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Michael List Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:26:38 EDT Hello everyone! Dave and I did some viewpoint comparisons recently on an IM that I though I would put forward on the board to see if anyone would like to expand on. This is a long post and some of it walks over well traveled paths, but please hang with me to the end. Dave's stand, and I'm making this brief since we've heard about it extensively, is that the animal rights issue, in and of itself, causes such an impassioned response because everyone knows that it's a vile thing and because they don't stop participating, they live in guilt and justification which leads to a desire to avoid the subject. My view is that AR is just the tip of the iceburg. That when you hammer on that one subject you open up a vast pool of guilt or frustration that covers an entire littany of causes. Did you eat meat today? Did you recycle? Did you flush toxic chemicals down the sewer system? Did you drive a car today? Did you buy products from companies that pollute? Did you use pesticides on your lawn? and on and on and on. All violations; yep, somebody give me a citation for failing at good stewardship. AR can be the poster child of wrongs done by this society since you are dealing with a deliberate infliction of suffering by mammals on a vast scale (which is only half the issue -- if suffering weren't involved would it then be "ok" to eat meat?). I do not intend to trivialize that subject but it's far from the only thing in my life that causes me to pause and wonder about the things I do that I know I shouldn't. The response to this is "balance". It isn't good work to live with guilt. Many people posting on the AR issue have said as much. We do what we can -- but there is a level of frustration in attempting to do everything that leads to inertia and a conflict of integrity in only doing one thing, and not all things. Everyone on this board has an awareness level that is reaching beyond maya to differing extents. Everyone acknowledges the problems. Everyone is concerned or horrified about the direction of this planet. Dave sees it as a case of when we can all have compassion for animal rights we will be making strides against all the ills of the planet. I see it as a case of until we all learn to love ourselves and extend that love to everything around us, only then will we be making those same strides. Fragments who perceive themselves to be victims care little about the woes of others, let alone the planet and its animal life, and I put it to you that the sense of victimization is wholey pervasive through much of the population of this planet. It is a fabulous tool that false personality uses effectively. To a large extent, those of us in this teaching are attempting to leave the victim mentality behind, and not trade off maya laden guilts with new ones. The response to victimization is to do something about it. So, since this is Dave's passion I asked him what it was that he felt could be *done* about it. In response he listed the standard AR responses. That's fine and I think that there weren't any surprises there. What I was hoping for was that as a group, here within this teaching, we could actively combine our energy in a positive direction. How about a call for volunteers to do a group meditation with specific intent on a regular basis? How about making a date to hit a chat room together and actively state our intent as one? Here we are, all 300 of us, with the knowledge of the interconnectedness of all things. We have the M's who have explained the strength of numbers and cohesiveness. We do not have to be in the same room physically to reach out together and pull on the strings of the Tao in order to affect change. The internet has brought us together and we have not yet, except possibly in aiding Ken to manifest his cool piano, used the strength and connectedness we have gathered together. How many of us have agreements to be here and do to this kind of thing? IMO, this is what being a part of a student association would include. Thanks for listening. Kath. Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:23:48 -0700
| From: Kath
Interesting observation. I agree, but hadn't thought of it like that.
| [I]t's very hard to pick understanding and caring out of black and white print somtimes.
Indeed. Cheers, Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:25:00 -0700
| From: Mixchel
As I mentioned in (1998-22/2095) - I suggest you point your browser at Lori's site where you will find This site is quite comprehensive IMO, and from it (and on it) you can find almost anything you want in the way of Michael stuff. Cheers, Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:25:57 -0700 Hello Morgan,
| The Michael teachings are still very new to me, so be patient all you
I'll "wing" this based on recollection and logic. Internal organs notwithstanding, the human brain is what enables us to hold sentience. Therefore, even though twins are conjoined in some manner, there are two separate essences involved. So of course there are two sets of overleaves and everything else that goes with a fragment. Two essences/fragments, two sparks. Probably often, however, they are Essence Twins. Cheers, Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:15:24 -0400 I am told that sometimes dreams are a way for us to continue work on subconscious issues and healing. Sometimes we have issues which have traveled with us from past lives. As such, sometimes we would be replaying events which have occured in those lives. There is another piece to this though. Sometimes in our dream state we are actually visiting ourselves as we are in another dimension. I have a friend who channels a guide named Serapis who tells us that at any given time, we might actually have twelve simultaneous lives in different realms or dimensions. These are all interesting questions and I'm glad to have the opportunity to respond. Love and light. Lyanka. Tamela M. H., Ph.D.
