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<Nancy> Good evening, everyone here. We are here to
join you in the learning of the joys of agape. In every stage of life on the
physical plane there is the flavor of joy, even in the most abject of
conditions, even when there seems to be no peace or no hope. This is the veil
of Maya, remember. There is always hope, and especially there is always love.
Within the framework of the life patterns you have chosen for this experience
of the physical plane there is the aura of Essence surrounding every choice,
every experience. Sometimes it may be very hard to discern this, very hard to
see the edges of Essence like the sun behind a cloud. Holding this thought,
however, is part of the energy you all have to fight back the shadows of fear.
Fear is the antithesis of love. It is the second strongest element in lives on
this plane. Imagine all your fears of the moment -- losses, damaged bodies,
uneasiness with others -- imagine them as bundled up and captured in that storm
cloud you are looking at. Then see the golden edges around the gray and purple
mass of your creation, the glow of Essence. Every experience, whether you see
it/know it as 'bad' or 'good' is part of your learning to deal with this
plane. But you are not alone, no matter how lonely you may feel. Never are you
without Essence to lend its very real presence to you.
It is unfortunate, but one of the memory
losses of being in a body is the loss of knowing that Essence is present at
all times. You do not have to go looking for it, nor do you have to light
candles to it, nor say special words, nor go to special places. This
'togetherness' is always and everywhere. Essence is part of your arsenal of
weapons to fight off Fear. Does it matter that you cannot remember what love
is? Of course it does. But it matters more that you have forgotten that the
very path back to agape is by way of Essence. Essence has never lost this
memory. Essence is always connected to your beginning.
So how can you and your Essence communicate? By thought. Essence is even purer
energy than are we. The connection we have with you is through your thought
energy. Human beings, however, deal in words. That is their appropriate
milieu. Without words it is hard to have thought. In fact, we would say it is
impossible. You may have, do have, feelings which are hard to put words to,
yes. And those feelings are sometimes more real to you than any thoughts that
might arise. Imagine, then, melding feelings of need, of fear, of
hopelessness, with thoughts that express those feelings and you have a way to
Essence. Your Essence has power you cannot begin to fathom. Draw on it. Make
it a part of your means of dealing with the fears that bind you, that burden
Sharing these with Essence is how you understand this connection. 'Sharing' is
not really what happens, however, because Essence already knows your state.
But it is the way of human fragments to see this as a connection that they
initiate. That is well. It does not matter what makes the drawing as long as
the contours are discernible.
Tonight we offer this for your understanding: Your guides, your guardians,
your connections to Entity and Cadre, even your energetic connection to us is
as the flame of a match when compared to your connection with Essence, a
veritable firestorm of power, available to you for the asking. When you think
about your situation, no matter how great or small, no matter how much or how
little the concern is, remember the force that is there for your good, if you
choose to acknowledge it.
Now we will take your questions.
<DaveGregg> Carrot, you have the first question...
Q & A
<CarrotWax> My question is
about levels of soul ages. In describing them, it's often descriptive about
what type of lives people live - as well as the positive and negative pole.
But is there an actual curriculum? I seem to remember on Victoria's site
there was a piece on mature souls, how levels mapped to exploring various
cardinalities of relationships. But never saw anything for the old soul
<Nancy> If we understand your question, Matthew, we
would say that Yes, there is a map of sorts for every level, and so one for
the Old soul level.
In the Old level, the final one for the fragments of the physical cycle, the
seven levels are similar to what has gone before, with the exception that all
is now turned more inward. The first level is still concerned with the energy
of the Mature cycle and its emotional character. It has finished the 7th level
Mature as a pulling together all of the lessons of that level, but it has no
real experience with the Old level energy as such just yet. The several
lifetimes that are necessary to adjust to the new energy allow the fragment to
become comfortable in its space there.
Then it comes to the
second level, a time of diving into the work of the Old level but stepping
back often because of its unfamiliarity. This is a dramatic, often wearying
number of lives as the fragment learns to find its balance once more.
