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THE POSTS: Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 02:07:30 -0500 John Macchietto wrote:
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ROTFL. Hilarious. No apologies needed. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 02:41:17 EST Here are two Q and A's submitted from this list for Michael to answer (for my web site at http://summerjoy.com). All the best, Q. Has anyone ever asked Michael about Antarctica? What is beneath all that ice? Was it ever inhabited? Was it tropical before the shift that put it at the pole? A. The Antarctica has been tropical before pole shifts. There is not much beneath it that we are aware of. There are some well-preserved animals and plants, but we doubt that they will be excavated in your lifetime. Q. How does prayer work? Who/what hears prayer, and how are events set in motion? I have had the experience of asking for what I want and letting go of it, and two months later getting the "phone call from out of the blue" that answers - so it wasn't ME who did it. Also, I'm coming to believe that prayer has to be phrased carefully, because modifiers aren't heard, just the essential thought. For example, if you pray for something NOT to happen, it tends to happen! Then there's Larry Dossey's theory that we really ought to restrict our prayers because we can't forsee all the consequences, and in fact, the only prayer necessary is "not my will, but thine." A. Prayer might be seen as a focused expression of intention, how you wish to direct your power to manifest. Most of the time, such power is diffused; prayer directs it so that it can be effective. Once you focus your intent, your essence and guides have a vehicle through which they can operate to help you manifest what you see as being in your highest good. If it is not truly in your highest good, they sense this and just leave it alone, but in many situations, there are several ways to "skin a cat," and so they are willing to go along with whatever you direct--you are the "captain" of your team. If there is an urgent need and you pray intensely enough, you make known the need to a larger circle of guides and therefore pull in more help. However, it is possible to operate in such a way that the needs are known without "shouting them to the heavens." When you live in continual spiritual awareness and connection, you see a need, direct your power into it, and that automatically alerts your team when more "juice" is needed for it. When you pray to God or a higher power with a purity of intent, in other words, with a desire that the highest good be served, you open yourself to receive more clearly and purely than you might normally. It is like a channel getting pure information about love when normally, he doesn’t function in such a clean way--his momentary intent opens him to a higher state. Opening to God can help you transcend self-centeredness. "Not my will, but thine" is useful when your will is going against the grain. However, when the specific choice is neutral (it doesn’t matter one way or another what you choose), or when you are the one in the best position to direct things, "Not my will, but thine" can be an abdicat ion of responsibility, forcing your guides to do more work or decide for you. "God" isn’t interested in telling you what to do--you are here to grow up so that you can see what is needed and take necessary action. However, before you have mature discernment, you are wise to take some guidance from your guides and essence. A good way to appr ch this is to do your best to see what is needed and to ask for it, but with the proviso that if there is something better or more appropriate, it is your intent to be guided in that way. It is true that you are not consciously aware of all factors and therefore cannot necessarily intellectually figure out the best course, but if you are in balance and have your intuition operating properly alongside your intellect, you will usually know what is best. Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:28:11 +0200 The way I understand it is that it is rare for simultaneous incarnations to meet, but if they do, the younger in soul age one is facinated with the older one and the older one is usually bored with the younger one, but there is usually excellent report between them nonetheless. Mmm excuse my ignorance but this has me somewhat confused. If it is the same essence how can its simultaneous incarnations be of different soul ages? I am also confused about how simultaneous incarnations affect past lives. If my essences has several other incarnations at present are my past lives really only 'mine'? Elizabeth Ferreira Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 02:58:12 -0800
| From: Elizabeth Ferreira
Simultaneous, in this usage, means in the same physical plane timeframe. Essence experiences lives in "life order", and soul age increases in the same way. But lives can be experienced in any physical plane timeframe (not necessarily in chronological order). So just because two lives are in the same physical plane timeframe doesn't mean they are necessarily near each other in life number, therefore they are not necessarily near each other in soul age. Cheers, Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 03:27:27 -0800
| From: Elizabeth Ferreira
You could say your past lives are your essence's, which is, of course, you. Your essence is the sum of all of its experiences, one of which is your incarnation (and any other concurrent incarnations) as well as all past and future (from the perspective of this timeframe) lives. Cheers, Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:47:33 -0800 John Macchietto wrote:
> > Pardon my French, but it seems to me that if the two become lovers, it
Oh that's OK. This is definitely one way I can see that you could get
definitive verification that the other person and yourself are the same essence!
Because, if you are, then you'll both go blind! -- Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:49:24 -0600 Yes, Lori, But I think the blind part only happens if it's mutual masturbation. What a bummer. John Macchietto Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:52:43 -0600 Elizabeth Ferreira wrote:
> The way I understand it is that it is rare for simultaneous
Elizabeth, I am aware of different opinions of Michael channels on this. Some say simultaneous incarnations can't happen, others say it does. For myself, I'm undecided, but the way it was explained to me is that essence can travel back in time since time is not liner in the other planes of existance. So, for example, if you finish up your Old fourth lifetime from 1950 to 1999 (dying in 1999) you can travel back a few years and have your first Old 5th lifetime when you are born in 1948. It makes for interesting parallels I'm sure. I asked about this in a personal channelling session and was told that the reason essence would do this is if it wanted to really study a particular time period. This way it could have several incarnations to study the 1900s for example, instead of just one or two. John Macchietto Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:41:55 -0600 (CST) This recent thread about simultaneous incarnations has reminded me of an old
question I have had. Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:57:15 EST dear John -- About the karmas of the different incarnations......it is said that for each lifetime the essence sets up in advance a scheme of particular karmas and agreements that it wants to do. This is generally mostly or all coordinated with the other essences involved who want to experience their respective sides of the karmas or agreements. The essence sets up a time and place and parents that suits the plan and then the incarnation happens. The essence and the other ones involved generally do what they can to pull the strings so that the people meet in the physical plane. They will usually feel a strong urge (which they often can't explain rationally) to take whatever course of action the karmas and agreements want done. Of course some of them don't get done, so the essences will try again later sometime. Note: the essence doesn't normally set up the life with the intention of either a) handling ALL the past karma from before that life, or b) "whatever the cat drags in" of karma. There is usually a specific plan based on the essence's past experience and knowhow as its own karma manager. So concurrent lifetimes, since they are usually set up in different places, are probably going to have mostly different agendas for karma. There are accounts in Michael and elsewhere of different concepts whereby an essence fragments itself into portions, in the sense that it sets up clumps or clusters or groups of incarnations. Each group runs a separate string of karma, etc., based on its own earlier-in-the-group lifetimes and separate from the other groups' activities. However the details of this concept might be, in general it resembles the scheme whereby the Creator or Tao divides into separate portions, which divide again and again at different levels, and later recombine enriched by all their separate experience. Someone else looking at what we call "essence" might be seeing some slightly larger grouping instead, like a cadence. All the best, Ed Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:29:19 EST John asks how many essences are here, with 6 billion incarnated. This is one of the better questions that Michael hasn't dealt well with yet. In Seth Cohn's channeling (which was mentioned here a few weeks ago) that question was asked, and Seth's Essence had an answer, but it isn't the last word. The big question is, where did the hundreds of billions of past younger soul lives take place? Just giving 100 to each essence now incarnate, and a lot more for those not incarnate at the moment, certainly adds up! One possibility is a parallel universe scheme where there were lots and lots of parallel earths which each had a few million (or some appropriate, relatively small number) of infant souls living primitively. These many parallels would continue, or perhaps gradually merge into a smaller number with mostly baby souls or infant and baby; and continue gradually merging into a smaller number of parallels with an older mixture of souls like in our past history; then merge more and more into fewer parallels somewhat like where we are now -- and everything merges together sometime soon? Perhaps many of these hypothetical parallel universes were mined by nasty extraterrestrials and suffered catastrophic earth changes because the overall consciousness level was low. Then maybe people with those experiences in the past, but in another parallel, remember them clearly here but can't find any physical evidence. When I speak of parallels, I am conceiving of physical universes that are slightly different in a dimension that we can't perceive here. It would be like just ever so slightly different on the radio dial. If there are parallels in the sense that the Orinda channels speak of, i.e., a branch at each major choice point, that would work as follows, I think: We might be in a million or a billion or however many adjacent parallels of the kind I speak of above. Probably the number is limited. Each of these universes has its own separate reality but they fairly closely resemble the ones nearby. When an essence's personality in a life faces a major choice A or B, the essence manages (somehow) that perhaps A is done in 100 million parallels and B in another 100 million, or the numbers could be different if essence in its knowingness chooses so. Later the choice of AC or AD happens, and maybe the essence allocates 50 million parallels each way. Then perhaps AC has a three-way choice of ACE or ACF or ACG and essence divides the original 50 million among the three. Then these divide further with later choices. Maybe when another essence is involved they would have to collaborate. So if John marries Susie, they might agree to be married in 20 million adjacent universes and not married in the rest. Maybe they don't collaborate, but each individual universe goes its own way according to personality's choices there. Feedback??????? All the best, Ed Hamerstrom
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:25:44 EST Dear John -- About my ideas on parallels -- Michael hasn't confirmed it, just remember that. I'm just speculating. I had an idea like this. Imagine you have a cable TV remote and you have it scanning through all the channels in sequence, round and round. Essence could have a similar way of operating. I'm in channel 28 and another me is in 29, etc. This me in 28 is unaware of the existence of 29 and 27, etc., Essence cycles through them all at its leisure. Essence is outside of time. Essence can devote special attention or more attention to the personality in some of the channels, if the personality asks for more contact or if essence is especially interested in what's happening. Thus essence gets to experience all the different variations of possibilities of choices, while each individual "me" is focused on only its own parallel universe and is unaware of other ones normally. (Because the system is set up that way by essence.) Sometimes in unusual cases we may pick up information from other parallel "me"s by a communication across or through the boundaries that separate the parallels, however that works. I would speculate that many vivid dreams or visions of disasters come to us from actual events in parallels, and that this is allowed to happen by essence because essence would just as soon we not repeat the disaster scenario in this parallel. More feedback from anyone???? All the best, Ed Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 03:04:45 -0800 Interesting theories, Ed. Thanks for posting. Cheers, Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:34:40 -0600 Hello all. On Saturday, April 25th, there will be a Michael group session, talk, and BBQ at our home in Fort Worth. I will be introducing some new information as well as channeling for the group. This get-together has been motivated by a visit from Jeanne, who will be coming from Missouri, and we will have about 10 Michael students and friends (so far) in attendance. The channeling and talk will probably go from about 2:00 to 5:00, with food and drink to follow. This will be a fine opportunity to meet new and old friends, as well as to see what a great BBQ cook my warrior husband is :) If you would like to join us, please contact me for more information. Caris Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:57:51 EST Below is an interesting little snippet that I found on an "Emily Dickinson" mail list. Obviously, the topic of poetry is irrelevant to the Michael list, but the topic it addressed is intriguing. The author draws an analogy between slavery and vegetarianism. I'm wondering if Michael has ever discussed if our views on the consumption of meat will radically change in the next century, in tandem with the expanded awareness of the Young soul - Mature soul shift currently transpiring.
