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1998 - Week 17


SUMMARY:  Another year begins on the list.
Dualism and inputs are discussed. Especially how inputs might influence musical composition. 


THE POSTS:

 

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:35:09 -0500
Subject: Re: RE: Magnetic Kings

Jody B wrote:

 

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I was re-reading MFM and got to wondering about magnetic kings,

 

Hi Jody,

   Don't know much about magnetic kings, but I hear that it's hard for them to wear watches.

John M


Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:38:25 -0700
Subject: Re: There is no TRUTH

John,

That's about as bad as the question that has stumped me all my life.... How can there possibly be a "never ends" of all that is? I understand all the exactness and the walls that this physical plane helps to create. What I cannot comprehend is that which goes on forever.... Where are the walls to the universe....?? So much that I can not remember yet....sigh

Hugs (just because)
Diane

 

> As much as all this makes sense to me, I still have some problems with the big
> picture of why God set it all up this way. First, I'm just not eager to believe that
> God has needs (to know himself) or even desires. And if God is infinitely creative,

 


Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:31:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Shakespeare

JJ,

I think you and I take this teaching very much the same way but then maybe that's our take as Sages...:-) I enjoyed reading your thoughts and ideas on this topic of discrepancies. I basically feel that what ever resonates with me is the best I can come up with at this time. It will be a never ending game of validation, validation, validation....:)

Hugs,
Diane

 

> < the rest snipped>
>
> Well, I would like to comment just on this point... being that this is
> something I mentioned before, about "changing Goal"... Having more
> flexibility with certain parts of our overleaves (as described so nicely by
> Ted Fontaine), I believe that it is possible to change all of our
> overleaves that we chose for one particular life-time. Shepherd mentioned
> that we chose our set of overleaves for a particular purpose. I can
> confirm (validate) that I am most efficient (pragmatic -- that being my
> Attitude... so that doesn't really say much) when I'm using my current overleaves.
>
> <and a further snippent> :)

 


Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:58:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: There is no TRUTH

 

>As much as all this makes sense to me, I still have some problems with the big
>picture of why God set it all up this way. First, I'm just not eager to believe that
>God has needs (to know himself) or even desires. And if God is infinitely creative,

 

    That reminds me,
    Once at a Michael retreat the guy who in a previous life was Heisenberg (sp?) of Heisenberg uncertainty principle fame sparked a conversation about the universe. Michael said we can help design the next universe if we want. He said Heisenberg was one of those who chose to get involved with the design of this universe that we are in now.
    My personal suspicion of why all that is created this plane is because God got bored and he needed a little entertainment. We are maybe the Nintendo for the Tao?
    Mike H


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:59:16 EDT
Subject: Changing Overleaves

Hi everyone,

      Michael has said on more than one occasion that the only part of the overleaves that we can change during a lifetime are the Chief Features. And just when we got used to them, then they get sneaky on us and do a switch! I say go figure:) I think that its important that we remain open and flexible with these teachings, but not to the point of losing sight of the core teachings. Personally, Im not much for parallel lives and walk-ins because I have observed lots of folks getting caught up in the mystery and drama of thoseconcepts,only to avoid what their work is here on the physical plane. All is chosen- we all end up at the end of the line eventually:P

      And as one now infamous Michael channel said, "after we die, we all go to the Acucheck Bardo station and get our correct overleaves!"

      Also, about the Magnetic Kings: in a session this last weekend, they said through SC that there are now 300 plus MOKings incarnate at this time. That's certainly more than the 50plus mentioned in MMFM don't you think?

      best regards, Victoria Marina. AMT channel


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:14:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Kenneth's numbers

Kenneth,

 

/ Dick Hein wrote:
/ >
/ > Ed,
/ >
/ > | Dear Dick -- You mention that traditionally the "raw numbers" are based
/ > | on roles. Maybe, in some mention in the early '70s groups.....but I
/ > | have the impression that with JP and the other Orinda channels who are
/ > | giving out "raw numbers" that number has nothing to do with roles.
/ >
/ > Quite likely.
/ >
/ > I assumed raw numbers were role-based, largely because of the material in
/ > Yarbro (cast by role). Also information in »Journey« tends to confirm
/ > this (notice particularly the last sentence).(§1)
/ >
/ > I agree, however, that if casting is not necessarily by role, then the
/ > concept of role-based raw numbers is meaningless.
/ >
/ > [clipped]
/
/ Thanks, guys, for bringing up this point. I have been very concerned about this particular
/ issue since my channeling of role based raw numbers has been getting more and more
/ difficult and hazier and hazier... plus I was losing any inner feel for it's value to me
/ or my clients.
/
/ Of much greater value, it's turning out for me, is the raw number of an essence's position
/ within its whole entity. This for me, when I did my own, was like finding out where I
/ really lived... where home is... what my address is. There is a power to the entity-based
/ raw number that does not exist in the role-based raw number. I think this is due to the
/ entity's roles not being formed all together in a clump... that the role essences are
/ scattered throughout the entity.

 

As mentioned in my response to Barry, your number of 1481 resolves to 4/2/31=3 which gives you a Scholar/Artisan/Warrior influence (assuming standard structure of cadence groupings). Does that resonate better than Server/Sage/Sage which came from 225?
My guess is it probably does.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:17:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Magnetic Kings

Jody B wrote:

 

> I get no respect! I ask about my entity, I'm told it's "pound puppies." I ask
> about magnetic kings, I get watch jokes. Jeez!
>
> Hey! I can't wear watches, does that mean I'm a magnetic scholar?
>
> ------<--{@ Jody

 

Jody,

   I really didn't mean any harm in my joke and I hope you didn't take that personally. As a light hearted sage, I can focus on the humor sometimes without being as sensitive as might be wise.

   Recently, I had heard that magnetic kings are 6th level old kings and have a particular task and talant in drawing people to them with certain agreements. These kings are supposedly very rare and there's presently only a handful of them incarnated presently.

