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October 2, 1973



02 October 1973
Walnut Creek
Present: RH and AH, PJ, RC and SC, ET, CS, HB, CH.
RH: I seem to have come on a realization that I've undergone crystallization
in personality and that is why everything is so fixed and seemingly
unchangeable. I'm under constant internal attack by personality, and that is
why I can't seem to listen to any new information and transform it into
anything worthwhile. I was hoping for a miracle that would change things.
Also, grass [marijuana] will do it, but it just does it temporarily. That's
why I can't seem to react to or feel any new possibilities.
THE FIXED RIGID PERSONALITY IS RATHER LIKE A MOUNTAIN OF GRANITE. CHIPPING
AWAY RELENTLESSLY IS THE SOLE SOLUTION. DEPRESSION IS THE EXTERNAL
MANIFESTATION OF THE INTERNAL STRUGGLE. DEPRESSION, BY THE WAY, IS ONE OF
THE ONLY NEUROTIC MANIFESTATIONS LEFT TO THE OLD SOUL. EVEN JESUS FELT IT.
EACH OF YOU SPENT MANY YEARS BUILDING THE FACADE. DO YOU REALLY FEEL THAT
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCARD THIS QUITE CASUALLY WITH HARDLY A WHIMPER? WE
THINK NOT. PROGRESS IS BEING MADE IN QUITE CONCRETE WAYS.
RH: Things like trips and new impressions don't help much, because the wolf
goes on vacation with me, and I can also see where, if I ask a
Transcendental Soul to take over my body, he would do quite well with it. In
fact, there is almost no end to what he would do with it. But that would
mean that I would go from here to the astral plane and I would hate to carry
all this garbage with me. Also, the reason I don't start anything new, is
that I know that the wolf will somehow stop it anyway, and also there is a
great deal of fear that helps keep me in prison, and I'm afraid to get out.
THE AMOUNT OF "GARBAGE" YOU HAVE DISCARDED DURING THIS LIFETIME HAS BEEN
SIGNIFICANT. THE PILGRIMAGE WOULD FORCE ALL OF YOU TO BE REAL. THERE WOULD
BE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR FALSE PERSONALITY TO TAKE OVER. WE DO NOT LIKE TO MAKE
SUGGESTIONS CONCERNING THE DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS. HOWEVER, WE SEE IN SEVERAL
OF YOU A REAL NEED TO DO THIS THING.
SC: The pilgrimage to where?
RH: Well, we were talking about a trip to Israel.
RC: When would be a good time to go?
THE TIME TO GO IS WHENEVER YOU DECIDE THAT YOU REALLY WISH TO GO.
RH: I've been chipping away at the granite mountain with my internal
dialogues, and it doesn't seem to get anywhere for me. Another thing is that
I realize that, in me, fear predominates over love, no matter how strong the
love is.
FEAR OF LOSS OF CONTROL BESETS ALL OF YOU. WITH YOU, R.H., IT IS LOSS OF
EMOTIONAL CONTROL. [Later it was said RH is in the Repression Mode.] WITH
R.C., IT IS FEAR OF BEING CONSIDERED INSANE. WITH MANY OF YOU IT IS FEAR OF
LOSS OF REASONING.
RH: I don't live in fear all the time, because everything I do is designed
to avoid situations where I might encounter it.
AH: What is your question?
RH: Just a comment.
IF THE PERSONALITY WAS NOT LIVING IN FEAR, IT WOULD NOT GO TO SUCH ELABORATE
MEANS TO AVOID THE PAIN-PRODUCING SITUATION.
PJ: We were talking about depression before. Freud explains that depression
is aggression turned inward, or that anger turned inward creates depression,
doesn't he?
AH: Like you are mad at yourself?
PJ: Like you are mad at anything and if you have no legitimate or acceptable
ways of showing it, if I recall Freud correctly, then you turn it inward
upon yourself as it were, and that creates a depressed state.
