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1998 - Week 16


SUMMARY:  Another year begins on the list.
Dualism and inputs are discussed. Especially how inputs might influence musical composition. 


THE POSTS:

 

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 03:33:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Mozart:slated to be

In a message dated 98-04-19 23:20:40 EDT, Victoria writes:

 

      I intended to say that Mozart was channeled, at least by one of the
original channels, as a sage. Apparently, he was also channeled as an artisan.
I would agree though that MJackson is 5th mature. Hes very eccentric!
Victoria

 

Here's yet another reading I saw:

According to Emily Baumbach's book "Celebrities," Mozart was/is

a 3rd Mature Artisan, Sage E.T, in Dominance and Passion, an Idealist in Arrogance, Intellectually centered, Emotional part, and

Michael Jackson is

a 5th Mature Artisan, Server E.T., in Submission and Repression, a Spiritualist in Martyrdom, Emotionally Centered, Moving part.

Dave


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:45:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Oh, Ken...

 

> Ken, I noticed you accidentally omitted the e-mail adresses of
> Mozart and Bartok. Could you fix that?

 

Dave,

Check out decomposing-composers.com. It's pretty cool--and there are links there to the e-mail addresses of their present incarnations.
Bad news, though... Mozart's is peterpan@neverland.org. Sorry, big guy.

Love always,

Dean
(with apologies to Monty Python)


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:18:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Oh, Ken...

In a message dated 98-04-20 12:53:10 EDT, Dean writes:

 

Bad news, though... Mozart's is peterpan@neverland.org. Sorry, big guy.

 

Somebody wake me up. I'm having a nightmare. ;-p
I hear that Herr Mozart/MJ is building his own amusement park somewhere in Europe (if not having one on your own property is not enough.) So far in the planning stages for rides, he has "Peter Pan's Flight Through a Turkish Bath," "Come Sit in Michael's Magic Lap," "Lets Connect the Clearacil Stains on Michael's Pillowcase," and a new interactive stage presentation, "Babes in Boyland."

Dave
(MY apologies to Mr.Letterman)


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:41:20 -0700
Subject: Alien Michael Impostors

Victoria--This Soleil you spoke of--tell me more please! Like, what kind of stuff did the original group get from that fragment? How did they see through his guise? Where did the Saurians come from? Ooooh, oooooh, this little scholar's curiosity is intrigued....

BTW: Martha and Barry--just saw a Teletubbies episode this morning for the first time. It was on too early so I asked my husband to tape it and so I screened it over breakfast and then let my son watch it too. Hmmm, hmmmmm.....I am Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too demented for a show like that. I felt its inherent insideousness behind those thinly veiled disguises that reminded me of that insipid and tortuously cheerful purple dinosaur Barney who wants everybody to love him, while he skips along like the Pied Piper and hordes of children follow, and I'm wondering, would I trust this animal with MY first-born? I think not!!

Ohhhhhhh..... The hypnotic effect of that pinwheel with sparklies coming off it, I just know there is some secret, backwards, subliminal message underneath those garbled words the Teletubbies can't pronounce--that's the real reason they use baby-talk, isn't it?

(heheh, just jokin' with ya. ;-)

Lori
who's gonna go back to watching King of the Hill, where her favorite
redneck is Dale, the bug-man who thinks the government is out to get him
because he read it on alt.black.helicopters -- Oh yeah, now THAT's quality television. ;-p


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:07:34 +0200
Subject: Agape and Experience

From Dick's post:

 

>| but this doesn't make them any more "advanced" spiritually nor closer to perceiving the Tao.
>
>Are you saying all the experience gained through the younger ages is for
>naught? That one isn't closer to agape as one approaches cycling off?

 

I certainly wouldn't say that any experience was "for naught", but I also don't think we're here to get closer to Agape. Agape is where we came from, Agape is the beating heart of our essence, of who we are, the deepest and most real thing about us. This is true for the first level Infant Soul as much as the seventh level Old. Presumably Older souls are more aware of the illusory nature of the physical plane and can perhaps more easily set aside fear and access that Agape at the centre of their being, but that's merely from having gone around the block so many times. And at that level the Mature and Old cycles aren't so very different.

Peace,

Katherine D


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:29:01 EDT
Subject: interesting astrology info

Hi all,
I have been rarely reading here recently--just busy with Spring energy. Goddess knows when I am gonna sit down and seriously write next Michael book. Writing is definitely Sage fun, but takes tons of time and discipline and focus. I always seem to prefer goofing off! We got our house Feng Shui'd by a wonderful creative new person in Fayetteville and that kicked off a decorating and painting binge which has been really great.

I am heading Thursday for Germany, two weeks to get 6 darshans with Mother Meera and time to drive far, far north to home of Emile Nolde which is now museum with his paintings. I have been in love with his work since college, 35 yrs ago. Feels like a pilgrimage up there too. Will be interesting to check my connections with him personally. I love that part of travel, ie feeling old connections with places and people.

What follows is some interesting material on astrology by an old soul teacher who talks about old souls coming from essence being able to use void of course moon time very creatively. Thought some of you might enjoy.

Blessings all around
Joya

 

A CONTRARIAN VIEW OF VOID-OF-COURSE MOON
by Carol Willis, MA
(C) Copyright by Carol Willis, 1997. All rights reserved.

A void-of-course (VOC) Moon occurs when the Moon makes no more major
aspects before it leaves a sign. VOC Moon is used in horary astrology,
which tracks the Moon as it moves through a sign. Horary notes the major
aspect of the Moon just preceding the question asked, then each succeeding
major aspect of the Moon until the Moon leaves the sign. The aspect
preceding the question "leads into" the question, often "sets up"
circumstances for the question to occur, helps to birth the question. The
aspects following the question tend to show the course of how the question
will work out, probabilities. VOC Moon and aspects of the Moon are also
used in daily activities planning.

Why so much focus on the Moon? The Moon has to do with where our
psychic attention is, how we feel as we "read the energy" in our
environment, and the support we seek in order to accomplish our goals.

When the Moon goes VOC, it has traditionally been thought that this
window in time is one to avoid purchases and agreements, that
articles purchased then won't be fully used, and agreements made will
fall through. Better to lay low, rest, do routine tasks, and wait
for the next Moon sign. The idea here is that it takes aspects to
trigger action, especially involving other people.

However, I take an unusual stand on VOC Moon. From my article
"Contrarian Revelations on VOC Moon" published in WELCOME TO PLANET
EARTH magazine (March 1988), "When you're operating at the
soul/spirit level, VOC Moon can be a time of CREATION....VOC is like
being in the middle of a void, having the whole universe to ourselves.