   The not able to wear watches comment is strickly my speculation.

John M


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:43:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Kenneth's numbers

Dick Hein wrote:

 

> Kenneth wrote:
> /
> / Of much greater value, it's turning out for me, is the raw number of an essence's
> / position within its whole entity. This for me, when I did my own, was like finding
> / out where I really lived... where home is... what my address is. There is a power to
> / the entity-based raw number that does not exist in the role-based raw number. I
> / think this is due to the entity's roles not being formed all together in a clump...
> / that the role essences are scattered throughout the entity.
>
> As mentioned in my response to Barry, your number of 1481 resolves to 4/2/31=3 which
> gives you a Scholar/Artisan/Warrior influence (assuming standard structure of cadence
> groupings). Does that resonate better than Server/Sage/Sage which came from 225?
> My guess is it probably does.

 

The Scholar/Artisan/Warrior influence (4/2/3) resonates much more strongly than the Server/Sage/Sage influence (1/5/5). I expect that is why the latter numbers felt useless to me even tho' I channeled them. And I use the word "useless" to mean "not having much value" rather than "being incorrect". The 1/5/5 numbers are the results of the Akashic trying accomodate itself to my uninformed questioning.

per Michael: (not quoted)
-------------------------
My Essence is in the Scholar position of my Primary Cadence.

My Primary Cadence is in the Artisan Position of my Greater Cadence.

My Essence is in the 1,481st Position of my Entity.

A much more powerful system of numbers for me is 4/2/1481=4, which gives me a Scholar/Artisan/Scholar influence. This has an even greater resonance than the 4/2/31=3 notation, due primarily to the following:

"Greater Cadence" has little meaning within an Entity, but is a useful means of describing the group of fragments that may have a very important effect on a fragment's life during an incarnation cycle. They are the pool from which the Quadrates, Septates, and other groupings may be drawn. ET's and TC's are also part of the Greater Cadence. And... each fragment is part of the Greater Cadence of each member of her/his Greater Cadence.

The position numbers seem to be just influences/imprintings acting upon the Essences. Any Essence may occupy any entity position. There are other considerations(sic) regarding Entity Organization that have not been discussed yet, and will be discussed when we Michael Students can perceive them. Continue asking questions.

Just as a reminder: in order for there to be an entity mate relationship there must also be an equality of both fragments' Cadre Hierarchy from Entity thru Cadre and up through the Greater Cadre Groups all the way up to the TAO. Having the same Cadre and Entity numbers does not necessarily make for Entity Mates. JJ Tan mentioned this in a private post to me.

Michael suggests that fragments validate their relationships through their own inner knowings and feelings. These are much more telling than Cadre and Entity relationship numbers due to their immediacy in the Here and Now.

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:53:27 EDT
Subject: INFINITE UNIVERSE:

 

That's about as bad as the question that has stumped me all my life.... How
can there possibly be a "never ends" of all that is? I understand all the
exactness and the walls that this physical plane helps to create. What I
cannot comprehend is that which goes on forever.... Where are the walls to
the universe....?? So much that I can not remember yet....sigh

Hugs (just because)
Diane

 

To the ants in my kitchen,the universe of the kitchen has no end,its sooo big they cant comprehend the concept.
maibe,just maibe we are the ants in a big universe?
when i was a child used to go up very high in a building,and look down at the street.
all my adolescense just go up that building and look down reminded me that i am just like an ant,and thought of this.
Does it matter the worries and angers of just one?does it changes anything? Or is it better to all work together?
this universe is infinite,and we are as little as an ant,in an inmense universe.
much love,
Gwendy


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:40:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Changing Overleaves

Victoria wrote:

(Snip)

 

> Personally, Im not much for parallel lives and walk-ins because I
> have observed lots of folks getting caught up in the mystery and drama of
> thoseconcepts,only to avoid what their work is here on the physical plane. All
> is chosen- we all end up at the end of the line eventually:P

 

I thank you and I completely concur with your opinion of playing games with theories and ideas that, while fascinating, deter one from the Life Task.

(Snip)

 

> Also, about the Magnetic Kings: in a session this last weekend, they said
> through SC that there are now 300 plus MOKings incarnate at this time. That's
> certainly more than the 50plus mentioned in MMFM don't you think?

 

I was misunderstood regarding my comments about Magnetic Kings. I said I thought I had found the King who would be my magnetic king when the time came. She is not yet a magnetic king, but I "believe" she will be when "cycle off" time comes for me. My apologies to Jody for the misunderstanding.

Jeanne


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:24:12 PDT
Subject: Re: Changing Overleaves

Hi
I am a musician in the new york city subway writing from a public library. I have received so many emails from spiritweb that it will take a while to answer it all. I am wanting to hear about the latest advances in astral technology and wish to communicate with those involved in the coming transformation.
love to all

David T
The subway Serenade


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:31:27 -0700
Subject: Limits and Pushing Ahead

Here's a little something for the bit of Spiritualist attitude and Perseverance mode within us all, that I hope you enjoy!
Love,
Lori

 

Limitations
+++++++++++++++++++

The most successful people have reached the top not because they
are free of limitations, but because each day, each moment, they
act in spite of their limitations. We are blessed with virtually
unlimited possibilities, and we must pursue those possibilities
within the very real confines of our own limitations. Every person
who has ever lived has struggled against their own set of limitations.

What are your limitations? Do you see them as an excuse for defeat,
as a reason to give up? The limitations you face are not there to
stop you, but rather to challenge and ultimately to support you.
Limitations provide a frame of reference, something to push against,
a way to grow.

Everything you have ever accomplished, has been done in spite of
your limitations. You've proven, over and over again, that you can
overcome your own unique challenges. Refuse to let your limitations
stand in the way of your possibilities.

