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Present: SC and RC, RH and AH.
COME JOIN US TONIGHT.
RC: Who are you?
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
RC: And who are you?
WE ARE CALLED BY YOU, MICHAEL. WHY THE CONCERN?
RC: I guess because the greeting was different.
RC: That's true. We wouldn't want to spend the
time talking to "Christmas
THIS ENTITY WAS GUILTY OF THAT TYPE OF HUMOR AT
ONE TIME TOO.
RC: July of this year, by any chance?
RH: I have a complaint and comment and a
question. I don't seem to be able
to change knowledge into "being" [a Gurdjieff
term for spiritual growth],
and I don't feel any different.
YOU DO APPROACH "BEING" UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF
MARIJUANA. THIS IS AN
INCONTROVERTIBLE MESSAGE ABOUT THE PACE OF YOUR
LIFE. MARIJUANA SLOWS THE
RESPONSES TO PHYSICAL PHENOMENA AND HEIGHTENS
EMOTIONAL RESPONSE TO ALL
EXPERIENCES. YOU FEEL THE MUSIC INSTEAD OF
HEARING IT. THE FIVE PRIMITIVE
SENSES BELONG TO FALSE PERSONALITY. THEY CAN BE
COMPARED TO MARGARINE — THEY
WILL NEVER BE BUTTER, NO MATTER HOW YOU COLOR
THEM OR PACKAGE THEM. YOUR
LIFE IS NOT GEARED FOR UNDERSTANDING, JUST
TOILING. WE KNOW THAT THIS IS
DIFFICULT FOR R.C. AND R.H. HOWEVER, JESUS WAS
TRYING TO TELL THIS SAME
TRUTH TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO. WE KEEP TELLING
YOU [that] YOU MUST CHOOSE
YOUR PATH. IF THAT [chosen path] IS SPIRITUAL
LIBERATION, THEN YOU MUST
ELIMINATE THE DISTRACTIONS OF MAYA. IF THE GOAL
IS DIFFERENT, THEN THE PATH
WILL BE DIFFERENT, AND YOU ARE CORRECT IN
ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T CARE [which
path you choose]. WE IMPART THE LOGOS
DISPASSIONATELY. IT IS YOURS TO ACCEPT
RC to SC: Do you want to go back to work so you
can liberate my spirit?
RH: Michael told us not to change jobs at this
time, it was too traumatic.
AH: Previously Michael said that we would all
reach the same goal, so why
not do it now?
RH: RB said the same thing. I've been listening
to this kind of stuff for 4
years, and there isn't any change. Maybe there
has been a tiny change, I
SC: You mean in you?
SC: There's been a big change in you since I
first met you. Heavens!
RH: Maybe externally.
RC: You may be too close to notice the change
day to day. Someone who sees
you once a week, like me, notices.
SC: You were fairly unapproachable when I first
met you — emotionally. You
weren't rude or anything; you were always
polite. Most of my relations at
that time were non-person to non-person. There
wasn't anything coming from
RH: Guess I'm saying there has to be large
internal changes in order to make
a change in jobs, before I can trust cosmic
influences. Soleal said you have
to use your own resources. Michael is saying,
"Don't toil so much". That's
what I'm complaining about. They say not to work
WE HOLD UP SOLEAL AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS CAN
BE DONE BY SOMEONE LIVING
VERY MUCH IN THE WORLD. HE IS NOT AN ASCETIC BY
ANY STRETCH OF THE
IMAGINATION. HE SIMPLY HAS LEARNED TO DISSOCIATE
HIMSELF FROM THE MUNDANE
AND CONCENTRATE ON THE ARCANE. THE DECISION TO
PURSUE SPIRITUAL LIBERATION
IS AN AGONIZING ONE FOR EVERYONE WHO MAKES IT,
WITHOUT EXCEPTION. NO ADEPT
HAS FOUND IT EASY. IF WE HAVE LED YOU TO THINK
THAT BEING AN OLD SOUL MEANS
BEING ON THE GRAVY TRAIN, THAT IS YOUR
MISINTERPRETATION. IT IS PROBABLY THE
MOST DIFFICULT [cycle] OF ALL. THE ONLY THING
THAT MAKES IT BETTER IS YOUR
OWN READINESS TO STAND APART FROM THE MAINSTREAM
AND BEGIN TO VERIFY. THIS,
OF COURSE, MAKES YOU EVEN ODDER THAN EVER.
RH: We're likely to feel alienated from society.
Perhaps the Young souls who
are with it do not feel the alienation.
SC: I'm sure the Roman form of government looked
really good to those
people. It is not too different then than now,
except for the slaves.
