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THE POSTS:

 

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:45:41 -0600
Subject: Re: How many old scholars...

Being an Old Sage, I am amused at the Scholar light bulb jokes. But does anyone know:

   "How many old sages it takes to change a light bulb?"

    I don't, but I'd like to talk about it.

John Macchietto

P.S. Kings, Warriors, Artisans, Priests and Servers, it's your turn.


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:54:40 EST
Subject: Re: How many old scholars...

Old Sages don't change light bulbs. We sit around by candlelight discussing which light bulb is the best until a warrior comes along and changes it for us, muttering something about 'useless tongue-wagging'.

Martha


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:29:19 -0800
Subject: Headlines Scandal

Ok, I have another topic, one the Sages are bound to love. ;-) In fact, it was a nice Old Sage who sent me this:

 

In France, some editorials criticized the prudish attitude toward sex in America.
"There are some days when it feels very good to be French,'' said Sud-Ouest,
a top regional newspaper, noting what it called a "tyranny of the Puritans
that sometimes makes the beautiful American democracy resemble a police
state.''

Japanese media gave page-one play to the controversy, with Nihon Keizai,
Japan's largest business daily, blaming it for Friday's drop in the value of
the dollar to a two-month low against the yen.

 

Probably everyone knows the above refers to President Clinton and his alleged affairs. I just have to be amused.... The media are so typical.... Like, they set the standard for what is "right," ha ha ha....It says a whole lot about American society and morality, don't you think? I get the impression that the US isn't coming into the mature-soul age as fast as Michael says.... Or is this kind of scandal the kind of thing mature souls get into, with the drama, lies, and intensity? Or is it more the baby-soul culture ostercizing (sp?) the one who's not following their rules? I don't know, it just seems like people have their priorities turned around or something.

I was at a little gathering this Saturday and Ted Fontaine was there and he channeled a little bit about this, and I'm hoping he might want to share some of the things he got from Michael on it, hmmmmm??? :^)

--
Lori Tostado


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:14:44 -0800
Subject: Re: Headlines Scandal

Here's my take on this highly interesting question, for what it's worth:

The current national obsession over Clinton's affairs has to do with our struggle to accept rather than deny the reality of our own lives, which is a sign of transition from the Young to Mature soul level. Part of this maturation deals with recognizing the Baby soul imprinting we have carried with us as a nation up to this point, as evidenced by the repressive and Puritanical sexual mores which we still attempt to hold as a standard. As the Mature Sage leader, Clinton reflects back to us the unresolved conflicts which we must learn to deal with and accept as we move forward. The more we can own the conflicts rather than reject the agent (Clinton), the smoother our transition as a nation will be.

Pardon the pontification, but the Priest in me can't resist!

David


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:30:00 -0600
Subject: Warrior Bulbs

MysticGirl wrote:

 

> Old Sages don't change light bulbs. We sit around by candlelight discussing
> which light bulb is the best until a warrior comes along and changes it for
> us, muttering something about 'useless tongue-wagging'.
>
> Martha

 

 

Now that's something. I wondered how those things ever got changed. Thank God for warriors. Hey, do they do windows too?

John


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:02:17 +0000
Subject: Son of Bride of Lightbulb Jokes

How many servers does it take to change a light bulb?

Already taken care of. More tea? A pillow for your neck? How's the temperature in here for you, okay?

How many priests does it take to change a light bulb?

Just one. And the priest will see to it that the light bulb really *wants* to change.

Dean


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:23:55 -0600
Subject: Re: How many old scholars...

John,

It depends on how large the light bulb is. Are we talking spotllights with flesh pink gels on them?

Love and Laughter :-))

Jeanne Holley

 

----------
Being an Old Sage, I am amused at the Scholar light bulb jokes. But
does anyone know:

"How many old sages it takes to change a light bulb?"

I don't, but I'd like to talk about it.

John Macchietto

P.S. Kings, Warriors, Artisans, Priests and Servers, it's your turn.

 


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:45:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Headlines Scandal (1998-04/635+636)

 

| From: Lori Tostado
| Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:29:19 -0800

| [A] top regional [French] newspaper [noted] what it called a "tyranny
| of the Puritans that sometimes makes the beautiful American democracy
| resemble a police state."

 

This is =very= old news to Naturists. And I think they put it rather well.

