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 September 8, 1973




08 September 1973

Present: RH and AH and KH, RC and SC and DC, MAH (RH's mother), C and I. A word of introduction to C: RH and AH have known him since he was a baby. His mother and father we knew 19 years ago and have kept up an acquaintance with ever since. C's mom used to call him "R". The mom and pop are no longer
together and C is in San Francisco enrolled in the San Francisco State University in music. He just happened to come by with a girl friend, I.

SC to KH: Do you feel as old as "they" say you are?

KH: Before hearing that, I thought I was a new soul.

K.H. SHOULD HAVE NO REAL DOUBTS. MODESTY IS A PART OF FALSE PERSONALITY. MORE ERUDITE SOULS CALL IT "HUMILITY" [it] MEANS THE SAME [thing].

RC: Why did you call her "K?"

WE FEEL AN AFFINITY FOR K.H. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, A DISPLAY OF MODESTY IS AN APPEAL FOR ATTENTION AND EXPRESSES JUST THE OPPOSITE OF THAT WHICH THE SOUL
DESIRES.

RH: I would like to ask about C's mother.

C'S MOTHER IS A MATURE SOUL WHO FEELS THE VIBRATIONS OF THOSE AROUND HER INTENSELY. RIGHT NOW THERE IS MUCH TENSION, UNREST,  MANY QUESTIONS, [and] MUCH SEARCHING. THIS MAKES HER UNCOMFORTABLE.

C: Will she be able to work it out?

ONLY IF THOSE AROUND HER ALLEVIATE THE CONDITIONS FOR HER HER REACTIONS TO YOUR PERCEPTIONS, NOT HERS. SHE IS ALSO CAUGHT UP MUCH MORE IN THE ENTHRALLMENT OF MAYA THAN OLDER SOULS. PROBLEMS DO EXIST ON HER PLANE. THEY ARE VERY REAL TO HER. THE OLDER SOUL BEGINS TO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS EXCEPT THOSE CREATED BY FALSE PERSONALITY AS A DEFENSE.

RH: Is C an Old soul? And also my mother?

M.A.H. IS A SECOND LEVEL OLDER SOUL. M.A.H. HAS BEEN WITH YOU ALL IN SYRIA. SHE HAS BEEN WITH [her daughters] C.H. AND V.H. SINCE. C. IS A MATURE SOUL.

C: What is a Mature soul?

A MATURE SOUL PERCEIVES OTHERS AS THEY PERCEIVE THEMSELVES. SOMETIMES THIS MAKES LIVING DIFFICULT. THE MATURE SOULS IS NOT AS OPEN TO THE OCCULT AS THE
OLDER SOUL. THE MATURE SOUL PERCEIVES BEAUTY WITH A CLARITY NOT FOUND IN EARLIER CYCLE. AT THE END OF THE CYCLE, THE MATURE SOUL BEGINS TO PERCEIVE TRUTH. THIS PREPARES THE SOUL FOR THE SEARCH.

C: Was there anything besides my desire for growth that brought me to these people?

YOU HAVE BEEN WITH R.H. IN PREVIOUS LIVES. THERE ARE NO ADVERSE RIBBONS BETWEEN YOU. YOU HAVE ALSO BEEN WITH P.J.

C: Who is PJ?

RH: She is someone we met about six months ago, and she has slipped right into our circle like an old friend.

KH: I would like to ask if I'm putting on modesty which erudites call "humility".

AT A DEEPER LEVEL, YES, BECAUSE THE ESSENCE OF THAT WHICH IS REALLY K.H. KNOWS THE SCORE. THE FALSE PERSONALITY IS MAKING A LAST DITCH STAND TO SURVIVE.

KH: I've been feeling that.

MAH: Could we have comments about CH (her daughter who is also visiting us but went to Los Angeles to visit her son for the weekend).