AH: We have slaves now: [our husbands] RC and
SC: The question is, do you really want to
pursue the spiritual path, and if
so, you wouldn't care.
RH: So many people in YS's [Gurdjieff] group are
on welfare. They do not
seem to be doing any better than anyone else on
the spiritual path.
SC: There are things (vocations) you could do to
support yourself that would
be in your Essence. This wouldn't be toiling.
RC: Does Soleal do it by setting aside a time
every day or is it a continual
RC: Work on spiritual growth.
HE WORKS ON IT ALL THE TIME.
RC: Is he separated from his false personality?
WE DID NOT SAY THAT. HE WORKS ON IT.
RC: I don't see how he can work on it all the
RH: As long as you're in false personality, you
aren't going anywhere
RC: I see as long as I'm in false personality,
I'm blocking and wasting much
energy and I suppose the best thing to do would
be to separate from false
personality as much as possible.
SOLEAL HAS A TENDENCY NOT TO TRUST HIS DECISIONS
UNTIL HE HAS FANTASIZED
OVER THE ALTERNATIVES, NONE OF WHICH ARE
RELEVANT AND COME FROM VESTIGIAL
RH: I was out to dinner with old friends the
other night and I did not enjoy
it so much, as I thought they were not on the
spiritual path and I may be
wasting my time; then I think if I'd gone
stoned, I would have enjoyed it.
It's like my personality jams the personal
relationships and shuts enjoyment
out. I know I'm not on the right path when I
feel my life should be over,
RC: I feel I got information in another session
that you can do the same
thing within yourself as you can under
RH: I've been working on this for years and
there seems just no way to get
rid of personality. I think when I'm stoned I'll
be able to do it but as
soon as I become unstoned, I can't. What
Gurdjieff says is, it's a
step-by-step process in which a work "I" becomes
dominant over the other
"I's" in personality, and is always working on
this problem. Later, you
develop "deputy steward," and finally the
"steward" that keeps personality
in line — on the straight and narrow. My work
has been such that I cannot
verify this. Even if I'm organized, my
personality is still the same dusty
RC: I see it as a ruler, and you have progressed
one inch and you can't see
that you've even gone one one-thousandth of an
RH: As I measure and have the ashes of life and
see life as a bore, I know
I'm not on the path. Progress would be more
joyous and pleasurable, and
there would be a love to toil. I see also that
to sit around stoned all day
is not the way either.
S.C. AND R.H. WERE AT ONE TIME IN THIS LIFE
EMOTIONALLY BARREN. NEITHER IS
TODAY. THAT IS PROGRESS.
RH: I'm still barren emotionally.
RC: I feel good, but I do not feel progress, and
am jealous of SC because
she has more time to read than I do.
RH: There's a thing that causes transformation
and I'd like to know if love
is the thing that causes the transformation. In
the past, it was always
aroused by someone else.
LOVE OF SELF.
RH: Doesn't sound right.
EROS IS A PRODUCT OF FALSE PERSONALITY AND IS
BASED ON THE SIGNS AND SYMBOLS
OF THE PHYSICAL PLANE. THERE IS NOTHING
SPIRITUAL ABOUT THIS AT ALL. IT IS
BASED ON PHYSICAL ATTRACTIVENESS AND DEPENDS
UPON STABILITY TO PERPETUATE
RH: That still doesn't answer my question.
Simply in the past, love always
was directed toward someone; now what do we do,
direct it towards God or
AH: They said direct it to yourself.
RH: You can't do that — not a burning love
A DEEP SENSE OF SPIRITUAL SATISFACTION IS THE
ONLY REWARD THAT WE KNOW OF.
YOU MAY CALL IT ECSTASY OR WHATEVER YOU WISH.
STOP A MOMENT AND ASK YOURSELF
WHY IT IS THAT YOU SEARCH, AND FOR WHAT.
RH: Tomas lectured to us so much on not being
selfish, that that was
incorrect to be selfish.
THAT DEPENDS ON YOUR PERCEPTION OF SELF. IF YOU
PERCEIVE YOURSELVES AS PART
OF THE LARGER WHOLE, THEN LOVING SELF BECOMES
RH: It's a substitute search for me.
LOVING THE CREATIVE FORCE ITSELF REQUIRES
SEPARATION FROM ANY
SC: What do you mean, "substitute search"?