 

| Probably everyone knows the above refers to President Clinton and his
| alleged affairs. I just have to be amused.... The media are so
| typical.... Like, they set the standard for what is "right," ha ha
| ha....It says a whole lot about American society and morality, don't you think?

 

Yup.

 

| I get the impression that the US isn't coming into the mature-soul age
| as fast as Michael says....

 

Certainly not fast enough for this student.

 

| Or is this kind of scandal the kind of thing mature souls get into, with
| the drama, lies, and intensity?

 

Not =all= MS's. :^)

 

| Or is it more the baby-soul culture [ostracizing] the one who's not
| following their rules?

 

That's my take on it.

 

| I don't know, it just seems like people have their priorities turned
| around or something.

 

Part of the differences between younger souls and older souls.

---

 

/ From: David W
/ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:14:44 -0800
/
/ Here's my take on this highly interesting question, for what it's worth:

/ Pardon the pontification, but the Priest in me can't resist!

 

Interesting.

-Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]
-----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:09:43 -0800
From: Mike Huttinger
Subject: Re: How many old scholars...

   Well I am a priest (any others out there?) and aren't priests supposed to inspire someone else to change that pesky light bulb?


Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:40:25 -0800
Subject: Priests and lightbulbs

Q: How many priests does it take to change a light bulb?

A: Only one, and they will preach to you until you *see the light*!

Barbara Taylor


Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:47:03 -0600
Subject: Re: Re: How many old scholars...

Huttinger wrote:

 

> Well I am a priest (any others out there?) and aren't priests supposed
> to inspire someone else to change that pesky light bulb?

 

Yes,

    Start with the warriors. They've already got the ladder out.

John Macchietto


Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:49:59 -0500
From: Hilda
Subject: light bulb-artisans

How many mature artisans does it take to change a light bulb?

Only one, but wouldn't it look nicer if you changed the whole fixture? Or perhaps knock out a wall to let in the natural light?

Hilda-(1st post), I've been lurking for a while: Amazing to me that so many have been touched by this teaching. Greetings to all!! 1st level mature artisan, caution, submission, realist, intellectual of moving, arrogance


Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 14:18:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Headlines Scandal

 

> I was at a little gathering this Saturday and Ted Fontaine was there and
> he channeled a little bit about this, and I'm hoping he might want to
> share some of the things he got from Michael on it, hmmmmm??? :^)

 

Dear Lori & Everyone on the list:

One thing that surprized me on Saturday was how easily the Statement, "and it looks like he (pres.) is going to move past this one" when I was channeling. From the media's presentation he looks like his goose is cooked .... but, few of us are privey to what is going on behind closed doors where most of the plots of politics are put together. I am curious as to what other people are getting from Michael on the president's chances of surviving office.

Personally I think that if he beats this he is going to be worn out and remain in office somewhat punch drunk.

Also, from MIchael channeling, it feels like the allegations are true. The president has a strong sex drive that needs to be taken care of and he is not getting what he needs from Hillary (for what ever reason). On a deeper level, perhaps even on an essence level, Mr. Clinton feels that being a powerful leader means he can liberally satisfy his sexual appetite. Again, much of his popularity comes from his appeal to women (not all, but enough) and he certainly has plenty of opportunity given to him. On one hand he is dealing with a true need and on the other he must appear presidential as dictated by the baby soul standards of behaviour which are the base of our morality.

I want to emphasize "base of our morality" because I don't think that the majority of the people in this nation really believe that we take on one mate for life and if we stray we need to be punished for it. Most of us have more than one mating agreement, however we do them one at a time. We do have a baby soul base for our morality - the ten commandments. Baby souls set up the rules for morality, young souls break them, mature souls agonize over them and old souls go about their business as discretely as they can. Baby souls need to feel protected by their beliefs - if the president is breaking the rules of morality then they do not feel safe. Translation - Sexual promiscuity, since it breaks their rules threatens their survival.

What I am leading to here is that no matter what soul age we are (except infant) our inner baby soul will set that tone for our morality. The baby soul develops the basis of the morality and we add and build upon that (and deconstruct) in later lifetimes.

As far as the media goes - and let my inner judge go wild here - Those vultures are again wasting their time on junk news. What are the big stories and why are they not being reported? What about the growing discrepancy between the incomes of the rich and the poor? What about overfishing the oceans? What about the money games going on in Asia? What about the amount of money still being spent on weapons when the cold war is over?

