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Nancy Gordon


Opening Comments

Michael: WE are here. We bring a work of the mind and heart to those who are new to our teachings. We offer you a way to deal with the burdens, joys, and unexpectednesses of being human. None of you need believe what we say. Indeed, we suggest that you yourself decide whether anything that is said here tonight is 'for real'.

For those of you who are 'old hands', we welcome you also and offer these words: This is another beginning. Each time we meet, each time you pick up a book which offers our words, each time you connect with another student, that is a new beginning. Beginnings are an opportunity for growth and a greater understanding of agape. Remember what it was to begin a new school year? Excitement, concern, hopefulness? Many of these emotions can be applied to each beginning we describe here.

What you then do with this opportunity is up to you. Whether there is a past to the beginning, as there is to meeting an old friend, or whether there is only a future, as there is in meeting someone new, the beginning stands on its own. We have suggested that those who can remember their past life experiences have the chance to apply lessons learned and to skip over, in a way, some of the hurdles of this life in a more gentle way. That is not to say that memory is imperative to living. Indeed, for some of you, memories such as past life experiences may serve to paralyze you in this life. This would not be good work and we do not promote this.

Remember, each of you is a fragment, a soul, with its own make-up, its own life to live. Take what appeals to you from the past and let the rest reside in the records for pursuit on the astral. The life you are living at this moment is the one you are 'meant' to live. We repeat ourselves: No life is wasted, no life is going down a 'wrong path', nothing is lost from any life.

If a certain objective seems to be impossible, it will come around again some other time. If a particular agreement is aborted and it is important to the growth of your soul, there will be another time when it can be tended to. That is part of beginnings. We observe that much energy is wasted in the worry about AM I Doing What I AM Supposed To Be Doing? What if you are not 'supposed' to be doing anything? How would you live? What plans would you make? What decisions would you decide?

Live your lives as if there is no 'should', no 'supposed to'. You will find it is a lot easier to do this than to continually be concerned about the possibility that you have made a 'wrong' turn, a 'poor' choice, or in some instances, no choice at all. Which of course, is a choice of a kind.

Make tonight a beginning as we join together our energy and our thoughts. Make your going to sleep a beginning, a restful end and a promising beginning. Make tomorrow another beginning as you start your day. The past will take care of itself. The future is not yet decided. This hour is the now that offers its beginning. Enjoy it.

We will now take questions.


Q & A

[Jolie] I'd like to know if Michael can point out 1 relevant past life that's exerting a lot of influence on this present lifetime.

Michael: We can do this. The fragment Jolie was a lumber jack in the Canadian north around 100 years ago. This would have been two lives in the past. This male left his home at an early age and found a community in the company of others who, for one reason or another, had done the same. Attaching to this community gave the fragment Jolie/male the family sense of belonging that had been absent in his life. In this attachment he learned the lessons of generosity, loyalty, honesty, and the rewards of hard work. If the fragment Jolie chooses to examine her present life in light of these qualities, she may consider the lessons well learned and the time with the axe and the rope well spent. END

[Jolie] Thank you.

[DaveGregg] Kathryn, you're next.

[Kathryn41] Hi, Michael, What was my most eccentric/ exotic/ unusual life, at what soul age/level did it occur and what did I hope it would accomplish? :-)

Michael: The fragment Kathryn has had a number of rather eccentric or unusual lives. Choosing one, however, we would say that it was as a street clown in what is now Germany in the 15th C.

This was a part of the late young level for this Scholar's growth. In adapting to the 'being out front' requirement for this work, the Scholar experienced the life of a Sage. This was the reason for the choice, to understand what it meant to take on the 'alter ego' of another role. This experience has been a part of each life since. No fear of talking to groups, no 'stage fright' when performing before an audience, able to step into the shoes of a persona foreign to her soul. End

[Kathryn41] Thank you :-)

[DaveGregg] Wilma, you're next.

[Wilma_T] Good evening, Nancy & Michael. My question is about the relationship between the man, Doug W. and myself. Sometimes I think we're getting very close & then I won't hear from him for weeks.I'm wondering if he still have any feelings for me now. I do understand that the low odds of our being a permanent relationship, but if I knew why he does this push-pull thing, I think I could let go easier.

