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 Oct 29, 1974



There was a discussion about the long weekend planned for November 9 and 10.

_____ related an experience with _____ that happened on October 26, at the Halloween party. A power foreign to him tried to overwhelm him while he was reading her palm. He pushed out this foreign entity, forced it away from _____ and called back _____. The entity seemed as if it didn’t care for _____’s body. _____ had a lack of fear. There was a discussion about this experience, with _____’s impressions added, along with others who were present when this happened. _____ had fear when he began reading her palm, and then it faded out. _____ felt he had drained energy from everyone there, to force out the entity. _____ felt he had tried to teach her before in Rome, as Peter, and she wouldn’t listen. _____ expressed the point that _____ was very weird going home. Would like Michael’s comment.

THE LADY _____ AND THE MAN _____ HAVE, OF COURSE, ALL OF THE NECESSARY PREREQUISITES FOR BECOMING EXCELLENT TRANCE MEDIUMS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY ALSO HAVE WITHIN THEIR GRASP TELEPATHY. THIS DOES CAUSE A TREMENDOUS SHOCK WAVE THE FIRST TIME IT OCCURS. YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT: WE CANNOT COME INTO YOUR SPACE UNLESS YOU ALLOW IT — YOU MUST BE WILLING — BUT THE PERSONALITY DOES NOT ALWAYS GIVE THE SAME PERMISSION THAT THE ESSENCE DOES. THIS CAN CAUSE THE MOST ASTOUNDING REACTIONS. HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT WE WISH TO REITERATE A PREVIOUSLY STRESSED POINT. THERE ARE NO “EVIL” SPIRITS IN THE UNIVERSE WITH SUFFICIENT POWER TO AFFECT MANIFESTATION. THERE ARE SOME VERY SUPERFICIAL SPIRITS INHABITING THE LOW AND MID ASTRAL PLANES, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS ABILITY. THE ENERGY FORCE OF THE UNIVERSE IS NEUTRAL, AND SIMPLY FLOWS. PSYCHIC ENERGY IN THE HANDS OF SUCH AS THE MAN _____ IS A VERY POSITIVE SOURCE. HE IS RIGHT. HE CAN DRAW AT WILL, BUT DOES NOT DO THIS INDISCRIMINATELY. HE USES THE DISCRETION THAT WE WOULD WISH. WE WOULD SEE BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE DEVELOP THESE TALENTS — OR TRULY “SENSES” — TO THEIR FULLEST EXTENT, EVEN TO ALLOWING US ACCESS. YOU SEE, IN YOUR CULTURE, POWER IS OFTEN READ AS AGGRESSION, OR WORSE YET, “EVIL”. YES, WE ARE STRONG — THIS IS NOT TO BE DENIED — BUT THIS IS BENEVOLENT STRENGTH AND CANNOT BE USED AGAINST YOU. NEGATIVE ENERGY MUST BE GENERATED SINGLY BY THE FALSE PERSONALITY, AND ONLY RARELY CAN IT BE COORDINATED AND USED IN A MATERIAL WAY FOR DESTRUCTIVE PURPOSES. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT IT IS SIMPLY EXPENDED IN THE MOMENT. THIS OF COURSE CAN RESULT IN AN ACT OF VIOLENCE, BUT USUALLY DOES NOT. THE LADY _____ IS STILL UNSURE THAT SHE DOES INDEED WISH THIS EXPERIENCE, BUT WE ARE PATIENT. PLEASE DO NOT DELUDE YOURSELVES THAT WE ARE PRESENT ONLY AT YOUR BUSINESS SESSIONS AND NOT YOUR SOCIAL EXCURSIONS. THIS WOULD ACCOMPLISH LITTLE AND EXPEND MUCH. NOW, THE MAN _____ REMEMBERED SOMETHING QUITE SIGNIFICANT WHEN HE SAW THE LADY AGAIN, FOR SHE WAS WEARING THE SAME GOWN SHE WORE WHEN HE FIRST SAW HER IN ATLANTIS.