Yours -- Ted

What worries me is that the excutive branch may pull the war card to get the focus off


Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:39:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: artisan bulbs

It may take only one, or it may take quite a few, but chances are when an artisan finally gets around to changing that light bulb the white shirt you are wearing is going to look purple.


Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:13:06 +0800
From: J J Tan
Subject: Light-bulb jokes...

Well, jokes naturally (or not? <g>) comes from Sages... (I'm one)

Q: How many does it take to change a light bulb?

Server:      1 -- everyone can do it, and do it well!! Anytime, anywhere!!
Warrior:     None -- though we see lots of strategic approach for changing light-bulbs, and how to best defend the abused light-bulbs...
Artisan:
      a) 1 - everyone can do it, and perhaps fit another 50 bulbs into the same socket, complete with artistic weaving patterns, etc.
      b) Talk about using a paper-clip as a light-bulb, if anyone can do that, he/she gotta be an Artisan.
Priest:      1 - and we need 100 others to carry out the ritual.
King:      None -- you only report to them...

Sage & Scholar -- well, I think the existing ones are so good that I can't think of anything else to top them (not that I'm that funny in the first place...) :-)

Just for laughs.

Regards.


Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:05:50 -0400
Subject: Re: the joke

 

"How many old sages it takes to change a light bulb?"

I don't, but I'd like to talk about it.

John Macchietto

P.S. Kings, Warriors, Artisans, Priests and Servers, it's your turn.

 

Ok , I feel inspired to respond...

How many old Priests does it take to change a light bulb?

None, we use the light within....it never burns out

M' Ixchel

2nd old priest , growth, (and currently struggling with it), impatience, perseverance with occasional (like now) dynamic aggression, emotional part of intellectual centering (currently an emotional fire-ball melting around the seams) idealist( I can imagine a better way) artisan ET (hiding in my closet perhaps)

I think I'm hitting the whirlwind of life task time (36 yrs) and feeling shaky. I think its time to go visit the archives about all those great life task posts.


Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:04:10 -0800
Subject: Re: light bulb-artisans (1998-04/644)

 

| From:
|
| How many mature artisans does it take to change a light bulb?
|
| Only one, but wouldn't it look nicer if you changed the whole fixture?
| Or perhaps knock out a wall to let in the natural light?
|
| -(1st post), I've been lurking for a while: Amazing to me that so
| many have been touched by this teaching. Greetings to all!!
|
| 1st level mature artisan, caution, submission, realist, intellectual of
| moving, arrogance

 

Glad to see another Mature in here! And an Artisan, too; my ET is an Artisan.

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:04:28 -0800
Subject: Re: Headlines Scandal (1998-04/645)

 

| From: ted fontaine

| Baby souls set up the rules for morality, young souls break them, mature
| souls agonize over them and old souls go about their business as
| discretely as they can.

 

Interesting observation.

 

| As far as the media goes - and let my inner judge go wild here - Those
| vultures are again wasting their time on junk news.

 

They write what sells. And the majority of the market is "early cycles".

 

| What are the big stories and why are they not being reported?

 

The market doesn't care.

 

| What about the growing discrepancy between the incomes of the rich and
| the poor?

 

The rich are in control and the last thing they want is for that discrepancy to be on people's minds.

 

| What about overfishing the oceans?

 

Young souls don't believe it can/will happen, and/or don't care.

 

| What about the amount of money still being spent on weapons when the
| cold war is over?

 

It keeps the weapons industry, headed by Young souls, in business at the public trough.

 

| What worries me is that the excutive branch may pull the war card to get
| the focus off

 

I think it would be a mistake to necessarily think that if it is decided to take Saddam Hussein down a notch or two, it was to divert attention from Clinton's problems.

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:30:27 +0000
Subject: Re: Headlines Scandal (1998-04/645)

 

| What worries me is that the excutive branch may pull the war card to get
| the focus off

> I think it would be a mistake to necessarily think that if it is decided
> to take Saddam Hussein down a notch or two, it was to divert attention
> from Clinton's problems.

 

Thank you, Dick, the ever present voice of reason.

This trip back to the Middle East is long overdue. I am very surprised we were not back there prior to 1995. The US Military planned on being back there before the end of 1993. They left a whole bunch of equipment there in anticipation of that. What is happening in the Middle East has nothing whatsoever with Clinton's alleged sexual promiscuity (And being one of those previously mentioned old souls, I could give a rip less where he puts his penis, and don't think it has a damn thing to do with his effectiveness as a leader). And it takes a congressional decision to mobilize the military by the way, not just the prez saying, "The heat's on boys. Let's load up, and move out, and hopefully the fickle short attention of the population will be diverted long enough that they will forget about this other stuff."

