? Do all the experiences have to be lived? Or can some just be ignored?

Could it be that if we have had similar experiences in the past we can skip that experience now, having already explored it? Or, would be required to experience it again at our newer, more developed, level?

If we begin to be able to skip experiences that we have preveiously explored, would it follow that as we become older souls we create fewer parallels, and live our lives closer to right down the middle.

Another possibility is that the opposite of that could be true. Maybe much of what our lives are about is increasing our ability to choose. Maybe we build up our choice muscles as we get older, and start flexing them, creating many many parallels.

Speculatin',
John C


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:23:48 EDT
Subject: Re: humanity's overleaves

If we limit ourselves to collective mass conscious cultural overleaves of the western world (and I don't think we have much business presuming to judge these things for China, India, and "third world" places) I would see:

Role: none, all are present in the usual proportions. But in a sense, the role of the US as a nation with a "special mission" gives us Americans (and Canadians and other English speakers have some of it, too) an unusual imprinting of sage and priest attributes or attitudes with respect to the world we are "supposed to be leading".
Goal: Growth, obviously and strongly so, it dominates mass cultural stereotypes.
Attitude: a blend with all present here and there.
Mode: Passion is almost as predominant as growth.
CF: a blend; self-dep, stubbornness, arrogance most common.
Centers: Intellectual/emotional and vice versa.

All the best, Ed


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:48:08 +0800
Subject: Re: humanity's overleaves

ted fontaine wrote on 11/6/98 7:41 pm:

 

>Interested folks
>
>I have been playing with what the overleaves of the human race are and so
>far I have arrived at the following:

 

<insightful info snipped>

 

>Humanity's overleaves would be a description of the human collective.
>What would the overleaves be if all the past present and future
>incarnations of all fragments were in one being.

 

I disagree on the "all the past present and future" part. Human average soul age changes (evolves), cultural imprintments (& overleaves) differs and change. I should prefer an "average" overleaves for the whole of humanity, at present.

 

>I invite any inclusions or alternatives to this set. Any questions or
>constructive comments are appreciated.

 

J J Tan

=====
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:15:06 -0500
Subject: Humanity's Overleaves

Howdy folks,

I am not sure about humanity in general - since I have not met everyone and I am not a channel - but I have been using the Ouija board to get Overleaves on people since 1981. I have charted many hundreds of people and there are indeed more "popular" Overleaves. It has been many years since I added them up, but if I recall correctly the most and second most common Overleaves are: Acceptance and Growth, Caution and Power, Idealist and Pragmatist, Intellectual and Emotional, Greed and Arrogance. I realize this differs from the experience of others, and from what Michael channels have said. (I think Shepherd and JP both have said things about popularity of Overleaves.) I admit my sample was not scientifically unbiased since I usually chart people who interest me in some way - likely because they have Overleaves compatible with mine. It has been said that Servers are the most common Role. I have found that Artisans and Warriors seemed to be the most common Roles present in our society, so I just assumed these Roles would naturally prefer to incarnate in technologically advanced countries that have lots of business opportunities. I assumed the Servers would prefer to incarnate in countries like India and China where there is perhaps more emphasis on social life. I have no insights on whether or not Humanity or Gaia have a bias toward particular Overleaves.

Phil Wittmeyer
5 old Artisan/Scholar, Acceptance, Observation, Spiritualist,
Intellectual, Arrogance


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:00:01 +0000
Subject: Re: Otterly's Internal Monad Stages

Regarding the stages of the 4th internal monad, I'd offer the following observations. Bear in mind I'm an Idealist -- I tend to put ideas together rather than take them apart. Skeptics will probably see things differently.

In Otterly's channelling, the sequence of stages, which applies to any monad transition, or indeed "to the process of any passage, challenge, or progress", is described as follows:

STAGE POLES
1 Initiation   + enthusiasm    - indifference
2 Introspection   + awareness    - brooding
3 Realization   + freedom    - separation
4 Manifestation   + purpose    - otiose
5 Contentment   + satisfaction    - contention
6 Magnetization   + attraction    - repulsion
7 Emanation   + alignment    - incongruity

Compare this with the number-values given in Yarbo:

1.   + Purpose   - Simplicity
2.   + Stability   - Balance
3.   + Enterprise   - Versatility
4.   + Consolidation   - Achievement
5.   + Expansion   - Adventure
6.   + Harmony   - Connection
7.   + Inculcation   - Eclecticism

Notice that this list only gives poles, not generic terms.

