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THE POSTS: Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:26:57 EDT In a message dated 98-04-05 22:37:54 EDT, Kathy writes:
I am so sorry. I've upset you, I can tell, there's not one mention of
Heh heh...I wasn't upset. I perfectly understood the issue, and I think that
transfering the out-of-print books you mentioned to a CD-Rom format is a good
idea. I was just playing the Devil's advocate concerning the implementation of
such an idea to cherished works of literature. Thus, I was expressing my worry
that someday a young soul techno-nerd might take an idea such as electronic
print and use it to herald the demise of all books as we know them. Admittedly,
such a prospect is probably unlikely, but what a scary thought. Dave Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:13:06 -0500 J J Tan wrote:
> Ha! I haven't yet heard my Essence, much less see it...
To: All While we're on the subject, I have not "seen" my essence, but have felt it's presence quite often. However, once in meditation, I asked if my essence had a name, and that if so, that essence let me know what it's name was. About three days later, I had forgotten my request, but unexpectedly, I woke up with the sounds, "Os-wa-gol-li-gar." I didn't know what it was but wrote it down in my dream journal. Later I realized that was my essence's name. Later, I asked in a channelling session (Aaron Christeaan) if that was indeed my essence's name, and Michael confirmed it, but that the name is how it would be perceived auditorally in the physical plane. They said that when essences approach each other in the astral plane, there are no names but a signature vibration that is distinct to each essence, and that the signature shifts and changes when essence changes. In short, the "name" evolves reflecting it's (pardon the pun) essence. I thought I'd share that. John Macchietto Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:32:12 -0500 Barbara wrote:
> I don't have the same issues of not having enough material,
BIG SNIP Barbara, I think that is what so many of the California Core Groups feel. What those of you who are in the California Community are not aware of is how difficult getting new information is for those of us who are scattered across the country. When the first book "MFM" came out I found it in a big bookstore in Springfield, MO. Then as the others came out I managed to find them by going to the New Age section of the same bookstore on my rare visits to that town (it was 60 miles away from me). I just found "Michael For The Millenium" last Spring when a Barnes & Noble bookstore opened in Cape Girardeau, MO where I work. In the interim (maybe 10 years) nothing. I know that all of the channels are coming forth with new information all of the time and since I got on the internet (which is the exception not the rule in this area), I have had access to what all of you in the mainstream consider old hat. Since I live in an area that is not only under-educated, but also pays very low salaries, I have to pick and choose what I will purchase. I have subscribed to a newsletter and I am gradually purchasing books and tapes that I think will be of use to me but I'm usually buying a pig in a poke. I do not know until I've received the material, whether it will be useful to me at my stage of growth. I was quite disappointed in a tape I just recently received that I paid $20 for and there was maybe 30 minutes of information on it. And the information was information I already had. What I am trying to say is that many, many Michael students are not even aware that there is new material out here. And a way needs to be found, paper, electronic, whatever, to get the material out, that is beneficial to the author and to the purchaser. I do not know the answer, but I think that the electronic means is well worth looking at. It won't solve the entire problem, but it certainly would help. Jeanne Holley Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:19:37 +0800 Ed wrote on 4/4/98 7:21 pm:
>I think suicides are going to be dramatically prevalent in the Bible Belt area
Just curious. Where is this Bible _Belt_? The Middle East? And why the increase in suicide in that area? Because of the Moslem Extremists on Jihat? J J Tan Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:00:05 EDT
| The issue of publication is interesting and an area which is evolving.
So far, my books haven't been very profitable for me. Maybe about 5000 each have sold so far, and even though I self-publish, I have a distributor that takes a large percentage of what it collects from wholesalers or bookstores, so there's not much margin. Plus my first distributor went bankrupt, owing me a bunch of money--ouch! Any publisher will tell you that the book business is very tough, especially right now. The superstore chains buy large quantities; then, if they don't move right away, the chains return most of them, leaving the publishers high and dry--returns are a terrible problem right now: they come in lieu of cash, more and more. I publish my books because I must, but I also need to make it work for me financially. I have four more books that are basically finished and awaiting publication, three channeled from Michael. I created my web site hoping to sell large quantities of books directly to readers, which would begin to make publishing profitable. I am strongly considering using bulk e-mail to promote the site and sales, because I don't see any other way to make it work, but I have mixed feelings because I know most people don't like "spam." However, most spam is selling MLMs, sex sites, or bulk e-mailing software. Maybe people wouldn't mind so much an unsensationalistic offer for books, especially since nowadays, people pay for their ISP with a flat fee, so it doesn't cost them anything to get more bulk e-mail. I am surprised at how few books and other reputable products are sold through bulk e-mail. Either it's a bad idea, or it's a great idea that hasn't caught on yet--or it's the bad reputation of spam. I personally don't mind the spam anymore; I quickly delete most of it, but occasionally something looks interesting and I read it. I once bought a useful book that way. If I do bulk e-mailing, I can hire a service to do it for me, which is very expensive, or I can buy a PC (there's no software for Macs) and do it myself, also very expensive. I can buy CD-Roms with lists of millions of addresses (many bad, no doubt) and mail to everyone. Or I can buy software that pulls addresses off of appropriate targeted sites (new age, alternative medicine, etc.), which is much more time-consuming, but less likely to put mail in the hands of fundamentalist Christians who think that channeling is the work of Satan. I have asked for inner guidance on all this, and have been told only that I should put one foot in front of the other and I would be shown what to do. I finally got most of the bugs out of my web site (http://summerjoy.com), after working hard on it for six months, and am now "ready for prime time." I'd really appreciate your feedback on this. All the best, Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:00:07 EDT Dear Kenneth, This is just wonderful! So empowering. Thanks for writing it. I totally agree about not childishly worshiping essence. If essence were fully evolved, it wouldn't be here. All parts of self are in this together, making mistakes, learning and evolving. It's true that essence has the larger picture, but personality has the smaller picture, and both are needed. I see essence and personality as an equal partnership, a collaboration with give and take. I went for years letting my essence totally decide everything, and found that my essence wasn't always right--sometimes my personality, being on the "front lines," knew better. I now see my conscious self as the bridge between essence and personality, the one responsible for wisely weighing all the input and setting my course. It's rather like Freud's idea of ego bridging the id and the superconscious. When the impulses of my essence and personality are at odds, it's my job to negotiate a solution that works for both, rather than letting one dominate the other. Love, Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:23:46 -0500 Regarding the necessity of rest and all that, here are a couple of things to ponder.... A number of channels have gotten the same information about old souls' needing to balance their work time with their rest time... Michael places this ratio at about 3:3.... as an example they say that for every three hours of work, three hours of rest are necessary. If you work for three days, you 'should' (for optimum balance) rest for three days. Or three months on, three months off. There seems to be a reciprocity failure factor built in here, for they don't recommend long stretches of work without a rest, saying three months is about the limit before you start to melt down and then the rest period will need to be even longer. I know this is of no solace to those who feel compelled to work, or who have to work past this balance because of those very real necessities like groceries and rent - BUT, even though your work situation might not be ideal, just knowing the real and honest need for rest can be comforting in its way as you'll feel perhaps not so guilty or undeserving of time spent whiling away the hours just looking out the window. The next point I'd like to bring attention to in terms of balance is how your Four Pillars are part of this whole R&R concept... Since only ONE of the FP's is "True Work", doesn't it fall to reason that there *is* a reason for "True Study", "True Play", and "True Rest" as well? The four pillars are in place to support your life task. If you do not do ALL