_____ wanted advice on furthering his telepathic powers, moving toward trance mediumship.

_____, YOU MUST FIRST REMEMBER THAT THIS TELEPATHIC SENSE IS A TWO-WAY STREET, AT LEAST UNTIL YOU ARE QUITE STRONG AND CONFIDENT, SO PRACTICE WITH ONE WITH WHOM THE TRUST LEVEL IS VERY HIGH WILL PRODUCE THE BEST RESULTS. THOSE WHO ARE NOT WILLING, OR ARE HIDING, WILL GIVE SUPERFICIAL PERMISSION, BUT AT THE LAST MOMENT WILL DENY ACCESS TO ALL BUT THE MOST SUPERFICIAL STRATA. FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SENSE, MEDITATION OF SOME FORM IS IMPERATIVE. UNTIL YOU GO INTO THIS DEEP SPACE YOU CANNOT QUIET THE HEAD ENOUGH TO HEAR. THIS IS OF COURSE WHY WE STILL STRESS THIS WITH YOU ALL, BUT AS WE HAVE SAID BEFORE, WE ARE PATIENT. YOU CAN BEGIN WORKING WITH THOSE AROUND YOU, WITH WHOM YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED THE TRUST LEVEL. MEDITATING TOGETHER WOULD BE EFFECTIVE. YOU NEED NOT BE IN THE SAME ROOM.

There was a question about the new Carlos Casteneda / Don Juan book, concerning the two concepts, “Nagual” and “Tonal”: could we have the meanings of these, and clarification?

_____, YOU CAN USE AS ANALOGOUS TO “WARRIORS” THE BALANCED MAN, TO A MAN WITH DON JUAN’S FRAME OF REFERENCE. THIS IS A NATURAL TERM — ANOTHER PROBLEM OF SEMANTICS TO SCALE [surmount]. THIS MAN OF COURSE GREW UP WITH “THE LORD OF THE DAWN” LEGEND, AND THIS WAS THE FRAME OF REFERENCE NECESSARY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, AS ALL OF YOU HAVE GROWN WITHIN OTHER FRAMES OF REFERENCE. WE ARE NOT LEADING YOU TO ANY DISINTEGRATION, BUT THERE IS INDEED A DANGER OF THIS, IF YOU DO LET GO OF THE LIFE FORCE BEFORE LEARNING TO HARNESS THE MORE UNIVERSAL FORCE, BUT THESE ENERGIES ARE THOSE UTILIZED BY THE PERSONALITY AND THE ESSENCE. THEY ARE ALSO THE PHYSICAL EXPRESSION AND THE SPIRITUAL EXPRESSION RESPECTIVELY. THE REASON IT IS NOT CLEAR IS PERHAPS THAT WE HAVE NOT STRESSED THESE ANALOGIES ENOUGH. MANY OF YOU CAME WITH A BUILT-IN VOCABULARY [Gurdjieff’s], AND RATHER THAN INTRODUCE MORE WORDS, WE CHOOSE TO USE THESE. AS WE GO ON WE WILL HAVE TO ENLARGE UPON THESE.

