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Present: RH and AH, PJ, RC and SC, ET, CS, HB,
RH: I seem to have come on a realization that
I've undergone crystallization
in personality and that is why everything is so
fixed and seemingly
unchangeable. I'm under constant internal attack
by personality, and that is
why I can't seem to listen to any new
information and transform it into
anything worthwhile. I was hoping for a miracle
that would change things.
Also, grass [marijuana] will do it, but it just
does it temporarily. That's
why I can't seem to react to or feel any new
THE FIXED RIGID PERSONALITY IS RATHER LIKE A
MOUNTAIN OF GRANITE. CHIPPING
AWAY RELENTLESSLY IS THE SOLE SOLUTION.
DEPRESSION IS THE EXTERNAL
MANIFESTATION OF THE INTERNAL STRUGGLE.
DEPRESSION, BY THE WAY, IS ONE OF
THE ONLY NEUROTIC MANIFESTATIONS LEFT TO THE OLD
SOUL. EVEN JESUS FELT IT.
EACH OF YOU SPENT MANY YEARS BUILDING THE
FACADE. DO YOU REALLY FEEL THAT
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCARD THIS QUITE
CASUALLY WITH HARDLY A WHIMPER? WE
THINK NOT. PROGRESS IS BEING MADE IN QUITE
RH: Things like trips and new impressions don't
help much, because the wolf
goes on vacation with me, and I can also see
where, if I ask a
Transcendental Soul to take over my body, he
would do quite well with it. In
fact, there is almost no end to what he would do
with it. But that would
mean that I would go from here to the astral
plane and I would hate to carry
all this garbage with me. Also, the reason I
don't start anything new, is
that I know that the wolf will somehow stop it
anyway, and also there is a
great deal of fear that helps keep me in prison,
and I'm afraid to get out.
THE AMOUNT OF "GARBAGE" YOU HAVE DISCARDED
DURING THIS LIFETIME HAS BEEN
SIGNIFICANT. THE PILGRIMAGE WOULD FORCE ALL OF
YOU TO BE REAL. THERE WOULD
BE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR FALSE PERSONALITY TO TAKE
OVER. WE DO NOT LIKE TO MAKE
SUGGESTIONS CONCERNING THE DISBURSEMENT OF
FUNDS. HOWEVER, WE SEE IN SEVERAL
OF YOU A REAL NEED TO DO THIS THING.
SC: The pilgrimage to where?
RH: Well, we were talking about a trip to
RC: When would be a good time to go?
THE TIME TO GO IS WHENEVER YOU DECIDE THAT YOU
REALLY WISH TO GO.
RH: I've been chipping away at the granite
mountain with my internal
dialogues, and it doesn't seem to get anywhere
for me. Another thing is that
I realize that, in me, fear predominates over
love, no matter how strong the
FEAR OF LOSS OF CONTROL BESETS ALL OF YOU. WITH
YOU, R.H., IT IS LOSS OF
EMOTIONAL CONTROL. [Later it was said RH is in
the Repression Mode.] WITH
R.C., IT IS FEAR OF BEING CONSIDERED INSANE.
WITH MANY OF YOU IT IS FEAR OF
LOSS OF REASONING.
RH: I don't live in fear all the time, because
everything I do is designed
to avoid situations where I might encounter it.
AH: What is your question?
RH: Just a comment.
IF THE PERSONALITY WAS NOT LIVING IN FEAR, IT
WOULD NOT GO TO SUCH ELABORATE
MEANS TO AVOID THE PAIN-PRODUCING SITUATION.
PJ: We were talking about depression before.
Freud explains that depression
is aggression turned inward, or that anger
turned inward creates depression,
AH: Like you are mad at yourself?
PJ: Like you are mad at anything and if you have
no legitimate or acceptable
ways of showing it, if I recall Freud correctly,
then you turn it inward
upon yourself as it were, and that creates a
Experientially, does that seem correct to the
people in this room?