the four pillars, you will find it more difficult, or confusing, or unsatisfying to be doing life task work. So Rest! Play!! Come have a martini at my house! Caris Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:06:03 -0500 I have been mulling an idea over in my mind all day and I'm going to offer it up as just that, an idea. Religious Science puts out a monthly publication, available at book stores and magazine centers, for a modest price. It generally contains articles, up-to-date info on what is going on in the Religious Science Community, book reviews, etcetra. I was thinking that the Michael Channels might confer among themselves and come up with a monthly online newsletter on that order. I am aware that there are divergences of opinion among various channels, but I would think that the greater good of the entire Michael Community, nationwide (worldwide) might bring them to a concensus on what sorts of material could be distributed in an online newsletter. And every channel would have his/her day; i.e., be the featured channel of the month (2 months, quarter, whatever). If it appeared that this concept would be feasible, it could be offered at a fee to be paid in advance by those who wanted to receive it. I'm sure that again, a concensus could be reached as to what the charges should be, so that all of those who were contributing to the newsletter would receive adequate remuneration for their efforts. I currently receive two online newsletters, one of "Chief Joseph" and the
other is the "Salem New Age" newletter. I look forward to the information that
is sent to me and print them out as soon as they come in. For those, like
myself, who are so far removed from the Michael Communities, it would give us
more a feeling of inclusiveness. At this point in time, I'm sampling Authors and
to a lesser extent channels. I would hope that some of the fine minds out there could examine the worthiness of such an effort and if an online newsletter is not feasible, perhaps figure out something that is. Love and Hunger for Information :-)) Jeanne Holley 5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination; Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:07:53 -0700 Hi Everyone, I wrote this last night and then wasn't going to send it because I thought it has a bit too much attitude. :) But after reading Shepherd's post today, I think I will go ahead and put it on the list, because it might give a better understanding of what some of the challenges are facing authors right now who want to share information and also have it be a profitable venture. Best to all, Brin
Why would an author want to spend two, three, five years of work to write and publish a book that doesn't provide a viable livelihood? For people that want to spend two or three dollars for material that has years of work behind creating it, do you think that is a reasonable exchange? How altruistic do we expect authors to be? Many of these books have no advance. They are written because the author feels moved to do so without any guarantees. They are often written while the author is spending time making a living some other way. Maybe as books become unavailable or don't get written, we'll find ways to reward the kind of time and effort that goes into creating a well written book, rather than, as we so often do in this culture currently, reward things quickly made, (and sometimes quickly forgotten as well.)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:12:53 -0500 Dear Caris, Again you relieve me of my sense of guilt! First storms, now daydreaming. My ability to sit and live inside my head, while staring at absolutely nothing has often troubled me. Perhaps it is being married to a Warrior whom I have dubbed "The Energizer Bunny." I greatly appreciate this posting, and mix the martinis (and please don't bruise them). Love and Here's To You :-)) Jeanne Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 01:18:59 +0100 I know this is a bit off-topic, but I just had to post...
>I created my web site hoping to sell large quantities of books directly to
I have to say, please, PLEASE don't even consider doing this. The reason that so few books or reputable products are sold through bulk e-mail is that, unless it is strictly opt-in (to people who've asked you to send them information), it's going to do you far, far more harm than good. Most ISPs have clauses against bulk mailing, because it causes so many problems. The millions of mails being pumped out can jam up mail servers for hours, even crashing them at times. It transfers to cost of advertising on to the ISPs and consumers. Imagine if just one in every thousand small companies decided to advertise their products by bulk e-mail - take a quick look at the Yellow Pages and guess at how many e-mails that would lead to us getting each day! It would be impossible to find our real mail in all the spam. Most ISPs will immediately close down the dial-up and web hosting accounts of anyone who uses bul e-mail to advertise their sites or products, it's widely regarded as an intrustive and unethical medium for advertising. I think you would find that bulk e-mailing would quickly cause you far more problems that it would solve, and possibly even cost you customers. It would be much better to get your site (and therefore books) more widely known by other means. On that topic, I quite enjoy playing around with graphics, so if anyone on this list wants a Link Exchange banner or banner for other link exchange schemes designed, I'd be happy to help. I probably can't do much for about 2 weeks though, as I'm about to move home. For a basic explanation of the main problems with bulk e-mailing, this is a good page: http://www.cauce.org/problem.html Sorry to go on at length about this, but it really concerns me to see anyone considering using unsolicted e-mailing as an advertising means, and I hope this had given some idea why. Christine PS: To give some idea of how widely spam is regarded as a problem, this is a quotation from Vint Cerf, Senior Vice President of MCI: "Spamming is the scourge of electronic-mail and newsgroups on the Internet. It can seriously interfere with the operation of public services, to say nothing of the effect it may have on any individual's e-mail mail system. ... Spammers are, in effect, taking resources away from users and service suppliers without compensation and without authorization." Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:25:49 -0700 Christine (and Shepherd), I agree 100%. My ISP is real big on shutting down spammers. I NEVER read them, and if by accident I do, anything they might be selling is instantly tainted by being bulk mail. I imagine the negative energy generated by the thoughts of those zillions of unwilling, uninterested recipients would do far more harm than good on levels that students such as ourselves can easily understand. My 2 bits' worth.... Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:23:46 -0500 Caris wrote:
---snip---
Caris, Thanks. The way I figure it, I have about 20 years of rest coming to me. John Macchietto Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:30:50 -0700
| From: Kenneth Broom | Subject: Essence and Rest and Godness | Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:59:58 -0400 | | I and several of my friends have discovered that during an incarnation | if you want rest then "TELL" Essence or Entity or even TAO that you | desire a few days' rest, or for however long. You will get it. Please | notice that I use the word "TELL", not the word "ask".
A very thoughtful post, IMO. I'll usually slough ideas like this off, but I think this was very well presented. The concept goes counter to my perceptions as demonstrated in a response I made some time ago to a post by Barbara. But hey, it's about growth, right? I can change, but it needs to be for good reason. Also note that Kenneth's ideas are in agreement with Michael. Cheers, [--------------------<*>--------------------] Each person is the leader of a team assembled to achieve tasks. You
--- GJS = Growing Through Joy "Working With Spirit Guides" In marking quoted material, the marks text represent italics. The following table shows nominal markings for each source - GJS = Edited Michael Other === Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:31:13 -0700
| From: Shepherd Hoodwin
As has been mentioned before, this directly contradicts what was emphatically put forth in Yarbro. And as I contend - if new information contradicts old, held-to-be-valid material, for the new information to be considered valid the old must be refuted. That appears to be what is being said WRT casting. So was the information in Yarbro *wrong*? Or is it as was the case with ETs being 6-out-of-7 the same Role in Yarbro but now not so, attributed to the information in Yarbro being for those with few major cycles with those with higher major cycle counts opting for more flexible casting? There has to be a reason for everything, and unless that reason is known and understood, where does one "hang his hat"? How do we, who don't have direct access to (can channel effectively) Michael, know what material is accurate/valid? Cheers, Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:31:34 -0700
| From: Barbara Taylor
1. I am one voice, representing not necessarily one opinion/position. 2. Debate, in the form of useful information, is one way to "convince" someone of their position (see my reply to a recent post by Kenneth).
| Skeptics need to find out for themselves. When stubbornness is
Hey, let's not forget Caution (I have that too!).
| Some of us are actively searching for new information, others
"Working through"? More like "Holding on to until something more valid is presented."
| All is as it should be for every one of us.
