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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:43:29 EST Dear all, but especially Kate... I skip a couple days of digests and look what happens! My feelings are if posts are too long or boring, skip them. Don't duct tape the mouth of someone who is giving a lot. (reserve the duct tape for negative flames) I cringed when Barbara made the post about verbosity on the list, silently pointing to Kate. To me Kate is gorgeously verbal, and if it's too much some days, skip it. Her posts aren't meaningless or self-puffery or like a sage on a bad day or oration. I love seeing how her mind works thru certain ideas, just as I enjoy very much several other people on the list. Furthermore, I personally treasure Kate's intellect and am awed ( a sage in awe) by anyone who can spit out words so vibrantly at 80 miles a minute. I also treasure Kate's posts because they provoke in me thoughtfulness And often they are amusing too. Kate, I hate the thought of you quitting or pulling back because not everyone
receives it well. Is this a pattern?? Barbara, I wonder if you have some issues with judgementalness and/or control you might want to look at, or soften? Lovingly, Joya Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:23:41 -0800
> I cringed when Barbara made the post about verbosity on the list,
Joya et al, Barbara Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:46:04 -0500 POST LENGTH DISCLOSURE: Moderate size, for Kate. <G> I'm not back on the list yet, because it was a real pain to get off and just as much of a pain to get on again. Christopher had to do the work to get me off and would have to help me get back on. That has given me time to pause and debate with myself about coming back on right at this moment in time for another reason than the initial one we've been discussing. I have absolutely no will power about writing posts in forums of this nature, and I have a big (self-created, but still important) deadline of Jan. 15 to finish my novel. So this may be my last post for a while. I'm like the addict who has to keep the ice cream out of the house if she hopes to avoid eating it. <G>
I skip a couple days of digests and look what happens!....My feelings are
Joya, so you get the digests, too. And I can see that Dick takes them, too. I'd be interested in both of your opinions and those of any one else who wants to speak up (esp. some of you lurkers out there--all 120 of you who have never said anything!;>) about how that works. I understand that the old adage, "Press the Delete button if you don't want it," doesn't work for you. But you can just scroll easily past posts that don't personally interest you, right? Is this scrolling process difficult, i.e. time consuming, or does it only seem so to people with a Chief Feature of Impatience? <G> I realize we all have a cultural imprint of Impatience, of course, so it's probably good to cater to that and assume that most people are looking for sound bites not substance (or length), esp. in the electronic medium? What are the possibilties for people getting the Digest to print out long posts to take to a more comfortable place to read them (many people don't like to read for long lengths at the computer, I understand, which is why electronic books, so far, aren't hitting it big). Would you have to copy part of the digest into your word-processing program or a DOS-edit program such as a Note Pad function and then copy it from there? (Rather like what one is faced with when browsing the Net and doesn't want to print 20 pages from a Web site, but only part of it.) Maybe the problem here is mainly for people coming to the internet from places like AOL, CompuServ and GEnie rather than people using a very convenient Net interface like Netscape? I went from GEnie to the latter, and it is like night and day for convenience. But it was *very* hard to make myself go to that. I had been using GEnie's DOS interface for four years, and I don't like change that much. <ick> Anyway, I want to say, more than all that--Joya, thanks so much for your support! :) FWIW, since you asked about patterns, no, pulling back or quitting is (tragically to my Scholar side <G>), definitely NOT a pattern in my life. My lifelong pattern has been, never give up until the *other* person does. My need to follow an idea, or a relationship, to the end of the line, as far as it could possibly go, can drive people mad--and away. <G> At least this was my pattern up until the mid-life monad began for me around my Uranus Opposition (which began 7 years ago when I was 39). Gradually, very gradualy, since that time, I've been learning to only put my energy (time, resources, esp. knowledge, the major resource of the Scholar) where it is *mutually* beneficial. And by that, not just *initially* mutually beneficial, but continuously mutually beneficial. In this regard, Saturday night when I was talking to Shepherd, he said one particular sentence to me that really stood out like a red neon sign. (BTW, since this is about me, I don't feel I'm violating a personal confidence of yours, Shepherd--hope you see it that way!). We weren't having a "channeling" session, at least not consciously, but even so (and this is often the case for me in day-to-day life conversing with fellow Old Souls, esp.), it struck me powerfully at that moment as a "channeled" message from essence (and the universe) to me. He said, "You are writing for yourself," and after that followed his advice about making a Web site. Over the past few days, I've been asking for further clarification about this message, and your questions about my process of speaking/sharing information with others led me to some final, for now, pieces pulling together. I did some channeling about it with Michael and my primary guides regarding my life task, or purpose aka main theme or goal in this lifetime. I find it interesting that there are multiple themes involved. Since I've been getting requests lately from friends for channeling of life task, maybe some of you might want to see it. If so, e-mail me and ask for it and I will forward it at your specific request. I don't have a Web site yet and don't know when I might make one. So maybe this "technique" will work out in the meantime. :) Kate Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:34:03 EST Ken wrote:
I chose my life agenda and told the universe what I had chosen. The
By your post I feel you have been highly successful in this regard. I would like to know more about your experience. pj Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:05:52 EST Concerning the digest mode and LONG posts, I'm wondering why a person with less time doesn't just read from the archives. As some of the list mail gets to my box late at times, I often will persuse the archives to check for new posts, and find this process easy and pain free. I don't know how the Michael digest operates, but I have experience with the Seth list and its digest mode, and I can say that just reading the archives is a much easier task. A person with a limited amount of time could scan the daily archives and read what titles seem interesting, while skipping or leaving the others for later. Personally, I've always found digest modes to be more trouble than they're worth, regardless of post length. At any rate, check with Lori for further details. Do it TODAY! :-) <---Please send me $19.95 for further consultation fees, or call toll free 1-800-LUV-DAVE and have your credit card ready. ;-p Dave Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:40:06 +0900 (JST) At 19:40 08/12/1997 -0000, Kate McMurry wrote:
> does. My need to follow an idea, or a relationship, to the end of the line,
I thought you were writing about me, until I reaalized the age was nearly 6 years behind! :)
> very gradualy, since that time, I've been learning to only put my energy
Well, definitely not me, I'm supposed to be a Priest... Shrug it off! We all love you, Kate. You have done us a heaven of a job. Sign on, lurk in until you finish your novel and get back in business!
> the universe) to me. He said, "You are writing for yourself," and after
Aren't we all doing it for ourselves eventually? Thinking that we are doing anything for others is part of our fantasy that boosts our ego and helps us feel good and keep doing it! Priest language!
> I did some channeling about it with Michael and my primary guides regarding
That is all great, for yourself, but what matters most is your input that applies to any of us as you had been doing. Stick to the essence of that, even if you feel forced to change the form to please most of us.
> Since I've been getting requests lately from friends for channeling
You don't need to show that to us. We trust your work. A genunine Michael reading (regardless of what is used as a focus: a photograph, a voice recording, hadwriting, a pir of socks, a cap or anything in-between :)...) will be validated in time. Sorry. I do get carried away myself... Jose Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:08:33 EST In reading the list over the past two months (and this has been my first opportunity to listen and communicate in this fashion!) I've found it's become a new part of my life - and very interesting! As some of the posts got longer it does take more time to go through. But I thought the whole point of this is to share with each other and learn together about ourselves and the experience we have before us and all together at the same time! In that light all is welcome and if I'm tired or not interested I can scroll through or save it for another day. Most important, from my humble perspective, I find the people and ideas inside all of the posts very stimulating and much more "real" than many other parts of my day in the business world! Best to All! Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 19:01:38 -0800 Dave, Barbara Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:39:43 -0800
| From: JoyaPope
I would just like to say that I agree with Joya 100% here.
/ From: Kate McMurry
Nope; as mentioned in my last post, I use the archive feature like a BBS. Dave spoke to this in his post.
/ I'd be interested in both of your opinions and those of any one else who
It's just a list of links, one for each message/post. You select them with your browser like other links.
/ I understand that the old adage, "Press the Delete button if you don't
I think the use of the digest mode exacerbates the situation (everything comes in one clump). Another possibility for those with decent mail clients (=not= Netscape or AOL) is to create a filter and folder for list traffic. That way all messages from the list go to that folder, and can be perused at one's leisure and deleted as appropriate.
/ I realize we all have a cultural imprint of Impatience, of course,
Some more than others...
/ so it's probably good to cater to that and assume that most people are
I hope it's not really "most".
/ What are the possibilties for people getting the Digest to print out
Wastes natural resources. I don't read the long ones online, but save them to a file for reading offline. With a decent email client, offline reading is also a normal capability.
/ Would you have to copy part of the digest into your word-processing
That should work.
