Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:41:17 -0800
Subject: Re: Michael Math (1998-12/1174+5)

/ From: Kenneth Broom
/ Subject: Re: "Michael Math" vs. "ET and TC" (1998-12/1162)
/ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:41:03 -0500
/
/ Dick Hein wrote:
/ <
/ < [General confusion about what he would now call the "new" Michael
/ < Math]
/
/ There is an INFLUENCE for "each" of the 11 Overleaves and 5 casting
/ numbers. The idea here is to combine all of the overleaf and casting
/ data for one fragment, and present the percentage of Exalted, percentage
/ of Ordinal, and percentage of Neutral as a way of looking at both
/ Overleaves and Casting combined for that fragment.

/ There is an AXIS for "each" of the 11 Overleaves and 5 casting numbers.
/ The idea here is to combine all of your overleaf and casting data for
/ one fragment, and present the percentage of Inspiration, percentage of
/ Expression, percentage of Action, and percentage of Assimilation as a
/ way of looking at both Overleaves and Casting combined for that one
/ fragment.

I think I have run across this before, and didn't think much of it then and still don't. IMO it is stretching Michael Math to the extreme, far beyond what is in »Journey« and possibly beyond what is in Yarbro. To cite some specifics (from Barbara Taylor's page) - Dragon1 (primary CNF) and Dragon2 (secondary CNF) are given equal weight as are Center and Trap (Part). This does not compute. Also Casting is given equal weight to Essence Twin, which in the Michael Math chapter of »More Messages« is not even mentioned WRT numbers. And all of these are given equal weight with each other, as well as two body types and two types of imprinting. So something called "Other Imprinting" is given the same weight as Casting?(§1) I think this math should be named for whoever dreamed it up, but not for Michael.

/ > This information would be redundant as it can be derived from other
/ > information (the same can be said for INFLUENCE). IMO it is a waste
/ > of field space to have redundant and/or derived information.
/
/ I desire to make this as easy as possible for people to view this data
/ in the Overleaf Database. Most people are notoriously prone to small
/ arithmetic mistakes. There are 7 x 26 = 182 arithmetic calculations
/ involved in deriving the resultant 14 totals and the percentages. My
/ secondary essence is doing this to "serve" this database and its users,
/ not to have the users increase their need to derive stuff. Those who
/ want to can still derive their own Michael Math data.

All my comments were made not considering (having not remembered) the new Michael Math.

/ > | I have a little spreadsheet program for figuring out the Michael
/ > | Math Stuff. I can do it for anyone who doesn't have their own
/ > | Michael Math numbers.
/ >
/ > To compute one's position within Cadence, Cadence position within
/ > Greater Cadence, and Greater Cadence position within Role in Entity
/ > one needs what I call their "raw number". This is the number of the
/ > fragment within its Role in the Entity. It has been my experience
/ > that many students do not know their raw number.
/
/ Any missing numbers are not included in their INFLUENCE and AXIS
/ calculations.

Essentially apples and oranges per my comment above.

/ > I would place SOUL AGE before SOUL LEVEL.
/
/ When speaking of Soul Age and Essence, I first heard it spoken as "Fifth
/ Level Old Artisan" with level before age. It falls more trippingly off
/ the tongue. plus it really is unimportant which comes first.

I was thinking hierarchically.

/ > What is SECONDARY ESSENCE? Is that not one's ET? If so, it is a
/ > redundant field. If not, what is it?
/
/ It can "also" be strong childhood conditioning, or strong past life
/ conditioning.

To my knowledge this is not "standard" Michael.

/ I also removed the Male/Female percentage field and the Energy field,
/ since there was very little energy for having those fields. There was
/ much much more energy for including the Michael Math fields.

Male/Female (focused/creative) energy percentage and frequency are "standard" Michael; the "new" math is not.

---

| From: Kenneth Broom
| Subject: Michael Math
| Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:04:46 -0500
|
| Dear Jeanne , et al,
|
| Maybe this will help clear up some of your frustrations about Michael
| Math. Please also check Barbara Taylor's web pages about Michael Math
| at "http://www.ittime.com/mmath1.htm"
|
| [Deleted]

This makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

Cheers,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.

[----------------------------------------]

§1 -

Each fragment occupies a unique position in the casting of its
entity, and that position is reflected in each and every life that
the fragment leads. Whether the fragment operates in essence or
simply opts for false personality, there is a constant undercurrent
of energy that is the product of the fragment's position in casting
that is as powerful or even more powerful than role in essence.
[M2.193]

All ensouled species on the physical plane ... are defined by role
in Essence and position in casting, which supersedes all other
considerations. [M3.204]

Only the Role in Essence and the position in casting remain from
life to life, and in terms of perceptions on the higher planes,
those two aspects of fragmentation are the validity of the fragment.
[M3.226]

---

M2 = »More Messages From Michael« / Chelsea Quinn Yarbro (OOP)
M3 = »Michael's People« / Chelsea Quinn Yarbro (OOP)

In marking quoted material, the marks »text« represent italics.
They will usually surround those portions containing the lesser
amount of material. Occasionally they will demark italicized
material within the quote.

The following table shows nominal markings for each title -

M2 = Michael »Other«
M3 = Michael »Other«

===

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:17:25 -0500
Subject: "Standard" Michael and "New" Michael

per Kenneth:
------------
There is nothing "Standard" about the Michael Teachings. There is nothing "New" about the Michael Teachings. The Michael Teachings are alive and constantly evolving. They are not etched in anything except the minds of the fragments who choose to etch them. Due to the differences between the quantities and the intensities of individual fragment experiences their points of view and comprehensions can differ greatly.

per Michael:
------------
"The uses to which individual fragments put our teachings is totally up to them, and to what each individually "feels" to be good work. Our teachings are not written in stone. And to paraphrase Kenneth: the Universe is infinitely flexible.

"Now, regarding individual discomfort, we suggest that the discomforted ones seek the source of their discomfort from a point-of-view within their own persona. Discomfort usually derives from an inability to integrate "apparently" contradictory ideas. Remember the six blind men and the elephant."

'Nuff said.

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:12:05 -0800
Subject: re: "Standard" Michael and "New" Michael

Ok here's another point of confusion:
:)

I was asking Michael one day, while mulling over why it is that so many different people have so many different ways of looking at casting positions. Why aren't they consistent, I thought?

Michael plunked this idea in my head:

All the systems out there now are looking at casting in a sort of 2-D or 3-D Cartesian coordinate system. They said if we were to use a spherical/polar coordinate system, though not entirely accurate, it would make casting look a lot more sensible.

And that's all I got. Maybe you mathematicians or computer programmers out there could try something like that. I seem to have forgotten spherical/polar coordinate systems because of post-traumatic stress from Calculus and Differential Equations in the late '80's.... ;-p

Love,
Lori :^)

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:57:59 +0000
Subject: re: That fourth monad

John C wrote:

> The fourth internal monad is of interest to quite few people on this
> list, including me. (I'm 41.) If you have any more information about
> the whats and whys of those peaks and valleys, it would be greatly
> appreciated here.