C.H. IS ALSO A MATURE SOUL. THIS CYCLE IS REALLY FRAUGHT WITH MAYA, MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER, BECAUSE THE PERCEPTION OF THE OLDER SOUL BEGINS TO EMERGE, BUT THE UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT. THE MATURE SOUL FEELS ALL OF THE HOSTILE VIBRATIONS AROUND THEM. THEY HAVE A NEED TO REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM THIS, BUT ARE TOO CAUGHT UP IN THE TRADITIONAL MORES TO REMOVE THEMSELVES ENTIRELY.
THEY FEEL A CERTAIN SENSE OF DUTY WHICH DOES NOT DISSIPATE UNTIL THE TRANSITION [to old soul] IS MADE. THIS IS WHY A SKILLED THERAPIST WOULD BE OF HELP IN THIS CYCLE. IN C'S CASE, GESTALT [Therapy] WOULD BE OF VALUE.

SC: They said something last time about Emotionally Centered people not being helped by Gestalt Therapy.

BY THE THERAPIST, I DON'T MEAN A YOUNG SOUL PRACTICING PSYCHIATRY, EITHER.

RC: Could you tell where our friend, who is a psychologist, is at?

F. IS A YOUNG SOUL.

RH: Could the problem my sister, CH, has with her daughter, M, be because M is an Infant soul?

M. IS AN INFANT SOUL.

RH: That's good. That means I'm picking up on where people's souls are, and Michael told me I must do that. What are Infant souls?

SC: Infant souls perceive their environment as "me and not me", and if "not me" is hostile, they withdraw or get into all sorts of trouble. If everything outside "me" is not OK, they are hostile. Things to the older soul are not as big a shock as to the new soul. Everything to them is new and they experience it as a shock.

INFANT SOULS ARE OFTEN GIVEN TO MATURE SOULS FOR GROWTH.

KH: Given in what way? Are they led to you as children?

THE SOUL BETWEEN PHYSICAL LIVES CHOOSES TO HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE.

MAH: Where is C tonight? Could Michael say anything about what she is doing?

C. IS SLEEPING.

SC: Where is she?

MAH: She went to Los Angeles to visit her son.

THIS SOUL IS WEARY. SHE HAS SELECTED MUCH KARMA FOR HERSELF. SHE WILL ATTEMPT IN THIS LIFETIME TO BURN OUT ALL THOSE RIBBONS INCURRED IN THE YOUNG SOUL'S FINAL LEVEL.

Do you mean in her own lifetimes as a Young soul?

YES. SHE IS NOW [a] FIRST LEVEL OLD SOUL.

CH: They told DJ at the "I Am Sanctuary" that she had four incredibly difficult lives, and there was only one karmic ribbon left for her. That was that she would have to lose a child. Yes, she has gone through that.

IT IS GOOD THAT R.H. IS BEGINNING TO APPLY THE INFORMATION. THERE IS EVEN GRATITUDE FELT ON THIS [mid causal] LEVEL.

RH: I thought about how to apply the soul level to M and felt M is extremely naive.

What is I.'s soul Age?

RH: Probably a Young soul.

YOU ARE CORRECT: LATE CYCLE YOUNGER SOUL. I. HAS ALREADY DONE HER EARTHSHAKING, THOUGH THERE IS STILL DESIRE THERE TO CREATE HARMONY BY FORCING OTHERS INTO A MOLD: "IF THEY WOULD JUST BEHAVE IN A SPECIFIC FASHION, 'THINGS' WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT SMOOTHER".

C: I don't feel that about I. She doesn't force anybody.

SC: That's how she feels.

RH: She may try to manipulate those around her so things will go smoothly.

C: There's an I. that nobody knows. Could we get a comment on that?

AT A DEEPER LEVEL, I. WOULD MUCH PREFER THAT THEY WENT HER WAY.

I: Of course I would.

RH: Obviously I. is under the influence of Venus, and it is not like
Venusians to be manipulative.

OH YES THEY ARE. THEY ARE EXCELLENT SILENT MANIPULATORS. THEODORA WAS A YOUNG SOUL (cries from I.: "Oh, one minute") UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF VENUS.

More cries from I.: Oh, I have a question. Who is Theodora?

SC [a student of Roman history]: Theodora was Justinian's consort. She manipulated the whole Roman Empire.

I.: I freaked out because my father's mother, whom I've never met, was named Dora. (She had been looking over the writer's shoulder, and "Theo" had been written on one page and the "Dora" on the next and all she saw was "Dora".)