SC: Uh huh. (Apparently others nodded.)
PJ: It does?
RH: It's a question of internal flagellation,
and I think that it is False
Personality beating on Essence.
DEPRESSION IS NORMALLY THE PASSIVE PERSONALITY'S
ONLY CHANNEL THROUGH WHICH
IT CAN EXPRESS HOSTILITY. THE ANGER CAN BE
SELF-DIRECTED, BUT DOES NOT HAVE
AH: Do you mean that people who are aggressive
don't get depressed?
PJ: Well, that would be the logical conclusion
from all this, but I suspect
that people who show aggressiveness in ways that
manifest to other people,
but who in fact also suffer this inability to
direct their anger in its
proper places, and therefore turn it inward.
RC: Some aggressiveness may be caused by inner
proddings, you know, "well
say something dammit!" You shove it onto someone
else, yet you still retain
a certain amount inside.
AH to PJ: Are you ever depressed?
PJ: No, almost never.
AH: I see your Bodytype is supposed to be
PJ: Yeah. In fact, I was thinking about that the
other night. There have
been many incidents in my family. It is no
accident that I am everybody's
favorite sibling, and since my Dad died, I've
really understood the dynamics
of my family. I'm everybody's closest sibling,
cause I've never tangled with
any of my siblings. Then this summer, partly
through W's prodding, and
partly because I saw everything coming down in
all sorts of ways, I sort of
laid it out a little bit, which is really not my
style, and I began to see
that being aggressive was perhaps the better
way. Now I may not be
everybody's closest buddy, but in some ways,
what I have lost in affection,
I may have gained in respect. It was a very
interesting experience to
observe all of these family dynamics.
SC: I never wanted to tangle with them, so I
occupied the same position.
RH: Observation would readily show one that all
active or aggressive
Bodytypes are not equally aggressive. This is
probably because their
Essences are not equally aggressive. The
mitigating factor of False
Personality is fear.
RC: Is the Essence, in fact, aggressive at all?
RH: Apparently it is, but each one is not
equally aggressive to the others.
SC to ET: Ahura Mazda is the God of Zoroaster. I
brought a book to show you.
So your friend is evidently into Zarathrustra,
ET: No, I think he has his own special brand.
AH to RC: Are you ever depressed?
RC: I used to be. I made the mistake of allowing
a lot of people to dump on
me, but I don't do that any more.
PJ: I don't either — or lay a trip on me.
SC: I guess I've always been terribly openly
aggressive, so I guess I'm a
dumper. I've spent most of my life dumping.
RC: I had a whole evening one time, on grass
meditation, on mind-to-mind
communication — that this is the way to
communicate with people: You don't
apologize, you don't bother to explain
everything. You just go back and
forth with direct statements. You don't get
emotionally involved — you are
dealing on a higher level.
SC: Well, the other person has to be
communicating on that level also,
otherwise I can see it deteriorating really
RH: I think that the way you eventually get
there is by chipping away at it
the way we're doing. One of our big things, for
three years, was to rid
ourselves of anger and hostility, either dumping
it or accepting it, but
somehow just saying that you want to get rid of
it doesn't get rid of it.
There was no method suggested there that seemed
UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS ARE THE SOLE CAUSE OF
ANGER. WE KNOW OF NONE OTHER.
WHEN YOU STOP EXPECTING, THERE WILL BE NO ANGER.
RH: There is a delicate line between that and
going to sleep. Lots of things
in life depend on expectations.
YOU MUST COMMUNICATE YOUR NEEDS AND WANTS TO
THOSE AROUND YOU. UNLESS YOU
ARE TELEPATHIC, YOU MUST DO IT VERBALLY. THEN
YOU MUST LEAVE THEM WITH AN
OPTION. YOU MUST MAKE THAT OPTION KNOWN TO THEM.