> A non Michael channel told me to meditate and I think they
> were encouraging me to let go of my false personality effort to
> divert me with projects and interests that are not remotely
> connected with my true work.

Yeh, Michael suggests I meditate every day. Through Sarah C. they’ve told me a bit about what my life task is (accumulating knowledge for the fun of it, and teaching it “disguised as play”). It’s apparently about bringing sage energy into my Mature Scholar life -- to do with being at the 5th level of the cycle, I guess. But I still can’t imagine how I’m going to be doing that in a way that will pay the mortgage, so I need a bit more help on this one. Maybe it’s to do with becoming a father in a few years...sounds like my Scholar ET will probably be incarnating as one of our kids.

B a r r y
____________
Mature Scholar

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:59:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Michael Math

Jeanne H wrote:

> Dear Kenneth,
>
> Thank you very much. Are you a math professor?

Dear Lady Jeanne,

No, not a math professor... just a 59th Level Old Engineer in the Mathematics Mode, with a Goal of Retirement, in the Analysis Mode, the Attitude of a Metaphysicist, centered in the kicked back part of middle age, with a chief feature of doing what I wanna do. :>)#

If you go back to the Overleaf Database you'll find that I eased your Michael Math burden considerably. Again thanks to Brin. Just follow the instructions.

I also condensed some of the fields to make space for the Michael Math. It's much more amenable to data searches now, as well as preserving data. There's also space for the name of the data entry person, and for the channeler.

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:28:37 -0500
Subject: Update: The Overleaf Database

To all of you Michael Listers, and others, who helped with the development of the Overleaf Database, by contributing your overleaves, suggestions, and questions:

I send you my heart-felt gratitude. This version is about 99% complete. The last modification, just put up about 30 minutes ago, is the next to last modification to this version of the Overleaf Database.

1) I have combined the first name and middle name fields.

2) I have combined the City and State of Birth fields.

3) I have added definitions and directions to make the Michael Math section much much easier.

4) I have added two fields for the data entry person's name, and for the channeler's name.

5) I have replaced the Male/Female and Energy fields.

Changes were made not just to allow for more data, but also to allow queries and statistics to be made easier and better.

There may be some small tweaks made at the end of this week if someone makes a super good suggestion, but otherwise the way it is now is the way it will be until FlashBase increases its field limit.

I'd suggest that the aforementioned "Beta Testers" wait until this coming weekend (Saturday Morning) before re-entering/changing their data.

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:03:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Jeanne's Math

----------
Kathy wrote:

> Jeanne,
>
> Pretty cool, eh? Your math is smeared all over the internet.

Do you suppose I could become as famous as Linda Loveless? Maybe on the Astral Plane?

> I looked over the whole thing, gave up and decided it all meant that you were
> perfectly wonderful and you're at least a 9+ on Michael's 1-10 scale for
> those of us that are numerically challenged. [I'd give you a ten but I
> figured you'd want room for improvement]. :D

After I have validated your information, I'll get back to you. ROFL

> My biggest fear? J.P.'s new michael math will involve STORY
> PROBLEMS..."2 sages plan to meet on the astral at 9pm. One is an old
> soul with a CF of stubborness in the 2nd position of the 3rd entity of
> Cadre 2 who resides in Portland, Oregon. The other is a mature soul
> working out of the negative pole of growth with unknown cadre
> positioning, who is traveling at 50mph in an westerly direction on a
> Greyhound bus out of Norfolk, Virgina. Who arrives first and what is
> each fragment's average speed of travel?"... Traditionally, that's when
> I drop the course and head for happy hour.

But you forgot to tell me what the casting number was of the first Sage. How can I figure it out if you don't give me the facts Ma'am, just the facts!

> Love, Kathy [1:30am CST]
> ::::::currently adding insomnia to my list of life choices ::::::

Sorry about the insomnia. Have you considered counting Scholars???? And to Dick and Ken.....what do you mean Sages drive you crazy? We take you seriously, honest! :-)))))) (I'm not wearing a beard, Ken.)

Love and Laughter and all that jazz..

Jeanne H

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 00:34:28 UT
Subject: RE: Michael Math Story Problems

"2 sages plan to meet on the astral at 9pm. One is an old soul with a CF of stubborness in the 2nd position of the 3rd entity of Cadre 2 who resides in Portland, Oregon. The other is a mature soul working out of the negative pole of growth with unknown cadre positioning, who is traveling at 50mph in an westerly direction on a Greyhound bus out of Norfolk, Virgina. Who arrives first and what is each fragment's average speed of travel?"

Thanks Kathy - I hooted out loud!

-------------<-- {@ Jody

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:30:58 -0800
Subject: Jeanne's Math

> One is an old soul with a CF of stubborness in the 2nd position
> of the 3rd entity of Cadre 2 who resides in Portland, Oregon.

I thought the idea of story Michael Math was pretty funny. What a creative idea. Is this a mere coincidence? You missed me by one fragment in your story. I am in the one position, 3RD entity of the second cadre.

Mike H.

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:35:41 +0200
Subject: RE: RE: Michael Math Story Problems

this is all just to much for me I don't even know if I'm a sage or artisan or what let alone what entity or Cadre. I think that this list is just to much for my small brain (not mind as the is open) to handle.

Love and light

Carla

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:43:14 -0800
Subject: Re: "Standard" Michael and "New" Michael (1998-12/1182)

| From: Kenneth Broom
| Subject: "Standard" Michael and "New" Michael
| Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:17:25 -0500
|
| per Kenneth:
| ------------
| There is nothing "Standard" about the Michael Teachings.

OK, if I have to spell it out - "Standard" Michael is what is documented in published material (books) channeled by reliable channels and accuracy double-checked for publication.

| There is nothing "New" about the Michael Teachings.

Technically correct. There is, however, material that is supposedly from Michael ("new" material) that does not correspond well with established/ standard/traditional material (as described above). It occurs to me that we visited this general area a few weeks ago when certain aspects of karma resolution were discussed quite thoroughly.

| The Michael Teachings are alive and constantly evolving.

Of course they are, but that doesn't mean everything from non-published channels carries the same weight as traditional (is that word better?) material.

| They are not etched in anything except the minds of the fragments who
| choose to etch them.

Who said anything about etching? But without a certain degree of stability, where would the teachings be if they embraced every half-baked idea some alleged channeler brought forth?

| Due to the differences between the quantities and the intensities of
| individual fragment experiences their points of view and comprehensions
| can differ greatly.

Of course they can, and do.

| per Michael: [as channeled by Kenneth]
| ------------
| "The uses to which individual fragments put our teachings is totally up
| to them, and to what each individually "feels" to be good work. Our
| teachings are not written in stone. And to paraphrase Kenneth: the
| Universe is infinitely flexible.
|
| "Now, regarding individual discomfort, we suggest that the discomforted
| ones seek the source of their discomfort from a point-of-view within
| their own persona. Discomfort usually derives from an inability to
| integrate "apparently" contradictory ideas. Remember the six blind men
| and the elephant."