"In discussions about how to create our own reality, let's not
overlook the special opportunities provided by VOC Moon. If we've
been following a spiritual practice, and we know how to "stand
strong in spiritual being," to be in spiritual consciousness at
will, to know our heart's desire, to recognize quality, and to seize
the moment, then VOC Moon can provide a lot of good moments to seize
as we acknowledge responsibility for creating our own
universe ... working from essence, with energy.

"Manifesting from essence is a whole new game for a lot of people.
That's why prosperity seems to be mostly an old-soul issue. The old
souls are trying to figure out how to make money and otherwise live
abundantly by applying their essential/soul qualities. This
presupposes they can first identify their essence qualities! The
old game of being "in survival" (i.e., having your consciousness
limited with survival obsessions) is being transcended by old souls
who take their identity from essence, who are now uncovering their
deeper purpose and learning the secrets of manifestation from
essence, an important key to Earth mastery.

"But what do we ordinarily do? We tend to wait for outer
circumstances to get us moving, rather than "take our own movement"
in life, to use an expression from therapeutic circles. Most
people's actions are conditioned upon externals. They wait around
to see what happens out there, and act accordingly. Action based
only on external stimulation is only _reaction_. We are _at the
effect_ of the world around us. Some of the externals we
consciously or unconsciously depend on to get us going are planetary
aspects. Aspects of the Moon are famous for tripping off particular events.

"To manifest from essence, we have to become _cause_, not be at the
effect of outer circumstances. We become more powerful just by
seeing the distinction. To see the distinction, we have to step
back and take a look at both possibilities. Who's watching? -- the
wiser spiritual part of ourselves. The more we identify ourselves
at the level of spirit, the more we become cause, the more we
_consciously_ design what happens in our universe. That sort of
action takes place in the stillness, in the quietness of our own
Being. It combines head and heart; creative spirit at the center of
the head, soul residing in the heart. You might say that creation
takes place in a void, a place de-void of the distractions and
interferences of the world -- a sacred meditative state -- dominion,
our first estate.

"The rules of the game change when you change levels of Being. What
worked at one level at one time no longer works when you arrive at a
new level. Let's take an idea that works well at one level: VOC
Moon in horary astrology. When you take it to a higher level, you
can only use it if you stand the idea on its head. At one level it
is good for nothing really important, at another it's good for
everything important (i.e., essential purposes). Is this an example
of turning lead into gold? On the spiritual journey toward mastery,
we have to USE everything we can to provide points of access.
I submit that VOC Moon is a new tool for accessing the higher
possibilities of dominion, given appropriate personal preparation, of course.

"Esoteric usage of VOC Moon could revolutionize our thinking about
time. Essential purposes have eternal origins and lasting value.
So time takes on a qualitative dimension with esoteric usage.
Further, when something is "in the energy," it moves quickly and
naturally, so time takes on a co-factor of ease.

"In summary, VOC is when the Magician works, because there's no
interference. The Magician works in the Void, the still, silent
place of glorious light and dominion. VOC Moon could be the
training ground for our ability to work that way all the time."

----------------
Carol Willis, MA
Professional Astrologer since 1970

 


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:49:46 EDT
Subject: Dave Barry as Mozart

In a message dated 4/20/98 3:29:30 AM, Dave wrote:

 

>Though, I shudder to think what kind of wealth Jackson might
>realize if he could collect on Mozart's royalties. ;-p
>
>Dave

 

When Dave Barry was told, to my dismay, by a client of mine that it had been channeled first that a writer in Florida was now Mozart and then that the writer was Barry, he wrote a column kind of trying the whole thing on for size. Think he mentioned that he hated piano lessons, noticed a couple wild similarities and then finally wondered how he could collect the royalities!!! Considering how scathing and humorously belittling he can be, he was rather dancing and playing with the whole thing. I got lots of nice mail after his column too!!

Barry also wrote me a note that if Michael and I were ever in south Florida, he would buy us a couple thousand beers.

Joya


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:09:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Dave Barry as Mozart

In a message dated 98-04-20 18:51:21 EDT, Joya writes:

 

Barry also wrote me a note that if Michael and I were ever in south Florida,
he would buy us a couple thousand beers.

 

That's cool. Gotta love guys with the name, Dave ;-p

Dave


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 00:22:42 UT
Subject: RE: Musicians from B to V

I followed the email exchange about Bartok and Mozart with interest. I'm a choral singer, so I have to vote for Joe Green ("Giuseppe Verdi" to you) for the most fun & challenging music. The a capella section of the "Libera Me" portion of his Requiem sends chills down my spine when I listen to it, and singing it in performance was a transcendent experience. I was re-reading MFM last night and came across his name in the overleaves chapter: mid-cycle Mature Scholar with almost the same overleaves as me except in passion mode - no WONDER I like his music!

Michael Jackson as Wolfie back again - nah, can't go there. I'd vote for Weird Al Yankovich first (his polka version of "Bohemian Rhapsody" alone should qualify him). Actually, I think if Mozart were alive today he'd be scoring Tim Burton movies. That's it! He's Danny Elfman!

How many people on this list are musicians? Seems like a fair number. Does this mean anything?

Harmoniously yours,
----- <--{@ Jody
_____________
Mature Scholar
Cecilia Bartoli wannabe


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:14:48 EDT
Subject: Re: RE: Musicians from B to V

In a message dated 98-04-20 20:28:20 EDT, Jody writes:

 

How many people on this list are musicians? Seems like a fair number.

 

{tilting head; inserting celery up nostril} Count me as one...or can you also count how many past lives I've had as a musician?

There is a meaning WHY there are so many musicians congregated on this list.
Yes, indeed it is certainly significant.
And a most discernable pattern.
One that makes one ponder.
And reflect.
And search one's psyche for that single kernal of truth.
It's a meaning that is as vast as the energetic mass of the Tao.
The ramifications are clearly evident.
Yet obtuse.
But one thing we do know...
About this fleeting new wealth of knowledge

It..

Doesn't..

Involve..

Exploding...

...TOILETS....

Dave


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:25:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Musicians

 

> From: Jody B
> Subject: RE: Musicians from B to V
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 00:22:42 UT
>
> How many people on this list are musicians? Seems like a fair number.
> Does this mean anything?

 

Hi Jody,

Well, as a youngster I took up playing the trumpet--the fact it had three keys made it appear deceptively simple and yet it made a lot of noise, and that appealed to my young little 5th-grade psyche. :) No matter I was the only girl in the trumpet section most of the years I played, it was great fun anyway.

In symphonic band in high school, there was a piece we played that would take me to the stars...it was called "Novena," but I do not remember who composed it. My part was small but integral at 3rd trumpet, and I'd play that one with all my heart--talk about shivers down the spine. It was definitely a higher-centered experience. :) :)

I'm not that cultured in classical music but I think whatever kind of music you like, you find that part that resonates with your soul and it's like a great fountain of nourishing water that cleanses the senses and satisfies the spirit through inspiration....