Michael: We have remarked on this before, that there is no permanent connection here. as such things are understood, with this fragment. It is a question of the male Douglass having no intention of a relationship that would of necessity be singular. That, we believe, may be at the bottom of the fragment Wilma's concern: that the male is not interested in a one on one connection. We would also say this: The fragment Douglass would like a less intense companion for the occasional event and the woman Wilma is projecting more intensity than he wants.

Would it be possible to treat the relationship as one of amiable companionship rather than a romantic affair? We ask this with the understanding that it may not be enough for Wilma to participate in such a connection on that basis.

[Wilma_T] I don't understand "be singular."? I care too much?

Michael: We use the word singular to mean no other strings. And yes, Wilma, it may be that you show too much caring for a man who is not able to receive that much affection.

[Wilma_T] Thank you so very much.

[Brian W] Hi, Michael and Nancy, could you please describe any talents I may have developed during several previous lives that I am unaware of in this current incarnation?

Michael: Talents are specific to the life that they appear in, but they leave a residue on the soul that may surface at a later time. For instance, one who has mastered the craft of wood working may find that it is easy to repair furniture, put up a door, or build a treehouse in later lives.

The fragment Brian has enjoyed lives in which music has been a dominant experience. He has also been a sailor, working on small crafts that operated between small ports, carrying fruits and vegetables. He has mended nets, trawled for fish, and gutted and scaled them for market. We do not know if the current personality Brian would consider these 'talents', but we can say that at the time they were much appreciated.

[Brian_W] That would explain my fondness for the ocean.

Michael: Another 'talent' that was of some note was to carry news and mechandise as an itinerant merchant. Listening to what others had to say and then passing it on was an important part of this life. We would say that listening is a very serious talent that the man Brian leans on many times in this life.

[Brian_W] Thank you, Michael.

[cylex] Hello, Michael. I was wondering if I am meditating correctly and if there are any vital messages or suggestions from my guides or you? I would like to know how long should I be using the FIRST MUDRA and how long should I be using SECOND MUDRA?

[NancyG] (What is your name, please?)
[cylex] Radheshyam Bhatt

[NancyG] (Are you a Michael Student?)
[cylex] yes
[NancyG] (Thank you.)

Michael: Meditation is a very individual experience. There is no right or wrong way to meditate if it takes the soul into an altered state. Therefore, we would say that the meditation of the fragment Radheshyam has been fruitful to a point. The First Mudra is intended to put the soul in a state of appreciation. The Second Mudra may then build on that with the intention of opening to knowing more about the self. They are only sequential because this it the way masters teach them. They may be used intermittently and undifferentiatedly at any point that one or the other seems appropriate for the time.

[cylex] What about for the purpose of being able to channel, which one should I use?

Michael: The process of meditation is useful as a tool for quieting the yammering of the mind. Whatever style or manner that works for this objective is appropriate. We do not define a particular conduit for channeling our energy. If the energy of a human is tuned to us, we can use that connection to transmit information. We would have to ask who or what the fragment wants to channel.

[cylex] I would like to channel, to meet my spirit guide or some higher being... :)

Michael: Are you asking whether you can channel in the abstract, or are you asking if you can channel a particular entity? We suggest that you make your intention before going into the meditative state and let things take their course.

[cylex] Am I capable of channeling in this life?

Michael: Yes, you have the ability to connect with your guides, if they are your preference.

[cylex] Thanks, Nancy and Michael. :-)

[DaveGregg] Bobby, you're next.

[Bobby] From your perspective, would you offer a little information about the Vimana of ancient India such as time period, what they were, where they came from, who engineered them if they were real?

Michael: The Vimana as they are called were a hunting group with addiction to an herb that when smoked caused interaction with the mystical world. As time went on, they faded from the history of the Indian subcontinent, but were remembered as beings, rather than as a people. They originated in the steppes of the Asian continent and we would say this was about 3,000 years before the common era. They were not part of the oriental groups of further east.