Look ahead
+++++++++++++++++++

Waiting on the other side of your problem, there is a solution.
On the other side of your discouragement, there is joy. Once you
get through your trouble, it will be behind you. At the moment it
may seem like everything is going wrong, because you're seeing the
world from a negative perspective. The way out is to work yourself through.

The world will look better when you resolve to make it better, when
you take the disappointments in stride and refuse to let them stop
you. You are better than the difficulties that now plague you. Work
through them, put them behind you, and your life will be richer
for the experience.

Look ahead, look beyond the disappointments of today. Remember where
you're headed. Keep the ultimate goal in mind. What seem to be setbacks
are actually steps along the path. Just because you encounter a detour,
doesn't mean you must stop. Work your way through and you'll move
yourself ahead.

 


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:33:56 EDT
Subject: Re: INFINITE UNIVERSE:

I myself like the concept of micro/macro...you know, not necessarily ends but everything within itself over and over. I guess I would imagine it would end by beginning very small again...the, what is that...uburos? snake eating it's own tail? And then that snake is just one of many other snakes doing the same thing? To get beyond the whole cycle stuff, I imagine it must be jumping to a whole different level. Which is also a part (together with ours) of something else. So maybe it doesn't end! But that's why some of this cadre system stuff makes sense to me. BUT it is a bit distressing if I try to imagine myself now as a cell in a body, and then stop to think about how much of an individual my cells are...help! If my feelings are like that of a cell...well, guess that's just an issue of being too wrapped up in the ego, huh?

Okay, well, anyways, (seems that I'm getting a lot of extra et artisan attention and am writing in a rather scattered way -- sorry!) something about the eastern ideas of maya (that's it, isn't it?)...where everything is an illusion...I bet that's true about the whole cyclical system too. All a matter of perspective. I'm just gonna work on finding those truths and laws that are always there in everything, 'cause I think I would get lost very easily trying to see everything "out there" and above.

So, I guess this does apply (at least for me) to the Michael system, because no one is really "wrong"...we're all just worked into different places within the system, and have different viewpoints. Someone on the tiniest level is really no farther than someone on the highest/grandest. Same rules apply, in essence. What is essential. Okay, that's enough babbling for today I think. Yes, one day I thought I stumbled upon the meaning of life, and that was to find the meaning of life. Maybe that is it. (or part of the quest of being human at least) Or maybe it's to find the meaning in life. But I have a feeling it's more of just being a part of it all. yes? gathering our perspectives? Maybe the "god/all that is" that is trying to get different views of itself (if that is indeed the case) is doing that because it doesn't know either, and isn't any more "in the know" than the rest of us.

It is so hard to imagine grander stuff without comparing it to our own existence, isn't it? Is that why we run into so many problems figuring it out, or is it a matter of mirrors and repeating levels? Anyone?

Kris


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:39:30 -0700
Subject: Re: New and delurking

Hi:

I am delurking to say that my name is Linda. I've been directed (within) to find out what I can about Michael teachings. I can't say that I understand very much about this list and am learning. I had my overleaves channeled recently. I would like to know what book to purchase which explains about the overleaves terms and in general about Michael teachings? I came across several books on the internet, but don't know which one would be a good starter book. Thanks in advance for your help.

Peace,
Linda


Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:50:40 +0800
Subject: Re: Shakespeare

At 01:43 AM 4/28/98 -0000, Diane L. S wrote:

 

>JJ,
>
>I think you and I take this teaching very much the same way but then maybe
>that's our take as Sages...:-) I enjoyed reading your thoughts and ideas on
>this topic of discrepancies. I basically feel that what ever resonates with
>me is the best I can come up with at this time. It will be a never ending
>game of validation, validation, validation....:)
>
>Hugs,
>Diane

 

Thanks. :-) Well, now that I have my more-complete overleaves channeled by Kenneth Broom, the subject of ET and TC comes up. And according to the info, I am supposed to have contacted both my ET and TC... and I have no idea!! Time to validate...!!

Hugs to you too!! ('cause my Reserve Mode prohibits me too much!)

Regards.

J J Tan


Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:54:23 +0800
Subject: Re: Re: There is no TRUTH

At 02:53 AM 4/28/98 -0000, Mike H wrote:

 

>    My personal suspicion of why all that is created this plane is because
>God got bored and he needed a little entertainment. We are maybe the
>Nintendo for the Tao?
>    Mike H

 

Well... we, player of Nintendo, can't change the rules of the games. But we, as creator of this plane, gets to choose and change whichever rules we want. And that's part of the game. :-)

J J Tan


Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:14:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Kenneth's numbers / Casting order

 

| From: Kenneth Broom
| Subject: Re: Kenneth's numbers
| Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:43:11 -0400
|
| Dick Hein wrote:
|
| > As mentioned in my response to Barry, your number of 1481 resolves to
| > 4/2/31=3 which gives you a Scholar/Artisan/Warrior influence (assuming
| > standard structure of cadence groupings). Does that resonate better
| > than Server/Sage/Sage which came from 225? My guess is it probably does.
|
| The Scholar/Artisan/Warrior influence (4/2/3) resonates much more
| strongly than the Server/Sage/Sage influence (1/5/5).
|
| A much more powerful system of numbers for me is 4/2/1481=4, which gives
| me a Scholar/Artisan/Scholar influence. This has an even greater
| resonance than the 4/2/31=3 notation...

 

I guess it makes sense to figure it that way if it's the case that...

 

| "Greater Cadence" has little meaning within an Entity,

 

What is meant here is "Greater Cadence position", correct?

 

| but [Greater Cadence] is a useful means of describing the group of
| fragments that may have a very important effect on a fragment's life
| during an incarnation cycle. They are the pool from which the
| Quadrates, Septates, and other groupings may be drawn.

 

I was unaware of that.

 

| ET's and TC's are also part of the Greater Cadence.

 

It is my understanding that one's ET is in the same casting position in a different Entity within the same Cadre. Mine has been channeled to fit that structure.

