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1998 - Week 20


SUMMARY:  Another year begins on the list.
Dualism and inputs are discussed. Especially how inputs might influence musical composition. 


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Subject: Re: FACTOID / QUOTE OF THE DAY (1998-19/1892)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 03:28:27 -0700

| Archive of Michael Teachings List (1998-19/1892)
| Week 1998-19: Message #1892 From: Kenneth Broom <kenbroom@earthling.net>
| Subject: FACTOID / QUOTE OF THE DAY
| Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 07:47:57 -0400
|
| An orchestra was going to broadcast some jazz live onto the net from a
| small room but discovered it didn't have enough band width.
|
| Ar, ar, ar, ar!


Heh!  That sounds like the group Null & Void.  I was all set to go to one
of their concerts, but they cancelled at the last minute. :^)

Cheers,
Dick   [http://www.wco.com/~rwh/home.html]
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Subject: Re: Quinns overleaves (1998-19/1895)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 03:28:47 -0700


| Week 1998-19: Message #1895 From: Raveness
| Subject: Quinns overleaves
| Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:15:03 EDT

| Quinn is quite careful about revealing her overleaves, but I will say she
| is a 3rd level old warrior in entity one of cadre one (along with me and
| Sarah Chambers among others)

Who are those others?  Find out at my site!

Corrections?  Changes?  Please let me know (some of you have, and I
appreciate it).  Also the AOL List issue gets updated from time to time,
and a new one went up a few days ago.

Cheers,
Dick   [http://www.wco.com/~rwh/home.html]
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Subject: Re: Yarbro's Overleaves (1998-19/1898)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 03:29:03 -0700


| Subject: Yarbro's Overleaves
| Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:06:28 -0500

| It's time to leave Yarbro's "Michael" tag (and its attendent litigation)
| behind.  It never was a good choice to describe a causal plane entity.
| Granted, it will cause confusion, but it's not like there's so many of
| us that the word won't get around.
|
| Might be the best thing for the work.
|
| Kathryn Neall
|


Interesting idea, one I hadn't thought of...

Cheers,
Dick 

 

Subject: Re: RE: Allergies and healing
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:31:19 -0500

Jody wrote:

----------
>
> >
> I recently went to a Myss-trained intuitive in my area (on Michael's
advice)
> and have had complete resolution of symptoms that were caused by a
psychic
> wound I'd received.


What is a "psychic wound"?  How would you know if you had one?  Does this
woman say why we attract these things to ourselves (other than an attempt
to reap coinage in the form of pity from others and self-pity)?  I have
never accepted (long term) any illness.  I understand where it comes from and I
don't have "Time" to be ill.  But occasionally when something pops out from
nowhere (never had it, not familiar with it), it can be really hard to
"dump". And I do recall the MIchaels saying somewhere that sometimes as you age the body begins to have problems.  Being "sick" destroys the pattern of the
life's work, because it sets up detours and roadblocks.   One has to change
mental attitudes and belief systems to get back to "beingness".  That is
not always easy to do, no matter how positive one is mentally.  I can mentally
say this does not hurt, this is not real, and at the same time there is a
dreadful throbbing in the body and the physical part of me is saying "Oh yeah, wanna bet."   But I don't understand what a psychic wound is.  Could someone
clarify it please.  Thank you.

The intuitive was able to describe the circumstances of
> the wounding exactly, even though I told her nothing (at her request)
before
> she scanned me, impressing this pragmatic Capricorn greatly.
>


And I would also second Shepherd's request.  Are there practicioners around
the country who deal with these things?  Thanks.

Jeanne

 



Subject: Third Level What?
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:35:16 -0500

I must be feeling better, because I find it hard, in my personal
opinion, to believe that anyone who would withhold this mid-
causal entity's information after publishing 4 books about it,
from other students who have agreements with the entity to
be students, could possibly be an Old Soul.  To threaten others
with litigation is something I see Young and Mature Souls doing
all of the time, but unless there is some heavy karma going on
why on earth would ANY Old Soul want to bring more of the same
down on himself/herself?  Doesn't make sense. 

It is absolutely immaterial to me what Ms. Yarbro's overleaves are.
I was and am grateful that she wrote the books, regardless of the
amount of poetic license she took with the material.  I can find out
for myself  what I personally need to learn from the M's and validate
it for myself.  

I could understand Jane Roberts copyrighting the "Seth" material
because at the time she was the only one channeling Seth.  But
how do you copyright all of the material that is constantly coming
through the M's?  The material belongs to the Universe in my
opinion and I would not incur the kind of karma one would be making
by attempting to withhold any of it.  Again, this is my opinion and I
do not require anyone else's approval or agreement.  I just find it
very sad that there are so many out there who would try to grab it
and say mine.  YOUNG SOUL BEHAVIOR, or maybe Mature with
bad overleaves and the need for more Karmic experiences.

And I think we should also approach the M's and find a new "title"
for these studies, from this Entity.  Good idea Kathy.


Love and troubled laughter,

Jeanne H.

5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination;
Passion;  Pragmatist;  Self-Dep/Arrogance/
Intellectual Center, moving part


 

Subject: Yarbro
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:50:47 -0500

>>>>  Quinn has experienced alot of external pressures since the writing of
the books, including being threatened by fundamentalists on several
different occasions. she has reasons to be careful, having written the
books 25 years ago and on the cutting edge of getting this kind of
information out to the world.>>>>>>


That risk is as real for anyone on this list and anyone involved in "new
age" work, particularly as we reach the hysteria point of 12/31/99.  If
you publish this kind of info, if you put your name out in the
marketplace, surely you understand that risk and in Yarbro's case, not
once, but four times. 

>>> She also is a respected science fiction/horror writer,>>>>>

Absolutely, went on a Yarbro binge myself in the 80's. Love that stuff.

>>> and often others in that field look down on what they perceive as being
'New Age',>>


Disagree with that.  Most SF/Fantasy writers are very aware of 'new age'
philosophies and, while they may not ascribe openly to them, are pretty
well up on what's going on in order to incorporate the information into
what they write.

Now, if you've got highbrow literary ambitions, that crowd might do some
looking down but that snobbishness applies to SF as well.  Why that
would bother an old soul, I'm not sure.

>>and so she chose to remain quiet about her Michael work. >>>

"All choices are valid."

>> Many people in the original groups prefer, their choice, to keep their
identities anonymous, and so Quinn respected that as well.>>>


So what's the point?  She published, she didn't use a pseudonym. Who
gets the royalties? Generally you have to protect the identities of
individuals in cases like this.

>>>I am very glad that other original channels, like Sarah Chambers are now
more available for outside contact. >>>


Thank god for that.  When you put forth information that is a teaching
and then fail to teach, or provide teaching, it becomes a dead thing.
Nice for you, that you've had Yarbro there to check on your overleaves.
Nice that some of the California students had the original private
groups available.