Love,
Lori


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:29:41 -0600
Subject: Void-of-Course Moon

Thanks to Joya Pope for giving us Carol Willis' insights on the possibilities held within the zone of the VOC moon.

Quoting excerpts from Carol's article:

"The more we identify ourselves at the level of spirit, the more we become cause, the more we consciously design what happens in our universe. That sort of action takes place in the stillness, in the quietness of our own Being. It combines head and heart; creative spirit at the center of the head, soul residing in the heart. You might say that creation takes place in a void, a place de-void of the distractions and interferences of the world -- a sacred meditative state -- dominion, our first estate."

"I submit that VOC Moon is a new tool for accessing the higher possibilities of dominion, given appropriate personal preparation, of course."

So, for those of you who are interested in creating a sacred meditative state for the purpose of assisting you with the magical creation of your own reality, here are times for the VOC moon for the rest of April.

All times are PDT
Moon goes VOC at       Ends at

April 21, 8:31am       April 21, 6:06pm
April 23, 0:34am       April 23, 7:30pm

TAKE NOTE THAT APRIL 23, 6:30PM EASTERN, 4:30PM MOUNTAIN, AND 3:30PM PACIFIC IS THE TIME SET FOR THE GREAT EXPERIMENT MEDITATION TO HEAL THE WORLD--IT'S IN A VOID OF COURSE POWER ZONE!

April 25 11:05am       April 25 7:09pm
April 27 7:47am       April 27 6:55pm
April 29 1:20pm       April 29 8:57pm

The moon goes void of course (no longer making any aspect to another point or planet) about every two days. Lots of opportunities to make something happen! For VOC times, get an astrological calendar that notes them. I've carried the Pocket Astrologer, published by Quicksilver Productions, with me for years. Not only do I note the VOC, but also when planets are stationing, (powerful energies--the planet is taking center stage and making a statement--and I believe that the power gathered at these moments can also be applied in a similar manner to the VOC moon. For example, Pluto's stationing energy can be invoked for deep psychic cleansing, letting go, and transformation; Neptune, for opening up to the higher realms and accessing one's guides, and dispelling illusion by getting the big picture; Uranus for the courage to break free of stagnant routines and fear-based beliefs; Saturn for discipline and focus; Jupiter for creating beneficial networks, for broadening vistas of knowledge and understanding, and for healing; Mars for the courage to get out there and take care of business, for self-actualization; Mercury for resolution and incisive thinking; Venus for self-worth, values identification, peace-making, and drawing to you your heart's desire...these are not all-inclusive definitions...) and of course, what that "little" trickster Mercury is up to, among other things. Very handy, I recommend it. Sells for about $5.

Gloria a/k/a Geebee


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:36:06 +0800
Subject: Re: Musicians

At 03:19 AM 4/21/98 -0000, Lori Tostado wrote:

 

>I'm not that cultured in classical music but I think whatever kind of
>music you like, you find that part that resonates with your soul and
>it's like a great fountain of nourishing water that cleanses the senses
>and satisfies the spirit through inspiration....

 

Yeah, music that can speak to my soul: Beethoven Symphony #6 (last movement), Brahms Symphony #1 (last movement), Faure Requiem (the whole thing), and just recently, we performed Chichester Psalm by Leonard Berstein, and the 2nd movement makes me want to listen to it over and over again...

:-) There are more, but the above have the type of tunes that makes my world stop.

Regards.

J J Tan


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:10:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Soleil (1998-15/1671)

 

| From: Victoria
| Subject: regarding Mozart- again-and the Lizard Nation
| Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:22:48 EDT
|
| Some of the original material that has been very mixed up- in fact,
| there is even some of the channeled material from Soleil that was
| published as being from Michael, when in fact it wasnt.

 

Was it known at the time that they were channeling someone other than Michael?

 

| (Soleil, for those of you who don't know, was an alien fragment who was
| actually a Michael student, and Soleil was contacted during the original
| groups. He was an old soul, Saurian, and some of his words are in the
| original MFM)

 

Thanks for the info; I had never heard of him.

 

| So we always have to remember to self validate the material.

 

Indeed.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:55:31 EDT
Subject: Music and the Original Group

Hi List:)

The identity of many of the members of the original Michael group has been preserved at their request, but I wanted to comment that many of them were musicians. One of the groups that continues to meet (with one of the Berkeley channels) still has members from several of the major symphonic orchestras in the Bay Area. Sarah Chambers ( the old scholar who first channeled the overleaves) and I first met years ago when I was working as a free-lance vioiliinist with the Oakland Symphony, and we were introduced by a mutual friend, who was a cellist and is also a Michael channel.

The theme of entity one (cadre one) , which Sarah, Quinn, myself (not to mention countless others), are members of, is 'Breakthrough Work in the Fine Arts".
This accounts for some of the musician flare I think at least in our groups. But I also wanted to comment that Michael has said that eventually all roles in essence gravitate in some way or another to the "Arts", which includes many aspects including music, dance, medicine, painting/sculpture etc. As many of the Michael students are indeed mid-cycle mature and older, it stands to reason that there would be an interest in the arts.

Victoria


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:05:10 +0000
Subject: A Michael Joke

A Michael joke (nobody but a Michael student will appreciate it):

Said the actress to the bishop, "I think I've got a little Priest in me."

      B a r r y


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:15:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Seth list

Here's something from the Seth list I'm subscribed to that you might find useful. It's kind of funny this happened to arrive in my mail box when it did, as I was just thinking about this very same issue. BTW, for the most part, the interaction on the Seth list is sub-par. For some reason, the people on it don't seem interested in discussing any of the fascinating Sethian concepts, instead, they mostly vent one soap opera drama after another; a support group where they talk about bad marriages, broken relationships of every kind, and sex -- mostly sex. ;-p Under full public scrutiny, I think this list has detailed everything from your typical one-night stand, to wild tales of flaming gerbils and burning rectums. Not to sound judgemental, but I think this old soul will pass on such drama this lifetime. ;-p And no, I will not tell you the URL. ;-p

Dave

 

Here is a section from NOPR ch. 15, Which you? Which world?

