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 September 18, 1973



18 September 1973
Oakland
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. THE ENERGY IS STRONGER NOW THAT _____ IS BACK.
HER ENERGY IS GOOD. IT IS A POSITIVE FORCE.
SC: I would like to know if my mother is a middle cycle Young soul, and if R
is a Mature soul. (Aside to the group:) My mother is a bomb-thrower, and
that is the cycle where they are.
RC. I think we should ask for a comment on ES.
ALL ARE WELCOME. HE IS A SEEKER. D. (SC's mother) IS AN EARLY CYCLE YOUNG
SOUL; R. [is] LATE [young].
RC: Is it possible that R is in a transitory period?
YES.
PJ: May I ask about MS what sort of soul she is?
SHE IS A MID CYCLE MATURE SOUL.
PJ: Are we in the same place?
NO.
PJ: Where am I?
YOU ARE A SIXTH LEVEL OLDER SOUL.
ET: Just to make this situation round, there are two other people present
who haven't asked, one of them being myself, and the other being ES. Before
we go straddling the universe, I think that it's proper to define us too.
E.T. HAS SEEN TWO PREVIOUS LEVELS AS AN OLDER SOUL. E.S. IS NOW IN THE
FOURTH [level].
ET to SC: Do you remember the levels?
SC: Yeah, well you spend approximately seven lifetimes in each cycle.
RC: That's sort of the median. Some people spend more, some people less.
SC: Michael told us we could make it if we worked hard enough.
RH: I thought that was for Old souls only not for Young souls and Baby
souls too.
SC: That may be; we've never asked that.
ET repeats the cycles of souls for ES's benefit.
SC: The Transcendental and Infinite souls do not manifest in a physical
body.
THAT IS ESSENTIALLY CORRECT. THE HIGH CAUSAL BODY [Transcendental soul]
MANIFESTS ONLY IN TIMES OF SOCIAL OR RELIGIOUS UNREST. THEN IF THE
REVOLUTION DOES NOT COME ABOUT, THE HIGH MENTAL BODY [Infinite soul]
MANIFESTS AND BRINGS THE LOGOS TO BEAR. THE MATURE SOUL CAN ALSO ACCELERATE
WITHIN THE CYCLE. YOUNG SOULS CAN BURN KARMIC RIBBONS RAPIDLY, SOMETIMES,
AND ACCELERATE. ELIZABETH BLACKWELL AND FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE ARE EXAMPLES;
LOUIS PASTEUR, WALTER REED, MARIE CURIE, [and] FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT
ACCELERATED.
We looked up Elizabeth Blackwell in the Encyclopedia to find out who she
was. She was the first woman physician in the United States.
Is ____ a Young or Baby soul? I couldn't tell which.
EARLY CYCLE YOUNG SOUL RETAINS THE TRAPPINGS. WATCH FOR THE PERCEPTIONS OF
OTHERS. IF THEY DIFFER GREATLY FROM THOSE INVOLVED, YOU ARE PROBABLY DEALING
WITH A MATURE SOUL.
What does that mean to you?
That means that if we (the group) perceive you in a certain light, and
someone comes into the group and perceives you altogether differently, he is
probably a Mature soul. He picks up on different vibrations.
And that means he's Mature?
That's just the cycle he's in. Michael keeps telling us what a lousy cycle
that is to be in, because you pick up all of the bad vibrations from
everybody around you.
Then you have all these problems.
RC: That's where the suicide rate is the highest.
RH: Let's see, what about Dr SL he has penetrating eyes with much energy
behind them, and much inner consideration is he a Young or Baby soul?
S.L. IS A MATURE SOUL WITH PROBLEMS.
RH: OK, is Dr HL a Mature or Old soul; I think Old (The group agreed that Dr
HL was probably Old.)
H.L. IS A SECOND LEVEL OLD SOUL.
RH: Then Is Dr L a Mature soul?
BUT OF COURSE.
RH: Is Dr B a Young soul?
YES.
RH: Is Dr P a Mature soul?
NO. THIS MAN IS A BABY SOUL, LAST LEVEL. THIS HAPPENS OFTEN.
SC: What happens often?
RC: I assume that the confusion happens often the difficult
differentiation.
SC: Is that what you mean, that the confusion occurs often?
YES.
RH: Then Dr M is a Young or Mature, I'm not sure which I think Young.
MID LEVEL YOUNG.
RH: Then what about Dr LW? I have Young.
ET: I say Old.
L.W. IS A FINAL CYCLE MATURE SOUL, AGAIN WITH PROBLEMS.
RC: Let's try and get some clarification on how to tell.
