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THE POSTS:

 

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:36:02 -0800
Subject: Re: Princess Diana

Princess Diana served as the Beauty position for England (and perhaps for lots of others. Now that she's gone, there is no one in that position. She's moving to the Muse position (similar to Elvis Presley).

--
Barbara Taylor


Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:44:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Introduction

I want to introduce myself, since I am new to this list. My name is Jeanne Holley and I have been a student of Michael's teachings since Chelsea Quinn Yarbro's first book was published. However, I moved from Denver to Southeast Missouri 15 years ago and it has been nearly impossible to find others with my interests. I went online 6 weeks ago and I'm thrilled to find all of you out there. I feel so alive again. Haven't turned on the TV in days.

Thanks for being here.

Jeanne Holley


Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:56:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Introduction

Welcome Jeanne,

Go turn on that TV right now. You are missing some really important Jon Benet Ramsey speculation regurgitation on American Journal.

John


Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:27:57 -0800
Subject: Re: The 4 Pillars and the Roles (1997-49/325)

 

| From: Barbara Taylor
|
| I came across this the other day...it's from my notes on the 4 Pillars
| of Vitality
|
| Balancing of the four pillars is one of the necessary ingredients for
| the successful advancement of a person’s life. When someone feels
| fatigued or overworked (‘stressed out’), increased attention to the
| pillars of True Rest and True Play will provide immediate benefit.
|
| Some Roles need more of one pillar than others. For example:
|
| · Sages and Artisans (expressive) require large amounts of True Play
| · Priests and Servers (inspiration) require large amounts of True Rest
| · Warriors and Kings (action) require large amounts of True Work
| · Scholars (assimilation) require large amounts of True Study.
|
| Another way to increase your weekly or daily exposure to these Trues, is
| to spend time with the roles who most comfortably and naturally
| gravitate towards that pillar.

 

This is from _Michael's People_ -

 

The purpose of the life task is to use the focused energy of the essence in the framework of capabilities provided by the Overleaves. In a very real sense, the Overleaves are chosen to permit the fragment to complete the life task, should the fragment choose to do so. The purpose of true rest is to restore the fragment so that the energy is available for the task at hand and the life task. The purpose of true play is to "ground" the fragment, so that the energy is not scattered or diverted from the life task when the fragment chooses to pursue it. The purpose of true study is to provide focus for the fragment, so that the energy may be applied in the way that the fragment finds most in accord with the selected attitude of the Overleaves. The function of the life task, or, if you will, true work, is related to the Action polarity; the function of true rest is related to the Inspiration polarity; the function of true play is related to the Expression polarity; the function of true study is related to the Scholar neutrality. Those fragments whose polarities correspond to the rest/study/work/play functions will tend to put greater emphasis on that function. In other words, a Priest or [Server] is more likely to "require" more true rest than those on other polarities or in the neutral position. /28

 

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:46:25 -0800
Subject: Re: The 4 Pillars

Dick,
    Thanks for that post! I'd "forgotten" there was pillar information in that book, even though it's listed in my Concordance. Also, there are a couple pages in "Transforming Your Dragons" pages 370-372 for those who have that book (that's the chapter titled "Discovering Happiness").

--
Barbara Taylor


Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:39:55 -0600
Subject: Introduction

Hello Michael Teachings List,

    I've just joined and am looking forward in meeting a greater Michael community. I live in Ft. Worth, Texas and have been active in the Michael Teachings for over 10 years. I am an Old soul-4th level Sage with a Scholar E.T. Since I don't yet know your protocol here, I don't know if there is anything else I should say as a way of introduction. If so, please let me know. As a sage, I do share quite a bit of information. Thanks,

John Macchietto (Hat)


Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:49:12 EST
Subject: Re: Introduction

In a message dated 97-12-16 14:55:48 EST, John Macchietto writes:

 

<< Hello Michael Teachings List,

I've just joined and am looking forward in meeting a greater Michael
community. I live in Ft. Worth, Texas and have been active in the
Michael Teachings for over 10 years. I am an Old soul-4th level Sage
with a Scholar E.T. Since I don't yet know your protocol here, I don't
know if there is anything else I should say as a way of introduction.
If so, please let me know. As a sage, I do share quite a bit of
information. Thanks,

John Macchietto (Hat) >>

 