I wonder if here we have two representations of the same thing: process and state. Otterly's list seems to describe the *subjective* shifts required at each stage (eg, at stage 1 you go through either enthusiasm or indifference, which leads to either awareness or brooding respectively).

For example, in the positive poles:
     1. Enthusiasm leads to Purpose
     2. Awareness leads to Stability
     3. Freedom leads to Enterprise
     4. Purpose[?] leads to Consolidation
     5. Satisfaction leads to Expansion
     6. Attraction leads to Harmony
     7. Alignment leads to Inculcation

Whereas in the negative poles:
     1. Indifference leads to Simplicity
     2. Brooding leads to Balance
     3. Versatility leads to Separation
     4. Achievement leads to Otiose
     5. Adventure leads to Contention
     6. Connection leads to Repulsion
     7. Eclecticism leads to Incongruity

I'd query the word "Purpose" popping up in two different senses.

Interestingly, there is little correspondence in either case with the "septant process" of growth given by Jose Stevens:

     1. Growth
     2. Elimination
     3. Stability
     4. Corruption
     5. Healing
     6. Completion
     7. Neutrality

This, however, may apply specifically to the development of a new structure (eg, a business partnership), rather than the transition of a natural process.

There's one way in which Otterly's list differes significantly from what we've come to expect through Yarbro, and that's in terms of centers. Ordinarily we'd expect any sequence of 7 to proceed as follows:

POLE/AXIS ENERGY CENTER
1. ordinal-inspiration   slave-like   emotional
2. ordinal-expression   artisan-like   intellectual
3. ordinal-action   warrior-like   moving
4. neutral-assimilation   scholar-like   instinctive
5. cardinal-expression   sage-like   hi intellectual
6. cardinal-inspiration   priest-like   hi emotional
7. cardinal-action   king-like   hi moving

Otterly's list of monad stages, however, proceeds as follows:

STAGE CENTER FOCUS
1 Initiation   instinctive   trust
2 Introspection  emotional   authority
3 Realization   intellectual   responsibility
4 Manifestation   moving   purpose
5 Contentment   hi emotional   love
6 Magnetization   hi intell   truth
7 Emanation   hi moving   beauty

As a Scholar, I'm used to seeing the instinctive center in the balance point, 4, so this arrangement is intriguing. Actually, it makes some sense to me that the instinctive center could be the first to kick in, helping us to find our feet (establish trust) before we work out our role within the "new game" (establish authority). Think of Infant souls (1=instinctive/trust) and Baby souls (2=emotional/authority).

The "focus" terms are interesting. We are used to seeing love, truth and beauty/energy associated with the higher centers, but the terms associated with the other centers -- trust, authority, responsibility and purpose [that word again!] -- are new to me.

What's also interesting for me is that there are some intriguing correspondences with developmental psychology, in the model of Erik Erikson:

     Stage (crisis)...................quality evoked
     _______________________________________________
     1. Trust vs Mistrust..........................hope
     2. Autonomy vs Shame.....................willpower
     3. Initiative vs Guilt.....................purpose (!!)
     4. Industry vs Autonomy.................competence
     5. Identity vs Confusion..................fidelity
     6. Intimacy vs Isolation......................love
     7. Generativity vs Stagnation.................care
     8. Integrity vs Despair.....................wisdom

(Nb: Erikson's model applies across the life cycle, at least from infancy to late adulthood, rather than the mini-transitions Michael is describing. However, we can find some correspondences with the 7 internal monads themselves.)

OK, I'll break here before I descend too far into my Theory pole.