RH: Well I'm trying to read it from the eyes.
THE EYES ARE VALID. YOU MUST DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN FEAR, UNREST, AND
CRAZINESS.
SC: Well then, can we have some eye signs that are valid?
ET: Or some guidelines?
INFANT SOULS MANIFEST FEAR. THIS CAN BE SEEN IN THEIR EYES. THIS FEAR IS OUT
OF PROPORTION TO THE SITUATION. THE WHOLE BUSINESS OF LIVING IS FEARFUL TO
THEM. BABY SOULS ARE GUILELESS, AND THIS SHOWS IN THEIR EYES. YOUNG SOULS
ARE IN A STATE OF UNREST. THIS OFTEN SHOWS UP IN ERRATIC EYE MOVEMENTS: THE
INABILITY TO HOLD EYE CONTACT FOR LONG BUT THEN THE MATURE SOULS FIND IT
DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN EYE CONTACT BECAUSE OF DISCOMFORT. OLD SOULS HAVE A
DIRECT, PENETRATING STARE ABSENT IN EARLIER CYCLES. WISDOM IS REFLECTED
THERE.
RH: I would like to know if AB is a Baby soul.
[RH's daughter] V.H. HAD MANY PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THIS [person]. THIS IS THE
WORST OF ALL POSSIBLE ALLIANCES BECAUSE THE BABY SOUL HAS SUCH A STRONG
SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG, AND HIS OPINION OF HIMSELF IS OFTEN EXALTED.
RH: I would like to know about WJ.
HE IS A MATURE SOUL WHO COULD BE A SEEKER. P.J. COULD HELP. HE PERCEIVES HER
IN AN EXTREMELY POSITIVE VEIN.
PJ: I think that could be so, but then I don't understand how to help him. I
would like some guidance.
ALLOW HIM TO PERCEIVE THE CHANGES AS THEY OCCUR IN YOU. MATURE SOULS ARE
DISTURBED BY SECRETS.
PJ: Yes, but that's not helpful to me, because I do that all the time, and
what I get is kind of like - - -
IN A SENSE YOU DO. YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT HIS PERCEPTIONS ARE VASTLY
DIFFERENT THAN YOURS. HE MUST BE SHOWN A POSITIVE RESULT: THAT IS, SOMETHING
TANGIBLE, BEFORE HE IS ABLE TO EXERT ANY ENERGY. HE IS ALSO IN THE
TRANSITORY STAGE NOW; YOU CAN LOOK FOR CHANGES. THE SOCIETY OF FRIENDS WAS A
NATURAL FOR HIM. PERHAPS HE WILL RENEW.
ET: Was he a Quaker?
PJ: No, he never was, but his family was.
ET to SC: Did you know that?
SC: Well, I think she mentioned it once before.
PJ: He has renewed his interest in the Society of Friends recently, since
his father, but he was not technically ever a Quaker. How can WJ find
changes and secrets less threatening? How can I present changes in myself so
they are less threatening to him?
BY PREFACING THE CHANGES WITH SOMETHING FAMILIAR. TEACH THE CHANGES AFTER
REVIEW.
ET: As I see it, Michael is saying first give him something familiar, then
from there, what is different; something like peeping around the corner.
PJ: I guess I'm searching for a for instance.
All of a sudden we're having this huge body of information about souls, and
it must be important, and I would like an overview. Is this information
going to be practical to me? Can I use it? Why this topic?
THIS IS ANOTHER OVERLEAF, AND INTEGRATION MUST TAKE PLACE BEFORE YOU ARE
ABLE TO PERCEIVE THE SYNTHESIS, WHICH OF COURSE MUST PRECEDE PERCEPTION OF
THE TAO. YES, IT CAN BE OF GREAT VALUE TO YOU. BODY-TYPING ANSWERS SOME
QUESTIONS. THIS [soul age] ANSWERS STILL ANOTHER SET OF QUESTIONS. THIS IS A
BROADER OVERLEAF, AND THERE ARE MORE.
RH: I knew there would be more. I just knew it!
ES: I have a daughter, 26 years old, who is miserable. How can I help her to
enjoy life more?
MATURE SOULS DO NOT USUALLY "ENJOY" LIFE UNLESS THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY SOULS
IN BLISS. THIS IS A DIFFICULT CYCLE. WE MUST EMPHASIZE THIS DIFFICULTY. THE
MATURE SOUL IS BESET WITH MANY PROBLEMS, ALL INTRINSIC. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN
HELP IS TO MAKE THE ENVIRONMENT NON-STRESSFUL, SO THAT SHE HAS SANCTUARY.
