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 September 27, 1973



27 September 1973
Present: PJ, ET and ST, RH and AH, SC and RC.
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU. A.H. HAS ALWAYS TAKEN A SUBORDINATE ROLE. SHE OBJECTS
TO IT NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AH: Would Reichian Therapy help me? I see it making changes in some of my
friends.
NO. IT WOULD NOT BE OF ASSISTANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE WITHIN YOURSELF THE
ANSWER AND CAN FIND IT FOR YOURSELF. THEY CAN ONLY HELP THOSE WHO ARE
ENMIRED IN THE WORLD OF FALSE PERCEPTIONS.
RH: AH downs herself or else is giving expert advice. It seems like it's a
Monad.
THE ADVICE-GIVING-MOTHERING COMPLEX IS A PART OF FALSE PERSONALITY. THIS CAN
BE COUNTERACTED ONLY BE REALIZING THAT THE SOLUTION TO A "PROBLEM" RESIDES
ONLY IN THE ONE INVOLVED. A.H. CANNOT SOLVE ANYTHING FOR ANYONE BUT A.H.
RH: How about the putting of herself down?
SELF DEPRECATION IS CHIEF FEATURE FOR A.H. IT STEMS FROM KARMIC RIBBONS WITH
[husband] R.H. AND [daughter] K.H. YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN AWE OF K.H. THIS
IS NOT A NEW EMOTION FOR YOU. S.C. FEELS THAT TOO. K.H. HAS BEEN INFLUENTIAL
IN ALL OF YOUR LIVES, BUT MORE PERSONALLY FOR A.H. A.H. HAS SERVED UNDER
K.H. AS A SLAVE, A SOLDIER, AND A NUN.
AH: Do I resent this?
YOU CANNOT DIVORCE KNOWLEDGE OF THE HATS SHE HAS WORN FROM HER PRESENT ROLE.
THE FEELING IS NOT BAD WORK. IN FACT, IT SHOWS CONSIDERABLE EVOLUTION. A
YOUNGER SOUL WOULD NOT PERCEIVE THIS AT ALL AND WOULD MERELY CHOOSE NOT TO
UNDERSTAND THE CHILD. THE FACT THAT A.H. HAS ALWAYS REALIZED THAT K.H. WAS
SOMEHOW "DIFFERENT" POINTS TOWARD EVOLUTION. A.H. PUSHED FOR CONFORMITY IN
THE OTHERS MUCH MORE THAN IN K.H. THE CONFORMITY WAS MINIMAL, BUT THERE
NEVERTHELESS. S.C. HAS DONE THE SAME WITH [her daughter] D.C., FORTUNATELY.
THE OTHERS NEEDED THE GUIDANCE. K.H., R.H.Jr, AND D.C. DID NOT. TO REALIZE
THIS WAS IMPORTANT. TO ALLOW THEM TO FIND THEIR OWN PATHS WAS OF PRIMARY
IMPORTANCE. THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT TO PURSUE THE PATH AT AN EARLY AGE IF
PRESSURED. THIS WAY FRIENDLY RELATIONS WILL PERSIST THROUGHOUT THIS
LIFETIME.
RH: I've often wondered if our having KH to go to Esalen was good or bad for
her. She was the youngest they had ever had at the time.
THE EXPERIENCE WAS NOT DEVASTATING FOR K.H.
THE BOOK D.C. READ TODAY WAS NOT AN ORDINARY EXPERIENCE FOR A TWELVE YEAR
OLD, BUT FOR HER, IT WAS ORDINARY.
SC: That must be Ask Alice a story of a teenage drug edict.
RC: Why do I feel your presence more strongly when I am drunk?
YOU ARE LESS INHIBITED.
RH: Rodney Collin [a primary student of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky] describes
in his book [The Theory of Celestial Influence] that the key to
consciousness is great suffering, prison, starvation, extreme illness,
abandonment, or ruin. These words have contributed to my leaving a previous
teaching. I did not then nor do I now feel prepared to accept voluntarily
these forms of extreme suffering in order to pursue the "path". These things
have to be swallowed and not rebelled against.
THAT IS ESSENTIALLY CORRECT. HOWEVER, THE TORTURE CAN BE INTERNAL AND CAN
REVOLVE AROUND THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BETWEEN ESSENCE AND FALSE
PERSONALITY. IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO INVOLVE AN EXTERNAL AGENT.
RH: Personality does not die easily. Collin says a person does not have a
soul until this occurs some earthshaking thing causes it to die.
IT IS, WE FEEL, A MATTER OF SEMANTICS. THE SOUL IS THERE, NO MATTER HOW
DEEPLY BURIED.