> From: Kath
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:12:57 EDT
Internal organs notwithstanding, the human brain is what enables us to
I have thought about this before as there have been many documentories on
this topic. And I can't help but think in some cases there is a karmic ribbon to
burn. Especially when one twin is less than healthy or when one twin is the
dominant one. Sometimes vital organs are shared and they cannot sustain two
bodies. Then the decision must be made by parents and medical personnel whether
to intervene or not intervene. I have also noticed that many conjoined twins
occur in countries that do not have the most up to date medical services. (or is
this a misconception by the media?) And I wonder if there is a reason they want
to be born in that area of the world. Many times I am awed by the karmic
situation that exists with conjoined twins and that it is so obvious. I am also
awed at how different the perception of ones body is before during and after the
separation. Can you imagine someone cutting half your body off, laying it on the
gurnee next to you and telling you that it is for the best? Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 21:52:03 UT (oops, somehow sent this to Dave instead of the list) Caris - Thanks for your story and the point about about loving, so dearly, the very things we kill to keep ourselves alive. This planet is so beautiful and I love it and the creatures on it so much that it makes me ache - and yet I can't stand apart and say I'm not part of the problem, or that humans are not also creatures of the earth. Thomas Moore says that when we have two ideas that are irreconciliable, the answer is not to pick one or the other, but to keep them both in tension. It is in that tension that our souls exist. ----<-{@ Jody Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 23:13:59 UT Hi everyone again, Kathy and I have exchanged a couple of emails on the issue of my reaction to Jeanne's "adieu" post. Here's a snip from what I said to her:
I've been flamed several times on this board, and I take it as a learning
Kathy has pointed out that I might be a bit over-reactive and defensive, and that Jeanne has other issues going on that are coloring things for her. I am willing to believe that she is right. So I am going to accept some responsibility here for, as Ken would say, pushing my own buttons in response to Jeanne's post. Next time I get angry, I'm going to wait a day before I respond. I've also gotten feedback that I can come across as judgmental in my posts. I don't mean to. Will work on that. Perhaps I need to invent a new acronym, like "LIJTAHDTIS" ("Look, I'm just thinking aloud here, don't take it seriously"). -----,-{@ Jody Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 21:49:05 -0700 Dear Participants Manifesting Request: Please read the following at least once, but more than once magnifies they thoughtform. Ted Fontaine will begin the 1998-1999 school year ADDING two more semesters
of photography to his present work load. See him standing in front of a class of
students. The room has long tables, a long sink, photographs on the wall, a
chalk board, a large video screen, one wall with windows, file cabinets with
photo books on top. The students are between the ages 14 & 18. Thankyou Yours -- Ted Artisan, Scholar Essence twin, Skeptic, Observation Mode, Growth, Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:47:21 -0700 (PDT)
Well, since nobody wants to answer the question of a newcomer, I'll risk
Thanks Dave, you are a brave soul.
<< me a lizard......no really he did! >>
Greenish...No teeth. The one with the teeth brings the cat in.
<< Cetaeceans, the other ensouled species on this planet, also eat meat
Yo Dave. I got that, and if you had read further you would have seen that I agree & I also mentioned that if we choose to eat animals we need to raise them in a more humane fashion and I very much look forward to the day when we don't need meat protein at all.
