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1997 - Week 44

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THE POSTS:

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:31:49 -0800
Subject: re: the greys

The following is a reply I sent to Joya regarding Ted Fontaine's last Michael-Lines message that I posted here. It had a lot of stuff about aliens and I thought maybe some others might be interested--Joya said it was OK for me to post this here. (No, I was not the one who asked Ted the alien questions that he channeled about.)

Have fun! :^)
Lori

> Joya Pope wrote:
>
> Lori, what do you feel/think about this part of Ted's latest??

Ted/Michael said:
> What you call the greys are astral beings who are experimenting with > becoming physical plane beings. They are quite interesting in the variety > of life and they are amazed at the solidity of it. They are basically > intellectually centered and have no developed emotional center. Since > they have no real physical body then they have no instinctive center. > Instinctive centers are bound to the planet. They are like hive souls > since they act as single cadres - we have touched on pre-incarnate cadre > behavior somewhat in past issues. They cannot make choices outside of > their cadre and their cadre makes no choices outside of the contingent > (1000 cadres). The fragments have not separated from the collective or > group mind. Individuals do not exist and you can only make Karma with an > individual fragment.

Lori:
Well, first off, there are different races of "greys." Though Ted and
Michael here are probably referring to mainly the Zeta Reticulans. They are the ones most often referred to as the ones that abduct humans for sexual reproductive and hybrid-making purposes. They are a race that are not totally physical, yes....but as to whether their lack of individuality is more soul-related or more genetically related, hmmmm.... I would add as a caution that they aren't *all* collective. There are certain "factions" I suppose, with different agendas, just as there are in human groups. I think their access to non-physicality has more to do with their technology and age as a race more than their spirituality. They definitely are "fragmented," but it may not totally be in the same sense that Michael refers to it in humanity. They are fragmented because they genetically engineered the removal of their emotional centers eons ago on their home world which they destroyed through technology. They mastered cloning and engineered out their ability to sexually reproduce, thereby removing a lot of their aggressiveness too. The whole and the needs of the many were taken care of skillfully and logically by sacrificing their individuality which was seen as a pernicious product of emotions and especially, desire--lust being the most "dangerous." (BTW: I started spontaneously channeling on this topic at one of Ted's Michael group meetings in Davis a couple years ago--I feel it coming back right now.)

As time went on, the Zetas have found that they have lost something very important, and are seeking to reclaim it. Earth was chosen as one of their experimental hybrid breeding grounds, for its rich diversity, emotional-centeredness, and since the Zetas have access to the astral plane, they can easily contact human souls who are between lives or astral travelling (like when we sleep.) So agreements are made on a soul level with human souls to help the Zetas with their hybrids, and emotional understanding.

They make agreements with women for their eggs or a short pregnancy, who have highly developed emotional centers and certain other genetic traits that the Zetas find desirable. They make agreements with human males for their sperm, who also have highly developed emotional centers and other desirable genetic traits. Other humans they make agreements with for nurturing and emotional qualities that these humans can share with the hybrid children, while on the astral plane, onboard the Zeta's ships. Other people they make agreements with just to observe, to learn about human behavior, like sexuality and emotional relationships especially.

Because the human psyche itself is so fragmented even in these people, these agreements they make with the Zetas on the astral plane are not usually remembered, so when they follow through with their agreement, like by "getting abducted" and having something done to them sexually, they feel they've been victimized and scarred, often for a very long time. But it really is an agreement with the Zetas. The reason they don't make karma with them on an individual basis is because it's an agreement, not because they aren't fragments. As a race, the Zetas are creating a kind of karma with humanity, because they are genetically manipulating humans, mixing their genetics with ours, and genetics is the basis of spiritual matter in physical form.

The Zeta souls are reincarnating into their hybrids. Sometime soon some of the Earth human souls with agreements with the Zetas will also incarnate into the hybrids. (I believe the channel Lyssa Royal calls these hybrids the Essassani.) So far these beings are much too fragile to live on Earth, but the Zetas plan for them to eventually live on Earth once the Earth is cleaned up and moved into a higher vibrational state, a process which is going on at this moment, and will continue for about 500 years.