Experientially, does that seem correct to the people in this room?
RC: Yes.
SC: Uh huh. (Apparently others nodded.)
PJ: It does?
RH: It's a question of internal flagellation, and I think that it is False
Personality beating on Essence.
DEPRESSION IS NORMALLY THE PASSIVE PERSONALITY'S ONLY CHANNEL THROUGH WHICH
IT CAN EXPRESS HOSTILITY. THE ANGER CAN BE SELF-DIRECTED, BUT DOES NOT HAVE
TO BE.
AH: Do you mean that people who are aggressive don't get depressed?
PJ: Well, that would be the logical conclusion from all this, but I suspect
that people who show aggressiveness in ways that manifest to other people,
but who in fact also suffer this inability to direct their anger in its
proper places, and therefore turn it inward.
RC: Some aggressiveness may be caused by inner proddings, you know, "well
say something dammit!" You shove it onto someone else, yet you still retain
a certain amount inside.
AH to PJ: Are you ever depressed?
PJ: No, almost never.
AH: I see your Bodytype is supposed to be aggressive.
PJ: Yeah. In fact, I was thinking about that the other night. There have
been many incidents in my family. It is no accident that I am everybody's
favorite sibling, and since my Dad died, I've really understood the dynamics
of my family. I'm everybody's closest sibling, cause I've never tangled with
any of my siblings. Then this summer, partly through W's prodding, and
partly because I saw everything coming down in all sorts of ways, I sort of
laid it out a little bit, which is really not my style, and I began to see
that being aggressive was perhaps the better way. Now I may not be
everybody's closest buddy, but in some ways, what I have lost in affection,
I may have gained in respect. It was a very interesting experience to
observe all of these family dynamics.
SC: I never wanted to tangle with them, so I occupied the same position.
RH: Observation would readily show one that all active or aggressive
Bodytypes are not equally aggressive. This is probably because their
Essences are not equally aggressive. The mitigating factor of False
Personality is fear.
RC: Is the Essence, in fact, aggressive at all?
RH: Apparently it is, but each one is not equally aggressive to the others.
SC to ET: Ahura Mazda is the God of Zoroaster. I brought a book to show you.
So your friend is evidently into Zarathrustra, Zoroastrinism.
ET: No, I think he has his own special brand.
AH to RC: Are you ever depressed?
RC: I used to be. I made the mistake of allowing a lot of people to dump on
me, but I don't do that any more.
PJ: I don't either or lay a trip on me.
SC: I guess I've always been terribly openly aggressive, so I guess I'm a
dumper. I've spent most of my life dumping.
RC: I had a whole evening one time, on grass meditation, on mind-to-mind
communication that this is the way to communicate with people: You don't
apologize, you don't bother to explain everything. You just go back and
forth with direct statements. You don't get emotionally involved you are
dealing on a higher level.
SC: Well, the other person has to be communicating on that level also,
otherwise I can see it deteriorating really fast.
RH: I think that the way you eventually get there is by chipping away at it
the way we're doing. One of our big things, for three years, was to rid
ourselves of anger and hostility, either dumping it or accepting it, but
somehow just saying that you want to get rid of it doesn't get rid of it.
There was no method suggested there that seemed workable.
UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS ARE THE SOLE CAUSE OF ANGER. WE KNOW OF NONE OTHER.
WHEN YOU STOP EXPECTING, THERE WILL BE NO ANGER.
RH: There is a delicate line between that and going to sleep. Lots of things
in life depend on expectations.
YOU MUST COMMUNICATE YOUR NEEDS AND WANTS TO THOSE AROUND YOU. UNLESS YOU
ARE TELEPATHIC, YOU MUST DO IT VERBALLY. THEN YOU MUST LEAVE THEM WITH AN
OPTION. YOU MUST MAKE THAT OPTION KNOWN TO THEM. THE ALTERNATIVES, WITH ALL
OF THE RAMIFICATIONS, MUST BE UNDERSTOOD, AS WELL AS THE MOTIVATION OF THEIR
ACCEPTANCE OR REFUSAL. WHEN THERE IS COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING, THERE WILL BE
NO DISAGREEMENT. YOU HAVE ALL HEARD THIS BEFORE, AND WE MUST EMPHASIZE IT
BECAUSE IT IS THE SECRET TO EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION, WHICH WILL BANISH THE
SPECTER OF UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS.