[Bobby] I just remember reading/hearing about something referred to as "flying machines" with that name, Vimana, from that culture.

Michael: The 'flying machines' were kites that were something like those of the ancient Incan peoples. They were used to allow very few people to guard themselves against invaders. These were leather affairs and could hold a man aloft for as long as the warm currents blew. Useful when they left the steppes and entered the northern mountains of India.

[Bobby[ Was the herb usage considered recreational?

Michael: The smoking of herbs was used as a mind-altering event. We would say that it allowed them to establish connections with the astral, much as the smoking of similar but different herbs did the same for the Indians of the North American southwest.

[Bobby] Thanks, Michael and Nancy.

[DaveGregg] Hao, you're next.

[hao] Hello, Nancy and Michael. This is Hao Zhang. I have a question about a teaching named The Human Design System, which was given form by Ra Uru Hu (born name Alan Robert Krakower). I'm not quite familiar with this teaching, but it seems to be a quite complex system blending astrology, chakra/axiotonal line system and traditional Chinese teachings like I Ching into one thing. I'd like to know your comments on this teaching, on aspects such as its validity/genuineness and its capability of providing information about the make-up of the personality (like the natal chart in astrology) and about the current trend regarding the personality (like the transit and progression in astrology).

Michael: There is always a kernel of truth in any form of information that is not patently false. This is not meant to be a distinction without a difference, but we would say that this Human Design System is one of these aggregate teachings that draws, as you say, on several different ways of communicating truth. This is a common tendency in the age of your planet and the culture of the western peoples. Those who are looking for more of a reason to be human and who have little basis from which to judge the validity of what they find are the very ones who keep these 'teachings' going. Combinations that extend through so many valid systems tend to diminish the truths they contain and so become a mish-mash of gruel for an infantile personality.

We do not say that those who are attracted will not profit from what they learn. We do say that care is the important element here. When we say Validate! Validate! Validate! we are reminding you all that if it rings true for you, then it probably is. If it does not, then it very likely isn't. The more experienced the soul becomes in the teachings of a true master, the better able it is to judge these systems.

[hao] Thank you so much!

[klee] Is the Michael Teachings a form of a lot of spiritual beings coming together? Is this a form of many spiritual beings working together for us?

Michael: We are an entity of 1050 fragments/souls who reside on the Causal Plane and who have chosen to come to the planet Earth to impart a teaching that we believe will aid human beings in their journey through the cycle of lives. We were once human as you are and we have experienced all the joys and sorrows that you do. Therefore we believe that we can offer a kind of map of the journey through the Physical Plane that makes that journey less of a blind undertaking.

[klee] Beautiful! That's what we need. Do you you need us who have found this truth to help others make it to you? How would you like us to help others find this way?

Michael: No, we do not expect that you are our army. (Michael is grinning.) We offer a teaching, that is all. What anyone makes of it is up to the individual. Everyone of you will complete your cycle of lives and will do this with or without our teaching. Those who are attracted to our teachings usually find us on their own. There is really no need to advertise us, as such. And we also say this: There are millions of souls who are now extant on the earth who have never heard of us but who live lives commensurate with our teachings. That is the validity of truth, that it just IS. All we are trying to do is uncover the truth that is in you.

[klee] I just want everyone to feel this experience. But I understand.

[DaveGregg] Rachelle, you're next.

[Rachelle] Hi, Michael. I am curious about history and I would like to know what happened to the original European colonists that settled in America, specifically the settlers of Roanoke, Virginia especially Virginia Dare and her mother Elizabeth Dare. Any information at all would be interesting.

Michael: The settlement at Roanoke was probably doomed from the beginning. It was not intended that this colony would be in a marshy, insect-filled place and the people who arrived there were not prepared for the hardships of that environment. Many of them died of disease and malnutrition. They had barricaded themselves from the indigenous peoples of the area and received no support or aid from them. Instead the settlers antagonized those who could have aided them by assuming them to be enemies. This made the native peoples enemies in truth and in the end they were able to take the few remaining invaders as slaves. The native warriors took apart the barricade and tore down the wooden buildings, taking the parts away with them. That is why very little of this settlement remains to be studied.