Of course. Cheers, Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:31:55 -0700
| From: Shepherd Hoodwin
"Don't like" is a gross understatement.
| However, most spam is selling MLMs, sex sites, or bulk e-mailing software.
Makes no difference what it sells - spam is spam.
| Maybe people wouldn't mind so much an unsensationalistic offer for
To many, myself included, it's an invasion-of-privacy thing.
| I am surprised at how few books and other reputable products are sold
At the risk of offending you, let me be blunt - I think the reason you feel this way may be your lack of experience on the Net. For many of us who have been around awhile (on the Net) spam is not just a curiosity or an inconvenience, it is an anathema.
| I personally don't mind the spam anymore; I quickly delete most of it,
When I get spam, I forward it to the sender's ISP (when ascertainable) as well as a few uplines as determined by a traceroute.
| I'd really appreciate your feedback on this.
As the above and following indicate, it looks like you'll get it! ---
/ From: Christine Daae
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\ From: Anne Hawley --- I think I probably don't need to add anything more. Cheers, Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:32:15 -0700
| From: Brin
Brin, Thanks for following your later urge to send this. Sometimes a little attitude is what is needed. Many, perhaps most, of us don't have much of a clue as to what goes on behind the scenes in the publishing business. So your bringing it to our attention does us a service IMO. Cheers, Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:36:45 -0400 Jeanne, Read your post of yesterday suggesting a collaberative on-line publication from the Michael channels. Gosh, wouldn't that be wonderful. The reason I found this list was because I was searching for the publishers of the now defunct "Spirit Speaks" which was a print magazine which featured several channelled entities, and was IMHO a very worthwhile effort. I never did find the publishers, but after posting some messages on some of "new age" sites, I was directed here. I, too, feel I've missed out on much of the Michael information over the years ... it just doesn't get distributed around the rest of the country. And I would be happy to subscribe to any effort by the channels to publish a magazine on-line or in any form. Perhaps if enough people respond ... And a note on relaxation ... if the ratio is 3:3, then I must be making up
for 3 lifetimes, because all I wanna do is sleep this life! Gina (Mnemosyne) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:07:28 EDT A couple of years ago I saw a cool book called I believe"1001 Ways to Sell Your Book" by, I think, Kramer or a similar name. It was then a couple of years old and had been updated every three or four years since the '70s, so there is probably a new version out or coming out soon, though I haven't seen it. The last version predated the WWW explosion. Kramer's (?) main idea was that if you as an author want to publish your work, whether through a publisher or by self-publishing, and have any chance of success, you need to seriously think through the reality of 1) what is the purpose of the book (both your purpose in writing it and the use it serves for the reader); 2) who are the readers, who would be interested enough to possibly buy it; and 3) how do you effectively reach them as a target group? Then he went on to hundreds of pages of interesting and wide-ranging detail on many different approaches. I'd certainly buy a copy if I run across it. I remember the idea that the traditional route of publishers with sales reps selling to bookstores is just a subset of all the possibility and authors would be wise not to rely on it alone. All the best, Ed Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:20:46 EDT I think "spam" is an intrusion like having random strangers ring your doorbell to sell you something. If you're way out in the boondocks, you might enjoy the contact, but if there were 20 or 50 or more salesmen a day it would be a nuisance. "Deleting" them by going to the door and saying "go away, I'm busy" 20 or 50 times a day would disrupt one's life, wouldn't it? There are few reputable businesses selling door-to-door or by internet spamming because they quickly get overwhelmed by the negative feedback they get. Telemarketing works better because the callers in their "boiler room" aren't facing the full negative energy they'd get if they were going door-to- door in person and they can instantly quit a call and dial another one. But few reputable companies rely on telemarketing "cold calls" as a way of life. All the best, Ed Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:15:37 -0700
>Brin,
Thanks Dick.... I would just add that the best way to insure that books can happen is to support the authors by buying their books. If books are bought directly from Shepherd and Joya, Jose and the others, then they may be able to take the time to create new books. Newsletters and such can be great ideas as well, although they don't address the issue of the time it takes to really lay out material well in a book and also make a reasonable living from doing so. Best to all, Brin Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:40:01 +0000 Shepherd, I also agree with Christine, and not just because she's family! Spamming is the last thing you ought to be doing. It just alienates your potential customers -- who are, after all, Michael students-in-waiting. What your books need is exposure -- YOUR exposure. Do magazine interviews. Talk on the radio. Get magazines to review your books. It always works!! The one thing that really "sells", in the most positive sense, is you and your personal story. People want to know who YOU are -- why you're doing what you're doing -- how it's changed your life -- and of course what you have to to offer. People who read things like Common Boundary or (here in the UK) Kindred Spirit or even (why not) Newsweek would be fascinated. That's how people like Wayne Dyer make megabucks. Look at Ken Wilber [someone who SHOULD be a Michael student!]. I suspect the first Michael book might have had a decent amount of public interest in the 70s, but the Michael story "died a death" thereafter due to lack of follow up. I expect that a lot of people out there who read MFM 20+ years ago have no idea that Michael is still coming through more loud and clear than ever through dozens of channels. I can understand Sarah/Jessica et al wanting to keep things relatively quiet for themselves, and regularly "broadcasting" the latest incoming info to the world at large probably wasn't for them. But times have changed, there are new channels, and the teachings are surely having their intended impact. Many of us are now Michael Students with a capital S, not just people who've read some funny little book with a ouija board on the cover. So I say, books (and their authors) need exposure to sell themselves. As for an online subscription-based newsletter, I'm all for that too. B a r r y Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:43:40 +0000 Caris said:
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I know my arithmetic ain't what it used to be, but isn't 3:3 exactly the same as 1:1? Good info nevertheless! B a r r y Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:15:35 -0500
I know my arithmetic ain't what it used to be, but isn't 3:3 exactly the same as 1:1?
All I can say is when the M's spoke of this matter they did not say 1:1. They very specifically said 3:3 - maybe because they realize the ..... silliness? ..... of working one hour and then resting one hour. I don't know. When I wrote the post I originally wrote 1:1 (even though math is my WORST subject), and changed it to 3:3 at their request. Maybe there's more on this to explain...... if I get anything I'll post it. Caris Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:15:10 EDT
Seriously, can you imagine reading Melville's "Moby Dick"
I've read that the current limitations of computer monitors is what is most holding back electronic publication. In a few years, perhaps we'll have laptop monitors that aren't a strain to read at length. Maybe they'll come up with book readers, where you just pop in the disk to something very portable and light. Thank you for the feedback on bulk e-mailing. I had not thought about it jamming the system. Best, Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 20:18:46 -0700 Shepherd, If people are interested in getting more material published, they will need to put their $$$ where their mouth is, as they say. Most publishers stop printing books when sales drop. Simple Economics 101. The rest of us have a need for expression or agreements to put information out there for whatever reasons. If making money were the goal, I suspect there would be NO Michael books published ever again. If the folks that want more material can come up with a system for supporting alternative methods, I'm sure the authors would be willing to consider using them. There's a great opportunity there for someone with the entrepreneurial drive to make it happen. Personally, I've never bought any Michael book, tape, seminar or channeling session that was disappointing to me. And, I'm in the 5% that puts a lot of money into supporting the teachings with $$$, time and effort to spread them out into the world.