At this point I maintain my position WRT so-called "secondary essence" and Michael Math as shown on Barbara Taylor's page.

| 'Nuff said.

Indeed.

Cheers, Dick
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:45:14 +0000
Subject: Re: "Standard" Michael and "New" Michael

What is, is, and has always been. Nothing has changed. What changes is our perception. Take the statement, "The dog is red." As a child, you probably would have taken that to mean the dog is red in color. Depending on your perspective, and the context of the statement, you may take that to mean today, the dog is communist. And if you had heard, rather than read it, you may have assumed, "The dog is read." Which really doesn't make any sense when taken out of context, but in the context of a dialogue may be completely valid and mean something totally different.

I believe it is commonly accepted that the channels, as they develop in personal understanding of the material and their ability to be a clear channel, become open to channel "new" information. As they become adept, they begin to make intuitive leaps. I believe it is also not commonly thought of or accepted that as channels think they are developing in personal understanding, but are in fact going off on their own tangent, their channeling becomes muddier, and they add more and more of their own stuff.

Which brings us back to personal validation. In essence (from Webster's, not the Michael glossary), what this all boils down to is that the true student must undertake making him/herself a clear channel in order to receive information that is appropriate and valid for him/herself.

So sayeth the neutral scholar!

John

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:45:14 +0000
Subject: Re: Michael Math Story Problems

Carla,

Don't sweat the small stuff. There are 250 plus subscribers to this list, and all are at different levels of understanding in relation to the Michael teachings. Take it one step at a time, and don't even try to understand the math. If the people that have been involved in the teachings for a number of years can't agree on what is correct in regards to the math, how can you hope to even begin to understand at this point in time?

Visit the web sites and read a couple of books. Concentrate on developing an understanding of the terminology and overleaves. After you have a grasp on that, make an attempt to discern what your own overleaves are. Then have your overleaves channeled. Compare what you came up with to what the channel provided, and validate for yourself what your overleaves are. That should give you a solid basis from where you can do some further investigation into overleaves. Pay particular attention to your own positive and negative poles. Then begin trying to figure out the overleaves of people you have interactions with on a regular basis. Examine your relationships in light of the overleaves, and it should shed a whole lot of light on how you interact with other people, and why they act in ways contrary to how you formerly thought they should. It really helps break down the walls of judgement and predisposition towards others.

After you have done all of that, then take a look at some of this more advanced stuff. Trying to understand the abstractions of the math won't mean anything until you have a solid understanding of the basics.

John

> this is all just to much for me I don't even know if I'm a sage or
> artisan or what let alone what entity or Cadre. I think that this list
> is just to much for my small brain (not mind as the is open) to handle.
>
> Love and light
>
> Carla

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:35:41 EST
Subject: Fwd: [m-t..] Update: The Overleaf Database

Sorry, I sent this to ken but not the list:

dear Ken -- IMHO one thing which would greatly improve the database would be to pare down much of the excessive width of the fields to reduce the amount of scrolling. This means a lot of abbreviating the headings, changing Male and Female to M and F, Alive or not to, say __/NI, dates to number form, etc.

Could you do something like this, technically:


        Overleaves (R = Role, G = Goal, M = Mode, A = Attitude, CF= Chief Feature, 2CF = Secondary CF C= Center, P = Part)

        R               G                 M             A                   CF               2CF         C
P
        Sch         Gro         Obs         Ske         SDep         SDes         Int         Mov


If Flashbase would let you set up a multiple-line heading as above, then you could greatly narrow the necessary width of the fields as below, if you use abbreviations as I have.

I would do everything possible to squeeze out every possible bit of excessive width because it makes the resulting layout much easier to view and read.

Thanks for your wotrk in putting this together!

Also: I think this is important. We need some way to keep the Flashbase URL readily available in the list so it frequently appears. As it is, it only now appears in the original posts of a couple of weeks ago. As that recedes into the archives they'll be for all practical purposes lost, and unless people make frequent posts about the database, it will tend to be forgotten except by people who have been there and new people won't know about it at all.

I agree with Dick in being not enthusiastic about incorporating Barbara Taylor's form of numerical representation of axis weighting. It seems to me like excess "theory". I'd rather see M/F energy, Frequency, and a blank field that the person could fill with a certain number of characters' worth of comments. In fact, maybe the last field at the right could be a relatively big field left open for comments.

All the best, Ed

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:32:05 -0500
Subject: [Fwd: [m-t..] Update: The Overleaf Database]

Meta Syn wrote:

> dear Ken -- IMHO one thing which would greatly improve the database would be
> to pare down much of the excessive width of the fields to reduce the amount of
> scrolling. This means a lot of abbreviating the headings, changing Male and
> Female to M and F, Alive or not to, say __/NI, dates to number form, etc.
>
> Could you do something like this, technically: /.../

Technically... yes.

> If Flashbase would let you set up a multiple-line heading as above, then you
> could greatly narrow the necessary width of the fields as below, if you use
> abbreviations as I have.

> I would do everything possible to squeeze out every possible bit of excessive
> width because it makes the resulting layout much easier to view and read.

I fully understand and appreciate what you're saying, however if I do what you suggest the reports would be very difficult for the uneducated to read and understand.

The record-by-record listing that I think you've been looking at is a normal database listing, and your reaction to it is the same as mine was about 38 years ago: "This thing is just to wide." Yeah, I've been doing this stuff for a while now. However... the value of a database to its users is only marginally in this rough database listing. The majority of the value is in the selective querying of the data and in the clarity and flexibility of the reports that can be generated. This full listing is not intended to be the primary means of viewing the data.

When next you access the Overleaf Database pick a record and choose the "VIEW" option at the extreme left of the screen. That will send you to the single record report. It's a lot more readable and better looking than the listing.

Another thing you can do from the database listing is to click on "Response Statistics" from the menu at the top of the listings page. This will take you to a very simple and long page of counts and percentages of all multiple choice results, grouped in sections. They expect to also have histograms when they finish this page. It's still under construction.

A third thing that can be done from the listings page is to click on "Search Responses" and choose what combinations of field responses you'd like the database engine to select for you. The "number" of matching records will be shown along with the matching records themselves. Now, if you click on "Response Statistics" you should get that statistics report just on the selected records, however as I said that page is still under construction, and only reports on the full database.

Please check this stuff out a little bit, and let me know what you think.

None of this is as sophisticated as I'd like it to be, but it's the best Web Database engine I can find right now.

OK... getting back to your comments about shortening the field widths as much as possible: This produces really lousy looking reports. Especially for newbies not used to the suggested shorthand. Plus using the full choices makes it easier for the newbies to learn the Michael Teachings, and the Overleaves, and the jargon.

> Thanks for your wotrk in putting this together!