There's also a connection to computer technology that the Zetas have--there is some property to the silicon semiconductors and chips used in computers that have a vibrational frequency that the Zetas can read, and you may have noticed what it is. It's that kind of psychic connection you can read about perople you're talking to on the internet. I was amazed the first time this happened to me and I recognized someone like that. I was pretty new to the 'net and had no idea of the power of the vibes behind the words being typed on the screen. I could feel this connection like a beam that went through all my chakras, down to the center of the Earth and up through the sky--it was really incredibly bizarre at the time. This friend later told me he had recognized me just the first time he'd seen my e-mail address, a couple months earlier.

The Zetas are extremely telepathic, and can pick up on this kind of vibrational conversation-line, as it were, that we're now using to communicate on the internet, although most people don't realize the kind of psychic telepathic/empathic power it uses. It tunes our brains to this frequency as well, and makes it easier for the Zetas to pick up our thoughts, and if we are open, for us to pick up theirs as well.

Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:25:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: the greys

Dear Lori -- Your answer on the Zetas corresponds well with other good channeled material and you've captured the nitty gritty of it very well. here are a few more tidbits.

Lyssa Royal is a really excellent channel for this sort of information. She has a few tapes in which she channels Zetas, and her books "The Prism of Lyra" and "Visitors From Within" cover it all very well, as does the entity "Bashar" channeled by Darryl Anka ("Bashar: Blueprint for Change") and also occasionally by Lyssa. Bashar is an Essassani, the hybrid race created from humans and Zetas. I don't believe the hybrid future race is necessarily going to be on Earth primarily.

The Zetas ruined their world's surface with radiation pollution and had to live underground. They redesigned their bodies, including their eyes, to adapt. Recently they realized that as a race they were failing to grow or advance spiritually. Often the heads of their infants were too large to exit from the mother and many of the mothers died in pregnancy as well as the babies. (They had nothing like our Caesarians.) They realized that they needed to redesign their bodies again.

In all the universe they could explore they found that earth humans were the most different from them. We have more physical variation and individuality of nature than any other people. They were as afraid of us as we are of them because of this huge difference. We have the emotional aspects better developed and that was what they had removed from themselves earlier. The hybridizing genetic experiments are as Lori describes. The Zetas have agreements with the abductee person's essence, but the abductee's personality is usually horribly scared because it isn't aware of the essence's agreement for it to happen. The benevolent ET societies out there don't admit the Zetas into their Association because the Zetas are violating the free will of the personality down here, even though they have the essence's agreement.

There are different factions of Zetas but the story Lori describes is the main one.

Thanks, Ted Fontaine, for bringing this and many other new bits and pieces into the realm of Michael.

All the best, Ed

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:43:01 -0600
Subject: karmic payback?

Hi. This is kind of a personal question..

Let's say you have someone who is trying to pay back some sort of karma to you, but you don't really want much to do with them. If you deny them their karma payback, is this really getting in the way of their accomplishing goals in this lifetime?

personal example:
I have an ex-boyfriend with whom I felt a very strong sort of "familiarity" with when I met him as a teenager. We entered into a relationship as a result, and it was disastrous, but it lasted for 3 years. The whole time we felt this "bond", however.. I cut off the whole relationship years ago because I was feeling way too dependent and had zero self esteem left. Before we split up, I had a dream that we had a very similar past life where he cheated on me, I was upset and died young and never got to deal with it.

So anyway, I suspected that was why we both felt the other was so "familiar" when we met. I didn't think it was an essence twin thing because we were both quite young and I read that you usually don't meet your essence twin until later.

For the past 5 or 6 years he has been contacting me, wanting to be friends again. And we've tried this, and quite frankly, I realized we have nothing in common and was bored by the friendship. So I cut it off again. But now he has written me a letter, wanting to be friends again, and I wonder if it's because he feels a karmic debt. Would it be best for me to let him pay back his debt, (if that's what it is)? I have always felt this link with him, even though he drives me nuts sometimes, I always even dream that he is going to contact me a couple of weeks before he does.. I know something's up. But I don't know what.

Has anyone else been in this sort of situation who could offer some advice? I know there was a discussion going on about essence twins a few weeks back which I found very interesting.. does this sound like an essence twin relationship? Has anyone else had to deal with someone from their past who keeps contacting them..? Well, stalkers don't count..

Melissa.

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:04:42 -0800
Subject: Re: karmic payback?