THE SPIRITUAL EXPRESSION TO THE ESSENCE IS OF COURSE QUITE POWERFUL AND TAPS INTO THE UNIVERSAL FLOW. THE PHYSICAL EXPRESSION OF THE PERSONALITY, WHICH SUSTAINS THE BODY, IS IN COMPARISON QUITE WEAK, AND CAN BE OVERPOWERED AND THE BODY KILLED, IF ONE IS NOT CAREFUL. YES, IT CAN BE HARNESSED AND USED EFFECTIVELY. THE BEST CHECK POINT WE KNOW OF IS THE FACT THAT THE STUDENT NOT READY TO HARNESS THIS IS SELDOM WILLING TO USE THE TIME NECESSARY TO PRODUCE GOOD RESULT AT WILL. IT TAKES SOMEONE CLOSE TO BALANCE TO ACCEPT THE DISCIPLINE NECESSARY TO EFFECTIVELY USE THESE SENSES. WHEN WE TELL A STUDENT THAT HE IS CAPABLE, THAT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN THAT THAT STUDENT IS EITHER WILLING OR READY — JUST CAPABLE. THE MAN ______ HAS AT THE MOMENT AN EXCELLENT START, AND IF HE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THE DISCIPLINE, HE CAN DO THIS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. THOSE WHO TAP INTO THE SPIRITUAL EXPRESSION, LETTING GO OF THE PHYSICAL EXPRESSION WITHOUT THE CONDITIONING, OFTEN GO “MAD”, OR DIE.

What are the differences between the “intuitive” and “telepathic” senses?

ACTUALLY THERE IS AS MUCH DIFFERENCE IN THEM, AND OF A SIMILAR NATURE, AS BETWEEN SIGHT AND HEARING. THE TELEPATH HEARS AND THE INTUITIVE PERSON SEES, BUT IN A FAR MORE DEVELOPED SENSE.

Is the primary frequency for the group the third harmonic of 17 cycle spike wave?

YOU NEED TO TRY THIS, _____. THERE IS MUCH STATIC IN THIS GROUP, OWING TO THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AS STUDENTS. THIS WOULD WORK FOR THE GROUP ON THE MOST PART.

I have the same question as _____ regarding the development of my telepathy.

THE ANSWER IS THE SAME. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DEVELOP THIS SENSE. AS FOR THE TRANCE MEDIUMSHIP, WE ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR THIS.

Past life (from a friend) near the Rhine river?

THE MAN’S DEJA VU IS QUITE ACCURATE. BY THE WAY, IT USUALLY IS, BUT IS MOSTLY DISCOUNTED. HE LIVED IN THE RHINE RIVER VALLEY, IN A SMALL VILLAGE NEAR COLOGNE, YES, IN THE EARLY SEVENTEENTH CENTURY. HE WAS FEMALE THEN.

My mother is withdrawing, is disoriented, and wants to die. Is there anything I can do?

ALTHOUGH IT IS A SHOCK, IT IS NOT SURPRISING GIVEN THIS LADY’S OVERLEAVES, THAT THE DISINTEGRATION IS TAKING PLACE. SHE COULD BE HELPED BY THE PROPER THERAPY — GESTALT WOULD HELP. WE WOULD NOT ADVISE THAT YOU DO IT, ONLY THAT THE THERAPIST ALSO BE A MATURE THERAPIST.

I spent hours supporting a lady having spontaneous happenings. Is she a mid Level Mature Priest in Stagnation or Growth, Self-deprecation, and Passion? She had trouble separating from her husband. She recently had visions or past memories, like watching a movie. She is interested in coming to the teaching meetings. Does Michael have a comment?

THIS LADY IS A SIXTH LEVEL MATURE PRIEST, NOT IN STAGNATION BUT SUBMISSION; YES, WITH A CHIEF FEATURE OF SELF-DEPRECATION; ALSO IN THE PASSION MODE, IN THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF EMOTIONAL CENTER; WOULD MAKE A GOOD STUDENT, AS SHE NO LONGER WISHES TO SUBMIT, AND IS TIRED OF RUNNING HERSELF DOWN, AS SHE BEGINS TO SEE HER OWN WORTH. THE PROBLEM OF GIVING UP THE MARRIAGE OF COURSE STEMS FROM THE FACT THAT MECHANICAL MAN FINDS HIS SUFFERING VERY HARD TO GIVE UP, AND SELDOM DOES THIS WILLINGLY. IT ONLY COMES WITH THE STRUGGLE FOR BALANCE. THIS MARRIAGE DOES PROVIDE EXCELLENT SUFFERING, SINCE IT IS SO INCOMPATIBLE. IT IS SIMPLY THE FIRST TIME THAT SHE HAS ALLOWED HERSELF THIS EXPERIENCE. MANY TIMES THOSE IN SELF-DEPRECATION WILL NOT ADMIT TO THEMSELVES THAT THEY CAN HAVE A LEGITIMATE EXPERIENCE. THE SCREEN IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE, AND THE PROTECTION IS READY TO GO AT AN INSTANT’S NOTICE. THE MEMORIES ARE GOOD ONES, AND SHOULD NOT BE DISCOUNTED. SHE DOES NOT SEE THEM AS MEMORIES NOW, STILL BECAUSE OF HER OWN SELF DOUBTS, BUT CAN LEARN TO SEE THEM AS SUCH.