The third level is one of interior activity,
weighing and measuring, putting things in perspective, ready to launch fully
into the choices of the Old level.
The fourth is one of outward activity, fully into the energy of the Old soul
experience, fully concerned with taking care of the lessons that are wrapping
up the cycle. These experiences can include setting out to bring the knowledge
of the Tao within the framework of the individual role. Even those who we
characterize as those in the waking sleep feel the urge to honor truth, as
nearly as they can understand it, by exploring the terrain. For those who are
awake, it is a time of activity with a purpose.
The fifth level of Old is sometimes thought of as a not-quite-here kind of
experience. Fragments make choices that may seem quite outlandish to others,
and what is more, they do not seem to mind at all that they are perceived as
strange or odd. The pull of the finish is beginning to tell on them. Spiritual
elements are very strongly pursued, the matters of the physical plane become
uninteresting. These fragments may find familial connections difficult,
economic responsibilities even more so. Relationships are probably much less
intense as the Old fragment tends to work its single-minded way towards the
The six level is the time of freeing itself from all karmic responsibilities.
Every karma ribbon will be burned before the end of the lives in this level.
This leads to this level being somewhat long for some fragments, necessitating
many lives in order to meet and finish all karmic agreements. Since the
physical problems of geography, age, and so forth can be a very real deterrent
to two fragments meeting to conclude these matters, there is an effort between
lives to come to agreements that will balance these karmas with honor on
The seventh stage of the Old level is turned toward the end. Old fragments in
general find it difficult to get very concerned about such things that Mature
fragments get incensed over. And those who are in the final lives of the cycle
are even more distanced from these concerns. The fragment is turned in, aware
of self-karmic needs, lessons relating to the individual's mastery of the
physical plane. Self-awareness is the lesson here, acceptance is the goal, no
matter what the chosen 'goal' has been. The lesson of Acceptance, of Agape, is
the final work of the fragment on this plane. When this lesson has been fully
acknowledged, the fragment is ready to cycle off.
<DaveGregg> John M, you're next...
<John_Marmaro> Thank you;
regarding Essence contact...I know it is not something one can will to happen,
or bring about on order, so to speak, but can Michael suggest some practices, or
behaviors, which, when consciously applied, might make it more likely to occur?
<Nancy> When we say that it is unnecessary to go about connecting with
Essence as though one were placating a god, we mean merely that there is no
need for ritual that must be followed in a precise fashion or it will not work.
This is the basis for superstition: If I walk three times around the circle with
my hands held just so and say the following words backwards
. . . No, there is
no ritual to connecting with Essence. However, we understand your need for some
guidance in this matter and we make these suggestions:
Since you often shower,
why not use a good showering to start yourself off in the frame of mind that may
lead to the desired end? During the shower you might bring your intention to
mind, the things you would like to 'talk over' with Essence. Then, after
toweling and robing, you might sit comfortably and bring yourself into a
meditative mood. If visualizations are useful to you, visualize Essence sitting
across from you, in what ever guise you find attractive. Every fragment is
different in this respect.
Some will like to imagine Essence as a firelight, others clothe it in human
form. IT does not matter. Any form is appropriate for something that is
essentially formless. Then hold conversation with your Essence. Talk over your
concerns, leaving some quiet time between for Essence to respond. It does not
matter if you do not 'hear' the responses. Be assured that they do happen. When
you have finished your conversation, sit quietly for some moments, allowing the
energy that has been created between you to become more fully a part of your
own. That is one way.
It may be after some practice at this, that you can enter your dialogue with
Essence while walking the dog, or resting your eyes at your desk, or in any
other place where you can turn your thoughts to it. We do not recommend that you
attempt Essence contact while driving your automobile. It is certainly possible,
but you may find that your attention to what you are doing is less than perfect.
(Smiles) No one should imagine that our suggestions concerning the shower is at
all necessary, either. It is just a reasonable starting point and may help.
<John_Marmaro> Thank you Michael and Nancy!
<DaveGregg> Shannon, you're next...