<< And just where do fish fit into the meat eating issue anyway? >>
Better with macadamia nut lemon butter sauce, but maybe we're pushing the "silliness envelope" here, so never mind about "fish rights".
Though, I know commercial fishing has been no party for seals in the past. Seals
Agreed. Seals (& dolphins who get caught up in nets) unfortunately pay the price for simply being an animal acting on their own survival instincts, feeding on the fish that other fish eaters want. Commercial fishing does way too much damage to all life forms in the sea. Hopefully, that will change someday soon. But Dave, what about the Siamese twins? Aloha, Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 03:06:02 -0700 Hi Victoria,
| Hi everyone,
In the article "The Third Internal Monad: Independence of Spirit" are the poles for the 3rd Internal Monad: +Independence, -Separation. This is the first documentation I have seen for Internal Monad poles. Can you advise what the poles are for the other 6 Internal Monads? Thanks, Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:00:21 -0400 FACTOID / QUOTE OF THE DAY Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first. --Ernestine Ulmer -- Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:20:06 -0400 Jody wrote:
> I've been flamed several times on this board, and I take it as a learning
Good for you, Jody.
> << I'm just a little pissed at the moment. Being told "I love you but I can't
Good for you, again, Jody. A lot of us on the internet have learned to "wait a day" before posting an emotional reaction post. There's even an IBM Thinkpad commercial where a man and a woman end up looking for the "unsend" button.
> I've also gotten feedback that I can come across as judgmental in my posts. I
Good for you three times, Jody. It seems as though emails are just as much a mirror of ourselves as is face time. Maybe even more since we humans tend to say things via email that we would not say face to face. Hmmm? Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:15:30 EDT In a message dated 6/9/98 12:49:51 AM, Ted wrote:
>Please read the following at least once, but more than once magnifies
Ted, I am visualizing this as I type!! It sounds like you attract the
same things in your students that I attract in my children. And since we are
manifesting, I will describe the visualizing I have been doing and will continue
to do. Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:02:53 -0400 Dear Shannon (and other Michael Listers) Just a couple of suggestions on manifesting ... if you care to partake. (a) When manifesting for yourself, instead of "seeing" yourself doing stuff it's much more powerful to "be" yourself doing what ever it is. "I am packing up my family's belongings, etc..." is much more powerful and efficient than "I can see Shannon packing ..." "Being yourself doing..." is much more powerful than "seeing yourself doing...". (b) See and word your visions as already done. "Shannon's husband has accepted..." is much more powerful than "Shannon's husband is going to accept..." It is my experience that the universe is extremely literal. "Is going to" is always in the future. Also "has come" is much more powerful than "WILL come..." Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:20:12 EDT Can anyone suggest some good books that discuss overleaves? I would
like something a little more in depth than the Yarbro books but still written
for a beginner. Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:00:09 +0000 Dear all, This is slightly off topic. As many of you know, I live in the wonderful city of Bath in England, one of the world’s eight Heritage Cities, and the UK’s second most visited city (after London). My wife Emma and I are going on a retreat (an Enlightenment Intensive) for 6 weeks in July/August/September. During that time, our house will be available for low holiday rent, if any of you want to stay for a visit. (We prefer to let it out to people we know, however indirectly). Scholars note: we have about 1,000 books on mind/body/spirit. Bath is 20 miles from Bristol, <1 hr from Stonehenge, 1 and a half hrs from London. The city was built by the Romans around the UK’s only hot spring, and rebuilt by the Georgians (Jane Austen era). Our house is a Victorian mid-terrace house with 2 main bedrooms, sleeps 2-5, on a hillslope with wonderful views over the city, 10 mins walk from the centre. B A R R Y Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:43:54 -0400 Hey, Ted, Is 36 too old for your class? It sounds fun....yes yes I know you were specific 14-18 yr olds....next lifetime maybe Namaste', PS: My thanks to everyone who responded to the Michael websites info request Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:47:27 EDT Lori's site is back up!!!!!! Yipee!!!!! Hahaha!!! Oh, joy....Oh, rapture.... So who agrees that Lori's website is a higher center experience? Who just agrees? Dave - Happy days are here again. Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 23:27:34 UT Dave - I completely agree! You are so entirely right! I'm in awe of your wisdom and ability to cut to the heart of the issue! Even your spelling is right. -----<-{@ Jody Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:50:07 -0700 Hmmm. My dictionary spells it "lobotomy". Cheers, Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 00:34:34 UT I guess the sarcasm didn't come through in the email. ----<-{@ Jody Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:23:00 EDT The list wishes to recognize that Dick and Jody have demonstrated a superior performance in the spelling of the word, "lobotomy." {Loud applause} Dave Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 02:02:34 EDT In a message dated 98-06-09 17:21:22 EDT, Shannon writes:
Can anyone suggest some good books that discuss overleaves? I would like
Hi Shannon....you might look for either Joya Pope's "The World According to Michael," or Jose Stevens "The Michael Handbook." And then for something with a little more meat on it, try Shepherd Hoodwin's "The Journey of Your Soul." I believe all of these books can be found at Barnes & Noble online, but if not, go to the aforementioned web site of Lori Tostado, and peruse for the link that'll take you directly to the author's sites. Happy reading. :-) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 23:30:16 UT Ted's students say: "This is the best class I ever had." "Mr. Fontaine is a cool dude." "Hey man, you like photography? You should take this class." "No, I don't wanna skip today, I've got my photography class." ----<-{@ Jody Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:31:59 -0400 Hi everyone, It's been awhile recovering, but I think I'm back on track. If you'd like to hop on over to the Web Site here are the basic updates you can look forward to: *Ask Michael: new information about "octave endings/beginnings" (if any other channel has gotten information about this, please let me know...) *Michael's View: an excerpt from a private session recently that delineates the process of any Internal Monad, specifically the FOURTH. (Since I am the little one out here all alone in the EAST, I would love any feedback about this from other professional channels. I don't really get to cross-reference that much, but I know someone must have gotten loads of info before about this. Let me know if it is in harmony or is drastically violating the previous info.) *Win a FREE SESSION! Yep, that's right, fill out the feedback form, and be eligible for random selection monthly (you need only fill it out once to be included indefinitely). First drawing June 30! I think that's about it... I hope this doesn't interrupt any discussion threads because I haven't read my "michael list" in a while. Oh, by the way... can someone tell me how to actually post correctly. The only way I know is through this email address which shows up later in the "digest", but it looks like a few of you actually respond to each other before the digest is sent out; almost in "real time". HELP! thanks! Otterly Blue Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:46:31 -0700 Hi Everyone -- I'm back!! And I have tons of e-mails to sort through. Tons! I honestly thought I'd have better access to my e-mail while I was gone but it didn't turn out that way, so I'm sorry I haven't replied yet to those of you who wrote me or posted things on the list, but I'll get to it all soon. Right now I'm jet-lagged out of my mind though.
> Lori's site is back up!!!!!!
Yep it's back up, and thank you Dave for the encouragement! But I am beginning to wonder about your priorities though, LOL!
> So who agrees that Lori's website is a higher center experience?
Or maybe a bottle in front of you, hmmm..... No really, thanks, you're very funny--as usual. I'll send you some pic's to drool on. ;-p <psyche!>
> Who just agrees?