Barbara Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 20:43:21 -0700 Shepherd, Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:23:32 +0800 Dave Gregg wrote on 6/4/98 1:37 am:
> Anyway, as a Sage, my career choice (right now) is a musician. >>
Should musicians have ax (or axe)? Does the ax come with a grinder? Anyway, I am a violinist by trade and, well, I used to have an ax <g> but I think collective Essence(s) took care of it better than I thought (imagined) and the ax is now in deep storage. :-) J J Tan Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:24:03 +0800 Dave Gregg wrote on 6/4/98 2:43 am:
>Could it be possible that a mistake was made concerning your goal of
Good idea. Maybe I should check it again. According to Shepherd Hoodwin in "Journey of a Soul", it is possible to switch Goal, especially with older soul age with more experience. J J Tan Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:25:05 +0800 Shepherd wrote on 6/4/98 5:00 pm: <snipped>
>I created my web site hoping to sell large quantities of books directly to
<snipped>
>If I do bulk e-mailing, I can hire a service to do it for me, which is very
One alternative just occur to me: How about asking to advertise your books on those New Age sites instead of pulling email addresses from there? All it takes is a graphic banner or just a link to your own site. This may cost money, or not, depending on the owners of those sites. J J Tan Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:43:34 +0200 Hi oldies! I do not know the reference but my understanding is that if an oldie works for 2 weeks he/she should rest for one. I found this in something I wrote for myself after reading some Michael material. I remember this also because I used this ratio in discussion on how much work I should dedicate to the household. :-) So the ratio is 1:2, that is 3 parts: one rest, two work(activity). Olafur Jakobsson Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:43:11 EDT Dave, John Clarko Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:46:07 EDT In a message dated 4/8/98 12:06:04 PM, Olafur wrote:
So the ratio is 1:2, that is 3 parts: one rest, two work(activity).
Olafur, I like the way you put the "rest" part first. --john clarko Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:05:29 EDT Here's a thought that I am not too proud to share with y'all. What if some scientists could scrape some DNA off the Shroud of Turin ( or some other artifact) and use that material to clone Jesus? What would he be like? And, on a related Holy Week subject... Did the little Jesus get spankings? Does this create karma for the spanker? And if you get bad karma with infinite spirit, does the shit REALLY hit the fan? John Clarko Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:56:55 EDT Barry wrote:
>What your books need is exposure -- YOUR exposure. Do magazine
Mike wrote:
I don't know if this is a good idea or not but why doesn't someone
Thanks for your thoughts. I sent out 200 of each book for reviews to a mailing list of publications that review new age books. I got some wonderful reviews in mostly small publications, but it had little impact (except maybe the rave in the NAPRA Review, which goes to owners and buyers for new age bookstores). But, for example, New Age Journal receives about 200 books for every issue, and reviews about three, usually by people who are already well-known. (They missed the "Celestine Prophecy," for instance.) I've done a few small radio interviews, but haven't been able to get on anything bigger, such as Art Bell, which would be very helpful. An acquaintance of mine was on, and sales of his book went through the roof. I've sent them my books and press releases, and have e-mailed follow-ups, and never got a response. I love being interviewed (although feel a little nervous about it, too, in situations in which I'm not practiced and that might not be supportive). I could hire a publicist to get me on more things, and television (Oprah!), but that is very expensive. I should devote more time to publicist tasks, but I'm a one-man band, and it's overwhelming how much there is to do. Writing the books is much less than half the work involved. The business end could easily become a full-time job. The word-of-mouth has been great on the books, but it hasn't caught fire like, say, a Celestine Prophesy or Conversations with God, which are far more mainstream and commercial. I keep doing everything I can and know how to do, and pray for a miracle. Psychics have seen great energy and prospects around the books, but as to whether they'll actually become financially successful, that remains to be seen. I appreciate your support. Thanks. Best, Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:44:00 +0200
Seriously, can you imagine reading Melville's "Moby Dick" from the
Just because a manuscript comes in on my computer doesn't mean I can't print it out... I'd think that authors with such a limited market as Michael students would be best advised to sell their books as electronic documents via the web and let the readers print the material out and put it into a binder if they like. That would not only make more material available and put more money into the hands of deserving authors, it would also save the purchasers money that would ordinarily have gone for printing and distribution. Everybody wins. And a modest annoucement telling this list (for example) or other similar lists that you have a new book for sale probably wouldn't count as Spam. Peace, Katherine E. Doversberger The real problem is; Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:44:11 -0500 Shepherd, I have been ordering books and tapes directly from whichever "Author/Channel" wrote the book or recorded the tape. Perhaps, not asking for the books in bookstores is part of the problem. If there is no demand in the bookstores, the bookstores will not stock them. Incidentally, I went to a webpage "Full Circle Books" and I noticed that they were advertising a number of books including Course In Miracles and Seth/Jane Roberts books. I did send them an e-mail, complimenting their website (very elegant and understated) and asked why, since they are in California, they did not advertise any of the Michael Teachings books. They are not an online store, but they are another source of advertising for our channels efforts. Jeanne Holley Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:22:17 -0700
> What if some scientists could scrape some DNA off the Shroud of Turin (or
This is going to get a little weird but someone connected with the
Montauk project claims they went back in time to get a sample of blood from
Jesus. I can think of only one reason to do that and that would be to clone him.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:54:40 EDT In a message dated 98-04-08 17:45:09 EDT, you write:
What would he be like?