/ Maybe the problem here is mainly for people coming to the internet from
It may be convenient but it's also very lame compared to a good client.
/ In this regard, Saturday night when I was talking to Shepherd, he said
That, of course, is very true. I had that idea while writing my last post, but in the context of for yourself as well as others (I didn't say anything because I thought it would sound too "preachy").
/ I don't have a Web site yet and don't know when I might make one.
While I agree with Shepherd that posting long articles to a Web site would decrease the volume of traffic on the list, it would also require those who wish to read the articles to go through an extra process to do so (not to mention extra hassle for you). Then there is the question of how large does an article have to be before it "should" go to the Web site? And who decides what that value is? I would prefer that you continue to post your articles, however long they may be, to the list. Regards, Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:05:15 +0900 (JST) At 02:00 09/12/1997 -0000, Dave wrote:
> to my box late at times, I often will persuse the archives to check for new
As that requires reading on-line, it may increase the cost of telephone calls considerably, for some people. I have visited the archives only to have an idea of what has appeared before.
> and I can say that just reading the archives is a much easier task. A person
The same can be done if we select to receive all postings by e-mail. One can create a folder called OnHold and transfer over to it all the messages that you you want to open later. If of no interest, or not worth keeping, close it and hit the Delete key. Eudora still offer you a second chance by transferring deleted messages to a Trash box that you need to clear periodically. Some mail readers allow filtering, which can do that automatically. I am using a version of Eudora without filtering, but can be very useful, as long as it is not used as a form of discrimination. Some mailing lists also allow reading the postings using a newsreader like Agent or its freeware version, FreeAgent, that offers a structure that is very similar to an archive, by threads (subjects and all follow-up postings), with the same advantage that you can check for new postings anytime. Lori, could check if the SpiritWeb mailing lists can be received using a newsreader? I hope this is any help. Jose Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:03:09 EST In a message dated 97-12-09 13:38:48 EST, Jose writes:
<< to my box late at times, I often will persuse the archives to check for new
Well, actually...that previous comment of mine was just my way of unmercifully taunting those who don't pay a low monthly fee for unlimited access. Aren't I evil? ;-p Dave - Proud entrepreneur of first Gatorade concession stand in Hell. :-) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:12:50 EST
<< Dear Kate,
Anita, I think you meant to say "definitely don't." ;-p heh heh And I agree. Kate should stay. :-) BTW, has anyone else noticed that getting mail to this list has been slow lately? Dave Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:41:02 -0500 Jose wrote:
I still do not want to make money come first, as I accept that money is
PJ wrote:
By your post I feel you have been highly successful in this regard. I
- - - Kenneth writes in response: As you put your attention and intention on what ever reality you care to be a participant in, the universe will create that reality, and include you in that reality. This especially if this reality involves your essential (of essence) life path. The more focus on the desired reality the quicker and in greater depth will the new reality be manifest. a) I have learned that it is much better to petition the universe for what you want rather than ask for the money to buy what you want. If the universe sees fit to supply you with money to buy what you want then so be it. However, money is far from the only way to get what you want. b) I have learned that we are all connected to everything and everyone in the universe, and as such we have a definite effect on everything in the universe. Even on our own wishes and dreams. c) Like many many before me have said, if you wish something to manifest in your life, then know that it is already manifest and right now. This happens because on higher levels the very moment you image a reality in your mind, that same reality is immediately manifest in higher realms. Needing only more energy to manifest it in physical reality. d) If you then say "but I do not see it" then you will not see it. e) Determine what you want exactly, and petition for that. Tell the universe of your gratitude for already having... whatever it is. Mentally image yourself as strongly and clearly partaking of the reality that you want. f) Regard the universe as infinitely beneficent and caring of your personal life and feelings. Below is a slightly modified extract of my posting regarding "Metaphysical Semantics" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was raised to believe that one did not tell God what to do, and that one had to accept whichever way we thought that God answered our prayers. I have since noted the following: Re: God - Who or what are you really praying to? The Supreme Being or Michaelangelo's bearded muscular white man. I prefer to deal with the Total Universe because that's where the Universal Supply is. Re: Supplication - If there is no power in the supplication there will be little response from the Universe. Supplication is "Asking". The more energy you put into your statement, the more likely