You're very welcome. I enjoy wotrking(sic) on this project. :>)#

> Also: I think this is important. We need some way to keep the Flashbase URL
> readily available in the list so it frequently appears. As it is, it only now
> appears in the original posts of a couple of weeks ago. As that recedes into
> the archives they'll be for all practical purposes lost, and unless people
> make frequent posts about the database, it will tend to be forgotten except by
> people who have been there and new people won't know about it at all.

I agree with you. You are aboslutely(my sic) correct. Something like the little search box at the bottom of each week's postings. I suggest you email Lori about this.

> I agree with Dick in being not enthusiastic about incorporating Barbara
> Taylor's form of numerical representation of axis weighting. It seems to me
> like excess "theory". I'd rather see M/F energy, Frequency, and a blank field
> that the person could fill with a certain number of characters' worth of
> comments. In fact, maybe the last field at the right could be a relatively
> big field left open for comments.

The Michael Math stuff is of great value in counseling and fascinates me personally, and many other people, so it stays. By way of a little more explanation, Michael Math (a non descriptive name at best) is very similar to the elements and qualities in astrology. The latter give an evaluation of the overall horoscope. The MM gives an overall picture of the Overleaves. Maybe I should change the name from "Michael Math" to just "INFLUENCE and AXES." I think I'll do that.

The M/F Energy and Frequency are already back in. I wanted to make it easily searchable and reportable, so I stratified the choices by 5's instead of 1's.

I'm still thinking about the blank field. It's been suggested before, but thanks for bringing it up again. A long text field formats itself weirdly in the full listing, making the field height very high.

Thanks much for your input, and

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:46:39 EST
Subject: Re: [m-t..] Update: The Overleaf Database 2

Dear Ken -- Thanks for your answer. I will go check out these other ways to use the data when I get off of AOL.

I disagree on one point. I still think that if you abbreviate overleaves (and you might be able to explain them above) the benefit to the already knowledgeable users on the list will far, far outweigh the hypothetical benefit to the uncommon total newbie who stumbles in there.

Another thing that occurred to me is that you could append numbers to overleaves (like 2-Artisan, 6-Priest, 4-Observation, etc.); this would make the various number and axis influences more visible.

All the best, Ed

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:12:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [m-t..] Update: The Overleaf Database 2

Meta Syn wrote:

> Dear Ken -- Thanks for your answer. I will go check out these other ways to
> use the data when I get off of AOL.
>
> I disagree on one point. I still think that if you abbreviate overleaves (and
> you might be able to explain them above) the benefit to the already
> knowledgeable users on the list will far, far outweigh the hypothetical
> benefit to the uncommon total newbie who stumbles in there.

I'll keep thinkin' about it.

> Another thing that occurred to me is that you could append numbers to
> overleaves (like 2-Artisan, 6-Priest, 4-Observation, etc.); this would make
> the various number and axis influences more visible.

I did already. Look at the choices when you fill in a form.

--
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:29:49 EST
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [m-t..] Update: The Overleaf Database]

In a message dated 98-03-26 20:37:45 EST, Ken Broom writes:

<< The Michael Math stuff is of great value in counseling and fascinates me
personally, and many other people, so it stays. >>

Well, I have to side with Dick and Jane (Ed) concerning the usefulness of the Michael math. I have some scholar influence, but I still find this questionable area of the Michael teachings about as stimulating as a puddle of water. I haven't decided if I find it as useful as a fire hydrant in the middle of Antarctica, but it certainly reeks with the stench of academia. I would hate to see these teachings become lodged in a quagmire of incomprehensible jargon and theorem.

I'm sure Michael math is a source of endless delight for a scholar. In fact, it's probably a scholar's wet dream, but I worry that the subject might cast a dark cloud over the accessibility of the teachings. Okay, maybe not a cloud, but a dense fog bank. Okay, perhaps that's too strong. How about the wet mist that forms when our hot breath hits the cooler air? No? Uh, the invisible vapors that escape from my 16 year old dog after she eats too many wormy chunks of week old pork rind? Never mind....

Dave

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:20:51 -0500
Subject: "Influences and Axes" replaces "Michael Math"

I checked out the Michael Math section in "More Messages from Michael" (MMM). Chapter 8, starting on page 188, is devoted to Michael Math. See especially pages 190-192. There are also a few mild warnings from Michael about taking too literally the ways that the overleaves and casting can be expressed, i.e. in terms of numbers, or levels, or roles, or goals, or modes, or etc.

This is not at all what I am doing in the Overleaf Database when I pull together the influence and axis definitions of the overleaves and casting. This is also why I took out the words "Michael Math" from the database description.

Below is a small chart of the Michael Math RESONANCES as derived from MMM, pp 190-192, with some of the old words replaced by synonyms(?).

Age ...... Role ..... Goal ............ Mode ........... Attitude ....... Center .......... Chief Feature

Influence - Axis

One ..... Infant ... Server .... Re-Evaluation ... Reserved ....... Stoic ......... Emotional ....... Self-Deprecation
One ..... Ordinal - Inspiration

Two ..... Baby ..... Artisan ... Discrimnation ... Caution ........ Skeptic ........ Intellectual .... Self-Destruction
Two ..... Ordinal - Expression

Three ... Young .... Warrior ... Submission .......Perseverance ... Cynic .......... Moving .......... Martyrdom
Three ... Ordinal - Action

Four .... Mature ... Scholar ... Relaxation .......Observation .... Pragmatist ..... Instinctive ..... Stubbornness
Four .... Neutral - Assimilation

Five .... Old ...... Sage ...... Acceptance ...... Power .......... Idealist ....... Higher-Intell ... Greed
Five .... Exalted - Expression

Six ..... Astral ... Priest .... Growth .......... Passion ........ Spiritualist ... Higher-Emot ..... Arrogance
Six ..... Exalted - Inspiration

Seven ... Causal ... King ...... Dominance ....... Aggression ..... Realist ........ Higher-Moving ... Impatience
Seven ... Exalted - Action

BTW:
----

1) Michael calls these relationships "Resonances", not "Michael Math".

2) They also say that these resonances (Michael Math) are "...central to understanding the evolution of all fragments, on and off the physical plane."

3) The term "Michael Math" apparently originated with the original Michael group, not with The Michaels themselves. See page 189 in MMM. Interesting... hmmm?

Geez... It looks like some of Dick Hein is rubbing off on me. Yeah Dick, I know, its about time. Really? No, not really. :>)#

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:13:41 EST
From: Iblisblu
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [m-t..] Update: The Overleaf Database]

In a message dated 98-03-27 02:30:54 EST, you write:

<< I'm sure Michael math is a source of endless delight for a scholar. In
fact, it's probably a scholar's wet dream, but I worry that the subject might cast
a dark cloud over the accessibility of the teachings >>

I am a scholar, and the numbers are much less interesting to me than a puddle of water. Actually I find puddles of water to be very interesting! (true study...etherial movement...) I agree with you as far as accessibility goes...I am a beginner, so maybe that's why it seems to make no sense at all. But it seems so inaccessible to me that I can't even attempt to figure any of it out. I've tried. SO, I have all this michael math talk saved in my mail....maybe someday I'll get motivated to try to make some sense out of it. Until then, gonna focus on learning other Michael things, ones that are much less...um....clandestine. I tend to automatically distrust such info anyways...or at least resent it a bit. "Not fair, I can't figure you out!"

