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Date: Sun, 24 May 98 09:55:52 -0700
Subject: Re: Deservability

Lori & Interested folk:

 

> + deservability
> Worthiness
> - self-impartance

 

You may want to consider some other word besides deservability - which is not really an English word -- that is, it is not found in Websters (yet).

How about:

+worthiness
self esteem
-self importance

Interestingly enough, deserve comes from the latin "deservire" which means to serve dilligently - now it means "to have a right to (something) because of acts performed". Also notice de - serve. "de" being the prefix signifying separation, cessation, intensification or contradiction.

We also use deserve in a negative sense as "he deserves the electric chair" or in a selfish way as, "I deserve to win the lottery".

===Ted


Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:10:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Deservability

Yes Ted, I like the way you say that...
and JJ too, you say things in a way that I'm going, "Yeah, that's more what I meant, the way you said," :^) and show me something new.

Thank you all very much.

Love,
Lori


Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 06:38:13 EDT
Subject: Re: [sacred-sexualit..] Re: Orgasms and Ejaculations

In a message dated 5/24/98 1:56:36 AM, Vadra wrote:

 

This is something I have difficulty with in all aspects of my life which is
why I need so much stimulation to reach orgasm.

 

Just curious as to what your criteria for this judgement is... Sounds to me like you don't need so much or so little stimulation... Just need the right amount. I would say that this touched the "society says women are..." nerve in me. Rarely do we get to see an example of what a woman is like in a real orgasm. We do not make pretty faces, and undulate like a poetic cat stretching... At least not for the most part. It can be a gritty, sweaty, grunting, twitching affair with grimaces that look like someone is actually pulling off your toenails rather than giving you intense pleasure... Which lasts minutes... Hours.??? No clock watching allowed when the focus is on the pleasure of the present.
PJ


Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:30:39 +0000
Subject: Re: Happy Happy

Hey, it was MY birthday recently too (17 may). I went parascending -- a present from my wife -- which was great, flying 300ft above the sea off the coast of Wales, but after half an hour (instead of the paid-for 10 mins) I was ditched in the sea and had to be rescued, as the winch to pull me back in had failed. Is this the goal of Growth in action, by any chance?

      B a r r y
____________________
Mature scholar with seaweed in trainers


Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:39:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Orgasms and Ejaculations

And then, without warning, and with a passionate, undulating, but exquisitely tender rhythm that caught them all by surprise, the sacred sexuality list's membership count rose--in a sudden, powerful thrust--by 296 members...

Mr.X


Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:45:28 EDT
Subject: Re:Re: Orgasms and Ejaculations

In a message dated 98-05-26 19:07:37 EDT, PJ writes:

 

At least not for the most part. It can be a gritty, sweaty,
grunting, twitching affair with grimaces that look like someone is actually
pulling off your toenails rather than giving you intense pleasure... Which
lasts minutes... Hours.??? No clock watching allowed when the focus is on the
pleasure of the present.
PJ

 

Geez, now that's something you don't find in your mail box everyday -- Teeth-gritting, eyeball popping ecstacy. Is this post I'm refering to the result of dancing the mattress jig, or is it in a females case, the result of doing the two-finger-tango, juicing the sluice, or pettin' the poodle? Personally, I've always thought people tend to look really stupid when they have orgasms. Imagine an alien race observing us having sex. It must look quite ridiculous to them, not to mention the eloquence in which we state our desires..."Oh, baby....yes, yes...Oh, God yes!....Right there...no, a little to the left....Oooh, you're my little stud muffin....Oh, my God it's so big! Baby, oh, baby...grab the cattle prod...Who's your Daddy. Who's your Daddy!!!" ;-p

Yep, one orgasm and you'd think we were all 5 years old again and had just arrived at Disneyland.

Dave


Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:29:25 -0500
Subject: Welcome Back Barry and Newsletter update

Well I apologize for not staying with this very interesting Sacred Sexuality Thread, but I wanted to welcome Barry back (you've been missed; in fact everyone has been missed while we've been offline). And I wanted to let all of you know that my Computer is overjoyed that it has an appointment for an upgrade Friday afternoon and it's going to get a brand new 56K modem as well. If there are no difficulties, it will come home Friday night and be the proud recipient of Windows 95 HTML/Website program and we will begin work on what appears to be a Student Website with a "subscription" newsletter for those who do not have access to the Internet. You do still have a few days to let your wishes be known regarding the newsletter. So far I would say about 1/5 of you have contacted me.