:^) I have a lot to catch up on here....Like, 9 time zones and some strange sense of humor..... Love, Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:41:54 EDT Well put Ken. I would like to add, that even the emotion of "wanting" reads
as strong as the thought of "wanting", connecting with the emotional context of
"being" seems to be as important as the thought. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:02:10 +0800 Kenneth Broom wrote on 9/6/98 12:19 pm:
> It seems as though emails are just as much a mirror of
And vice versa. :-) (sorry for a one-liner. There,lnow there are 2 lines.) J J Tan ===== Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 12:42:47 -0700 Interested folks I have been playing with what the overleaves of the human race are and so far I have arrived at the following: Role: Warrior (for our will to survive and our territoriality) Humanity's overleaves would be a description of the human collective. What would the overleaves be if all the past present and future incarnations of all fragments were in one being. I invite any inclusions or alternatives to this set. Any questions or constructive comments are appreciated. Yours -- Ted Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:29:17 EDT Dear Ted -- Your choices seem to me to reflect a negative attitude toward the human race more than anything else. Are you cynic? As to collective overleaves, this idea seems to me to be like the rainbow colors blending into white light. If all the past, present and future lives were blended or averaged, what we get is what I call #8, the blending of all of 1 through 7's. #8 is a unity or unification or at-one-ment of all the 1 through 7 characteristics. All the best, Ed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:57:11 -0400 Ted, Very interesting. If Humankind is collectively the Warrior with the overleaves you have described, I wonder if other sentient collectives could possible embody one particular set of overleaves. If so, and if we are one of the Warrior "races", it might certainly bode well for future space exploration for us ... and not so well for others. (Unless, of course, we stay in protection. And we should really do all we can to get rid of that self-destructive feature, or we could take everyone with us ... which would, of course, be a valid choice, but not one that I'm partial to.) Hmmm. I have a million questions rolling through my head now. Got to polish my spear! Gina Mnemosyne - the Greek Goddess of Memory - as in, what was I supposed to be doing this life, and where did I put my car keys? Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:44:03 EDT Ted, I think you have well-captured the overleaves for Western society at this point in time. The picture might be different at different times or places, of course. I am not so sure we all average out to the white light blending of the color spectrum. Perhaps we are just one color, blending in with other colors from other planets (or parallels, or universes) that, all combined, make up a white light. Reportedly, we are souls combined with the simian animal. That's an agressive animal, and it has to show up in our behavior. Not all souls everywhere are combined with the same animals, so their behavior will be different than ours. The warrior overleaf, for example, does not spring to mind when thinking about whales. Our planetary overleaves might sound like that long chord at the end of the Beatles 'A Day in the Life.' This is an interesting topic, I'm glad you brought it up. --John C Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:02:52 EDT I have a question. When we, as individuals or as a planet, come to a major choice point, do have to start a parallel for each possible choice? Do all the possibilities have to be explored? Do all the experiences have to be lived? Or can some just be ignored? Could it be that if we have had similar experiences in the past we can skip that experience now, having already explored it? Or, would be required to experience it again at our newer, more developed, level? If we begin to be able to skip experiences that we have preveiously explored, would it follow that as we become older souls we create fewer parallels, and live our lives closer to right down the middle. Another possibility is that the opposite of that could be true. Maybe much of what our lives are about is increasing our ability to choose. Maybe we build up our choice muscles as we get older, and start flexing them, creating many many parallels. Speculatin', Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:23:48 EDT If we limit ourselves to collective mass conscious cultural overleaves of the western world (and I don't think we have much business presuming to judge these things for China, India, and "third world" places) I would see: Role: none, all are present in the usual proportions. But in a sense, the
role of the US as a nation with a "special mission" gives us Americans (and
Canadians and other English speakers have some of it, too) an unusual imprinting
of sage and priest attributes or attitudes with respect to the world we are
"supposed to be leading". All the best, Ed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:48:08 +0800 ted fontaine wrote on 11/6/98 7:41 pm:
>Interested folks
<insightful info snipped>
>Humanity's overleaves would be a description of the human collective.
I disagree on the "all the past present and future" part. Human average soul age changes (evolves), cultural imprintments (& overleaves) differs and change. I should prefer an "average" overleaves for the whole of humanity, at present.
