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 September 22, 1973



22 September 1973
Oakland
Note: The names of the participants were not recorded, nor were there tapes
of this session.
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
RH: I would like to know how to burn karma.
IF YOU ARE TO PURPOSEFULLY BURN RIBBONS, YOU MUST FIRST KNOW WITH CERTAINTY
WHAT HAS BEEN INCURRED. THIS TAKES STUDY AND RECALL. OTHERWISE YOU WILL PAY
YOUR KARMIC DEBTS IN THEIR NATURAL ORDER. THIS IS WHY THE KNOWLEDGE OF
REINCARNATION COMES IN SOME WAY TO ALL OLD SOULS. PRIOR TO THAT, IT IS ONLY
A MATTER OF CHANCE, SUCH AS BIRTH IN A COUNTRY SUCH AS INDIA WHERE THIS IS
THE ACCEPTED THEOLOGY.
Is burning a karmic ribbon always a negative thing?
SOMETIMES YOU ARE THE DEBTOR. SOMETIMES IT IS TO YOU THAT THE DEBT IS OWED.
THE RIBBON IS THE THREAD THAT LINKS YOU TO THE OTHER FRAGMENTS OF A KARMIC
PLAY. YOU WISH TO COMPLETE THE MONAD. AS SOON AS THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED, THE
FRAGMENT HAS EVOLVED. AS SOON AS THE MAJOR MONADS ARE COMPLETED, THE
FRAGMENTS ARE INTEGRATED.
RH asked for assistance with an emotional problem concerning the inhibitory
influence of another person, no longer in the picture, but still on his
mind. He wishes to break away, but somehow cannot.
WHEN YOU TRULY WISH TO BE FREE OF THAT INFLUENCE, TRY MAKING A MENTAL TALLY
OF ALL POSITIVE EXPERIENCES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT SOLELY AS A RESULT OF THAT
RELATIONSHIP.
RH stated that he felt only rejection, sorrow and loss, and that he could
see those blocking his ability to love (fear of this happening over again).
IN THAT RELATIONSHIP, YOU WERE ABLE TO GIVE THE GIFT OF HIGHER EXPRESSION.
IT WAS NOT RECIPROCAL BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT IN TOUCH WITH HIGHER CENTERS, BUT
SHE HAS ALSO MEMORIES. THIS IS OFTEN THE CASE. YOU COULD NOT RECAPTURE THAT
EXPERIENCE, BUT YOU COULD DUPLICATE THE HIGHER EMOTIONAL ENERGY OUTPUT NOW
ESPECIALLY. BUT FIRST, YOU MUST STOP EQUATING THE EXPERIENCE YOU HAD WITH A
SPECIFIC PARTNER. IT WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE. YOU WERE READY TO HAVE IT.
RH: If it is intellectual, it is easy to change, but if it is emotional, it
is difficult to deal with.
THE EMOTION HE IS DEALING WITH NOW IS GRIEF. THIS IS DIFFICULT TO OVERCOME
UNTIL THE DUPLICATION IS ACCOMPLISHED. R.H. MUST ALLOW HIMSELF TO LOVE.
RH related the Gurdjieffian analogy of the horse representing Emotional
Center, the carriage Intellectual, etc. The grief produces a "sick horse".
YOUNG SOULS WHO LOSE A CHILD THROUGH TRAUMA OR ILLNESS OFTEN SEEK TO REPLACE
THAT CHILD, AND IN SO DOING MAKE LIFE MISERABLE FOR THE SECOND CHILD, WHO
DOES NOT, OF COURSE, REPLACE THE LOST ONE.
RH: I don't understand that. What does that mean?
YOU CAN ONLY DUPLICATE THE ENERGY OUTPUT; YOU CANNOT DUPLICATE THE
CIRCUMSTANCES.
RH: Am I dealing with some form of the Oedipal complex?
FIRST OF ALL, THE OEDIPAL MYTH IS CULTURALLY INDUCED AND DOES NOT HAVE THAT
MUCH INFLUENCE AT YOUR LEVEL [soul Age]. SECONDLY, THE GRIEF STEMS FROM NOT
BEING ABLE TO RECAPTURE WHAT WAS FOR YOU AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT EVOLUTIONARY
MILESTONE. SHE HAPPENED ALONG AT THAT TIME IN YOUR LIFE.
RH: What now?
REALIZE THAT YOU CAN DUPLICATE THE FEELING. THE GRIEF IS A NORMAL REACTION
TO THE LOSS.
RH: But isn't it abnormal for it to last this long?
MATURE SOULS OFTEN TORCH-BURN FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL
FOR INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED INDIVIDUALS WHEN THEY ARE FIRST IN TOUCH WITH
HIGHER EMOTIONS. R.H., YOU LACK CONFIDENCE IN YOUR EMOTIONS. REJECTION, OR
THE SENSE OF REJECTION, PRODUCES THIS IN SOULS WHO STILL CLING TO THE
[false] CONCEPT OF EROS [romantic sexual love], AND TO THE [false] CONCEPT
OF CHOOSING WHOM TO LOVE.
RH: This means you can't chose who you love?