 

| And... each fragment is part of the Greater Cadence of each member of her/his Greater Cadence.

 

Huh? Isn't that defining something in terms of itself?

 

| The position numbers seem to be just influences/imprintings acting upon the Essences.

 

Right.

 

| Any Essence may occupy any entity position.

 

That is the current (new) understanding.

 

| There are other considerations(sic) regarding Entity Organization that
| have not been discussed yet, and will be discussed when we Michael
| Students can perceive them. Continue asking questions.

 

Count on it!

 

| Just as a reminder: in order for there to be an entity mate relationship
| there must also be an equality of both fragments' Cadre Hierarchy from
| Entity thru Cadre and up through the Greater Cadre Groups all the way up
| to the TAO. Having the same Cadre and Entity numbers does not
| necessarily make for Entity Mates.

 

Wouldn't that depend on one's definition of "Entity Mate"? Also, how can two fragments in the same Entity not have identical casting hierarchy up to the Tao?

 

| Michael suggests that fragments validate their relationships through
| their own inner knowings and feelings. These are much more telling than
| Cadre and Entity relationship numbers due to their immediacy in the Here and Now.

 

To me, "validate" means essentially to confirm. The numbers give us a place to start, something to validate.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:14:57 -0700
Subject: Re: New and delurking

 

| Hi:
|
| I am delurking to say that my name is Linda. I've been directed
| (within) to find out what I can about Michael teachings. I can't say
| that I understand very much about this list and am learning. I had my
| overleaves channeled recently. I would like to know what book to
| purchase which explains about the overleaves terms and in general about
| Michael teachings? I came across several books on the internet, but
| don't know which one would be a good starter book. Thanks in advance
| for your help.
|
| Peace,
| Linda

 

It is probably the case that every student has their favorite book. As you noted, there are several on the market.

Probably the most thorough and complete book currently available is »The Journey of Your Soul« by Shepherd Hoodwin. If you go back through the archives of this list you will note instances of students being completely engrossed when they first get the book. It's really quite good.

Another one I like is »The World According to Michael« by Joya Pope. It is a much smaller book than »Journey« but gives a good overall view of the teachings.

If you go to Shepherd's site at http://www.Summerjoy.com/ you can read some of the chapters in »Journey«.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:25:06 EDT
Subject: Re: Re: Kenneth's numbers / Casting order

In a message dated 4/29/98 6:01:53 AM, Ken wrote:

 

>> Also, how can two fragments in the same Entity not have identical casting hierarchy up to the Tao?
>
>This is my point. All of the hierarchy numbers must be the same... from Entity on up. I am
>wondering if the Cadre Group Number and the Greater Cadre Group Number (and whatever
>comes between Cadre Group and the TAO) need to also be channeled before one can be
>"numerically" sure of an entity mate relationship? See page 165 of Shepherd's "Journey".
>
>Shepherd, could you give us a hand here please... what's your take on the above paragraph.

 

The cadre numbers Michael uses through me are each unique. They do not imply a particular position within a cadre group--they just keep going up, although I've never gotten a number higher than 23, since "birds of a feather flock together." I simply wouldn't have cause to channel a chart for someone very far afield from me. However, the numbers I get can be translated into their positions within cadre groups.

Sarah's new system starts with very large groupings, "nodes," and works to the more specific. I don't yet have enough information on it to translate between it and the system Michael uses through me.

Best,
Shepherd


Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:02:23 +0000
Subject: Tracing your roots

Hi folks,

With regard to tracing your "roots" up to the Tao. I fully agree that at present there's just no way to know if one "Entity 3, Cadre 4" is the same as another "Entity 3, Cadre 4" without further details. Just as there's obviously more than one "apartment 3 on the 4th floor" within a whole city. The address system given so far seems to be just too limited.

However, using Sarah C's *node* info, I think I've got a clearer picture of what's going on which can help to narrow things down somewhat.

For instance, I'm told that myself, my wife and my sister-in-law are all members of Node 804. As far as I can tell, node number is a specific address system for this planet, a sort of unique zip code for those working on Earth. There isn't any other Node 804 in this neck of the woods!

The "node" (or "pod"?) is the highest organizational unit yet identified by Michael. In Sarah C's readings, a node apparently incorporates 343 cadres, which makes 2,401 entities ( or >2.4 million fragments).

Also according to Sarah's info [and thanks to Shepherd for passing this on], specific nodes are identified by a somewhat peculiar number system, beginning with Node 100. One factor in this is the species type:-

      Nodes 100-1xx are human
      Nodes 200-2xx are human
      Nodes 300-3xx are cetacean
      Nodes 400-4xx are human
      Nodes 500-5xx are cetacean
      Nodes 600-6xx are human
      Nodes 700-7xx are cetacean
      Nodes 800-8xx are human
      Nodes 900-9xx are cetacean

Perhaps Node 100 was the first node on Earth -- the first great wave of souls (2 and a half million of them...) to ensoul the human species. If that's the case, then being in Node 804 puts me way down the list -- nothing wrong with that!

However, I don't know if all nodes 100-299 would have incarnated before the first wave of cetaceans (300?), or if it's more a matter of any old node deciding to "go in" when it's good and ready (cetacean node 465 followed by human node 205...). Of course, it doesn't matter in terms of who's in which Node.

Looking at it carefully, if every possible 3-figure slot is filled, the above list only accounts for up to 500 nodes of souls incarnating as humans (that's about 0.125 billion fragments) and up to 400 nodes incarnating as cetaceans. There must be more, I reckon, so the list surely goes on beyond Node 999. Exactly how many 'human' nodes there are in action at present is hard to say, but I'd say there must be at least some 2,500 human nodes involved. This will include fragments who currently are doing their thing in the astral locker room between lives, not just those of us running around on the planet wondering who we are.

I don't know if any entire nodes have already cycled off the planet.