Greetings John

Welcome to the Michael list and be assured that we wont hold it against you that you're from Texas. Essentially, I believe you'll find this to be a very affable group, despite the fact that the majority of us are the reincarnated fragments from the Salem witch trials. In addition, your loquacious Sage-like vernacular will be warmly embraced in this forum. In fact, we pride ourselves with the motto, "in one ear, out the other, and over the back fence," so please, feel free to share with us your most intimate secrets. Concerning the protocol of your introduction, you'll be delighted to know that we no longer require live human sacrifice as part of the initiation process, but in keeping with the prevailing yuletide festivities, we do require that you add a stanza to the following reworked lyrics of this popular song:

(Sung to "The Christmas Song")

Chipmonks roasting on an open fire.
Jack Frost picking at your nose.
Tiny tots, their pajamas all ablaze,
and Dad dressed up in panty hose.

Everybody knows that Nightshade with some Mistletoe,
can make the season quite a fright.
Those tiny tots, their bones charred by the fire,
their folks will hardly sleep tonight.

{ADD YOUR STANZA FOR THE BRIDGE - "HERE"}
(or perhaps include a good joke about corndogs)
Merry Christmas and have a Cool Yule!

Dave :-)


Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:58:30 -0600
Subject: Initiation Song

Thanks Dave,

    I appreciate the greeting. So were you the Witch or the Witchee back in those early Salem days?

    I'm glad you gave up the human sacrafice thing. It usually take me a whole roll of dental floss after one of those rituals. Blahh.

Now for the verse:

 

> Chipmonks roasting on an open fire.
> Jack Frost picking at your nose.
> Tiny tots, their pajamas all ablaze,
> and Dad dressed up in panty hose.
>
> Everybody knows that Nightshade with some Mistletoe,
> can make the season quite a fright.
> Those tiny tots, their bones charred by the fire,
> their folks will hardly sleep tonight.

 

New verse:

 

They know that Santa's come to play
While they sleep he comes to take their toys away --
With every child's sigh, he takes delight
Especially wailing that's incessant through the night.

 


Date:Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:35:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Introductions

Hey Dave,and a BIG HOWDY to John and all,

Whats wrong with being from Texas?
I was born in Lubbock, Texas and proud to have left there.I mean......been there and done that.I mean.....never mind. How I made it as far away as South America well........Texans like big so I move around in a big way!

So welcome John,the Hat. From lil ole me way down in Chile

    M'Ixchel (pronounced Mee shell)

2nd Old Priest ( sounds like a hand-me-down from a recycling center)
Perseverance mode with occational thunder storms...I mean dynamic aggression
Artisan essence twin (where oh where are you?)
Intellectual center, emotional part
with an impatient Dragon
Have I forgotten anything?
True rest and True play combined.......my favorite battery recharger


Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:38:32 -0800
Subject: Re: fwd: from  (1997-50/343)

 

| From :
|
| Good day
|
| I'm new to this group, so excuse if I ask questions that have already
| dealt with here.
|
| I have two questions:
|
| 1. What is the difference between an essence twin and twin flames?

 

According to Shepherd in _Journey_ -

 

An essence twin is a soul we team up with for an entire grand cycle to reflect ourselves back to us; it is the most intense relationship we can have. It is synonymous with the terms =twin flame= and =twin soul=, but not necessarily with =soul mate=. /238

 

 

| 2. When you have done something nasty to a person in a previous life and
| you meet that person in this life and this person does something nasty
| back to you to pay you back, does that person's action towards you
| create new debt for that person or is the whole thing now forgotten?

 

It could be either situation. It would depend in part on how serious the action was. Some place in the early Yarbro books Michael says that bad manners do not create karma (I am unable to find the reference at this time). If it was serious enough to create a karmic ribbon, the burning of it can involve reciprocal action. But, from _Messages_ -

Must karmic debts be paid an eye for an eye?

 

Not necessarily, though it is sometimes the case. It is to be hoped that through growth and understanding as well as spiritual evolution the payment may be less drastic. /167

 

Also, from _More Messages_ -

 

Agreements and monads that involve actions that might, under other circumstances be karmic, carry the strength of choice with them, and cannot be regarded in the same way that karmic associations are perceived. /158

 

 

| For example, I (a very small and thin female) was bullied as a child
| (for 18 years) by my (much older and stronger) brother. I believe that
| I have chosen to grow up in that situation. Maybe I bullied my brother
| in a previous life - who knows. The question is now, did my brother
| create new bad karma for himself?