I'd like to draw another analogy: vegetarianism in the 20th century. I believe it's not impossible that in 150 years meat-eating will be as ethically unacceptable in much of the world as slavery is today. If this were to be so, would it then be justified for early 22nd-century critics to deplore a 20th-century writer's failure to oppose meat-eating?
Dave Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:14:59 EST Dear Ed, Your ideas about parallels are clear and very interesting, and feel right to me. All the best, Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:27:07 -0500 Ed: You wrote:
One possibility is a parallel universe scheme where there were lots and lots of parallel earths which each had a few million (or some appropriate, relatively small number) of infant souls living primitively. These many parallels would continue, or perhaps gradually merge into a smaller number with mostly baby souls or infant and baby; and continue gradually merging into a smaller number of parallels with an older mixture of souls like in our past history; then merge more and more into fewer parallels somewhat like where we are now -- and everything merges together sometime soon?
Sounds like you've been reading way too much Michael Moorcock!! Seriously, I've thought this forever. I just can't seem to explain it to anyone. Bravo for making it clear. I never thought of using the old points on a line (or somewhere in space) to describe the possibilities. Gina (Mnemosyne) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:29:30 -0500 Ed wrote:
> Dear John -- About my ideas on parallels -- Michael hasn't confirmed it, just
To keep the analogy going: suppose instead of cycling through the channels, Essence has like a video wall consisting of a single video receiver for each of however many human fragments it has extended. Through some kind of spiritual technology Essence experiences everything that is going on in each of these video units. Now the kicker is... that Essence can, if it wants to, influence whatever is happening in each, any, or all of these video units, although it rarely does. Some kind of technology this... eh? :>)#
> Thus essence gets to experience all the different variations of possibilities
Maybe this is a "signal leak" between one channel to another channel. Somehow I sense this to be a kind of resonance between the connected/parallel "me's" or universes. That is for a short time they both are vibrating the same nature of their event at the same fequency, for want of better terms. This seems related to something I've been calling "Event Dynamics". It goes something like this: Every phenomenon/event in every reality has a series of characteristics (I don't know what they are yet... maybe related to galactic astrology or something like overleaves for an event) that describes the nature of that event. Whenever an event occurs that generates an essential characteristic energy at a particular frequency, and another event (even in another reality) is tuned to that same characteristic and frequency there is a resonance that sets up a connection between the two events. ...Just a deep conjecture. Don't nobody jump down my throat, now.
> I would speculate that many vivid dreams or visions of disasters come to us
Maybe Essence does not particularly want to repeat any experience, and what about premonitions that are not involving the pre-monitor? -- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:15:54 -0600 Thanks Caris for telling folks about our "Party". I call us the Midwest Michael Group and we're going to have a "Mini Michael Conference". I am really excited about going to Ft. Worth and putting faces to new found friends, and since Caris extended the invitation, I'd love to see some of you "up close and personal". (I think Jim McKay of ABC Sports is a simultaneous "successful" me.) Seriously though, if you can't make the big conference in California, we think this is going to be fun. Love, Laughter and unbridled Excitement :-)) Jeanne Holley 5th Level Old Sage/(in the Party MODE) Priest ET; Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:48:54 EST Dear Ken -- About the image of the video wall, I've had that one as well, but that was the image of how essence watches all the different individual lifetimes (personalities) at once. Then I guess each "video monitor" equivalent on the wall has to display all the parallels. Then I wonder how my one-channel-input scholar essence could ever deal with all that! All the best, ed Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:09:59 EST Dear Gina -- Who is Michael Moorcock? (Honest!) I still have a problem with parallels in that the physics folks don't seem to be able to explain them in a nice simple concrete way. I can imagine they would be incapable of detecting them with any sort of instruments, so it's left to sci-fi and channeling or far-out theorists to describe them. Also the process of parallels merging and splitting doesn't seem to jive with physics. I could speculate that maybe the overall number of parallel channels available goes up and down with the overall cosmic cycles of light and dark. They merge in the times of At-One-ment (like we seem to be hurtling toward) and split into the most channels in dark eras. Does that make any sense? I hope someone who channels Michael well and can handle the physics overview might come up with a much better version of all this! All the best, Ed Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:22:06 -0500 Ed wrote:
> Dear Ken -- About the image of the video wall, I've had that one as well, but
Yeah... them too. I guess... something like that...
> Then I wonder how my one-channel-input scholar essence could ever deal with all that!
You know what... this makes me wonder how... Yeah... I wonder too. My mind is starting to boogle, er... boggle. How does essence keep track of all this... Is there a parallel to this in our earthly experience? What is the mind of essence like? Does essence even have "a" mind? Maybe it's got something even better than a mind. Mind... not brain... mind. Essence has an Essence... like the bigger fish do. Is there a unity to the minds of a cadence or of a cadre or even of the TAO? I'll have to... Geez... I "know" what we're talking about. You know it too. We all know it. or are we even suppposed to know this stuff while still physical? It's got something to do with our regaining the physicality of our 10 lost DNA strands. Knowledge and wisdom will soon come. I keep trying to engage this while still human. Maybe I need to turn on the higher centers. Hmmm. Such are/were the free form ramblings that precede illumination. I love you guys. Thanks for the questions and the sharings. -- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:45:00 EST Dear Dave -- I agree with the snippet writer about those of the future looking down on us meat-eaters now. I think the change might accelerate faster, though. James Lovelock of the Gaia Theory fame was quoted as saying at a conference in the late '80s something to the effect that the single most useful invention science could come up with would be a virus that would wipe out the cattle population. It was said in jest, but to me it shows a very true point: just how much of what's out of balance ecologically on earth connects with cattle. We ruin vast amounts of land (after cutting down or burning the forests), the baby-soul socieities have constantly gone to war to get more grazing land; we all get tremendous health problems from overdoing animal foods, and they make the young souls more aggressive in their young-soulness, too! All the best, Ed Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:02:18 -0800
> I would speculate that many vivid dreams or visions of disasters come to
I asked Michael how many parallels there are and he said infinite. I
have had bleed through from other parallels that come through as feelings that
don't connect with this parallel. Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:07:57 -0800
> I'm wondering if Michael has ever discussed if our views on the consumption
Michael said in coming years there will be less interest in meat. I
don't remember any elaboration done on the subject. Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:34:09 -0500 Caris, Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 02:01:43 -0800 Regarding our recent discussion about paying back karmas in parallels, I ran across this when cleaning up some old files. It's from the AMT BBS and I think it might be of interest.
Re: Karmas in Parallels
Aren't the nuances interesting! Cheers, Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:51:30 +0100 At 15:51 29/03/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi Christine (real name or a "mask"???)
A bit of both! It's legally changed (long story).
> from another midcycle Mature artisan-cast scholar!
No, I'm entity number five, cadre one, greater cadre 44, pod/node 804 (I haven't even begun reading about the greater cadres or pods/nodes yet!). Thanks to various people for the welcomes! I'd intended to post more by now, but I'm moving in 2 weeks and am suddenly running out of time to get everything done. Best, 3rd level mature scholar / passion / acceptance / spiritualist / moving -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:51:21 +0100 At 03:45 01/04/98 -0000, you wrote:
> Dear Dave -- I agree with the snippet writer about those of the future looking
Plus the amount of cattle we raise for meat significantly increases the amount of methane in the atmosphere, and the no 1 cause of river pollution in the UK is slurry from factory farms. The industry also a massive waste of water. In "Michael for the Millennium" someone asked if there was any "spiritual" reason not to eat meat, and Michael said no. Presumably meat eating doesn't create karmic debts in the way slavery did (and does), but personally I think there are many other reasons to avoid it. Most of us dislike outright cruelty to animals after all, and the conditions most meat animals are raised in are appalling. Christine 3rd level mature scholar / passion / acceptance / spiritualist / moving part of emotional center / second cast / cadence number two -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:08:16 -0500 Ed, In addition to all the metaphysical/spiritual/really weird stuff I read, I also indulge in science fiction and fantasy. Michael Moorcock wrote a series of novels about an Eternal Champion, who incarnates or sometimes simply moves from one time stream to another in an effort to balance the forces of Law and Chaos in the multiverse (this place is just chock full of possibilities). I don't know how many novels there were, but the entire series has just recently been re-released in a series of 15 volumes. It's great fun to read, and the big themes, questions are right in front of your face. It's funny that I happened to pick up the first volume about the time I subscribed to this list; I just finished the 5th volume, and the Champion actually met 3 other incarnations of himself in one of the stories. It seems quite synchronistic (oh, that's another list) that I should be reading this particular series of books at the same time that this thread on parallel time lines/universes, etc. appears on this list. FYI - Moorcock wrote most of these books in the 60s & 70s. So, if you're into sci fi/fantasy, you may want to give it a go, although the first book is not as well written as subsequent ones (great ideas, just not well written). As to the rest of your post re: physicists not being able to explain parallel time lines, etc. - what they are doing today would have been considered sorcery 150 years ago, so give 'em a break. I'll bet there are a lot of them out there who can "see" the concept in their minds and hearts ... and developing the tools to measure, quantify same is just a few lifetimes away. Although it's a lot of fun to speculate and try to figure everything out now, I've got "time" to see how it will all turn out. How about you? Gina (Mnemosyne) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:25:53 EST In a message dated 98-04-01 04:54:27 EST, you write:
> I would speculate that many vivid dreams or visions of
Hi I have beem mostly reading. Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:20:57 +0100 I meant to post this as part of my last message, sorry for the superflous posting!
