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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:45:21 +0900 (JST) At 06:04 10/11/1997 -0000, Bill & Carmen Lanning wrote:
> I hope to keep involved in the Michael students and books and perhaps Bill, It is reassuring to see someone like you, from the religious establishment, becoming a Michael student as a symptom of the consciounsness shift that we are going through. Jose Caldeira Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:32:57 -0800 Dear Bill, Barbara Taylor "The past cannot be changed, but the future is whatever you want it to be" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:09:11 +0900 (JST) At 19:31 10/11/1997 -0000, Barbara Taylor wrote:
> Dear Bill,
Barbara, I appreciate those comments. I, myself, often feel intensely the energy of whatever entity or living person's energy I am connecting to. I can mention Michael (through various bridges), Orin and Daben (through Sanaya and Duane Packer) and Edgar Cayce; among special living beings that I often feel from a distance, one that is known to us here is Joya Pope, and here in Japan I have some very good friends who are direct students of Sanaya and Duane. What I find interesting in some people, myself not included, is that after long professional or amateur practice of things like the Tarot or any divination or so called fortune-telling method, they take a quantum leap into a variety of forms of deliberate channeling. My major quantum leap was into channeling healing energy. I now realize how much unperceived connection there has always been, but one that struck me most in my earlier days of spiritual awareness was when I was editing some photos that I had taken of a very creative young Japanese designer's show and had this speck of light floating over the slides as I glanced at them. Recently, it was amazing how once clicking away after being late and catching only the last quarter of this designer's show, a lot of the photos taken in that short period of time were published. So, this designer, whether she is aware of it or not, is firmly guided in her creativity and her guides connect with those of us who appreciate her work. I subscribe to your comments, Barbara. Thank you. Jose Caldeira Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:09:21 -0800 Hi Everyone! I found my way home last night after getting lost again in the road construction in the bay area (eek) with my little one-input scholar brain in a daze of overwhelmed amazement. It was great! It is always so neat to finally meet people in real life who you talk to on the 'net huh? It makes things seem so much more real. The energy was so intense in there--it was like everyone was channeling Michael at once and most of the time my hands were shivering and I was cold and had a hard time grounding myself. I felt so open to all this stuff coming at me that I got a bit overwhelmed with a headache, which is rare for me. But I was loving it all! There were some great talks and a lot of new information from Michael coming through that was very fascinating to get an overview of. The channels don't have all this in a complete or cohesive format yet, so it may be a little while before we see these things in books or the like. I was really happy to see the channels up there on stage all next to each other and just taking questions from the audience--there were over 100 people in attendance. Some channels and students were absent from the conference who I missed seeing, but perhaps next time they'll be there too. Wow, wow, that's all I can say for now. So many ideas...I need to assimilate.... What did the rest of you who went think? :^) Love, Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:42:33 -0500 (EST) This is a Michael Teachings list, right? {{Pressing face against inside of monitor. Tapping on glass}} HELLO? HAS EVERYONE CYCLED OFF???? ;-p Dave - Just peeping Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:49:40 +0200 Hi everyone I am new to this list so please excuse if I ask questions that have already been dealt with here. I was wondering about the following: 1. What is the difference between an essence twin and a twin flame? 2. Does negative karma payback create more karma? For example, let's say your big brother bullied and beat you as a child and teenager because you bullied and beat him in a previous life. Did his bullying behaviour in this life create karma for him or is the whole thing now forgotten? 3. Does negative behaviour based on between-life agreements create karma? For example, if you have been bullied as a child by your big brother because of an agreement between life that he will bully you in order to help you learn certain lessons, did your big brother create negative karma for himself by bullying? Thanks Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:47:49 +0800 At 08:40 AM 11/13/97 -0000, Dave Gregg wrote:
> This is a Michael Teachings list, right?
As far as I can tell, with the rather low mail volume... :-) Regards. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:27:32 -0800 Yep it's been pretty quiet around here for some time now.... -- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:56:33 +0000
> Yep it's been pretty quiet around here for some time now....
Oh, and here I thought there were mechanical problems, or something. Probably Dave breathing into my monitor. Let's remember this the next time somebody posts complaining they don't like the current topic, or the perceived dominance of certain members -- without them we have a far less robust list going!
> The other day I asked if anyone who went to the AMT conference wanted to
Yeah, I'm in recovery mode too. Plus being out of town for four days, other things pile up. I thought of writing up some kind of report just for my own integration that could be posted for the benefit of those unable to attend, but that seemed like too big a task. Maybe we can take this piecemeal -- describe one session at a time, and have anybody that wants to add their thoughts or ask questions? Dean Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:19:12 -0500
> > Yep it's been pretty quiet around here for some time now....