Anyway, coming back to the original point, if we all had our node numbers and greater cadre numbers, we'd all have our unique addresses -- not all the way up to the Tao, but as far as is necessary for planet Earth -- unless you're just a visiting alien of course and need to know your place in the galaxy.

Maybe we're ALL in Node 804!

BTW, I'm not suggesting that Sarah's got it "right" and all other numbering systems are "wrong"; I'm just following whatever seems to bring me some Scholarly clarity in this great abundance of information, which I love.

      B a r r y
_______________________
      Mature Scholar

 

 


Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:49:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: There is no TRUTH

At 02:53 AM 4/28/98 -0000, Mike wrote:

 

> > My personal suspicion of why all that is created this plane is because
> >God got bored and he needed a little entertainment. We are maybe the
> >Nintendo for the Tao?

 

JJ wrote:

 

> Well... we, player of Nintendo, can't change the rules of the games. But
> we, as creator of this plane, gets to choose and change whichever rules we
> want. And that's part of the game. :-)

 

Well spoken JJ and I would add that since we "are" the Tao, we are playing in "virtual reality".

Love and Laughter :-))

Jeanne


Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:42:09 EDT
Subject: Shroud of Turin

Hello everyone,

      I have a question. In the original Messages From Michael, Michael says that the Shroud of Turin is most definitely real. That is, it is the actual cloth that Jesus was wrapped in. Well, within the last decade or so, 4 separate universities simultaneously tested the Shroud using carbon-14 dating and ALL of them found that it only dated from the 13th or 14th century. Therefore, the Shroud is not what the Catholic church claims it to be. I understand Michael sometimes "makes mistakes" but he goes on about the validity of the Shroud in detail for almost a full page. If such a major blatant error is made, how can we be sure that the other claims Michael make are true?

 

Fromtl


Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:53:08 EDT
Subject: Think for yourself

You think for yourself and you get insite and perspective from Michael. When I can't figure something out or have run out of logical explanations, then I get channeling. To get channeling before one has exhausted self plans of action on any subject could lead to weakness, lack of self confidence and eventually ineptness. I know some very successful people who won't lift a finger without consulting Michael and they do very well. It does not work for me. Michael works best for me when I need an understanding or POV of something I refuse to see. If Michael was right about everything then Michael would be worshipped and Channels would be deified. Michael is no more right than one's own intuition. Channels are no examples of Heroes or Heroines. They need guidance, love and support as much as any of us. Love, support and guide your local channel today.

Dan

P.S.: The EDD audit went well. Thank you all for your kindness of thoughts.


Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:03:31 -0700
Subject: On Accountability

I've got this watch that I like a lot, it's got a green face and in small golden capital letters it says, "NOW" and it always reminds me what time it *really* is, it's now (of course it does tell time too,) an opportunity to seize the moment, or to let it slip by.....

Perhaps what would even be better is to have the saying "All Is Chosen" written backwards, tatooed across my forehead so I could see it every time I looked in the mirror! Well, maybe not. ;-p

But anyway, knowing that "all is chosen" really gives us a lot of responsibility, and a lot of power. It lets us know that we choose our destiny, and that means we create opportunities, and then act upon them to create what we want, be it happiness, success, or a great sandwich.

Totally taking accountability for our lives and what happens in our lives makes us free. Taking responsibility is the only way I know of that totally frees us from Chief Feature. When you are being totally accountable for your life, you do not fear being out of control, that there is lack, that you're not good enough, that you're a victim, that there isn't enough time, that the unknown is a scary thing, etc., that all the Chief Features are based on. When you are totally accountable, you know that you are free to make a new choice, at this very moment.

Love,
Lori

 

Accountability

Life holds us accountable whether we like it or not. Every
action produces irrefutable consequences. And though we may
try to hide from those consequences, in the end they always
catch up to us.

What will you do today to uphold the responsibility you have
to your own possibilities? What about in the next twenty
minutes? What consequences will your actions produce?

Hold yourself accountable, and the consequences work in your
favor. Accept the responsibility for your own life, and you
gain control of your own destiny. It's easy, and often very
reasonable, to blame your troubles on something or someone
outside yourself. It's easy to expect other people, or changing
conditions, to solve your problems for you. It's easy to expect
dumb luck to bring fulfillment into your life. Easy, and yet
sadly misguided.

Ultimately, only you can be accountable for you. It is a
serious responsibility and a boundless opportunity.

 


Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 23:32:11 UT
Subject: RE: Digest No. 1998-04-30 of Michael Teachings List

Jeanne wrote: "since we "are" the Tao, we are playing in "virtual reality."

Is that why sometimes I get so dizzy . . . ?

--------<--{@ Jody


Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:16:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Shroud of Turin

In a message dated 4/30/98 4:04:31 PM, Fromtl wrote:

 

Well, within the last decade or so, 4 separate universities simultaneously
tested the Shroud using carbon-14 dating and ALL of them found that it
only dated from the 13th or 14th century.

 

I really wonder about the accuracy of carbon dating. Michael has said much of the Egyptian civilization is tens of thousands of years older than the scientists have measured it to be. And in my anthropology classes we heard about wildly different dates as a result of testing. Those stories don't usually make the news.

One thing that I did see in the news was the carbon testing may have been done not on the material of the shroud itself, but on some fungi that grew on the shroud many years later. (It coated the threads.)

But if it really is the shroud... couldn't they use to to tell us how tall Jesus was?

John C


Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Shroud of Turin

 

> But if it really is the shroud... couldn't they use to to tell us how tall Jesus was?

 

    ...It would be neat if an artist could paint him somehow.
    I heard that Jesus put some kind of energy on the shroud and that is why it carbon 14 dates different from what it is supposed to. I also have heard of the inaccuracies of carbon 14 dating. When I first heard about the energy put on the shroud it didn't make sense but I have heard more recently that infinite (or near infinite souls?) cause time distortions around them which could account as I see it for the carbon 14 dating to be off. Michael said once that they usually get the right parallel when getting information. That could mean that if you asked a question about this parallel they might get the historical information from a different parallel where history played out completely different. Maybe in another parallel the shroud is as they describe but in this one it isn't real. I am not voting for any of these possibilities over the other ones.