you'll get a satisfactory response. I suggest that you "Tell" the universe what it is you prefer in your life. and I suggest that you tell "in the present". Re: Emotions - now this is a great source of personal manifesting power. I suggest transforming the focus energy of emotions from "lack", "lonliness", "not working", etc to "possessing now", "social fulfillment", "wonderfully employed", etc. Once you've emotionally noted an undesirable situation, let go of the emotional attachment to that situation, and re-focus that powerful energy to the creation of whatever you "prefer" to have. Re: Fears and Confusions - Again change their energies to Confidence and Clarity and then use these new energies to declare that you "now have" whatever you prefer. Really powerful prayer is a "declaration" of present moment existence, not an "asking" for something in the future. The watch phrase is "Upright Humility", not "head-bowed humiliation" If you manifest something that is not to your liking you can release it from your life, undo any harm that may have been done, and then try again to manifest your preference Do you want the joyous work situation in your "hands", or "integral to your life"? The universe tends to be very literal. I once meditated on having hundreds of thousands of dollars in my hands. Lo and behold two days later I got a job in the counting room of a large bank. People usually "see" things that are outside of their personal inner existence. Can you see "your joyous work situation" as "inside of" of your personal existence. In your meditations and visualizations don't just "see yourself" in your visualizations, actually "be yourself" in your visualizations. This is extremely important. Do you want to "be in your joyous work situation", or only be "ready to receive" your joyous work situation? "I have it" is good, however I've found that pronouns contain less power than the real thing. "I have my joyous work situation." is much much stronger than "I have it". Also, notice the use of the "possessive" pronoun "my". Claim what you care to have. Do not possess what ever you care to not possess. How often do you say "my headache" or "my arthritis." Feel free to ask me any other questions re this powerful subject of manifestation. --- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:22:17 -0800
| From: Jose Caldeira
I think in order for this to occur the messages would have to be posted to a newsgroup somewhere (there are email-to-news services available).
| like Agent or its freeware version, FreeAgent, that offers a structure
In Agent you can have folders messages, as well as newsgroups messages, ordered by thread (I don't know about Free Agent). This means email messages can be threaded since email goes to one or more folders (filtering can send email to different folders depending on email content). Regards, Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:17:24 -0600 (CST) Kenneth, Definately the things that have seemed easiest to manifest were those that were closest to my path. Often they have appeared and I was surprised to see them. Only later would I realize that I had indeed been holding the thought that they would be helpful to me. Funny how that works. At the other extreme, the times I have probably been the most most focused with manifesting have been when I have been very motivated to unmanifest an illness. On ocassion, insight into why I have had an illness has led to its quick departure. The hardest part of manifesting for me is remembering to be more consciously active in the process, instead of just (always) being active in the process. I printed your post, but I'd really prefer to get it tattooed on my lobes. ----John Clark Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:07:44 +0000
> I went searching for a way to fight it and found it. Out of
I had never heard of using MSM in humans, but we use it with great success in horses with leg and joint problems. John Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:18:28 -0300 I have just subscribe to this list and I have an answer. Is this list only about long postings? Thank you Joaquin del Campo Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:16:15 -0800 I came across this the other day...it's from my notes on the 4 Pillars of Vitality Balancing of the four pillars is one of the necessary ingredients for the successful advancement of a person=92s life. When someone feels fatigued or overworked (=91stressed out=92), increased attention to the pillars of True Rest and True Play will provide immediate benefit. Some Roles need more of one pillar than others. For example: * Sages and Artisans (expressive) require large amounts of True Play Another way to increase your weekly or daily exposure to these Trues, is to spend time with the roles who most comfortably and naturally gravitate towards that pillar. Barbara Taylor Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:24:08 -0600 (CST) It appears that since the tragic death of Princess Diana no one has stepped forward to fill the beauty position she held so ably. It has been far too long. I myself am noticing the loss. Poinsettas no longer beam the radiance they once did, and roses don't smell as sweet. The clouds in the sky often look like clouds. And don't ask me what it's like looking in the mirror. So I guess if no one else is going to do it, I wil reluctantly step forward and fill the role. For the sake of the world. Almost immediately, I imagine, you are wondering what I look like (you shallow people you). Well, I can tell you - even though it doesn't matter - that I am a white male with years fewer than 41. Most of my