   "Whatever talents you sense you have can be developed only if you determine to do so. The simple act of decision will then activate the unconscious mechanisms. You, as a personality, regardless of your health, wealth or circumstances, have a rich variety of probable experience from which to choose. Consciously you must realize this and seize the direction for your own life. Even if you say, "I will go along with all life offers," you are making a conscious decision. If you say, "I am powerless to direct my life," you are also making a deliberate choice - and in that case a limiting one.
   (Pause.) The path of experience is nowhere settled. There is no one road that does not have avenues to another. There are deep veins of probable actions ever available to you at any given time. Your imagination can be of great value, allowing you to open yourself to such courses; you can then use it to help you bring these into being.
   If you are poor, you chose that reality from many probable ones that did _not_ involve poverty - and that are still open. If you chose illness, again there is a probable reality ready for initiation in which you choose health. If you are lonely there are probable friends you refused to meet in the past, but who are readily available.
   (ll:14.) In your mind, therefore, see those probable abilities or events taking place. As you do, the intensity of your desire brings them into your experience. There are no boundaries, again, set about the self. There are literally many other probable you's. You can draw upon their abilities, as in their own way they call upon your own, for you are all intimately connected.
   You must realize that you are indeed a probable you. Your experience is the result of beliefs. Your neuronal structure necessitates a certain focus so that other experiences counter to your conscious assumptions remain probable or latent. Alter the beliefs and any probable self can, within certain limitations, be actualized....
   What you must understand is this: Each of the events in each of your lives was "once" _probable._ From a given field of action, then, you choose those happenings that will be physically materialized.

And earlier in Session 655:

   "You form your corner of the universe, which is itself a part of another one. Within this thec actions and beliefs of one affect all.
   (Slowly at 10:03:) Each part is vital, and in one way or another there is instant communication between the smallest and the largest, the cobweb and the spider, the man, the entity, and the star - and each spins its own web of probabilities from which other universes continually spring.

   |    A death is but one night to the soul - Seth    |

 


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:39:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Musicians on the list (1998-16/1680)

 

| From: Jody B
| Subject: RE: Musicians from B to V
| Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 00:22:42 UT
|
| How many people on this list are musicians? Seems like a fair number.
| Does this mean anything?
|
| Harmoniously yours,
| ----- <--{@ Jody
| _____________
| Mature Scholar
| Cecilia Bartoli wannabe

 

While I am not a musician in this life, I have been in prior ones. And my love of classical music is endearing and at times very intense. Playing music again is something that simply *must* occur in the future (future lives).

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:12:54 EDT
Subject: Cadre/entity model

Dear Barry -- This looks good.

I would emphasize that the only reason the sides are flat is that it was more convenient for Lani Allen to build the physical model that way. The more I think about it, the more it would seem to me to be likely that the real cross- section is curved and probably circular.

I don't understand the question of which of three possible orientations of the sides....maybe a circular cross section makes it moot.

This whole thingy is just a little bitty part of the huge mass of new material that JP had coming in. Michael Berkley created a diagram that shows a spatial or geometric representation of how, for each fragment, all the numerous different elements of Michael teachings we know of so far all interrelate, plus astrology, numerology, power animals, chakras, and the interconnections between the people in adjacent cells in the entity structure. JP said it would take months to get all the details, that basically Michael just dumped this huge mass of new material and said they would give her much more information to fill it in.

I presume this is happening, but I haven't been in contact for several months. JP was and probably still is a computer-phobe, unfortunately, so probably those who would like to find out more about this material might best contact Michael Berkley or Stephen Shambaugh.

All the best, Ed


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 08:50:23 -0600
Subject: The Arts

Hi All,

I've been following with interest the thread on music and the arts. I too have always had a strong interest in music and have dabbled with piano and guitar. I have been a choral singer (tenor, which causes problems in some choirs who don't think girls should sing that low!), and recently I have taken up belly dancing. I love it! The movements seem to open the chakras - we're all positively glowing! I highly recommend it. Not sure where I'm going with it... Can't see myself shimmying over someone while they eat their souvlaki! ...but I "gotta dance!"

Just wanted to share that with you. I enjoy the list, find myself smiling and nodding a lot of the time, but am a bit intimidated because my Michael knowledge is quite new and limited still. This list has helped alot. Also, I think the newsletter is a great idea and would like to subscribe, even maybe contribute, when it gets happening.

I love ya all,
Kathleen E.


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:25:22 +0000
Subject: Cadre question

Hi all,

A quick question regarding cadres that soemone out there may be able to answer.

As we've learned already, while an entity generally includes more than 1 but less than all 7 essence roles, the cadre (system of 7 entities) is composed of *all* the essence roles. All I'd like to know is, would this always follow the "normal distribution" -- 4% Kings, 8% Prists and so on? In other words, do all (integrated) cadres look alike?

This could be of absolutely vital importance. Or probably not.

Byeee,

       B a r r y
_________________
Mature Scholar getting cold legs sitting in underpants with the window open.


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:27:57 EDT
Subject: Re: The Arts

In a message dated 98-04-22 10:53:42 EDT, Kathleen writes:

 

Just wanted to share that with you. I enjoy the list, find myself smiling
and nodding a lot of the time, but am a bit intimidated because my Michael knowledge
is quite new and limited still.

 

Don't let the scholars scare you away. They make most of it up, anyway. In fact, a favorite scholarly game for them is to spout out some esoteric mathematical formulas, and then sit back and laugh as they watch everyone on the list squirm and feel uncomforatble over what's really just an equation for the viscosity of snot on a door knob. ;-p

Enjoy the list. :-)

Dave


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:19:14 -0400
Subject: Dave:Devil's Advocate.

Dave, you little Wizard of Beelzebub, I think you're absolutely right. It all boils down to what we want to believe in the absence of FACTS. Except you can leave all those annoying little 'fact' thingies out if you want to and still believe anything you want to, even staring in the face of cold hard empirical data. We look back smilingly on those poor old fools who once thought that the world was flat. Don't we have tons of evidence that the world is a sphere and it moves around the sun in orbit. We can measure the times it takes and how far it travels and so on and so on. You'd be a fool to think otherwise with all that weight of scientific opinion saying that's how it is and here are the pictures to prove it. So of course it's the truth. If , however, as someone said truth is relative, what if you're a soul who inhabits four dimensions. The earth is not a sphere but an elipse. This 4D sould knows that viewed from a 3D experience only nano second 'slices' of the 'True' picture are being glimpsed. The elipse becomes sliced up and appears as a moving cross section of the whole 'reality'. ( P.D Ouspensky puts this much better. c.f "Tertium Organum").
It's all a giant Rorsach inkblot as they say. But if we didn't have these 'truths', i.e.shared and generally accepted beliefs it would be tricky getting anything done.

Cheerio,
Jonathan.

p.s. Hi Brin! and thanks for all the help. (assuming I'm doing all this right and it ends up where it's supposed to!) - I love this self-dep.


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:07:01 GMT
Subject: Re: hi there :)

Hi
My name is Thorunn and i'm from Iceland . I'm new on this list, enjoying it
much. I was wondering if someone could tell me why i'm in trouble finding
out my role, sage, schoolar, priest, this could all be me, but i'm not sure.
bye :-)


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:18:23 -0400
Subject: The Great Experiment - Apr 23, 1998
>/p>

Here's the Question:

Can millions of people, focusing their minds on inner and world peace, heal the world in an instant?

Can we, through scientific and quantifiable means, prove that we are indeed the creators of the world we perceive, and that by changing our perception, the world itself changes?