RH: The teaching of Michael seems closer to Collin than that of Gurdjieff or
Ouspensky.
GURDJIEFF WAS MISUNDERSTOOD BY OUSPENSKY, NOT SO MUCH BY RODNEY.
RH: Endocrinology in Collin's book is in dire conflict with modern day
endocrinology.
YES, IT IS. HE MISUNDERSTOOD THE LIMITS OF PLANETARY INFLUENCE WHERE DIET
AND INBORN GENETIC ERRORS ARE CONCERNED.
RH: If Michael is incorrect, it invalidates a third of Collin's book.
THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY VALID. CERTAIN BODY TYPES ARE FAR MORE PRONE TO
SPECIFIC ENDOCRINOLOGIC DISORDERS THAN OTHERS. HOWEVER, THE AGE OF THE SOUL
COMES INTO PLAY AT THIS LEVEL.
RH: Are some people sexually centered?
NO. SEXUAL ENERGY IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM ALL OTHER ENERGY SOURCES, AND
CAN BE EFFECTIVELY USED TO REACH HIGHER EMOTIONS.
PJ: If you experience sex on a higher level, what would be going on?
CEREBRAL ORGASM. THE WHOLE SOUL EXPERIENCES ECSTASY. THE BODY CANNOT
EXPERIENCE ECSTASY, ONLY SATIATION. ONLY THE ESSENCE IS CAPABLE OF THAT
EXPERIENCE [of ecstasy].
RH: What planetary influence is PJ under?
P.J. IS HEAVILY UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SATURN, LESS SO MERCURY.
ET: I saw recently an old friend whom I hadn't seen for several years. He's
a parapsychologist and mystic. He seemed just as dogmatic as ever. He says
that any teaching that says that people change sexes in their different
lifetimes is pure bilge, because if we knew something of the origin of
creation and the true nature of twin souls, we wouldn't have such terrible
conceptions. Could Michael comment on souls and sex changes?
WE HAVE OFTEN REITERATED THAT BELIEF IS NOT NECESSARY. THIS IS ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF ONE DOGMA BEING MORE PALATABLE THAN ANOTHER, AND THEREFORE
ACCEPTABLE. HE CANNOT ENVISION HIMSELF IN A PHYSICAL BODY OF A FEMALE. PAUL
COULD NOT IMAGINE A MESSIAH WHO SWEAT, EITHER, BUT JESUS DID.
ET: Was Ahura Mazda special? He's an Indian hero.
THIS WAS AN ANCIENT TERM DENOTING THE MANIFESTATION OF THE HIGHER MENTAL
BODY. THE FACT THAT WE ACCEPT NAMELESSNESS QUITE CASUALLY, EVEN ON THIS
PLANE, IS ALMOST INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO MOST OF THOSE ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE,
SINCE NAMES HAVE BECOME THE PRINCIPAL METHOD OF IDENTITY, EVEN ASCENDANCY.
ET: Does that mean the high mental body is expressing itself through RF?
NO.
ST: Who is manifesting through RF?
A MID CAUSAL TEACHER.
ET: Is this material that I have then, from this mid causal teacher, of
value?
THAT WHICH IS WITHOUT R.F.'S BIAS. THE MANIFESTATION CAN BE PARTIALLY OR
WHOLLY BLOCKED BY A MEDIUM UNWILLING TO APPREHEND CERTAIN FACTS.
THe question was lost, but the group was discussing the fall of Icarus. RH
asked about Solar Bodytypes.
IF SUN SPOT ACTIVITY WAS GREAT AT THE TIME OF CONCEPTION, THE BODYTYPE WILL
BE ARCHETYPAL; THE BODY WILL ALSO BE POWERFUL.
RC: Michael Gauquelin [a Frenchman who made a scientific study of astrology]
says that sun spot activity is related somehow to the position of the other
planets. Is this so?
YES.
RC: All astrological things are functions of sun spots, and sun spots
determine the function of the other planets on the ionization of the air.
HEAVY PLANETS AT APHELION CAUSE INCREASE IN SUN SPOT ACTIVITY AND THEREFORE
VELOCITY OF SOLAR WIND.
RC: Is the sun the key or the catalyst for planetary influence?
BEING THE LARGEST OF THE NEARBY CELESTIAL BODIES, THIS SMALL STAR EXERTS THE
MOST POWERFUL INFLUENCE PHYSICALLY.
RS: Is the influence of Jupiter upon us through the sun, or is it direct?
IT'S MITIGATED BY THE SUN AND THE POSITION OF THE OTHER LARGER BODIES.
SATURN AND JUPITER EXERT A POWERFUL INFLUENCE ON EACH OTHER TO THE EXTENT
THAT THE SATELLITE OF SATURN CLOSEST TO THE ORBIT OF JUPITER HAS AN
ATMOSPHERE.