RH: I found in this past thing this high state
of love — every moment was
overflowing. Day and night I was "turned on" —
and that's the only way I
know how to describe it — and now I'm too old
and it's too late for this
kind of search. So I take this substitute
search. I've known all along it's
a substitute search, and that the path is more
difficult, and I plod along,
and maybe it will result in feeling good in that
THE SOUL EXPERIENCES ALL EMOTIONS AT A DIFFERENT
LEVEL THAN DOES THE MORE
TEMPORAL ORGANISM. THE VISCERAL PLEASURES ARE
TEMPORARY. WE DO NOT SUGGEST
THAT YOU ESCHEW THEM, JUST DO NOT EXPECT THEM TO
SUSTAIN THE ESSENCE.
RH: They are mistaken. They are taking it for
visceral. What I'm saying is I
experienced things on a high, spiritual level,
and I'll never get back to
THAT IS REALLY INACCURATE. YES, THAT WAS A HIGH
EXPRESSION, BUT YOU CAN
RH: There's this problem not being able to go
around stoned all the time. A
person might be able to meet someone. Unless I
was stoned, I'd get no
signals. My personality is turned off to that.
RC: Is it possible to be high without the use of
YOU TELL US, R.C., IS IT?
RC: With meditation, I am close.
THEN PERHAPS, FOR YOU, IT WILL BE POSSIBLE. IT
DOES NOT MATTER HOW THE
LIBERATION COMES ABOUT. IF IT REQUIRES MARIJUANA
FOR A WHILE, THEN SO BE IT.
RH: Even under the circumstances of a love
relationship, false personality
is waiting to gobble.
RC: I guess it gobbled me, too.
RH: False personality is always on guard. As far
as personality goes, it is
not going to be duplicated. It's amazing how
false personality will avoid
painful or even good situations. You make
excuses and justify
intellectually, even manufacturing illnesses to
avoid doing something.
AH: Look at the Jehovah's Witnesses who come to
the door. They certainly
have a certain amount of love and enthusiasm for
THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRANSFERENCE OF
EROTICISM IN THE "LOVE OF
JESUS". IN THAT SITUATION YOU ARE MERELY
SUBSTITUTING THE NONEXISTENT LOVER
WITH THE PERSONIFICATION OF THE INFINITE SOUL.
RH: When love is turned on, this in itself puts
you on a high. Maybe that's
"man number four" [balanced man] according to
Gurdjieff, and it is not
THE LOVE OF THE LOGOS OR AGAPE PERMEATED THE
BEING OF JESUS EVEN PRIOR TO
THE MANIFESTATION. HE LIVED FOR THE WORD. THE
QUEST FOR SPIRITUAL LIBERATION
TOOK PRECEDENCE OVER ALL THINGS, SOMETIMES TO
HIS DESPAIR PRIOR TO
MANIFESTATION. THIS WAS AN EMOTIONALLY CENTERED
MERCURY-SATURN. HE WAS
PASSIONATE AND SENSUAL. WHEN OTHERS REJECTED HIS
OPINIONS, HE WAS
I had the feeling that _____ said that everybody
good was Saturn. I had it
beaten into me, and I guess it is so. They are
strong, smart, big, with
strong teeth. When I learned the Bodytype
information, it really put me
down. It's not a good feeling to be told you
have a feminine body when
you're a man. Venusians are weak and
non-existent. There's nothing good
The same goes for the Lunar type — not much can
you say about them that is
good: timid, obstinate, feminine, ad nauseum.
I felt in _____'s group that only men in the
active Bodytypes could
contribute anything to the group except for
money. You could not even be his
friend unless you were an active Bodytype. The
Bodytype stuff is the
Bodytype stuff — I verified it as true.
THE BODYTYPES REFER TO CHARACTERISTICS THAT
BELONG TO FALSE PERSONALITY. IT
IS IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS SAYING, "I AM A
TYPICAL LEO OR TAURUS". IF YOU
BELIEVE YOURSELF TO BE A VICTIM OF YOUR
BODYTYPE, YOU ARE. IN FACT, YOU ARE
VIRTUALLY IMPRISONED BY IT. ANYTHING THAT IS
TIED TO THE TEMPORAL PHYSICAL
PLANE DEALS WITH FALSE PERSONALITY. THAT WHICH
EXISTS SPIRITUALLY AND
INDEPENDENT OF THE PHYSICAL IS OF THE ESSENCE.
My false personality latched on to the
information as to "why I'm not good".
Venusians are not generally successful.
NO, NOT IF THEY ALLOW THIS VERY STRONG
SELF-DEPRECATION FACTOR TO RULE THE
If given the information and you go around
carrying a green lantern and you
say, "Look, I'm green".
SC: It's like saying, "I always knew I was no
good; now look, I have proof".