THE MATURE SOUL OFTEN SEEKS PROFESSIONAL HELP ON ITS OWN.
PJ: Can someone, in one lifetime, go from a Mature soul to being an Old
soul?
SC: They have said so.
PJ: Because that is what I feel has happened to me, very much so. I used to
see everybody as they wished to be seen, and as they perceived me. I
believed in their perceptions too.
THAT WAS BECAUSE YOU WERE RAISED BY MATURE SOULS.
RC: Yeah, apparently until you are about 35, this thing doesn't really go
into effect.
SC: The soul manifests at that point whether or not you've allowed it to.
ES: I am at the present time trying to look deeper into myself; make contact
with myself. Will I get anywhere there?
YES. MEDITATION WOULD HELP.
ES: Yes, that is what I've been feeling that I should be doing.
RH: Would you like some suggestions on how to do it?
ES: How to get with it?
TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IS EXCELLENT FOR THOSE STARTING LATE.
RC: If you want to get help professionally, there is a thing in Berkeley
called the Student's Meditation Center. They teach you how to do it
properly.
ET: Of course, there are TM groups all over the place.
ES: We have Shanti.
RH: Yes, but she's not a Transcendental Meditator.
ES: She does Zen meditation.
RC: No, that's very difficult. From all that I've read, the TM is the way to
start, then you can go into the more refined forms of meditation.
ES: I did some mediation years back, but I didn't have any kind of intense
experience. I had a feeling of disconnection from the total, but I didn't
have a vivid sensation.
RH: There is a Transcendental Meditation center in Walnut Creek. You could
call them and find out if there is one closer to you.
ES: I have reservations about whether I am open enough to take it. I wonder
if I'm too rigid.
YOU ARE IN NO WAY RIGID.
ES: Well, I am also sensitive about those things which work for me, and
being from the old country [Greece], I sometimes have reservations about
some of the things that may work for other people in this culture.
THIS CULTURE NOTWITHSTANDING, YOU MUST VERIFY THE EFFICACY OF THE METHOD
YOURSELF.
RH: Transcendental Meditation comes from India anyway, and not from this
culture.
The group then ascertained that ES was Greek, and we discussed the fact the
Michael had told SC and RC that if they were really interested in "reading"
the Gospels, they should learn Greek.
RC: We asked them about the disciples of Christ and whether any of them were
old souls, and they said that only Luke was. Then I asked them if it would
do me any good if I went back to the Bible and read Luke, and they said only
if you can read Greek. Then we asked where we could get an accurate
translation, and they said that they would make it available to us.
ET: I just read "Dear and Glorious Physician" by Taylor Caldwell, about
Lucaneus. I read that and I said to myself, her perception of Luke is right:
he is an Old soul.
ES: I have a Greek Bible and it is a pretty old one a pretty authentic
version.
RC: Let's ask for a comment.
THE GREEK BIBLE USED BY THE PATRIARCH OF ATHENS AND RECOMMENDED BY HIM WOULD
BE VALUABLE. THERE WERE REVISIONS MADE IN 1866. HE USES AN UNREVISED
VERSION. HE IS A SCHOLAR.
SC: Who is the Patriarch of Athens?
ES: Well, he is one of the five Patriarchs. The seat of the church is in
Istanbul the chief Patriarch but they are in Jerusalem and Cairo.
Can we have the name of the translator?
ANISTARCHOS.
ET: You know what comes to my mind when you are talking about the Greek
Bible, is that somebody probably took the King James Version, and some
missionary translated it into Greek and sent it back to them.
ES: I understand that Christ himself talked in Greek. The language is really
very beautiful. I question, and I don't know whether this is proper, your
capacity to learn Greek and understand the Bible, because this is in a
little different level of Greek, and is not very common today. It is not in
the ancient Greek language, but not in the common Greek language of today
either.
PJ: It would be like trying to read Chaucerian English.
THE LANGUAGE COULD BE LEARNED. WE DID NOT SAY THAT IS WAS EITHER EASY OR
NECESSARY. IT IS SIMPLY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN DISTORTIONS WITH EACH REFORM.
GREECE WAS NOT AN EXCEPTION.
SC: Maybe we should read the translation of this "Aristargos", but then (to
ES) you say you've never heard of him.
ET: I have a feeling that that should be "Anastarchos".
THAT IS CORRECT.
RC: Would it be a valid statement to say that, of the Bible Luke would be
the most valuable scholar, and that that translation would be the best if we
really wanted to get the meat out of the Bible.
YES. ANOTHER WAY IS THROUGH US.