SC: It's sad that most souls feel they loved in vain because they can't
accept the love from those offering it.
RH: Am I correct in assuming that this is why I don't have any energy?
EMOTIONALLY, YES. YOU ARE ALSO [physically] TIRED.
RH: But this also produces boredom.
IT DOES.
AH related an incident occurring on a camping trip in the wilderness.
Because C developed ear problems, she had to leave suddenly and said good-by
to the other seven people. She felt good emotional vibrations in saying
good-bye to six of the people, but did not have any particular emotions when
saying good-bye to YS [someone they knew from RB's Gurdjieff group]. She
wondered why.
HIS ESSENCE IS NOT IN EMOTION. HE IS AN OLD SOUL WHO IS INTELLECTUALLY
CENTERED. HE FEELS THAT HE IS MOVING CENTERED AND REJECTS THIS CONCEPT.
HOWEVER, IT IS DIFFICULT TO COME INTO EMOTIONAL CONTACT WITH HIM. E.S. [his
brother] IS QUITE DIFFERENT.
AH stated that she felt the emotional conflict with JF-S, who is also
intellectually centered, and wondered why. RH said that he felt it was
because JF-S was intellectually centered and YS did not.
THAT IS CORRECT.
SC discussed being moving centered, and the group asked for a clarification
on this.
S.C. IS MOVING CENTERED, BUT IS MOVING TOWARD INTEGRATION AND CAN TOUCH
INTELLECTUAL.
SC: Well, I guess I skipped Emotional Center!
RH: I would like to know about BS's level.
B.S. IS A FINAL LEVEL MATURE SOUL.
RH: BS had a lot of power emotional strength. I wonder about her Bodytype.
HER EMOTIONAL POWER CAME FROM HER ACTIVE EMOTIONAL CENTER AND HER PERCEPTION
OF HERSELF.
SC: I would like to know about BC.
RH: She's a Lunar. I'd like to know about BC also.
SHE WAS HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY VENUS, LESS BY THE MOON.
RH: Well, she's the strongest Venusian I've ever known! What is SC's
Bodytype?
S.C. IS ALMOST COMPLETELY UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF MERCURY, LESS SATURNINE.
Someone asked whether it was necessary for us to experience life in all of
the various body types.
YES, YOU MUST COMPLETE THE CYCLE. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU EXPERIENCE LIFE
FROM ALL OF THE VANTAGE POINTS. VENUS-INFLUENCED FEMALES CAN BE QUITE STRONG
EMOTIONALLY.
RH: What is the nature of the influence? I mean, what comes from Venus?
A SPECIFIC TYPE OF ENERGY IS EMANATED BY THE PLANET. EACH ONE OF THE PLANETS
IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM HAS A VERY DIFFERENT ATMOSPHERE AND EXERTS A DIFFERENT
INFLUENCE ON THE OTHERS. THOSE WITH THAT PLANET HIGH WILL BE INFLUENCED BY
THAT PARTICULAR ENERGY.
RH: At what point does that influence take place? I mean when is it put into
the genetic code? Also, the question was asked about the meaning of the
"planet high".
THE PLANET AT MID-HEAVEN AT THE TIME OF CONCEPTION.
RC then asked question about the validity of astrology as we know it. We
also wondered about the Gurdjieffian system.
[Astrology is] NOT [valid] AS YOU KNOW IT, ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE GOOD
BEGINNINGS. GURDJIEFF DID SEE THIS. OUSPENSKY REJECTED ASTROLOGY. IF YOU
CONSTRUCT CHARTS FOR ENTIRE FAMILIES, YOU WILL FIND STRIKING SIMILARITIES.
RC: Michael Gauquelin [A Frenchman who made a scientific study of astrology]
said a male child is conceived at the same time that the male parent was
conceived; the female at the time of the female parent. Some studies proved
blood plasma changes with ionization in the atmosphere, and there is a
correlation. The planet on the horizon is the important one genetically (the
"Ascendent"). The soul could influence its structure.
SOULS ENTER THE PHYSICAL PLANE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. THAT IS NOT VALID IN THAT
SENSE. THE BODY, BEING PHYSICAL, OR ORGANIC IF YOU WILL, IS INFLUENCED BY
THE CELESTIAL BODIES.
Then Bodytyping is not genetically determined?
YES THEY ARE. EACH STRAND OF DEOXYRIBONUCLEIC ACID IS TOTIPOTENTIAL. THIS
ALLOWS FOR THE INFLUENCE.
At what point does this influence take place, when the sperm meets with the
ovum, or at the time of the first breath?
THIS IS WHY WE SAY THAT ASTROLOGY AS YOU KNOW IT IS LARGELY INVALID.
HOWEVER, IRONICALLY WE MIGHT ADD, IT DOES WORK BACKWARDS, UNLESS YOU ARE
DEALING WITH A PREMATURE CHILD.
Then astrology would be valid if we knew the moment of conception?
YES. THE TIME OF BIRTH IS ALSO IMPORTANT.
Some say that the parents' attitudes manifest at conception. This is why we
are admonished against lustful sex (by Gandhi). Infant souls are only
capable of lust. Baby souls are often prudish. We thought that perhaps this
admonition would only work for Old souls, but that none of us was ready to
give up all lustful feelings.