Much nicer for the rest of us that some channels took up the challenge
and stood out in the open so that we could all benefit.  Nice that they
daily have the guts to face, not only the dangerous personal aspects of
the work, but potential litigation as well, and correct me if I'm wrong,
but is anyone getting rich off of this work?  Looks like a labor of love
and subsistence to me.

In a very real way, it's the partly the efforts of the current students and
channels that keeps Yarbro's work in demand.  How many of us have
grabbed someone and said "hey, read MFM, see if it validates for you!"

Don't get me wrong.  I've no grudge against Yarbro.  She facilitated
work that has certainly changed my life for the better.  I will always
acknowledge that and be grateful.  AT THE SAME TIME, we need to accept
that she is unwilling to interactively support the WORK on the large
scale (or even other channels on the small scale), and as students we
need to move on.  In whatever way "moving on" needs to be.

I know I have. 

Kathryn N.
An old sage in growth as a realist.


 


Subject: Re:  Yarbro
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:39:41 -0400

Can anyone explain what "Yarbro's 'Michael' tag and it's attendant
litigation" is?  I have just started rereading the original book, "Messages
From Michael".  Also, some have mentioned discrepancies or embellishments in
her work.  What are they in general?
I am,
in the negative pole of my goal, confused.......
Sharon
 


Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:45:39 EDT
Subject: Psychic wounds

Dear Jeanne -- What Carolyn Myss calls psychic wounds are a phenomenon that
spiritual healers commonly encounter.

My "take" on it is this, that in the etheric part of the physical body, that
is, the aura and chakra system -- which is in a different level of the
physical plane than what we usually see and work with, and which is like a
template on which the physical body is created -- sometimes there are various
kinds of residual traces from traumas of the past, this life or past
lifetimes, which haven't been healed and integrated by the person.

This will often cause the person to have a physical condition develop in that
part of the body which doesn't respond well to physical treatments and keeps
coming back. Sometimes there's nothing visibly wrong in a physical exam.  It
doesn't respond because in the etheric level the person is creating that there
is something wrong in that body area because the person creating is not all
there, whole; he/she is like a soldier in shock with limbs blown off and stuck
in that condition.  A spiritual healer, working with the person's essence,
gets the person to see what the old experience was and to let it go. Actually
the  part of the person that was traumatized is healed and rejoins the rest of
the consciousness.

I don't know that this account jives very well with the Michael teachings,
especially as to the various planes and what parts of essence and personality
do what -- maybe someone can add to this?

Barbara Brennan's two books give an excellent overview to all this.  Often
bobyworkers just by touching a spot on the body can trigger and release these
"wounds".

In another sense, and I think Carolyn Myss also goes into this, there are
"wounds" in the sense of old abuse patterns, in the sense of interpersonal
karma and lessons about specific situations which are intensely bearing on a
person's life.  These also are something that the person is carrying around,
and which make the person feel less whole and free than ideal.  But I don't
believe they are in the physical etheric plane aura system. Their primary
level of power doesn't come from actual physical trauma; they are based on a
higher level and probably have both astral (emotional) and causal (decisional)
components.  In this case, for healing to occur the person has to feel and
release emotions and also see, understand and let go the whole complex back
and forth of the karmas and lessons.  (This is not usually a  piece of cake.)
A vital point often overlooked is that we have usually been a perpetrator as
often as the victim and we need to see and let go of both sides in balance.  A
person who gets therapy or clearing only on the victim side will be very
unhappy (probably believing he or she is a victimized martyr in life)  unless
the other side is done as well. 

Good healers work essence to essence with the client and sometimes with guides
and non-physical experts and they work with whatever comes up, which will be
what the client really needs to clear the most.

Hope this helps as a starter. Maybe someone else can connect it better with
Michael.

All the best, Ed Hamerstrom


 


Subject: Re: Psychic wounds
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:34:35 -0500

Thanks Ed.  I don't think I have any obvious psychic wounds.  Kathy Neall
got me some good info from the Edgar Cayce folks.  After the trip to
Ft. Worth I went through some real ups and downs and CNF battles.  Caris
told me that that sometimes happens with Essence Recognition.  I feel
that the stress I put myself through was the cause of the outbreak of
Shingles.  I am going to print out this information and keep it though.  A
little more education and facts for assimilation.

Thanks so much.

Jeanne H


 


Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:19:08 EDT
Subject: Synchronicity and "Why People Don't Heal" by Carolyn ...

Dear Ken -- About the energy feelings with synchronicity....I get that
sometimes in real life (wish it were more often) but very often when I read
about someone else's neat synchronicity experience.  I don't get the physical
part so strongly, but I get huge surges of emotion, or maybe it is higher
emotion?  I get the very same strong high emotional feeling often after I have
helped someone somehow and later on my mind is replaying what happened.

Your curiosity got me thinking about what it is.  I speculate that it in some
way it is related to kundalini, and also that in some way it is a brief
turning on of some part of the brain wiring that usually is shut down.  No
doubt the energy is so strong that it would burn us out quickly if we had that
"circuitry" going regularly.

Whatever it is, it seems to get a kick from the degree of unusualness (rarity)
in combination with good high light vibration, as if it is a direct message
that heaven on earth IS real since the old usual regular dull 3D laws don't
always have effect...

All the best, Ed

 


Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:56:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Yarbro (various)

Dear Jeanne -- If things ever get dull, can you give me a rundown on how you
do "troubled laughter"?

Sharon -- Michael "tags" - don't know what you're referrring to.

Yarbro and litigation.....treading discreetly here: one very fine and devoted
student compiled all of Michael's quotations in the first three Yarbro books
and organized them into subjects.  I think his name should be kept private on
this list until/unless he posts something here about it publicly. (I don't
know whether he is on this list.) The work, if it could be published, would be
enormously popular and useful for anyone who read the original books. It was
done with great care and love and is a superb product.  The person who did
this work recognized Yarbro's copyrights, was not driven by money motivation
or need, and simply offered to make his work available at cost, privately, to
Michael students.  Yarbro heard about this and sent the message to cease and
desist or she would sue. This was two or three years ago.

I believe she would have done much better to embrace this good work, have a
friendly agreement with the compiler, and then either publish it herself
somehow or set up a way that someone else could publish it, with all due
respect to her rights and interests and accuracy of the material.  In other
words, come from positive poles and facilitate the distribution of this
incredibly useful work.  If there are problems with her publishers or
something else, work positively to solve them.

I recognize that she has been threatened and feels threatened by
fundamentalists.  However, she lives in the S.F. Bay Area, a place as liberal
and tolerant as you can get, and where most people don't feel at all inhibited
by fundamentalist intolerance.  Baby souls are very uncomfortable in
situations as overwhelming complex and even "satanic' as the Bay Area.  Not
many live there and those who do know they can't enforce their religions on
others.  So I would suppose that Yarbro, like many new agers, had past lives
where she was tortured and killed horribly as a witch or heretic and decided
to always thereafter live a very low-profile, even "underground"  way to keep
it from happening again.  I have some of that in me, as do many others here.