Love and Laughter from the Dancing Computer (it's really thrilled)

Jeanne

5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination;
Passion; Pragmatist; Self-Dep/Arrogance/
Intellectual Center, moving part


Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:31:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Deservability (1998-20/1942)

 

| I still haven't gotten past disliking flies, mosquitos and cockroaches
| (I'm working on it).

 

One doesn't need to like something in order to acknowledge its place in the "grand scheme". (This view is likely a variation on the Mature cycle motto, "Do it anyplace but here.")

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Wed, 27 May 98 22:31:58 UT
Subject: RE: Worthiness

First of all I have to say I really missed you all! So glad the server's back up.

My two cents on worthiness/self-esteem and being of service: I think, for those of us with CFs of self-dep or arrogance at least, it's often a long journey to get to the place where it's okay for us to LET others give to us, be of service to us. Personally I had quite a battle before I could allow others to treat me as "worthy." The amazing thing was finding out how much they wanted to do that and what a compliment they considered it when arrogant me finally unbent and said "uh - I need a little help here." As one friend said to me, "it just made me feel so good that you felt that I had something to give."

So now I'm looking at the issue as a two-way mirror; when I say "I deserve this" I am also saying "and there are beings out there with the capability and willingness to give me this, who have this gift to share." This is a long way from the way I was raised, which might be summed up as "asking for something means depriving someone else, so only bad people ever ask or expect others to give to them."

Not sure how this plays out from the greed/self-destruction CFs. I was married to a self-destroyer who took and took and never gave; but I think he believed down deep that he had nothing to give.

JJ and Ted and Lori, thanks for your thoughtful posts on this. I learn so much from you all.

-----<--{@ Jody


Date: Wed, 27 May 98 22:36:39 UT
Subject: RE: Digest No. 1998-05-27 of Michael Teachings List

 

Personally, I've always thought people tend to look really stupid when they have orgasms.
Imagine an alien race observing us having sex. It must look quite ridiculous
to them, not to mention the eloquence in which we state our desires..."Oh,
baby....yes, yes...Oh, God yes!....Right there...no, a little to the
left....Oooh, you're my little stud muffin....Oh, my God it's so big! Baby,
oh, baby...grab the cattle prod...Who's your Daddy. Who's your Daddy!!!" ;-p

Yep, one orgasm and you'd think we were all 5 years old again and had just
arrived at Disneyland.

Dave

 

Welcome back, Dave. It's just not the same without you.

-------<--{@ Jody


Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:54:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Deservability (1998-20/1942)

 

> One doesn't need to like something in order to acknowledge its place in
> the "grand scheme". (This view is likely a variation on the Mature cycle
> motto, "Do it anyplace but here.")

 

What I meant was that I do not kill anything from the fear or the repugnance that was imprinted upon me as a child. However, 12 years of living in Manhattan (NYC) has left me somewhat insensitive to cockroaches (even though they are considered a nearly perfect insect); I feel that if a mosquito wishes to take my blood I have a perfect right to deny it by killing it (it is my blood) and knowing what a fly does on my food makes me feel I have a right to kill it. If I needed animals for food, I would do what was required to obtain that food. I would not waste or kill for the pleasure of it. Hope this clarifies my thought.

Jeanne

PS: I really enjoyed your Webpage Dick.


Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:34:06 -0400
Subject: Re: RE: Worthiness

The Happy Scholar sez "I exist therefore I am Worthy."

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom


Date: Wed, 27 May 98 21:34:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Deservability (1998-20/1942)

Jeanne wrote

 

> What I meant was that I do not kill anything from the fear or the
> repugnance that was imprinted upon me as a child. However, 12 years of living in
> Manhattan (NYC) has left me somewhat insensitive to cockroaches
> (even though they are considered a nearly perfect insect);

 

From "The Cockroach Control Manual", University of Nebraska Coop Extension "Did you know that that (cockroaches) have been implicated in cases of Salmonella food poisoning? They have also been found to harbor Staphylococcus, Strep, Coliform and other bacterial pathogens."

"The main reason that cockroaches harbor and transmit disease pathogens is that they live with us and will eat just about anything, including food in our kitchen trash can. After feeding on contaminiated food, disease bacteria can remain in the cockroach digestive system for a month or more. Later, human food or utensils can become contaminated with cockrach feces. It has been shown that Salmonella bacteria survive in cockroach feces for several years."