Haven't heard from Kenneth in a while--we miss you, Kenneth! :)
> Oh, and here I thought there were mechanical problems, or
Good point! Although if people write posts and few reply, that's a form of "complaint" that very naturally dries things up. I think the main "problem" is that though we may have 100 or so people on the list, about 80 or so of them are eternal lurkers. Any of you lurkers out there want to introduce yourselves, at least? Any conversation is better than *no* conversation. <G>
> Yeah, I'm in recovery mode too. Plus being out of town for four days,
That sounds great, Dean. I'd love to hear any and all thoughts. I know Brin and Ed were planning to attend. Hope you two will post some of your thoughts on the event! Kate Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:28:27 -0500
> Hi everyone
Welcome to the list! Good questions! I'd love to hear from Barbara, Shepherd or Joya on any of these (if any of you have the time).-- Kate McMurry Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:16:30 -0800 Hi Everyone, I'm definitely recovering quietly from all the intensity around the conference. There was an incredible mix of energy, information, upsets, the joy of being with cadre and entity mates, the sorrow that the event was held in such a way that many did not feel they could attend, the balancing and effort to seek ways to feel our shared essence in spite of all the challenges. For me, the most important part was that the gathering was an excuse and opportunity to meet other's with close soul connections, those in the same entity and cadre. That was a powerful and profound experience. Although ostensibly, I was paying $150 to hear new channeling information and so on, for me that was not really true. It was about the people. There was some good information but it was a mix of various quality. I feel the need for us to gather is so great, any excuse brings many of us together. That we sought for this gathering to meet many needs is only a sign of the intensity of the needs and longing to experience our true connectedness. I was overjoyed when some of the groups met in circles. That to me is a profound need for us. To commune and share facing one another in a circle. The dance/ song at the end in a weaving moving circle of life was wonderful. I would love to see us meet, gather and share in a circle, communing sometimes silently, sometimes with words. As Lori said, the energy was palpable and it felt like Michael was coming into all of us, with easy access to essence. Many of us could have shared much of value. This is a quiet time for me of feeling the ripples inside and out and assimilating the experience. I know that my life will be different by meeting more of those I have traveled with for so many lifetimes. I want to restructure my life to include their presence and leave behind the fragmented isolation of the past. There are many other lessons and thoughts to come. Hugs to all, Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:30:15 -0500 Brin, Thanks so much for sharing that! Very interesting. Anything else at any time you feel moved to share would be much appreciated. :) Kate Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:52:27 +0000 First off, it was a marvelous weekend in nearly every conceivable way. The success of these events depends largely on the planning, and this event was very well organized -- went off without a hitch, as far as I could tell. The hotel itself provided a very nice space. We were told later that AMT had reservations for 4 or 5 dozen attendees, and so had planned to use just one conference room, but ultimately over 100 people showed up! Thankfully, we were able to use an adjoining conference room to expand our own. Our chairs faced a short platform that served as the stage, with large sliding glass doors beyond it that looked out over the pool area. Behind us were tables set up for registration, information on the channels, books and other merchandise, coffee and tea, and an internet setup for registering on the AMT website. Aaron Christeaan served as master of ceremonies. One of the first announcements was the disappointing news that Sarah Chambers and Joya Pope were unable to attend. Sarah was apparently involved in an automobile accident. Report is that she's fine, but you might want to send her some healing energy in any case. Joya? You okay? We missed you. Each of the steering committee channels were brought on stage to be introduced and to say a little something about themselves, the conference, and/or the topic they would be speaking on. I admit, my expectation was that one of them would offer a personal welcome from Michael, though this never took place. However, when Alma Perez (one of the flat-out funniest people you could ever meet) had us do a breathing meditation, I felt everyone in the room "hook-up," and establish a dizzying group energy that would carry us through the weekend. My main memory of this first part of the day (I didn't take notes -- maybe someone else can give more detail or correct any inaccuracies) was some astrological information provided by Emily Baumbach regarding the transit of Neptune and its relation to the place of spirituality in the world, and the evolution of the Michael teachings. Neptune changes houses every 14 years or so, and the Michael channeling history could be divided into two 14 year stages. From approx. 1970-1984 the Michael scene was characterized by small, rather insular pockets of channels and their students (don't ask me what sign or house corresponds to these stages). 