So she seems to be living in her own cage of fears. She may have specific
karmas and agreements and/or connections with some specific nasty characters
who really are threatening her in a private drama that goes on even in very
tolerant general surroundings.  But if there was ever a time to lighten up and
transmute fear, this is it.

I really wish she would rise considerably out of her negative poles and join
us and embrace our collective work here. 

I hope some reader here who has contact with her might be able to influence
her to reconsider and work out a way to publish the compilation. Imagine being
able to look up all the good stuff in the three books without having to slog
through all the times Jessica served tea and all the made-up details about
people which were added to make the narrative flow more easily.  (Which is
fine the first time you read the material, but greatly diminishes its use as
reference material.)

All the best, Ed Hamerstrom

 


Subject: Dealing with very human "emotions"
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:52:41 -0500

Ken,

You bring up an interesting question regarding emotional responses.
Yours is to "synchronicity" and I don't recall ever having experienced
that emotional feeling in regard to synchronicity, but I deal with strong
emotional feelings all of the time relating to many other things.  I'm one
of those weird people who cries when I watch parades and see the
American Flag and hear the National Anthem.  I get angry when I'm
working with a poor (financially) widow to get VA benefits for her and
someone at the VA finds some excuse to deny her benefits, when she
has a perfect legal right to them.  In one such case recently, I slammed
my fist on my desk and said "it's just not fair" and my Boss said "Fair
doesn't enter into it."  He was right, but it did not help My Widow, and
that kind of emotion takes a lot out of me.  I do not like to cry at
injustice or even when someone does someone else a great kindness.

This week, while I've been at home, I've been watching the Maury Povich
Show and they did a program that fulfilled wishes that people had.  The
people to receive were chosen by selecting letters from others who
wanted the Deserving to receive.  I was so weepy it was disgusting.
I don't know if these feelings come from imprinting from my childhood
(my Mother was an incredibly generous Artisan, who never had her feet
on the ground for an instant of my life), or from being in Passion Mode,
or from having a discarnate Priest ET, or from my theatrical training that
brought all of my emotions to the surface, but it is a very uncomfortable
feeling.  Again, it takes a lot out of me.  I wonder what brings up these
feelings and why.  I've never sat down before and tried to examine them.

Anyone have any ideas about them and particularly about how to deal
with them.   Why should anyone cry when a band is marching by in a
televised parade.  Isn't this a waste of energy?  Don't know.  Can't figure
it out.

Love and Troubled Laughter (sort of a nervous giggle, Ed)

Jeanne Holley

 


Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:57:31 -0400
From: Kenneth Broom <kenbroom@earthling.net>
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Jeanne Holley wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> You bring up an interesting question regarding emotional responses.
> Yours is to "synchronicity" and I don't recall ever having experienced
> that emotional feeling in regard to synchronicity, but I deal with strong
> emotional feelings all of the time relating to many other things.  I'm one
> of those weird people who cries when I watch parades and see the
> American Flag and hear the National Anthem. 


The US of A was created under very Spiritual Vibrations. Many people feel very strongly
about the flag and the anthem. It is quite possible that you are tuning into this
country's spiritual origins, plus also tuning into Americans' feelings about this country.

Most people feel this way when witnessing a parade. This is why they are such popular
attractions. Political leaders use this energy to draw their people together. Witness
Hitler's military parades and those of the old USSR.

The energy of a large group of people united for a common purpose, moving in concert, even
for a parade, is a very powerful phenomenon.

There is also an extremely powerful positive side to this phenomenon. Witness the
beautiful and powerful energies of a Hawaiian Hula group when all 30 or 40 people are
doing the same graceful steps at the same time... or Michael Flatley and his group of
people doing the same Irish dancing steps at the same time.


> I get angry when I'm
> working with a poor (financially) widow to get VA benefits for her and
> someone at the VA finds some excuse to deny her benefits, when she
> has a perfect legal right to them.  In one such case recently, I slammed
> my fist on my desk and said "it's just not fair" and my Boss said "Fair
> doesn't enter into it."  He was right, but it did not help My Widow, and
> that kind of emotion takes a lot out of me.  I do not like to cry at
> injustice or even when someone does someone else a great kindness.


Your tears are due to unspent energy being released. You can make use of that powerful emotional energy to consciously help create whatever favorable circumstances are acceptable to you and the one who was treated unfairly. Visualize your "Widow", or whomever, receiving all the benefits due them plus whatever else they may need. And then focus your anger energy, devoid of the anger and filled with love, focus that energy into
the visualization.


> This week, while I've been at home, I've been watching the Maury Povich
> Show and they did a program that fulfilled wishes that people had.  The
> people to receive were chosen by selecting letters from others who
> wanted the Deserving to receive.  I was so weepy it was disgusting.
> I don't know if these feelings come from imprinting from my childhood
> (my Mother was an incredibly generous Artisan, who never had her feet
> on the ground for an instant of my life), or from being in Passion Mode,
> or from having a discarnate Priest ET, or from my theatrical training that
> brought all of my emotions to the surface, but it is a very uncomfortable
> feeling.  Again, it takes a lot out of me.  I wonder what brings up these
> feelings and why.  I've never sat down before and tried to examine them.


Also methinks you have two things going on here
1) Easy access to your "Higher  Emotional Center" and
2) An extremely sensitive empathy sense that really likes to be turned on, and especially
responds to crowds and to injustice.

So... IMHO... there are two things you can do when these emotions spill over.
1) Turn off (or down) your Higher Emotional Center,
2) Focus the energy of those emotions into creating something positive for yourself or on
behalf of those whom you feel for, and
3) Shut off or turn down the "Empathy Control Switch".

I've done the theatrical thing wherein the director had us read through the entire play
one line at a time, but making deep eye contact with the character you're speaking to
before speaking each line. It too brought out the tears.



> [clipped]


--
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
  7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
  Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

 


Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:08:54 -0700
From: Lori Tostado <lorazz@inreach.com>
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> Anyone have any ideas about them and particularly about how to deal
>      with them.   Why should anyone cry when a band is marching by in a
>      televised parade.  Isn't this a waste of energy?  Don't know.  Can't figure
>      it out.


Hi Jeanne,

Like you, I've always been one who cries easily, from anger, from
sadness, and from joy. I always thought I got it from my mom (my adopted
mom who raised me) who cries at *everything*--much more than I do! I was
told by wise people that it had a lot to do with deservability.  I have
been exploring this and I think it's true. 