Hi Melissa,
It sounds very plausible to me that your ex- just has some control issues, his own self-karma, to work on there. If you're saying you feel complete with the relationship you and he had, and he does not, he may still fear he doesn't have control over you and/or the relationship, so he's seeking this outside source for his own issues of power, control, and security. It may really have nothing to do with you (anymore) on a soul-to-soul level, but you trigger his issues for him to look at. He may be too insecure to deal with them himself and wants you to do it for him, which of course, you can't do. Your refusal puts this fact sqarely in front of his face, where he has to see it, but he doesn't want to deal with his own stuff. You have your self-esteem and personal power back now, and he wants this very very much.....These are also issues of taking responsibility, letting go of expectations and having to be right all the time, and respect for others and the self.
Well, these are the impressions I get....what do you think?
I wish you the best on this!

Love,
Lori

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:28:08 -0600
Subject: OH Yeah!!

I guess the Big Lesson when it comes to ANYTHING.. including Michael teachings.. is to go with your gut instinct! Duh!!

I will proceed to do so. It has never failed me in the past and it won't now.

There must be a Winnie-the-Pooh quote for that somewhere...

Melissa.

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:00:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Melissa's old boyfriend

Melissa,

Possibly old boyfriend has a monad with you like hopelessly loved, hopelessly loving, he being the latter. It's awkward for you to have him longing--and he _is_ longing. Or, if not a monad, a completion of a karma in which he is supposed to long, pine and want you, but you are otherwise engaged and growing, ie bored with him.

I think that if you had karma that you were supposed to do, in this case more face to face completions, you would feel drawn to do so. sSince you don't, let's just say that his karma is to long for you.

I would in an impersonal way send him love, compassion, jkindness, and seal your aura, your space to him so that you don't feel sucked on by him, dragged at. Send love, but be firm that your space is your own.

These are tricky things to learn about and handle. The old soul tendency is to think that if someone wants sometnhing from us, it must be karma and maybe we should grit our teeth and do it. Usually if its karma, you get sucked in, blinders on, feeling excitement.

And like you said, follow your instinct. Honor it. even when it's a little confusing to the mind. Hope this helps clarify for the mind.

Joya Pope

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:14:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Melissa's old boyfriend

Hi Melissa,

Cutting your Aka Chords that connect to him might be a good stating point.

Jim

Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 22:53:08 -0600
Subject: Learning More!

Before I begin, allow me to inform you that I sometimes wander when I am writing as I am thinking--but I did want to express some of my thoughts on "paper" to get the feel of the network.

I have just recently purchased two books by Jose Stevens (Earth to Tao and Tao to Earth) and have appreciated them so much. They are well-written and gives a neophyte some good information. I find the Michael teachings quite fascinating--in fact I am amazed at how much information in the book I have already developed for myself. In the Tao to Earth Chapter 1's explanation of the "pure light" coming to earth is similar to my own developing concept of the soul as I study particle physics.

I do have questions, however. I wonder why only one entity has seen fit to be open to communication and does the channeling of other spiritual beings somehow conflict with this concept of the entity Michael? It would seem that Michael is saying that whoever wishes to make contact with the entity should be able to do so--how is this done. My meditation results are not very fruitful; I do feel less anxious but have felt no real "spiritual" power or other kind of source.

The reading that Kenneth Broom so graciously gave was that I was a 7th level old soul, with a warrior essence/ Reading the descriptions given by Stevens I do find myself in some of the characteristics--but I have never experience any kind of former life existence or felt any special bond to what might be my twin. In fact, even though I am a pastor I find myself the past few years being relative alone in many of my quests and searches. I have no "close" friends, only acquaintenances that have been and are good to me. My wife and I share a lot together, although coming from a rather conservatie religious background is rather hesitent to accepting some of my "stranger" interests.

I am attracted to the Michael teachings becauses they do seem to be so comprehensive--using both psychology and spirituality to enable a person to develop as a whole being. I hope that I do not sound negative in my questions--it is just that I have read of so many experiencing spiritual gifts that I wonder why I am left out.

I do want to thank you for the support the network has given me as I struggle with my development.

Bill Lanning
Houston, Texas

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:41:44 +0800
From: J J Tan
Subject: Re: Learning More!