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:49:48 -0800
Subject: Re: Michael Math and Colors

Jeanne,
      If you go to my website and look at the Playing the Game
section, you will see how to use colors as part of puzzle
pieces. That approach helps people for whom the math is a barrier.
      Link: http://www.itstime.com/mpuzzle.htm (Playing the Game).
Follow the directions for creating your own blank color chart and filling it in.
      When I do overleaves, I use shaded colors to blend and show the
infinite variety of influences via color (math) that each person
has. It's a challenge I haven't yet solved to show it properly
on the Internet, but I may take another run at it some day.

> I was trying to figure out what to use
> to help me figure out Michael Math when I'm ready to start on it.

Barbara

"If you can dream it, you can do it!"

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:56:47 -0800
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-03-25 of Michael Teachings List

Ken,
      Emily Baumbach uses the Concordance in her classes and can give
references and responses there.

Barbara

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:04:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Michael Math

Dick, et al:

      From the Michael Math description page:

> Keep in mind that this is a simplified exercise in the use of Michael math for achieving balance.
> The overleaves and their associated numbers have varying amounts of "strength" for each
> person - each person is unique. Use this information like all of
> the Michael Teachings - validate it for yourself and use what works for you.

      NONE of the numbers have equal weight as each person is unique. The exercise is simplified to help people who are overwhelmed by the topic.
      Michael Math comes from the original Michael Books, where by the way, casting is also described.

Barbara

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:10:57 -0800
Subject: Re: Old and New Math

Lori,

      Many years ago, Michael also gave me the suggestion to work
with circles, shapes and colors in helping me understand the
teachings. That exercise helped me develop alternative methods
that tapped into my emotional center, from which I was then able
to learn how to express that knowledge in intellectual form (and
whence was born the Personality Game and the expression of color
forms via puzzle pieces that eventually became the web site).
      Still today when I try to understand something that puzzles me
(in any situation), when I start to draw the answer comes.
      We were also told at one time, when asking about why "new"
things were being revealed, that it's really "new" just more
expansion of what already is or what is already known.
      Humans cannot take the entire system in at one time and
understand the vastness of the Universe. We need to do it step
by step, so when we reach understanding at one step, we are able
to learn how to take another step that leads to new knowledge,
etc...and on it goes.

Barbara

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 23:56:57 UT
Subject: RE: Michael math and Michael Newton

I'm sure Michael math is a source of endless delight for a scholar.

Not this scholar - and I'm intellectually centered too! Must be my pragmatism that says "I don't see the point."

I never have yet agreed with any general statement made about any group that I supposedly belong to - females, Capricorns, West Coast natives, Evergreen graduates, etc. etc. . . (any other geoducks out there?). We're all individuals still.

Following up on another posting, I found "Journey of Souls" by Michael Newton and began devouring it last night (okay, one truism about scholars: I buy a LOT of books). If you are interested in validating the Michael teachings, READ THIS BOOK! He has developed the same cosmology out of reports from people he's regressed to the astral state between lives. There's an interesting difference in perspective and knowledge between these still-incarnating souls, who only experience the physical and astral planes, and Michael on the causal plane, but the ingredients are all there. Shepherd or anyone else, has anyone contacted Dr. Newton and told him about the Michael teachings?

Have also been cruising the archives of all the postings to this list - wow - everything from "Cease and Desist" warnings to light bulb jokes!

Uniquely yours,

Jody --------<--{@

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:14:11 -0500
Subject: taking it in

Barbara Taylor wrote:

> [clipped]
>
> Humans cannot take the entire system in at one time and
> understand the vastness of the Universe. We need to do it step
> by step, so when we reach understanding at one step, we are able
> to learn how to take another step that leads to new knowledge,
> etc...and on it goes.

If a person can hold a wordless thought for longer than a heartbeat, then that same person can take in the entire system at one time, and can also understand the vastness of the universe.

And the longer that heartbeat... the deeper the understanding.

However, there's a rub.

That taking in, that understanding, is wordless and silent and poetic in its nature, timeless in its history, and infinite in its extent.

We beings ARE the system. Of course we can take it in.

We beings ARE the vastness of the Universe. Of course we can understand it.

Our illusion is that we need words in order to take in and comprehend.

And today our words have become our blindnesses, our limitations, and our fears.

Look inward angel and I will tell you what you see.

Move inward angel and I will tell you where you are.

TAO Bless You Angel. I am you.

We actually are each other.

--
Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:28:06 -0800
Subject: Re: Old and New Math

> Still today when I try to understand something that puzzles me
>(in any situation), when I start to draw the answer comes.

      I remember that when Winston Churchill (not that I was there) was confronted with a situation where he didn't know what to do would paint. He said when he started to paint he wouldn't know what the solution to the problem was but he said he knew when he had been painting a while the answer would be there for him.

      Mike H.

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:00:39 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: Old and New Math

Albert Einstein said he achieved the inspirational state while shaving. The key seems to be achieving a state of non-thinking so the information is blocked by incessent chatter (I think don Juan called it "internal dialogue).

John

> I remember that when Winston Churchill (not that I was there) was
> confronted with a situation where he didn't know what to do would paint. He
> said when he started to paint he wouldn't know what the solution to the
> problem was but he said he knew when he had been painting a while the answer
> would be there for him.

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:00:39 +0000
Subject: Re: RE: Michael math and Michael Newton

> I never have yet agreed with any general statement made about any group that I
> supposedly belong to - females, Capricorns, West Coast natives, Evergreen graduates

I didn't know anyone graduated from Evergreen. I thought they either became professional students, or floated away in a cloud of hemp smoke....

John (scholar, male, Capricorn, West Coast native, non-graduate of anything)

From: Christine Daae
Subject: RE: Michael math, and between lives

At 01:02 28/03/98 -0000, you wrote:

> # I'm sure Michael math is a source of endless delight for a scholar. #
>
>Not this scholar - and I'm intellectually centered too! Must be my pragmatism
>that says "I don't see the point."

Not this one either - math goes straight over my head! I think I have too much Artisan influences for it.

>Following up on another posting, I found "Journey of Souls" by Michael Newton
>and began devouring it last night (okay, one truism about scholars: I buy a
>LOT of books). If you are interested in validating the Michael teachings, READ
>THIS BOOK! He has developed the same cosmology out of reports from people he's
>regressed to the astral state between lives. There's an interesting difference
>in perspective and knowledge between these still-incarnating souls, who only
>experience the physical and astral planes, and Michael on the causal plane,
>but the ingredients are all there.