>I invite any inclusions or alternatives to this set. Any questions or
J J Tan ===== Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:15:06 -0500 Howdy folks, I am not sure about humanity in general - since I have not met everyone and I am not a channel - but I have been using the Ouija board to get Overleaves on people since 1981. I have charted many hundreds of people and there are indeed more "popular" Overleaves. It has been many years since I added them up, but if I recall correctly the most and second most common Overleaves are: Acceptance and Growth, Caution and Power, Idealist and Pragmatist, Intellectual and Emotional, Greed and Arrogance. I realize this differs from the experience of others, and from what Michael channels have said. (I think Shepherd and JP both have said things about popularity of Overleaves.) I admit my sample was not scientifically unbiased since I usually chart people who interest me in some way - likely because they have Overleaves compatible with mine. It has been said that Servers are the most common Role. I have found that Artisans and Warriors seemed to be the most common Roles present in our society, so I just assumed these Roles would naturally prefer to incarnate in technologically advanced countries that have lots of business opportunities. I assumed the Servers would prefer to incarnate in countries like India and China where there is perhaps more emphasis on social life. I have no insights on whether or not Humanity or Gaia have a bias toward particular Overleaves. Phil Wittmeyer Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:00:01 +0000 Regarding the stages of the 4th internal monad, I'd offer the following observations. Bear in mind I'm an Idealist -- I tend to put ideas together rather than take them apart. Skeptics will probably see things differently. In Otterly's channelling, the sequence of stages, which applies to any monad transition, or indeed "to the process of any passage, challenge, or progress", is described as follows:
Compare this with the number-values given in Yarbo:
Notice that this list only gives poles, not generic terms. I wonder if here we have two representations of the same thing: process and state. Otterly's list seems to describe the *subjective* shifts required at each stage (eg, at stage 1 you go through either enthusiasm or indifference, which leads to either awareness or brooding respectively). For example, in the positive poles: Whereas in the negative poles: I'd query the word "Purpose" popping up in two different senses. Interestingly, there is little correspondence in either case with the "septant process" of growth given by Jose Stevens: 1. Growth This, however, may apply specifically to the development of a new structure (eg, a business partnership), rather than the transition of a natural process. There's one way in which Otterly's list differes significantly from what we've come to expect through Yarbro, and that's in terms of centers. Ordinarily we'd expect any sequence of 7 to proceed as follows:
Otterly's list of monad stages, however, proceeds as follows:
As a Scholar, I'm used to seeing the instinctive center in the balance point, 4, so this arrangement is intriguing. Actually, it makes some sense to me that the instinctive center could be the first to kick in, helping us to find our feet (establish trust) before we work out our role within the "new game" (establish authority). Think of Infant souls (1=instinctive/trust) and Baby souls (2=emotional/authority). The "focus" terms are interesting. We are used to seeing love, truth and beauty/energy associated with the higher centers, but the terms associated with the other centers -- trust, authority, responsibility and purpose [that word again!] -- are new to me. What's also interesting for me is that there are some intriguing correspondences with developmental psychology, in the model of Erik Erikson: Stage (crisis)...................quality evoked (Nb: Erikson's model applies across the life cycle, at least from infancy to late adulthood, rather than the mini-transitions Michael is describing. However, we can find some correspondences with the 7 internal monads themselves.) OK, I'll break here before I descend too far into my Theory pole. B a r r y Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:12:02 EDT I am in the middle of trying to understand the dynamics of my family's
overleaves and I have a few questions. I am having a hard time understanding the
primary centers. When one is in the intellectual part of the emtional center
what does that mean? It sounds like they would be contradictory. I understand
what moving, intellectual, and emotional mean individually but I have a hard
time understanding them when they are used together. We all in this family seem
to be in the moving part of the center except my daughter which I feel is part
of the key to why I get this feeling she is somehow different/special. Shannon Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:41:12 -0600 Ed, most of the time I enjoy your armchair pontifications. But frankly, I think your response to what I see as Ted's sincere effort to get a collective overleaf picture for humanity was the cynical exercise, not Ted's. You state that if one blends all the overleaves you get an 8 or an at-one-ment of the blend, or average of 1 through 7. Excuse me, but what does that mean, anyway? To me it sounds like a lot of hyperactive intellectual energy with nowhere to go that expelled itself too soon, without proper attention to a focus or an ultimately well-delineated objective. The end result is gibberish. Gloria Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:17:33 -0700 Hi Thummim -- I'm forwarding your e-mail to the Michael teachings list, where I thought you were trying to send it (I hope.) :^) You can get Michael books from most of the authors.