[Rachelle] And Virginia and Elizabeth?

Michael: The elder Dare woman died of an infected injury to her leg. The younger one was taken as were the others into the tribe that destroyed the settlement.

[DaveGregg] Geraldine, you have the final question.

[Geraldine] Hello, Nancy and Michaels. All instances of the beginnings of literacy seem to have started at around 5,000 years ago -- whether in China, Egypt, the Fertile Crescent, or even the Americas. This might even be deemed part of the beginnings of civilization and urbanization. This is at odds with how long humans have been around and have been ensouled. What triggered this sudden expansion towards civilization?

Michael: There had actually been 'civilization' before 5000 B.C. We remind you that 'civilization' is your word that comes from 'civis' which is Latin for city. Therefore your definition of a civilized people hinges on their coming together into groups capable of operating in concert with each other. After this little lesson in semantics, we return to the original question about literacy. To be literate is to have the means to transmit information from one person to another when they are too far apart to hear one another. The need for such a device as writing came about with the development of larger than tribal group living and the fact that groups with similar objectives could establish themselves in various areas, not just in one.

The notion that symbols could stand for words became obvious when the need for such transmission was felt. Keeping track of people and things was the province of the priesthoods of the time and the 'invention' of writing came from their order.

[Geraldine] That didn't answer the nearly universal impetus aspect of the question.

Michael: The 'nearly universal impetus' was an extension of the wave of congregating that took place around 3500 BC. Several of the centers of cultural congestion around the world experienced this need at the same time, almost as though there were already an interchange of information among them. There was little interaction between what has been labeled for practical purposed as the Fertile Crescent and the established cities of Mohenjo Daro and similar sites around the world. There was, however, an energy toward this end that made the development of writing possible.

[Brian_W] So are you saying that with the exception of the past 6000 years of recorded history, the past 125,000 years of human history have been purely hunting & gathering and nomadic tribes? It seems very odd to me that we'd have our collective thumbs up our asses for some 119,000 years

Michael: Why would you stop at 125,000 years of human history? Why would you not want to compare to, say, 1,000,000 years or more?

[Brian_W] 125,000 years is considered the current extent of homo sapiens, or at least of what is known as homo sapiens.

Michael: We have said that the ensoulment of the animal which was your 'ancestor' took place about 65,000 years ago. It would be fair to say that this is the place that one might want to start with when speaking of 'human history'. And yes, for much of that time humans were hunter/gatherers and there was no particular need for writing anything. Some of the art work from this period includes symbols, which were understood by those who were expected to see them, but there was no sending of missives to others, nor any need to do so.

The need for your scientists to extend the existence of homo sapiens, as you say, to a greater and greater history, has nothing to do with the fact that there was no ensouled animal cum human being extant on this planet before 65,000 to 70,000 years ago. The bi-pedal, stereoscopic visioned, opposable thumbed, palate-shaping of words animal who became ensouled had the tools to become homo sapiens and made very good use of them. If they had not, you would be the descendants of another species.

[Geraldine] Thank you.

[DaveGregg] Does Michael have any closing comments?

Michael: We have the means to explain for you some of the anomalies of your past and we are happy to do so. There is no better way to understand what it is to be human than to examine the historical record of your existence. The line between animal and human is fragile and blurred when approached by the scientific mentality. Many of the possible species that were extant on the planet had some of the aspects of humanity: caring for the injured, the old, and the orphaned, for instance. Burying the dead rather than eating them was also part of some of the animal species that preceded the one finally selected for ensoulment. Many of the aspects of the human being are a product of those animal ancestors. For instance, the tendency to live in groups. To range abroad from curiosity. To defend one of your own who may be threatened. These are thought of as human qualities but are in fact owing to the ape-type that you descended from.

Continue to ask about your past and hope for your future. The future is beginning right now.

Go in peace.