Note from a scholar who learned something she did not know until a few months ago (what a naughty supposed to be Catholic!) I guess the term "Immaculate Conception" really refers to Mary's conception, because she was born without original sin. Not really trying to be a jerk and correct you, just want to "disseminate" the info, 'cause I thought it was Jesus' birth my whole life until I saw an A&E biography on Mary around Christmas time. Oopsies! So, I guess his birth was already IC once removed. But with that whole original sin (which, I must admit, the idea of it makes me very angry!), does that mean Jesus was born with original sin? Or did he just get everyone else's? Yes, I would like to hear more about great figures from history, and what Michael has to say about them! I am also interested to hear whether Michael has said anything regarding the Bubonic plague or the Holocaust...anyone? Who's gonna have to deal with all that kharma? And when will it start? Are people who died in the Holocaust already incarnating here? byebye! I must apologize if this comes out weird...something has happened to
my aol mail colors, and I can't seem to make it go away! So, sorry if this comes
out red! Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:38:53 EDT In a message dated 98-04-08 22:16:03 EDT, you wrote:
<< Seriously, can you imagine reading Melville's "Moby Dick" from the
I wasn't refering to Michael books in that quote, but to literature that's up to 600 pages long. But nevermind... Dave Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:53:36 EDT In a message dated 4/8/98 10:30:08 PM, Mike Huttinger wrote:
This is going to get a little weird but someone connected with the
I would not doubt this is possible...but my question is...why would Jesus allow a blood sample to be taken? Don't you think he would know the intent of the sample takers? And if this did happen, and if Jesus did know their intent was to creat a clone in the "future", then I would suppose this was/is something Jesus agreed was acceptable. (Just some thoughts!) Robin D. Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:44:14 EDT In a message dated 98-04-09 01:42:44 EDT, Kris writes:
Yes, I would like to hear more about great figures from history, and what
I agree, info about historic figures such as Jesus is always a fascinating subject, but I hope it's more accurate than some of the information that's been compiled about noted celebrities. I think some of the channeling concerning the overleaves of celebrities represents everything that's wrong with the Michael teachings. For instance, I've seen Mozart channeled as a warrior, a sage, and an artisan. At this rate, even I could take a whack at his overleaves. What the hell, I'll just compile an entire book that charts the overleaves of every star in Hollywood, but not by using the miraculous gift of channeling, but through the implementation of a more time tested methodology - eeny-meeny-miney-moe. ;-p Obviously, I'm guilty of hyperbole, but the point I'm trying to make is that I'm really not seeing enough collaboration between the Michael channels. It's rather ironic that Michael teaches how the physical plane is a world where we all feel separated from each other, while most of the channelers I've seen appear to have a lone bull attitude of "My reading's right and yours is wrong." I don't mean this with any disrepect, just offering a perception about the obvious need for more corroboration. With the recent discussion about using the electronic media, perhaps this would help in bridging the gap between the growing throng of Michael channelers and allow them to work together to create a more cohesive whole in the teachings; however, so far, the published discrepencies only weaken the thrust of their efforts. I thought that the recent conference last November would have helped to diminish this concern, but the obvious exclusion of a couple notable channelers only escalated the problem, in my humble opinion. Dave Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:33:52 EDT In a message dated 98-04-08 17:10:00 EDT, John Clarko writes:
Dave,
I think the only thing my sofa would know about time is that when I'm sitting on it, it's usually "time for another beer." Of course, if I'm really bored, I could always try to get high from sniffing a dead horse. ;--p <--(20 demerits if you don't get it.) Dave Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:38:16 +0800 Caris wrote on 7/4/98 12:13 am:
> Regarding the necessity of rest and all that, here are a couple of
Erm, I think I read somewhere (Journey of a Soul?) that the ratio is 4:1, 4 hrs work to 1 hr rest, 8hrs work (usual work=EFg day) to 2hrs rest (usually we have at least 2hrs to ourselves after work). Anyone can confirm either way? PS: Having read another post, which stated the ratio of 2:1 (work : rest), I begin to doubt my memory... but I am quite sure it was not 3:3 that I= read. J J Tan There is no Truth, just the perceiver and the mystery that is called The Universe. Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:02:14 -0700 Fellow students, I have found, as many of you undoubtedly have, that when one has a need for something necessary for one's evolution, the fulfillment of that need is often facilitated by one's guides. IMO my guides are very skillful in helping me along my spiritual path, having guided me to several basic- understanding books before »Messages«, then on to several other Michael books, »Cosmic Journey«, and just recently Newton's »Journey of Souls«. I see each of these as a meaningful step in my spiritual growth. I have also discovered that part of the need/ask/answer sequence can be at the time unrecognized. Specifically, sometimes I have a need but am not consciously aware of it. Sometimes I pose a question but don't realize that I do. It is only when the answer comes that I can see what led up it. Such a case has occurred once again. This time the need was to be able to reconcile the apparent discrepancies and/or contradictions between material primarily in Yarbro, which due to its being my first exposure to Michael and to its method of expression (I *like* the direct quotes) I have considered to be "baseline valid", and the newer material currently being brought in. As readers of the list are aware, I have been struggling with this problem for some time. Apparently, as has been the case previously, I also had a request in to my guides for some help with the matter. And in Tuesday's mail the answer, or at least part of it, arrived. A couple of weeks ago I took Ed's advice and contacted Sara Alexander from info in her bio on the AMT site. She is one of the people who was in the original "Jessica Lansing" group, and is kind enough to make available copies of transcripts from the early sessions. That is what arrived in the mail Tuesday. So far I have spent probably less than 2 hours with the material. It is as I expected - raw unedited transcripts. They are typed, some single- and some double-spaced, and are single-sided. When compressed, the sheets are about 1" thick, containing maybe 200-300 pages. They are loose, not bound or punched, and in order by date and numbered within each session. I have glanced through the entire set and read maybe 4 or 5 sessions. I'll offer a few comments based on my limited exposure so far. First, I would recommend this only to Scholars or those who have a strong Scholar influence. There is a lot of personal material present, some of the questions (and answers, for that matter) are rather arcane, and much of it is pretty dry reading. But there is also a fair amount of generic Michael present in some parts. Within the first 5 pages I discovered a direct contradiction of something in »Messages«.(§1) Whether this discrepancy is between actual sessions or was introduced as part of the process of producing the book, I can't say at this time. One other thing I noticed, again based on limited reading so far, is a lack of phrases such as, "We have told you before...", "We must remind you yet again...", etc. (there is sparing use of "Of course"). One other thing that makes me wonder just how much liberty Yarbro took when writing her 3 books is - while organizing many quotes from those books into a dataset for my own research I discovered one particular quote used in 2 places.(§2) Now, all of this taken together exposes the inaccuracy of information in Yarbro compared to that in the actual transcripts. It is disturbing to me that such extensive liberties were taken with the actual quotes; in my view they are the strongest draw of the entire series of Yarbro books. This leads me to hold the information in Yarbro in serious question, and potentially lays the groundwork for undermining the validity of what is there. It's too soon to tell, but the potential is there. I expect my further reading of the early sessions transcripts will help clarify the issue. During the last few days I have mentioned a couple of times that once something is validated (as best as can be from our perspective), I take the position that when something else comes along that contradicts it, one or the other needs to be refuted. And usually, as in politics, the incumbent has the advantage - it needs to be disproved by the challenger. In this case, the information in Yarbro was being challenged, and as now seems evident it may not withstand that challenge. Needless to say I am grateful for some very helpful guides. I intend to post more generalities as I learn them, and specific contradictions as they appear. Cheers, [--------------------<*>--------------------] §1 - §2 - --- M1 = »Messages From Michael« / Chelsea Quinn Yarbro In marking quoted material, the marks »text« represent italics. The following table shows nominal markings for each source - M1 = Heavily edited Michael »Other« === Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:12:37 EDT In a message dated 98-04-09 01:30:36 EDT, Mike Huttinger writes:
This is going to get a little weird but someone connected with the Montauk project claims they went back in time to get a sample of blood from Jesus. I can think of only one reason to do that and that would be to clone him.
Montauk?? Is that the secret base on Long Island famous for the Philadephia experiment, time travel, aliens and worm holes? That's just rubbish, Mike. If I remember correctly, the bogus report alleged that we were already making trips to the moon in 1962, and that we were colonizing Mars in the 70's. They also verified the existence of that "face" on Mars. Now I've always been intrigued by the idea of pyramids and a face-like structure on the red planet, but it's all been disproven with recent photographic evidence. I hadn't heard that there was mention of using time travel to clone Jesus Christ. Hmmm...despite it's hilarious implications, it at least sounds like great material for a good science fiction novel. Anyhow, thanks for the laughs....:-) Dave Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:42:16 EDT
Now, all of this taken together exposes the inaccuracy of information in
Dick, However, I've received some very good readings from a couple Michael channels, and after personally validating their findings to a certain degree, I can't deny that I wasn't impressed and enlightened by what they told me. So I'm still a believer, but I agree that the discrepencies are bothersome. Once again, if there was more cooperation between ALL the channels, perhaps the errors would diminish in the publication of information that sometimes contradicts what other channels have previously said. Dave Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:53:09 EDT What is the Montauk project? Time travel to clone Jesus, oh my. Mystic Girl Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:08:48 EDT In a message dated 4/4/98 7:19:29 PM, you wrote:
I experienced it as a bluish-silver globe with silvery energy radiating out from it.