      B a r r y
___________________


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:12:02 EDT
Subject: Overleaves Questions

      I am in the middle of trying to understand the dynamics of my family's overleaves and I have a few questions. I am having a hard time understanding the primary centers. When one is in the intellectual part of the emtional center what does that mean? It sounds like they would be contradictory. I understand what moving, intellectual, and emotional mean individually but I have a hard time understanding them when they are used together. We all in this family seem to be in the moving part of the center except my daughter which I feel is part of the key to why I get this feeling she is somehow different/special.
      Also when someone is your task companion is it always mutual? Are you their task companion?
      And just one more. When you find out that either an essence twin or task companion has not been contacted does it mean that you have not communicated with them on a deeper level or at length or does it simply mean you have not met yet in this lifetime. Thanks

Shannon
4th level Old Scholar, Relaxation, Observation, Cynic, Intellectual part of the Moving Center, Stubborness, Martyrdom


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:41:12 -0600
Subject: RE: Humanity's Overleaves

Ed, most of the time I enjoy your armchair pontifications. But frankly, I think your response to what I see as Ted's sincere effort to get a collective overleaf picture for humanity was the cynical exercise, not Ted's. You state that if one blends all the overleaves you get an 8 or an at-one-ment of the blend, or average of 1 through 7. Excuse me, but what does that mean, anyway?

To me it sounds like a lot of hyperactive intellectual energy with nowhere to go that expelled itself too soon, without proper attention to a focus or an ultimately well-delineated objective. The end result is gibberish.

Gloria


Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:17:33 -0700
Subject: FWD: Re: michael book

Hi Thummim -- I'm forwarding your e-mail to the Michael teachings list, where I thought you were trying to send it (I hope.) :^)

You can get Michael books from most of the authors.

 

greetings...
i got a copy of the Michael Book way back. it was a very interesting material that i had to bring it in my travels.
unfortunately, i lost it in rome.
if someone could kindly help me where to get a copy?
i am happy to know that there is a group of people whom i can interact with regarding this matter.
with light and love to all, thummim

 

--
Lori Tostado


Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:11:38 +0800
Subject: Re: humanity's overleaves

Ed wrote on 12/6/98 3:23 pm:

 

>CF: a blend; self-dep, stubbornness, arrogance most common.

 

Of what little I learnt of US of A when I spent 4 yrs of my life, I though "Impatience" is among the most popular CF, especially in commercialised areas.

J J Tan

=====
Put aside your concerns.
Silent your mind.
Stop the world.


Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:44:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Humanity's Overleaves

Hello Philip,

 

| Howdy folks,
|
| I am not sure about humanity in general - since I have not met everyone
| and I am not a channel - but I have been using the Ouija board to get
| Overleaves on people since 1981.

 

I guess I would tend to disagree with you here. Just because you use a Ouija board to get information doesn't mean you're not a channel. Didn't "Jessica Lansing" use a board for her early channeling?

 

| It has been said that Servers are the most common Role. I have found
| that Artisans and Warriors seemed to be the most common Roles present in
| our society, so I just assumed these Roles would naturally prefer to
| incarnate in technologically advanced countries that have lots of
| business opportunities. I assumed the Servers would prefer to incarnate
| in countries like India and China where there is perhaps more emphasis
| on social life.

 

I think your assumptions are correct. I think I have seen words to that effect in some of the published literature.

Cheers,
Dick
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[2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]


Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:45:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Overleaves Questions

Hello Shannon,

 

| I am in the middle of trying to understand the dynamics of my family's
| overleaves and I have a few questions. I am having a hard time
| understanding the primary centers. When one is in the intellectual part
| of the emotional center what does that mean? It sounds like they would
| be contradictory. I understand what moving, intellectual, and emotional
| mean individually but I have a hard time understanding them when they
| are used together. We all in this family seem to be in the moving part
| of the center except my daughter which I feel is part of the key to why
| I get this feeling she is somehow different/special.

 

The "part" is a flavor or influence or modifier. Two of the ways to explain centering are -

1. You first do the primary then the part. I am intellectual/moving, so I first think about something then (hopefully!) act on the thought.

2. The part is described as a trap, whereby one gets trapped in the part and never gets to their 3rd center (emotional in my case).