>| On another topic, as this is my first post to the list I feel I should
I'm not sure... I'm a member of entity number five, cadre one, greater cadre 44, pod/node 804. This was channelled through Sarah Chambers. I still need to do a lot of reading of various other books - at the moment the Quinn Yarbro ones are the only ones I've raed (and I'm still searching for "Michael's People).
> Also you didn't mention your ET - Artisan perchance?
Scholar, but my task companion as an Artisan (and there seems to be a good chance we'll meet, though we haven't yet). Best, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:56:06 EST Hey Michael devotees Has anyone read the latest Michael entry? I just picked it up at Barnes and Noble, and it's entitled "Confessions From Michael." It's a fascinating read. Many of the chapters are prophetic, including shocking probabilities that as the evolutionary process develops, primates (gorillas) will evolve into infant soul sentient creatures that will ultimately dominate the planet, and that the human race, largely an old soul consciousness by then, will not have the inner resolve to stop them. There was also mention that humans might be used as a food source for the fiendish primates. Obviously, this draws a chilling parallel with that old sc-fi epic, "Planet of the Apes." Who knew how it would one day foreshadow a possible real world event. In addition, there was a chapter that the middle east, mainly Iraq, would continue their research into bio-chemical warfare, and accidently discover a chemical agent that would rejuvenate dead cells in tissue. This horrific technology would allow Iraq to create foot soldiers that could be killed, yet would be capable of being revived to fight another day. I shudder at the horrific implications of this new prophecy. Also, Michael stated that it's own entity will continue to evolve, and to reflect this transformation, he now feels that his/their name should be changed to...Fred? Anyway, the book is called "Confessions From Michael." I hope you all enjoy it. Dave Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:22:57 -0800 Oh yeah! And the part about in another parallel, the asteroid gets us! Just like in the movies. Hey Dave, I get it! Lori :^D Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:23:12 +0100 At 19:56 01/04/98 -0000, you wrote:
> Hey Michael devotees
As soon as I started to read this, I thought "That's funny, that doesn't
sound like a Michael title" - I mean, can you imagine Michael "confessing"?
> Also, Michael stated that it's own entity will continue to evolve, and to
I enjoyed it immensley, thank you! :) Christine -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:06:59 -0800 Dear Michael-listers, I want you all to know how wonderful it's been having and meeting friends like you here. You've all been like a great support group to me and I'm so glad of the things we share here. I need to ask you a favor. I've posted before about how I looked into finding my birth mother who gave me up for adoption when I was born and how Ed Hamerstrom and Carol Shaeffer who I met at the AMT conference last November, inspired me to find my b-mom Sheila. It's been wonderful to find her and I feel it's been a very healing emotionally/spiritually for both of us. I can't thank you guys enough for pushing me in this way before it was too late. I always had hopelessness about it because all the readings I'd ever had done they'd told me she was probably dead already. Well she's not. Not yet, but we don't know how much time she has. Last week Sheila finally told me something--she has cancer, and it's really bad--she even feels it in all her lymph system. Her husband and I are being very supportive and trying to help her out all we can. I can't tell you all the reasons why she never sought treatment, but after having seen what happens to people on chemo/radiation with cancers like hers, who die from the treatment which was worse than the disease, I guess I can't blame her. Her husband and I though, after her finally telling us, are getting her some help. He's into herbs and I got her some Essiac tea mix which she should receive soon, and I thought, she's gonna need a miracle if she wants to live. I know we choose and that even though the chance is slim, she can still choose life! I thought, where do I know of a healer? The next day I remember Joya Pope had told me about Mother Meera, in Germany, the Infinite soul.... That afternoon I got a whopping big old check in the mail for excess money our mortgage company had for us! I hadn't expected that, but I took it as a sign we could use the money for plane tickets! Sheila hasn't decided whether to take me up on the offer or not yet, but I hope so. I think we can help her with the spiritual and emotional stuff this way, and the herbs and her own desire to live will determine if the physical healing will follow. God, I hope so.... So anyway, I just wanted to ask all of you to please send a prayer, light, healing energy, or whatever it is you do, her way. She really needs it. I am so thankful I found her, no matter how much time we do or don't have, because at least now we know each other, and won't have any regrets....I get pretty choked up since I find it hard to believe she's dying on me and I just found her!!! I still have hope and won't give up! Thank you and much love, Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:18:37 +0000
> I thought, where do I know of a healer? The next day I remember Joya Pope had told
Of course it's her choice whether she accepts your offer or not, but I will send some energy her way. When the Mother Meera, Sai Baba, etc thread was going on I searched out the Mother Meera web sites, and proceeded to repeatedly kick myself in the ass. I spent two years in Germany in the mid 80s, fairly close to the community where Mother Meera resides. If I had only known...
> So anyway, I just wanted to ask all of you to please send a prayer,
Try detaching yourself from the situation (yeah right!) for just a little bit, and ask what the purpose of this situation is. There is probably a reason that you found her at this particular time, but it may not be for the reason you think. Hang in there, girl! Sending some energy your way too. John Rogers Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:26:38 -0600 Lori, We are here for you in any way you need us. I send you Spiritual White Light and for your Birth Mother I send love and comfort and I will visualize the "right outcome for her", whatever that may be. Love wrapped in White Light,
Jeanne Holley Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:32:10 -0600 Christine wrote:
> I'm not sure... I'm a member of entity number five, cadre one, greater
Welcome Entity Mate. Though I am a Sage, I am also 1st Cadre/5th Entity. (Walt Disney Entity and Emily Baumbach says Ewoks). Nice to find family around. Jeanne Holley Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:35:27 EST Dear Lori -- IMHO the single most important factor in whether someone recovers or dies is more than just "desire to live". It is more a matter of do they have something important still unfinished that they want to do. Sometimes such a purpose might be bogged-down or even forgotten, and when they remember how much they wanted to do it, it can provide great animation. What I'm saying, BTW, isn't personal to her. I don't know anything about her life plans and I'm not saying anything specific about her as a person. Your mother could have a "miraculous" recovery if she at a really deep level decided she wanted to. To get to that place she would have to bypass the deeply imprinted beliefs which people usually have that "miracles" don't happen or at least, not in this neighborhood. She would also have to stop creating the higher level scenario which provided for her to get this illness for whatever reason her essence allowed it. Both of these are fairly major hurdles for most people to get over but she might be able to and you should work on this. Envision her being able to deeply hold these ideas: ***** That she can recover if she wants to. Miracles do happen. When a saint appears to heal someone, all they are doing is facilitating the person doing the healing by their own power and will. A saint can't heal someone when the essence doesn't wish it. So she as both essence and personality needs to want to be healed. ***** That there are really good reasons why her essence would want to keep this life going here and now. This is a time and place that ETs from all over the universe are watching with utter fascination and often envy. There is plenty for her to do. (You could ask her what things would she really like to do with her life if she were to recover.) ***** For her to recover she will almost certainly have to discover when she first made a decision (at some level, not ordinarily consciously of course) to create the illness. People make important decisions like that and the effect is like a machine that keeps running indefinitely creating the decided-upon reality. The only way to stop the machine is to remember that one created it in the first place. Then one can decide to turn it off. [She may have decided years ago. It might have something to do with regretting giving up her child. There are all sorts of reasons, and you have to see to it that she gets this work done!] ***** She'll have to understand that the God that answers prayers is her own essence, not some distant old man in the sky or whatever. Corollary: one's prayers are always heard and there's no need for theological complications or doubts. I'd highly recommend talking with someone who teaches the Avatar course and pick their brains. (See www.talamasca.org -- probably the best all-around Avatar site.) My belief is that anyone who would be your mother is pretty cool. I want her to stick around. I want her to show that she can do it, aside from everything else. Much love, Ed ***** Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:50:04 EST In a message dated 98-04-01 20:41:15 EST, Jeanne Holley writes:
Welcome Entity Mate. Though I am a Sage, I am also 1st Cadre/5th Entity.
Join the crowd. I'm also 1st Cadre (3rd in Shep's sys)/5th Entity. Dave Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 01:10:24 -0800
| From: Ed Hamerstrom
This is from my notes at a Michael group session in January 1997 - Within about 20 years an Artisan will develop an algea-based food Cheers, Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 03:20:44 -0800
| From: Jeanne Holley
Well not really. Christine is in Greater Cadre 44 while you are in Greater Cadre 2. Cheers, Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 03:21:05 -0800
| From: Dave Gregg
Add one more to the list. Cheers, Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 03:21:23 -0800
| From: Dave Gregg
Heh! And the pub date was April 1st, right?
| Many of the chapters are prophetic, including shocking probabilities
Don't laugh at this one - it is already happening. From a group session in November 1995 - The current cycle we are in will be the last for humans here. The Remember the child who fell into a gorilla cage in a Chicago zoo about a year and a half ago? I asked about that at the next Michael session in September 1996 - My questions had to do with the event at the Brookfield Zoo in
| that will ultimately dominate the planet,
Not covered...
| and that the human race, largely an old soul consciousness by then, will
Entirely possible! Cheers, Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:21:36 -0600
| > Welcome Entity Mate. Though I am a Sage, I am also 1st Cadre/5th Entity.