SC: I wanted to pursue that thing we started the other day about "Israel"
being an allegory, meaning "cast out souls". He told us that Israel, as
referred to in the Old Testament, was an allegory, and it referred to souls
being cast from the Tao.
RH: "Israel" is used to try to explain the inexplicable.
SC: He said that the firstborn experienced the feeling of being cast from
the homeland. The homeland was not a place in Palestine. It was the place
from which the souls come.
At this point there were three conversations going on at once. One concerned
the allegorical nature of the Bible; one concerned acoustical holograms;
another concerned the Gospel of Luke. Then we asked for a comment from
Michael on Israel.
THAT CONCEPT SHOULD GIVE YOU NO GREAT CONFLICT. THE ENTIRE BOOK IS
ALLEGORICAL.
RH: I liked Matthew. Luke was more poetic, so was John, but Matthew seemed
to have the meat for me.
RC: Can we have a statement about Matthew?
HE WAS A RELATIVELY PERCEPTIVE YOUNG SOUL.
ET: I have a question that is burning my heart. To me it wouldn't matter if
he said read John or Mark or Matthew or Luke, because they are all
translations, ad nauseum, and maybe the great original Luke was the best,
but I have no relation to the great, original Luke. Recently on my trip I
read a book by Meher Baba and it really tore me up, because he said, "I am
the Christ, I am God, I've gone all the way up and I've been united with the
all". Then he says, "yes, I catch colds, and I do this and that". I also
know that Baba Ullah says, "I was Christ, who was Muhammed, and now I am
here!"
SC: And Saiya Baba says that also.
ET: Yeah, OK, and then there were the five perfect masters that Maher Baba
talks about. Maharaj Gee, the 14-year old Guru calls himself the "Perfect
Master". There are so many "masters" and there are so many "Christ
principles" and "God principles", and I sure would like some clarifying help
in this.
THE INFINITE SOUL MANIFESTED THROUGH THE PHYSICAL FORMS OF LAO TSU, SRI
KRISHNA, SIDDHARTHA GAUTAMA, AND JESUS NO OTHERS. THE TRANSCENDENTAL SOUL
HAS MANIFESTED THROUGH SOCRATES, ZARATHRUSTRA, THROUGH MUHAMMED, AND THROUGH
MOHANDAS GANDHI [and some others: Amenhotep, for instance].
ET: What about Maher Baba?
NO, HE IS AN OLD SOUL WHO HAD A VISION.
ET: And Baba Ullah?
THIS IS A YOUNG SOUL WITH DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR, SAME AS MAHARAJ GEE.
ET: What about Sri Aurobindo?
HE IS, OR WAS, AN OLD SOUL, FINAL CYCLE; [he] IS NOW PART OF THE LOWER
CAUSAL BODY. HE IS WORTH EMULATING. WE FIND NO FAULT WITH HIS WORKS.
RH: I would like to ask about my son, RH Jr., whom he has said was a final
cycle Old soul, and he is out there tinkering with his car. I guess I'm
below him in the cycles and I can't help him. What can I do to help him?
WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY PROBLEMS IN R.H.Jr. WE FIND NO FAULT WITH HIM. HE
HAS FEW RIBBONS TO BURN. HE HAS ALMOST COMPLETELY RETURNED TO HIS PRIMEVAL
ESSENCE. HE IS BORED A BIT.
ET: I want to finish my theme now. It helps me to put this in the
perspective of who to read, who not to read, and who to listen to.
Apparently, we are going to have a return again of the Infinite soul around
the year 2,000?
SC: Within 100 years of the appearance of the Transcendental Soul. It has
happened every time.
WE HAVE TOLD YOU THAT.
RH: There will be an anti-Christ preceding him, who was born in 1964. He
will lead many astray.
THE ANTI-CHRIST IS NOT "EVIL", JUST MISGUIDED, BUT IT IS IN THE KARMA OF
MANY TO FOLLOW THIS MAN. MANY HAVE THIS RIBBON TO DEAL WITH. THERE MUST ALSO
BE AN ANTITHESIS TO COMPLETE THE MONAD. PAUL [Saul of Tarsus] WILL ALSO
RETURN.
A question was lost in the changing of the tapes. However, Michael's answer
leads one to assume that the question concerned John the Baptist, as
described by Seth.
JOHN WAS A FRAGMENT, NOT A MANIFESTATION [of the Transcendental or Infinite
soul]. PAUL WAS A YOUNG SOUL WHO WAS A ZEALOT [later said to be a Priest in
Role].
The next question was also lost, but it concerned the fact that John [the
Baptist] was presumably a reincarnation of Elias.