I think both explanations are valid, and are not mutually exclusive. See references below.(§1)

 

| Also when someone is your task companion is it always mutual? Are you their task companion?

 

Yes.

 

| And just one more. When you find out that either an essence twin or
| task companion has not been contacted does it mean that you have not
| communicated with them on a deeper level or at length or does it simply
| mean you have not met yet in this lifetime.

 

No and yes. There is also the case where the ET or TC is discarnate; then the contact/influence/help tend to be more pronounced (than when incarnate but not met).

 

| Thanks
|
| Shannon
|
| 4th level Old Scholar, Relaxation, Observation, Cynic, Intellectual part
| of the Moving Center, Stubborness, Martyrdom

 

Here you describe yourself as Moving/Intellectual, but in -

 

/ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:59:09 EDT
/
/ Greetings!
/
/ I have been following this list for about 3 weeks now and have been mainly
/ lurking. I am 32 years old and picked up the Michael books when I was in my
/ early 20's. Although they gave me some answers in the beginning that I have
/ always been asking I really didnt start digging deeper into the "why, when,
/ where, what's" of who I am until I reached 30...
/
/ Shannon
/
/ 4th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Relaxation, Cynic,
/ Moving Part of Intellectual, Stubborness/Martyrdom

 

...you said Intellectual/Moving.

Cheers,
Dick
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[--------------------===============<*>===============--------------------]

§ 1 -

   All fragments have all centers operative within themselves, but
   there is a strong tendency for the personality to become fixed in
   one center. The center has a great deal to do with responses. It
   indicates from what part of yourself you will act. [M1.113]

   Most of you will combine two centers for your centering; such as you
   will be in the moving part of intellectual center, which means that
   your reaction to situations will be intellectual and you will be
   driven to do something about the thing you react to. [M1.114]

   Centering determines how a fragment reacts to situations and how
   that reaction is expressed. [M2.35]

   All fragments have all centers present within them, but habitually
   manifest in a certain way, due to being fixated in that centering,
   often the result of how the fragment was socialized as a young
   child, but occasionally the result of compensation. For example, a
   dyslexic child might become fixated in the moving center for the
   simple reasons that the intellectual center is the source of
   embarrassment and frustration because of what is basically a faulty
   wiring in the brain. [M2.36]

   [F]ragments are described as being in a particular part of a
   particular center. The second word identifies the actual centering;
   the first word indicates how it is expressed. For example, those in
   the moving part of intellectual center are those who must take
   action on the things they think about. On the other hand, those in
   the intellectual part of moving center have been described as those
   who "shoot first and ask questions later." If the fragment is in
   the emotional part of moving center, then it would feel about the
   shooting after it was done. [T]hose who are not intellectually
   centered, either primarily or secondarily, often have trouble
   expressing themselves in words, since words are the tools of the
   intellectual center. [M2.37]

   The part of our center indicates how we tend to express or
   articulate our response, or from where our next response tends to
   come. Although one part of our center usually predominates, we can
   use all the parts of our primary center to reach all the other centers. [JS1.281]

   The center itself is chosen by essence before the lifetime begins
   and is not subject to acculturation, although [it] may not [be
   chosen if essence] thinks that it won't be reinforced and developed
   in a particular culture. However, the part of center (which can
   become the "trap") is settled into after the lifetime begins and can
   be influenced by acculturation. [JS1.288]

---
M1 = »Messages From Michael« / Chelsea Quinn Yarbro
M2 = »More Messages From Michael« / Chelsea Quinn Yarbro (OOP)
JS1 = »The Journey of Your Soul« V1 / Shepherd Hoodwin

In marking quoted material, the marks »text« represent italics.
They will usually surround those portions containing the lesser
amount of material. Occasionally they will demark italicized
material within the quote.