Me too! JP has channeled an astonishing amount of entity information recently. I am lucky enough to have a copy of the list that shows all the 'blocks' or groups contained in entities and much other information. Jeez! I hope this gets published soon since it is packed FULL of incredible stuff. Using this information, I know that I am: It is your number within the entity (mine is 83, see above) that puts you on a square within your entity, and you just look at all the blocks, jobs, columns, etc. to find out more about your particular energy information, as created by your position within the entity. This information says so much about the flavor we come to any lifetime with that I feel it is valuable in pinpointing why you are certain ways that our overleaves, imprinting, etc. cannot explain. Incidentally, another channel had channeled my number, and that one put me as Scholar casting - which I 'knew' to be wrong. I tried to get a feel for what my number might be without asking the M's, but had no success. Then one day while I was doing a session for a client, the M's said to me, 'your number is 83'. I looked at the chart and that ol' truth sensation zinged. So there you have it - lots of great stuff coming through. Caris Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:31:03 EST Dear Caris -- Has JP gotten any more info about "wild cards" since the conference, or named any of them besides me? She channeled me as being #3 wild card, between #12 and #13 in the 3rd entity. Love, Ed PS -- I posted a pretty good description of the new system of the 3-sided entity structure in this list which would be in the archives late August or Sept. last year., if anyone wants to look it up. Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:02:01 -0800 (PST) Re: Post-No.: michael-teachings-l/1998-04-02/1270 (digest-marker) Hi, Michael Listers, Since a few of you bumped into "cookies" messages while trying to get to the Overleaf Database I thought I'd post something that might add to your fund of knowledge about cookies. Aloha, Morgan Sky Marriage is like a cage; one sees the birds outside desperate to get in, and
those inside desperate to get out. Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:28:43 -0500 Caris wrote:
> JP has channeled an astonishing amount of entity information recently.
Dear Caris, This is very interesting, and rings deep and true with me. Back in the late 70's when I had my overleaves channeled I found that my entity has a subgroup called "Truth", one called "Healer", and one called "Love". I know there are many other "common interest groups" there, but I didn't have the presence of mind back then to ask about them.
> It is your number within the entity (mine is 83, see above) that puts
(in a litle kid whiney voice) I wanna see! Please please can I seeee? :>)#
> This information says so much about the flavor we come to any lifetime
Man, I am "zinging" right now. Caris, we all know this stuff already. This is the new stuff that Michael talked about in Shepherd's book "The Journey of ...". They said that there is more to the Overleaves if we just asked the right questions. I guess JP asked the right questions. I can't find it right this minute, but I clearly remember reading that statement and wondering about it.
> So there you have it - lots of great stuff coming through.
I... can't... wait. CF of Impatience. Uugghh. Thanks for the info, Caris. -- Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:29:03 +0000 Hi Lori, Another way of looking at this situation is that your mother could now be facing the 6th internal monad, bang on schedule according to her life plan. But then, your requests for supporting her to recover may also be part of that plan. Hmmm. I guess it's all valid, whatever we do at times like these. B a r r y Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:36:34 +0000 Hi gang, Never mind the April fool's joke, how's this for a titter. I did a search in an online bookstore for "Michael's People" the other week and look what came up (all true). 1. Michael's Wife What a dark and secret life this causal entity must be living. Our Michael certainly gets about, but at least its all being well documented for us Scholars! B a r r y Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:13:13 -0600
> | > | Christine wrote:
I wrote:
> | Welcome Entity Mate. Though I am a Sage, I am also 1st Cadre/5th
Dick wrote:
> Well not really. Christine is in Greater Cadre 44 while you are in Greater Cadre 2.
Oh boy, here I go again. Does that mean that Christine is in a different
first Cadre (?). I know, I know, I am working on the Math, and I do love
Scholars (since I have a Scholar casting), but I don't have a scholar brain for
the math.
> Cheers,
And tears, Jeanne :-)) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:16:31 -0600
> | Join the crowd. I'm also 1st Cadre (3rd in Shep's sys)/5th Entity.
AHA! I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. ONLY RELATIVES WOULD PICK ON ME LIKE THIS!!! I feel better already. Love and Laughter :-)) Jeanne Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:24:31 -0600 Caris, Emily told me that my casting order in entity was within the first 25%, probaby 67th. If you've seen the pyramid, which side does that put me on? If you haven't seen it, like Ken, I'll just have to wait until it hits the bookstores. Love and Laughter and Eager Anticipation for the 25th. Jeanne 5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination; Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 07:38:14 +0800 At 04:26 AM 3/31/98 -0000, Ed wrote:
>Dear John -- About my ideas on parallels -- Michael hasn't confirmed it, just
Me thinks the above analogy is a bit too linear. In the sense that Essence can take care of things "one at a time". Our minds usually work that way (and definitely our computer processor chips), switching tasks continuously, juggling several projects to keep them going. But our minds need not work that way, though that is the easier to manage and understood method. When we experience, we experience with our whole being. When we process the sensory inputs, we process them with our whole being, not just the mind. Since we, as incarnate fragment, can *be* without being linear, it is just logical that our essence can experience different fragments simultaneously, without having to "task-switch" in "time-sharing" fashion. Hope I'm making sense.. :-) Regards. J J Tan Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:45:35 EST
| Welcome Entity Mate. Though I am a Sage, I am also 1st Cadre/5th Entity.
Dick Hein responded:
>Well not really. Christine is in Greater Cadre 44 while you are in Greater Cadre 2.
I'm not sure that Sarah and I are using the same numbering system for greater cadres, or what Michael calls cadre groups through me. I'm waiting to see more in writing on this to clarify. BTW, Dick, who was the channel of the gorilla information? All the best, Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:52:00 -0800
>Maybe when another essence is involved they would have to collaborate. So if
Ed, Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:54:44 -0800 J J Tan wrote:
> In the sense that Essence can take care of things "one at a time".
Yes, yes, this makes perfect sense to me. I totally agree with what you said. It's always emphasized to me that we should not expect Essence to be linear like the physical plane. We are multidimensional beings. Essence is timeless. Lori Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:13:42 +0000 Lori wrote (clipped):
> It's always emphasized to me that we should not expect
Oooh, this topic gives me a brainstrain. So then can somebody help me reconcile these ideas with the fact that Michael once told me that the reason I'm in Flow is because the two lifetimes before this one were particularly rough, and I wanted a rest. If *Essence* is timeless, and *egos* are discarded from lifetime to lifetime, what exactly "wanted a rest"? Love always, Dean Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:29:31 EST In a message dated 98-04-03 15:08:17 EST, Dean writes:
If *Essence* is timeless, and *egos* are discarded from
Yes, that's one aspect of the "relaxation/flow" goal I've always wondered
about. You would think that one could merely "relax" in the astral plane for a
specific period of time if a break from a previously busy past life was truly
required. Why waste a lifetime being a sofa spud? Dave Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:23:30 -0600 J J Wrote:
> Me thinks the above analogy is a bit too linear. In the sense that Essence
I was doing a meditation recently and asked my Essence to allow me to see it. I began receiving a vague image of a spherical shape made up of hundreds of diamond like facets in ruby and gold shades. I felt that Essence was saying that it (I/We) is more than I could fathom while on the physical plane. I know Lori has seen her Essence and I wonder how many others of you have also had this experience and what you actually saw. Jeanne Holley Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:52:20 -0600
> Caris,
Jeanne, Number 67 puts you thusly: Truth side Does this feel right? love, Caris Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 18:53:30 -0500 Dean wrote:
> Lori wrote (clipped):
You as a not-yet-fully-absorbed extension of Essence wanted a rest. You as you perceived yourself wanted a rest. The "timelessness" of essence basically means that essence is not "limited" by time. Essence still can perceive time if and when it wants to. You, between incarnations, lose your old ego and your old personality, but you do still maintain your selfness as Role in Essence. -- Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:56:14 EST In a message dated 98-04-03 18:41:15 EST, Jeanne writes:
I know Lori has seen her Essence and I wonder how many others of you have
I've tried asking for images of guides and my essence a number of times. My guide finally appeared in my mind with a zany visage that reminded me of "Doc" from the movie "Back to the Future." I'm serious. He later popped his eyes out as if they were dangling on springs, like a cartoon character who is attempting to show intense surprise. The feeling I got from the experience, was that my guide thinks some of my spiritual interests are silly. Though, considering I have a goal of relaxation, perhaps my guide was merely saying, "Lighten' up, Dave. " My essence appeared to me as a character I can only describe as looking like "Friar Tuck," and then later as a pulsating pint of Ben & Jerry's. Thus, as far as I can fathom, like my guide, my essence likes to make light of my spiritual endeavors, or perhaps just enjoys teasing me unmercifully. I suppose I'll have to ask a channel about this someday. :-) Dave Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:41:08 -0500
Jeanne Holley wrote:
> [clipped]
I saw him/it just now, enveloping my physical body with its diaphanous robed body about 7 feet tall. I am inside of its body, and yet can see though its body to the physical world. This is new to me. I think I'll work with this for a while. Thanks for asking such a good question, Jeanne. -- Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:00:05 -0800 Dave wrote:
> Why waste a lifetime being a sofa spud? So I've always assumed that a
Dave, I'd invite you to consider that the goal of "stagnation" may be more than just a sort of recess period from the schoolroom of life. In a society like ours, where a predominantly Young- and Mature-Soul population races about doing a great deal, fixing things, and judging inaction inferior to action in nearly all instances, the goal of "flow" marks out a particularly difficult life path. Just coming to recognition and acceptance of such a goal takes many years, and may never happen. Ironically, in this culture, an individual whose goal is "stagnation" is going more against the flow than just about anyone else. In the original books, the positive pole of "stagnation" was called "suspension," which is actually a very dynamic state, requiring a good deal of fine tuning. The slip from suspension into the negative pole of inertia may happen many times a day. The secret I have begun to learn, at the age of 42, is that joy and compassion are the active, dynamic forces capable of holding me in a state of suspension where nothing "needs to be done." Cultivating those forces is the work of the second half of my life, and though the prospect is wonderful, and the roses do indeed smell terrific, this lifetime has been far from a game of kickball on the playground. Anne Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:04:01 -0800 Hi all, Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 23:01:49 -0500 Kenneth, and others! Somehow I missed the mailing which told us how to open the Overleaf Database entries. The address I went to was the Database Web page, but I am unsure how to progress any further. I also appreciate the information regarding cookies--although I am not sure if I understand what a cookie is or how they can be attached to a hard drive. Could someone please send more information to us novices. Thanks Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:06:48 EST In a message dated 98-04-03 22:04:40 EST, Anne writes:
Dave, I'd invite you to consider that the goal of "stagnation" may be more than just a sort of recess period from the schoolroom of life.