THE ALTERNATIVES, WITH ALL
OF THE RAMIFICATIONS, MUST BE UNDERSTOOD, AS
WELL AS THE MOTIVATION OF THEIR
ACCEPTANCE OR REFUSAL. WHEN THERE IS COMPLETE
UNDERSTANDING, THERE WILL BE
NO DISAGREEMENT. YOU HAVE ALL HEARD THIS BEFORE,
AND WE MUST EMPHASIZE IT
BECAUSE IT IS THE SECRET TO EFFECTIVE
COMMUNICATION, WHICH WILL BANISH THE
SPECTER OF UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS.
Was that "affective" or "effective?"
EFFECTIVE, MEANING HAVING A POSITIVE EFFECT.
RH: Some of the internal depression and anger I
experience seems to be the
result of expectations I have of myself.
REEXAMINE THOSE EXPECTATIONS FOR SHADES OF
REALISM. ONE STEP AT A TIME IS
NORMALLY EFFECTIVE FOR USEFUL AMBULATION; WHY
NOT FOR SPIRITUAL LIBERATION?
The question mark above was spelled out,
INTERROGATION POINT. We asked
Michael if it would help to put punctuation on
THAT WOULD SAVE MUCH TIME.
RH: It seems that it is the personality that is
mad — the personality is the
wolf, and it is trying to eat Essence and beat
IT IS ONLY TRYING TO SURVIVE. SURVIVAL IS THE
GOAL FOR THE ORGANISM; ECSTASY
IS THE GOAL OF THE ESSENCE. BEING BURNED AT THE
STAKE WAS AN ECSTATIC
EXPERIENCE FOR THE SOUL OF JOAN D'ARC.
LIBERATION — WHETHER BY DEATH BY FIRE
OR WHATEVER METHOD — IS THE GOAL. THE BODY SEEKS
TO SURVIVE REGARDLESS.
SC: I'm reading The Great Lion of God, and it is
bringing up all sorts of
hostile emotions. I am just getting very
ET: What are you getting hostile about?
SC: [Saint] Paul.
ET: You don't like him?
SC: No, and I never have, and I am reading about
his fanaticism, and I just
can't wait to get back to it, so that I can
pounce on him. Why do I have
S.C. IS ALMOST A ZEALOT WHEN IT CONCERNS HER
DISLIKE OF FANATICISM. SHE IS,
SO TO SPEAK, FANATICALLY OPPOSED TO FANATICS.
RH asked if Michael was present during his
examination of a difficult male
patient, who appeared to be a latent homosexual
and a florid hypochondriac.
MOST BABY SOULS SOMATIZE. ANY PATIENT WHO
FIXATES ON A PARTICULAR ORGAN
SYSTEM CAN USUALLY BE CATEGORIZED IMMEDIATELY.
FOR INSTANCE, ALL ELDERLY
LADIES WITH BOWEL FIXATIONS ARE BABY SOULS.
RH: He was a Lunar. I couldn't read his cycle of
souls. He wants to make a
regular appointment to come in and tell me about
the veins on his hands,
etc. I want to avoid that, and I just drew a
blank. I didn't know what to
THIS MALE IS BOTH UNDER LUNAR INFLUENCE AND HAS
UNREALIZED HOMOSEXUAL URGES.
BABY SOULS ARE ASHAMED OF THEIR SEXUALITY,
WHETHER IT BE HOMO OR HETERO. HE
CANNOT ACT OUT THIS INCLINATION.
RH: Can you suggest any approach to this
REASSURANCE IS THE ONLY ROUTE WE ARE AWARE OF,
BUT PLEASE MAKE SURE THERE IS
FREEDOM FROM REAL DISEASE. BABY SOULS USE THE
COURTS EXCESSIVELY WHEN THEIR
SENSE OF JUSTICE HAS BEEN OUTRAGEOUSLY INSULTED.
ET requested some help in handling a female
patient who has had many
operations, and now may have a common duct
stone. He wonders if she is a red
herring. Should he open her up or what?