 

Again, it could be either case. Also WRT karma - in the early Yarbro books Michael explains that karma is created when an action occurs that deprives a fragment of choice. Some examples are murder, false imprisonment, abandonment that results in death, serious forms of brain washing, etc. I think there is new information about seven levels of karma, but so far I have seen nothing on that.

 

| Another example, when I was 12 years old my parents moved from a village
| where I spent a happy childhood to a city where they bought a house in
| an 'embarrassing' part of town. My parents could afford better, and
| they had numerous opportunities to move, but they stay stuck and are
| still living there... To this day my sister gets anxiety attacks when
| she drives into that suburb to visit my parents. OK, once again I know
| that there was a lesson in this and that I have chosen this. However,
| are my parents guilty? Have they created bad karma for themselves?

 

Not every life goes as originally planned. I think it's probably the case that most don't. So when you were planning your current life maybe you didn't plan on that particular aspect. But that kind of unplanned occurrence is one result of our free will. As to your parents having created karma - sure, it's possible, but I would say not conclusive. There are so many variables that go into our experiences here that it's difficult to really know what's going on. Michael, through a good channel, should be able to give you some insight.

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 04:32:09 -0600
Subject: Re: Introductions

Hi Mixchel,

    Thanks for the greeting and your overleaves. Was I to do the same?

 

Old 4th level Sage
Scholar ET
Growth goal
Observation mode (sliding to passion)
Pragmatist attitude
self-deprication chief feature
Venus body type (80%)
75 frequency; 2/3 female energy
And, oh yes, I'm single *snicker*

 

    I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born (thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul make his/her debut?

John Macchietto


Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:40:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul

On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote:

 

> I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other
> metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born
> (thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael
> context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the
> Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach
> from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul
> make his/her debut?
>
> John Macchietto

 

In a private session, Michael told me that there are now two Infinite Souls on the planet.
One is Mother Meera in Germany and the other is a young boy in Siberia. I'm not sure of their "status" at this time (whether or not the Infinite Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.) In her book _Upcoming Changes_, Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera and I believe she states that at the time of the writing, she was still a Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify?

I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul. People by the tens of thousands (or more?) have gone to Germany to sit darshan with her. I know that I feel a special, loving energy when I look at her picture, which sits on my dresser. You might find her web site interesting.

Hope this helps!

Take care all,
Janet


Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:40:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul

On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote:

 

> I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other
> metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born
> (thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael
> context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the
> Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach
> from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul
> make his/her debut?
>
> John Macchietto

 

In a private session, Michael told me that there are now two Infinite Souls on the planet.
One is Mother Meera in Germany and the other is a young boy in Siberia. I'm not sure of their "status" at this time (whether or not the Infinite Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.) In her book _Upcoming Changes_, Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera and I believe she states that at the time of the writing, she was still a Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify?

I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul. People by the tens of thousands (or more?) have gone to Germany to sit darshan with her. I know that I feel a special, loving energy when I look at her picture, which sits on my dresser. You might find her web site interesting.

Hope this helps!

Take care all,
Janet


Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:05:35 EST
Subject: 4 pillars/Introduction

Hello!

Here's another introduction, if it actually posts to the board. I've been trying to get in for quite a while and spiritweb seems equally determined to keep yet another sage out! I am also a Texan Sage, 5th old, Scholar ET, power, growth, realist, int center/moving part, CF arrogance.

In light of my particular overleaves I have a general question for you all in reference to Dick's comment of:

 

<<< The purpose of the life task is to use the focused energy of the essence in the framework of capabilities provided by the Overleaves. In a very real sense, the Overleaves are chosen to permit the fragment to complete the life task, should the fragment choose to do so. >>>

 

Michael tells me that "a large portion of [my] life task has to do with dissemination of [my] own perspective gained through experience...." I was struck somewhat by a seeming incongruity between my task and a goal of growth with a mode of power. On the surface I would have thought that Discrimination and Observation would seem to jive better with my task. For that matter, Growth and Power seem to be a tough assignment, in general, at 5th level old.... What do you guys think that the indications/ramifications are here???

