Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:25:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: the greys
Dear Lori -- Your answer on the Zetas corresponds well with other good
channeled material and you've captured the nitty gritty of it very well. here
are a few more tidbits.
Lyssa Royal is a really excellent channel for this sort of information. She
has a few tapes in which she channels Zetas, and her books "The Prism of
Lyra" and "Visitors From Within" cover it all very well, as does
the entity "Bashar" channeled by Darryl Anka ("Bashar: Blueprint
for Change") and also occasionally by Lyssa. Bashar is an Essassani, the
hybrid race created from humans and Zetas. I don't believe the hybrid future
race is necessarily going to be on Earth primarily.
The Zetas ruined their world's surface with radiation pollution and had to
live underground. They redesigned their bodies, including their eyes, to adapt.
Recently they realized that as a race they were failing to grow or advance
spiritually. Often the heads of their infants were too large to exit from the
mother and many of the mothers died in pregnancy as well as the babies. (They
had nothing like our Caesarians.) They realized that they needed to redesign
their bodies again.
In all the universe they could explore they found that earth humans were the
most different from them. We have more physical variation and individuality of
nature than any other people. They were as afraid of us as we are of them
because of this huge difference. We have the emotional aspects better developed
and that was what they had removed from themselves earlier. The hybridizing
genetic experiments are as Lori describes. The Zetas have agreements with the
abductee person's essence, but the abductee's personality is usually horribly
scared because it isn't aware of the essence's agreement for it to happen. The
benevolent ET societies out there don't admit the Zetas into their Association
because the Zetas are violating the free will of the personality down here, even
though they have the essence's agreement.
There are different factions of Zetas but the story Lori describes is the
Thanks, Ted Fontaine, for bringing this and many other new bits and pieces
into the realm of Michael.
All the best, Ed
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:43:01 -0600
Subject: karmic payback?
Hi. This is kind of a personal question..
Let's say you have someone who is trying to pay back some sort of karma to
you, but you don't really want much to do with them. If you deny them their
karma payback, is this really getting in the way of their accomplishing goals in
I have an ex-boyfriend with whom I felt a very strong sort of
"familiarity" with when I met him as a teenager. We entered into a
relationship as a result, and it was disastrous, but it lasted for 3 years. The
whole time we felt this "bond", however.. I cut off the whole
relationship years ago because I was feeling way too dependent and had zero self
esteem left. Before we split up, I had a dream that we had a very similar past
life where he cheated on me, I was upset and died young and never got to deal
So anyway, I suspected that was why we both felt the other was so
"familiar" when we met. I didn't think it was an essence twin thing
because we were both quite young and I read that you usually don't meet your
essence twin until later.
For the past 5 or 6 years he has been contacting me, wanting to be friends
again. And we've tried this, and quite frankly, I realized we have nothing in
common and was bored by the friendship. So I cut it off again. But now he has
written me a letter, wanting to be friends again, and I wonder if it's because
he feels a karmic debt. Would it be best for me to let him pay back his debt,
(if that's what it is)? I have always felt this link with him, even though he
drives me nuts sometimes, I always even dream that he is going to contact me a
couple of weeks before he does.. I know something's up. But I don't know what.
Has anyone else been in this sort of situation who could offer some advice? I
know there was a discussion going on about essence twins a few weeks back which
I found very interesting.. does this sound like an essence twin relationship?
Has anyone else had to deal with someone from their past who keeps contacting
them..? Well, stalkers don't count..
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:04:42 -0800
Subject: Re: karmic payback?
It sounds very plausible to me that your ex- just has some control issues, his
own self-karma, to work on there. If you're saying you feel complete with the
relationship you and he had, and he does not, he may still fear he doesn't have
control over you and/or the relationship, so he's seeking this outside source
for his own issues of power, control, and security. It may really have nothing
to do with you (anymore) on a soul-to-soul level, but you trigger his issues for
him to look at. He may be too insecure to deal with them himself and wants you
to do it for him, which of course, you can't do. Your refusal puts this fact
sqarely in front of his face, where he has to see it, but he doesn't want to
deal with his own stuff. You have your self-esteem and personal power back now,
and he wants this very very much.....These are also issues of taking
responsibility, letting go of expectations and having to be right all the time,
and respect for others and the self.