1984-1998 saw a consolidation and distribution of the basic information, new information being brought forth, and a proliferation of the teachings, but still largely within "camps" centered around the individual channel(s). We've now arrived at a new stage of growth for the teachings -- this conference being the perfect manifestation of that stage -- one in which the tribal barriers come down and a larger community can be formed. In the world at large, over the next 28 years, we can expect to see an ever-increasing hunger for the kind of information Michael offers. We are also preparing for a manifestation of the Infinite Soul, which will bring about even more powerful changes to our earth and everyone on it. At one point, JP Van Hulle had everyone stand who channelled or who were learning to channel. I didn't get a good headcount, but 15-20% of attendees stood? Astonishing. Alma Perez had some good words on the subject that have stayed with me. Yes, the Infinite Soul is coming, but we can each make the conscious and deliberate effort to bring that energy into our lives *now*. Each of us is a carrier for that love and can have it operating in the world if only we open ourselves more fully to it. Thanks Alma! TO BE CONTINUED Dean Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:33:05 -0500 Thanks so much for your report, Dean--eagerly looking forward to Part 2. :) Kate Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 20:04:19 UT Lori, It isn't that we don't have anything to say. We are still recovering from all
that energy!!!!!!!!! Whew.......:) My take on the conference was--------->
BRAVO!!! For a first time event it was well done and well worth the
participation. Of course this is from my own personal perspective, flavors may
vary <g>. I cannot speak for others but the energy and information, though
overwhelming at times, was great. I enjoyed the new information and seemed to
resonate well with the picture of our essences without bodies BTW, my moving part absolutely LOVED the ending on Sunday (my passion mode didn't mind either). Singing and dance soothed the soul. I will carry with me the impression of all those faces passing by with such light bright glows and smiles as we moved to the center of the circle and then back out. Truly AWESOME!!!! I look forward to more in the future. Hugs (cause ya never ever get to many) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:19:10 -0500 (EST) Welcome to the board! It's always nice to see new faces - I'm delurking again - as I do intermittently - I confess I do spend more time "talking" on AOL Michael Board, but I do most of my READING here on this List ! (When it's being used that is) I don't see karma as negative OR positive - I see it as a balancing of something Essence wants to know or do - and we, in the physical, "play it out" so to speak, so we can gain experience/learning, first hand, on this issue. So from there, Q #2 re: big bro bullying you *because* you bullied him in
past life. A lot depends on the actual lesson you both wanted to learn from this event - Essence-wise - that is. It has been my experience that if a karma is completed there is a very NEUTRAL feeling about it all. ON BOTH SIDES - EQUALLY . and there really would be no interest in the issue - in other words you OR he could care less about being bullied or bullying. It wouldn't be a pressing issue or a question, because you would have the answer to your Essence's satisfaction - if it were balanced and complete. IMHO I would say there is more to it - something you've not seen yet - as the question alone shows there is still quite an interest here. AND it could be that, as you suggested, more karma was created in, say being overeager to either avoid or payback (with a vengence, for example). Yes, MORE karma can be created. re Q2 : if the bullying was by agreement (he to you) did he create karma for
himself? OK now that I have you thoroughly confused - I will bow to someone else who can offer even more OR something different. But this is how I see it. I'm not familiar with the twin flame, so I will leave that to another. LOVE * PEACE * LIGHT * JOY <3 Pati* :) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:39:37 -0500 Enjoyed your reply about karma, Pati. Made sense to me. :) Kate Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:15:08 -0800 WOW--seems I was wrong! Everyone's just burnt like me and needing a little re-evaluation down-time. :^) Thanks for the reports, but interestingly I've not received any e-mails today for some reason...but I saw all this activity in the archives. :^) I really went for the soul-connection thing too at the AMT conference...I wanted to meet some more soul-bro's and soul-sis's (heheh) and there you were....It was so neat to meet all of you who were there! <warm fuzzies> I can't remember all of it, because of my brain getting fried--how frustrating--thank you Dean for posting what happened. I hope to meet more at the next one, whenever that's going to be..... (((((HUGS)))))) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:27:14 -0700 Good evening, everyone. I attended the AMT Michael gathering this past weekend, and was still formulating a response to it on the flight home Monday. I was still formulating a response to it on Tuesday. It wasn't until I actually engaged in dialogue with some of my friends about it that my feelings and perceptions regarding the conference began to emerge. I went because I wanted to connect with