Thanks for the help!! Kathy.


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:30:06 -0600
Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul

Thank you Janet.

    I went to the Mother Meera page. There's still a lot to digest there. I had never heard of her before. I have a friend who's an old 7th level priest who lives in San Antonio who went to a Jose Stephens seminar about a year ago. She told me that Stephens channelled that the Infinate Soul was considering 3 or 4 host bodies at the time and one lived in Mississippi. Talk about Mississippi burning.

John Macchietto


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:31:11 -0600
Subject: Re: Initiation Song

So Dave,

    Did you do a bout during the Spanish Inquisition too, Tokamata? Personally, I don't know if all the sagey comments between us would be too much for the group, but you never did tell me if I passed my initiation. Did you write those first two verses yourself or were they written by other Michael Teaching inductees?

    I incessantly wait for your response.

John


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:50:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Infinite Soul

Our panel of channels at the AMT conference and others in private sessions have said that the Infinite Soul is coming through many people as increased energy and awareness, rather than as a single person who will change the world. This coincides with moving from a hierarchal young soul structure (one person as the only leader) to a group-oriented mature soul structure (many are leaders).

--
Barbara Taylor


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:33:47 EST
Subject: Re: Growth and power for the life task

Kathy wrote:

 

> Michael tells me that "a large portion of [my] life task has to do with
> dissemination of [my] own perspective gained through experience...." I was
> struck somewhat by a seeming incongruity between my task and a goal of growth
> with a mode of power. On the surface I would have thought that Discrimination
> and Observation would seem to jive better with my task. For that matter,
> Growth and Power seem to be a tough assignment, in general, at 5th level
> old.... What do you guys think that the indications/ramifications are here???

 

Growth and power seem perfect to me for that task: growth keeps you seeking new experiences, and power amplifies your voice, so to speak, causing people to really listen.

All the best,
Shepherd


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:12:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul (1997-50/349)

 

| From: Janet Botto
|
| On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote:
|
| > I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other
| > metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born
| > (thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael
| > context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the
| > Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach
| > from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul
| > make his/her debut?
| >
| > John Macchietto

 

This is from my notes of a group channel session in June 1996 -

Quite a bit of discussion followed, and the topic evolved into info about the Infinite soul and Transcendental souls.

Michael elaborated a bit on what they've previously said about the Infinite soul WRT manifestations during our current planetary shift. Yes, there will be multiple manifestations, with at least one woman. The incarnations will be widely dispersed; Michael gave examples of one for each major religion, with one for those with no religion.

There are no Infinite souls incarnate at this time (confirms prior information). The decisions of through whom they will incarnate have not been finalized. It's a bit like mate agreements - there are many prospects, to allow for the inevitable unexpected occurrences brought about by free choice.

Someone asked about Transcendental souls... Discussing both when one is mentioned occurs frequently, I suspect because of some people's confusion about them.

During the discussion several people asked about specific names - if they were Transcendental souls. Answer - some were, some weren't. Those who were had names I am unfamiliar with. Michael spoke of one person who has a Transcendental soul present for about 30% of the time.

Many women were Infinite souls in prior times. There were female- dominated societies prior to the male-dominated ones. The records have been lost, either because the societies were so early or because the following male-dominated ones chose to lose the records (if it was said which, I don't recall).

In agreement with that, from _Journey_ -

 

"An infinite soul will likely incarnate again within the next forty or fifty years through more than one individual, most likely three, one or more of them female. This will reveal and bring to bear different aspects of the infinite soul. However, nothing has been definitely decided yet. In fact, nothing in the universe is certain until it happens." /353

 

My copy of _Journey_ is from the first printing, so is a couple of years old.

Prior to that session I had received the following unsolicited information from a correspondent -

 

> The Lord Maitreya, The World Teacher
>
> Maitreya as He appeared in Nairobi, Kenya, June 11, 1988
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Who is Maitreya?
>
> He has been expected for generations by all of the major
> religions. Christians know Him as the Christ, and expect His
> imminent return. Jews await Him as the Messiah; Hindus look
> for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect Him as Maitreya
> Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah.

 

So at the session I asked if Maitreya is a Transcendental soul. Again from my notes -

 

Michael's answer - "Not yet." Note that this is for a Transcendental soul, not the Infinite soul. So we're talking the equivalent of Gandhi, not Christ, and the expectations above are a little off base. Not only that, but a Transcendental soul has not manifested in Maitreya yet, so by definition might not.