What does Michael mean by ”memories”?

WHEN WE REFER TO “MEMORY”, WE REFER TO THE TOTAL RECALL OF THE INSTANCE. WHAT YOU CALL MEMORY IS THE RECALLING OF A REACTION TO A HAPPENING. THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACCURATE, EVEN TO THE CORRECTNESS OF THE REACTION, AND MANY TIMES BECOMES EMBELLISHED. WITH AGE, MEMORIES, LIKE WINE, GET BETTER, AS TIME GOES ON.

I visited Pompeii as a child; I was full memory of the city as it was before the disaster.

YOU AND SEVERAL OTHERS HER PRESENT TRAVELED THROUGHOUT MAGNA GRECIA DURING THE SECOND CENTURY BEFORE THE COMMON ERA. YOU SAW IT THEN AS A PROSPEROUS CITY. OTHERS AMONG THOSE PRESENT REMEMBER IT AS IT WAS AT THE TIME OF THE MANIFESTATION [of the Infinite soul] THROUGH JESUS.

Can false personality from a previous life occupy the body in this life?

NO. THE PERSONALITY DIES WITH THE BODY. IT IS, YOU SEE, A COMPOSITE OF THE OVERLEAVES, AND NO COMBINATION IS EVER THE SAME, EVEN IF IT ONLY DIFFERS AS TO LEVEL OF SOUL.

Does Michael see any point to _____ and I working together, and any value of me being here?

THE PURPOSE SHOULD BE OBVIOUS: IT WOULD FURTHER YOUR OWN DEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO, IF THE OTHER STUDENT WAS WILLING, HIS OWN. THIS WOULD BE A VALUABLE EXPERIENCE FOR THE LADY _____, AS IT WOULD REQUIRE HER CONCENTRATION IN THE MOMENT TO PRODUCE ANY RESULTS, AND THIS WOULD AID HER IN MANY WAYS. OTHER STUDENTS WOULD BENEFIT IN THIS WAY ALSO. ALSO, _____, ANY ACTIVITY THAT BRINGS SERIOUS STUDENTS TOGETHER IN WORK IS BENEFICIAL, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL CLOSENESS.

There was a discussion about Soleal and Tomas. Should we, or could we, contact Soleal during the 72 hour weekend?

AT SOME TIME DURING THE SEVENTY ODD HOURS THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE, OR EARLY IN THE MORNING NOW, OR SOON, PERHAPS AT THE END OF THIS WEEK.

What would Michael suggest in work to further myself?