At 05:42 AM 11/9/97 -0000, you wrote:

> The reading that Kenneth Broom so graciously gave was that I was a 7th
> level old soul, with a warrior essence/ Reading the descriptions given
> by Stevens I do find myself in some of the characteristics--but I have
> never experience any kind of former life existence or felt any special
> bond to what might be my twin. In fact, even though I am a pastor I
> find myself the past few years being relative alone in many of my quests
> and searches. I have no "close" friends, only acquaintenances that have
> been and are good to me. My wife and I share a lot together, although
> coming from a rather conservatie religious background is rather hesitent
> to accepting some of my "stranger" interests.
>
> I am attracted to the Michael teachings becauses they do seem to be so
> comprehensive--using both psychology and spirituality to enable a person
> to develop as a whole being.
> I hope that I do not sound negative in my questions--it is just that I have read
> of so many experiencing spiritual gifts that I wonder why I am left out.
>
> I do want to thank you for the support the network has given me as I
> struggle with my development.
>
> Bill Lanning
> Houston, Texas

I would like to comment on some little things. It is not possible for me to know your background on studying spiritual teachings outside of Christianity, so I am not going to comment on whether there are (or not) other entities who are also currently teaching Earth Human beings. :-) I think that there are. It is just that Michael managed to "gain" themselves publicity through the books. Not that this publicity means anything to them. (I won't know anyway)

What I would like to comment on is that we create our own reality. You asked "why I am left out". I would like to propose that you are not "left out", but your choice of reality, perhaps, ruled out the possibility of other spiritual experiences. I was channeled as a 3rd level Old Soul. Same as you, I do not feel any "twin" kinship, nor do I remember any past lives, irrational attractions towards other people who are in the same "soul group" (cadence or cadre) as me, etc. I believe it is only my "imprintment", a conditioning in growing up. The conditioning that forms a reality that rules out the possibility of supernatural connection with other people. It is up to me to work around that conditioning, or take it as "what I am supposed to do in this life". In other words, it is my choice, my responsibility, to want to continue in this conditioned reality, or allow myself another side of conditions for another reality.

Of course, in preference to total freedom over any set of conditions and reality, there is a need to go through several such "realities" in order to be flexible enough.

But I digress. You mentioned that you meditate. I think that helps very much (I don't have the patience to meditate, and I'm working on that one, too!). I suggets you approach meditation with another perspective, angle, approach, etc. For example, using meditation to undo some of the conditioning that you can leave out, or persuade/appeal for help in allowing yourself another set of conditioning and reality.

Hope I'm making sense here. Any people woule like to comment? What does Michael have to say about this?

Regards.

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:11:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Learning More!

J J Tan wrote:

> Hope I'm making sense here. Any people woule like to comment?
> What does Michael have to say about this?

I like what you're saying. It makes sense to me.

I meditated throughout my 20s, and I think it does make you more psychic. I've found, if you want to open to another spiritual dimension (the planes beyond the physical), it helps to hang out with other people who are doing that. I found, when I wanted to channel and do "energy work," for example, that it was a real mind bender (in a positive way) to be with other old soul already channeling and healing who took it for granted that all "that stuff" was real. Very different than the other 99% of the world who had always taken for granted, and insisted on that to me, that all "that stuff" is *not* real. <G>

Kate

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:33:32 +0100
Subject: Re: Learning More!

Kate McMurry wrote:

> I've found, if you want to open to another spiritual dimension
> (the planes beyond the physical), it helps to hang out with other people
> who are doing that. I found, when I wanted to channel and do "energy
> work," for example, that it was a real mind bender (in a positive way)
> to be with other old soul already channeling and healing who took it for
> granted that all "that stuff" was real. Very different than the other
> 99% of the world who had always taken for granted, and insisted on that
> to me, that all "that stuff" is *not* real.

I couldn't agree with you more, that's precisely how it was for me.

Katherine Doversberger

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:16:41 -0600
Subject: THANKS

I want to thank those who have responded to my ramblings and questions, both on the list and privately! It is good to know that so many of you are willing to share your own experiences. Because I come from a somewhat dysfunctional family I have always been hesitant to "open" myself up very much--in fact I must admit I was surprised that I found myself doing it.

To answer some of your questions, I have had an interest in religious consciousness since my teens. To fulfill that interest I received a Ph.D. in World Religions and have done post-doctoral work in the philosophy of science and since that time have been studying religion, philosophy and quantum physics relationships.

Evem though I am a pastor I consider myself to be more of a student of religion and have had an interest in themes found in the so-called "New Age" movement since the sixties.

As I believed I indicated I am impressed that so much of what I have learned through my research is somehow in some of the Michael readings I have read. I have just finished the second volume of the Stevens book and found that he answered some of my questions with regard to meditation and channeling. I understand that he is a therapist--must be a good one because he seems to have a good feel for the "hurts" felt by people.

I hope to keep involved in the Michael students and books and perhaps some day I may surprise myself!

Again, thanks

Bill Lanning

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