<ShannonB> I've never really
understood much about the Fifth Internal Monad. I know what is happening in the
Fourth, and the Sixth and Seventh, but what is the object of going through the
Fifth? What is a fragment "working on" or seeking to accomplish during that
<Nancy> The fifth internal monad is a summing up, a reflection on the
agreements, tasks, adventures of the life chosen. Unlike the 4th internal monad,
which can take years in some cases, the 5th is often a matter of weeks. It can
take longer but it may be that when a fragment comes to the realization that
taking stock is in order, and depending on the role and the attitude, it gets to
it rather expeditiously. It is not unusual for the 5th internal monad to be
undertaken at a point when all physical plane responsibilities seem to be at an
end. It is also possible that there can be a number of years between this
summing up and the 6th monad. For those of you who are living lives at this
time, it would not be unusual for there to be 15 or 20 years or even more of
life after the 5th monad is completed. In this instance, as we have said
previously, a fragment enters a 'free fall' period, a time when choices can be
made without concern for others.
The balance achieved during the 5th monad is one of acceptance of lessons
learned and of acceptance also of agreements abrogated for whatever reason, of
acknowledgement of failures and of successes, and of facing with integrity the
reality that the life has been. This is the point of the monad.
<ShannonB> thank you
<DaveGregg> Tzm, you're next...
<tzm> My question has to do
with Cycles. I haven’t seen that much written about them, but they would seem to
me to be far more significant than Soul Age in giving a sense of the maturity or
sophistication or “enlightened-ness” of a soul. Could you speak about the
significance of the # of Previous Cycles of a fragment? (I was channeled as 7th
level Young Priest but I relate much more to the Old Soul Age descriptions! I
have 11 previous cycles—could that be why? Or my Priest role?)
<Nancy> Within each cycle of ensoulment there is the overarching goal of
lessons to be learned, lessons that are mapped out for a whole entity and
ultimately a whole cadre. We will stop with these. The role and casting that is
chosen by a fragment for each cycle relates to these choices. Every role/casting
combination, therefore, will know at a very basic level of its consciousness
what these choices are, although none of this will usually be part of the
consciousness of the individual fragment during the lives lived in the cycle.
The seven levels of soul evolution, five of them on the physical plane and two
above it, are meant to provide the fragment, who is a part of
cadence/entity/cadre, with a framework within which evolution will be possible.
And the order of creation guarantees that evolution will be achieved. Once the
whole cycle of a human life is completed the processes may be repeated to allow
for a new set of experiences. Remember that not all of your cycles have been
attached to this form. Other forms of creation experience lives in much
different ways than you do. These experiences then become a part of the tapestry
of the totality of your creation and of creation as a whole.
Therefore, it is not accurate to think of the levels as being of
greater consequence than the cycles, nor of the cycles as being of greater
consequence than soul levels. They are totally different dimensions of the
experience of being a creature.
<tzm> Food for thought. Thank you.
<DaveGregg> Elo, you're next...
<Elo-Maria> I'm interested
in how overleaves manifest in cetaceans. Could Michael take some particular
examples, describe a cetacean with discrimination goal, idealist attitude,
intellectual centering etc?
<Nancy> The overleaves are a part of creation. Every creature who is
ensouled has access to the same sets of overleaves, whether he is a human being,
or a cetacean, or a denizen of a planet of the center of this or any other
galaxy. To describe how they are manifested is to mirror your own life. The
goals, attitudes, modes, chief features are experienced in much the same way in
other forms of creation as human fragments experience them.
A dolphin with the goal of discrimination, an intellectually centered idealist,
would be one who probably also has chosen observation, although he might have
preferred caution. Within his social circle, and dolphins are exceedingly
sociable, he is likely one to whom his fellows turn for his views in any
discussion. Idealists tend to see things as they should be and are quite ready
to tell others what they think this ‘should be’ looks like. Discrimination will
tend to be seen as the act of choosing the ideal and intellectual centering will
confirm this dolphin's rational expression of his choices, as opposed to an
Although intellectual centering is very common in your culture, among cetaceans
moving center is the more common choice, for obvious reasons. The role, will of
course, influence how each of the goals, attitudes, modes, and chief features
are expressed in a given dolphin’s life.