 

 

| In a private session, Michael told me that there are now two Infinite
| Souls on the planet.

 

Do you recall the date of that session?

 

| One is Mother Meera in Germany and the other is a young boy in Siberia.
| I'm not sure of their "status" at this time (whether or not the Infinite
| Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.)

 

I have a problem with this information for two reasons. First, the Infinite soul manifests so much energy that a human body cannot withstand it for long periods of time. Again from _Journey_ -

 

Because infinite soul energy, especially, is so intense, the human body cannot handle it for very long. For example, the actual incarnation of the infinite soul through Jesus occurred only thirty days before he completed his work. Before that, he was a seventh-level old king. /352

 

And don't forget the purpose of the Infinite soul's manifesting -

 

An infinite soul incarnates in order to catalyze massive spiritual change in a civilization, generally during a shift from one average soul age to another. /352

 

Not likely for a young boy.

The other reason is - the Infinite soul does not replace a Transcendental soul. The normal progression is for one or more Transcendental souls to precede manifestation(s) of the Infinite soul, but not in the same bodies. Recall that Transcendental souls walk in to bodies occupied by 6th or 7th level Old Priests while the Infinite soul replaces 7th level Old Kings.

 

| In her book _Upcoming Changes_, Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera and I
| believe she states that at the time of the writing, she was still a
| Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify?
|
| I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite
| Soul.

 

I seriously doubt that if the Infinite soul had manifested, the knowledge would not have become widely known quickly. Again from _Journey_ -

 

"You will probably be able to recognize the infinite soul without much problem." /353

 

 

| People by the tens of thousands (or more?) have gone to Germany to sit
| darshan with her. I know that I feel a special, loving energy when I
| look at her picture, which sits on my dresser. You might find her web
| site interestin.

 

I looked it up and found -

 

The Divine Mother has always been worshipped as the sustaining soul and force of the universe. Although some of the faces that she wears are well known -- Kali, the Virgin Mary, Isis, for example -- many of her embodied forms have chosen to work quietly in the world. In turbulent times such as these, several incarnations of the Divine Mother move among us, each with her particular task of healing or protection or transformation. One of the most widely revered and loved of these Avatars of the Divine Mother is Mother Meera, a young Indian woman who was born on December 26, 1960, in the village of Chandepalle in southern India.

 

I have seen nothing in any of the Michael books that references the "Divine Mother". So as far as I am concerned the title has no meaning. Maybe she is a Transcendental soul or is manifesting Transcendental energy.

More from _Journey_ -

 

"There are many people these days who are tapping in to higher energies, but the truly great rarely make claims. They allow their presence to make those claims for them." /356

 

And -

 

"There is one person now living who is a possible vehicle for this incarnation [Infinite soul], or so we hear. However, there will probably be as many as a hundred candidates 'lined up' so that the Tao can see who is the most apropos when the time comes. It is like your making several mate agreements before your lifetime. You generally do not expect to mate with all of them. You line them up as possibilities. When it comes time to mate, you decide based on how things are then." /353

 

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:14:09 -0800
Subject: Re: Infinite Soul (1997-50/355)

 

| From: Barbara Taylor
|
| Our panel of channels at the AMT conference and others in private
| sessions have said that the Infinite Soul is coming through many people
| as increased energy and awareness, rather than as a single person who
| will change the world. This coincides with moving from a hierarchal
| young soul structure (one person as the only leader) to a group-oriented
| mature soul structure (many are leaders).

 

Yes but we are not there yet. There are many Young souls (and young souls) who will need strong leadership to change their views. According to my information, which is less than two years old (see other thread), there will be several manifestations of the Infinite soul during this planetary shift. While there may have been changes in plans during this time, I doubt that it would be to the degree that there will be no full manifestations.