YOU ARE CORRECT, ELIAS WAS A PART OF THE INFINITE SOUL AT THE TIME OF THE
MANIFESTATION. THE CAUSAL BODY EVOLVED. THE HIGH PLANES EACH HAVE SEVEN
LEVELS. THE FRAGMENTS INTEGRATE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. WHEN THE INTEGRATION
TAKES PLACE, EVOLUTION SUPERVENES.
RH: Down here where I am, on this poor old physical plane, could you send me
a little more energy?
TAP THE PROPER SOURCE AND THE ENERGY WILL BE THERE. EMOTIONAL ENERGY RESULTS
IN A POWERFUL LEAK WHEN USED TO FEED OTHER CENTERS.
SC: Remember what they said the last time, that you used Emotional Center a
lot. They agreed that you were Intellectually Centered, but that you used
Emotional Center a lot.
AH: How can he get to the source?
BY NOT REACTING TO THE MAYA OF THE PHYSICAL PLANE. THIS RESULTS IN A DRAIN.
NO AMOUNT OF STEWING IN ONE'S OWN JUICES WILL MAKE A MECHANICAL OBJECT
PERFORM BEYOND ITS OPTIMAL LEVEL.
RC: I think that reinforces my statement, RH.
ET: Are they talking about your car?
ES: No.
AH: No, they are talking about him.
ET: I still think that that has to do with his car and not his body and I
would like clarification.
IT HAS TO DO WITH BOTH THE CAR AND THE BODY. NEITHER CAN BE PUSHED BEYOND
ITS LIMITS ON THE SHEER FORCE OF EMOTIONAL ENERGY.
SC to RH and ET: By the way, speaking of this, what is the significance of
migrating arthralgias?
AH: Are you getting one?
SC: I had this excruciating pain in my hand, and we asked Michael what it
was, and they said "SC has a migrating arthralgias".
PJ: Until I went to the doctor the other day, I'd never heard of that.
ET: Arthralgia means pain in a joint.
PJ: And not inflammation?
ET: Well maybe, maybe not, it doesn't say that. It just says that there is a
pain there.
SC: No, I just wanted to know if it was psychosomatic.
ET: You can have migratory arthralgia as a symptom of many things. It does
not point to one disease.
RC: Instead of speculating, let's just ask.
S.C. IS NOT SOMATIZING. S.C. HAS STRAINED THE JOINT.
RH: If I am evolving at all, it is invisible to me, and I've been studying
Gurdjieff, and then Ouspensky, and now this, and the longer I go at this,
the less I seem to know. I seem to be evolving backwards.
THIS IS MORE APPARENT THAN REAL. YOU ARE NOW IN TOUCH WITH THE SYNTHESIS,
AND THIS IS NOT AN EASY CONCEPT. COULD YOU APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY OF THE
DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION IF YOU DID NOT FIRST HAVE UNDERSTANDING OF ALGEBRA AND
THE LINEAR EQUATION? THE MORE DIMENSIONS YOU EXPLORE, THE MORE DIFFICULT THE
EXPLORATION BECOMES.
RH: But I feel lousy.
THE BODY IS TIRED; THE ESSENCE IS BORED. WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM THAT
COMBINATION? WE WOULD EXPECT A WEARINESS OF THE ENTIRE PSYCHOSOMATIC
APPARATUS.
RH: What can I do?
SLEEP WILL HELP THE BODY. THE ESSENCE MUST PURSUE ECSTASY IN IT'S OWN WAY,
OR IT IS BORED.
RH: There is no way. I just know there is no way.
WE THINK THAT YOU WILL FIND THAT WAY.
RC: I will finish the book on Gandhi tomorrow. Then what should I do?
FIRST MAKE SURE THAT ABSORPTION HAS TAKEN PLACE. THEN CONTINUE WITH THE
MEDITATION. ANY OF THE ADEPTS AND MASTERS WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING
WOULD BE VALUABLE.
RC: To me, Gandhi seemed weak and sick most of his life.
HIS DIET WAS TERRIBLE.
RC:  But was that good work?
IT WAS GOOD WORK FOR HIM. IT ALSO ACCOMPLISHED HIS PURPOSE. THE HIGH CAUSAL
BODY HAS NO ATTACHMENT FOR THE PHYSICAL PLANE.
RC: But wouldn't he have been more effective if he had been healthier?
Wouldn't he have reached more people?
NO, HE WOULD HAVE REACHED FAR FEWER. WHEN HE FASTED, THOSE WHO LOVED HIM
ATTEMPTED TO BRING ABOUT THE CHANGES HE DESIRED IN ORDER TO PERSUADE HIM TO
BREAK HIS FAST.
At this point the session was terminated by mutual consent.
 

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