We may have the subconscious (or conscious) belief that we really aren't
deserving or worthy of all the best life has to offer.  We may believe
that we must suffer in order to be saved or redeemed.  I was raised
Catholic and this theme underlies the whole religion.  You go to mass
every Sunday to honor God and if you don't, then you don't deserve to go
to heaven.  You have to get baptized in order to be in "God's family."
There is even a point in the mass where the congregation recites, "Lord,
I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be
healed."  What I always wondered growing up was, what's the word God has
to say that will make me worthy of Him?  Oh, this all makes my stomach
turn. 

It's easy to see how we would get very angry at the injustices in the
world, and even though you know your widow deserves her VA benefits,
she's become a victim of the system and you're powerless to do anything
about it.  "It's not right!" you demand.  "She deserves better than
this!"  You do what you can and you stand up for her and you fight for
her rights.  But the underlying belief that we aren't worthy permeates
the system and they cycle continues, an injustice occurs, a victim is
created, blame is put on someone or something, and another injustice
occurs...etc.  No one wants to take responsibility.  But this is another
topic....

Can you change it?  I don't really know.  All I know is that we are
worthy and that each of us makes a difference somewhere, and we may
never see the results.  But the anger at the injustice, and the sadness
and hopelessness that you can't do anything about it, that's enough to
make anybody cry, if we'll only let it out.

(Please don't take this personally, Jeanne, sometimes I'm saying "you"
here in a general way, not you personally.  You personally get me on a
roll though, LOL! :)  Thank you.)

Anyway, in a class I took with Steve Cocconi, at the time it was called
"Loving Communications," they showed us how when we keep emotions inside
of us, it's like we are filling a bucket.  When something happens that
triggers the emotions, it's like a rock getting thrown in your bucket
and you get this "splash-out," where the emotion comes out like a big
chunk or wave.  If we feel ashamed or afraid of having those emotions,
we may try to stuff them back into the bucket, but there comes a point
when your bucket gets full, and just a tiny pebble can make it
overflow.  That's the point where a lot of people just explode, because
they've pushed down their emotions so much.  Crying is one way of
letting the splash-out flow, and when we do let it flow, it eventually
goes away and we return to peace.  This is also called emotional
discharge.  They said in the class, "If it isn't peace, it's
discharge."  Emotional discharge can be of emotions we like, and of
emotions we don't like.  Either way, if we don't let them flow in the
moment, we are in resistance, and the emotions get put in the bucket,
and we'll have to deal with them sometime.  Putting stuff in your bucket
takes a lot of energy.  You may have many lovely emotions in there as
well as many "yucky" ones.

Why would anyone put loving or joyful feelings into their bucket, if
it's really only yucky feelings you think you'd have in your bucket,
like anger, jealousy, rage, etc.?  It's about deservability.  If you
have an underlying feeling of unworthiness, then when joyful things
happen in your life, you're likely to stuff some of that emotion because
you don't believe you deserve that joy right then.  You *know* that you
are deserving of this love and joy, but that part of you that doesn't
believe it has manifested your reality for so long, that you can hardly
believe good things are happening to you, and this is a big rock in your
bucket, and the splash-out is, that you cry, and that lets the emotion
flow finally.  You "got gotten," so to speak. 

For you Jeanne, I'd say that watching a parade and the pride you have in
your country triggers the joyous emotions you still have locked up in
your bucket, and seeing these wonderful things is the rock in your
bucket that makes the emotions splash out.

This discharge is not a waste of energy, it is the energy in motion that
emotions are all about.  Michael told us that this planet, Earth, is all
about emotional lessons.  Other parts of the physical plane, where we
may go in other cycles, have different purposes that are just as valid
as this world.  So we are here to focus on emotional lessons on Earth.
Instead of resisting to cry, try doing the opposite, say to yourself,
"thank goodness, here it comes."  I've been trying to do that myself and
it has interesting results!  The peace comes a lot faster. :)

Instead of resisting crying, I learned to let myself do it more freely
when I have to, and let go of the fears around it about what other
people are going to think, that made me stuff the emotions in the first
place.  (The belief is like, eople are going to think I am weak or
something is wrong with me if I let them see me cry.  Well, maybe they
will, but, so what?)  It used to be the general consensus in this
society that crying women were hysterical or something and that "it's
all in your head." 

They had it all wrong.  It's all in your heart (or in your bucket too,
heheh.)  We all deserve to have Love, to be loved and to love freely.  I
found that I can hold that Love in me now, and let it flow, without
crying most of the time, because I've splashed out most of that part of
deservability from my bucket  now.....As for the rest of it, well, I'm
working on it. :)

Love,
Lori T.

 


Subject: Re: Dealing with Human Emotions
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:00:34 -0400


    Coming from the emotional center, intellectual part, it is very easy for
me to express tears and I am pretty much comfortable with it.  To me it is
not loosing energy but expressing it.  I cry when I see the slaughter trucks
go by, carrying the poor helpless cows to their burger destinies.  I cry
when I see a tree being dismembered, especially this last time when on my
morning run, the trees they were taking down were just beginning to bud.  I
don't feel drained by the emotion, perhaps because the anger in there too
(mars energy) is somewhat energizing?  Long ago, I use to think about what I
feel, regurgitating the emotion over and over again in thought form.  I was
told to just feel it and then let it go.  Which is pretty much what I do
now.
    As for synchronicity, it feels to me like coming home.  I relate to it
much like I do with validation or resonance, and then the confusion lessons.
My latest synchronistic event had to do with the crystal hanging in my
window.  Now it has been there for several years.  The photograph of a
deceased friend that I knew in NYC has been on the other side of the room
for a several years as well.   When the sun strikes the crystal, colors go
all over the room.  I have liked that effect for years.  I am getting ready
to go and run and I notice that the colors are hitting Brennan's face in the
photograph.  I have never noticed the sun/crystal ever doing this before.
I have a walkman on and I think to myself as I am leaving that, "Aha,
perhaps this is a sign."
But pragmatism kicks in and I say to myself that the sun effect is only
natural.........Then I turn on the walkman to leave and right where it
starts is on the song, by Paul Simon, where the lyrics go "Here I am, the
only living boy in New York."
    That was good enough for me.  Joy, joy; I am usually so dense.  Out of
this experience also came the realization, that the colors as they
correspond to the chakras are exactly how they are reflected from a prism.
From the red to the purple.  I guess I'd just never really put it together
before.
As always, seeking :-)  and sometimes finding

Sharon
1st level Artisan/growth/pragmatist/caution/server ET
 


Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:44:47 -0400
From: Kenneth Broom <kenbroom@earthling.net>
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Dear Michael Listers,

Everyone who reads the five statements below is contributing to my receiving my wonderful
88 key digital piano by June 25th 1998, my 60th birthday. Ordinarily I wouldn't care a
whit about another birthday, but somehow this birthday is extremely important in a way
that I have yet to comprehend. All you need to do is to just read the five statements
below. That's all. Much loving thanks in advance. If you do not wish to contribute then
stop reading right now, and I'll still love you very much.