I have had what feels like a similar experience. But, it is something I saw
in the people around me. It happened one day when I was in a particularly quiet
mood. And I noticed that the physical forms of people began to take on a two
dimensional quality. As if they were cardboard cutouts. This was due to the
incredible silvery light that was radiating from their bodies. It was an
incredibly beautiful sight, one that I can still call forth in any given
situation. This experience showed me that beyond this physical realm, we are so
much alike. Does anyone have an idea of what it might be that I see? Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:35:20 -0400 Shepherd, I don't have access to internet right now and I'm not sure where the site = is, but when you mentioned the Art Bell show, it got me thinking. There = is another radio talk show called The Edge of Reality, and the host's name = is something like Ken Dashow. I've listened to some of the shows and the = host seems genuinely interested in his guests. I know there is a web site = and he has mentioned that some of his guests were originally people that = had written comments to his site. Hey, give it a shot. Gina (Mnemosyne) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:59:24 EDT In a message dated 4/9/98 5:41:56 AM, you wrote:
"Immaculate Conception" really refers to Mary's conception, because she was born without original sin.
This is interesting. I wonder if it is a Biblical way of saying she had cycled-off and had no karma remaining. John Clarko Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:14:48 -0700 I think if anyone is looking for word for word accuracy of any of the channeling, they are not going to find it because it is not the nature of channeling to be that accurate. On a _good_ day they say 80% accuracy but that can fall much lower. What does that mean? It means there will be factual inaccuracies when the channel is tired, when there are belief systems in place that color the information ie. if the channel really believes something to be true, sometimes that will come through and sometimes what Michael is seeking to share may come through with greater or lesser clarity. The vocabulary a channel is comfortable with will color the information as we've seen; the early group was well-versed in the Gurdjieff teachings, so a lot of that terminology influenced the expressions. I've heard (so this is probably about five steps removed from the source :) and may be of dubious accuracy itself) that the original Michael channel when asked about printing the original transcripts as a greater whole, wasn't charmed with the idea partially because of the errors in the early channeling and the degree of accuracy. I think this is a great discussion to have. It brings us all back to our own ability to know and discern what is true and not true. If discernment is only based on accuracy of material, that creates a fairly vulnerable state because it is a sort of externally based discernment. For years people thought the world to be flat and just because they all agreed, didn't make that belief true. I've felt for a long time that I doubt Michael or any healthy spiritual information or system, is meant to make us dependent on others to tell us what the truth is. Whether they are channelers or a priest class or whatever. We are all of the Tao, the breath of the Tao enlivens all our bodies, our awareness is the Tao itself colored by our thoughts, habits, perceptions. There are times we turn to "external" teachers, yet what we know, how we learn and grow, our beingness is an inside job so to speak based on our own choices and understanding. I took a look at Barry's website which was very nice and speaks of enlightenment intensives. The tradition of personal experiences of openings to greater light go back and back weaving in one form or another through all the spiritual and religious traditions. One of the reasons for this is that one's personal awareness of who and what you are, the nature of the Tao, and the ability to know/sense/intuit/discern directly-- to simply be/do, becomes more clear. A lot of thought patterns, habits, limitations caused by belief systems and so on can fall away. When this happens even briefly, there can be enormous transformative effects. You can come to know for yourself directly.This cuts through a lot of the conjectures we often see on the list or sharings that may simply be personal opinion or even inaccurate information. Meanwhile in terms of accuracy of the early transcripts, or of any of the information, it's probably more useful to see what the overall thrust is or at least not to let this become lost in details. The system Michael shared was a system to help us understand ourselves and the world better. Why we are like we are, why others may be different. In general, it's clear that there is a beautiful structure that creates our inter-relationships. That we are never truly alone, but part of larger groups on every level until we realize ourselves as simply a Oneness expressing in all these different ways. That we have choice in how we are. The information was never meant to limit us to its expressions, rather it was meant to expand our vision and understanding, to enable us to find greater balance. Where understanding leaves off and fantasy begins _is_ the journey and how we answer that creates the cycles.... Best to all, Brin Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Hi Dick,
> Now, all of this taken together exposes the inaccuracy of information in
You know, it would be intersting to see how the people from the original "Jessica Lansing" group feel about the yarbro books. Do they feel that, despite the editing, the books depict the "essence" of the michael teachings? Did the editing for them, take away from the teachings overall? Perhaps another way of looking at it is that the discrepancies between the yabro books and the original transcripts just point to the need for personal validation. If you can validate the system for yourself, do little discrepancies really matter? Besides, there's _always_ been the problem of validation with the Michael material. If i recall the material in the yabro books correctly, it does say that most channeled material has a success rate of 85 percent, with Jessica Lansing having a success rate of 95 percent. That's still a pretty high failure rate (try using a voice recognition software with a 5 percent failure rate and you'll see what I mean.) Any direct contradictions you find could result from that failure rate rather than sloppy editing. I guess the overall message is that in the search for spiritual enlightenment, you can never take anything for granted!
--Kathy K. (not a scholar, but born into a family _full_ of them, both in essence role and profession.) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:00:34 EDT In a message dated 4/5/98 1:03:54 PM, you wrote:
So why is it we don't manifest what we desire to be in our lives?
Wouldn't you say it is because most are making these choices unconsciously. I feel you are right, we get to ask and create what we want in life. But, it can be difficult at times to be consciously aware of each choice we are making. Easier to fall back on habitual thinking, or comforting beliefs about reality. Thanks for your post Ken, Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:04:34 EDT In a message dated 98-04-09 15:58:18 EDT, PJ writes:
Does anyone have an idea of what it might be that I see?
Ok, first a question: Do you wear glasses? then clean them. Just kidding... Dave Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:23:04 -0400 PJ wrote:
> In a message dated 4/5/98 1:03:54 PM, you wrote:
Correcto mundo. The beliefs are comforting due primarily to their familiarity, but the results of those beliefs are usually discomforting, and most cannot see the connections between the comfort and the discomfort. This is part of what Don Juan Matus calls being a warrior. To stay constantly and consciously aware of where your head is at at all times, and to be able to make changes "immediately" as necessary. Some call it "practicing the presence", some call it "mindfulness". But whatever you call it it is usually difficult to keep from getting hoist on your karmic "petard". Especially if you're an engineer. <grin> :>)#
> Thanks for your post Ken,
You're muchly welcome. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:43:56 -0400 PJ wrote:
> In a message dated 4/4/98 7:19:29 PM, you wrote:
I think what you saw was the person's etheric body. A beautiful sight indeed. It is actually a physical phenomenon, but at a much higher vibration rate than our flesh and blood physical body. This etheric body holds the pattern for the perfection of our physical bodies. It is behind the "phantom limb" experience of amputees, and the ghosts of cut leaf parts seen in kirlian photography. For some folks this light is closely shaped around the physical body, and for others it may be shaped like an egg around the physical body. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:43:27 EDT In a message dated 4/8/98 5:48:51 PM, Jeanne wrote:
> I have been ordering books and tapes directly from whichever "Author/Channel"
It's always helpful to ask for Michael books you don't see on the shelf whenever you're in a bookstore. You can order them, of course, but just suggesting that they be carried is helpful, too. Of course, authors make far more per book on those they sell directly. I can also offer discounts on Summerjoy Press books that you can't get from bookstores. All the best, Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:43:47 EDT
According to Shepherd Hoodwin in "Journey of a Soul", it is possible to
Outside of sliding, and walk-ins choosing new overleaves, it is very rare in my experience for people to change overleaves during a lifetime, although it can be done with strong focused intention. Our chosen overleaves can usually serve us well in a variety of situations if we are in the positive poles. Also, we can temporarily pull in other overleaf energies as needs arise. JJ wrote:
One alternative just occur to me: How about asking to advertise
That's a great idea. I've already contacted a couple about exchanging links (no answer). Banners would definitely cost money, but it might be reasonable. This is a good afternoon research project for me. Thanks. Dave wrote:
most of the channelers I've seen appear to have a lone bull attitude of "My reading's right and yours is wrong."