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:47:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: re infinite souls

All that Dick has posted about ifinite souls echoes what I have been hearing, mostly from Jose, for years.
Other info that I have heard is that the infinite soul energy is transmitted to the planet as a whole at the time it is being manifested by someone (such as Jesus).
So, what I've heard, is that while the Jesus-type person is carrying the infinite soul energy, the support people around him or her are also channeling the energy, albeit to a lesser degree.
If I am understanding this correctly, the energy will available to us all at that time. What an opportunity!
Questions come up. how will children handle the energy? Will they be even more open to it than adults, even those who are practiced at being open?
How will the world handle several infinite channels? Will they be treated like Jesus? Will they tone down their messages to avoid conflict.? Will the impetus they bring for change create more violence on the planet as some resist change?
One of the great failings of Christanity has been to focus on Jesus the man instead of his message. Will several channels appearing at once deflect the focus from their personalities?
Will they be from one plane -messianic, buddhaic ... or more than one (if that is how it works.
How will they use mass media?
A less serious thought: If the old testament was set during baby soul times and the new testament during the beginning of the young soul age, will we have to stick a newer testament on the Bible for the mature soul age? (Yes It will called General Hospital)
Jose had a beautifully poetic description of how the infinite soul energy comes to the planet. He said it was like a boat of ice melting into the waters of our energy here. ---John Clark


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:52:25 EST
Subject: List protocol..(was) re: initiation

In a message dated 97-12-18 08:37:23 EST, John writes:

 

<< So Dave,

Did you do a bout during the Spanish Inquisition too, Tokamata?
Personally, I don't know if all the sagey comments between us would be
too much for the group, but you never did tell me if I passed my
initiation. Did you write those first two verses yourself or were they
written by other Michael Teaching inductees?

I incessantly wait for your response.

John >>

 

John

Sagey posts? Well, you obviously missed the "Long Posts conflict" from a couple weeks back. Scroll through the archives and behold Michael's teachings of agape being faithfully practiced right here on this list. ;-p
Concerning the verses, I believe they were written by my evil guide, Guido. He's quite perspicacious, yet prone to practical jokes, and favors a decidely pugnacious temperment.
BTW, since nobody has briefed you on protocol, here are a few rules:

1. When addressing a Michael channel, always preface their first name with "Your highness, or "esteemed and noble(insert name here)....," e.g., a typical salutation might be (if the channel was named Bob), "Greetings, esteemed and noble "Bob", how may I serve you today?" IMPORTANT NOTE: Never turn the channels on your T.V. and expect instant communication with Michael. However, recent scientific evidence has validated that turning the "brightness" knob on your television can immeasurably enhance your intelligence.
 

2. When being chastized by a Michael channel, always reply with, "thank you, sir, may I have another?"
 

3. When addressing a Michael student whose soul age places them at a heirachical advantage, always preface your comments to them with, "oh, greater one of higher status..." and etc...
 

4. When posting to the list, the rule of thumb should always be that "it's better to be glib than perceive." In addition, short, pithy statements like, "I agree," "tripindicular," or "in a pig's eye you asshole!," are ALWAYS encouraged.
 

5. Never forget to send Dave copious amounts of cash. I mean, a friggin' deluge, man.

Dave - and now for something completely different


Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:38:17 EST
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1997-12-19 of Michael Teachings List INFINITE SOULS

If the Infinite Soul is "living" among us in a recent incarnation, does this mean that physically he/she is still a child? Thus that person's impact would not manifest itself for, say, a decade?

I am very new to replying to this list, I finally feel as if I can ask a question.

Thanks!
Rona


Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:30:36 EST
Subject: Infinite souls

"Whereas other prophets spoke through words, through prophecies, through admonitions, through knowledge, through great deeds, Jesus spoke through the human experience. He knew it was not in the thunder or lightning, not in the loudness of words or the magnitude of deeds, but in the little things -- the kind word, the gentle touch -- that brought God into the hearts and minds of men and women. Instead of seeking to illustrate metaphysical truths, or demonstrate healing ability, or explain the laws of God and life, or gain followers, Jesus was motivated first and foremost, by compassion. Above all, Jesus taught, and demonstrated, love."

I don't know whose quote this is, but a couple things struck me in regard to Mother Meera who I have met and am longing to see again. She is an Indian woman who even in childhood set herself apart for the spiritual experiences and energies which happened to her. Coincidence has her living in a small baby soul populated German village a couple hours from Frankfort. She says simply she is here to bring a particular new form of energy on to the planet, And she give darshan by touching your head to pull tangled stuff and then looking into your eyes to a wide variety of people 4 evenings a week from her house which has gradually expanded to hold more people. Four connected villages now make lots of their income of visitors to see her. She lives modestly, cleans, shops, visits the dentist and works on construction projects on the house. She turns down magazine interviews (Time, Newsweek and others) and focuses on her work, bringing in this light. She doesn't talk much, her book Answers is mostly typical Hindu ways of looking at world, but I think the words aren't the point with her. Its holding the space for this new energy to come thru.