Someone leant me a book called "Life Between Lives" by Dr Joel Whitton, which also deals with the interlife state through regressions. Nearly all of the material ties up with the Michael teachings. The only bits I didn't feel sure about could easily be explained by people trying to make sense of and describe what they were experiencing, and the fact that it was coming through incarnate people rather than a teacher like Michael. It's worth picking up if you see it, anyway.

On another topic, as this is my first post to the list I feel I should do a quick introduction! I'm a 3rd level Mature Scholar, passion mode, goal of acceptance, a spiritualist in the moving part of emotional center, with a chief feature of stubbornness and a secondary of self-deprecation. I was second cast in my cadence and my cadence is number two in the greater cadence.

On non-Michael matters, by brother-in-law is also on the list - Barry, from Bath. </>

Best,
Christine

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
We who dream by day are aware of many things that escape those
who dream only by night. - E. A. Poe

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:03:24 -0800
Subject: RE: Simultaneous incarnations

      Hi all,
      My wife has another simultaneous incarnation going on during this lifetime and she met him in junior high. She would stare at him and he would stare back as if I know you but who are you? He came around here where we live as a ghost if that makes any sense. He wasn't visible but was able to cause both of us to be touched. A little spooky even for me, a true believer in such things. Michael said he was considering leaving the planet which I assume may have been the reason for the attempted contact. Michael told me you can do up to seven simultaneous incarnations. I have to be careful with this because there is a risk of my getting confused.
      Mike H.

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 19:27:18 UT
Subject: RE: Digest No. 1998-03-28 of Michael Teachings List

I didn't know anyone graduated from Evergreen. I thought they either
became professional students, or floated away in a cloud of hemp smoke...

John (scholar, male, Capricorn, West Coast native, non-graduate of anything)

that's just the old souls, John. ; )

Jody B

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 22:48:21 UT
Subject: Simultaneous incarnations

Mike, this idea made me so nervous when I first encountered it that I couldn't read about it in Shepherd's book. But in "Journey of Souls" Michael Newton recounts a session with a client who is doing two incarnations at once and this was easier for me to read and understand. Still sounds like quite a trick!

-------< --{@ Jody

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:59:18 EST
Subject: Re: RE: Simultaneous incarnations

Dear Mike -- From essence's point of view as "executive overseer of lifetimes" it wouldn't be functionally different if two or more lifetimes overlapped in physical universe time. Essence is in a place outside of that.

Michael has said often (and so have other channels) that we as essences can have more than one lifetime going on at once. They are usually called "counterparts". I don't want to get into looking up quotes (Dick?) but I believe the predominant view from Michael is that counterpart lives very rarely meet each other in life; usually they are in different continents. I might, for example, have had a whole string of past lives in China with karmas and monads and so on that needed me to live a Chinese life now completely independent of the factors that went into this one.

I've heard of a few cases where the Orinda channels have said that someone met a counterpart. Your wife would be the third or fourth one. I'd be reluctant to theorize about it except to offer the possibility that the guy could have been her ET, for sometimes people feel they know the ET so well they are like one person; and there are other descriptions of how things are where it is said that we as souls or essences split into two essence twins, so in a sense by that view we would be the same soul as our 'twin flame". Point is, there are a lot of descriptions out there and I very much doubt that Michael has gotten the definitive story on ETs and the arrangements of cadres, entities and casting yet.

All the best, ed

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:12:12 -0800
Subject: Re: RE: Michael math, and between lives

Christine Daae wrote:

> At 01:02 28/03/98 -0000, you wrote:
>
> Someone leant me a book called "Life Between Lives" by Dr Joel Whitton,
> which also deals with the interlife state through regressions. Nearly all
> of the material ties up with the Michael teachings. The only bits I didn't
> feel sure about could easily be explained by people trying to make sense of
> and describe what they were experiencing, and the fact that it was coming
> through incarnate people rather than a teacher like Michael. It's worth
> picking up if you see it, anyway.
>
> On another topic, as this is my first post to the list I feel I should do a
> quick introduction! I'm a 3rd level Mature Scholar, passion mode, goal of
> acceptance, a spiritualist in the moving part of emotional center, with a
> chief feature of stubbornness and a secondary of self-deprecation. I was
> second cast in my cadence and my cadence is number two in the greater
> cadence.
>
> On non-Michael matters, by brother-in-law is also on the list - Barry, from Bath.
>
> Best,
> Christine

    Just have to speak up,abit...."Life between Life" was the book that started me on this spiritual quest,several years ago(I've read it three times,and still enjoy it!) Its funny you mentioned this book because I was about to too;) I've also read "Journey of Souls" by Michael Newton, way before I came upon the Michael Teachings....Could these be standard books (besides the Michael Books,of course) to initate one to the concepts of the Michael Teachings?...maybe, in any case I enjoyed both books.
    One I might also suggest is "Past Lives,Future Lives" by Dr.Bruce Goldberg it speaks of simultaneous lives, even the future ones, which I found interesting...thou for this mere mortal, sometimes hard to grasp:) So you've all probably guessed I flunked in the Micheal Math area....but I'll keep trying!
    Well as of yet, I still need to get those darn overleaves done... I think I'll gave this Otterly fellow a try!
    Christine, thanks for reading my mind...and congrats on your engagement.

Take Care All

Cindy

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:55:20 -0600
Subject: Re: Simultaneous incarnations

Jody wrote,

> Mike, this idea made me so nervous when I first encountered it that I couldn't
> read about it in Shepherd's book. But in "Journey of Souls" Michael Newton
> recounts a session with a client who is doing two incarnations at once and
> this was easier for me to read and understand. Still sounds like quite a trick!
>
> -------< --{@ Jody

Aaaaaagh! Are you telling me (no I haven't gotten that far into Shepherd's Book yet) that what I thought was my doppelganger is really me? You folks have moved me way out of my comfort zone. I was still trying to get used to the idea of Kenneth Broom appearing on various episodes of "Sliders", and now I'm going to find myself in the middle of a Vincent Price Movie???? Maybe that's why I'm so tired all of the time! Okay, you do this thread, I'll get back to Barbara's Page and color!

Love, Laughter and which twin has the toni? :-0

Jeanne H

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:23:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Simultaneous incarnations

      Hi Jeanne,
      Funny post, thank you for sending it. I have heard about the
doppleganger thing. Has Michael ever said what the heck it is?
      Mike Huttinger

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:47:52 -0600
Subject: 5 Levels of Teachings Facilitation

Having been a reader of these posts for a few weeks now, I am motivated to post a bit of Michael channeling I did recently. This list is "The 5 Levels of Teachings Facilitation".
      I think using this list will help people identify where they are on the path with the M's (as I call Michael) - some feel their student 'agreement' is at a different level than others, and this list will explain a little about that.
      The M's tell us that this list is an Ascending List, meaning you progress upward through the steps to the next level, using the same steps again but with more and more applied awarenesses.
      With a nod to all the Scholars here, I'll use some scholastic references to help things out.:)
      (As an aside to other channels, I would request that any of you whom have a disagreement or change or whatever to this list contact me directly, rather than post it in this area. Since this is "new" information, I am working with the understanding that channels will communicate with eachother first to resolve perceived differences in the information.)