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I've been working for a long time to fully let go of this tendency in myself. It recently occurred to me that it's really understandable that channels might take this attitude as a defense--every channel and psychic constantly puts him/herself out on a limb. And with several channels working with the same teachings, we are especially vulnerable. It is also true that we each have at least slightly different takes on the teachings, and have some strong opinions about what is true. It takes some conscious effort to remain open-minded and respectful of everyone's work, even if we don't fully agree. I try to take the approach of "This is what I got" rather than "This is what is right." If someone can't validate something I got, I discuss it, seeking to learn what his picture of that trait is. By helping him expand his definition of what a trait could look like, it might help him validate. If he still feels it's wrong after a period of self-validation, I go back to Michael and ask for a double-check. Sometimes, they stand behind the earlier channeling and explain why it might look like something else, and sometimes they make a correction. It is still up to the person to decide what he feels is right. Regarding Dick's comments on reading transcripts from the first Michael group: The true history of the "Yarbro group" is far different from what is presented in her books. I hint at this in "Journey" when I say that the story is more fictionalized than one might think (although the channeling is not). I am still piecing together the complete picture, but I've learned a lot from conversations with Sarah Chambers (heavily fictionalized as "Jessica Lansing" in Yarbro) and some others who know Yarbro and have attended her meetings. In a nutshell: Yarbro met Sarah after the "big group" had disbanded (maybe 1977) and Sarah was channeling only occasionally for sporadic individuals and small groups. Apparently, after attending a few of Sarah's sessions (and buying the rights to her transcripts), Yarbro started channeling herself and later formed her own group, which is not the "original group" as she implies it is. Yarbro does not want it widely known that she channels, so I respected this and kept it out of "Journey." I think that Messages has a mix of Sarah and Yarbro's channeling, and More Messages has less of Sarah's. There isn't any of her material in the 3rd and 4th books, AFAIK. Also, there were two others who sometimes channeled when Sarah did, and the transcripts don't say who channeled what. There were other channels and satellite groups that branched off from Yarbro's, as well. Best, Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:58:00 -0700 Somebody mentioned that they knew that I'd seen my essence and I wondered if I'd ever told you all this story before, but I don't think I have. Back around March of 1995 I asked Essence to show me how it is that me and my essence-mate (my EM for short) were working together on higher planes because we were so telepathically, spiritually, and empathically connected and it really blew me away. In a series of dreams over the course of 4 or 5 nights I was shown some strange things that my mind couldn't comprehend very well. I would find myself detached, watching myself as a light-form, a glowing, golden-white light inside of a "light-ship," for lack of a better term, with many others who looked like myself, just these beautiful, golden-white light forms, but I recognized my EM closest to me there. We were working together on a project of focusing some kind of energy into form and sending it down to the Earth. Later I interpreted the light-ship to be our entity (2nd entity) and it was the place where I could see myself in relationship to other essences around me, like cadences, but since I was not focused on that aspect at the time, I didn't recognize it like that until later. A couple months later I think, I had a channeling session and asked Michael about those dreams and they said I was seeing myself on the 6th dimension. That made sense--the 6th dimension is the upper astral plane, the place where we reunite with our entities! Also, I've read from other sources that the 6th dimension is about form. It's where form is created. So, my EM and I were working on some project with the Earth itself--bringing in forms from the 6th dimension. Perhaps this is the way we all manifest--by our essences creating form on the 6th dimension, and when we are in alignment with essence, we allow the form to come into our physical reality. I know some people are going, "But you aren't reunited with your entity yet, or you wouldn't be here right?" But that is linear thinking. Remember that on higher dimensions, time doesn't exist the way it does here, so we are and we aren't reunited with our entities already. It's a matter of grasping multidimensionality. But if you don't buy it, that's OK too, I'm not trying to force anything down anyone's throat. Just take it as being true for me. Interestingly, the realization that I was creating form and bringing it down to Earth even assisted my understanding of why I work in the environmental field, but I only realized it recently. I thought I'd have to change my job because it wasn't spiritual enough. There was a belief I didn't know I had and when I realized it, I changed it! I thought I had to do something unique and esoteric to really be spiritually my true self, but that wasn't really it--my presence here, the energy I bring into the framework of my job, that is where I'm really working in assisting the Earth in this transitional time. I had grappled with that a long time, thinking I had to make my job be something more "spiritual," but then I realized it's not so much what you do, but the presence you bring to your work, that makes it spiritual. My work supports this allowing of energy, as it's conducive to the overall concept and mission of the agency I work for (which, incidentally, if you're wondering, is the California Air Resources Board.) Well I hope I didn't get too off the topic! :^) -- Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:32:54 EDT I believe the huge success of books like "Conversations with God" and "Celestine P." clearly shows that there is a thriving market for new age books. In other words, writing a New Age best-seller is not an impossibility. Perhaps what Shepherd needs to do is analyze why these two works in particular seemed to excite the pulse of the masses. Once that research is completed, he could then muster his creative powers into either writing a Michael inspired book that's specifically designed to appeal to the masses, or pen something similar to "Conversations" or "Celestine," but with his own personal stamp. Obviously, the objective here would be to write something original, yet marketable on all levels that would somehow thrust him into recognition. This would then allow his previous works to ride on the coat tails of his new found success. I know I'm possibly oversimplifying this, but does every endeavor have to be arduous and complicated? Perhaps it's all a simple matter of belief. Dave Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:18:37 -0600 Someone said, "if there was more cooperation between ALL the channels..." From time to time, I have allowed this to really disappoint me. But you know, these folks are human beings with their own karmas and agreements to work out, on the same journey as the rest of us. It wouldn't hurt to cut them a bit of slack, and support them in the ways we know how, as they work to resolve interpersonal and personal issues. Gloria Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:21:31 -0500 I would like some input from other students (not channels) on the idea of some of us putting together an online newsletter. I've thought a lot about this and I think it's a good idea whose time has come. I don't think that any of our channels should be involved. This should be a (non-channeling) student enterprise. Our channels have enough to do as it is. I feel that it could be set up with the basics of the Michael Teachings explained first (i.e., Role, Overleaves, the purpose being for the individual to use this information to better understand and deal with his/her own life). Since most of our Channels do put some channeling on their Websites, I thought we might ask one per month to offer something for the Newsletter. The choice of whether to do it and what to offer would of course be theirs, but it would give newcomers to the Michael Teachings a little of the flavor of the individual channels. There could also be short articles by Students that would be attractive and pertinent to all of the other students. (We might even bribe Dave to do some little piece, if we offered him cookies and ice cream and didn't ask him to get off from the sofa. LOL.) We could also have a review of one of the Michael Books and advise of the level of the book (i.e., Newbie, Advanced Student, Old Scholar, etc.). We could do the same with the tapes. And finally we could list any activities, conferences, meetings, that are happening during that month and give particulars (location, name of person or group holding the meeting, time, date and fee if there is one). And we could end with the E-Mail addresses of pertinent links, websites, etcetera. And most importantly Lori's Website. I know Jody offered to help and I'm sure some of the