    Mike H


Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 02:31:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Kenneth's numbers / Casting order

 

| From: Kenneth Broom
| Subject: Re: Kenneth's numbers / Casting order (1998-17/1735)
| Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:58:47 -0400
|
| > [H]ow can two fragments in the same Entity not have identical casting
| > hierarchy up to the Tao?
|
| This is my point. All of the hierarchy numbers must be the same... from
| Entity on up. I am wondering if the Cadre Group Number and the Greater
| Cadre Group Number (and whatever comes between Cadre Group and the TAO)
| need to also be channeled before one can be "numerically" sure of an
| entity mate relationship? See page 165 of Shepherd's "Journey".
|
| Shepherd, could you give us a hand here please... what's your take on
| the above paragraph.
|
| I wonder what the groups are called as they are cast directly from the
| TAO. I'm really looking forward to seeing the whole hierarchy scheme
| and their meanings if any.

 

Well I completely missed your point here, and something Barry said in his response clarified it. Duh...

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 02:32:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Tracing your roots

Thanks for your posts, Barry. They are always enlightening (from another Scholar's point of view, anyway!).

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 23:42:51 +0800
Subject: Re: RE: Digest No. 1998-04-30 of Michael Teachings List

At 11:35 PM 4/30/98 -0000, Jody B wrote:

 

>Jeanne wrote: "since we "are" the Tao, we are playing in "virtual reality."
>
>Is that why sometimes I get so dizzy . . . ?
>
>--------<--{@ Jody

 

No, that might be something to do with inner ear infection. :-)

Seriously... well, I sometimes get that dizzy spell, too. And sometimes it feels as if I'm on "remote control"... as if I am not looking through my own eyes, but one step removed (detached?), from a 3rd person perspective.

J J Tan


Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:42:33 -0400
Subject: Re: INFINITE UNIVERSE

Just some thoughts on infinity, uroboros, etc.....Somehow I think the physical universe and perhaps the not so physical universes have a structure that is spheric or cyclic; like we journey in circles.....(an answer to one's feeling of dizziness :-) and we journey in cycles. Our planet does, and so does our solar system in our galaxy.
The uroboros is a circle. Stars and planets are formed in spheres. I guess gravity does that. Wasn't it Einstein that postulated,"if one were to travel to the end of the Universe you'd be back where you started." ? Don't light waves start to bend after awhile?

--Sharon


Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:37:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-05-01 of Michael Teachings List

I just arrived for the first time at this site last night. I have to say this is all so very interesting. How do you channel Michael or any other spirit?? I would really like to know. Please. Someone, anyone?? Help.
Tell me more about it all.

Peace & Love
Blessings & Hugs,
Dora


Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:44:03 +0000
Subject: Teaching Michael

Hi all,

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's had experience of teaching the Michael teachings to classes. What format have you used? (Weekly evenings? One-off class? Weekend workshops?) Have you included experiential work, or just delivered the info? How have you attracted people to the classes/groups?

There's nothing going on Michael-wise here in the UK, so I may try to get something like this going. All feedback/input welcome.

      B a r r y
__________________


Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 09:38:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Teaching Michael

Dear Barry -- My feedback on the subject; just a few ideas.

I think a sizable fraction of people who discover the Michael books would like to have the further experience of participating in a study group. The subject is so large and it needs to be grounded into actual concrete reality, i.e., actual people with actual soul ages, overleaves and so on. Any group could profitably spend huge amounts of time studying or discussing the teachings and pursuing it all wherever they are led to.

Most people also want to get their overleaves and find their essence twins and so on. This generally means getting a session from a channel. IMHO this doesn't need to be part of a study group and a group can get along fine operating on the basis that they want to figure out their overleaves and so on themselves and thrash it out in discussion. If the members know each other this is fun; if they don't it is a slow process. Probably most of the students who would make the effort to attend a group regularly would also get a Michael reading if they have access to a channel.

My experience is that the various channels who had regular groups, where people paid money and Michael channeled general info and answered personal questions -- this activity has declined in almost every case. It seems that most individual students will eagerly ask their personal questions up to a certain point, then it begins being expensive and repetitive and they realize that they can and should get their own answers.

Actual study groups are not unlike meditation groups (generally, small groups with some spiritual focus that meet regularly) in having a constant conflict between two principles: the more often they meet and the more time they spend together, the better; but most people have all sorts of other demands on their time which make it hard to find a consensus that allows frequent regular meetings. There are other big issues over who can join as new members, about privacy, and other human relations soap opera that can come up; also issues of leadership and politics.

If the group is a set of mostly strangers whose main common interest is Michael, the issues above will probably spoil the fun and hold you to a limited, dry, scholarly and intellectual exploration until and unless a lot of personal barriers and defenses come down.

On the other hand, if you have a group of people who already are mostly friends or at least know each other, and if you meet frequently and have a common purpose, then you have great potential for positive benefit in many ways; but chances are that this group doesn't have much common interest or knowledge of Michael, and trying to narrow the focus to Michael makes for problems.

My general recommendation, and I think Michael might even endorse it, is that there is great positive benefit to be had from small groups meeting with a spiritual (and/or community) focus regularly, preferably weekly. It should include some meditation, holding hands in a circle, etc., so as to reinforce the strengthening of the love and interconnections and support between all the group members. This is basically what early churches were about long ago. The group builds a deep and powerful energy. It follows wherever it "wants to go", including explorations of healing, study of spiritual and metaphysical teachings, and/or leadership and action in the community surrounding. If a group can't find a way to meet weekly I don't think the commitments are strong enough ultimately for it to work well. Many people find the time weekly to have regular parties, or all-night poker games, or to watch movies or sports, or even attend church services, so if they can't find a way to fit in a couple of hours for spiritual group communing, they aren't probably interested enough to make much of it.