Was that "affective" or "effective?"
EFFECTIVE, MEANING HAVING A POSITIVE EFFECT.
RH: Some of the internal depression and anger I experience seems to be the
result of expectations I have of myself.
REEXAMINE THOSE EXPECTATIONS FOR SHADES OF REALISM. ONE STEP AT A TIME IS
NORMALLY EFFECTIVE FOR USEFUL AMBULATION; WHY NOT FOR SPIRITUAL LIBERATION?
The question mark above was spelled out, INTERROGATION POINT. We asked
Michael if it would help to put punctuation on the board.
THAT WOULD SAVE MUCH TIME.
RH: It seems that it is the personality that is mad the personality is the
wolf, and it is trying to eat Essence and beat on it.
IT IS ONLY TRYING TO SURVIVE. SURVIVAL IS THE GOAL FOR THE ORGANISM; ECSTASY
IS THE GOAL OF THE ESSENCE. BEING BURNED AT THE STAKE WAS AN ECSTATIC
EXPERIENCE FOR THE SOUL OF JOAN D'ARC. LIBERATION WHETHER BY DEATH BY FIRE
OR WHATEVER METHOD IS THE GOAL. THE BODY SEEKS TO SURVIVE REGARDLESS.
SC: I'm reading The Great Lion of God, and it is bringing up all sorts of
hostile emotions. I am just getting very hostile.
ET: What are you getting hostile about?
SC: [Saint] Paul.
ET: You don't like him?
SC: No, and I never have, and I am reading about his fanaticism, and I just
can't wait to get back to it, so that I can pounce on him. Why do I have
this hostility?
S.C. IS ALMOST A ZEALOT WHEN IT CONCERNS HER DISLIKE OF FANATICISM. SHE IS,
SO TO SPEAK, FANATICALLY OPPOSED TO FANATICS.
RH asked if Michael was present during his examination of a difficult male
patient, who appeared to be a latent homosexual and a florid hypochondriac.
MOST BABY SOULS SOMATIZE. ANY PATIENT WHO FIXATES ON A PARTICULAR ORGAN
SYSTEM CAN USUALLY BE CATEGORIZED IMMEDIATELY. FOR INSTANCE, ALL ELDERLY
LADIES WITH BOWEL FIXATIONS ARE BABY SOULS.
RH: He was a Lunar. I couldn't read his cycle of souls. He wants to make a
regular appointment to come in and tell me about the veins on his hands,
etc. I want to avoid that, and I just drew a blank. I didn't know what to
do.
THIS MALE IS BOTH UNDER LUNAR INFLUENCE AND HAS UNREALIZED HOMOSEXUAL URGES.
BABY SOULS ARE ASHAMED OF THEIR SEXUALITY, WHETHER IT BE HOMO OR HETERO. HE
CANNOT ACT OUT THIS INCLINATION.
RH: Can you suggest any approach to this problem.
REASSURANCE IS THE ONLY ROUTE WE ARE AWARE OF, BUT PLEASE MAKE SURE THERE IS
FREEDOM FROM REAL DISEASE. BABY SOULS USE THE COURTS EXCESSIVELY WHEN THEIR
SENSE OF JUSTICE HAS BEEN OUTRAGEOUSLY INSULTED.
ET requested some help in handling a female patient who has had many
operations, and now may have a common duct stone. He wonders if she is a red
herring. Should he open her up or what?
IF YOU DO NOT, SOMEONE ELSE WILL. SHE IS ADDICTED TO POLYSURGERY AS A MEANS
OF VENTILATING HER ANGER.