IF YOU DO NOT, SOMEONE ELSE WILL. SHE IS
ADDICTED TO POLYSURGERY AS A MEANS
OF VENTILATING HER ANGER.
ET discussed his feelings of responsibility in
the matter, and his
unwillingness to exorcise her gastrointestinal
demons in the absence of a
WHETHER OR NOT SHE HAS A STONE IS IMMATERIAL TO
THIS DISCUSSION. HOWEVER,
SOME OF THESE UNFORTUNATE LADIES ARE STONE
FORMERS PAR EXCELLANCE. IF SHE
HAS A STONE REMOVED FROM HER COMMON DUCT, SHE
WILL FORM ONE ELSEWHERE. WE
KNOW OF MASSIVE CONCRETIONS CAUSED IN THIS
ET asked Michael if he could tell him the lady's
name, as he had forgotten
WE ARE ABLE TO REVIEW WITH YOU ONLY WHAT YOU ARE
RECALLING NOW. PERHAPS
LATER THIS EVENING YOUR MIND WILL SCAN YOUR DESK
AND WE CAN PICK IT UP.
ET: Is there any way I can help her get to her
SHE IS QUITE INCAPABLE OF "GETTING TO" HER
RH: I just want to know if my previous
observation about aggressive
Bodytypes was correct.
ESSENTIALLY [it was]. THIS CULTURE IS
HYPOCRITICAL TOWARD AGGRESSION. THE
CULTURE PRETENDS TO DECRY AGGRESSION, YET
TEACHES IT TO THE YOUNG. CONFUSION
RESULTS, AND MANY GROW UP BELIEVING THAT ALL
AGGRESSIVE TENDENCIES ARE
SOMEHOW NOT NICE. OTHERS GROW UP IN AN
ATMOSPHERE OF AGGRESSIVE ABANDON.
MOST ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THEIR OWN INTERNAL
ET to RH: Now, will you repeat the question?
RH: I am just saying that there are a good many
variations within each
Bodytype. They are just not all the same.
MOST DEVIATIONS ARE CULTURALLY INDUCED.
There was a discussion that was not well
recorded concerning competition and
aggression. RC stated that he did not feel like
participating in the
mediumship, as he was not really picking up on
the vibrations. SC took the
RH: Also, I don't feel that they completely
explained that question of
expectations of others. They said that we would
have to make our needs and
wants known to others verbally, but then you
have to learn to expect them
not to be fulfilled sometimes.
SC: They say that you have to tell them what the
alternatives are and give
them the option of not doing it.
RH: Then you can't really expect them to do it.
ET: No, RH, I think what they mean is that you
can have a certain standard
for yourself, and then you must communicate that
standard so that the other
person will know what you are thinking, and then
they can do it or not do
it. But if they don't know, and the other guy
thinks you expect him to do
something . . .
RH: Yes, but then there is this other thing.
Soleal says that when you
finally realize that no one owes you anything,
you have no expectations. But
making your wants known implies an expectation.
ET: So when you start making wants known, you
are saying that you are less
RH: Then Buddhism is the not having of any
AH: This is the game of life. I mean, you can go
and sit on a mountain
somewhere — many do, and they don't have any
expectations — but they are not
playing the game like we are.
RH: I think that all unhappiness results from
greed, or wanting something.
Greed imprisons you in Maya.
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A WANT DOES NOT MEAN THAT
THE CHOSEN ONE MUST SUPPLY
IT. YOU MAY NEED TO GO TO SEVERAL SOURCES.
EXPECTATIONS ARE FOOLHARDY. GREED
IS A LARGE PART OF MAYA.
At this point, at SC's request, CS took over the
SC: Michael seems to feel that I am aware of my
life in Palestine about the
time of Christ, and I feel that I am blocking
out this information because
they have been very vague about it, and that's
not like Michael. But I do
have fragments, like fragments of conversations,
and I would like to have
Michael elaborate on that a little through you,
(to CS). Maybe I am blocking
out the information, and I hate to think that
whatever it was, it is too
terrible for me to know.