WE HAVE SUGGESTED THAT YOU MEDITATE. WE ALSO SUGGEST THAT FOR YOU CREATIVE SILENCE IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT FIND VALUABLE. THIS MUST BE DONE WITH ANOTHER STUDENT. OTHERWISE IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE; ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO TALK TO YOURSELF. YOU ARE MUCH MORE INCLINED TO DO THIS WHEN IN THE PRESENCE OF OTHERS. YOU HAVE A NOISY HEAD, AND MUST WORK TO QUIET IT DOWN. THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL WITH YOUR OVERLEAVES, BUT AS A STUDENT YOU MUST CHOOSE TO OVERRIDE IT. ALSO, YOU CAN PRACTICE CONCENTRATION, AUGMENTED OR NOT. ALSO, FOR YOU, PERIODIC FASTING WOULD BE OF GREAT VALUE. SPIRITUAL FOOD IS WHAT YOU CRAVE, BUT THE PERSONALITY DEMANDS THE SUBSTITUTE. IF YOU CAN STAND NOT TO GRATIFY THE BODY’S DEMANDS, THE HOLD OF THE PERSONALITY WILL WEAKEN. THE MOVEMENT YOU ARE NOW DOING IS GOOD — DON’T STOP. IN FACT, YOU COULD INCREASE IT.

I am asking about sickness: assuming it is chosen, what do people get out of it?

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE CHOICE HERE IS QUITE UNCONSCIOUS IN MOST PERSONS, AND THERE IS USUALLY A FACTOR OF NEEDING TO MANIPULATE, EITHER THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, OR THE PERSONS AROUND THE FRAGMENT IN QUESTION, WITH NO OTHER OPTIONS OPEN. MOST MINOR ILLNESSES COME ABOUT WHEN THE BODY NEEDS REST. MORE SERIOUS ILLNESSES RESPOND TO MORE SERIOUS NEEDS. WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT IT IS ALL RIGHT TO TAKE ENOUGH REST, THEN MOST MINOR ILLNESSES WILL CEASE.

Is that all I need to do, rest?

YES.

_____ is having a bad time breathing now. Can he be helped?

THIS MAN COULD CHOOSE TO WORK THROUGH HIS SERIOUS ILLNESS, YES. THE AGREEMENT TO WORK WITH E. IS THE FIRST STEP. REALIZATION THAT THE DECISION IS HIS OWN TO MAKE IS THE SECOND. IT IS CONCEIVABLE HE COULD SURVIVE A GOOD MANY YEARS, IF HE WERE WILLING TO GIVE UP THE DEPENDING THAT THE ILLNESS AFFORDS HIM. ALSO, IT WILL REQUIRE A DISCIPLINE HE IS NOT WILLING TO OBSERVE. YOU SEE ALSO WHAT THE MAN T. SEES IN SOMEONE IS A GREAT DEAL POTENTIAL. THE MAN R. DOES HAVE THIS LONGEVITY TYPE POTENTIAL, GREATLY DIMINISHED BY OTHER OVERLEAVES, STRONGER THAN THE BODYTYPE, AND THE PARTICULAR COMBINATION OF PARENTAL GENE POOLS HE CHOSE.

What is his Bodytype?

YES, MOSTLY LUNAR WITH SOLAR MODIFICATION.

Concerning bookkeeping: would the job help me get in touch with Intellectual Center?

MOSTLY IT WOULD HELP YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH THE NEGATIVITY OF LIFE AND THROW YOU MORE INTO EMOTIONAL CENTER THAN EVER. YOU CAN IF YOU WISH.

Would Michael help my neighbor?

UNFORTUNATELY, THE LESSON HERE TO BE LEARNED IS FOR THE MAN AND IS NOT THE LADY. THIS KNOWLEDGE COMES HARD TO THOSE INVOLVED IN WHAT IS A TRUE PHYSICAL PLANE CRISIS — A NO-WAY-OUT SITUATION;. BUT THE MAN’S OWN AWARENESS WILL BE ENRICHED A THOUSANDFOLD THROUGH HIS EXPERIENCE. IT IS HE WHO NEEDS THE SHOCK. THE LADY HAS LED MANY EXALTED LIVES, AND CAN COME THROUGH THIS ONE WITH SOME EMPATHY. THE MAN _____ COULD TALK WITH HER, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE IF SHE WERE TO REQUEST IT. SHE WOULD AT A FAIRLY PROFOUND LEVEL UNDERSTAND THE REASONS FOR THIS SEQUENCE.

 

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