 

This is "The Great Experiment."

 

It's time we prove scientifically what the saints and sages have always told us- that we are powerful spiritual beings with the ability to create a world based on the laws of love, instead of the rules of fear.

Two months ago, James Twyman, author of the bestselling book, "Emissary of Light," was invited by the government of Iraq to perform his "Peace concert" in Baghdad. The situation seemed desparate war seemed almost inevitable and diplomatic efforts seemed to have failed.

"I was being used by the Iraqi government," Twyman said. "But we had the same goal: to avoid this terrible war. I was given permission to sing the Muslim prayer for peace to Saddam Hussein and I wanted the world to join us in this prayer. Hundreds of thousands of people over the world participated, and when it was complete, I felt a profound shift in the energy of that whole region. Three days later, a peace agreement was signed, something which seemed impossible before the prayer vigil began."

 

But The Story Continues . . .

 

"A week later, I was invited by the government of Northern Ireland to sing at Stormout Castle in Belfast - the building where the peace talks were being held. For days, bombs were exploding all around that area. Many people were trying to interrupt the peace process and it seemed like the talks might fall apart. Once again, thousands around the world joined us in prayer, and three days later there was a breakthrough in the talks. April 12, 1998, a peace accord was reached.

The evidence is there - we do have the power within us to change the world. Scientists have measured the statistically significant effect that focused meditations and events have upon the earth's energy field. These effects were measured during the GaiaMind Meditation and during Princess Diana's funeral. The studies show that the greatest effects occur when groups synchronize their focus. During "The Great Experiment," we will meditate upon specific affirmations in unison to achieve the power of a singular group focus.

 

NOW IT IS TIME TO PUT INTO PRACTICE
WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW TO BE TRUE:

 

"If enough people join their minds and hearts for peace, we can heal the world."

"The Great Experiment" will take place on April 23rd at 6:30 PM Eastern Daylight Savings Time ( This would be 10:30 PM GMT ) Please mark your calendars now, and tell everyone that you know to join with us.

James Twyman has been invited to sing the peace prayers from the twelve major religions at the United Nations building in New York on April 23rd. This presents an unparalleled opportunity for us all. Dr. Doreen Virtue, best-selling author of The Lightworker's Way, and Gregg Braden, geologist and author of Awakening to Zero Point and Walking Between the Worlds, join James in conducting this incredible experiment. Authors, entertainers, and other celebrities, will participate by sharing their vision of "a world transformed by love."

Here's how you can participate:

1. Tell everyone you know. Share this with everyone on your mailing list so that everyone can participate. Feel free to print this out and make copies. The goal is to get as many people as possible focused on this meditation.

2. Begin preparing your spirit and mind for the event by spending a few moments in silence everyday. This will help build the energy.

3. Join at least one other person for the vigil on April 23rd. This is an experience to share. "Where two or more are gathered."

The Format of the Meditation:

1. Opening:

Begin with this affirmation, said with great power and committment:

    I am an Emissary of Light. I extend this Light to all beings, in compassion and love, knowing that they are one within me. this moment the world is healed - and I along with it. I will it - and it is so.

 

2. Then spend five minutes creating a sound (such as "Om") to carry the spiritual energy and vibration. This can be done with a single tone or by singing a song such as "Amazing Grace."

3. Spend five minutes in silence allowing your spirit to receive the light and love which you yourself extended to the world.

4. End with this prayer:

    "It is done! I am one with all - and all is healed. Let love reign where fear once was. I accept this for myself and for the world. I am an Emissary of Light now and always. Amen"

 

Then, with reverence, bow your head and thank God for this grand opportunity. The universe gives thanks to you for being part of this great experiment.

--
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 01:29:59 UT
Subject: RE: Moon V/C

Thanks to Joya for sending Carol's article and for Gloria for providing v/c times for April!

Up to now I've used void-of-course times for scheduling medical tests (so they'll find nothing) and sending in my tax returns (so no audit results). Haven't though about the possible positive uses. Much to ponder.

-------<--{@
Jody (whose astrologer also reads this list but is still lurking - come on out, Lizzy!)


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:22:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Cadre question

Dear Barry -- I've heard Michael say that every cadre has the roles in the standard proportions. But I can't cite a citation. Also the male-female and frequency numbers average out evenly.

By the way, the standard proportions, 4% kings, etc., are the ratios 1/28, 2/28, 3/28, 4/28, and so on, where 28 is the sum of the numbers 1 through 7. So out of 28 fragments, you have 1 king, 2 priests, 3 sages, 4 scholars, 5 warriors, 6 artisans and 7 servers. Sarah Chambers confirmed that this is the source of the percentages that Michael gave that are in MFM.

All the best, Ed


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:54:27 -0500
Subject: Sorry About That

I tried to send a message to Do'runn and you will all see what happened. Well, I'm still learning how to do all of this Online Stuff.

Jody, yes, I sure would like your editorial assistance for the newsletter and all other offers are accepted. I talked to my ISP and they see no problem with my putting it all together and sending it from here, if Lori can't get us on Spiritweb with it. Kathy Neall suggested we might have a separate website and various members who chose to could have their own webpage, but I think that's a little complex for this neophyte. Let me know what you all think. Kathy's reasoning was that the more Michael pages on the net the more searchers will have the opportunity to find us. Anyway, I'm going to get a computer upgrade as soon as the IRS pays up (we have a refund coming) and then I'll get the HTML software, unless of course, Barry and Christine come through. I'm a little ashamed to ask Barry to do something else after that incredible homework he gave us. Fantastic stuff Barry. I printed it out and I'm taking it to Ft. Worth with me for further study. (I really just want to blow Caris away.) LOL. Anyway, I'll let you know more after I get back from the "Magical, Mystical, Michael Mini-Conference" in Ft. Worth. Am leaving in the morning. Will come back an Educated Sage. Watch out Ken and Dick!

Love and Laughter :-))

Jeanne

5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET; Discrimination;
Passion; Pragmatist; Self-Dep/Arrogance/
Intellectual Center, moving part


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:00:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Cadre question

Ed wrote:

 

> Dear Barry -- I've heard Michael say that every cadre has the roles in the
> standard proportions. But I can't cite a citation. Also the male-female and
> frequency numbers average out evenly.
>
> By the way, the standard proportions, 4% kings, etc., are the ratios 1/28,
> 2/28, 3/28, 4/28, and so on, where 28 is the sum of the numbers 1 through 7.
> So out of 28 fragments, you have 1 king, 2 priests, 3 sages, 4 scholars, 5
> warriors, 6 artisans and 7 servers. Sarah Chambers confirmed that this is
> the source of the percentages that Michael gave that are in MFM.

 

Ed, these numbers and ratios warm my old scholar heart. They are also strongly connected to some of the new data that's been dribbling in. I don't yet know how.