Meeting her, I expected to feel the huge light of a Sai Baba, the huge love of Ama Chi, a huge expanded transcendental aura, but to my amazement, found her to like a black hole--something I have never given thought to but suddenly it was the only apt description of her energy for me. She is a small, solid woman with the solidity being so strong the the black hole idea comes up for me, the whole universe easily and densely packed into one tiny body. No bright lights, no flamboyance at least at darshans, just precision, focus in working with each one of us, one at a time.

I can't think of her and not see infinite. Emily B. channels her as transcendental bringing in infinite energies. I can't imagine that infinite souls may only step into 7th level kings as correct channeling; reminds me of channeling saying everybody but priests can channel Michael. Is the universe so limited?

I know Jose does not believe she is infinite. Does not really matter for ultimately maybe we will know, maybe she stays really quiet forever, maybe we won't know. Maybe flashier souls come in with miracles everyplace and grab our attention. And maybe they are and maybe they aren't/

Seems like there is some glamour thing expected here, maybe some maya, some illusion, around that? And of course we are curious.

I do believe fully amped-infinite energy ruins bodies by burn-up quickly but also I believe that there are many ways to hold the energy to regulate it to protect the body.

I can't feel Mother Meera and get anything but infinite, but like all channeling one must verify, validate by interior resonance yourself.

I suppose the channeling about infinite souls in Siberia and Mississippi is about young bodies preparing for the entrance of infinite energies, and right maybe it happens and maybe it doesn't. In fact, the one I feel in Siberia seems like King/Artisan energy now

Hope this adds.

Joya


Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:46:21 -0600
Subject: Epicurus

I was just rereading "Messages" and read a passage regarding the Philosopher Epicurus. Two years ago I was given a new psychological test to determine my personality type and was told I was an "Epicurean". Does anyone know if Michael has ever made mention of the Essence of Epicurus.

I am just curious to see if I am the same Essence as he was.

Thanks.

Jeanne Holley


Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:49:44 -0800
Subject: Re: re infinite souls (1997-50/359)

 

| From: John Clark
|
| All that Dick has posted about ifinite souls echoes what I have been
| hearing, mostly from Jose, for years. Other info that I have heard is
| that the infinite soul energy is transmitted to the planet as a whole at
| the time it is being manifested by someone (such as Jesus). So, what
| I've heard, is that while the Jesus-type person is carrying the infinite
| soul energy, the support people around him or her are also channeling
| the energy, albeit to a lesser degree. If I am understanding this
| correctly, the energy will available to us all at that time. What an
| opportunity!

 

Indeed. From _More Messages_ -

 

The experience of the manifestation of the transcendental soul on the physical plane does much to make astral fragments more accessible to those on the physical plane. The experience of the manifestation of the infinite soul on the physical plane brings more mid-causal teachers--reunited entities such as we are--to seeking students on the physical plane. While those on the physical plane are not yet into the sixth or seventh cycles, which are experienced on the astral and causal planes, validation of these cycles is possible for even very young souls during manifestations of the transcendental and infinite souls. /202

 

 

| Questions come up. how will children handle the energy? Will they be
| even more open to it than adults, even those who are practiced at being
| open?

 

Likely, IMO.

 

| How will the world handle several infinite channels? Will they be
| treated like Jesus?

 

Probably by some.

 

| Will they tone down their messages to avoid conflict.?

 

I should hope not. If conflict is to be a part of the transition, so be it.

 

| Will the impetus they bring for change create more violence on the
| planet as some resist change?

 

Very possibly among early cycle individuals.

 

| One of the great failings of Christanity has been to focus on Jesus the
| man instead of his message.