ET: Are these physical influences we can measure? We know the planetary
effect is inversely proportional to the square root of the distance between
them Keppler's Law. Is it something else, like ionization?
THE DRAG OF THE HEAVY BODIES HAS A MAGNETIC EFFECT ON THE STAR'S ABILITY TO
BURN HYDROGEN. WHEN THESE PLANETS ARE AT APHELION [furthest from the sun],
THE DRAG IS LESS, AND SUNSPOT ACTIVITY INCREASES. IONIZATION OCCURS IN THE
ATMOSPHERES OF VENUS, EARTH, AND MARS; TO A LESSER EXTENT ON MERCURY, SINCE
THE ATMOSPHERE IS MORE TENUOUS. ORGANIC LIFE IS EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO
MINUTE CHANGES IN IONIZATION.
ET: Could you comment on the virtue of astrology and the validity to this
discussion?
THE POSITION OF ALL OF THE PLANETS AND THEIR POSITION IN RELATION TO THE SUN
AND TO EACH OTHER MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. FOR INSTANCE, VENUS
WITHOUT THE INFLUENCE OF MARS EXERTS MUCH MORE INFLUENCE THAN WHEN MARS IS
IN APPOSITION ON THE FAR SIDE OF EARTH.
RC: This question lost was lost.
THOSE WHO DO [this] STAND A BETTER CHANCE OF BEING ACCURATE.
RC: The planets are never in the same place in relation to each other except
for mathematically every 24,000 years, so you have varying degrees of
ionization (and possibilities). The Bodytyping has to do with the planets at
mid-heaven at the time of conception. Jupiter takes 12 years to do its thing
around the sun and its day is only 10 hours long.
RC: What is the effect of the DNA on conception? Is it influenced by
ionization?
THE RIBONUCLEIC ACIDS (are affected), NOT THE DEOXYRIBONUCLEIC ACIDS.
RC: The messenger is DNA and can be called the "printout" of the brain cell.
Does each strand of DNA have the potential of becoming anything it is
encoded with?
NO.
Would two people conceived in the same room at the same time have the same
Bodytype?
YES.
Is ionization the key?
ATMOSPHERIC CHANGES.
RC: Are these chemical or potential changes.
REAL, NOT POTENTIAL.
RC and RH: Are the changes in electrical field? Ionization knocks out or
grossly distorts the code.
RC: We're dealing with very minute molecules and every particle of DNA will
be affected. I want to know what the planetary effect is.
THE IONIZATION IS ONLY ONE FACTOR. THERE ARE ALSO MINUTE CHANGES IN AIR
PRESSURE AND IN THE FORCE OF GRAVITY. THERE ARE ALSO FLUCTUATIONS IN THE
CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF THE ATMOSPHERE ITSELF. ALL OF THESE TOGETHER PRODUCE
A STAMPING EFFECT ON THE ENCODING APPARATUS OF ALL ORGANIC LIFE. WE SPEAK OF
ONLY THE PHYSICAL UNIT NOW.
RH: How do these influences affect us?
THEY ONLY INFLUENCE THE SOUL TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY INFLUENCE FALSE
PERSONALITY. THE SOUL IS NOT UNDER PHYSICAL INFLUENCE.
ET: We ask all these questions and yet we don't know anything about our
Monad, our unit, our bodies, our physical, our mental, astral, and causal.
RC: I don't think we're going to become conscious beings working the Ouija
board.
SC: Someone is going to have to break away and give the information.
PJ: Who is Crystal?
She is Tomas's soul mate.
RH: What has PJ done in her male lives before?
PJ: I haven't had any male lives.
SHE DOES NOT WISH TO PERCEIVE HERSELF AS SUCH.
We discussed how women were or were not accountable for their crimes. When
governments become feminine, they become decadent and fall. Female murderers
many times are not held for their crimes. Juries are prejudiced. Only one
woman in the history of California was executed. In jobs, when women make a
mistake, they are not called to task it's passed off with, "she's a woman,
she can's help it". Women will never be liberated until men are liberated
when the employers can deal with women as they do with men.
ST: Men are extremely intolerant of mistakes that women make.
RH: Could we have a statement on race.
THERE ARE SCHOLARS IN ALL RACES. SOME CULTURES PLACE GREAT EMPHASIS ON
INTELLECTUAL PURSUITS. TESTING THESE CULTURES WOULD RESULT IN A
PREPONDERANCE OF INTELLECTUALLY-ORIENTED YOUNGSTERS. SOME CULTURES ARE
CONCERNED PRIMARILY WITH SURVIVAL IN A HOSTILE WORLD.
 

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