hair is not grey and my percentage of bodyfat is not much more than 41. If you asked me who I resemble I would have to say Princess Di on lots and lots of testosterone. I know the job will not be all glamour. Designer dress fittings, the instability of high heels and the painful removal of body hair will all be harsh realities of the position. Nevertheless, I fully expect to weather these difficulties with grace and applomb as, indeed, I will be weathering them for the whole world. Chins up! Of some concern to me however is the relationship I will be expected to maintain with Prince Charles. I don't know what his expectations, or hopes, are in this matter, but they could prove to be troublesome. Doesn't he realize he will have to share me with the whole world? Which brings us to the paparazzi. I feel I am especially well-prepared to deal with that rowdy crowd after having traveled through chilhood with my mother's 8mm movie camera in my face at every so-called vacation photo-op. One caveat, just don't ask me to be beautiful before 8:30 am, London or Eastern standard time. It won't be an easy task. But I am certain I can bring the world to an appreciation of beauty it has never before considered. Best Wishes, Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:02:35 -0500 (EST) Wow what a post. Lady Athena Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:49:51 +0900 (JST) At 19:11 13/12/1997 -0000, Barbara Taylor wrote:
> * Priests and Servers (inspiration) require large amounts of True Rest
I thought I was joking to myself when I came up with a question as I read your posting, but, no, my common sense key screamed, 'Idiot, you're not joking...' Result: 1. What is True Rest and what is True Play? 2. Before getting a reply, may I ask, What to do when one is mixing / blending the two and indunging oneself in both? Undecided on how to finish this message :) ..., Jose Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:03:29 -0800 Jose and others, -- Date:Sun, 14 Dec 1997 03:08:51 -0400 Barbara Taylor wrote:
Priests and Servers (inspiration) require large amounts of True Rest
Jose said:
I thought I was joking to myself when I came up with a question as I read
Hey Jose, let me take a guess....hmm...mixing, blending, indulging, true rest and true play, .....hmm....sounds like making love to me. Did I guess it right? did I? did I? 2 points if I did, Mixchel Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:15:42 -0800 MIxchel, Barbara Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:10:13 -0800
> It won't be an easy task. But I am certain I can bring the world to an
I'm sure you can John!!! Hehehe, thanks for the laughs, you're very funny...as is Jose, and Mixchel.... :^) What a nice way to start this rainy, windy December morning here on this side of the planet. But from what I heard, Princess Di was mainly in the Muse position in the world. But Beauty, I'm sure you're right she was in that position for a lot of people too. And if you want it now, you've got my vote! Like Sheryl Crow says, "I think a change would do you good." ;-p I was going to make a Lorena Bobbit joke here but I'll restrain myself. In jest, (as opposed to ingest) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:57:48 EST In a message dated 97-12-13 19:41:22 EST, John Clark writes:
<< It won't be an easy task. But I am certain I can bring the world to an
Well, John, I wish to challenge your title with my own personal accuterments. Admitedly, I don't possess all of your natural endowments, but I'm proud to say that my falsies give the appearance of defying all laws of gravity - some even call them "perky." In addition, with my 9-inch heels that boast flabby hairy calves, my braided arm-pit hair, my glistening nose hair that stretches the length of the Alaskan pipelines, and that tattoo between my legs that says "Over One Million Served," I think its safe to say that my alluring presence promotes much head turning (in a 360 axis) and a sense of stunned disbelief that is certainly the prerequisite for anyone striving to attain a position of beauty. Of course, if Michael would create a new position for me entitled, "Ignorant Slut," then you could retain your crown of Beauty and I could, uh...er.....serve a certain 1050 souls somewhere on the Causal plane. Ah, I wonder if that would make me the ghost with the most? Dave - with the most remarkable Early American features -- buffalo. ;-p
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:33:09 -0800 Just got these poems and thought you might enjoy them... :^)
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:30:27 EST On behalf of everyone on the list, I'd like to express my extreme gratitude to John for his willingness to step in to fill the illustrious heels of Princess Diana in the beauty position for all humanity. How proud we can all be to have one of our own in the Palace! As for Prince Charles, he has always shown great flexibility and I'm sure that there will be no problem with him sharing John (Lady John? Princess John?) with the rest of the world. I have a couple requests of our new celebrity. The first is that I hope that John will be able to take time away from his busy schedule to share some of his beauty tips with the rest of us on the list from time to time. Maybe he could even contribute a regular column. The second is that I'd like the privilege of writing his authorized biography. Rest assured that I would do it with the dignity and discretion appropriate to his position. Sincerely, P.S. John, I'm sure we'd all be thrilled if you'd post some pictures on the Web.
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