-----

1) KENNETH BROOM is the happy owner of a wonderful 88 key digital piano!

2) Kenneth Broom is the HAPPY OWNER of a wonderful 88 key digital piano!

3) Kenneth Broom is the happy owner of a WONDERFUL 88 key digital piano!

4) Kenneth Broom is the happy owner of a wonderful 88 KEY DIGITAL PIANO!

5) KENNETH BROOM is the HAPPY OWNER of a WONDERFUL 88 KEY DIGITAL PIANO!
 
And it is DONE!

-----

Thank you so very much... everyone one of you!

May you all be blessed with the happy fulfillment of "your" every desire.

TAO BLESS US ALL.

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
  7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
  Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


 


Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:27:11 EDT
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     I too, come from emotional centering, (intellectual part) and have found
that my emotions and their expression of them are tremendously liberating!!!
However, it took alot of work to see  them more as an asset than a liability.
With the intellectual center as my trap, I have to be aware of a tendency to
feel first then go into analysis-paralysis re: those feelings.   Not good or
helpful in dealing with life!!  As an old soul warrior, I am sure that I had
many, many lifetimes dominated by the intellectual centers; busy doing and
thinking about things that I saw as injustices, and because I have had a
penchant for picking the overleaf of aggression mode, was probably doing (and
thinking) things with a vengeance about these injustices!!  Not to say I
didn't have feelings about these events, but in this lifetime my essence has
now chosen emotional centering AND aggression mode (along with idealist) to
now FEEL intensely about matters that tug at my heart.  If I do recall one of
the Michael books, emotional centering is about "getting it" (whatever IT is)
on an emotional, intuitive level and can be tremendously growthful.  Frankly,
I have had to work with this combo because I had often found feelings/emotions
getting IN THE WAY of doing the task at hand.  Little did I realize in my
younger years (pre emotional release therapies!!)   how much of an assist it
can be to seeing the whole picture.

     As I am a warrior working in the healthcare field, I am often seeing
people and their disabling situations that can break my heart at times. ( Not
to mention stirring up anger when they have tended to cause the disability
themselves.) I DO feel with them, but am careful not to feel FOR them or their
family members who I also work closely with.  I have seen that the emotional
connections allow for greater rapport and trust and I am always grateful when
I feel SO STRONGLY that it moves me to tears or other displays of emotion.  It
also motivates/inspires me to do the best therapy job I can with
them.....especially if it helps them to release their own emotions in the
process.  I try to always bring in the practical, "what are we gonna do with
this?" approach however emotions seem to be more of the domain of the feminine
and are not logical or linear........sometimes there is NOTHING to "do" but to
feel. I do believe that when one freely emotes without judgement and without
alot of "drama-rama" fanfare, it allows others to access their own emotional
centers and frees up the energy to get on with the task at hand, whatever that
may be.  I have seen myself more as a facilitator for others to do this, after
doing my own work on releasing the negative judgements I had about revealing
this, more vulnerable aspect to myself.  So, to those that release emotions
freely at public events and otherwise in front of others, GO FOR IT!!!!!
Think of it as assisting others who need it: may it be due to some repression
going on, stuckness  or just needing some permission to let out their heart-
felt emotional energy.  I do agree that e-motions are energies in motion, as
compared to feelings, which can stay stuck in the body, buried or analyzed to
death by the intellectual center.  Feelings, nontheless, need to honored as
well......and by giving oneself permission to feel them (without judgement)
then one can move to emoting, if that is what is needed.  However, the
honoring of feelings and emotions can move tremendous amounts of energy and
can assist one in moving in a positive, essence directed fashion.

Thank you for allowing me to express myself on this subject; it is near and
dear to my heart!!
Sincerely,
Mari Lynn
 


Subject: My emotions
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Thanks to each of you.  Ken, I truly appreciate your response
regarding my emotional problems.  I've printed out the response
and I'm going to make up some little cards to remind myself how
to respond to my emotions more positively.  Since I work out of
Intellectual Center and my male/female ratio is 60-40, I have
always felt I was not responding properly and that I was wasting
my emotional energy and your advise will hopefully turn me
around.

I can understand Mari Lynn and Sharon, working out of emotional
center having their emotions in the forefront.  That is as it should
be, and Lori Dear, you always seem to hit things quite well, but
I would have thought that I would have "a hole in my bucket",
and that was what bothered me.  I do appreciate everyone's input.

Love and Laughter

Jeanne Holley

 


Subject: A Revelation
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I know, I know, some of you are saying, does she ever stop!
But I had to tell you all what happened while I was sitting
in the Doctor's Waiting Room this afternoon.  I had a long
wait and I had my eyes closed and was "practicing the
presence" by seeing in my mind's eye all of the beautiful
"fragments" in the room.  I said to myself, a roomful of
beautiful human beings and as clearly as if I had said it
myself the thought came to me "NO.  BEING HUMANS". 
I was dumbfounded and then I thought "of course, it is
so right."

Love and Love and Love and a little laughter thrown in for
good measure

Jeanne Holley

 


Subject: Re: A Creatively Graceful Manifestation
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Congratulations Kenneth Broom for being  the happy owner of a wonderful 88
key digital piano!

Congratulations Kenneth Broom for being  the happy owner of a wonderful 88
key digital piano!

Congratulations Kenneth Broom for being  the happy owner of a wonderful 88
key digital piano!

Congratulations Kenneth Broom for being  the happy owner of a wonderful 88
key digital piano!

Congratulations Kenneth Broom for being  the happy owner of a wonderful 88
key digital piano!

M'Ixchel

 


Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:45:23 -0400
From: Kenneth Broom <kenbroom@earthling.net>
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On Tuesday, May 19, 1998, I received the following personal email from someone whose name
I am consciously withholding.

"Could you please refrain from using four letter words in this list....it's really not
necessary, your message was very beautiful without having to add that word. Thank you"

---

The email they were referring to is the following one from me to the list.

"Dear Mike and others,

"I just received an email from a person who thanked me for the posting and saying that its
timing was just perfect for what the person had been working on for the past two weeks.

"Whenever I am part of (or agent for) this kind of synchronicity it just fuckin' really
blows me away... sometimes to the point of eyes tearing and nose running."

---

The following is my response to the person's request:

1) I will not refrain from using 4 letter words when and where I feel they are
appropriate.

2) I will not refrain from using 2, 3, 5, 6, etc. letter words when and where I feel they
are appropriate.

3) I will not ever flame, slander, or likewise disrespect, anyone, anyplace, or anything.

4) I will not suffer anyone censoring, or asking me to censor, my personal expressions of
my being.

5) I will not suffer anyone telling me what's not necessary in my personal expressions of
my being.