OLDER SOULS ARE MORE OVERT IN THEIR MANIPULATIONS.

I: Does this mean I should work out now this karma, or is this a natural thing?

THIS IS A NATURAL PART OF THE CYCLE. IT [trying to work out your karma as a Young soul] WOULD BE LIKE DYEING YOUR HAIR: THE CHANGE WOULD BE ONLY TEMPORARY AND PROBABLY NOT TO YOUR LIKING.

I.: Probably not.

C: I've been accused of being grossly insensitive. Is that part of the Mature soul perceiving other people as they perceive themselves, or is that something else?

THAT IS SHIELDING, C. YOU DO IT TO PROTECT YOURSELF. YOU PERCEIVE THE UNHAPPY ONES AROUND YOU, AND AT A DEEPER LEVEL YOU ALSO KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT HELP THEM. YOU CAN ALSO NOT STAND THE RAW EMOTIONAL STRENGTH.

C: There's someone I've had a strong psychological relationship with lately who kind of broke off our relationship because she said I was insensitive, and it has hurt me a lot, and I wondered, will that be resolved in this life?

NO. SHE PERCEIVES HERSELF AS BEING WRONGED. THIS IS HER PROBLEM.

What level is she?

SHE IS A YOUNG SOUL.

SC: She feels you did it to her. This is how she sees it.

RC: Wash your hands and start all over.

SC: Whenever you encounter anyone with that attitude, you can't do anything about it.

C: By complete off chances, we physically and psychologically collide at the oddest times, and I can't believe it can be stopped by this.

NO, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO COLLIDE, BUT THE RELATIONSHIP WILL NEVER BE A SATISFACTORY ONE.

C: I can believe that.

KH: I would like to be more in touch with that part of me that "knows the score".

MEDITATION WOULD HELP. THAT PART OF YOU REALIZES THE INTENSE INTERNAL STRUGGLE. IT IS ALMOST LIKE WAR RIGHT NOW. THE FALSE PERSONALITY SENSES THAT IT IS LOSING AND WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT.

MH: That's pretty good for C, isn't it?

C: It cleared up a big conflict for me. If I can believe it, I can get a clear idea of certain actions to take.

I.: There are a few people I'd like to know if there's a growth thing with: my father; a boy named John; my sister.

IT IS TOO EARLY FOR THIS TO BE ENTIRELY CORRECT FOR YOU, I. WHAT YOU FEEL ARE FAMILY TIES. YOUR FATHER EXERTS MUCH INFLUENCE OVER YOU.

I.: Alternately, I exert influence over him.

YOU DO. YOU ARE BOTH YOUNG SOULS.

I.: That clears up one thing.

C: What can I do to clear up the troubles with my body, and get in tune with it more. (C has suffered with asthma most of his life.) It's really hanging me up lately.

STRUCTURAL INTEGRATION WOULD HELP; ALSO YOGA NOT THE EASY ASANAS, THE HARD ONES.

C: Would someone explain "structural integration"?

Voices in chorus: That's Rolfing. We can explain that later and perhaps put you in touch with an experienced Rolfer.

HIKING WITH COMPATIBLE SOULS WOULD ALSO BE GOOD.

RC: The Sierra Club offers much for singles program.

KH: Who should I go to, to meditate with better.

CHOGYAM TRUNGPA'S METHODS WOULD WORK FOR YOU.

KH: What? Who is that?

SC: He's a Tibetan Llama from Delhi. He has one place in Vermont, and another in Colorado.

SHE COULD READ THE BOOK OR COULD SEEK HIM OUT. EITHER WOULD WORK. THE LATTER WOULD BE MORE INTERESTING. HE IS A BEAUTIFUL, JOYOUS ESSENCE. FIND HIM.

SC: Where could she probably find him?

SHE COULD FIND HIM AT HIS ASHRAM IN VERMONT.

C: Why does he choose to address me as C?

RC: He always uses the full name, except for KH he calls her "K" instead of her given name, K.