--
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:23:14 -0700
Subject: Thorunn in Iceland!

Hi Thorunn,

I've tried replying to your message several times without success. I think my e-mail manager is having trouble with the ț in your username.

I think others have tried as well. Hope you can help.

Thanks.

Anne H


Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:42:51 GMT
Subject: how do i find out my role?

HI again
Im also i trouble with this online stuff, and i saw that my messige was all mixed up.:-)
but the question was how do i find my role? some say its preast and sage, other schoolar and sage.
i hope anyone can help me with this
Bye
Thorunn :-)


Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:26:09 EDT Subject: Re: how do i find out my role?

In a message dated 98-04-22 23:43:23 EDT, Thorunn writes:

 

but the question was how do i find my roll?

 

Did you check to see if it fell under the dinner table?

If that proves futile, I'm sure either Shepherd Hoodwin, Joya Pope, or Ted Fontaine would be delighted to help you look for your spiritual comestibles. Check Lori Tostado's hot and spicey web site to get the needed utensils.

Dave :-)


Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:34:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Cadre question + Newsletter

Ed said:

 

By the way, the standard proportions, 4% kings, etc., are the
ratios 1/28, 2/28, 3/28, 4/28, and so on,

 

Thanks v v much Ed for that info on the essence proportions. The universe really is beautiful and elegant in its setup. Love it!

Jeanne:

 

I'm a little ashamed to ask Barry to do something else after that
incredible homework he gave us.

 

Ashamed?? Hey, I *l*o*v*e* all this.

 

I printed it out and I'm taking it to Ft. Worth with me for further study.

 

Great. Just one thing to note regarding the "Toblerone"-shaped entity I depicted -- according to Ed it works just as well if it's circular rather than triangular, so long those three strips of seven blocks (greater cadres) are side-by-side in a staggered arrangement. If you see what I mean. (In which case, the question of orientation of the "triangle" is irrelevant.)

As I mentioned a while back, I'm also compiling my own Michael notes as I go along. Whenever I understand something, I put it into a hypertext file for reference. It's now looking like a mini-encyclopedia, everything from Soul Age to Cadre Numbering, though still with a few gaps. I think I'll jazz it up a little and "get it up", as they say, for all to see and laugh at (Ooops - bit of Freudian self-dep there!).

As you say, the more Michael sites, the merrier.

 

I'll let you know more after I get back from the "Magical, Mystical, Michael Mini-Conference" in Ft. Worth

 

Envy...

    B a r r y


Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:51:11 +0000
Subject: Yet more on Cadre numbers

Hi again folks,

Just looked at the students' lists on Dick's site. Great work. Plenty of Scholars in there!

One query, though. As yet, we don't know how to correlate specific cadres according to the Shepherd system and Sarah Chambers' system (not to mention yet another system that has been suggested by Barbara Taylor).

Dick's got me down as entity 3, which is correct, but we all seem to be lumped into Cadre 1 of "Cadre Group 2". According to Sarah's system, though, my cadre is Cadre 1 of "Greater Cadre 41". I recently asked Shepherd if that put me in "his" cadre, and he said that he basically knows of no way to cross-match the two systems as yet.

Shepherd's system is based on average soul age within the cadre (or indeed, cadre group -- a team of 12 cadres).

Sarah's, however, is based on the usual "cosmic address code" of casting order. Using a website analogy, you could say that Sarah is getting the cadre's actual "URL" while Shepherd is getting the cadre's placement in an "online search" of cadre groups shown in order of cycling off.

NB - a "greater cadre" in Sarah's system is actually a family of seven cadres, or 49 entities, about 49-50,000 fragments.

To take it a stage further, there are it seems 49 greater cadres (343 cadres, or 2,401 entities) to a "node", making approximately 2.4 million fragments. (And by my calculations, there must now be at least 2,500 nodes, that's almost a million cadres, at work on this planet just to make up the 6 billion human beings presently incarnate.)

Here, to the best of my knowledge, is how it all fits together in Sarah's casting system:-

 

1 CADENCE = 7 fragments

1 GREATER CADENCE = 7 cadences
= 49 fragments

1 ENTITY = 21 greater cadences
= 1,029 fragments
+ a number of wild-card fragments
[based on Ed/Caris info]

1 CADRE = 7 entities
= 7-8,000 fragments

1 GREATER CADRE = 7 cadres
= 50,000 fragments (approx)

1 NODE = 49 greater cadres
= 2.4 million fragments (approx)

 

As an example, I am 5th-cast in Cadence 1 within my greater cadence*, which is in Entity 3 of Cadre 1, Greater Cadre 41, Node 804. [*Sarah hasn't given a greater cadence number, which rules out calculating my raw number in entity.]

Whether this puts me in Shepherd's "Cadre Group 2" is anybody's guess!

As Sarah has apparently suggested to Shepherd, it seems possible that the 12-strong "cadre groups" or "energy rings" (as pictured in the model at http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~barrym/michael/cadre.htm) are actually *support groups* of cadres -- presumably from various greater cadres, just as fragments form 12-strong support groups with others outside their own cadence.

As far as I can tell from searching the archives, Barbara's group seem to be getting cadre numbers in yet another form. To take the "website" analogy further, they seem to be getting the cadre's position as if they were Michael's own list of "bookmarks" -- i.e. in the order in which the Michael entity has made contact with them...

As an Idealist, I guess what I'd really like is to ask Michael for a huge 3-way correlation matrix! (ANY OFFERS?) Failing that, maybe those channels who are getting cadre numbers could try asking Michael for both types of numbers (Sarah's casting system and Shepherd's cycling-off system).

Looking forward to hearing more,

    ______________

    B a r r y
    ______________


Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:15:44 -0700
Subject: Scholar accepts new concepts

Fellow students,

Well this slow-to-learn Scholar, who has ample helpings of Skeptic and Caution (not to mention Stubbornness), has now reread part of »Journey«(§1) and is willing to accept the concepts that -

1. Cadence groupings may not always be in sevens (I had vaguely remembered this)

2. All members of a particular Role are not necessarily cast together (this directly contradicts material in Yarbro)

So adding in "wild cards" to that mix is no big deal!