6) I will defend with my life everyone's right to request that I refrain from using four
letter words.

7) I will defend with my life everyone's right to express their disapproval of my writing.

8) I will also defend with my life my own freedom to express myself as I please... within
the limits of item (3) above.

9) The dislike or aversion to four letter words is a personal and subjective choice, not
to be foisted upon other people.

10) Censorship of any kind is antithetical to open and loving communication among mature
individuals.

11) I love you despite your aversion to "that" four letter word.   (((LOVE and HUGS)))
from  :>)#



Q. How many four letter words does it take to change a light bulb?

A. How the [bleep] should I know?  I don't never use no [bleeping] obscenity anyways.

Ar, Ar, Ar, Ar.  <smiles and love> from  :>)#  aka: The Happy Scholar.


 
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
  7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
  Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


 


Subject: Re: 5 Tibetan Rites
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:26:07 -0400
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Dear List,

Ed wrote:


>Dear Sharon --  I've been doing them for about ten weeks and when I went
away
>for three weeks in the middle and returned, a couple of people noted that I
>looked younger.  That was especially notable because I had gotten a short
>haircut, which in the past always made me look years older, at least to my
>eye.
>
>For anyone else curious, the "rites" are five physical exercises which are
>designed to get the chakras energized and spinning in balance.  Supposedly
the
>lamas in a remote monastery in Tibet all did the rites daily and maintained
>youthful energy indefinitely.  The story may well be fiction (it resembles
in
>part a famous movie of the time, I believe "The Razor's Edge") but there
seems
>to be substantial truth in what the book teaches.
>
>I recommend the book. It's something like $5.95 and any bookstore could
sell
>zillions, so let's get our local stores to carry it.


    I did them on and off, in the past, but would stop because of lower back
pain.  This time around I am starting slow, and am only up to 9 repetitions,
after three weeks. Still, I am noticing an increase in energy.  The other
night I was carded for buying a box of wine.  I am 44 years old.  Needless
to say, it made my day.  The book is called FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH, by Peter
Kelder, if anybody is interested.
    Thanks Ed for your input.
Best,
Sharon


 


Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:00:51 EDT
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Hi again

    I know that Quinn has developed quite a reputation for trashing other
Michael channels, and being generally close-minded about the teachings in
terms of making the information available. I certainly would hope that she
might choose to rethink that at some point.
 
   However, I do feel I need to mention that she was by contract with her
publisher required to pursue the matter to which Ed referred, and if she
didnt, she was going to be held legally responsible,  including having to pay
huge fines and possibly losing her contract.  She couldnt even if she had
wanted to simply overlooked it, or said 'hey, thats ok, lets work on this
together' because legally she couldn't. Now I am not saying that would have
been her first choice anyway, but the facts were not all out on the table.

    Quinn has also been working, although unsuccessfully, to persuade Berkely
Books to reprint More Messages, which in my view if the best book. Many of us
have written to the publisher and see little hope yet, but that isnt to say it
couldnt happen!
With someone else distributing free computer copies of the out of print books,
this made it next to impossible for her to get the publisher to agree to a
reprinting.

    I dont always agree with the things that Q chooses to do, or the position
she might take on other channels, but I do think that it was reasonable for
her to protect herself in this situation.

    Victoria Marina, channel
    www.gateway-assoc.com

 


Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:40:32 -0400
From: "Gina Estevez" <gestevez@WALTERIND.COM>
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I'm quite late responding to all the wonderful comments on Truth, but here =
goes:  As a BEING HUMAN (as Jeanne puts it - I like that), I "know" that =
all choices are valid, that every one of us is where he/she should be, and =
that time is a convenient illusion within which we can conduct our "play." =
 As a PARENT, I know that I must keep my child safe, even if it means =
limiting his choices, and that we need to be on time for the everyday life =
stuff, i.e., school, work.  So I experience daily how two or more =
"different" ideas must be reconciled.  If one thing is true, that does not =
necessarily negate its opposite.  We just need to get farther away for =
better perspective.

MISCELLANEOUS STUFF
I am blessed with a very communicative child, and although he is four, we =
have had some wonderful discussions (yes, discussions * as in open =
exchange of ideas) about our souls, "God", reincarnation, choice, etc.  He =
likes the picture of "God" breaking off little pieces of himself and =
tossing them out to become stars, planets, people, and every other thing.  =
And he recently began asking me, "Why did 'God' HAVE to make us?"  I =
reminded him that "God" is not a person, explaining Tao in terms I hoped =
he could understand.  My son came back with, "So, 'God' didn't HAVE to =
make us.  He CHOSE to make us, and WE CHOSE, TOO!!"  I was getting to =
that, but he got to the point before I did.  Smart little guy.

I've been reading Journey (thanks, Shepherd), and I'm wondering what I can =
do to make my son aware of Chief Features as he grows, and perhaps offer =
him the choice of NOT CHOOSING one.  Perhaps this is just me wishing that =
someone had offered me the information in a timely fashion * but as a good =
parent, I want to teach my child to make his choices based in love, not =
fear.  So, have any of you had any experience raising children from the =
"ground up" with these ideas?  (My parents are wonderful people who used =
the information they had at hand - heavy guilt and a Roman Catholic =
upbringing - considering their tools, they did an excellent job).  I'd =
like to know how you feel about parenting/raising children with our "new" =
perspective.

Just some thoughts I was finally able to key in.

Gina

Mnemosyne - the Greek Goddess of Memory - as in, what was I supposed to be =
doing this life, and where did I put my car keys?


 


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>However, I do feel I need to mention that she was by contract with her
>publisher required to pursue the matter to which Ed referred, and if she
>didnt, she was going to be held legally responsible,  including having to pay
>huge fines and possibly losing her contract.  She couldnt even if she had
>wanted to simply overlooked it, or said 'hey, thats ok, lets work on this
>together' because legally she couldn't. Now I am not saying that would have
>been her first choice anyway, but the facts were not all out on the table.


Victoria

This is a great reminder for those of us who jump the gun on issues to
hold back our judgements for a while. We don't always know the entire
situation.

I have a friend who own the rights to "couch potatos". He made a deal
with Caleco a few years ago to produce a couch potato doll but since he
was obligated to sue anybody using "couch potatos" as promotional
material he spent most of his money on lawyers. Caleco also went bust and
he never made a cent (although last time I talked to him about it there
was a hint of a rival).

-- Ted


 


Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:10:55 EDT
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Gina,

I think it's great you talk to your son like that.  I look forward to doing
the same with my 18 mo old.  I asked her recently if she remembered 'before
she was Morgan' and she nodded yes.  I asked if she remembered being other
people and she nodded vigorously.  Then I asked her if she saw a purple
elephant and again she nodded vigorously.  Who's to say what the heck she
understands at this point!  Maybe she still sees the astral and they made her
a purple elephant!