Well, I believe I mentioned that a goal of relaxation might be a lifetime focused on inner processing, rather than external, moving centered activities. And I know from personal experience that my inner world is indeed a very active one. Of course, this is a highly subjective observation, as I'm certain a goal of relaxation can mean many different things, depending on the personal agenda of essence. So despite even the sometimes exhausting task of inner processing, I would still physically equate a goal of relaxation to a person who typlifies the designation of your garden variety "sofa spud." And I can offer indisputable testimony (of course, it's my own opinion ;-p) that there are permanent indentations on my sofa that outline the tired shape of my body.
Cultivating those forces is the work of the second half of my life, and though the prospect is wonderful, and the roses do indeed smell terrific, this lifetime has been far from a game of kickball on the playground.
Personally, participating in a game of kickball sounds a tad exhausting to me. I'd much rather WATCH such a game, while sipping on a refreshing fruit drink, and basking in the company of scantily clad women who adoringly toss pickles at me. That's not to say that my mind wouldn't be a whirlwind of activity during such a process. ;-p Gotta love them pickles... Dave :-) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:18:08 EST In a message dated 98-04-04 00:09:53 EST, Mike writes:
I hang out with a group of friends on the astral plane who wear pastel robes.
Yikes!!!! Pastel robes??? Perhaps you should worry about the friends you keep on the astral plane. I realize that enlightened beings aren't required to be supreme Gods of sartorial design, but pastel? Hmm...now I know why my astral friends tend to always appear to me as innocuous blobs of light. ;-p Dave Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 00:46:59 -0800
| From: Caris Turpen
I am skeptical of this new information, partly because I can't envision it without some type of graphical representation, but primarily because it seems to be in disagreement with what is currently accepted as valid (first mentioned in the Michael Math chapter of »More Messages«, and described quite well in »Journey« IMO). The new information seems to completely disregard the influence of Role, whereas according to »More Messages« we are cast by Role. The resulting influences are significant "from the bottom up" - fragment within Cadence, Cadence within Greater Cadence, and Greater Cadence within Role in Entity.(§1) If this new information is compatible with what has been known before, which IMO is valid, its validity needs to be considered. Until that time, or until the old information is effectively refuted, I'll hold the new information to be an interesting possibility. BTW Caris - did you ever get your "raw" number (your fragment position within your Role in your Entity)? That is the only way I know of to identify your Cadence mates. According to Michael, the Cadence relationship is a very important one.(§2) Cheers, [--------------------===============<*>===============--------------------] §1 - --- M2 = »More Messages From Michael« / Chelsea Quinn Yarbro (OOP) In marking quoted material, the marks »text« represent italics. They will usually surround those portions containing the lesser amount of material. Occasionally they will demark italicized material within the quote. The following table shows nominal markings for each title - M2 = Michael »Other« === Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 00:47:23 -0800
/ From: Jeanne Holley
Yes. She is in the 1st Cadre of Cadre Group 44 while you are in the 1st Cadre of Cadre Group 2 (I used the wrong terminology before - generally a "greater" something is 7 of them while a "group" is 12).
/ I know, I know, I am working on the Math, and I do love Scholars (since
Shepherd's writeup in »Journey« is excellent IMO. The largest hierarchical grouping he documents is the Cadre Group, which is 12 Cadres. Each Cadre consists of 7 Entities, each containing multiple Roles. Casting by Role is in groups of 7 fragments, called Cadences. Cadences are grouped upward in Greater Cadences (7 Cadences), then multiple Greater Cadences in the Role (not a fixed number as the number of fragments per Role is not fixed). New information documents groupings above Cadre Group (pod/node), but I don't have any info WRT that.
/ It's just that sometimes I'd like to take you Scholars out to play for
Heh, good luck!
/ Oh well. Sorry Christine. Love You anyway.
:-/ ---
/ From: Jeanne Holley
Sigh... :^) Cheers, Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 01:02:09 -0800
| From: Jeanne Holley
??? Cheers, Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 01:43:05 -0800
| From: Shepherd Hoodwin
Hmmm. After reading this I went back and checked the original post from Christine and see she did use the term "greater cadre". In a followup I assumed I grabbed the wrong term and went back to "cadre group" not thinking there might be two numbering systems. Sigh... But as I said in another post, I intend to hold the new information at arm's length until it resonates with current info.
| BTW, Dick, who was the channel of the gorilla information?
Alma Perez. Cheers, Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:46:24 EST Hey, Thanks in advance, John Clarko Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:52:40 EST My experiences with what I think was my essence were:
1) a huge golden sphere that was very energetic. That was when I was inside
it. John Clarko Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:57:51 +0800 Barry McGuinness wrote on 2/4/98 10:44 pm:
>Hi gang,
Erm, are you the "Michael" above are not the archangel variety? J J Tan Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:27:11 -0600
BTW Caris - did you ever get your "raw" number (your fragment position
Dick, While I understand your reluctance to quickly accept "new"
information, I think you might also run the risk of putting aside accurate and
valid information because it did not appear in the original books or is not yet
available in published form. The M's remind us all of using that 'truth' bell.
As to your question above, the number I mentioned in my post, "83"
might be what you refer to as a raw number - what I know about it is everyone in
an entity has one particular number (that I have refered to as 'assigned
seating'). The other numbers in my cadence are 78-84. We are all part of the
Artisan Block, on the Truth Side, and are all in the Sage/Communicastion Row.
#78 would be refered to as #1 in my cadence. I am #83 and that puts me as #6 in
my cadence, therefore Priest casting. Numbers above and below me in the chart
are also Priest casting. The whole entity is structured in areas of 7..... 7
blocks per side, 7 rows per block, 7 columns per block. Other Priest castings in
my Artisan Block are #'s 55, 62, 69, 76, 83, 90, and 97. However, I am a King
and I have no idea as yet if there are other Kings in my cadence. I would not be
surprized if there were not, but I don't know yet. all the best, Caris Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:21:04 EST Dear Kathy -- I would bet we will continue to see a substantial increase in suicides for a few years, maybe longer. There are so many mature and old soul kids who lack the fear of death that was so widespread in past years and darker times, and some of them will decide to do suicide not so much out of despair, etc., as a combination of things including "making a statement" or some sort of idea of sacrifice like Jesus. Of course these might be thoroughly crazy things to do and not what the essence wants, but the stew of readily available beliefs and ideas that are around now includes a lot of possibilities like those above. With traditional fear-based religion virtually gone from the younger generation, so much more is available. Then I think each of these suicides has quite a transformative effect on the people around, just like what you've described. I see a lot of the positive side of it. A suicide like you describe may have more beneficial impact on some of the more solidly believing Christians than their accounts of Jesus, because the suicide is here and now and close to home. I think suicides are going to be dramatically prevalent in the Bible Belt area in years to come. We should probably come to terms with it in advance. I'm going to post this to the board even though your original message wasn't, since I'm getting a strong hit to do so. Love, Ed Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 19:12:11 UT
<snip
I experienced my essence once during a yoga meditation. This was a life-changing experience for me (I was 20) and set me on my spiritual search to find a teaching that would confirm it - which I finally found when I read "Messages from Michael" 20 years later. At the time I knew - with a deep, unshakeable knowing - that this was my "true soul" and that it was eternal and separate from my body, my sex, and my personality. I experienced it as a bluish-silver globe with silvery energy radiating out from it. I was high for days after this and have sought it again, but it's never happened. I suspect that I was given this experience to help me keep going at a point in my life where I was very close to NOT going on . . . In contrast, my guide shows up in dreams as a young, cocky, blond man, often literally as a mountain climbing guide or a river-rafting guide. Kind of a know-it-all and wiseass, actually. Sounds like others have a similar experience! But I've also had him/her/someone else? show up as a loving Native American woman, usually during guided meditation experiences.