John Rogers


Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:12:10 -0800
Subject: Artisans and Lightbulbs

Q: How many Artisans does it take to change a light bulb?

A: Well, one to design the lampshade, one to re-cover the furniture, one to choose new wallpaper, another to hang new drapes, another to select new carpet, one to chose the music....there must be more ... What? You mean *only* wanted a new light bulb?!

--
Barbara Taylor


Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:39:01 -0800
Subject: President Clinton, etc.

We heard from Michael: << "Mr. Clinton is willing at an essence level to have part of his contribution to the presidency be the examination of the association between sexual morality and political accuity. The society is examining that issue of how necessary is it to have representatived of government have no ability to use sensuality/sexuality as an outlet for stress. The only outlet that is considered socially acceptable for politicians is lying." Many outcomes are possible and Michael wouldn't choose the most likely. They suggested we watch for the different opinions that were surfacing if we wanted to identify them. Michael didn't seem to think this was "interesting" karmically. >>

(The rest is my opinion):
    A mature male Sage, on stage a lot, worldwide power position, passion mode, acceptance, emotional centering -- sure sets up the potential for a strong sex drive.
    Mature souls are very much focused on relationship issues, and this is certainly a hot one, pitting the Baby soul Victorianism and Young soul hero-worship against Mature soul anguish and Old soul acceptance and enjoyment of variety.
    Mr. Clinton's rating was reported yesterday (after the State of the Union) at 73%!!! Last week it was about 41% (when the rumors were most prominent), dropping from above 53% the beginning of January. Seems that the American people are quite impressed by a man who can focus on the business of being president and not let the other stuff disable him.
    One of the newspapers here reported on the "rights" of heroes and conquerors in the past -- be the winner, kill the men, take the women or have women at their disposal. Our society has carried some of that thinking for quite some time, especially when men achieve power. Many of our past presidents didn't get caught until they were out of office, notably Kennedy and Roosevelt, even though there were rumors during their terms.
    One strong theme of the year is truth-telling and a look at the media. We're all getting an opportunity to participate in this for ourselves. The increase in the media and the speed at which rumors can move has fueled a lot of this, along with the media's growing lack of taste in what they are willing to do.
    Some political analysts have said that the president could very well withstand this onslaught, and if he comes out with the public behind him (as they have been so far), that he will be "untouchable" by his political enemies for the rest of his term. Bob Dole has been reminding people that he used morality as a strong theme in his run for president, and that still didn't win him the presidency!
    My take -- he'll get through this just fine and many others will be left with bigger problems than if it hadn't been hauled out in public so quickly.

Barbara


Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:08:01 -0800
Subject: Re: President Clinton, etc. (1998-04/655)

Many interesting points; thanks for posting.

-Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]
-----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:55:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: President Clinton, etc.

Hello,
      i was just wondering if anyone knows what Michael thinks about marijuana, or what anyone's personal views are about it. i'm in sort of this debate about if it is either bad or good for you (based on evidence from both sides of the argument). What do you think about the relationship between weed and spirituality? YOur opinions would be appreciated. Peace.

           Love,
             Amber aka Cosmic Girl

 


Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:01:08 EST
Subject: Re: President Clinton, etc.

Hi Amber

This list has just recently devoted almost two weeks of intensive discussion to this issue. I suggest you reference the Michael archives from the past three weeks. You'll find quite a variety of opinions, both pro and con.

Have fun :-)
Dave


Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:21:58 -0800
Subject: Re: roles

 

Dear Mike -- A few years ago I went to one of JP's channeling sessions and
asked at the end of it something like: "in the general Bay Area, what needles
in the haystack would be the Michael students they knew of that I would have
the closest essence connections with? She gave me six names, one of which was
Mike Huttinger or Huttenger of Sacramento. Is that you? (I never got around
to tracking down most of them.)