NICKNAMES ARE A PART OF FALSE PERSONALITY, SOMETIMES EVEN THE FALSE PERSONALITY OF THE PARENTS AND NOT THE SOUL ITSELF. THE PARENTS OFTEN GIVE THE CHILD A NAME WITH SOCIAL SIGNIFICANCE, THEN PROMPTLY CHANGE IT.

RH: Oh, yes. We named KH, "K", then promptly started calling her "K".

C: Questioning Michael's awareness of things would be kind of ridiculous, but I just wondered if they are aware of all the shit that went on with my name?

RC:  Do you have direct access to the Akashic Records?

YES.

C: What are "Akashic Records"?

SC: We have been told that Akashic Records are photographic records of everything that's happened, and what happens is OK and part of your growth for you at the time it happens. This may not be entirely true.

What Bodytype is C?

C. COMES UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE MOON AND VENUS, AND IS EMOTIONALLY CENTERED.

RH: Old souls seem to lack enthusiasm for their jobs. A. could be an Old soul. Maybe we're having difficulty because he's in transition from Mature to Old soul.

C: How long in terms of years are there between lifetimes?

RH: They tell us it could be 200 years and perhaps as short as five between lives. In between you go to classes, while the soul is in transition.

C: I think in this life my father has made a big jump a year ago. There have been incredibly psychic things that have happened with my girl friend, and I always wonder if things will work out. Why don't you go through all the Bodytypes so I'll have some idea what they mean. What does the order of Bodytypes mean?

AH: Probably your dad is a Saturn.

RH: No, he is more Jovial.

C: Has my father made a big jump in soul levels?

NO, HE IS A FIRST LEVEL OLDER SOUL. THE MEMORIES ARE THERE. HE IS RECALLING MORE (of his past life experiences).

I: What is my Center of gravity?

YOUR CENTER OF GRAVITY IS EMOTIONAL.

KH: What is mine?

K.H. WILL NOT LIKE THIS, BUT HERS IS INTELLECTUAL.

Chorus: That fits.

KH: Am I not emotional sometimes?

SOMETIMES.

AH: Am I Moving Centered?

NO, YOU TOO (are Intellectual). YOU USE THE MOVING CENTER, BUT THAT IS NOT WHERE THE TRAPPED ESSENCE IS.

RH: I think I'm Centered in Intellectual part. I used to think I was in Emotional Center.

WE THINK SO TOO, BUT YOU USE EMOTIONAL CENTER OFTEN. YOU HAVE HAD A TENDENCY TOWARD DOWNWARD LEAKS. THIS IS NOT SO MUCH IN EVIDENCE NOW. YOU ARE MOVING TOWARD BALANCE.

SC: I don't feel I've ever gotten out of Moving Center.

RH: Was my father a late cycle Old soul whose personality was much bound up in false personality?

YES, BUT NOT LATE CYCLE EARLY. THIS IS WHY HE COULD NOT COME OUT OF THE FALSE PERSONALITY TO BE "REAL" TO YOU AND M.A.H. C.H. DID NOT PERCEIVE THIS. HE HAD DESIRE TO SEARCH, BUT NOT KNOWLEDGE OF THE GOAL. THE GOAL DOES NOT
BECOME CLEAR TO OTHER THAN OLDER SOULS. THAT IS WHY THE PENITENT ORDERS ARE ALMOST ENTIRELY COMPOSED OF MATURE SOULS. THEY PERCEIVE THE COLLECTIVE GUILT OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM AND ASSUME THAT IT IS THEY WHO HAVE SINNED. THERE IS NO "SIN", ONLY KARMA, AS THERE IS NO "EVIL", ONLY MAYA.

C: If my mother is an Old soul, why does she - - ?
SC: She's not. Michael says she's Mature. That's why she picked up the bad vibes from people around her.

C: How do you ask a silent question?

RC: Concentrate. Do not let thoughts stray from the one question. It is best to repeat verbally in your mind the question. The rest of us will attempt to blank our minds.

C asked the silent question.