Cheers,
Dick
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§1 -

   Entities made up of essences who have had a lot of prior experience
   on other planets during previous grand cycles may develop a taste
   for the complex, and "classic" patterns may be altered. For
   example, classically, all the members of one role are grouped
   together within an entity. In an altered pattern, members of a role
   may be scattered throughout an entity in "pockets." [JS1.171]

   »When greater cadences of one role are not all joined together, the
   third number in someone's casting (which refers to the position of
   the greater cadence), although valid, is not as strong. This also
   makes for a reduced solidarity of that role in the entity, but
   causes that role's quality to "break open" and have more impact on
   the entity as a whole. When an entity consists of more than one
   role that is not segregated into separate groupings of greater
   cadences, the entity as a whole is more [homogeneous], more of "one cloth."«

   If the number of essences in an entity is not divisible by seven,
   there are at least two possible reasons. The first is that some
   cadences may have gaps, most frequently at the end, to facilitate
   the entity structure desired by its members. In other words, all
   seven positions may not be filled. Since "all is choice," according
   to Michael, this is plausible, if unusual. (Greater cadences can
   also have gaps.) The second possible reason is what JP Van Hulle's
   channeling called "wild cards," essences who do not occupy a
   particular position, and are available to facilitate unusual entity
   tasks. There can be one to six wild cards in an entity. Wild cards
   are also unusual. [JS1.174]

---

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:16:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Role proportions

Ed,

Thanks so much for this -

 

| By the way, the standard proportions, 4% kings, etc., are the ratios 1/28,
| 2/28, 3/28, 4/28, and so on, where 28 is the sum of the numbers 1 through 7.
| So out of 28 fragments, you have 1 king, 2 priests, 3 sages, 4 scholars, 5
| warriors, 6 artisans and 7 servers. Sarah Chambers confirmed that this is
| the source of the percentages that Michael gave that are in MFM.

 

It's this kind of math that makes a (this, anyway) Scholar's heart sing!

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:16:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Yet more on Cadre numbers (1998-16/1710)

 

| From: Barry
| Subject: Yet more on Cadre numbers
| Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:51:11 +0000
|
| Hi again folks,
|
| Just looked at the students' lists on Dick's site. Great work. Plenty
| of Scholars in there!

 

Yes (17) followed fairly closely by Sages @ 12, with all Roles represented!

 

| One query, though. As yet, we don't know how to correlate specific
| cadres according to the Shepherd system and Sarah Chambers' system (not
| to mention yet another system that has been suggested by Barbara Taylor).
|
| Dick's got me down as entity 3, which is correct, but we all seem to be
| lumped into Cadre 1 of "Cadre Group 2". According to Sarah's system,
| though, my cadre is Cadre 1 of "Greater Cadre 41". I recently asked
| Shepherd if that put me in "his" cadre, and he said that he basically
| knows of no way to cross-match the two systems as yet.

 

Well it looks like that was my screwup. I went back to your original post to the list and see that your numbers are "new" numbers.

 

| Shepherd's system is based on average soul age within the cadre (or
| indeed, cadre group -- a team of 12 cadres).

 

Right, but don't forget there is an "actual" system on which Shepherd's relative system is based. This is shown on one of my pages.

Also in the traditional system is the Greater Cadre Group, which is 7 Cadre Groups (»Journey« pages 163 and 165), and a larger grouping yet of 12 Greater Cadre Groups (page 165).

 

| Sarah's, however, is based on the usual "cosmic address code" of casting
| order. Using a website analogy, you could say that Sarah is getting the
| cadre's actual "URL" while Shepherd is getting the cadre's placement in
| an "online search" of cadre groups shown in order of cycling off.
|
| NB - a "greater cadre" in Sarah's system is actually a family of seven
| cadres, or 49 entities, about 49-50,000 fragments.

 

This is consistent with "greater" meaning "7 of" while "group" means "12 of".

 

| To take it a stage further, there are it seems 49 greater cadres (343
| cadres, or 2,401 entities) to a "node", making approximately 2.4 million
| fragments. (And by my calculations, there must now be at least 2,500
| nodes, that's almost a million cadres, at work on this planet just to
| make up the 6 billion human beings presently incarnate.)

 

Possibly fewer when multiple concurrents are considered.

 

| Here, to the best of my knowledge, is how it all fits together in
| Sarah's casting system:-
|
| 1 CADENCE = 7 fragments
|
| 1 GREATER CADENCE = 7 cadences
| = 49 fragments
|
| 1 ENTITY = 21 greater cadences
| = 1,029 fragments
| + a number of wild-card fragments
| [based on Ed/Caris info]
|
| 1 CADRE = 7 entities
| = 7-8,000 fragments
|
| 1 GREATER CADRE = 7 cadres
| = 50,000 fragments (approx)

 

Why is there not a break here for 7 Greater Cadres?

 

| 1 NODE = 49 greater cadres
| = 2.4 million fragments (approx)
|
| As an example, I am 5th-cast in Cadence 1 within my greater cadence*,
| which is in Entity 3 of Cadre 1, Greater Cadre 41, Node 804. [*Sarah
| hasn't given a greater cadence number, which rules out calculating my
| raw number in entity.]

 

Speaking of which (raw number in Entity) - the original raw number concept was based on the traditional concept of all fragments of a particular Role being cast together, so the raw number is within Role. This will, except for the first-cast Role (if you accept the traditional idea that all of a Role are cast together), not be the same number as raw number in Entity. A good example of this is Kenneth's - his is the first raw number in Entity I've had, and here are the resultant numbers -

Raw number in role: 225 = 1/5/5 casting
Raw number in entity: 1481 = 4/2/31=3 casting

However, taking into account that not necessarily all members of a Role are cast together (see my other post), the concept of raw number within Role becomes meaningless. So then all that is left is number within Entity.

 

| Whether this puts me in Shepherd's "Cadre Group 2" is anybody's guess!

 

Yup!

 

| As Sarah has apparently suggested to Shepherd, it seems possible that
| the 12-strong "cadre groups" or "energy rings" (as pictured in the model
| at http://www.michaelteachings.com/visualizing_new_casting.htm) are actually
| *support groups* of cadres -- presumably from various greater cadres,
| just as fragments form 12-strong support groups with others outside
| their own cadence.

 

That's certainly a new concept, and it could account for the disparate number systems. But what about the larger hierarchical structures above Cadre Group (Greater Cadre Group and the unnamed grouping of 12 Greater Cadre Groups)? Hierarchical structures of support groups doesn't sound logical to me.

 

| As far as I can tell from searching the archives, Barbara's group seem
| to be getting cadre numbers in yet another form. To take the "website"
| analogy further, they seem to be getting the cadre's position as if they
| were Michael's own list of "bookmarks" -- i.e. in the order in which the
| Michael entity has made contact with them...

 

I guess I haven't seen that one.

 

| As an Idealist, I guess what I'd really like is to ask Michael for a
| huge 3-way correlation matrix! (ANY OFFERS?) Failing that, maybe those
| channels who are getting cadre numbers could try asking Michael for both
| types of numbers (Sarah's casting system and Shepherd's cycling-off system).

 

Again, let's not forget the other "actual" numbering system, that on which Shepherd's is based (Cadre Group and Cadre).

 

| Looking forward to hearing more,

 

Likewise I'm sure.

BTW I updated my pages to reflect this new information.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:36:03 EDT
Subject: Re more on cadre numbers, etc.