Also, " Many people who are allergic to house dust are also allergic to cockroaches... In infested homes, crushed cockroach body fragments and feces become a major constituent of dust."

Point being that possibly we have a good reason for our repulsions.

Yours -- Ted


Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:00:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Worthiness (1998-21/1955)

Hi Jody,

 

| JJ and Ted and Lori, thanks for your thoughtful posts on this. I learn
| so much from you all.

 

And to you, as your words are meaningful and resonate.

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:01:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Deservability (1998-21/1957)

Hello Jeanne,

In a previous post you said -

 

/ > | I still haven't gotten past disliking flies, mosquitos and cockroaches (I'm working on it).

 

To which I replied -

 

/ > One doesn't need to like something in order to acknowledge its place
/ > in the "grand scheme". (This view is likely a variation on the Mature
/ > cycle motto, "Do it anyplace but here.")

 

 

/ What I meant was that I do not kill anything from the fear or the
/ repugnance that was imprinted upon me as a child. However, 12 years of
/ living in Manhattan (NYC) has left me somewhat insensitive to
/ cockroaches (even though they are considered a nearly perfect insect); I
/ feel that if a mosquito wishes to take my blood I have a perfect right
/ to deny it by killing it (it is my blood) and knowing what a fly does on
/ my food makes me feel I have a right to kill it. If I needed animals
/ for food, I would do what was required to obtain that food. I would not
/ waste or kill for the pleasure of it. Hope this clarifies my thought.

 

Yes, thanks. I was picking up on your saying you were working on getting past disliking those insects.

 

/ PS: I really enjoyed your Webpage Dick.

 

Thanks!

Cheers,
Dick
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:47:36 -0700
Subject: sundries....

 

> There's only one of us here: What we give to others, we give to ourselves.
> What we withhold from others, we withhold from ourselves. In any moment,
> when we choose fear instead of love, we deny ourselves the experience of
> Paradise.
>
> -Marianne Williamson

 

Who is this Marianne Williamson anyway? :^) She's got some good stuff. I got the above passage yesterday forwarded from a friend.

Michael, in a reading I had once, said that when I withheld telling a friend of mine the truth about my perceptions of them, I was doing them and myself a disservice. Have you ever had the experience where you didn't want to tell someone the truth because you were afraid of hurting them, your relationship with them, or further, that their pain would in turn cause you a lot of pain because of the change in your relationship? Yeah, I think that's the real reason: we're more afraid of the pain we'll have by telling someone the truth than what they'll feel about it. When is just being honest with yourself enough? Have you ever had the guts to tell someone the truth about yourself or about them, and you know it's going to be painful, but you love them too much to not tell them, because every time you skirt around it or lie to protect it, you're a step further from your authentic self than you were before, a step further from true intimacy?

I think, the only way to really have true intimacy in a relationship with another, is to have the authenticity and the love to be yourself in all ways, and if you really want that intimacy, then you have to be very honest with that other person and yourself too. Then you get over your fears, and more into love....And relationships always change anyway, that's their nature.

Where did all this come from? I don't know...I think it was something to do with my views on "service" we talked about last week....

Love,
Lori


Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:10:18 -0400
Subject: Re: sundries....

Lori Tostado wrote:

 

> Where did all this come from? I don't know...I think it was something
> to do with my views on "service" we talked about last week....

 

The "Quickening" is quickening even more.

This stuff didn't come from anywhere.
It has always been a wonderful part of your wonderful being.
You just weren't verbally conscious of it is all.

We are all opening to our own inner beauty... more and more everyday.

TAO Bless You, Dear Lady Lori.

The Happy Scholar sez... "Maybe it's You Blessing The TAO... hmmm?"

Peace and Light to You and Yours,
Kenneth Broom, The Happy Scholar
   7th level Old Scholar/Server, Observation, Acceptance, Idealist,
   Emotional Part of Intellectual, Impatience/Stubbornness
aka I.A.M. Research,
Columbia, Maryland, USA


Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:49:31 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: Re: sundries....]

Hi Lori,

I saw you at the first AMT conference, in November, but we were never introduced. Yesterday I became a member of the Spiritweb Michael Teachings list. This is my first posting, so hello to you all (assuming this Reply makes it to Spiritweb).