<snip> Well, I believe I mentioned that a goal of relaxation might be a
I've thought or hoped that a relaxation lifetime would be like taking a vacation trip to a place you usually go to work in - say, like visiting New York City just to see plays and eat knishes, instead of trying to make a living there. -----<--{@ Jody Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 14:41:12 EST I want to add to caris's description of that new model -- this is the same info I referred to last fall, and which JP presented at the November AMT conference. I don't know what additional information they may have gotten since then, but this is a good start: Here is how it goes. Try sketching or visualizing it as it goes. Cadre groups are called "energy rings". Imagine a ring with 7 x 12 = 84 sections. Each section is an entity, each group of 7 is a cadre. The #1 entity of a cadre connects smoothly to the #7 of the next cadre so there are no breaks or discontinuities. #1 entities are red, #7's are violet, and the others correspond with the intermediate rainbow colors. The whole ring has a triangular cross section. Imagine a three-sided pipe. It isn't clear whether the three sides are flat or curved. The model was made by Lani Allen with flat sides. Each side has 7 x 7 x 7 = 343 small squares (in the model) representing the different essences' positions. There are 7 large blocks of 7 x 7 = 49 of the small squares. The large blocks, the rows within them, and the columns represent important casting elements. Caris named them, but I'm not familiar with the details of the names or how they all corrrespond. The "raw number" or "number" is arrived at as follows. One of the three sides starts with #1 as the first cell at the top left. Counting across that row has the numbers through 7. The next row down has numbers 8 through 14. This row is the second row, so those essences are a cadence group with a #2 influence. The next row down holds #15 through 21 and is a #3 cadence, and so on through row 7, cells 43-49. Then we start into the next one of the seven large blocks on that side of the
triangle. If you divide any of these numbers by 7 the remainder will be the vertical column number which corresponds to cadence position. This is the strongest of the three casting numbers in our past understandings; I presume it still is. The second side of the triangle has the "raw numbers" 344-686 in a similar arrangement and the third side has 687-1029. JP said that about 15% of fragments are "wild cards" which attach to this structure between two adjacent cells. The nature of their connections with the other essences is different from those in the regular positions described so far. Michael made clear when someone asked that these rows and blocks are NOT made up of solid groups of the same role. (This differs from the Yarbro books.) Also, we choose roles before we are positioned in this structure. The top row #1 through 7 will be next to the bottom row 337-343 of the adjacent entity, and likewise for the other two sides. There is one more complication to the structure, and you might need to draw this to see it. Each entity is a section of the triangular "pipe", and 7 x 12 = 84 of them form a ring. But each entity has its three sides staggered. I guess it's like laying bricks in an interlocking pattern to hold them together better. The #1 large block (cells 1-49) touches two sides of the bottom of the entity above. The #1 cell will have as its neighbor to the left someone at the right end (#7 column) of one of the two bottom large blocks of the entity above. People in the #7 column will have as their neighbors to the right someone in a #1 column of the bottom part of the entity above. So the #1 and 7 large blocks connect with two sides of the entity above or below and the #2 and 6 large blocks connect with one side of the entity above or below, while 3,4 and 5 have their own entity on both sides. [This is similar to the description of soul age levels where 1, 2, 6, and 7 have some attention or energy in the past cycle or the next one ahead.] Within all this structure people have important connections to the four fragments who are adjacent above, below and on each side. JP channeled additional information about how the chakra energy structures of the individuals connect to these four neighbors. There are two more important connections through one's back to the corresponding people on the other two sides who have the same positions on those sides. There are probably other connections with people of similar positions in other entities. As of November JP had not gotten any information at all about how essence twins and task companions relate to this structure. This is all pretty simple if you can just see the triangular cross sections with staggered ends interlocking with the staggered ends above and below. I wonder, as my speculation on all this, if the rings might not be part of a spiral instead. All the best, Ed Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:05:34 -0600 John wrote:
> My experiences with what I think was my essence were:
John, I find that very interesting. I was not inside because the sphere only stayed a short time, but was multi-colored and multifaceted (I mainly saw gold and ruby), but I felt so strongly that I was being told something about the "depth" of Essence. And I might have had a clearer vision if I had been meditating for a long time, but I have only begun to really be able to get beyond my "Ego" and all of those little pinpricks and itches that seem to occur when I start to meditate. Love and Laughter :-) Jeanne Holley Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:34:16 -0600 Caris, Thanks for the explanation and thanks also to you Ed for the further explanation. I've been working with Barbara Taylor's puzzle (I went and bought crayons today, felt like the people on the Tony The Tiger Commercials) and in order to really begin to understand, I'm going to draw the pictures. Imagine starting to learn "Higher Math" (Michael humor) at my age. But seriously, I appreciate the assistance. The more I know the more I will be able to understand myself and those who are important to me. Love and Laughter and keep your hands off my crayons! :-) Jeanne Holley 5th Level Old Sage/Priest ET;Discrimination; Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:08:16 -0600 Sorry Dick, That was a reference to the Ft. Worth Gathering. Have never been with a group of "Michael" people before and I'm more than a little excited. Love Jeanne
> | Eager Anticipation for the 25th.
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:56:59 -0600 Dave, How could anyone doubt that you're a Sage. If you come up short on cookies, call Kathy Neall. She keeps a good stock of Oreos, I understand. Love, while munching my Girl Scout Chocolate Peanut Butter Delights! :-))) Jeanne
> For you novices, a cookie is a small, flat, usually sweet, circular cake,
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:06:39 -0800 Caris wrote:
Very little of this information has been published yet because of the terrific
The issue of publication is interesting and an area which is evolving. For the Michael authors/channels there is such an extremely small core audience to reach that even self-publication must not yield much revenue. Then there is an audience saturation point to be considered as well. How many authors can we support on a book by book approach? The tapes that are available are great but I find that I deal with the written work much more successfully. When I can study it, refer to it, re-read it later as I grow into it, that's when I can say that the M's have truly helped me out on this physical existence thing. The tapes, however, must be much more cost effective in that they are an inexpensive medium to duplicate. Just to look at possibilities, I wonder about things like an electronic publishing approach, say to cd-rom or perhaps even an electronic bulletin board where chapters/articles could be posted and downloaded for a fee, or on a so-much-per-minute 900 number scheme. Now, I know that the general objections are things like how easy it is to just pass files about and have hundreds of quickly printed copies floating around, but the same is true of cassette tapes. Actually, I can dupe a tape faster than I can print out files. The A.R.E. (the Edgar Cayce foundation) has long had the Cayce Readings on disk or cd-rom and haven't seemed to have had a problem with pirating. Granted, the cd's contained the entire Cayce library of 14,000+ readings and cost around $500 for several years, but I'd have thought that the high cost would have contributed to a piracy problem and yet it didn't. To be realistic, where profit is concerned, I have to admit that I've bought most of my Michael books from Half Price Books. Which is nice for Half Price, but gets no $ to the original author. I suppose the biggest issue is how easy it is to lift written work in the eletronic medium with the ever so simple cut-and-paste approach, and copyright protection and prosecution could quickly become a nightmare. I get frustrated because, as a sage with heavy duty scholar influences, I'm always on the lookout for MORE INFORMATION. That a lot of it never reaches me because of the prohibitive cost of publishing is annoying. Take, for instance, one of this week's posters who found all kinds of "Michael" books, but not the CQY Michael's People. That's because it's OUT OF PRINT. What this means is that your only avenue for this resource is used book stores (and, to be more specific, used book stores on the west coast -- like that's handy). You can write the publisher about getting it back in print -- sure, I did. All I got in response was the standard shipping clerk "this book is out of print" notification. (I eventually got a copy of this book from a mail order lending library and had to just copy down by hand a few things that were pertinent to me at the time.) There will come a time when destroying trees for paper has to stop and electronic publishing will be the rule, not the exception. I'd sure like it if it would start with the Michael community. Any suggestions/comments, fellow posters? Kathy. Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:45:31 EST
Number 67 puts you thusly:
Dear Caris, Is there something in print or on tape about this new material. I'd like to learn more about it. Re: Essence needing rest The part of essence that incarnates can get worn out, drained, disoriented, whatever--this is quite evident in communicating with people who have passed over. Even without a physical body, one can become depleted or strained. I, too, have wondered why someone doesn't just do his/her rest on the astral plane, but somehow that places it outside the continuity of physical plane evolution and doesn't quite count here--the soul hasn't learned how to rest and relax ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE. There are many evolutionary lessons in flow: how to let go and let things happen rather than always having to make things happen, being in the moment, trusting the process of life, not having to control everything, being in movement without always knowing where you're going, etc.
My essence appeared to me as a character I can only describe as looking like "Friar Tuck," and then later as a pulsating pint of Ben & Jerry's.
My essence is a quart of Chocolate Cherry Chunk Rice Dream. Best, Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:04:49 +0800 At 08:15 PM 4/3/98 -0000, Dean wrote:
>Lori wrote (clipped):
Perhaps that's just it -- you're not expected to understand... :-) That's why you're in Flow. :-D Take a break. Kit-Kat would be nice... My opinion is that your Essence is taking this life-time to reconcile experiences of past lives. I think it was mentioned that our physical plane time is linear only to us. Essence is on a, e.g. "4th dimension" where it can travel back and forth with regard to our physical plane time. Having lives in the physical plane is like having a ring in the tree trunk -- the effect is not reversible, hence a semblance of sequencial progression (a "growth" from Infant to Baby to Young, etc.). Regards. J J Tan Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:11:52 +0800 At 05:23 PM 4/3/98 -0600, Jeanne Holley wrote:
> I was doing a meditation recently and asked my Essence to allow me to see it.
Ha! I haven't yet heard my Essence, much less see it... Regards. J J Tan Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 01:31:18 EST In a message dated 98-04-04 23:46:31 EST, Shepherd Hoodwin writes:
the soul hasn't learned how to rest and relax ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE.
Dear Shepherd As I'm a person in "flow," your comment makes sense to me. Although I find myself frequently rusting on my laurels, I have always resented it in a way. I have a feeling that I have been fairly active in previous lives, and therefore feel guilty when confronted with the prospect of doing nothing, even though it feels so right. Perhaps letting go is one of my lessons this lifetime. However, I can sympathetically imagine my guides observing the routines of my
daily existence, probably crying out with jaded sarcasm, "Well, what grand
adventures will Dave pursue today? We'll want a front row seat for this
extravaganza. I wonder if he'll throw caution to the wind and finally wash his
hair? Ah, but he's a true artisan. Look at the sculptures he's creating by
twisting those greasy strands. Dave Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 03:24:01 -0700
| From: Caris Turpen
This is true. But for some, accuracy is more important than early availability.
| The M's remind us all of using that 'truth' bell.
I don't recall having seen that before. Do you mean like a bell curve or a bell goes off in your head when something rings true?
| There are points from the Yarbro books that are currently undergoing
This is at once sad and understandable. But also see (1998-13/1330) from Kathryn Neall.
| There are, however, a number of good tapes on various issues that
Again, for some, accuracy is paramount.
| As to your question above, the number I mentioned in my post, "83" might
This makes it sound like a place-in-Entity number rather than a place-in- Role-in-Entity number, which according to original MMath is needed to determine Cadence-related casting numbers.
| The other numbers in my cadence are 78-84.