The 5 Levels to Teachings Facilitation

1. Having First Awareness.
      Being aware of information without doing anything actively about it.
      You have been exposed to information, and have awareness that it exists in life, but are taking no active steps in pursuing it.
      (Looking at College Brochures.)

2. Being an Internal Example.
      Taking information and applying it to your life, though not talking about it much. Discovering the ways the information applies in your life. Many internal "Ah HA's" accompany this level.
      (First Year College Student)

3. Being an Open Example.
      Taking applied information and its results and willingly telling others what has happened and why. Encouraging others * by your own example * to have similar experiences with the information.
      (Third/Fourth Year College Student)

4. Opening the Door to Others.
      Intentionally pursuing others with your perceived benefits of the applied information and actively interesting them. This differs from Level 3 in that you use others' experiences as examples as well as your own. This level can be related to as a 'recruiter' in the most benign of senses.
      (Graduate Student)

5. "Sitting at the feet of the Master"
      Preparing for the Next Level of Study and Work. This level is absorbing information, internally and externally relating information, and is totally aware that they are connected to all the levels of teaching, and serve as an aware example of the best the information has to offer.
      (PhD Candidate/Award)

Michael
channeled by Caris
3/28/98

©Caris Palm Turpen 1998

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:49:35 -0600
Subject: 4th internal monad

The discussion/comments on the 4th IM brought to mind a WONDERFUL lecture Kay Kamala did at the Michael Symposium in California last November. She spoke for about 1/2 hour, detailing the various steps one goes through and what will come up. I was very interested in the material, and feel that a great video or audio tape could be done on the subject by her, or someone who has a similar take on the info. She gave out a list of "Things to Remember About the Mid-life Passage". Here I quote it as it might resonate with those going through it. I would suggest any interested contact Kay for more info: </>

1. Resistance is Futile.
2. You will be looking at the death of something, because this is a death process. It can be the first time that real limitations are faced and accepted. You will let go of something very big.
3. You will meet your most primary fears and have an opportunity to make friends with them.
4. You will feel like you are the only one on the planet in pain, and that the pain will last forever. You will know depression and emotional isolation.
5. You will discover how you meet change and uncertainty.
6. You will feel like you are losing your mind, and not be sure of who you are or what you want.
7. You will be exposed to unresolved self-karmas from significant past lives.
8. You will be transformed by the process in a positive way, for the remainder of you life. You will be liberated from what doesn't serve or belong to you anymore.

"Right down there in the thick of things, you will discover the love that will not die" Pema Chodron

Kay Kamala
Open Gate Spiritual Resources

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:46:22 -0800
Subject: Re: "Standard" Michael and "New" Michael (1998-12/1192)

| From: John Rogers
| Subject: Re: "Standard" Michael and "New" Michael
| Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:45:14 +0000

| I believe it is commonly accepted that the channels, as they develop
| in personal understanding of the material and their ability to be a
| clear channel, become open to channel "new" information. As they
| become adept, they begin to make intuitive leaps. I believe it is
| also not commonly thought of or accepted that as channels think they
| are developing in personal understanding, but are in fact going off
| on their own tangent, their channeling becomes muddier, and they add
| more and more of their own stuff.

| [T]he true student must undertake making him/herself a clear channel in
| order to receive information that is appropriate and valid for him/herself.
|
| So sayeth the neutral scholar!

And well said indeed, IMO.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:16:51 -0800
Subject: Re: Michael math and Michael Newton (1998-12/1207)

| From: Jody Bower
| Subject: RE: Michael math and Michael Newton
| Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 23:56:57 UT
|
| snip |
| Not this scholar - and I'm intellectually centered too! Must be my
| pragmatism that says "I don't see the point."

Same here - intellectually centered. But in addition to Pragmatism I have some Skeptic and Caution thrown in as well.

| Following up on another posting, I found "Journey of Souls" by Michael
| Newton and began devouring it last night ... Shepherd or anyone else,
| has anyone contacted Dr. Newton and told him about the Michael
| teachings?

I am considering doing that.

| Have also been cruising the archives of all the postings to this list -
| wow - everything from "Cease and Desist" warnings to light bulb jokes!

Hey, we cover the bases!

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:17:14 -0800
Subject: Re: Michael math, and between lives (1998-12/1212)

| From: Christine Daae
| Subject: RE: Michael math, and between lives
| Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:49:01 +0000
|
| At 01:02 28/03/98 -0000, you wrote:
|
| > # I'm sure Michael math is a source of endless delight for a scholar. #
| >
| > Not this scholar - and I'm intellectually centered too! Must be my
| > pragmatism that says "I don't see the point."
|
| Not this one either - math goes straight over my head! I think I have
| too much Artisan influences for it.

| On another topic, as this is my first post to the list I feel I should
| do a quick introduction! I'm a 3rd level Mature Scholar, passion mode,
| goal of acceptance, a spiritualist in the moving part of emotional
| center, with a chief feature of stubbornness and a secondary of
| self-deprecation. I was second cast in my cadence and my cadence is
| number two in the greater cadence.

You certainly do have Artisan influence with a 2/2/? casting (do you have your "raw" number?) Also you didn't mention your ET - Artisan perchance? Your having intellectual centering last would also contribute to your not being particularly inclined toward math.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:17:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Simultaneous incarnations (1998-12/1213)

| From: Mike Huttinger
| Subject: RE: Simultaneous incarnations
| Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:03:24 -0800

| Michael told me you can do up to seven simultaneous incarnations.

Hmmm. I was channeled as having a maximum of 11 concurrent incarnations and my ET has had a maximum of 23.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:17:53 -0800
Subject: Re: Simultaneous incarnations (1998-12/1216)

| From: Ed Hamerström
| Subject: Re: RE: Simultaneous incarnations
| Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:59:18 EST

| Michael has said often (and so have other channels) that we as essences
| can have more than one lifetime going on at once. They are usually
| called "counterparts".

This is the first I have heard of that terminology.

| I don't want to get into looking up quotes (Dick?) but I believe the
| predominant view from Michael is that counterpart lives very rarely meet
| each other in life; usually they are in different continents.

That's what Shepherd says in »Journey«.(§1) This was discussed in a thread back in August - see articles (1997-32/117) and (1997-32/149) which you can do via my site (see sig).

Cheers,
Dick
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§1 -

If we are incarnate in more than one place in the same time frame, we almost always pick diverse locations. Since the purpose of incarnating is to expand our horizons, we don't want to duplicate experiences. It is probably impossible to meet another reincarnational self in the flesh. [...] Simultaneous selves occupy distinct realities or "sectors" of this universe, even though they are in the same time frame. [JS1.324]

Theoretically, if we did meet another reincarnational self, he would probably seem like a close entity mate. His body could look quite different from ours, although we tend to look somewhat similar facially, especially around the eyes, from lifetime to lifetime. [JS1.324]

---

JS1 = »The Journey of Your Soul« V1 / Shepherd Hoodwin

In marking quoted material, the marks »text« represent italics. They will usually surround those portions containing the lesser amount of material. Occasionally they will demark italicized material within the quote.