my people. I went because I wanted the opportunity to immerse myself in a living atmosphere (as opposed to reading the books) of higher plane wisdom. I never got the connection, and I left hungry for more intensive exposure to higher plane wisdom. I had an experience of rejection, de-valuing and devalidation as described by incidents: A number of people were sure I was mature level. I was challenged on being 7th old, after I was asked for this information. Several people couldn't figure out "what" they were looking at, and kindly let me know that. There was always an empty seat between me and the next person. Some people generously offered to hold me in a healing circle because I was obviously broken due to, as they said, my "out there, zany energy." So: even in the midst of the company of old souls, I found myself criticized as to the harmless (and even entertaining!) eccentricities developed over many previous cycles and the closing of another. You might ask, "Well gee, Gloria, does any of this matter? Isn't this your ego talking?" Yeah, mine and everyone else's! But it's not necessarily the details that were uncomfortable, it was the ATTITUDE, the INTENT behind them. It did not feel friendly; it did not feel nurturing. Why the challenge instead of the acceptance to know me and let me be who I am? Does this not hint at a kind of exclusivity and a divisiveness-before-cooperation-first energy? But I'm glad I was there. I met some lovely people. And: I wouldn't have known the willingness of my black panther to go it alone. I know that I am extraordinarily self-sufficient, and I think that real community among groups just might require a few more millenium of evolution among we humans. Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:24:22 +0000 During the break, we cleared the room so it could be re-configured into three separate speaking areas. This arrangement was among the least optimum features of our space. A wall could be brought out to divide the room in two, but only a small curtain was used to create the remaining areas, so sounds from the adjacent lectures were a distraction for some. You had your choice of three lectures. One by Aaron Christeaan on "Belief System Process," another by Lena Stevens on "Understanding the Inner Matriarch and the Inner Patriarch," and a third by JP Van Hulle on "Our Spiritual Energy Structure: Manifesting our Lives on the Physical Plane." I attended JP's, so maybe those that attended other presentations could give us their impressions? JP elaborated on one piece of her topic, really, focusing on numerology. Here's the information on the bottom of her handout that may interest you: "Over the past year, J.P. Van Hulle in her commitment to developing the Teachings has channelled a large body of Michael's newest teachings on a wide range of fascinating topics, including Essence evolution, relationships, prosperity, the human energy system, symbology of plants and animals in the human psyche, the nine needs model (in depth), etc. Michael's lectures and discussions on these and other topics will be forthcoming in _Michael: The Advanced Teachings_, 1998. Individual topic chapters will be made available for pre-publication purchase as they are completed in order to get the information out to students as soon as possible and to offset part of the costs of publication. The Numerology chapter will be available very soon. If you are interested, please contact the author, Stephen Shambaugh. I know little about numerology Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:05:31 +0000 Oops! Accidently hit the 'send' button before I'd finished. (Mental note: make the "To:" field the last one you complete.) Anyway, I was saying I don't know much about numerology -- it always seemed far fetched to me (now talking to *dead* people, hey, no problem!) but this information actually made some good sense. You count off the letters of the alphabet a=1, b=2, through i=9 and start over again j=1, k=2, r=9 etc. Z=8, so the final '9' position is held by diacritical marks (like "~" or "`"). Each number is interpreted as follows: 1=competence, leadership, pioneering The idea is to take the letters of your name -- choose your full, given birth name first -- and translate it into a series of numbers, eg John Doe Smith = 1685 465 14928. This is the series of moods, or ways of being that you move through, in sequence, throughout the day. John wakes up in competence mode(1), moves into sense of family mode(6) after a certain amount of time, then later shifts into money and career mode(8), and so forth. In addition to your birth name to consider, there are also your public name, your call name and your baby name that can be interpreted in this fashion. Baby name is fairly obvious -- if you were addressed as "Sweetie" or "Princess" or "Tiger" or something by relatives in place of your birth name, this relates to the moods of your inner child throughout the day. Your public name is the name the world knows you by, and this persona has its corresponding set of numbers. Your call name is what friends call you instead of your real name, like "Daniel" becomes "Dan" or "Danny." You get the idea. If you have a short name, you start over at the beginning before the day is through. If you have a longer name, you might never make it through all the numbers in a day -- you may even feel as if your days are perpetually incomplete in some way as a result. In order to honor the "rest" of you, you might take some time out on a weekend or something