All the best, Ed


Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 08:36:02 -0700
Subject: Re: how to channel

Dora, welcome and here is a suggestion on learning to channel:

I took a class on the subject a few years ago which Stephen Cocconi and Holly Coleman teach.

blessings,
Lori :)


Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:22:37 EDT
Subject: Another perspective for Barry

Hi again,

      I was a member of a Michael group for 12 years before I became a channel, both in a non-paying status and as a paying student. (different groups) The paid group met monthly, there were 4-5 of us and we asked personal questions. This was an extremely worthwhile experience for me as it allowed me to explore questions and not always have to schedule the more expensive 90 minute sessions. (I did those too when I felt I needed it or had very personal questions which didnt seem to be best asked in a group) This particular study group was one of 5 or so that the channel "Camille" from MMFM was hosting. She also had classes which most of us went to and enjoyed very much. Beyond that, we would get together socially, and for rituals.
It was a very positive experience.

      I also have been a member of an on-going core Michael group where no money is exchanged and that had an entirely different flavor. Here we asked questions of more general interest, more cutting edge kind of material and new Michael material based on the original teachings, but expanded. I am still a member of that group as well, and enjoy it very much.

      I think a combination is very practical. Different students are going to have different needs and it good to try to respond to those. Here in Half Moon Bay. we have monthly study groups where there is channeling and talk, a drop- in monthly Michael chat, private sessions, workshops on Michael and related topics and personal sessions. Some people do all of these, some like the classes, some come just for the workshops. Others prefer to join us for non- structured celebratory kinds of gatherings and thats great too.

      When I was first a Michael student, I asked questions and waited for the answers before I would take action on anything important. Thats changed for me now, because while I still ask the questions, I also trust that I can make god decisions myself. However, I have to say that I always find the overleaves of people fascinating and helpful. More advanced students can work on the figuring them out and then can ask Michael for validation.

      So Barry, ask people what they need. My guess is that new students are going to want some channeling, and maybe you can combine that with classes etc...

      best regards, Victoria Marina AMT channel


Date: Sat, 2 May 98 10:05:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Shroud of Turin

 

>But if it really is the shroud... couldn't they use to to tell us how tall Jesus was?

 

  The Airforce Academy Chapel ** (Colorado Springs) has a 3d model built by cadets from shroud information. So yes, they can tell how tall and how wide also. (I saw the model last summer but I can't remember quite how tall it was).

Yours -- Ted

** there are three sections to the chapel. Level one houses the Jewish and Catholic religion, Level Two, the most elevated and spacious glass triangle holds the Protestants.


Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 14:09:56 EDT
Subject: Earth Energy Past Few Days

Hello there-

My friend and I having been feeling very strange the past few days. Fatigued and heavy, actually. A friend of hers who channels (not Michael) said that the earth has been undergoing some major energy shifts recently and that our symptoms are linked. Does anyone have anymore info on what has been going on the past few days? Thanks.

-Christian


Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 15:05:03 -0500
Subject: Re: 1001 Ways to Market Your Books

Hi Shepherd and all,

Just wanted to pass on what I consider some very nice news. I was at Barnes & Noble today and there on one of the New Age shelves was "The Journey of You Soul" by Shepherd Hoodwin. Did not know that they were stocking it. Since I already have it, I didn't purchase it, but it warmed my heart to see it sitting there.

Love and Laughter :-))

Jeanne


Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:14:05 EDT
Subject: Re: [m-t.] Earth Energy Past Few Days

Dear Christian -- I am not particularly sensitive or psychic, but I have felt positive energy for a long time. I've been following the bulletin boards in AOL on various new age related subjects for a couple of years, and I constantly encounter there and elsewhere people who, possibly in the negative of artisan, create all sorts of great cosmic reasons and explanations for why they have a headache or feel weird. All I can say is that each one is a unique individual having their own experience and creating whatever its meaning is.

On a very, very broad level it seems very clear to me that we are experiencing an unprecedented planetray acceleration into love and light. The Hindu cycle of yugas or the Mayan calendar cycle, both of which are based on the 25 or 26000 year cycle of the precession of the equinoxes -- but they disagree as to where we are on the cycle -- give you an idea of what we are approaching, as does the Christian "end times" idea, at least whatever the truth was underneath all the negativity, fear and misunderstanding there. Jesus, who is generally regarded as the source of the Course in Miracles, describes early in that text how we learn so very much more when time collapses (as in a good hug) -- when we manage to escape from our usual focus on our material time and space situation, we can integrate and heal much more efficiently. This is what "At-one-ment" is all about. This is happening, more and more, all over, in a big way, whether or not you believe that or have a theoretical explanation. The reality is that this process is happening, it is accelerating, more and more people understand it and are joining the momentum, and one would be wise to have a realist attitude about it.

This is going on and it impacts individuals in a multitude of ways, depending on where you are on your path and what sort of sociocultural surroundings you are in. It is very, very hard on baby souls or others who are heavily imprinted with a baby-soul outlook or fear-based religion, for they feel they should resist or stop these out-of-control changes. I'd say it is best to embrace it with joy. We are all going to have a pretty good chance to be in our own "christ consciousness" state within a few years. Never in history has there been so much positive momentum or acceleration. If you tune into the rate of the acceleration, and the way in which it multiplies as a mass- consciousness phenomenon, it is easy (for me, anyway) to completely rationally, realistically, practically expect that we are going to continue on into unprecedented positive growth and change. It will be much easier to be "in essence" and in positive poles and to live in love and without fear than ever before.

My advice then, would be to enjoy the ride and go full speed ahead toward whatever your life's purposes are, and to clear out any old patterns of inappropriate fear based on our historical experience, which is more and more irrelevant with each new day.