Marianne Williamson is the author of several best selling books for the metaphysically inclined. I believe the foundation of her teaching has been The Course in Miracles. I have read one of her books and seen one of her videos, both of which were on male and female issues and relationships. Recently I heard that she had become the minister of a Unity Church. Almost surely you could find her books in any metaphysical bookstore, and probably in any large bookstore. I would be willing to bet that she also has a presence on the Internet where you could track her down and find out more about her.

At any rate, there have been a few stray postings to the Michael Teachings list of the Spiritweb lately on the subject of sacred sexuality. This, and Lori's comments on honesty and intimacy, provides me with an opportunity to introduce myself to this forum. I have been a student of the Michael teachings since 1980, and sacred sexuality happens to be one of the avenues for my spiritual growth in this lifetime. I have written a book manuscript that I am willing to share freely with other students. It is titled, "Making Love", but it has a lot more to do with Michael's version of the spiritual path toward agape than it has to do with sex. There is some emphasis on the dynamics of intimate male-female relationships, and on "energy transfers" between the chakras and centers of the two genders. This is not a picture book or a manual of tantric practices. Parts of it explain some tantric experiences in terms of the Michael teaching (and the RA Material). You will not find this information the least bit stimulating if you only experience sexuality as satisfaction to the body and personality. My explanation of the subject will be meaningful only to those whose souls have chosen to experience growth and intimacy and bliss via this particular avenue in this lifetime.

Phil Wittmeyer


Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:24:48 -0700
Subject: Re: sundries....

 

> I saw you at the first AMT conference, in November, but we were never
> introduced. Yesterday I became a member of the Spiritweb Michael
> Teachings list. This is my first posting, so hello to you all (assuming
> this Reply makes it to Spiritweb).

 

Hi Phil -- Welcome to the list. And thanks for writing! :^)

 

> Marianne Williamson is the author of several best selling books for the
> metaphysically inclined.

 

Thank you for the info. I'll check that out.

 

> At any rate, there have been a few stray postings to the Michael
> Teachings list of the Spiritweb lately on the subject of sacred sexuality.

 

(PJ--there *was* a reason that you were sending your sacred sexuality posts here as well. LOL!)

 

> This, and Lori's comments on honesty and intimacy, provides
> me with an opportunity to introduce myself to this forum. I have been a
> student of the Michael teachings since 1980, and sacred sexuality
> happens to be one of the avenues for my spiritual growth in this lifetime.

 

Me too.

 

> I have written a book manuscript that I am willing to share freely with other students.

 

I'd love to see it.

 

> It is titled, "Making Love", but it has a
> lot more to do with Michael's version of the spiritual path toward agape
> than it has to do with sex....... Parts of it explain some tantric
> experiences in terms of the Michael teaching (and the RA Material). You
> will not find this information the least bit stimulating if you only
> experience sexuality as satisfaction to the body and personality. My
> explanation of the subject will be meaningful only to those whose souls
> have chosen to experience growth and intimacy and bliss via this
> particular avenue in this lifetime.

 

It's funny--I was thinking the other day, how PJ's "mistaken" posts brought up some things I'd wondered about--exactly what you're telling me exists--a book now on sacred sexuality in a Michael-ian kind of context. I think before this the only things I've really heard Michael talk on sex about is that we don't get enough of it (or should I say, allow it? or give it to ourselves?) and that there were some basic differences between the soul-ages and their views on sexuality, and their experience of it. That last part I remember hearing Steve Cocconi channel on one time, the soul ages and the development of the soul, and how sexuality develops through lifetimes of experience into a form of really being at one with another person, such a sacred, intimate union expressed in this way....I think that was the "old-soul sex," (though I don't think it's necessarily limited to old souls, nor even achieved by all old souls either) and I was thinking at the time, yeah, that's what it was I was looking for, then.....And I wished someone would write a Michael book on the subject! It's much needed in this western still-repressed society.... I think Joya Pope wrote a bit about it too, but not in great detail.

It seems people take the Michael information sometimes and think that they must find their essence-twin in order to experience this sacred sexuality and such, and I find that desire frustrating, because it's not just your essence-twin you can experience a total oneness with this way.... Well that is another topic even.

Oh and I forgot to say, in my last post, that isn't it amazing how the truth, whatever it is for you at the moment, really does make you free? I would like to always be able to thank a person for being honest with me, even if it does hurt, (on things that matter), because it shows they care....

Thanks bunches!!!
Lori


Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:27:08 -0700
Subject: Re: sundries....

 

> This stuff didn't come from anywhere.
> It has always been a wonderful part of your wonderful being.
> You just weren't verbally conscious of it is all.
>
> We are all opening to our own inner beauty... more and more everyday.
>
> TAO Bless You, Dear Lady Lori.