and deliberately move through the remaining sequence as a way of honoring your identity. This is just part of the information JP has been unpacking. There was also a rather remarkable depiction of our DNA structure passed out that incorporates all the the components of the Michael teaching, the chakras, astrology, the plant/animal/oceanic/mineral kingdoms, our genetic memory and much more. I'll return to this in my report on day 2. TO BE CONTINUED Dean Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:54:13 -0800 About the AMT meeting -- it was WONDERFUL!! The energy was almost as strong and powerful as I felt in Egypt. Several folks who weren't ready for that much energy got sick or couldn't sleep. I even felt overwhelmed one time and had to go outside to re-center myself. It was great to see some good friends and travelling buddies, and to see folks I'd only met via the Internet. We had attendees from England, Canada and Hong Kong, as well across the US. A team is putting together a video, so a bunch of us were asked to make comments on the teachings for possible TV or other use to promote awareness of the teachings. Lots of us initiated agreements with people that were there. Some of us are still feeling the high afterward and can't sleep since the event; others are in splash-down (crash) mode. It was a huge success. Only 57 people pre-registered and 109 showed up (plus channels and volunteers)!! Sarah and Joya couldn't make it -- Sarah due to a car crash (she's ok) and Joya for personal reasons. The group panels were excellent. The individual sessions I attended were wonderful. I wish I could have done all of them. Lots of new information was shared and more will be forthcoming. For those of you who don't know, JP is teaching a weekly class on the new stuff (since Jan) available on tape from MEF. I've been listening to them. Jose/Lena, Emily and others have been sharing some of it in their printed newsletters for the last several years. Stephen Shambaugh and JP are writing a new book called something like the Advanced Michael Teachings. For the new folks to the teaching, future conferences will cover more of the basics. The people who attended this conference are the ones who will help spread/teach the teachings in many forms -- including channeling, art, business, dance, etc. After several days gone, when I got back home, I felt as if I'd been on a really long vacation. Last week seemed like ancient history already. It took me several days to regroup. Then, I managed to twist my back, so am now learning about rest again. My back reacts sometimes (stubbornness) to massive amounts of energy and doing stupid things trying to get back on schedule. And, the full moon makes it even more pronounced. -- Barbara Taylor Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:49:34 +0000
> Individual topic chapters will be made available for pre-publication
Thank you for this information. I have major reservations about an "association," and have found most undertakings of this sort tend to do more harm than good, but this little tidbit of information couldn't have been timed better for me. Thanks again. John Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:25:31 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-11-14 16:04:56 EST, Barbara Taylor writes:
<< Sarah and Joya couldn't make it -- Sarah due to a car crash (she's ok) and Joya for personal reasons. >>
Well, I just heard that Joya Pope was in a car accident last night. Her husband told me she is currently in the hospital but would be coming home later tonight, so I'm assuming it isn't something to excessively worry about, but if the list could send her their "best wishes" I believe that would be a nice gesture. Though, perhaps "Hey Joya, break a leg" wouldn't be an appropriate sentiment. ;-p GET WELL SOON, JOYA! :-))))))))))))) Dave :-) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:16:57 -0500 (EST) Hello from Boston, Mass. I'm an "early" old soul Sage with a Growth goal. I very much appreciate how you all put yourselves out here. My best (love) to all of you. Robert For all those interested in the Chakras I've really enjoyed the books by Anodea Judith. Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:15:07 -0800 Gloria, I can't confirm whether or not you are a 7th level old
soul. You might want to have that checked with some of the channels that
specialize in accurate soul ages so that you can have a better answer to others
if it is accurate, or some better clarification for yourself if it is not
accurate. For general information, there are 20 people in my famous folks database designated 7th level old souls. These come from a variety of sources and seem to make sense for the ones I know a little bit about. They are: Meher Baba, B Boutros-Ghali, Ram Dass, Siddhartha Gautama (before the Buddha came in), Thich Nhat Hanh, Joseph (Jesus's father), The man Jesus (before the Infinite soul/Christ came in), Maharishi, Nelson Mandela, Mother Mary (Jesus's mother), Don Juan Matus, Michelangelo, Muktananda, Swami Nityananda, Rama (Indian Avatar), Anwar Sadat, Swami Satchidananda, Patrick Stewart, Zen Master Suzuki, Emanual Swedenborg. Using famous people as "examples" is just that
-- a way to "see" how a person with particular overleaves appears to