Well, these are the impressions I get....what do you think?
I wish you the best on this!
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:28:08 -0600
Subject: OH Yeah!!
I guess the Big Lesson when it comes to ANYTHING.. including Michael
teachings.. is to go with your gut instinct! Duh!!
I will proceed to do so. It has never failed me in the past and it won't now.
There must be a Winnie-the-Pooh quote for that somewhere...
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:00:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Melissa's old boyfriend
Possibly old boyfriend has a monad with you like hopelessly loved, hopelessly
loving, he being the latter. It's awkward for you to have him longing--and he
_is_ longing. Or, if not a monad, a completion of a karma in which he is
supposed to long, pine and want you, but you are otherwise engaged and growing,
ie bored with him.
I think that if you had karma that you were supposed to do, in this case more
face to face completions, you would feel drawn to do so. sSince you don't, let's
just say that his karma is to long for you.
I would in an impersonal way send him love, compassion, jkindness, and seal
your aura, your space to him so that you don't feel sucked on by him, dragged
at. Send love, but be firm that your space is your own.
These are tricky things to learn about and handle. The old soul tendency is
to think that if someone wants sometnhing from us, it must be karma and maybe we
should grit our teeth and do it. Usually if its karma, you get sucked in,
blinders on, feeling excitement.
And like you said, follow your instinct. Honor it. even when it's a little
confusing to the mind. Hope this helps clarify for the mind.
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:14:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Melissa's old boyfriend
Cutting your Aka Chords that connect to him might be a good stating point.
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 22:53:08 -0600
Subject: Learning More!
Before I begin, allow me to inform you that I sometimes wander when I am
writing as I am thinking--but I did want to express some of my thoughts on
"paper" to get the feel of the network.
I have just recently purchased two books by Jose Stevens (Earth to Tao and
Tao to Earth) and have appreciated them so much. They are well-written and gives
a neophyte some good information. I find the Michael teachings quite
fascinating--in fact I am amazed at how much information in the book I have
already developed for myself. In the Tao to Earth Chapter 1's explanation of the
"pure light" coming to earth is similar to my own developing concept
of the soul as I study particle physics.
I do have questions, however. I wonder why only one entity has seen fit to be
open to communication and does the channeling of other spiritual beings somehow
conflict with this concept of the entity Michael? It would seem that Michael is
saying that whoever wishes to make contact with the entity should be able to do
so--how is this done. My meditation results are not very fruitful; I do feel
less anxious but have felt no real "spiritual" power or other kind of
The reading that Kenneth Broom so graciously gave was that I was a 7th level
old soul, with a warrior essence/ Reading the descriptions given by Stevens I do
find myself in some of the characteristics--but I have never experience any kind
of former life existence or felt any special bond to what might be my twin. In
fact, even though I am a pastor I find myself the past few years being relative
alone in many of my quests and searches. I have no "close" friends,
only acquaintenances that have been and are good to me. My wife and I share a
lot together, although coming from a rather conservatie religious background is
rather hesitent to accepting some of my "stranger" interests.
I am attracted to the Michael teachings becauses they do seem to be so
comprehensive--using both psychology and spirituality to enable a person to
develop as a whole being. I hope that I do not sound negative in my
questions--it is just that I have read of so many experiencing spiritual gifts
that I wonder why I am left out.
I do want to thank you for the support the network has given me as I struggle
with my development.
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:41:44 +0800
From: J J Tan
Subject: Re: Learning More!
At 05:42 AM 11/9/97 -0000, you wrote:
> The reading that Kenneth Broom so
graciously gave was that I was a 7th
> level old soul, with a warrior essence/ Reading the descriptions given
> by Stevens I do find myself in some of the characteristics--but I have
> never experience any kind of former life existence or felt any special
> bond to what might be my twin. In fact, even though I am a pastor I
> find myself the past few years being relative alone in many of my quests
> and searches. I have no "close" friends, only acquaintenances
> been and are good to me. My wife and I share a lot together, although
> coming from a rather conservatie religious background is rather hesitent
> to accepting some of my "stranger" interests.
> I am attracted to the Michael teachings becauses they do seem to be so
> comprehensive--using both psychology and spirituality to enable a person
> to develop as a whole being.