IT WOULD BE WRONG WORK FOR YOU TO EVEN TRY MUCH WASTED ENERGY. YOU CANNOT CHANGE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF SELF AND YOU ARE NOT IN CONTACT WITH SELF. KARMA
IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT ONLY BY THOSE WHO KNOW. ANY ATTEMPT WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE WILL BE WASTED. YOU HAVE CHOSEN THIS ROLE. YOU HAVE ALSO CHOSEN THE COURSE YOUR LIFE MUST TAKE. UNLESS YOU KNOW WHY, THEN YOU CANNOT MAKE ALTERATIONS. I COULD TELL YOU WHY, BUT IT WOULD NOT CHANGE THE ROLE. WE CANNOT ERASE YOUR TAPES [subconscious programming].

C: It's still nebulous.

WHEN THE MATURE SOUL PERCEIVES THE UNHAPPY ONES, THE DESIRE IS TO SHIELD THE SELF FROM THE UNPLEASANT VIBRATIONS. YOU HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED THE BACKLASH FROM THIS, BUT KNOW THIS WELL, YOU CANNOT ALTER THEIR PLAY NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THEM.

SC: In other words, there is nothing you can do to make the unhappy ones around you happy. They have also chosen their roles.

C: My question had nothing to do with unhappy people.

SC: Apparently it has to do with altering karma. We can give you information on altering karma. We had an incident where, at Asilomar, there was a situation where a girl came knocking at our door, looking for a minister. We didn't think anything about it, and when we went back to the board, it told us she was contemplating taking her own life, and we asked if there wasn't
anything we could do to help her. The answer was, "NO", and that we should not interfere with her karma, and that if the person had asked us for help, then we should help; otherwise do not tamper with suicides. The first part was about altering karma. There's another comment THE COURSE YOU WISH TO FOLLOW WOULD NOT HOLD YOUR INTEREST LONG. KARMA MUST
BE BURNED.

How about people having congenital brain damage?

THIS IS THE PATH FOR THEM. USUALLY THEY DID NOT RELATE TO THIS DIFFICULTY IN A PREVIOUS LIFE.

I think what they [Michael] are saying is that these people did not
understand the situation before [they had they experience themselves]. Can this be verified on the Ouija board?

IT WAS IN ADOLPH HITLER'S KARMA TO BE BORN A JEW. HE HAS ALREADY BEEN BORN IN ISRAEL. IT WILL BE A SHORT LIFE.

Will his soul eventually die?

NO, THE SOUL IS ETERNAL. THE ESSENCE DOES NOT DIE; IT DOES NOT LIVE IT SIMPLY IS. [Adolph] HITLER WAS A YOUNG SOUL.
Is it fair to ask how old he is now? HE WAS BORN AGAIN IN [nineteen] SIXTY-TWO. (So he is ten years old.)

RH: I would like to ask about people who have led exemplary lives because of their religious beliefs, such as my grandfather. It seems like your Essence misses so much experience being so religious.

THAT IS CORRECT. USUALLY THE NEXT LIFE IS SPENT IN A WHIRLWIND OF ACTIVITY.

And after that, would it balance out?

THAT DEPENDS ON THE ACTIVITY. SOMETIMES THE SOUL OFTEN CHOOSES A RATHER VAIN, PURPOSELESS ROLE WHICH LEADS TO NO PARTICULAR GROWTH. THIS IS WHAT A "RESTING LIFE" IS ALL ABOUT. THAT IS WHY SOME SOULS SPEND MUCH TIME IN ONE
CYCLE. THE FIGURE "SEVEN" IS AN AVERAGE, NOT AN ABSOLUTE. THE YOUNG SOUL IS MUCH ATTACHED TO THE PHYSICAL BODY, AND LESSONS ARE OFTEN NOT LEARNED EVEN IN THE ASTRAL INTERVAL. THE YOUNG SOULS SEEK TO RETURN A SOON AS POSSIBLE. BEING OUT OF THE BODY IS UNPLEASANT FOR THE YOUNG SOUL. IT IS TERRIFYING FOR THE BABY SOUL, INTERESTING FOR THE MATURE SOUL, AND WELCOMED BY THE OLDER
SOUL.

When you get into the Old soul, do you remember your experiences more clearly?

YES. THE ABILITY TO RECALL DEPENDS ON THE RATE THE RIBBONS ARE BURNED.