The after conversation:

[NancyG] Bobby, I didn't see your question about the animal having no say about being ensouled. But the answer must be that there wasn't really a choice for ensoulment made by the ape species. The choice was from the fragments who wanted incarnation here.
[Kathryn41] Michael has actually addressed that question before as well :-)
[Bobby] Oh, thanks, Nancy . . . sorry for shooting that one at ya there, thought you were still going into some history there :-)
[Brian_W] it just seemed wierd to me, as I've seen it put a few other places, that human ensoulment happened anywhere from 1 million years ago to now 65,000 years.
[NancyG] Yes, they have answered many questions before, but as good teachers, they bear with repeating. :-)
[Kathryn41] It is the decision of the soul families (cadres, entities, energy rings, whatever) to explore ensoulment and monitoring a species with potential.
[Kathryn41] I have only heard them say 65,000 years, Brian.
[NancyG] Brian, what is your source for this assertion about ensoulment so long ago?
[Brian_W] I forget, to be honest.
[Brian_W] It still just strikes me as strange that only the past 6000 years have been interesting.
[Kathryn41] we always speak of ourselves as being a partnership between a soul and a personality, but in truth, we are actually a partnership between a soul/essence, a personality, and a physical body.
[NancyG] I know that some Hindu teachings consider homo sapiens to be much older than that, but I do not know their source for that.
[Bobby] 5000 years is truly a drop in the bucket of time for being somewhat "advanced".
[Kathryn41] It has been interesting before that, Brian - it has been fascinating the road that led to ensoulment as well.
[Kathryn41] Ensoulment and advanced are not necessarily the same thing. It may be the semantics of the definition that you want to look at more closely.
[DaveGregg] It's not a surprise that mankind didn't secure its footing till fairly recent, since the interglacial period started around 10,000 years ago. That finally gave us some climatic stability.
[NancyG] The last 6000 years are only 'interesting' if one is attached to the written word. There was a lot going on before that that was also interesting.
[Brian_W] Such as?
[Kathryn41] One of the most 'fascinating' events I can think of is the Neolithic Revolution - where mankind 'discovered' that they didn't need to travel to gather but could deliberately plant seeds and harvest from a set location year after year
[Bobby] Yes, considering some form of taxation has existed probably for the last 5000 years, perhaps WE are not the advanced ones ;-)
[Brian_W] I mean, I know the dark ages are uninteresting from a technological standpoint, but have severe implications in the socialtal organization of humankind, particularly in Europe.
[Kathryn41] The neolithic revolution happened about 12,000 BC/BCE - and is what allowed for the growth of cities and communities' - a larger family group could afford to stay in one place for a longer period of time because there was a consistent food source.
[DaveGregg] That was aided by the end of the glacial period.
[klee] This may sound stupid but...I thought there was no such thing as time and years in the spiritual world??
[Kathryn41] Klee, we aren't in the spiritual world - we are in the physical world, so for us, we do experience time and years. :-)
[NancyG] Klee, the Michaels have to bow to our need for putting things in perspective and so they talk about years so that we will know where to hang things.
[Brian_W] Oh, I could still argue that dolphins are smarter than us. They stay in their natural environment, don't mess with it, eat fish, socialize and have sex for both recreation and procreation.
[Brian_W] I think they've got it figured out already.
[Kathryn41] That is a subjective definition.
[klee] How do michaels configure the time?
[Kathryn41] They use our scale so we can understand it.
[NancyG] They look at the Akashic records for this planet and use the measurement of this place.
[klee] Oh, I see..Thanks.
[Kathryn41] :-)
[Brian_W] Okay, so the neolithic revolution is what caused the nomadic tribes to gradually transfer over to farming communities.
[Kathryn41] Yes, Brian.
[Brian_W] Damn, I was hoping some technological event caused humans to blow themselves back to the stone age and they had to start over again.
[NancyG] And those communities eventually led to cities and to the need for record keeping.
[Kathryn41] Right, Nancy.
[Brian_W] Yeah, I gathered that much.
[Kathryn41] It is interesting that much of the earliest record fragments that we have are often 'lists' and inventories.


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