ET discussed his feelings of responsibility in the matter, and his
unwillingness to exorcise her gastrointestinal demons in the absence of a
stone.
WHETHER OR NOT SHE HAS A STONE IS IMMATERIAL TO THIS DISCUSSION. HOWEVER,
SOME OF THESE UNFORTUNATE LADIES ARE STONE FORMERS PAR EXCELLANCE. IF SHE
HAS A STONE REMOVED FROM HER COMMON DUCT, SHE WILL FORM ONE ELSEWHERE. WE
KNOW OF MASSIVE CONCRETIONS CAUSED IN THIS MANNER.
ET asked Michael if he could tell him the lady's name, as he had forgotten
it.
WE ARE ABLE TO REVIEW WITH YOU ONLY WHAT YOU ARE RECALLING NOW. PERHAPS
LATER THIS EVENING YOUR MIND WILL SCAN YOUR DESK AND WE CAN PICK IT UP.
ET: Is there any way I can help her get to her emotions?
SHE IS QUITE INCAPABLE OF "GETTING TO" HER EMOTIONS.
RH: I just want to know if my previous observation about aggressive
Bodytypes was correct.
ESSENTIALLY [it was]. THIS CULTURE IS HYPOCRITICAL TOWARD AGGRESSION. THE
CULTURE PRETENDS TO DECRY AGGRESSION, YET TEACHES IT TO THE YOUNG. CONFUSION
RESULTS, AND MANY GROW UP BELIEVING THAT ALL AGGRESSIVE TENDENCIES ARE
SOMEHOW NOT NICE. OTHERS GROW UP IN AN ATMOSPHERE OF AGGRESSIVE ABANDON.
MOST ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THEIR OWN INTERNAL PASSIVE/AGGRESSIVE RATIO.
ET to RH: Now, will you repeat the question?
RH: I am just saying that there are a good many variations within each
Bodytype. They are just not all the same.
MOST DEVIATIONS ARE CULTURALLY INDUCED.
There was a discussion that was not well recorded concerning competition and
aggression. RC stated that he did not feel like participating in the
mediumship, as he was not really picking up on the vibrations. SC took the
board alone.
RH: Also, I don't feel that they completely explained that question of
expectations of others. They said that we would have to make our needs and
wants known to others verbally, but then you have to learn to expect them
not to be fulfilled sometimes.
SC: They say that you have to tell them what the alternatives are and give
them the option of not doing it.
RH: Then you can't really expect them to do it.
ET: No, RH, I think what they mean is that you can have a certain standard
for yourself, and then you must communicate that standard so that the other
person will know what you are thinking, and then they can do it or not do
it. But if they don't know, and the other guy thinks you expect him to do
something . . .
RH: Yes, but then there is this other thing. Soleal says that when you
finally realize that no one owes you anything, you have no expectations. But
making your wants known implies an expectation.
ET: So when you start making wants known, you are saying that you are less
than perfect.
RH: Then Buddhism is the not having of any wants.
AH: This is the game of life. I mean, you can go and sit on a mountain
somewhere many do, and they don't have any expectations but they are not
playing the game like we are.
RH: I think that all unhappiness results from greed, or wanting something.
Greed imprisons you in Maya.
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A WANT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE CHOSEN ONE MUST SUPPLY
IT. YOU MAY NEED TO GO TO SEVERAL SOURCES. EXPECTATIONS ARE FOOLHARDY. GREED
IS A LARGE PART OF MAYA.
At this point, at SC's request, CS took over the board.
SC: Michael seems to feel that I am aware of my life in Palestine about the
time of Christ, and I feel that I am blocking out this information because
they have been very vague about it, and that's not like Michael. But I do
have fragments, like fragments of conversations, and I would like to have
Michael elaborate on that a little through you, (to CS). Maybe I am blocking
out the information, and I hate to think that whatever it was, it is too
terrible for me to know.