WE DO NOT ENCOUNTER MUCH "LUST" IN ANY OF YOU.
SC: Lust seems to be coming from Instinctive/Moving Center. I know I want
men as friends, but find this difficult.
AH: If I have strong attachments to a man, I feel sex will be a part of the
relationship.
SC: If sex is coming from the wrong Center, it's all mixed up. I sometimes
feel like embracing men, but they would interpret this as a sexual gesture.
RC: I would like to know my Bodytype and how I am Centered.
MARS AND JUPITER ARE INFLUENCES. R.C. IS MOVING CENTERED.
AH: And my Bodytype?
MOSTLY LUNAR. YES, THERE IS SOME JOVIAN INFLUENCE.
RC: What is my Chief Feature?
MISGUIDED CONCERN; BETTER KNOWN IN SOME CIRCLES AS HIDDEN HYPOCRISY. YOU ARE
NOT AWARE OF THE HYPOCRISY. IT APPEARS TO YOU AS CONCERN.
RC: I would like to ask if there is advice on how to turn things around in
the right direction.
YOU ARE USING EMOTIONAL CENTER AS A PSYCHIC DUMPING GROUND. THIS IS CAUSING
THE ENERGY LEAK YOU ARE FEELING NOW. THE MEDITATIONS, OR MORE CORRECTLY
CONCENTRATIONS, UNDER MARIJUANA RESULT IN GOOD INSIGHTS FOR YOU, IF YOU WILL
FOLLOW THEM OUT.
RC: Does this "misguided concern" primarily involve others?
IT STEMS FROM YOUR FEAR OF BEING EITHER CHALLENGED OR REJECTED. [These are
part of the negative pole of the Goal of Acceptance, later revealed to be
his Goal.]
Comment: But Martials usually challenge. Is this a contradiction?
NOT NECESSARILY. HE IS QUITE WILLING TO CHALLENGE. R.C. NEEDS TO ACQUIRE THE
WARMTH AND SPONTANEOUS SINCERITY OF THE JOVIAN PERSONALITY. THIS WILL
REQUIRE DETACHMENT FROM THE RIGIDLY REHEARSED SOCIAL AFFINITIES NOW TAKING
THE PLACE OF SPONTANEITY.
SC: What is my Chief Feature?
ARROGANCE.
AH: And what is mine?
ENDLESS SELF-ANALYSIS.
RH: But she is also always giving advice, to me and to everyone else.
THIS IS A FEATURE OF THE FALSE PERSONALITY. THE SELF-DEPRECATION IS A PART
OF KARMA FOR THE ESSENCE.
Someone in the group had a question about Michael's use of "soul",
"Essence", and "self" interchangeably, and the departure from the
Gurdieffian system where there is a False and True Personality, and that
Essence and True Personality together form the "self".
THE SOUL IS THE ESSENCE. THIS IS SYNONYMOUS WITH "SELF". EVEN WE HAVE A
PERSONALITY; IT SIMPLY IS NO LONGER CHALLENGED BY MAYA.
AH asked for some advice.
A.H. MUST WORK THROUGH HER PRIMARY OBSTACLE. THE SELF-DEPRECATION IS ALSO
USED TO GAIN APPROVAL, OR, IN SOME INSTANCES, PERMISSION.
RH: I would like to know about my Chief Feature.
YOU STILL HAVE SOME ELEMENTS OF SELF-PITY, NOT AS PRONOUNCED AS BEFORE. THEY
ARE NOW CONFINED TO THE EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCE WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, AND YOUR
JOB. THIS IS MARKEDLY IMPROVED.
SC: What should I do about my Chief Feature. I don't know about it unless
someone photographs me.
RC: I did photograph you and you got uptight.
THAT IS A GOOD WAY. S.C. DOES AN EXCELLENT PUT-DOWN, AND SHE SHOULD BE
CALLED ON IT WHEN IT OCCURS.
SC: Well I've always had a "sink or swim" attitude toward others. This comes
out as Arrogance to RC.
RC: Is this a karmic thing?
YES. YOU WERE VERY ARROGANT BEFORE. S.C. WAS NOT.
Someone wanted to know if Michael could manifest through any one in the
group.
WE ARE CAPABLE OF MANIFESTING THROUGH YOU UNDER HEAVY HYPNOTIC TRANCE ALL
OF YOU.
What happens to the Old soul when it is displaced by the manifestation of
the Transcendental soul?
HE REMAINS AS A PART OF THE LOW ASTRAL BODY.
Then he doesn't automatically become a Transcendental soul?
NOT UNTIL HE BURNS THE REMAINING RIBBONS OR CHOOSES TO BE REBORN.
RC: I would like to somehow recapture the tranquillity I found at Tahoe. I
would like to spend tomorrow meditating and next week meditating and
reflecting. How can I best do this?
CEASE INNER CONSIDERATION OF THE EFFECTS OF YOUR ACTIONS ON OTHERS. YOU ARE
DOING NOTHING WRONG. WE FIND NO FAULT WITH YOUR PLAN.
The session was terminated by mutual consent.

 

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