RH: I have a question about conventional religions and how they influence people. I know it's a vague question, but people who become identified with a religion somehow limit their experience and don't seem to grow much, yet they may help other people. Christ did not look for His followers among the "righteous"; He looked among the "unrighteous".

HIS FOLLOWERS WERE ONLY UNRIGHTEOUS IN THE EYES OF CERTAIN BEHOLDERS. THE RITUALS DERIVED FROM THE RELIGIONS ARE GOOD WORK. THEY PRODUCE A GROUP HIGH, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY THAT BABY SOULS EVER EXPERIENCE A HIGH; THAT IS,
VICARIOUSLY (through others).

The channel commented on the feeling being very strong operating the Ouija board. Could they speak to me at other times?

WE SPEAK TO YOU NOW, K.H. IT IS UP TO YOU TO LISTEN. WE WILL SPEAK TO YOU THROUGH THE TYPEWRITER.

When I do that, it feels like "me". Some of the information has been contradictory. I wonder if it's my "many I's" [a Gurdjieff phrase for parts of one's false personality]? I have a problem with automatic writing. I feel I'm controlling; I argue with myself. In general, the information is valid. I get SC and we verify through the board.

Do you think the typewriter will become a religious archetype?

DO YOU?

It's as real as in this book: there's this world that worships the hydrogen atom because they got all messed up by another civilization who visited them too early in their history and told them about the periodic table and they didn't understand the atomic theory and so, over the centuries they developed this powerful religion around the hydrogen atom, built temples to
it, and they got all messed up because it came too early.

THAT IS VALID.

Which world is it?

THE NAME IS MEANINGLESS; THE DANGER IS REAL.

The beginning of religions is dangerous, not the hydrogen atom. They just simply did not understand anything they were told. How do religions deviate so far?

WE CANNOT REACH THE YOUNG SOULS. THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF YOUR WORLD.

Is Richard Nixon a Young soul?

NO, HE IS NOT. HE IS A LAST CYCLE BABY SOUL.

People with money are Young souls. That is what their goal is.
RH: Michael have never told us about war.

C: It's karmically programmed to happen.

IT HAPPENS BECAUSE YOUNG SOULS ARE IN THE MAJORITY ON YOUR WORLD. THEY ARE LARGELY MOTIVATED BY THE DESIRE FOR MATERIAL ACHIEVEMENT. THIS IS AN ALIENATING GOAL.

RH: Why did Christ judge the Pharisees [a strict Jewish sect], and speak of people being cast out into darkness?

HE WAS DESCRIBING PRECISELY WHAT THEY WOULD ENCOUNTER ON THE ASTRAL INTERVAL. HE DID NOT JUDGE, HE KNEW THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. JUDGMENT IMPLIES AN ALTERNATIVE; THERE WAS NONE. WHEN A MASTER SPEAKS, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DISCUSSION.

C: Where on the wheel of reincarnation is the enlightened youth culture of today, such as Richard Alpert [who calls himself "Ram Das"] and Alan Watts? Are they older souls?

WATTS IS; ALPERT IS NOT.

I.: My grandfather just died, and I would like to know where he was.

HE WAS ALSO A LATE CYCLE YOUNG SOUL.

RH: You can have a Baby soul in a 70 year old person.

KH: Is "self-remembering" [a Gurdjieff term for being aware of your awareness] a part of meditation?

NO, BUT IT IS AN EXCELLENT FORM OF CONCENTRATION THE HIGHEST FORM TO BE EXACT. MEDITATION REQUIRES AN EMPTY HEAD.

SC: Michael told us there is a difference. Both have their place and the goals are different. What is the difference between meditation and concentration?

MEDITATION IS THE EMPTYING OF THE MIND OF MAYA. CONCENTRATION IS THE ACTIVE ACQUISITION OF HIGHER KNOWLEDGE: THE LOGOS.

SC: We were told when you "meditate" under [the influence of] marijuana, you are "concentrating". RC asked if a mantra was better for him than marijuana. They answered that, for meditation the mantra was better. They are different.

RH: Then you're concentrating on the Maya, then you concentrate on higher knowledge, not Maya.