The following table shows nominal markings for each title -

JS1 = Author »Michael«

===

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:18:10 -0800
Subject: Re: 5 Levels of Teachings Facilitation (1998-12/1221)

| From: Caris Turpen
| Subject: 5 Levels of Teachings Facilitation
| Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:47:52 -0600
|
| Having been a reader of these posts for a few weeks now, I am motivated
| to post a bit of Michael channeling I did recently. This list is "The 5
| Levels of Teachings Facilitation".

Very interesting; thanks for posting.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 98 14:45:15 UT
Subject: RE: Welcome to "Christine Daae"

On another topic, as this is my first post to the list I feel I should do a quick introduction! I'm a 3rd level Mature Scholar, passion mode, goal of acceptance, a spiritualist in the moving part of emotional center, with a chief feature of stubbornness and a secondary of self-deprecation. I was second cast in my cadence and my cadence is number two in the greater cadence.

Hi Christine (real name or a "mask"???) from another midcycle Mature artisan-cast scholar! What's your entity number? I was second cast in my cadence, but my cadence is three in the greater cadence . . . if you're also entity 2 according to Sarah's system, we're "related."

Caris - thanks for posting the "learning levels" - very interesting!

-----<--{@ Jody

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:42:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Simultaneous incarnations

>| Michael told me you can do up to seven simultaneous incarnations.
>
>Hmmm. I was channeled as having a maximum of 11 concurrent incarnations
>and my ET has had a maximum of 23.
>
>Cheers,
>Dick

      It sounds like the maximum number may be more of a personal preference than an absolute maximum. Maybe 7 is the maximum simultaneous lifetimes I have done. I believe I am doing two at this time. The other one is in the future.
      Mike Huttinger

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:42:28 -0800
Subject: I'm new

Hi all,

I've just joined the list and have been reading the posts with great interest for a couple of days now. Thanks to all for allowing me to participate.

My name is Anne, and as far as I can tell I'm an Artisan in observation with a goal of growth, an intellectually-centered pragmatist with a chief feature of--heck, I'm reasonably sure it ISN'T impatience or stubbornness, but beyond that I've got 'em all.

I read the Yarbro books starting about 10 years ago and have since read some of the other channels' works. I don't have a CLUE as to my casting, cadence, cadre or any of that, though I'd love to know more. My soul age and level are also not real clear to me.

Which is why I'd like to ask: does anyone have comments or suggestions about getting a reliable overleaf reading from a Michael channel? Any specific recommendations, preferably in the N.Cal/Oregon/Washington region?

Thanks in advance.

Anne
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:32:10 -0500
Subject: a little story about love

Hi, Someone sent this to me and I thought you all might enjoy it.

Who You Are Makes A Difference.
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A teacher in New York decided to honor each of her seniors in high school by telling them the difference they each made. Using a process developed by Helice Bridges of Del Mar, California, she called each student to the front of the class, one at a time. First she told them how the student made a difference to her and the class. Then she presented each of them with a blue ribbon imprinted with gold letters which read, "Who I Am Makes a Difference."

Afterwards the teacher decided to do a class project to see what kind of impact recognition would have on a community. She gave each of the students three more ribbons and instructed them to go out and spread this acknowledgment ceremony. Then they were to follow up on the results, see who honored whom and report back to the class in about a week.
One of the boys in the class went to a junior executive in a nearby company and honored him for helping him with his career planning. He gave him a blue ribbon and put it on his shirt. Then he gave him two extra ribbons, and said, "We're doing a class project on recognition, and we'd like you to go out, find somebody to honor, give them a blue ribbon, then give them the extra blue ribbon so they can acknowledge a third person to keep this acknowledgment ceremony going. Then please report back to me and tell me what happened."

Later that day the junior executive went in to see his boss, who had been noted, by the way, as being kind of a grouchy fellow. He sat his boss down and he told him that he deeply admired him for being a creative genius. The boss seemed very surprised. The junior executive asked him if he would accept the gift of the blue ribbon and would he give him permission to put it on him. His surprised boss said, "Well, sure." The junior executive took the blue ribbon and placed it right on his boss's jacket above his heart. As he gave him the last extra ribbon, he said, "Would you do me a favor? Would you take this extra ribbon and pass it on by honoring somebody else? The young boy who first gave me the ribbons is doing a project in school and we want to keep this recognition ceremony going and find out how it affects people."

That night the boss came home to his 14-year-old son and sat him down. He said, "The most incredible thing happened to me today. I was in my office and one of the junior executives came in and told me he admired me and gave me a blue ribbon for being a creative genius. Imagine. He thinks I'm a creative genius. Then he put this blue ribbon that says 'Who I Am Makes A Difference' on my jacket above my heart. He gave me an extra ribbon and asked me to find somebody else to honor. As I was driving home tonight, I started thinking about whom I would honor with this ribbon and I thought about you. I want to honor you. "My days are really hectic and when I come home I don't pay a lot of attention to you. Sometimes I scream at you for not getting good enough grades in school and for your bedroom being a mess, but somehow tonight, I just wanted to sit here and, well, just let you know that you do make a difference to me. Besides your mother, you are the most important person in my life. You're a great kid and I love you! "

The startled boy started to sob and sob, and he couldn't stop crying. His whole body shook. He looked up at his father and said through his tears, "I was planning on committing suicide tomorrow, Dad, because I didn't think you loved me. Now I don't need to."

      -Helice Bridges

WHO I AM MAKES A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I AM A PERSON WITH A HEART AND FEELINGS AND A NEED TO BE ACCEPTED. I HAVE FELT THE WAY THIS BOY DOES AND I NEEDED TO BE LET KNOWN. SOMEONE DID.

If you have anyone who means a lot to you, I encourage you to send them this message and let them know. You never know what kind of difference a little encouragement can make to a person. Send it to all of the people who mean anything important to you, or send it to the one or two people who mean the most. Or just smile and know that someone thinks that you are important, or you wouldn't have received this in the first place. : )

Remember that I give you all a blue ribbon! Who you are makes a difference! And I wanted you all to know that you mean a lot to me! You make a Difference!

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:35:59 -0600
Subject: Simultaneous incarnations

Ed wrote:

> I've heard of a few cases where the Orinda channels have said that someone met
> a counterpart. Your wife would be the third or fourth one.

I've had some personal channelling on the same topic from an Orinda channel. The way I understand it is that it is rare for simultaneous incarnations to meet, but if they do, the younger in soul age one is facinated with the older one and the older one is usually bored with the younger one, but there is usually excellent report between them nonetheless.

Pardon my French, but it seems to me that if the two become lovers, it gives new meaning to the phrase, "Go f**k yourself." Sorry, I'm a sage and couldn't resist.

John Macchietto