RH: I have not been chosen for a significant
role in life because of the
type of my body. It is no good.
THE ROLE YOU HAVE CHOSEN IS NOT ONE OF DOMINANCE
BY PHYSICAL PROWESS; NOR IS
IT ONE OF FAILURE. THE ROLE YOU PLAY NOW IS NOT
IN ESSENCE, MORE BECAUSE OF
THE WAY YOU PLAY IT THAN THE SUBSTANCE OF THE
ROLE. BEING A HEALER IS IN
ESSENCE FOR YOU, BUT YOU HAVE LITTLE OPPORTUNITY
TO DISPLAY THIS — SAME AS
R.C. HE HAS NO SUITABLE OUTLET FOR THE
CREATIVITY THAT IS IN ESSENCE; [They
were both later said to be Artisans.] THEREFORE
[he] IS FRUSTRATED MOST OF
That's the price you pay. We could live the same
if we pooled our resources.
It depends on how frugal you are. RC has no
mortgage but SC does. (We asked
her why she didn't sell her house and get rid of
some excess baggage,
especially when she has complained more than
once on the taking of a tax
loss of a grand a year due to her feeling sorry
for the renters, who are on
S.C. COULD NOT TELL T. TO MOVE EVEN WHEN IT
MEANT THAT S.C. WAS NO LONGER
COMFORTABLE IN HER OWN HOME. THE SENSE OF
OBLIGATION STEMS FROM KARMIC
RIBBONS, YES, BUT NOW THAT YOU KNOW THIS, WE
SUGGEST TO YOU THAT YOU ATTEMPT
TO BURN THEM.
would like any information on the soul levels of
my family. I have a feeling
that the children were older souled than my
parents, especially my father.
He expected so much from all of us.
MOST OF YOU WERE RAISED BY SOULS YOUNGER THAN
YOURSELVES. R.H.'S MOTHER,
M.A.H., WAS THE ONLY OLDER SOUL. A.H.'S FATHER
AND R.C.'S MOTHER ARE BABY
SOULS. A.H'S MOTHER AND R.C.'S FATHER WERE
MATURE SOULS. S.C.'S FATHER IS A
MATURE SOUL. HER MOTHER WAS A YOUNG SOUL. WE
HAVE DISCUSSED C. AND H.
BEFORE. (The name "H" was not believed to be
mentioned in SC's or RC's
presence before. RH had referred to him as "my
E seems to be a Baby soul, R an Old soul, R a
Mature or Young soul (these
being AH's siblings).
R. AND A.H. WERE FIRST BORN AT THE SAME TIME,
THOUGH NOT A PART OF THE SAME
ENTITY. E. IS A BABY SOUL. R. IS A THIRD LEVEL
RC: Could we have a clarification of Fragments
THE HIGHER PLANES EACH HAVE SEVEN LEVELS OF
EVOLUTION, NOT JUST THE
PHYSICAL. THE CONTINUOUS CREATIVE FORCE THAT IS
UNIVERSAL CASTS OUT ENTITIES
INTO PHYSICAL LIFETIMES. THESE ENTITIES FRAGMENT
AND BECOME MANY DIFFERENT
PERSONALITIES. THEIR INTEGRATION IS THE
EVOLUTIONARY PATTERN FOR ALL SOULS.
YOU DO NOT FEEL THE DESIRE TO SEEK THE REMAINING
FRAGMENTS OF YOUR ENTITY
UNTIL THE LAST PHYSICAL CYCLE. THEN AT THAT TIME
THERE IS ALMOST A
COMPULSION. YOU DO NOT ALWAYS KNOW WHY, BUT YOU
ALWAYS DO SEEK. KURT
VONNEGUT [an author] IS AN OLD SOUL WHO KNOWS
THIS DIMLY, BUT DOES NOT KNOW
THE REASON. [He] DOES KNOW THE THIRST AND HE HAS
COME CLOSE, VERY CLOSE IN
HIS WRITING. HE FEELS THE COMPULSION BUT DOES
NOT UNDERSTAND THE REASONS FOR
IT. HE HAS COME CLOSE SEVERAL TIMES IN HIS
FICTIONAL WORKS. THIS CONCEPT
DOES NOT HAVE TO BE EXPRESSED IN THEOLOGICAL
TERMINOLOGY IN ORDER TO BE
VALID. MANY WHO SEEK AND FIND ARE ATHEISTS. THAT
IS ALL RIGHT. THE TAO DOES
NOT REQUIRE BELIEF IN ORDER TO CONTINUE.