What if you were Judas?
SC: Well, that would be a bad trip, but I've had
many, many lives since
then, and it seems to me that I could have
burned off even that Karma. I
guess there's a fear that I was probably a Roman
soldier, because I have
more feelings for Rome, and there are a lot of
fragments about the Pax
ET: And for the past seven minutes, I notice
that you have continued
SC: All right, OK.
AH: OK, Michael, let her have it!
WE HAVE NOT AVOIDED THIS INTENTIONALLY. YOU WERE
ASSOCIATED WITH JUDAS AND
WERE PRESENT AT HIS END. YOU ATTEMPTED TO SAVE
SC: I attempted to save Judas? Why?
YOU DID NOT IDENTIFY WELL WITH HIS GUILT. THE
ATTEMPT TO SAVE HIM (Judas)
WAS A VERBAL FAILURE. YOUR POWERS OF PERSUASION
WERE NOT STRONG. YOU WERE A
MALE AT THAT TIME.
RH: I would like to know what cycle of souls WS
HE IS A MIDDLE YOUNG SOUL.
SC: I am confused, because I am not aware of
anybody trying to talk Judas
out of hanging himself.
RC: Why don't you ask if the incident is
recorded anywhere so that you could
RH: I would like to ask about Paul, the Sufi I
met at the Sufi fair, who
absolutely freaked me out by looking into my
eyes. I would like to know what
was going on there.
THIS WAS A BLUFF ON HIS PART IN ORDER TO AVOID
YOUR LEARNING HIS SOUL CYCLE.
HE DOES NOT HAVE TRUE POWER IN HIS EYES.
RH: What cycle was this?
THIS PAUL IS EARLY MATURE.
ET: I have a desire to ask a question, and I
also don't want to dominate.
There are several people here tonight who
haven't asked questions. I think
I'm going to put a block here on RH and myself
for a few minutes,
AH: My questions are real short, like AG and her
soul level, and are there
any karmic ribbons there for me left.
SHE IS A SIXTH CYCLE MATURE. YOU HAVE NOT
COMPLETELY ENDED YOUR RIBBONS.
THEY ARE COMPLETE FOR NOW, BUT WILL RECUR.
AH: Will they recur in this life, or in another
NO, LATER ON IN YOUR PRESENT FRAGMENT.
AH: Dare I ask how? I want to prepare myself. It
has to do with music
somehow, and I want to prepare myself to
complete the karmic ribbons.
ET: You want to pursue her musically?
AH: Well, just what the ribbons are.
IT IS NOT ONLY WITH MUSIC. YOU WILL BECOME
CLOSER FRIENDS, AND YOU WILL DO
MUCH TO ASSIST HER GROWTH.
RH: I would like to know if RB is a
At this point, SC again took the board from CS.
The recorder was not on and
a large segment of the following is unrecorded.
THE TRANSCENDENTAL SOUL DISPLACES AN OLDER SOUL
WHEN IT MANIFESTS. THIS HAS
NOT HAPPENED TO THIS MAN YET.
RH: What is he now?
HE IS A FINAL LEVEL OLDER SOUL.
(Right there with DC, KH, and RH Jr.)
ET: I would like to know about reincarnation as
presented by Gurdjeff; in
other words, "recurrence" [the idea that you
live the same life over and
over again till you get it right]. He says that
we were all cycled through
the same machine: In time we change bodies.
THIS MOST LIKELY REFERS TO ALTERNATIVE COURSES.
TIME, OR ALL TIME, DOES
EXIST, THOUGH NOT IN YOUR FRAME OF REFERENCE.
THE SENSATION OF TIME
"PASSING" IS VERY REAL ON YOUR PLANE. YOU
BELIEVE THIS AT A DEEPER LEVEL,
BUT ARE CONFUSED, AS WAS GEORGES [Gurdjieff].