What if you were Judas?
SC: Well, that would be a bad trip, but I've had many, many lives since
then, and it seems to me that I could have burned off even that Karma. I
guess there's a fear that I was probably a Roman soldier, because I have
more feelings for Rome, and there are a lot of fragments about the Pax
Romana.
ET: And for the past seven minutes, I notice that you have continued
talking.
SC: All right, OK.
AH: OK, Michael, let her have it!
WE HAVE NOT AVOIDED THIS INTENTIONALLY. YOU WERE ASSOCIATED WITH JUDAS AND
WERE PRESENT AT HIS END. YOU ATTEMPTED TO SAVE HIM.
SC: I attempted to save Judas? Why?
YOU DID NOT IDENTIFY WELL WITH HIS GUILT. THE ATTEMPT TO SAVE HIM (Judas)
WAS A VERBAL FAILURE. YOUR POWERS OF PERSUASION WERE NOT STRONG. YOU WERE A
MALE AT THAT TIME.
RH: I would like to know what cycle of souls WS is on?
HE IS A MIDDLE YOUNG SOUL.
SC: I am confused, because I am not aware of anybody trying to talk Judas
out of hanging himself.
RC: Why don't you ask if the incident is recorded anywhere so that you could
read it.
NO.
RH: I would like to ask about Paul, the Sufi I met at the Sufi fair, who
absolutely freaked me out by looking into my eyes. I would like to know what
was going on there.
THIS WAS A BLUFF ON HIS PART IN ORDER TO AVOID YOUR LEARNING HIS SOUL CYCLE.
HE DOES NOT HAVE TRUE POWER IN HIS EYES.
RH: What cycle was this?
THIS PAUL IS EARLY MATURE.
ET: I have a desire to ask a question, and I also don't want to dominate.
There are several people here tonight who haven't asked questions. I think
I'm going to put a block here on RH and myself for a few minutes,
voluntarily.
AH: My questions are real short, like AG and her soul level, and are there
any karmic ribbons there for me left.
SHE IS A SIXTH CYCLE MATURE. YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETELY ENDED YOUR RIBBONS.
THEY ARE COMPLETE FOR NOW, BUT WILL RECUR.
AH: Will they recur in this life, or in another life?
NO, LATER ON IN YOUR PRESENT FRAGMENT.
AH: Dare I ask how? I want to prepare myself. It has to do with music
somehow, and I want to prepare myself to complete the karmic ribbons.
ET: You want to pursue her musically?
AH: Well, just what the ribbons are.
IT IS NOT ONLY WITH MUSIC. YOU WILL BECOME CLOSER FRIENDS, AND YOU WILL DO
MUCH TO ASSIST HER GROWTH.
RH: I would like to know if RB is a Transcendental soul?
At this point, SC again took the board from CS. The recorder was not on and
a large segment of the following is unrecorded.
THE TRANSCENDENTAL SOUL DISPLACES AN OLDER SOUL WHEN IT MANIFESTS. THIS HAS
NOT HAPPENED TO THIS MAN YET.
RH: What is he now?
HE IS A FINAL LEVEL OLDER SOUL.
(Right there with DC, KH, and RH Jr.)
ET: I would like to know about reincarnation as presented by Gurdjeff; in
other words, "recurrence" [the idea that you live the same life over and
over again till you get it right]. He says that we were all cycled through
the same machine: In time we change bodies.
THIS MOST LIKELY REFERS TO ALTERNATIVE COURSES. TIME, OR ALL TIME, DOES
EXIST, THOUGH NOT IN YOUR FRAME OF REFERENCE. THE SENSATION OF TIME
"PASSING" IS VERY REAL ON YOUR PLANE. YOU BELIEVE THIS AT A DEEPER LEVEL,
BUT ARE CONFUSED, AS WAS GEORGES [Gurdjieff]. YOU MAY NEED TO DUPLICATE THE
TYPE OF LIFE THAT ABRAHAM LINCOLN LIVED, AND WHEN A PARALLEL TIME FRAME
EVOLVES, YOU WILL. THESE TIME FRAMES ARE TWO THOUSAND YEAR CYCLES FOR THE
MOST PART. THE AXIOM, "HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF", IS TRAGICALLY TRUE. YOU ARE
NOW ON A PARALLEL TIME FRAME WITH THE TIME OF THE REIGN OF CAESAR AUGUSTUS.