Keep me posted on this subject!

Martha

 


Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:27:33 +0800
To: Michael Teachings List <michael-teachings-l@spiritweb.org>
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I may get flamed and bombed and whatever else for saying this, but what the
heck.     :-)


At 05:09 PM 5/20/98 -0000, Lori Tostado wrote:

>told by wise people that it had a lot to do with deservability.  I have
>been exploring this and I think it's true. 


<the rest snipped>

Well, the snipping was not because it was not worth quoting, but for
conserving bandwidth.  I would like to say something about deservability.
It is a nice word, in the sense that it views the positive, the "right"
side.  I would use another word, "self-importance".  Not so nice, right?
(detecting chemical combustion... [flame])

It is something like self-preservation in the social sense, of demanding,
requiring, and not least, hoping, others to treat us with importance.  At
least sufficient importance to be equal with others.  In order for
societies to work healthily, this "deservability" is a goal to try to
achieve.  While on the other hand, humans know how to work predatorily.  So
this predatorial and deservability issues reigns throughout history.  I
have a feeling that this issue will not be resolved until the average soul
age of human reaches Old, or late Old.

While in the mean time, if we can arrive at the point of view, to see
everything as equal -- being treated unfairly, as well as being treated
very fairly, being deserved and being undeserved, etc.  If, even these, can
be seen as equal in importance, then the issue of deservability is no
longer there.  (as would be "predatority")  All things (and issues) being
equal.  For the followers of Castaneda, their "famous line" is ... "all of
us are beings who are going to die".  Issues of live after death aside,
while we are alive here, issues of victims, predators, equality, etc. seem
to have paled before death.  Or to put it in another way.  Instead of
piling up emotional charges over being treated equal, how about channeling
it to something else -- alternatives.  Look for strategy, use cunning,
sweetness, put aside issues of self-image, sense of righteousness, (our
sense of righteousness is not all uniformly identical -- it differs from
person to person, culture to culture, and has much to do with morality).

I wonder how my presentation goes so far.  I bet it is very confusing.  I
am a bit confused about how I should present, too.

I feel that deservability usually focus around humans.  We seldom consider
other life-forms as just deserving equality.  Sure, we might take pets
(like cats, dog, fish) into this deservability envelope.  But have we
consider worms, mosquitoes, ants, bugs, bacteria, etc.?  They don't
"deserve better"?  I think this is why I see it as tying with the issue of
"self-importance".  When we mow the lawn, do we cry at the deservice done
to those grass?

Regards.


 


Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:51:14 -0700
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>         From: J J
>      Subject: Deservability
>         Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:27:33 +0800
>
>      I may get flamed and bombed and whatever else for saying this, but what the
>      heck.     :-)


Hi J J--if you do get flamed, it's not by me. :^)

>
>      At 05:09 PM 5/20/98 -0000, Lori T wrote:
>
>      >told by wise people that it had a lot to do with deservability.  I have
>      >been exploring this and I think it's true.
>
>      <the rest snipped>
>
>      Well, the snipping was not because it was not worth quoting, but for
>      conserving bandwidth.  I would like to say something about deservability.
>      It is a nice word, in the sense that it views the positive, the "right"
>      side.  I would use another word, "self-importance".  Not so nice, right?
>      (detecting chemical combustion... [flame])
>

I think you make a good point.  I was using the terms worthiness and
deservability interchangeably here, and I see now I shouldn't have done
that.  As I thought about it, it seemed to me that maybe it should be
something like this:

+ deservability
   Worthiness
- self-impartance

kind of like an overleaf, the positive pole of worthiness being
deservability, and the negative pole being self-importance.

So if I might rephrase what I said originally, "I was told by wise
people that it had a lot to do with worthiness.  I have
been exploring this and I think it's true."  I remember the word really
was worthiness, not deservability, that I was told then.

>      It is something like self-preservation in the social sense, of demanding,
>      requiring, and not least, hoping, others to treat us with importance.  At
>      least sufficient importance to be equal with others.  In order for
>      societies to work healthily, this "deservability" is a goal to try to
>      achieve.  While on the other hand, humans know how to work predatorily.  So
>      this predatorial and deservability issues reigns throughout history.  I
>      have a feeling that this issue will not be resolved until the average soul
>      age of human reaches Old, or late Old.


I would tend to agree with you.... Funny, I've had such a discussion
along these lines with another friend, and this kind of ties in another
piece of the puzzle. :^)

>
>      While in the mean time, if we can arrive at the point of view, to see
>      everything as equal -- being treated unfairly, as well as being treated
>      very fairly, being deserved and being undeserved, etc.  If, even these, can
>      be seen as equal in importance, then the issue of deservability is no
>      longer there.  (as would be "predatority")  All things (and issues) being
>      equal.  For the followers of Castaneda, their "famous line" is ... "all of
>      us are beings who are going to die".  Issues of live after death aside,
>      while we are alive here, issues of victims, predators, equality, etc. seem
>      to have paled before death.  Or to put it in another way.  Instead of
>      piling up emotional charges over being treated equal, how about channeling
>      it to something else -- alternatives.  Look for strategy, use cunning,
>      sweetness, put aside issues of self-image, sense of righteousness, (our
>      sense of righteousness is not all uniformly identical -- it differs from
>      person to person, culture to culture, and has much to do with morality).
>

I see this like the victim/victimizer pattern.  If *everyone* would
focus on what they could give, rather than what's in it for them, then
everyone would be giving, and receiving, and there would be no need to
take, no lack, no scarcity or insecurity.  The first question everyone
would ask would be, "How can I be of service here?"  You don't have to
be a Server, all roles perform a service.  Sure it's an idealistic goal,
but I think it's easy to see that it would work more or less, if
everyone, in integrity, would agree to do it.  It wouldn't mean everyone
would always get what they wanted, but there would be no victims in this
kind of a society, one that focuses on giving, in all its aspects,
because within the giving everyone's needs get taken care of.  And even
realizing that it is OK to give to yourself when you're not taking away
from another, can be a positive thing for everybody.  Giving includes
giving back to the Earth, gratitude for life, respect and love for all
creatures and all things.

>      I wonder how my presentation goes so far.  I bet it is very confusing.  I
>      am a bit confused about how I should present, too.
>
I think I understand you pretty well here, and I'm thankful for your
insights too.

>      I feel that deservability usually focus around humans.  We seldom consider
>      other life-forms as just deserving equality.  Sure, we might take pets
>      (like cats, dog, fish) into this deservability envelope.  But have we
>      consider worms, mosquitoes, ants, bugs, bacteria, etc.?  They don't
>      "deserve better"?  I think this is why I see it as tying with the issue of
>      "self-importance".  When we mow the lawn, do we cry at the deservice done
>      to those grass?