> I hope that I do not sound negative in my questions--it is just that I have
> of so many experiencing spiritual gifts that I wonder why I am left out.
> I do want to thank you for the support the network has given me as I
> struggle with my development.
> Bill Lanning
> Houston, Texas
I would like to comment on some little things. It is not possible for me to
know your background on studying spiritual teachings outside of Christianity, so
I am not going to comment on whether there are (or not) other entities who are
also currently teaching Earth Human beings. :-) I think that there are. It is
just that Michael managed to "gain" themselves publicity through the
books. Not that this publicity means anything to them. (I won't know anyway)
What I would like to comment on is that we create our own reality. You asked
"why I am left out". I would like to propose that you are not
"left out", but your choice of reality, perhaps, ruled out the
possibility of other spiritual experiences. I was channeled as a 3rd level Old
Soul. Same as you, I do not feel any "twin" kinship, nor do I remember
any past lives, irrational attractions towards other people who are in the same
"soul group" (cadence or cadre) as me, etc. I believe it is only my
"imprintment", a conditioning in growing up. The conditioning that
forms a reality that rules out the possibility of supernatural connection with
other people. It is up to me to work around that conditioning, or take it as
"what I am supposed to do in this life". In other words, it is my
choice, my responsibility, to want to continue in this conditioned reality, or
allow myself another side of conditions for another reality.
Of course, in preference to total freedom over any set of conditions and
reality, there is a need to go through several such "realities" in
order to be flexible enough.
But I digress. You mentioned that you meditate. I think that helps very much
(I don't have the patience to meditate, and I'm working on that one, too!). I
suggets you approach meditation with another perspective, angle, approach, etc.
For example, using meditation to undo some of the conditioning that you can
leave out, or persuade/appeal for help in allowing yourself another set of
conditioning and reality.
Hope I'm making sense here. Any people woule like to comment? What does
Michael have to say about this?
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:11:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Learning More!
J J Tan wrote:
> Hope I'm making sense here. Any people
woule like to comment?
> What does Michael have to say about this?
I like what you're saying. It makes sense to me.
I meditated throughout my 20s, and I think it does make you more psychic.
I've found, if you want to open to another spiritual dimension (the planes
beyond the physical), it helps to hang out with other people who are doing that.
I found, when I wanted to channel and do "energy work," for example,
that it was a real mind bender (in a positive way) to be with other old soul
already channeling and healing who took it for granted that all "that
stuff" was real. Very different than the other 99% of the world who had
always taken for granted, and insisted on that to me, that all "that
stuff" is *not* real. <G>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:33:32 +0100
Subject: Re: Learning More!
Kate McMurry wrote:
> I've found, if you want to open to another
> (the planes beyond the physical), it helps to hang out with other people
> who are doing that. I found, when I wanted to channel and do "energy
> work," for example, that it was a real mind bender (in a positive way)
> to be with other old soul already channeling and healing who took it for
> granted that all "that stuff" was real. Very different than the
> 99% of the world who had always taken for granted, and insisted on that
> to me, that all "that stuff" is *not* real.
I couldn't agree with you more, that's precisely how it was for me.
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:16:41 -0600
I want to thank those who have responded to my ramblings and questions, both
on the list and privately! It is good to know that so many of you are willing to
share your own experiences. Because I come from a somewhat dysfunctional family
I have always been hesitant to "open" myself up very much--in fact I
must admit I was surprised that I found myself doing it.
To answer some of your questions, I have had an interest in religious
consciousness since my teens. To fulfill that interest I received a Ph.D. in
World Religions and have done post-doctoral work in the philosophy of science
and since that time have been studying religion, philosophy and quantum physics
Evem though I am a pastor I consider myself to be more of a student of
religion and have had an interest in themes found in the so-called "New
Age" movement since the sixties.
As I believed I indicated I am impressed that so much of what I have learned
through my research is somehow in some of the Michael readings I have read. I
have just finished the second volume of the Stevens book and found that he
answered some of my questions with regard to meditation and channeling. I
understand that he is a therapist--must be a good one because he seems to have a
good feel for the "hurts" felt by people.
I hope to keep involved in the Michael students and books and perhaps some
day I may surprise myself!