Dear Dick -- You mention that traditionally the "raw numbers" are based on roles. Maybe, in some mention in the early '70s groups.....but I have the impression that with JP and the other Orinda channels who are giving out "raw numbers" that number has nothing to do with roles.

All the best, Ed


Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:24:28 +0800
Subject: Re: Yet more on Cadre numbers

Barry wrote on 23/4/98 6:54 pm:

 

>nodes, that's almost a million cadres, at work on this planet just to
>make up the 6 billion human beings presently incarnate.)

 

And I thought the population of China alone is at least 10 billion, and that's about a quarter of world population.

Perhaps I remembered wrongly, which shouldn't be surprising.

J J Tan

=====!=====
Put aside Truth, just appreciate the mystery that is called The Universe.


Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:09:45 -0700
Subject: Re: Re more on cadre numbers, etc. (1998-16/1714)

Ed,

 

| Dear Dick -- You mention that traditionally the "raw numbers" are based
| on roles. Maybe, in some mention in the early '70s groups.....but I
| have the impression that with JP and the other Orinda channels who are
| giving out "raw numbers" that number has nothing to do with roles.

 

Quite likely.

I assumed raw numbers were role-based, largely because of the material in Yarbro (cast by role). Also information in »Journey« tends to confirm this (notice particularly the last sentence).(§1)

I agree, however, that if casting is not necessarily by role, then the concept of role-based raw numbers is meaningless.

Cheers,
Dick
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§1 -

   Every essence has a particular numerical position within its entity
   based on its position within its cadence, its cadence's position
   within its greater cadence, and its greater cadence's position
   within its series of greater cadences. That is sometimes called its
   "casting." Along with our cadre, entity, and role, our casting
   precisely locates us within the universe, like our personal cellular
   phone number that travels with us. [JS1.170]

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JS1 = »The Journey of Your Soul« V1 / Shepherd Hoodwin

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:38:56 -0700
Subject: truth & lies

Hi everyone,

I heard a really great tape from Stephen Cocconi and Holly Coleman on "Truth and Lies" where they channeled Michael (who else? ;-) and it's really got me thinking over the last few months about the stance I took on my staunch quest for the truth (whatever that is--well sure, it's relative.) So, I guess I'm finding a more neutral space about all of this, I hope....

Anyway you can get this tape set from Steve if you are interested: (stephen@themichaelteaching.com) and he's got other great tapes as well. I highly recommend them!
Their web-site is www.themichaelteaching.com.

Love and Light,
Lori
(Scholar with a lower than average frequency--means I ponder stuff for a looooooong time....)


Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 13:38:31 UT
Subject: RE: Magnetic Kings

Hi Everyone,

I was re-reading MFM and got to wondering about magnetic kings, because the info given on them is scant and I can't find anything in any of the other Michael books I have. How do they show up and how do they affect us? I got the impression that they help old souls complete their life tasks so they can cycle off, but I don't know how that might be different from someone being in our quadrate/sextant or whatever. Anyone have a real-life experience with their magnetic king (I know Jeanne thinks she has)?

Thanks!

--------<--{@ Jody
Mature scholar just wondering about stuff


Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:36:58 +0800
Subject: For the musicians on the list...

First, I would like to apologize because of the definitely off-topic nature of this post. But remember our little discussion on composers a while ago? Bartok? Mozart? I did mention that we were going to perform a piece by Bartok. So, now the concert is over. I captured the following off our orchestra bulletin board, an unofficial review by a regular music reviewer in Singapore. (Eat your heart out, Dave! ;-p)

J J Tan

 

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Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra is one of my favourites, and last night's performance was
one of the finest I've ever heard. The pacing was spot on, the different moods captured
unerringly and the textures and counterpoint were so beautifully transparent. There was
so much humour that I hadn't noticed before (so many conductors take this as a poker
faced showpiece), and the whirlwind of the finale was electrifying, gathering more and
more momentum for a real adrenalin rush at the end.

As always with Okko Kamu, the orchestra played its best (even if some of the musicians
looked like they were at death's door, trying to count beats and not miss any entries....they
were REALLY trying). The resulting high standard was particularly impressive given Kamu's
demand for clarity...no hiding behind thick textures or loud brass.

I liked it so much I broke my own rule about never again writing a review (especially a
gushing one) and urge anyone with free time this evening to go down to the VCH and fill
those empty seats.

And...I should also mention that Arto Noras gives superlative performances of the
Saint-Saens Cello Concerto and Tchaikovsky Rococo Variations. Noble tone, beautifully
expressive playing, with no shortage of virtuosity when needed. Where's he been hiding
all these years?

 


Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:58:11 EDT
Subject: ENTITY STRUCTURE

BARRY: .It seems a bit counter-intuitive to me that souls are literally "strung together" in this fashion. So I wonder if the model is strictly no more than that, a conceptual pattern, rather than a description of how it really is "up there". In fact, a question you might like pose to Michael if you ever have a spare moment is: Do they actually experience themselves and perceive each other existing in this kind of spatial configuration (or any other)?

MICHAEL (Channeled by Shepherd): No, we do not experience ourselves as locations on a grid of any kind, any more than you do. However, the energetic bonds can be viewed if we wish to "tune in" on that level.

The entity structure is far more complex than we have been able to thus far impart. We need to wait for you to digest the basics before we can offer another level of complexity. Think of the entity design as having a similar level of complexity to that of the physical body, or even more. There are many ways of looking at the body's structure; the same is true of an entity's.

Shepherd


Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:00:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Re more on cadre numbers, etc.

Dick Hein wrote:

 

> Ed,
>
> | Dear Dick -- You mention that traditionally the "raw numbers" are based
> | on roles. Maybe, in some mention in the early '70s groups.....but I
> | have the impression that with JP and the other Orinda channels who are
> | giving out "raw numbers" that number has nothing to do with roles.
>
> Quite likely.
>
> I assumed raw numbers were role-based, largely because of the material in
> Yarbro (cast by role). Also information in »Journey« tends to confirm
> this (notice particularly the last sentence).(§1)
>
> I agree, however, that if casting is not necessarily by role, then the
> concept of role-based raw numbers is meaningless.
>
> [clipped]

 

Thanks, guys, for bringing up this point. I have been very concerned about this particular issue since my channeling of role based raw numbers has been getting more and more difficult and hazier and hazier... plus I was losing any inner feel for it's value to me or my clients.

Of much greater value, it's turning out for me, is the raw number of an essence's position within its whole entity. This for me, when I did my own, was like finding out where I really lived... where home is... what my address is. There is a power to the entity-based raw number that does not exist in the role-based raw number. I think this is due to the entity's roles not being formed all together in a clump... that the role essences are scattered throughout the entity.

This also, to me, is related to the 1/28, 2/28, 3/28, etc proportions altho I don't have any details about this yet.

--
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


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