RC: Is there any significance then in the fact that Luke said, "Jesus was
the son of Jesus"?
NO SIGNIFICANCE OTHER THAN THIS WAS A POPULARLY USED NAME.
ET: I am confused.
IN ANOTHER FRAME OF REFERENCE, THE REIGN OF CAESAR AUGUSTUS IS JUST
BEGINNING.
Comment: I have the feeling that somehow Michael is outside of these frames
and sees them as we see a movie.
YES.
ET: Then I could be Caesar Augustus in another frame of reference?
THERE WOULD BE NO NEED NOW FOR YOU TO DO THAT. THIS WAS A YOUNG SOUL. YOU
CANNOT TRANSCEND THE TIME FRAMES IN THE PHYSICAL BODY, NOR CAN YOU
REINCARNATE IN ANOTHER PHYSICAL REALITY.
I never could understand anything but experiential time. I have interest
only, but no understanding.
ET informed the group that he had told Dr Chaudhary of our activities, and
that Dr Chaudhary was interested, and might be persuaded to attend a
meeting. We did discuss the possibility that this man's questions would be
probably more thought-provoking than ours, and we asked Michael what they
thought.
IT WOULD ADD ANOTHER DIMENSION.
ET: If time as we know it does not exist, is there an absolute?
RH: I have the feeling that space is just standing still and we're just
moving through it space and time
R.H. IS SAYING THE CORRECT WORDS WITHOUT COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING. THERE IS A
TIME AXIS ABOUT WHICH PARALLEL UNIVERSES OF PHYSICAL REALITY REVOLVE. THE
PLAY IS ETERNAL.
Is Soleal's world outside of our time frame?
SOLEAL'S WORLD IS VERY MUCH A PART OF YOUR PHYSICAL REALITY.
We discussed the fact that Soleal had told us before that he could visit
this planet physically in a space ship, and that we thought he had said that
the trip would take about three days.
WE FEEL THAT IT WOULD TAKE LONGER THAN THREE DAYS.
RC: Well, would it take twenty years?
NO.
SC: We asked him once before if he could come here, and he gave us a whole
big spiel about how could we guarantee the safety of whoever came. He said
that, yes, they would like to, but how could anyone insure the safety of his
people, if the person who came was psychologically unable to defend himself.
RH: Well, who insures our safety? Would it be any more difficult to insure
his safety than the safety of our own children?
SC: But he is responsible for the safety of his own people, that is what he
was saying, and if he does not come himself, how can he insure the safety of
who he sends, and apparently this is a big thing with them.
ET: Is there time on the astral plane?
NOT AS YOU KNOW IT.
SC: There have been all kinds of books written about the cultural shock of
being contacted by an alien civilization. Astronomers have spent hours and
hours writing these long-winded papers about this cultural shock.
RH: Well, if he was walking next to ET, no one would ever notice him,
because he's just a little taller than ET.
ET: Yes, but he has claws and scales.
RH: Yes, but I think that we could disguise him.
ET: I would just love to meet him.
RC: Why don't we ask for a comment about whether or not Soleal is willing to
come?
HE IS WILLING, BUT FRIGHTENED.
ET: Is there anything else that Michael can say that will help me to
understand time?
RH: I did read Sir James Jean's book on time, and I've never thought about
it since, but he projected this idea of movement through space. That's why
time exists ahead and behind, and you could look ahead or behind if you knew
how.