OK, now that sounds like fragment-in-Role, as the definition of a Cadence is a contiguous group of 7 cast within a Role. Your 83 is 6/5/2 in order of influence, reverse order hierarchically.
| We are all part of the Artisan Block, on the Truth Side, and are all
Right. Looking at this further I see what you call the Block is 3rd in influence in casting order, and Communication Row is 2nd in casting order. Maybe the two methods *are* compatible; I certainly hope so.
| Numbers above and below me in the chart are also Priest casting. The
There can't be according to traditional theory (definition of Cadence).
| Personally, I really love this new chart because it IS a graphic
IMO its acceptance is unlikely to precede its availability. Cheers, Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 03:24:23 -0700
| From: Ed Hamerstrom
Thanks for posting this, Ed. It sounds pretty complex so I'll have to try what you suggested - actually sketching it out. Maybe then it'll make sense. As I mentioned in response to Caris' post, it appears there may be a correlation between the old, rather simple system and this new, more complex one. It would certainly make some "validation points" for me. Cheers, Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 03:24:45 -0700
/ From: Jeanne Holley
Ah! No wonder it didn't "ring in" with me - I didn't remember it because I won't be going. Cheers, Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 03:25:06 -0700
| From: Kathryn Neall
Shepherd seems to be doing alright.
| The tapes that are available are great but I find that I deal with the
Agreed.
| Just to look at possibilities, I wonder about things like an electronic
IMO the secret to non-pirating is to make whatever it is so inexpensive it's not worth the effort to copy it. A CD-ROM can be made in volume for about $2-3 per disk (just the disk, not the jewel case or whatever else goes into production and distribution).
| The A.R.E. (the Edgar Cayce foundation) has long had the Cayce Readings
I would guess it's more a lack of interest, and the up-to-recently relatively high cost of CD-ROM duplication.
| To be realistic, where profit is concerned, I have to admit that I've
Is this a used book store? I can't envision selling new books where *no* remuneration would get back to the author.
| I suppose the biggest issue is how easy it is to lift written work in
Again, I think large-scale copying and distribution would not occur if the cost for legitimate copies was reasonable.
| I get frustrated because, as a sage with heavy duty scholar influences,
Agreed.
| Take, for instance, one of this week's posters who found all kinds of
I agree that something needs to be done. It is a great disservice to the community to have existing information not available for whatever reason. One assumes that the reason M2 (»More Messages«) and M3 (»Michael's People«) are out of print is someone made the decision that it would not be financially rewarding to print new copies. But what kind of volume would that need to be? How many students are there who would kick out how many $ to get a copy? Would that be enough? I think the CD-ROM idea is the way to go - relatively cheap to produce, transport, and store (small physical volume and light weight). Heck, I would buy both (*any* Michael book on CD-ROM) just to be able to search for sought-after material. Ideally the printed book would come with the corresponding CD-ROM packaged in the back as is done with many technical computer books (their CD-ROMs contain programs, not text of the book). This would provide the traditional and very useful printed copy for casual reading and reference, and the CD-ROM copy to search and excerpt. Cheers, Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:59:58 -0400 I and several of my friends have discovered that during an incarnation if you want rest then "TELL" Essence or Entity or even TAO that you desire a few days' rest, or for however long. You will get it. Please notice that I use the word "TELL", not the word "ask". We as human fragments are so given to surrendering to something bigger and more powerful than we perceive ourselves to be that when we contact something or someone that we perceive to be greater than ourselves we automatically give a great chunk of our own wisdom and decision making power over to them. And so often we do this un/sub consciously. We as human fragments have been taught by some of our brothers and sisters, who consider themselves experts on what's best for us, to give in to a higher authority and to have faith in what we're being told. Even those of us who feel we are too "advanced" to be doing this still tend to perceive ourselves as being on the short end of the stick with Essence or Entity or whatever on the other end tugging at us to do what it wants us to do regardless of what we feel we need. Where is our personal power? Where is our personal sovereignty? Essence is not a whip-cracker unless we choose, voluntarily or involuntarily, to see essence in this role. Even as incarnate human fragments we are still fragments of our entities. We all still have the same powers we had when our consciousnesses were centered in our Essences. We have had our major senses shut down and are left with only those that were felt to be useful in a physical world. Who did this to us...? We did this to ourselves. And are still doing this to ourselves and our children. Some of us, as human fragments, were told that we must give in to a higher power that was then defined for us as being something that was jealous and to be feared. Others were told that we must incarnate millions of times in order to get off of the wheel of life and death. And still others were told that if you don't do what the authorities said that you would be condemned to some kind of living hell. And still others were told that if you kill a body in God's name that you are guaranteed a place in what is called heaven. The point is that it is your choice as to what to believe and live by, and what not to believe. You know, it doesn't really matter whether we were told this verbally or not. That kind of vibration is in the air we breathe and in the hearts and minds of our loved ones. We were and are subject to it whether we like it or not. The idea that we cannot "TELL" God, or Essence what to do is part and parcel of our modern upbringing. And because of this we have neglected to forge our lives into the way we would like our lives to be. We can tell the Universe anything. And, to a greater or lesser extent, it will it be done. Creating is automatic with us. We cannot not create. We create with our every thought, word, and deed. Whether we want to or not. So why is it we don't manifest what we desire to be in our lives? Some of us choose to blame essence. Many of us come from backgrounds that did not allow the kind of personal sovereignty that provides for creating what you want. Many of us were chastised when we tried to exert our personal sovereignty and power on our own behalves. So... the bottom line is that "WE ARE GODS... ANYWAY." Yes. Right now. We can choose to behave like the Gods that we are, and tell the Universe that "Hey, I desire a vacation from all this growthful stress." and we can choose to shuck off everything that seems to want to control us, and thereby set ourselves free to be what we've always been, and to grow in happiness and joy rather than in fear and frustration and weariness. Even more, instead of a rest period or vacation, we can choose to live "permanently" free from growthful stress. Essence seeks physical experience via our lives here on earth. It never said anything about wanting us to experience pain and discomfort and tiredness. This latter is our choice. Hey, the Chief Feature is to keep us paying attention to the game, not to kick us out of the game. Remember "All is choice." We can choose to grow fast and easy, fast and joyfully, fast and weary, fast and "ah man, not again!", slow and easy, slow and problematic, slow and joyfully, and whatever way we as full inheritors of our essence abilities choose to be. Let's look into our own hearts and listen to our own voices and take note of the little things that we continually say and do to cause the problems and the wearinesses in our own lives and in the lives of others. We desire a vacation from stress. Take one. We're the boss in our life. Get into metaphysical semantics. Pay attention to our words. How often do we use the word "want" and wonder why we don't have. How often, in the face of something great, do we say "I don't believe it." How often do we use the words "not", "won't", "can't", "shouldn't", "couldn't", etc. We can tell essence, entity, or whatever how we desire (not want) our lives to be. This "telling" ALWAYS needs to be in the present. If we want happy abundance then affirm and picture (in the 1st person) our happy abundance. If we desire a challenge-free life then tell Essence, TAO, or whatever that that is our desire... for however long. You know... so much of my past pain and discomfort was immediately alleviated when I shifted to the positive poles of my overleaves. Sometimes my outer situation changed, but mostly it was my inner attitude that immediately changed. CREATE YOUR LIFE THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO BE. SEE IT AS "DONE". NOW. But, Ironhead, what's with this thingy? Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:54:27 EDT In a message dated 4/4/98 11:31:18 PM, Dave wrote:
I have a feeling that I have been fairly active in previous lives, and therefore feel
Michael's talk in my monthly study group last week was partly about the importance of doing nothing, taking breaks of daydreaming, spacing, and resting (not sleeping or meditating) that "lubricate" our days and years to let our inner selves have a chance to go into neutral gear before going on to more activity. Today, our lives are incredibly compressed, and we need these decompression periods. We'd all be a lot happier if we allowed ourselves them. I know I push myself to constantly be productive for fear of "falling behind." My chief obstacle of impatience is involved, no doubt, but I think it's more than that--it's the belief that "doing" is better than "being," perhaps a result of our male-dominated society, since doing is the male principle, and being is the female. Michael once said through me something to the effect that appropriate doing leads to appropriate being, and vice versa--they balance each other naturally. Sometimes, it is enough just to be.