KH: It seems that I am constantly taking in impressions all the time (under grass) and am not in illusion.

SELF-REMEMBERING CAN BE DEFINED AS FOLLOWS: YOU ARE SITTING IN A FIELD. YOU SEE THE SUNLIGHT. YOU SEE IT AND FEEL ITS EFFECT ON YOU. YOU ALSO FEEL AND SEE ITS EFFECTS ON THE TREES. YOU CAN SEE AND FEEL ITS EFFECTS ON YOUR ENTIRE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT AT ONCE: THE SUNLIGHT FILTERING THROUGH THE TREES, THE SUNLIGHT CALLING THE BEES TO ACTION, THE SUNLIGHT ON YOUR BACK, THE SUNLIGHT AS RADIANT ENERGY, THE SUN AS A SOURCE OF LIGHT AND HEAT. YOU CAN HOLD ALL OF THESE IMPRESSIONS SEPARATELY AND YET RECOGNIZE THEM AS AN INTEGRATED WHOLE. TO DO THIS REQUIRES SEPARATION FROM MAYA.

KH: Our goal is to wake up the self. Do not these two techniques have the same goal?

YES.

C: In day-to-day, apart from sleeping, when does the soul come closest to cosmic awareness?

THE AVERAGE SOUL GLIMPSES THE HIGHER ONLY IN MOMENTS OF EXTREME STRESS OR AGONY.

C: I was thinking it had something to do with sex.

SC: That's the worst energy leak of all; also the biggest Maya of all. It is also the biggest thing here to go upward, but usually people go downward with it.

RC: There was an experience I had about, "Are solid objects solid?" They said they are "Maya" too.

I.: I have a question on self-remembering. If you are aware of all these things on some levels, does the soul manifest in animals or plants, or is it always human?

RC: We've had a session where this came up. The example was the experience of an animal being hunted and being shot. You cannot do it on a lower level.

I.: Is there an animal soul, or group soul? Would it be special?

RC: There is someone who is interested in that, and I don't want to put you off, but I don't want to go through it twice. Could you wait for your answer? The high causal body throws or sends fragments in animal forms for an experience. The fragments or animal forms are not real in the sense that it is physical. It is composed of astral matter, sometimes. It is not karma, but it is the experience to experience the hunt and the hunted.

I.: I would like to know the answer to the question about group souls when you do ask. What is a Rosicrucian?

SC: It is a society which apparently began in Egypt, at the time of the Pharaohs. It has to do with the occult arts. It is one of the oldest esoteric schools. They study these things, such as astral projection.

C: It is a split on eternity, like "send your sinuses on vacation".

WHEN THE TEACHER DIES, THE TEACHING PASSES INTO LITERATURE AND SHOULD BE REGARDED AS SUCH. (Regarding the Rosicrucians.)

KH: That's interesting. There is no live master here.

WE ARE COSMIC INFLUENCE. [This is another concept from Gurdjieff about types of influences we experience in life, with cosmic influence coming from spiritual planes.]

I.: I wonder about my growth and how did I happen to come here.

YOU HAPPENED TO BE WITH A MEDIUM.

AH: I would like to know how to untrap my intellect.

CONCENTRATION IS AN EXCELLENT EXERCISE FOR YOU.

AH: Erhard Sensitivity Training helped me to concentrate, but I seem to have lost some of the ability when I went to the mountains.

RC: Did you lose it because you were out of touch with it and should have kept it up?

AH: I guess so. I'll enroll again. It did open up some feelings.
RC: Let us ask if it would be of value to us.

IT WOULD BE A VALUABLE EXPERIMENT.

RH: For KH and CH and RC?

K.H. AND R.C. YES. S.H. WOULD ENJOY IT, BUT DON'T EXPECT HER HAVING THE SAME EXPERIENCE. SHE WILL PERCEIVE THE EXPERIENCE IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LIGHT.

Would that apply to C?

IT IS NOT THE MOST DESIRABLE FORM OF INTEGRATED THERAPY FOR C. WE HAVE ALREADY OUTLINED THE PLAN FOR HIM.

KH: I have a tendency to avoid groups other than my own (RB's) in order to keep my directed goal.