Whatever is going on with "earth changes", I think that the Creator would very clearly rather have us go through this change and experience growing into it, than to trash the planet and wipe out the human population in a wholesale way, as the doom-and-gloom types would expect. (I feel a certain responsibility to counteract the negativity and fear-mongering that goes on under "earth changes".) If the younger souls are going to be relocated to another planet somewhere to continue their younger soul experience, which seems likely to me, it does not follow that they have to be wiped out wholesale. It works better if they each grow through this amazing time and after this life is over they can decide in the astral plane as cadres (however it all works) whether to stay here in an older-soul earth reality or to move to the new place.

Bear in mind we are likely to see the Infinite Soul coming in in some way in the near future, too. It seems reasonable to me that Michael and other channeled entities will not be able to understand the Infinite Soul manifestations or predict them or have any accurate information to reveal. It does seem likely that something awfully cool is coming up, though!

All the best, Ed


Date: Sat, 2 May 98 18:30:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Earth Energy Past Few Days

 

>Hello there-
>
>My friend and I having been feeling very strange the past few days. Fatigued
>and heavy, actually. A friend of hers who channels (not Michael) said that
>the earth has been undergoing some major energy shifts recently and that our
>symptoms are linked. Does anyone have anymore info on what has been going on
>the past few days? Thanks.
>
>-Christian

 

This may be of help -- Ted

Coronal Mass Ejections on the rise.
 

See at: http://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/sftheory/cme.htm
If you calculate the orbit of the earth and the number of CMEs we (earth) get hit by far to many.
There has been an increase in activity lately.
The sun has been firing Coronal Mass Ejections our way on the 27 and the 29. There has been others which the earth has passed through the trail of them after they passed.

"GEOMAGNETIC ACTIVITY IS EXPECTED TO REACH MINOR STORM LEVELS ON 02 MAY IN RESPONSE TO THE ANTICIPATED ARRIVAL OF AN M6/HALO CORONAL MASS EJECTION OBSERVED ON 29 APRIL. CONDITIONS SHOULD RETURN TO UNSETTLED LEVELS BY THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD."

To see the results of this relatively minor CME and forecasts see: http://www.sel.noaa.gov/today.html

Watch the weather as the atmosphere is pumped up by these pulses. See: http://www.intellicast.com/weather/intl/worldsat/
There will be a lag effect on earthquakes and volcanoes as the core absorbs these energy shock waves.

See current images of the sun. http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/eit/eit_full_res.html

"As the sun begins to move toward the new solar maximum (predicted to peak around the year 2000) it will naturally become more and more violent and will generate more and more magnetic loops which produce both sunspots and Coronal Mass Ejections {CMEs} which are magnetic loop systems that break away from the sun and frequently travel earthward."

 

To learn more about CMEs and what they might mean to earth dwellers check out: http://www.teleport.com/~singtech/wrath.html


Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:13:16 +0800
Subject: Re: Teaching Michael

Barry wrote on 2/5/98 9:48 am:

 

>Hi all,
>
>I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's had experience of teaching
>the Michael teachings to classes. What format have you used? (Weekly
>evenings? One-off class? Weekend workshops?) Have you included
>experiential work, or just delivered the info? How have you attracted
>people to the classes/groups?
>There's nothing going on Michael-wise here in the UK, I may try to
>get something like this going. All feedback/input welcome.
>
>       B a r r y
>__________________

 

That should be something interesting to do in Singapore. But with several obstacles:
1) The Michael's Teaching isn't known here;
2) I am not a channeler and do not have the charisma to attract a crowd for a function of seminar or workshop.

As it is, I consider myself lucky that I managed to introduce Michael's Teaching to a colleague without getting strange looks. :-)

J J Tan
=====!=====
Put aside Truth, just appreciate the mystery that is called The Universe.


Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 01:07:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Earth Energy Past Few Days

Hi Ed,

 

| Bear in mind we are likely to see the Infinite Soul coming in in some
| way in the near future, too. It seems reasonable to me that Michael and
| other channeled entities will not be able to understand the Infinite
| Soul manifestations or predict them or have any accurate information to reveal.

 

Can you elaborate on the last part? I don't understand why it should be as you state.

Thanks,
Dick
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:50:46 EDT
Subject: Unpredictability of Infinite Soul

Dear Dick -- What I was getting at was that in comparison with the Infinite Soul, if we are babes, Michael and other channeled entities are little kids. We can try to predict the infinite activities based on past experience and so can Michael, but the Infinite isn't mechanical or predictable, except perhaps in its own terms at the Infinite level, and that's not anything we or Michael will figure out any time soon. Further, the Infinite seems to go right at whatever we are most ignorant of and blind to.

All the best, Ed


Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:10:11 -0500
Subject: Newsletter Survey

Hi Everyone,

Have corresponded with Lori and Barry and I wanted to let you all know that we have a choice of what type of newsletter we would like to have. We can either have a straight forward subscribtion newsletter or we can have a Michael Students Website "newsletter". The Website Newsletter would contain a FAQ page for Newbies, a once a month/quarter (whatever) newsletter, archived previous newsletters and Links. This could be by password only or could be open to anyone who cared to come and look at it. Barry suggested that if we do the website type we could e-mail everyone when a new issue was on the site.

What I would like to know is what all of you prefer. I know that some of you never post to the list but I would really appreciate your input this time. To avoid traffic on the Michael List, please e-mail me and let me know what your preferences are. This will be for all of us and all of us should indicate our choice. I'm asking you to think about it and let me know by the first of June. Then I'll post the results on the Michael List. I won't ask any of you to contribute if you don't want to, but I would really like to know your feelings about "style". Thanks very much. As the Michaels say "Choices".

Love and Laughter :-))

Jeanne

5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination;
Passion; Pragmatist; Self-Dep/Arrogance/
Intellectual Center, moving part


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