Best, Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:54:24 EDT Ed wrote:
Michael made clear when someone asked that these rows and blocks are NOT
I recall at the LaVeta Michael Channel's conference in 5/96 that someone asked me to explain the three casting numbers on my chart. JP then commented about the 1234567, 1234567s she gets that determine a person's number within the entity, something to the effect that she thought that there could be the same role being cast for a while, then a new one might start midstream, even in the middle of a 7 group--at least, this is what I recall. She implied that there COULD be many cadences of the same role for a while. It didn't seem then that she believed then that every cadence was filled with random roles. Does this differ from what was taught at the AMT Conference? Thanks for that explanation of the structure. I'm starting to get it, at least a bit. Best, Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:01:55 -0700 Ed, To everyone who is trying to "convince" Dick that he should not be skeptical
of the new information: Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:04:20 -0700 -- Barbara :) "If you can dream it, you can do it!" Della Reese Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:10:52 -0700 Kathryn, Barbara Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 16:26:23 UT
There will come a time when destroying trees for paper has to stop and
A newsletter? There's good recycled paper sources - trees don't have to die. Any desktop publishing whizzes out there? I'm an editor by profession and could gladly contribute editing/proofing help. Another thought: the Permaculture/sustainability folks are pushing an idea called "Community-Supported Agriculture" where people pay the farmer up front so much money and then get a share of the crops as they come in. This way the farmer can stay in business even if the weather is bad, the locusts descend, etc. I belong to a CSA for a small organic farm locally. Why not extend this idea to books? I'd pay up front for another book that expands the teachings. There are some good options for self-publishing these days through local copy/print stores. ------<--{@ Jody Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:37:01 +0000 I entered a meditative state and asked what essence looks like. Everything became gray. And the gray became different tones of gray. From almost white, but not quite white, to almost black, but not quite black. And from these tones of gray, images began to appear. Vague images. Some almost appearing to be a recognizable object, but most not. And I heard the almost rhythmic, but somehow without rhythm, sounds of the ocean. And beneath the sounds of the ocean, not quite understandably audible, yet I was able to comprehend the whisper as, "Essence." An object flashes by. Too close to really tell what it was. Too fast. Smooth fleshy look. Not quite human, not quite cetacean. Somehow both, yet neither. Then I hear the wind in the same rhythmic, yet without rhythm, fashion. And behind the sounds of the wind, not quite understandably audible, yet I was able to comprehend the whisper as, "Essence." Another figure appears from the gray. Gray itself, but in different enough tones to be able to discern it as a lifeform. Not quite human, not quite alien. Somehow both, yet neither. A truly androgynous figure. Not quite male, not quite female. Somehow both, yet neither. The figure fades back into the gray. All of the differing gray tones fade back to the original neutral hue. And a linear string of blackening shapes begins to appear. A word? A written message? And a shape. Definitely phallic. A small bottle? Yes, I can nearly make out the message now. Here it comes. It says... ESSCENTS by Calvin Klein We now return you to your regularly scheduled False Personality. Oh. Umm... Never mind. John Rogers Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:40:58 EDT Dear Shepherd -- My recall is getting fuzzy and I want to back off from being too certain about exactly what JP said about the relation between roles and cadences. My impression is/was that it is very flexible. The process by which fragments get their roles happens before they assemble into the entity structure. (The process was analogous to light passing through a prism and coming out in different colored bands.) A fragment gets or chooses its role, however that process happens, then finds a place in the structure. There was no requirement for there to be solid groups of the same role together as in Yarbro. I think JP discussed this general subject in one of her groups, not at the conference. Dean (mrdean): do you recall any more on this from the conference? Sara Alexander might well have a clear picture of this, but she isn't online as far as I know. My impression is that a fair number of people have gotten channeled info by which they are in primary cadence relationships with others not of the same role. All the best, Ed Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:01:57 +0000 I have seen one form of anti-piracy protection that only allows you to install software on the number of computers you have purchased a license for. When you install the software, something is transferred to the hard drive that does not allow you to install the software from the floppies again. In order to use the software on a different machine, you have to uninstall, with the original floppy in the drive, and the anti-piracy code is moved back to the original disk. John Rogers Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:01:57 +0000
> I think the CD-ROM idea is the
About a year ago I found a CD-ROM at Costco that contained two Anthony Robbins books, two Paul Zane Pilzer books, an audio/read along interview with Stephen Covey, and a bunch of articles and interviews that had been published in various periodicals, but never before as a collection. I think I paid $12 for it. Less than the cost of one of the books. Yes, I think this is the way to go. Search options were available, as well printing, and cut and paste. If any of you authors care to contact the publisher: Zane Publishing, Inc. John Rogers Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:17:57 -0700 Jody,
Another thought: the Permaculture/sustainability folks are pushing an idea
This is a good idea. However, this still doesn't address the costs associated with publishing printed-on-paper work which is why I was considering other avenues. Kathy. Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:19:40 -0700 Dear Barbara, Thank you for the information. However, my point is not the inavailability of out of print books. The issue of publication costs which prohibit the possibility not only of reprints but new information as well, is the question at hand. In any arena where the pool of possible "consumers" is as small as the Michael work we need to find a more viable medium. I would find any information you would like to share on this subject valuable. Please post it to the board, or not, as you wish. Kathy Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:58:46 EDT Dear Kathy -- This is a rapidly changing world, you know (duhh!) and I think changes with publishing are going to happen incredibly fast. I think a sizable part of the traditional book industry is going to be in difficulty. Some books like textbooks, art books, field guides, children's books, and anything of good "substance" in fiction, poetry, etc., will for a long time to come need to be in physical book form because of the way the reader or user uses it. Mostly this means the user needs to be able to carry the book around rather than have it in a computer. Printing out parts from one's computer isn't an adequate substitute. Then there are a great many books, just huge numbers of them, which are printed, which don't hit the bestseller list, and are remaindered and pulped (if produced by the large mainstream publishers) or sit around unloved and unsold otherwise. Some of these are just not very good in the first place, or they are poorly designed (ugly covers, etc.) or not effectively marketed or there wasn't much actual demand for the information in the first place. Often where people might be willing to read the book, its price is set much higher than the reader wants to pay. There are many, many books which are priced at $15 or 20 or more which I might be willing to pay some amount like $2 or 3 to be able to read at my convenience, but no more. (They probably won't be in the library, and reading them in a bookstore may not be the best ethical solution.) I'd rather not pay all that extra money to have a physical copy of a book that I'm done with and don't need. If a book is so good or useful that I want to be able to have it around permanently, I'm willing to buy a copy. But most books aren't that good or useful. We get what we need from them and that's it. Maybe it's just looking at it and reading it to the point of seeing that it doesn't fit our needs and there's no earthly reason to slog through 189 more pages we're not interested in. Somehow I think e-publishing is going to explode in the next couple of years to fill the two needs: 1) for all sorts of people like us to get our stuff out there without the large investment (and usually loss) involved in printing; and 2) for all sorts of people like us to browse around and find whatever it is we feel like exploring, without having to pay way too much for it. Whether there will be a practical way to charge and collect small amounts of money is a good question, as is whether author/publishers would need to or want to. What I think would happen is that good communication will happen, networks of common interests and connections will form, and authors will get good feedback on their work which will be of more true value than the money they might theoretically make. And when a particular work is really good, this process will lead the author along the path of what needs to happen to get it physically published and marketed. About ripoffs, I don't think most of us would realistically have to worry about that. I wouldn't think it would be worthwhile to stop oneself from putting out one's good product, whatever it is, from fear of that. Maybe in a more young-soul context that would be true. All the best, Ed Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:11:03 -0400 John Rogers wrote:
> I entered a meditative state and asked what essence looks like.
Boy did you EVER get me on this one! I owe ya' brother. :>)# Beautiful stuff tho'. Peace and Light to You and Yours, Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:51:10 +0000 And just for the record, here’s my casting through Sarah C: casting = 5th in cadence Another 5th in 1st -- spooky* or what? * No pun intended Michael. B a r r y Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:52:07 +0000 Jody - great to hear of your experience. I suspect that this, plus the other references to the experience of essence, is my cue to mention something of my work which may interest a few listers. As some of you may already know, my wife and I, plus numerous others around the world, run groups called Enlightenment Intensives. These could be described as intensive Zen-like meditation retreats combined with truthful communication workshops. The sole aim is to help people have a direct experience of their essential Truth within a 3-day retreat. What does this mean, exactly? Well, as well as visualizing or feeling your essence, you can also experience the thing itself directly. After all, your essence is simply who and what YOU are minus everything that’s temporary or false. A brief direct experience of essence is what’s also known as self realization. When it occurs, you get a momentary outbreak of absolute Truth, Love and Joy into the realm of consciousness, and you recognize this as your actual Self, your very own essence -- you are consciously being that which you always are. People often weep for joy at this point, or laugh out loud! The difference it makes in your ongoing earthly life can be quire dramatic. It usually “happens” for typically 25-30% of the participants per Enlightenment Intensive, some more loudly and clearly than others. Unlike Zen, there’s no teaching or religion or discussion involved in EIs - it’s pure process and experiential work, contemplating a question like “who am I?” or “what am I?”. It’s also very hard going at times, so it isn’t for you guys in Relaxation! But for maniacs like me who combine Growth with Impatience, it’s just about perfect. B a r r y Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:50:05 EDT Imagine a sapphire sky overhead, a meadow that's a virtual explosion of poppies, and a great tree that you relax under to read the salient insights of Thoreau's "Walden Pond".......on your LAPTOP computer! Yech.... I think there are some things that technology shouldn't try to improve on. Perhaps a form of synthetic paper should be invented, but there's something special about the physical act of holding a book, and cherishing it, that could never be replaced by a computer monitor. I do agree that publishing some hard to find books on CD Rom, such as the
Michael material, is a pretty good idea, but I still cringe at the overall
concept. Though hopefully unlikely, if in the future, books were published
solely on CD Rom, I think we would see a major drop-off in the allotment of time
people spend reading for entertainment. Seriously, can you imagine reading
Melville's "Moby Dick" from the eye-straining glow of a monitor, while propped
uncomfortably in your computer chair? Dave Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:34:11 +0800 At 08:08 AM 4/4/98 -0000, Dave wrote:
>Personally, participating in a game of kickball sounds a tad exhausting to me.
Well, even _watching_ such a game feels exhausting to me... and I'm in Growth. I would really prefer some Relaxation anytime!! :-) Actually that was my guess when I first picked up books on Michael. Growth was among the "least possible". Until last year, that I got my overleaves channeled and "Growth" is being revealed. Upon reflection, I find that it makes sense... sort of. I suppose much of my imprintment is "clouding up the issue" somewhat... Regards. J J Tan Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:38:59 +0000
> I think there are some things that technology shouldn't try to improve on.
I too like books. I can't imagine curling up in a blanket next to the fire and basking in the light of the monitor while I squint at Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I do, though, like the convenience of CD ROM for the search utilities in works that I reference frequently. All of the Yarbro books on one CD ROM would be an easily do-able thing. I am sure the entire text is already in some easily convertible word processor format. Man, the more I think of this, the more I like it. Especially since More Michael is out of print. Someone call her, quick. John Rogers Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:41:21 EDT Dear Dave -- I like physical books as much as anyone, so your argument is sort of a straw man thingy. Most good books are likely to be just as they are for quite some time. But a lot of information and reading doesn't have to be in a physical book form. Sometimes magazine formats or online reading are better and cheaper alternatives. All the best, Ed Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:43:30 EDT In a message dated 98-04-05 20:34:23 EDT, J J Tan writes:
Growth was among the "least possible". Until last year, that I got my overleaves
Could it be possible that a mistake was made concerning your goal of growth? Most channelers will admit that they are not infallable. If growth doesn't resonate strongly with you, it could be that it's not your goal, or that you, perhaps, occassionally slide to growth from relaxation. It's worth considering. Dave Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 21:43:16 -0700 Dear Dave,
I do agree that publishing some hard to find books on CD Rom, such as the
I am so sorry. I've upset you, I can tell, there's not one mention of toe cheese or ice cream in your post about publishing problems. I would be devasted if books were to disapeer off the face of the planet. My intention, admittedly not clearly stated, is too find a way that the self-published authors could keep overhead costs down, realize some profit and get the information they have to thier readership. This is much more along the lines of things like the Michael work, technical journals, academic research and such. Things that would have greater value where they can be used for personal research and growth with the tools that pc's have to offer. My beloved Jane Austen on disk? NO WAY! ::::::::: off to hug all my precious books and let them know I will not replace them with cd's:::::::::::::::::::::::: Kathy. Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:37:07 -0700 Kathryn, Barbara Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:27:04 -0700 Barbara,
My only problem is finding the time to deal with
EXACTLY! If the information was available -- or any research type info -- on CD-Rom it would be indexable, database-able and quickly compileable and much more efficiently useable. Love, Kathy.
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