other students would find an interest and outlet here. If need be I have the address of a Website Creator who offers free (very attractive) website pages (up to 6 pages), if it would be necessary to have one. And that is something I know nothing about. But the important thing is that I think it should be done by Students. I think the Michaels would feel that this is fair. Our contribution to the Teachings would be getting the word out, and frankly I am concerned for all of those who are seeking and not finding this information. Some people (like me) did not feel a strong pull to "Seth" and for myself many of the other Channelled Entities invoke to much religion into their messages. Would like feedback please. You need not contact me on the list. I really think it is time (and we'll sure need some good Scholars to do Reviews if we get this up and running). Love, Laughter and Stop the Presses!!! Jeanne Holley 5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination; Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:39:02 -0500 Dick, While Yarbro may have taken liberties with the channelings I feel from all of the multitudes of channelings that have been done since then, that the basic premises are probably intact. I can't speak for you and of course I have much more limited experience of the Channels, but when someone is really channeling "The Michaels" I get a flavor that is always the same, even though some of the dialogue differs from Channel to Channel due to speech and thought patterns. It is a rare author who does not take liberties (even non-fiction writers) with their material. Since I'm going to have a channeling done in two weeks, if you have anything basic that you want verified, send it to me and I'll ask the Michaels. Of course it will come through a Channel, so you will have to validate any discrepancies. (If you knew how long I've waited to say that to one of my favorite scholars! LOL). Love & Laughter :-)) Jeanne Holley 5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination; Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:18:47 UT <assorted snips> :but the point I'm trying to make is that I'm really not seeing enough collaboration between the Michael channels. (Dave) This leads me to hold the information in Yarbro in serious question, and potentially lays the groundwork for undermining the validity of what is there. It's too soon to tell, but the potential is there . . . During the last few days I have mentioned a couple of times that once something is validated (as best as can be from our perspective), I take the position that when something else comes along that contradicts it, one or the other needs to be refuted. (Dick) In my studies of the Michael material , I have kept two concepts firmly in mind: First, that even the most accurate channel is going to be "wrong" 15-20 percent of the time, for many reasons. Second, they are translating information that was not originally in English or, indeed, in human language. Some of the concepts are not easily reduced to words or three dimensions, so what we get is a rough approximation, most likely a metaphor. Zen koans might be the same sort of thing; the master is trying to get the student to stop thinking linearly so the student can grasp what is a non-linear concept. In my last session, Michael told me that they are "spiritual librarians," that they are just looking up information for us and passing it along. It seems to me very likely that the information they find for a particular individual might be tailored somehow by how that individual requests the information and perhaps even who the individual asking the question is. (Shepherd says in "Journey" that scholars seem to "draw" more information out of him.) Taking the library analogy even farther, perhaps Michael goes to different sources for each asker or each channeler. We're told over and over that the Tao is forever creating itself, ever in a state of flux - perhaps the information itself changes? Michael is not all that much beyond us, as the various planes go; I doubt that an entity above the causal plane could even communicate with us directly. We're like undergrads being taught by a PhD candidate TA, perhaps; they know a lot more than we do, but they don't necessarily have all the answers. What I'm getting at here is that I don't believe that there is ONE TRUTH out there - or if there is, Michael may not be able to convey it to us. And I'm absolutely sure that even if there was and they could, we humans could not grasp it. IMHO the best we can do is take the teachings, apply them to our own lives and see what makes sense, what helps us grow and learn and get closer to being capable of agape, and not "fress" too much about inconsistencies (could quote Voltaire here but won't) or details. If there is an inconsistency between two channelings, don't spend your life arguing about whether the sandal or the gourd is the path (20 points for recognizing my witty movie reference here); take the one that resonates for you, that helps you grow, and go with it. PS I don't see the point of cloning Jesus. They'd just get the physical body, not the soul, dontcha think? --------<--{@ Jody ______________________________________________________________
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:38:54 -0700
> I would not doubt this is possible...but my question is...why would Jesus
Robin, Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:37:22 -0500 Brin, Thank you. That is such a clear explanation of what we all know and tend to forget. For many of us, it is difficult to express these thoughts with the kind of clarity you have used. I'm going to print this out and put it with Gloria's "Essence" piece and Ken Broom's "Power" piece. I've "thunk" it, just couldn't say it! Love Jeanne Holley Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:44:47 -0700 Hi all, Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 03:20:40 UT When we're not in bodies, we are pure energy, according to Michael Newton's "Journey of Souls". Some people can see this on the physical plane; sounds like you're one of them (cool!). The healer Barbara Brennan writes about developing your ability to see and work with what she calls the "human energy field" in "Hands of Light." I envy you. I only saw this once and it was an "internal" seeing. --------<--{@ Jody In a message dated 4/4/98 7:19:29 PM, PJ wrote:
<<I experienced it as a bluish-silver globe with silvery energy radiating out from it.>>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:14:03 -0700 Chris wrote:
> Yes, I would like to hear more about great figures from history, and what
There was discussion here about Hitler and that era on this list I
believe. Search the archives. Yes, they are back again. Barbara Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:30:04 EDT [snip]
> ....I would suppose this was/is something Jesus agreed was acceptable. (Just some thoughts!)
I should have said....acceptable to him that they clone him. Also...why was
the future person trying to assassinate him? In an attempt to re-write history?
And, do you know what the purpose would be of cloning him then? As someone else
said, it would only produce a look-alike body....would not have the soul of
Jesus in it. Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:46:32 EDT In a message dated 98-04-10 01:08:14 EDT, Gloria writes:
From time to time, I have allowed this to really disappoint me. But you
I think most people on this list DO support them. Personally, I have collected most of the Michael books currently in print, and have hired the services of 3 different channels. But the point I was trying to make is that the Michael collective, the teachings as a whole, would be better served if the many channels would work together in an effort to pool their resources and aspire towards attaining a singular truth. Call it a democratic-like commitee, where the channels could strive to work together, sharing information (new and old), then putting their heads together, giving group validation to some of the more difficult concepts. In terms of cutting them some slack, I haven't tied any of them to a pole and stuffed their innards full of tofu until they burst, so what's the problem? ;-p Dave - A Lint Rights Activist. Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:54:45 +0800 With the recent interest in the man Jesus, the cloning of whom, etc. I thought this particular humor might be suitable here... =======================================
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 03:44:53 EDT In a message dated 98-04-10 02:17:18 EDT, Jody writes:
IMHO the best we can do is take the teachings, apply them to our own lives
When I made the comment about collaboration, I had a feeling this very same response would appear, probably because I largely agree with it; however, my bone of contention is not a personal gripe really, but more-or-less a concern that these tiny discrepencies might hurt the teachings as a whole. Recently, there's been a discussion of channelers dealing with the economic difficulties of publishing books, and eeking out a living. I would think that since most successful enterprises rely on the credibility of its product, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to realize that even infinitestimal discrepencies could undermine this credibility, and play a f |
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