THERE IS A VORTEX ON EACH CELESTIAL BODY THROUGH WHICH THE TIME PLANES
TRANSECT. THIS CAN BE USED FOR INTERSTELLAR SPACE TRAVEL. HOWEVER, IT
REQUIRES AN ADEPT WHO CAN TELEPORT TO PROGRAM THE COMPUTER.
RH: I wonder where our vortex is here on the earth?
THE CLOSEST LOCATION TO YOU IS NEAR GRANT'S PASS, OREGON.
ET: He said the closest location, like there's more than one .
IT PASSES DIRECTLY THOUGH [the center of the planet].
RH: Would it be of any advantage for us to go and see if we could find the
thing? I mean is it a tiny thing?
CURIOSITY NOW. SATISFYING THE CURIOSITY NOW WOULD BE THE ONLY ADVANTAGE.
NONE OF YOU IS EQUIPPED TO TELEPORT.
RH: I wonder if you feel anything when you are in that location?
YES.
ET: He says that it requires an adept who can teleport to program the
computer. What computer?
THE COMPUTER IN THE SPACE SHIP. THESE SHIPS LITERALLY GO BACK IN TIME AND
FORWARD IN SPACE.
SC: We asked Soleal in an earlier session, because he said something about
the ship's computers, "Who programmed them", and he said "I do".
ET: Let me rephrase this. This would be a physical space ship that they
would use, and they would go to the region and they would have to program
their computers which would do something or the other to coincide with this
vortex.
RH: Then he would have to land somewhere up around there.
THE COMPUTERS ARE EQUIPPED TO SEARCH FOR THE PROPER TIME PLANE, BOTH ON
DEPARTURE AND ON ARRIVAL, SO THAT THE SAME TIME FRAME APPLIES. OTHERWISE,
THERE WOULD BE INSTANTANEOUS DESTRUCTION.
ET: The one thing that I'm not sure about is this teleportation.
IF HE WERE TO TELEPORT TO THIS WORLD, HE WOULD USE THE VORTICES EXCLUSIVELY.
THE PHYSICAL BODY CANNOT WITHSTAND THE CONDITIONS IN SPACE. IT IS MUCH
EASIER TO USE THE SHIPS.
RH: It would be easy enough to pick up somebody at Grant's Pass. You give
them a wig, glasses and a false beard. There are no borders to cross or
anything like that. You just drive him down here.
ET: The obvious question here is, that in our civilization, are we going to
be able to use these vortices? Is it built into us to discover them and use
them in the future?
OH, YES. IT IS IN THE GRASP OF SEVERAL NOW.
RC: Did Einstein ever get close to this?
CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING, BUT MUCH FEAR. EINSTEIN WAS A MATURE SOUL.
RD: Are there any Old soul mathematicians around working on this?
RH: I wanted to ask about Arthur Rosenfeld. I felt that he was a Young soul,
a physicist and sharer of the Nobel Prize. He lived next door to us in
Berkeley.
YES, HE IS, BUT MURRAY IS AN OLD SOUL.
SC: Who is Murray?
RH: Murray Gell-Mann.
AH: That's interesting. Gell-Mann wouldn't have anything to do with anybody.
RH: Let's see; Alvarez might have been an Old soul also.
FIRST CYCLE OLD SOUL.
SC: Who is he?
RH: He was a Nobel Prize winner too invented a lot of things too: invented
radar. Then Owen Chamberlain was a Young soul, a Lunar, and a troubled soul?
FIRST CYCLE MATURE SOUL; TROUBLED.
ET: Who is he?
RH: He won the Nobel Prize for the bubble chamber.
SC: Oh no he didn't; Donald Glesser did. He is an arrogant young man I've
met him.
RH: Well then, what about Edward Teller: is he a Mature soul?
NO, THIS MAN IS A FINAL CYCLE YOUNG SOUL. HE HAS NO REAL SENSITIVITY.
The session was terminated by mutual consent at 11:30 P.M.

 

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