<Elo-Maria> Thank you!
<DaveGregg> Diane is next.
<dianekeith> I'm having
trouble putting my question into words, Dave. I guess skip me.
<Nancy> We remind the fragment Diane that overleaves
are chosen in the 'time' between lives. They are the choice of the individual
fragment each lifetime. The choice is not usually made with any but the
individual fragment’s objectives in mind, the need to connect with those with
whom there are agreements, karmic arrangements, or other connections. The choice
of overleaves, rather than being of any importance, is sometimes overlooked, to
the detriment of the plans being made.
<DaveGregg> What's the nature of it? Maybe we could help?
<Nancy> Just type some nouns. That may help.
<dianekeith> Okay. I'm wondering if we choose to incarnate with others of
certain overleaves more than other overleaves?
<Nancy> (Nancy) That is a fine question. Michael?
What may look like a reasonable connection, say a mating agreement during the
astral planning stage, will, because of the choice of overleaves by either
party, become improbable if not impossible in the lifetime. Therefore, we would
have to say that fragments do not usually concern themselves with the overleaf
choices of others. Agreements, monads, karmas, and simple affinities are much
more likely considerations.
<dianekeith> Thank you
<DaveGregg> That was the last question, Nancy. What would you like to do?
<Nancy> I would like to ask the Michaels to finish for the evening.
<Nancy> When the soul of any creature is cast from
the Tao, it takes with it an imprint, so to speak, of its origin, a blueprint of
its being a part of the Tao. By agreement, it then 'forgets' this blueprint,
this memory, although the residue of it haunts the fragment for the rest of its
separation from the Tao. It is this shadow memory that underpins all the
experiences of all the lives that you live, in this cycle and in every
cycle of your choosing. And you do choose to cycle through creation. There are
those who choose not to, who do not leave the Tao as you, and we, have.
By making this choice you follow the general pattern set by your entity/cadre
and go about the business of fulfilling your part of the bargain. For every
question: Why am I here? What is it I have to do? there is only one answer: Be.
The rest will take care of itself. Now, we do not subscribe to the quietism that
this may sound like. But too much energy is expended in the effort to 'discover'
who am I and what am I supposed to be doing? You are a spark of the All That Is.
You will choose to do as you have chosen to do from the beginning of your
separation from IT. We say this to comfort those who worry so about their
humanity. Instead of thinking that if you do not find exactly the 'right' place
you are 'supposed' to be that somehow you will fail your mission, be assured,
you cannot fail. Every choice you make is part of your experience of human life.
Every choice you make is a good one. The outcome may not look like that to you,
but rest assured, from the perspective of Essence, you have not failed. You not
only cannot fail, but you will arrive at the end of each life as a spectacular
success! Now, go in peace!
Thank you Nancy/Michael.
<Kathryn41> thank you Michael; thank you Nancy
<Julian97> Thank you
<Elisa17> Thank you Michael and Nancy
<JohnRoth> Thank you!
<DaveGregg> Very nice session! What did you guys think of this type of chat?
<ShannonB> Thank you, Nancy, it was a nice evening
<LaurelB> Very interesting questions! Thank you! I liked this much
<DianeH> Thank you, Nancy and Michael.
<LindaW> Wow that was excellent. Thanks, Nancy and Michael...Lots to ponder...
<cynzim> I like the focused chat.
<Elisa17> I enjoyed it very much. Nice focus.
<JohnRoth> I liked it.
<Kathryn41> This was very good tonight.
<DaveGregg> Good! We'll try to do more of these. The idea is to rotate this
among the channels, so there will be both open sessions and focused ones.
<SamL> Thank you for channeling.
<DaveGregg> Yes, a big thanks to Nancy for filling in for Shepherd tonight!
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