 

Thank you Ken, :) :) You're such a sweetie!!!
And a Beautiful Being you are also....
Namaste,
Lori


Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:09:49 -0500
Subject: Re: sundries....

Hi Phil! I didn't get your message yet...just read the response from Lori. Sure glad you're here.

Love and Laughter

Jeanne (Ft. Worth will never be the same, right?)


Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:44:09 EDT
Subject: Animal Rights quotes

Here are some important quotes I discovered. More and more, I really don't believe a person can be complete spiritually until they have addressed some of the issues surrounding animal rights. Everytime we take that bite of steak, we are all "Nazi's" in a symbolic sort of way. The holocaust continues, but now it's on a different front.

"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being." - Abraham Lincoln

"To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious that that of a human being." - Mahatma Gandhi

"Our task must be to free ourselves...by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty. " - Albert Einstein

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages." - Thomas Edison

"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they look now on the murder of men." - Leonardo Da Vinci

Dave - "Living cruel-free is not a full-time job, it's a way of life." - Animal rights organization


Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:28:56 EDT
Subject: Re: sundries and sex

Welcome, Phil!

I read Phil's "Making Love" some years back. I don't remember much, but I liked it. Phil also had a manuscript on what he calls the Process - Aspect System, which relates the overleaves to dimensionality concepts. It was a very interesting try at getting farther into the nature of things than the Michael channels have gone before. I bet Barry would really like it.

On sacred sex....it's wonderful that the chain bookstores now carry lots and lots of books on this general subject. I think of how many couples must be having just a huge change in the quality of their lives when they discover these ideas and put them into practice. Then they go out in the world with a big warm glow that lightens up the rest of us. This is a trend that's having a big positive impact on consciousness.

I've noticed another sea change happening the last couple of years especially. Spiritual people aren't talking so much of "end times" ascension outta here and having to be celibate to ascend as per old style religions. Now they want to bring down heaven into this earth, being physical, with a partner/mate/lover with whom they share intimacy in the deepest ways. I like this change, too.

Love, Ed


Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:39:22 -0500
Subject: Need Some Input re Website Software

I've been searching the Web looking at software for Site Building and would like some input from any of you who have used some of the available software. Has anyone used Netscape Communicator? I understand that Microsoft Front Page (not sure of the exact title) is for Newbies. Morgan Skye suggested Adobe Pagemill (she uses a Mac). Need some input so that I don't end up having to buy several different programs to get one that will work for a total neophyte. E-Mail me at home if you have any ideas. And yes, the choices so far are Website first. However, as I said before, whatever "new" information and articles are added to the Website will also be sent to those who, for whatever reason, want a straight newsletter.

Love and Laughter (from the speedball express with the 56K modem)

Jeanne

5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination;
Passion; Pragmatist; Self-Dep/Arrogance/
Intellectual Center, moving part


Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:16:57 EDT
Subject: Re: Need Some Input re Website Software

Dear Jeanne -- In the big chain bookstores which have the biggest selection of magazines, look for the PC Novice guide called Web Sites. The whole PC Novice series are very,very good, full of substance. (www.smartcomputing.com) In the Website issue they have thorough reviews of about 10 website programs (or HTML editors), several being free and quite good. I have Netscape Communicator. It's free now and worth downloading the whole thing.

Note, there is a part of Composer (Netscape's website design part of Communicator) called "Website Design Assistant" which is another download. I tried to download it but botched up the process so it was lost. Now Netscape's Smart Update system thinks I got that program so there's no way I can "really" get it.

Love, Ed


Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:33:57 -0500
Subject: Celestine Prophecy

I saw the man who wrote the Celestine Prophecy interviewed the other night on television. I was surprised that the book was total fiction. Or was it? I have the book on tape and when I came to the Insight in the vegetable garden and the author put his index fingers together and watched the energy move in "strings" as he separated the two fingers, I had to try it. If you haven't done so, experiment with it. I now use all ten fingers, and I can see the expansion of the lines of energy. I even see some faint color. It's a fun exercise. Thinking and directing your energy to plants is fascinating too. Try it and let me know what happens. I had some very nice experiences giving my energy to plants.

Love and "Magnetic" Laughter

Jeanne

5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination;
Passion; Pragmatist; Self-Dep/Arrogance/
Intellectual Center, moving part


 


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