 

Much of that occurred after the fact, promulgated by others. From _Messages_ -

 

The essential teaching of Christianity had its roots, of course, in a manifestation of the infinite soul, but like most bureaucracies it was perpetuated by young priests in the passion mode, at their most zealous, who were willing to interject their own biases into the material. Today's Christianity bears little resemblance to the teachings of the man Jesus or to the Logos brought to bear by the infinite soul. ... The old king who was the man Jesus relinquished his physical body to the infinite soul only during the last thirty days of his life. Prior to that, the teaching was that of a seventh-level old king, transcendent, an enlightened being. ... Much of the chronology of the events in this man's life is confused, distorted, and in some instances, wholly fictionalized. /183

 

 

| Will several channels appearing at once deflect the focus from their
| personalities?

 

That will probably depend a lot on circumstances. E.g., how well-known is it that there are multiple manifestations? If that is known, are the others' personalities known? Etc.

 

| Will they be from one plane -messianic, buddhaic ... or more than one
| (if that is how it works.

 

Good question - I didn't think to ask when I had the opportunity. In _Journey_, Shepherd notes -

 

When the infinite soul walked in through Jesus, it was a representative of a reunited messianic-plane cadre that channeled the Tao's energy inspirationally, since the messianic plane is the cardinal inspiration plane. /352

 

 

| How will they use mass media?

 

Hopefully they won't (won't need to).

 

| A less serious thought: If the old testament was set during baby soul
| times and the new testament during the beginning of the young soul age,
| will we have to stick a newer testament on the Bible for the mature soul age?

 

Possibly, for those who need it.

 

| Jose had a beautifully poetic description of how the infinite soul
| energy comes to the planet. He said it was like a boat of ice melting
| into the waters of our energy here.---John Clark

 

"Beautifully poetic"? Sounds kind of weird to me. :-/

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:50:03 -0800
Subject: Re: INFINITE SOULS (1997-50/361)

 

| From: Beejack123
|
| If the Infinite Soul is "living" among us in a recent incarnation, does
| this mean that physically he/she is still a child? Thus that person's
| impact would not manifest itself for, say, a decade?

 

See my message -

Archive of Michael Teachings List (1997-50/357)

...for information about that.

 

| I am very new to replying to this list, I finally feel as if I can ask
| a question.
|
| Thanks!
| Rona

 

You picked a good topic to jump in on. Welcome!

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:29:10 EST
Subject: Infinite Soul

Joya, I loved your post about Mother Meera. Sometimes the most profound is the most subtle. Having read it, I would like to meet her, if and when I ever get to Europe.

I wonder if much of the disagreement here and throughout the Michael teachings relates to semantics, to the fact that we're using the same terms but define them a little differently. So technically, the way you define "infinite soul," Mother Meera might be one, whereas the way terms were originally defined in Yarbro, she might be described in another way. In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one.

There are many tremendous, powerful healers on the planet, often with one "specialty." I was deeply moved by the story told by Michael Harner of a remarkable Indian woman who merely touched people and healed them. She wanted to study with him to learn how to journey shamanistically, and just couldn't do it; she was not a visual person. She broke down in tears in the frustration, yet she had another gift that most people would value above any other.

In Yarbro and in Sarah Chamber's original Michael channeling, the terms "infinite soul" and "transcendental soul" referred to a complete walkout of the original incarnating soul, and a total takeover of the body by a soul who normally resides in a reunited cadre or entity, respectively, on a high plane. I would liken that to having Michael in my body (with me gone) 24 hours a day. Even if the energy were modulated and everything possible was done to protect my body, I don't think that my body would survive long with that intensity that it wasn't designed for, like running 220 volts through a 110 appliance. On the other hand, it's possible that the body could be transmuted, raised in vibration so that it could last--anything is possible, especially in this new age we are entering.

According to my channeling, there are no transcendental or infinite souls as defined in Yarbro currently on earth, but lots of people bringing in those energies part-time, including channels.

All the best,
Shepherd


Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:13:24 -0600
Subject: Re: Infinite Soul

Thank you Shepherd. I have been very confused by the concept of the Infinite Soul coming through many people at once. My small understanding of the Michael Teachings was that the Infinite Soul would come as a "walk in" through one who was a Transcendent Being. Again, as you say, this may all be semantics, but I find it very confusing. Since, at this time, I don't "channel" at all, I find myself skeptical of so many "old souls" "channeling" Michael all of the time. I am attempting to clarify much of this through studying the "archives", but some of it confuses me even further. Semantics I understand.

Jeanne Holley



 


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