The following table shows nominal markings for each source -

M1 = Edited Michael »Other«
M2 = Edited Michael »Other«
JS1 = Author »Edited Michael«

===


Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 20:35:02 -0700
Subject: Re: humanity's overleaves

Michael List Participants:

Ed wrote:

 

>Dear Ted -- Your choices seem to me to reflect a negative attitude toward the
>human race more than anything else. Are you cynic

 

Yes sometimes I am a cynic but most of the time, I default to skeptic.
As far as overleaves go, I don't agree with the idea that some overleaf sets or indiviudal overleaves are more positive than others. They all have negative and positive poles.
Server/idealist/acceptance/caution/emotionally centered/ is just as capable of being in the negative poles as a warrior/cynic/dominance/aggression.

Calling the set a collective of all incarnations is a mistake on my part.
What I am doing is describing the flavor, or character of humanity in terms of how it compares to other sentient races. Given the conditions of the planet and the nature of the social organization, division of labor, group lessons, habitual karmic patterns, and the Maya, how would Biped Terrans be described to lets say a group of Cadres shopping for a physical plane experience.

With that in mind, then we could possibly have 7 to the 7th power sentient gaming possibilities in the Universe. We could have a sentient race whose general characteristic could be something like this.

Vulcan:
Scholar/ Priest ET
Pragmatist
Intellectually Centered, Moving Part
Reservation
Discrimination
Saturn Body type (this would be the corresponding planet of the Vulcan's home world)
CF: Arrogance

Here we have a set that brings the particpant away from the emotional experience and into the intellectual. (think about somebody you might know with this set.)

A race similar to out own, the Klingons
Warrior/ King essence twin
Cynic
Agression
Dominance
Moving Center/Emotional Part
Martyrdom
Planetary equivlant to Venus

Or closer to home, our own "Greys"

Server/Scholar
Pragmatist
Observation
Submission
Instinctive center/ Intellectual part (is this possible?)
Planetary equivlant to lunar
CF: Stubborness

and one of my own past cycles, the Andromedans:

Artisan/Server
Acceptance
Realist
Power
Intellectual center/emotional part
Stubborness
Solar

Back to we Terrans

Role: Warrior (for our will to survive and our territoriality) Warrior Column
Essence Twin: Artisan (for our technology) Artisan Column
Mode: Perseverance (for the way we behave in our work) Warrior Mode
Goal: Dominance (for our delusion that we rule nature and our desire for the Great Ones) King Goal
Attitude: Skeptic (For curiosity) Artisan Column
Chief Feature: Self Destruction (what usually happens to most of what we do as a race) Artisan Chief Feature
Centering: Emotional/Moving Part (the experience we incarnate for)
Body Type: Solar

So what are the overleaves of the Artisan Essence Twin?

How About
Artisan (Warrior ET)
MOde: Passion
Goal: Acceptance
Attitude: Stoic
Center: Moving/ Emotional Part
Body Type: Jupiter
Chief Feature: Martrydom

As another afterthought the Essence twin might describe the Yin Characteristics and the Role might describe the Yang of this particular Sentient Learning Environment (SLE).

and one more....

What would this race look like?

Priest/Sage
Agression
Reevaluation
Spiritualist
Moving Center/ Emotional Part
Greed
Equivlant to Jupiter

The Blowvian race, M31, 4th sector, 29th outer ring, Star Cluster 1029, etc

Planetary conditions: Large artificial moon surrounding a giant gas planet in a binary star sytem, Red giant and white dwarf. Two species, a mineral eating bacteria and the Blowveans.

History: The Blowveans are exiles from a biologically diverse planet within the same star cluster.

Bodies: Metallic, 60% copper, 20% Silver, 10% Gold, 10% other: Bismuth, Polonimun, Platinum & Cesium. content varies for body types and overleaves. Overleaves are fixed within each body.
Average life span: About 35 seconds.
Average Number of lives per cycle: about 10,000
Cycle completion through 24 variations of realization of nothingness.
Passtime: Vibrating
Conflicts: Vibrating out of synch.
Reproduction - none. Fragments reuse limited supply of metallic bodies.
Bodies are maintained by original bioengineered bacteria which extract metals. Moon is slowly decaying.
No social organization. No spoken language.
Agression mode provides gives the vibration enough dynamic to move to next soul age/level.

Statement of Maya: "I believe I am"
Statement of Completion: "I am nothing"

Yours -- Ted


 


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