YOU MAY NEED TO DUPLICATE THE
TYPE OF LIFE THAT ABRAHAM LINCOLN LIVED, AND
WHEN A PARALLEL TIME FRAME
EVOLVES, YOU WILL. THESE TIME FRAMES ARE TWO
THOUSAND YEAR CYCLES FOR THE
MOST PART. THE AXIOM, "HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF",
IS TRAGICALLY TRUE. YOU ARE
NOW ON A PARALLEL TIME FRAME WITH THE TIME OF
THE REIGN OF CAESAR AUGUSTUS.
RC: Is there any significance then in the fact
that Luke said, "Jesus was
the son of Jesus"?
NO SIGNIFICANCE OTHER THAN THIS WAS A POPULARLY
ET: I am confused.
IN ANOTHER FRAME OF REFERENCE, THE REIGN OF
CAESAR AUGUSTUS IS JUST
Comment: I have the feeling that somehow Michael
is outside of these frames
and sees them as we see a movie.
ET: Then I could be Caesar Augustus in another
frame of reference?
THERE WOULD BE NO NEED NOW FOR YOU TO DO THAT.
THIS WAS A YOUNG SOUL. YOU
CANNOT TRANSCEND THE TIME FRAMES IN THE PHYSICAL
BODY, NOR CAN YOU
REINCARNATE IN ANOTHER PHYSICAL REALITY.
I never could understand anything but
experiential time. I have interest
only, but no understanding.
ET informed the group that he had told Dr
Chaudhary of our activities, and
that Dr Chaudhary was interested, and might be
persuaded to attend a
meeting. We did discuss the possibility that
this man's questions would be
probably more thought-provoking than ours, and
we asked Michael what they
IT WOULD ADD ANOTHER DIMENSION.
ET: If time as we know it does not exist, is
there an absolute?
RH: I have the feeling that space is just
standing still and we're just
moving through it — space and time
R.H. IS SAYING THE CORRECT WORDS WITHOUT
COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING. THERE IS A
TIME AXIS ABOUT WHICH PARALLEL UNIVERSES OF
PHYSICAL REALITY REVOLVE. THE
PLAY IS ETERNAL.
Is Soleal's world outside of our time frame?
SOLEAL'S WORLD IS VERY MUCH A PART OF YOUR
We discussed the fact that Soleal had told us
before that he could visit
this planet physically in a space ship, and that
we thought he had said that
the trip would take about three days.
WE FEEL THAT IT WOULD TAKE LONGER THAN THREE
RC: Well, would it take twenty years?
SC: We asked him once before if he could come
here, and he gave us a whole
big spiel about how could we guarantee the
safety of whoever came. He said
that, yes, they would like to, but how could
anyone insure the safety of his
people, if the person who came was
psychologically unable to defend himself.
RH: Well, who insures our safety? Would it be
any more difficult to insure
his safety than the safety of our own children?
SC: But he is responsible for the safety of his
own people, that is what he
was saying, and if he does not come himself, how
can he insure the safety of
who he sends, and apparently this is a big thing
ET: Is there time on the astral plane?
NOT AS YOU KNOW IT.
SC: There have been all kinds of books written
about the cultural shock of
being contacted by an alien civilization.
Astronomers have spent hours and
hours writing these long-winded papers about
this cultural shock.
RH: Well, if he was walking next to ET, no one
would ever notice him,
because he's just a little taller than ET.
ET: Yes, but he has claws and scales.
RH: Yes, but I think that we could disguise him.
ET: I would just love to meet him.
RC: Why don't we ask for a comment about whether
or not Soleal is willing to
HE IS WILLING, BUT FRIGHTENED.