Are there cycles of souls mentioned in the
SC: Not to my knowledge.
RH: It seems that the unification of Fragments
goes on inter [between
physical] life[times]. You can't do it here, can
YOU CAN, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT. IT REQUIRES
PSYCHIC UNION, AND THAT BY
DEFINITION REQUIRES THAT YOU BE AN ADEPT. THAT
IS ALWAYS [sexually] POLAR.
IT IS USUALLY DONE BETWEEN LIVES.
RH: You could not possibly experience all there
is to experience in forty
nine lives. Do Fragments experience between
RC: Can we assume then when the Entity is
reintegrated, it has experienced
everything there is on the physical plane?
IT HAS EXPERIENCED ALL OF LIFE, YES. EACH
FRAGMENT DOES NOT NEED ALL
EXPERIENCES, BUT MOST FRAGMENTS CHOOSE TO
EXPERIENCE ALL OF LIFE.
SC: Can we live over and over the same type of
vocation in many cycles.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE PARTICULAR
VOCATION AS MUCH AS THE
LOCATION IN ORDER TO EXPERIENCE ALL OF LIFE. FOR
INSTANCE, BEING A PHYSICIAN
ON MAINLAND CHINA DOES IN NO WAY RESEMBLE BEING
IN PRACTICE IN VALLEJO,
CALIFORNIA. R.H. WOULD BE ABLE TO RELATE TO THE
PRACTICE OF MEDICINE IN
ANCIENT EGYPT MORE EASILY THAN THE RICE PADDIES
RH: Are towns segregated by age of souls?
BABY SOULS TEND TO CONGREGATE IN MID AMERICA
TOWNS. THIS TO THEM REPRESENTS
THE "GOOD LIFE". YOUNG SOULS LIKE THE URBAN LIFE
OR THE COUNTRY. THE MATURE
SOULS SEEK TRANQUILLITY, AND IF THIS MEANS
ISOLATION, THEN SO BE IT. OLD
SOULS LIVE ALL OVER.
RH: In my practice, I see so few people that I
can relate to. They are happy
to see me, I guess, but there is not much
rapport. Their Centers are
different. They're happy to come there, but
there seems to be an overlay of
IQ as well as income.
VALLEJO IS A MOVING-CENTERED COMMUNITY POPULATED
HEAVILY BY BABY SOULS.
THERE IS RACIAL UNREST AND MUCH STRIFE. THE
AVERAGE IQ THERE IS 90.
INTELLIGENCE MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT
CULTURES. SOME CULTURES
STRESS SURVIVAL. OTHERS STRESS SCHOLASTICS.
THEREBY HANGS THEIR CRITERIA FOR
RH: We take heredity as the main cause of
intelligence and some from
AH: How about brain deficiency? How does that
fit with karma?
GENETICALLY DETERMINED DEFICIENCIES DO EXIST.
THEY ARE NOT PARTICULARLY
DISTRIBUTED. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS A BAD
GENE, BUT THIS CULTURE HAS NEVER
STRESSED INTELLECTUAL PURSUITS AND NEVER WILL.
THERE ARE NO SUPERIOR
ORIENTAL GENES, BUT THIS CULTURE HAS ALWAYS
STRESSED KNOWLEDGE, AND A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THIS IS INCULCATED IN THE
CULTURE SO DEEPLY THAT IT HAS
BECOME HEREDITARY IN A VERY OBSCURE FASHION. IT
IS IMMEASURABLE, BUT
PERVASIVE. SOME OF YOU WERE BLACK IN PREVIOUS
LIVES, AND SOME BLACKS HAVE
BEEN WHITE. IN THEM THERE ARE RACIAL MEMORIES
THAT CAUSE THEM TO SEEK
OUTSIDE OF THEIR CULTURE.
Were all races created simultaneously? Is
evolution still going on?
NEW SPECIES ARE NO LONGER APPEARING ON YOUR
PLANET; ALTERATIONS CONTINUE.
THE RACES EVOLVED FROM A SINGLE RACE. THEY ARE
Where was the location of the origin of the
IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
RH: Who else is part of my Entity, and how many
more are involved?
THIS IS A LENGTHY SUBJECT BUT WE WILL TRY TO
ENCAPSULATE. WE HAVE TOLD YOU
THAT YOU ARE REUNITING AND THAT IS TRUE, BUT YOU
ARE NOT NECESSARILY PART OF
THE SAME ENTITY. R.C., S.T., AND D. ARE
FRAGMENTS OF THE SAME ANCIENT
ENTITY; R.H., P.J. AND E.T. ARE; S.C. AND A.H.
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