All the best, Ed Hamerstrom

 

    Hi Ed,
    Yes that must be me. I used to live in Sacramento. I went to many JP private sessions and listened to many of her public sessions on tape. I am in the 2nd cadre, third entity. What entity and cadre are you in? I would guess that to have a close essence contact would mean we are in the same entity but don't remember that being addressed in the Michael teaching. I am a 2nd level old priest, growth, impatience, intellectual centering, emotional part, spiritualist. I have a scholar essence twin so I like processing tons of information. Most of my entity has cycled off. The entity I am in is a small one, 934 souls approx. What about you?
    Mike Huttinger


Subject: Sage internet access
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:36:08 PST

Shepherd wrote:

 

TESTING: This is a test to see if there is still corruption coming
from AOL. Regardless, never fear, for I am switching to a new ISBN
2/1. But still it would be good to get the problem fixed.

 

ISBN.... Hmm... Shepherd dear, I think you mean ISP, as in internet service provider.

ISBN is the code on books (ask Ed all about, he once astounded me with a wealth of info on them). I know you're a publisher, and all.. But doing email via books would be slow and cumbersome... you'd have to print out your mail and put these bulky stamps on it, and send it out, and wait for the delivery to everyone.... far too slow, especially for Sages. :)

BTW, to add to the lightbulb jokes:

How many fragments of Michael's entity does it take to change a light bulb?

None. All is choice, the bulb decided it was time to cycle off, and we support it with our guidance and love.

-------
How many transcendental souls does it take to change a light bulb?
One, but they don't change it, they heal the old one.

--------
How many Infinite souls does it take to change a light bulb?

None, the light bulb blew because the Infinite soul was trying come through it to start with.

Love,
Seth


Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:29:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Sage internet access (1998-04/663)

Perhaps he meant ISDN, through a new ISP.

-Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]
-----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:50:07 EST
Subject: Re: Sage Internet Access

Oops! I actually did mean ISP, but changing that fell through, so I'm still at AOL. However, I'm changing my incoming e-mail addresses to go through my web site and be forwarded, so that whatever ISP I use, people will be able to reach me in the same way: sh@summerjoy.com is the main one (the old AOL addresses, which you'll continue to see as my return addresses, will still work for a while, too).

BTW, my new web site (www.summerjoy.com) is ready for prime time now, with the shopping cart and credit card acceptance finally hooked up and working. I'm still tweaking it, though, and will continue to add material as I go along. Feel free to e-mail me general-interest questions for Michael for the site. Answers will be posted, for now, anyway, under "Articles & Channeling." The site also has excerpts from my upcoming books, including "Opening to Healing Energy," which is coming out at the end of this year.

Re: Michael's position within their cadre, both my channeling and Yarbro say 4th entity, although other channels have gotten different things.

All the best,
Shepherd


Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:35:01 -0800
Subject:

    I asked Michael once what their entity number was and they said they didn't have one because they cycled off before they were numbered. I always secretly suspected that maybe they were still here and they were some of the Michael channelers. However they are a mid causal plane entity right? That would seem to indicate they have cycled off. I think in their teaching they say that an entity usually sends a representative down here from the higher planes as a transcendental soul. I wonder if that means they tend to do that from each plane?
    Mike


Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:29:28 -0800
Subject: Re: Transcendental souls (1998-04/664)

 

| From: Mike Huttinger
|
| I asked Michael once what their entity number was and they said they
| didn't have one because they cycled off before they were numbered.

 

I would tend to question the validity of that.

 

| I always secretly suspected that maybe they were still here and they | were some of the Michael channelers. However they are a mid causal | plane entity right? That would seem to indicate they have cycled off.

 

Correct.

 

| I think in their teaching they say that an entity usually sends a | representative down here from the higher planes as a transcendental | soul.

 

Not "usually", as there have been more entities that have cycled off than we have seen transcendental souls. From _Messages_ -

[Transcendental] souls seldom seek reincarnation in the physical body. /78

And it certainly is not always; from _Journey_ -

Once reunited on higher planes, your entity or cadre may or may not choose to incarnate physically as a transcendental or infinite soul. /355

 

| I wonder if that means they tend to do that from each plane?

 

Transcendental souls incarnate from the upper-causal plane only. Again from _Journey_ -

A transcendental soul is a representative of a fully reunited entity from the upper causal plane. /352

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:09:20 -0800
Subject: Further re President Clinton, etc. (1998-04/655)

Here is something I have not heard on the news -

WASHINGTON, Jan. 30 (UPI) -- The last time the Justice Department issued an official constitutional opinion on whether a sitting president could be indicted before being impeached and removed from office, the department's top lawyers said probably not.

-Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M5=26/IME/4.11>]
-----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.



 


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