greetings...
-- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:11:38 +0800 Ed wrote on 12/6/98 3:23 pm:
>CF: a blend; self-dep, stubbornness, arrogance most common.
Of what little I learnt of US of A when I spent 4 yrs of my life, I though "Impatience" is among the most popular CF, especially in commercialised areas. J J Tan ===== Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:44:47 -0700 Hello Philip,
| Howdy folks,
I guess I would tend to disagree with you here. Just because you use a Ouija board to get information doesn't mean you're not a channel. Didn't "Jessica Lansing" use a board for her early channeling?
| It has been said that Servers are the most common Role. I have found
I think your assumptions are correct. I think I have seen words to that effect in some of the published literature. Cheers, Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:45:16 -0700 Hello Shannon,
| I am in the middle of trying to understand the dynamics of my family's
The "part" is a flavor or influence or modifier. Two of the ways to explain centering are - 1. You first do the primary then the part. I am intellectual/moving, so I first think about something then (hopefully!) act on the thought. 2. The part is described as a trap, whereby one gets trapped in the part and never gets to their 3rd center (emotional in my case). I think both explanations are valid, and are not mutually exclusive. See references below.(§1)
| Also when someone is your task companion is it always mutual? Are you their task companion?
Yes.
| And just one more. When you find out that either an essence twin or
No and yes. There is also the case where the ET or TC is discarnate; then the contact/influence/help tend to be more pronounced (than when incarnate but not met).
| Thanks
Here you describe yourself as Moving/Intellectual, but in -
/ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:59:09 EDT
...you said Intellectual/Moving. Cheers, [--------------------===============<*>===============--------------------] § 1 - --- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 20:35:02 -0700 Michael List Participants: Ed wrote:
>Dear Ted -- Your choices seem to me to reflect a negative attitude toward the
Yes sometimes I am a cynic but most of the time, I default to skeptic. Calling the set a collective of all incarnations is a mistake on my part. With that in mind, then we could possibly have 7 to the 7th power sentient gaming possibilities in the Universe. We could have a sentient race whose general characteristic could be something like this. Vulcan: Here we have a set that brings the particpant away from the emotional experience and into the intellectual. (think about somebody you might know with this set.) A race similar to out own, the Klingons Or closer to home, our own "Greys" Server/Scholar and one of my own past cycles, the Andromedans: Artisan/Server Back to we Terrans Role: Warrior (for our will to survive and our territoriality) Warrior Column
So what are the overleaves of the Artisan Essence Twin? How About As another afterthought the Essence twin might describe the Yin Characteristics and the Role might describe the Yang of this particular Sentient Learning Environment (SLE). and one more.... What would this race look like? Priest/Sage The Blowvian race, M31, 4th sector, 29th outer ring, Star Cluster 1029, etc Planetary conditions: Large artificial moon surrounding a giant gas planet in a binary star sytem, Red giant and white dwarf. Two species, a mineral eating bacteria and the Blowveans. History: The Blowveans are exiles from a biologically diverse planet within the same star cluster. Bodies: Metallic, 60% copper, 20% Silver, 10% Gold, 10% other: Bismuth,
Polonimun, Platinum & Cesium. content varies for body types and overleaves.
Overleaves are fixed within each body. Statement of Maya: "I believe I am" Yours -- Ted
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