the world -- a way to help validate and understand the overleaves. I hope that may help explain why you might have gotten some unexpected comments. -- Barbara Taylor Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:28:38 -0800 To everyone, here's a meditation to help deal with the high energy of the conference. If you were there, you may be feeling "down" about now. If you weren't there, you may be feeling some sense of being left out, or you may have felt the high energy if you are closely connected with someone who was there. Sit in the meditation position (feet flat on the floor, hands in lap
uncrossed). Connect a cord to the earth from the base of your spin to let the
excess energy drain off. Take a few deep breaths to center yourself. Then, open your chakras a bit...practice opening and closing them to help the body adjust every day for a while. And, let the body know that it's ok to experience a sense of shift. Michael added: The personality may desire to just keep on expanding, however, the universe works in cycles -- of expansion and contraction. If you let your body contract a little, till it feels safe and comfortable, then let it expand again into that feeling of openness and connection, then let it contract again, eventually you will find a new 'set point' in which you are capable of maintaining a higher state of energy flow, and yet able to stay grounded and inside your center. These exercises as an excellent daily clearing and work well if trying to open up to more prosperity in general. In order to have more, your body must be able to handle more energy. -- Barbara Taylor Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:51:36 -0800 Greetings--just a few other comments about 7th level old souls, soul age in general, and some misconceptions. People into the Michael teachings often get the image that if you're an old soul, that automatically makes you a wise, compassionate, trustworthy person almost without flaw--which can be, for most of us, nothing further from the truth sometimes. Michael talked a lot about soul age manifesting, I think it was in "More Messages from Michael" (I'm not sure, I forget) where you really aren't always manifesting your "true" soul age--usually it's a younger soul age, but in rare cases, older than your true soul age. I try to remember to never underestimate the power of ego and false personality to run a person's life--it doesn't matter what their soul age is. Anyway--if 11% of the world's population is at the old soul age, as it says in "Messages...," and you figure that conservatively, 1% then is 7th level old, that makes a good 60,000,000 people on the planet 7th level old. Most of them are living ordinary lives, most likely, and grew up in the same kind of dysfunctional families most of us had, and how many of them do you think really "wake up" to their true nature and go out into the world as shining, teaching and leading publicly? Not many.... For a lot of them, it's a resting place, where they're just waiting for Joe Blow to come along and finish up whatever karma they may have not quite burned yet, maybe even as a homeless street person, and then old Joe comes along one day, throws his 25 cents or whatever into our 7th level old friend's tin cup, and that's it--he's free...and Joe got some emotional lesson he needed through that...perhaps it was about giving and receiving.... I heard, from a very reliable source, of one 7th level old soul, who I got the impression his ego runs his life a lot, because he beats women. Does that sound very enlightened? What's your judgement saying? Is it easier to think, there is no way this person could be 7th level old, or to consider that, this person's got just as much to work on as the rest of us do--just perhaps a bit more extreme in certain ways? 7th level old doesn't mean enlightened. It's just they've gotten some spiritual lessons somewhere along the way, but in this life, it doesn't necessarily mean anything! Perhaps this 7th level old guy who beats women needs some more lessons in dealing with his anger and victim pattern, just like anyone who beats women. Maybe he's going to need a few more 7th level old (or any level) lifetimes to get it. It's up to him. As an aside: Michael showed me something once, one of those weird pictures in my mind that they give me sometimes, regarding the old soul age--how Essence will jump around on the levels in order to get the lessons it needs the fastest way (if it wants to). An essence may be almost totally cycled off--but instead of sitting at 7th level old, where it may take a lot longer to get a certain lesson, it will send a fragment back to a different level, where the lesson will be better seen, dealt with, and integrated. In this way, the old soul age is more maleable and inconsistent, eccentric and less structured, than any of the other soul ages. Remember that Essence isn't as limited by time and space as the physical plane is. Ok, my main point is, sometimes soul age doesn't mean anything. What Barbara said, "validation is the key," is great advice to keep in mind. One of my Michael teachers once told me, "There are plenty of old souls out there that I know, who are a**holes and idiots!" LOL! Now if that doesn't put anything into perspective, I don't know what does! :^) Some poeple want to take on their lives, and some don't. They come in all shapes, colors, and soul ages. Some do it quietly and some do it very outspokenly. Of the people who really take on their lives, some shine like a thousand suns, and some are dark as a black hole (ie. they embrace the shadow--this doesn't mean "evil," that is a judgement of dysfunctional society--they are more like shamans.) Most are somewhere in between, making their way through the world where they'll never become rich or famous, but they are being who they truly are, and that's what counts, IMHO. Love, Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:36:07 +0000 Thank you Lori this is VERY GOOD and I think many of us needed this!! At least I did Best vhishes, Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:14:58 -0800 Thank you Jon! Your e-mail sender somehow sent this with my e-mail address instead of yours. I would have sent you this reply privately but I don't have the return e-mail address for you. :^) Blessings, Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:41:26 +0900 (JST) At 01:23 15/11/1997 -0000, Dave Gregg wrote:
> Well, I just heard that Joya Pope was in a car accident last night. Her Dave, Thank you for letting us know about Joya Pope's accident. I hope that, as you imply, it was nothing serious; it may have been spirit's way of preventing something worse. I am sending her a message directly. Jose Caldeira Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:22:59 -0500 (EST) I know a penny for my thoughts is being liberal, but here's my two cents on this continuing 7th level old saga. One of the flaws in the Michael teachings is that it plays on the side of
human nature that encourages stratification. This heirachical structure that
designates pieces of society into a segregated strata of Infant, Baby, Young,
Mature, and Old soul levels, almost reminds me of the old European caste
systems. (Pronounced Euro-Pee-on) In a society where people are often ranked and judged according to their level of wealth, inherited privilege, or profession, it is only natural that from the foibles of social in-breeding we would designate the same modicum of respect to people of varying soul ages, i.e., infant souls are viewed as barbarians, and old souls are regarded as the enlightened ones. Barbara's comment describing the 7th level old soul that commanded so much respect is a great example. This is an illusion that I believe we all fall prey to from time to time, but it is important to remember that it is ONLY an illusion. The seed of divinity is in all, from the infant soul to the old, and in God's eyes there is not one one individual on this planet that should command more respect than another. Regarding the channel Barbara met that claims to be 7th level old, but can't be because of his behavior, I would like to simply interject: Does it really matter? I would think the quality and usefulness of a channel's material is what truly matters, and not the level of their soul age. Once again we are looking at shades of distinction here that are cleverly guised in that age old societal nemesis - social strata. Personally, I don't feel the inclination to want to enshrine channelers. They perform a valuable service, but not any less measurable than the elementary school teacher down the block, or that craggly faced old man on the street corner who rings his little bell for charity each day. Concerning 7th level old souls as individuals, I think it is wrong to describe their taste as having only one flavor. Since the purpose of existence is to acquire as many different perspectives as possible, every soul will be cast with a set of slightly different ingredients, giving each fragment from the Tao a new way to excite its palate. Yes, Barbara's database of 7th level old souls is certainly an interesting representation of 7th level personalities, but lets not forget that these 7th levels are obviously out of the norm, so to speak, as they were clearly on specific "missions" or thrust into the public light in order to teach a certain concept to a wider audience. Since this represents a very small portion of this level, an accurate assessment of their specific attributes certainly cannot be determined. In addition, not all 7th level old souls will necessarily manifest at their actual level, as parental imprinting, and other societal intrusions can play a large part in the development of any individual, regardless of soul age; however, in general, I think 7th level Old's tend to live quiet lives, almost as if they are sitting at the train station waiting to be taken to their new destination. Also, in support of some of Gloria's previous comments in her post regarding the conference, I do agree that 7th level old souls can occasionally elicit unusual reactions from people. This is clearly evident if you examine a couple of the personalities from Barbara's database - Gandhi was shot, Lincoln was assassinated, and Christ was crucified. Obviously these 7th level old souls met with unfavorable reactions during their time, to the point of direct hostility. Yes, knowing our soul age can be a valuable tool in validating our perception of the world and assisting in organizing our lesson plan, but I believe its usefulness loses the support of essence when this same tool is used to decide the importance of an individual based on their soul age or level. Dave Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:24:18 -0800 Thanks, Dave, for your insightful analysis. Regards, Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:44:26 -0400 Hi Dave and All, Thank You Dave....finally I can resonate totally with something on this list. Dave said:
"Yes, knowing our soul age can be a valuable tool in validating our perception of the world and assisting in organizing our lesson plan, but I believe its usefulness loses the support of essence when this same tool is used to decide the importance of an individual based on their soul age or level."