Is having reverence enough?  I don't know.... I don't know what it would
take to create a society focused on giving, but I know I'd like to leave
the world a little nicer than it was when I got here.... I suppose, that
"nicer" is subjective to my point of view too.....

Blessings,
Lori

 


Subject: Re: Deservability
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JJ wrote:

> I may get flamed and bombed and whatever else for saying this, but what
the
> heck.     :-)


Not by me JJ.  You post a lot of fascinating, insightful (not inciteful)
information
and ideas.
 
>>>>I would like to say something about deservability.
> It is a nice word, in the sense that it views the positive, the "right"
> side.  I would use another word, "self-importance".  Not so nice, right?
> (detecting chemical combustion... [flame])>>>>>


If we stop and think about that terminology, it is simply another phrase
that
has been taken up by our society (leaders/gurus/etc) and selected to be a
"bad" term.  If we all realized our "self-importance" in the universal
scheme
of things we would not require "gurus", and if you see true self-importance
not the modern innuendo associated with it, I think we would begin to
realize
the link between ourselves and all others "being humans".

>
> . I
>>> have a feeling that this issue will not be resolved until the average
soul
> age of human reaches Old, or late Old.>>>>


I'm not sure that it will be resolved even then.  When Caris channeled the
Michaels for me in April, they were explaining something to me (I'd have to
go back and listen to the tape again to get the exact words) and they said
they must be careful not to create karma with their students and I was
somewhat astounded, because they then advised me that  they are still
dealing with many, many issues themselves, both with the planes above
them, those they are on and those they are teaching.  I would think that
cycling off the physical plane, would maybe be like graduating from
"nursery school".  (Now I'll get flamed.)

>
>>> While in the mean time, if we can arrive at the point of view, to see
> everything as equal -- being treated unfairly, as well as being treated
> very fairly, being deserved and being undeserved, etc.  If, even these,
can
> be seen as equal in importance, then the issue of deservability is no
> longer there.  (as would be "predatority")  All things (and issues) being
> equal.  For the followers of Castaneda, their "famous line" is ... "all
of
> us are beings who are going to die".>>>

 
Wouldn't it be nice if someone would coin the phrase "all of us are beings
who are learning to love".

>>> I wonder how my presentation goes so far.  I bet it is very confusing.
I
> am a bit confused about how I should present, too.>>>


I think you're explaining your idea quite well.  All of these ideas are
difficult
to articulate.
 
>>> I feel that deservability usually focus around humans.  We seldom
consider
> other life-forms as just deserving equality.  Sure, we might take pets
> (like cats, dog, fish) into this deservability envelope.  But have we
> consider worms, mosquitoes, ants, bugs, bacteria, etc.?  They don't
> "deserve better"?  I think this is why I see it as tying with the issue
of
> "self-importance".  When we mow the lawn, do we cry at the deservice done
> to those grass?>>>


Not only do we "not" cry at the disservice done to the natural world, we
think
it our due.  We love horses, but despise moles and set cruel traps for
them.
We won't eat meat, but do we think the plants we rip out of the ground (and
I am
not talking about your little backyard vegetable garden) after we have
sprayed
them with toxins, are not living things?  Do you think it is unnecessary to
thank
radishes, tomato plants and potatoes for giving their lives to fill our
stomachs?
 Although I must admit, I still haven't gotten past disliking flies,
mosquitos and
cockroaches (I'm working on it).  

I understand what you are saying JJ and again, I don't think that the
physicality of mankind on this planet will bring us to a point where we can
"in general" as part of the daily routine, accept self-importance as
"good".
Not until we realize our connectedness and understand that when we deny
ourselves as "good, self-important, worthy" we are denying the Tao.

And in the true sense of the phrase JJ, "I salute the Divinity in You".

Jeanne Holley

 


Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:49:25 +0800
To: Michael Teachings List <michael-teachings-l@spiritweb.org>

I would like to thank Lori for a very thought-provoking post (at least for
me)... :-)  I have learnt new things from it, and have nothing more to add.
 :-)

At 04:47 AM 5/23/98 -0000, Lori Tostado wrote:

>Hi J J--if you do get flamed, it's not by me. :^)

Thanks.  :-)

>I think you make a good point.  I was using the terms worthiness and
>deservability interchangeably here, and I see now I shouldn't have done
>that.  As I thought about it, it seemed to me that maybe it should be
>something like this:
>
>+ deservability
>   Worthiness
>- self-impartance
>
>kind of like an overleaf, the positive pole of worthiness being
>deservability, and the negative pole being self-importance.
>
>So if I might rephrase what I said originally, "I was told by wise
>people that it had a lot to do with worthiness.  I have
>been exploring this and I think it's true."  I remember the word really
>was worthiness, not deservability, that I was told then.


Worthiness... hmm... (trying to find something to say)... sounds a bit like
a "measuring rod".  Well, I suppose it is always possible to determine if
something is "worthy" without being judgemental.  Seeing from the point of
view of "capability".  :-)

>I would tend to agree with you.... Funny, I've had such a discussion
>along these lines with another friend, and this kind of ties in another
>piece of the puzzle. :^)

And synchronicity.

>I see this like the victim/victimizer pattern.  If *everyone* would
>focus on what they could give, rather than what's in it for them, then
>everyone would be giving, and receiving, and there would be no need to
>take, no lack, no scarcity or insecurity.  The first question everyone
>would ask would be, "How can I be of service here?"  You don't have to
>be a Server, all roles perform a service.  Sure it's an idealistic goal,


That was exactly what I feel... all roles are ... well, not so much as
"perform a service", but like occupying a position that can contribute to
the whole.

>but I think it's easy to see that it would work more or less, if
>everyone, in integrity, would agree to do it.  It wouldn't mean everyone
>would always get what they wanted, but there would be no victims in this
>kind of a society, one that focuses on giving, in all its aspects,
>because within the giving everyone's needs get taken care of.  And even
>realizing that it is OK to give to yourself when you're not taking away
>from another, can be a positive thing for everybody.  Giving includes
>giving back to the Earth, gratitude for life, respect and love for all
>creatures and all things.
>
>>      I wonder how my presentation goes so far.  I bet it is very
confusing.  I
>>      am a bit confused about how I should present, too.
>>
>I think I understand you pretty well here, and I'm thankful for your
>insights too.


:-)  Recently I find that when I set out to express my perspectives, I
would write until a point that I have suddenly nothing more to write.  Not
even writing a decent paragraph of conclusion.

>Is having reverence enough?  I don't know.... I don't know what it would
>take to create a society focused on giving, but I know I'd like to leave
>the world a little nicer than it was when I got here.... I suppose, that
>"nicer" is subjective to my point of view too.....
>
>Blessings,
>Lori


If reverence is not "enough", I suppose it is at least a good start.  :-)
How many of us talk to plants the way Don Juan does?  :-)

Regards.

 


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