IT SHOULD NOT ALTER THE PHILOSOPHY. ALL OLD SOULS SEE THE SYNTHESIS.

SC: He's already told us Werner Erhard was an Old soul who had a good exercise for Old souls.

C: Did my mother benefit from Esalen? [This is a resort in northern California for physical and psychological and spiritual healing.]

NO.

SC: I still would like to go to Esalen and take a bath. It feels so good. That feels like power ground for me. Are there power grounds for certain people?

CERTAIN SOULS REACT TO THE EMANATIONS OF SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENT. S.C. TUNES IN TO WILD, ISOLATED SPLENDOR; K.H., TOO.

RH: In regard to Christ, when the Ouija board said, "When the teacher dies, the teaching dies", did they mean Christ?

THE DESCENT OF THE HIGH MENTAL BODY SUPERSEDES ALL THAT HAS GONE BEFORE. THE HIGH MENTAL BODY DOES NOT LIVE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU KNOW LIFE. WHEN THE "AVATAR" [its physical manifestation] DESCENDS, THE LOGOS IS BROUGHT TO
BEAR. THIS IS NOT A TEACHING. WHEN THE AVATAR DESCENDS AGAIN, THE LOGOS WILL AGAIN BE BROUGHT TO BEAR, BUT IN THE LANGUAGE OF TODAY. TEACHINGS ARE INTERPRETATIONS OF THE LOGOS. THEY MUST BE UPDATED, NOT BECAUSE THE LOGOS
CHANGES, BUT BECAUSE LANGUAGE DOES.

I.: What is "logos"?

SC: The knowledge.

RH: "In the beginning was the word. The word was God." [John 1:1.]

SC: They are saying the teachings aren't the logos; they are just the interpretations of the logos, and the interpretations have to be constantly changed.

RH: Well, they had better hurry up because we have hydrogen warheads aimed at Russia and they at us and there may not be a world to spread the logos to.

AH: Perhaps we will go to another world.

IT IS NOT IN THE PLAN TO DESTROY THIS PLANET, YET.

RH: That's nice.

C: I would like to change the subject to something personal. How prominently in my growth did my experience in February of 1972 with LSD figure?

IT WAS ALL RIGHT. WE FEEL THAT THE GAIN WAS SIGNIFICANT.

I.: I recently made a big move physically, and I wondered if that move . . .

SC: You have your answer already, whatever the question is.

THE NEED WAS SATISFIED.

I.: That's what I thought.

KH: Back to being modest: is there any other act I could put on?

OPENNESS WOULD BE THE BEST APPROACH. YOU ARE QUITE OPEN, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME CLOSED CORRIDORS. YOU ARE CONSCIOUS OF THE FUTILITY OF ANGER, BUT ARE NOT QUITE SURE OF HOW TO HANDLE WHAT YOU INTERPRET AS ANGER, SO YOU TEND TO AVOID SITUATIONS WHICH MIGHT GIVE RISE TO THIS. ALSO YOU HAVE A TENDENCY NOT TO TRUST YOUR OWN VERIFICATIONS. YOU HAVE VERIFIED YOUR OWN STATUS AND ARE
STILL UNWILLING TO ADMIT THIS. THIS IS WRONG WORK. DON'T ACCEPT THE WORDS OR EVALUATIONS OF THE OTHERS UNTIL YOU HAVE VERIFIED THEIR STATUS [as your true teacher, or as an adept]. THIS ABILITY IS WITHIN YOUR GRASP. YOU KNOW
INSTINCTIVELY WHO TO SEEK, AND HAVE SO FAR SOUGHT WITH DISCRIMINATION ON AN INSTINCTUAL LEVEL. NOW YOU CAN MOVE INTO DOING IT ON A HIGHER LEVEL. THE KNOWLEDGE IS THERE.

The question was lost because the tape ended, but it had something to do with being able to tell the difference in soul levels.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE: FINER. IT MUST BE VERIFIED; BUT "PERCEPTION" IS THE CONCEPT THAT SEPARATES THE [soul age] CYCLES.

Is SW an Old soul?

NO, NOT AN OLDER SOUL.



 

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