I´m sure there must be a reason I am still here so I look forward to discovering it or me or you all a bit more . It sounds like your conference was quite a gathering of energy.I´d like to see something of that nature in my neck of the woods....in Chile,SA until then I enjoy the sharings of those who have attended this one. Thanks, Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:44:42 +0000 AMT Conference Pt. 3: The reportage continues. Day 1 Session 2. The three presentations were Kay Heatherly on "Essence Twins: Your Other Half?," Alma Perez's "How to Channel," and José Stevens discussing "The Nature of Power." I attended Alma's, so again, if there are a couple people out there who could summarize the other talks, we'd all appreciate it. The channel coaching was pretty straightforward. There's already information out there to study on your own, but there are advantages to having a Michael channel in the room to assist in bringing in the energy. (You might check out _Opening to Channel_ by Roman and Packer, or download Lori Tostado's paper on the subject from her webpage if you're looking for good information on the subject.) Alma's philosophy of channeling is wonderfully egalitarian, that is, she thinks everybody can channel that wants to. For that matter, she says, everybody already *is* channeling whether they know it or not! (Another aside: one of the things I appreciated most about the conference was the accessibility of the channels. I never got a "us and them" sense of things but always felt on equal ground with the presenters.) The FAQ were dealt with. Nothing can enter without your permission. Be very clear about your intentions, e.g., "I want to contact a high-level guide." If you don't like what you're experiencing, demand that the energies you're dealing with leave at once. If you feel like you're "just making it up," go ahead and make it up anyway - you'll be surprised what comes through. Etc. Then Alma led us through a meditation to contact a guide. One of the useful tips she offered was, once communication had been established, to ask the guide for a personal symbol to concentrate on. Then, in future meditations, you could think of this symbol and it would act as a sort of short cut in aiding you to return to that particular mental state. My personal response to the session was very positive. There were two peculiar side effects, however. First, I soon found that the entire contents of my intestines had been pureed. Second I had a strange sort of headache - it was painful but in a different sort of way. More like I had a thousand bees trapped in my skull, and now my skull wanted out of there. Maybe someday the AMT will link up with some pharmaceutical company to market a Michael pain medication - "Michaelgesic: for those hard-to-reach, high vibrational headaches." Okay, I'm getting silly now. Be sure to stay tuned for reports on Day 2 tomorrow - same Michael List, same Michael channels! Yeesh. Sorry. Dean Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:05:45 -0500 (EST) Hi (((((((Lori!))))))) (((((((Dave))))))) (((((((Gloria))))))) Blessings!
>>> "Essence will jump around on levels in order to get the lessons it needs..... May be almost totally cycled off --but instead of sitting at 7th level old....it will send a fragment back to a different level, where the lesson will be better seen, dealt with, and integrated. In this way the old soul is more maleable and inconsistent, eccentric and less structured..... <<<
Thank You! I have felt this ever since I first read Messages back in 1989! I had never been able to receive any validation from anyone on this point, and STILL it has been something I just KNEW, and no one had been able to sway me otherwise. (There was the possibility my Stubbornness was acting here, but I KNEW what I KNEW ). BTW, I would think also that one with many cycles already under his belt would tend to be even MORE eccentric - Playing the game to the HILT as it were! With Curve Balls, Spit balls and underhand throws! Dave - I agree with you about those "compartments!" It would stand to reason that as one is "starting out" on this adventure at Infant Soul level, the structure is very needed - also through to Old Soul, if this would be his first cycle. But even if it's a tenth or 11th cycle - or more - This structure would be needed from, say Infant soul to Late Mature or early Old, just to keep within the plan. Then as the Old soul got into the swing of things, where the last of the karma is being burned off, the awareness (albiet subconsciously) would tend to cast aside that structure, even by say third Old or so. (All things are possible) also
>>> "Since the purpose of existence is to acquire as many different perspectives as possible.....giving each fragment from the TAO a new way to excite its palate >>> yes, Barbara's list is indeed impressive - and they ARE >>> obviously out of the norm...."missions" or thrust into the public light in order to teach...to a wider audience <<<
I recall in Messages .. . . "Many will cycle off (afer 7th Old) with no
more than a feeling that there is more going on than what I see." Also,
"If all you do (by the time you cycle off) is learn to suspend judgement,
you've done a LOT." They also told of a lady who "lives in Alaska,
tending her Dogs, who is now 7th level old "
>>> 7th Old Souls living quiet lives, almost as if they are sitting at the train station waiting to be taken to their new destination. <<<
This is EXACTLY how I picture them. Also as "Sitting on the front porch watching the kids play." I thank you both for a veritable cornucopia of information. Gloria - I feel that with this new vibration level - energy boost - ANYONE can litterally JUMP ahead at a whirlwind pace and be at what ever level they choose - INTENT is the thing - Consider Kryon's info, as well - Verify for YOU - It doesn't MATTER what anyone else "comes up with." What YOU feel, is what matters for YOU. LOVE * LIGHT * PEACE * JOY <3 Pati* :)
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