ET: Is there anything else that Michael can say
that will help me to
RH: I did read Sir James Jean's book on time,
and I've never thought about
it since, but he projected this idea of movement
through space. That's why
time exists ahead and behind, and you could look
ahead or behind if you knew
THERE IS A VORTEX ON EACH CELESTIAL BODY THROUGH
WHICH THE TIME PLANES
TRANSECT. THIS CAN BE USED FOR INTERSTELLAR
SPACE TRAVEL. HOWEVER, IT
REQUIRES AN ADEPT WHO CAN TELEPORT TO PROGRAM
RH: I wonder where our vortex is here on the
THE CLOSEST LOCATION TO YOU IS NEAR GRANT'S
ET: He said the closest location, like there's
more than one .
IT PASSES DIRECTLY THOUGH [the center of the
RH: Would it be of any advantage for us to go
and see if we could find the
thing? I mean is it a tiny thing?
CURIOSITY NOW. SATISFYING THE CURIOSITY NOW
WOULD BE THE ONLY ADVANTAGE.
NONE OF YOU IS EQUIPPED TO TELEPORT.
RH: I wonder if you feel anything when you are
in that location?
ET: He says that it requires an adept who can
teleport to program the
computer. What computer?
THE COMPUTER IN THE SPACE SHIP. THESE SHIPS
LITERALLY GO BACK IN TIME AND
FORWARD IN SPACE.
SC: We asked Soleal in an earlier session,
because he said something about
the ship's computers, "Who programmed them", and
he said "I do".
ET: Let me rephrase this. This would be a
physical space ship that they
would use, and they would go to the region and
they would have to program
their computers which would do something or the
other to coincide with this
RH: Then he would have to land somewhere up
THE COMPUTERS ARE EQUIPPED TO SEARCH FOR THE
PROPER TIME PLANE, BOTH ON
DEPARTURE AND ON ARRIVAL, SO THAT THE SAME TIME
FRAME APPLIES. OTHERWISE,
THERE WOULD BE INSTANTANEOUS DESTRUCTION.
ET: The one thing that I'm not sure about is
IF HE WERE TO TELEPORT TO THIS WORLD, HE WOULD
USE THE VORTICES EXCLUSIVELY.
THE PHYSICAL BODY CANNOT WITHSTAND THE
CONDITIONS IN SPACE. IT IS MUCH
EASIER TO USE THE SHIPS.
RH: It would be easy enough to pick up somebody
at Grant's Pass. You give
them a wig, glasses and a false beard. There are
no borders to cross or
anything like that. You just drive him down
ET: The obvious question here is, that in our
civilization, are we going to
be able to use these vortices? Is it built into
us to discover them and use
them in the future?
OH, YES. IT IS IN THE GRASP OF SEVERAL NOW.
RC: Did Einstein ever get close to this?
CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING, BUT MUCH FEAR. EINSTEIN
WAS A MATURE SOUL.
RD: Are there any Old soul mathematicians around
working on this?
RH: I wanted to ask about Arthur Rosenfeld. I
felt that he was a Young soul,
a physicist and sharer of the Nobel Prize. He
lived next door to us in
YES, HE IS, BUT MURRAY IS AN OLD SOUL.
SC: Who is Murray?
RH: Murray Gell-Mann.
AH: That's interesting. Gell-Mann wouldn't have
anything to do with anybody.
RH: Let's see; Alvarez might have been an Old
FIRST CYCLE OLD SOUL.
SC: Who is he?
RH: He was a Nobel Prize winner too — invented a
lot of things too: invented
radar. Then Owen Chamberlain was a Young soul, a
Lunar, and a troubled soul?
FIRST CYCLE MATURE SOUL; TROUBLED.
ET: Who is he?
RH: He won the Nobel Prize for the bubble
SC: Oh no he didn't; Donald Glesser did. He is
an arrogant young man — I've
RH: Well then, what about Edward Teller: is he a
NO, THIS MAN IS A FINAL CYCLE YOUNG SOUL. HE HAS
NO REAL SENSITIVITY.
The session was terminated by mutual consent at
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