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October 17, 1973



17 October 1973
Oakland
Present: RH and AH, RC and SC, PJ, SB, BS, VL, JR, TC.
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
There was some trouble with comfort as SC and RC tried to work the board.
PERHAPS YOU COULD STABILIZE THAT SOMEHOW. WHAT ARE YOUR BURNING QUESTIONS?
AH: My friend, TB, who has never come to a meeting here, has expressed a
desire to write a paper for a class she is taking in witchcraft, and I would
like to ask for her if it is all right with everyone here, and also ask the
board for comments.
SHE CAN DO A PAPER AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED.
(AH communicated this to TB later, and she had decided to write on the
Kabalah instead of our communications with Michael.)
AH: Another question for someone else concerns a man by the name of RP. RH
and I recently met him when he brought [our daughter] KH from the Carmel
area, as she was feeling ill. He has read some of our papers which KH has
shown him. We talked awhile and he wanted me to ask for him about the level
of his soul.
HE IS A FIRST LEVEL OLDER SOUL.
AH and RH expressed how good they felt when they met him.
HE IS A BEAUTIFUL GUY.
AH: I would like to ask if there is anything organically wrong with KH. We
had her checked out clinically and there was nothing wrong. However, she
does not feel well at all and has stomach pain when she eats.
K.H. MANUFACTURES ABUNDANT HYDROCHLORIC ACID AND IS WORKING TOWARD AN ULCER.
RH asked for a comment on her general health, which seems run down.
HER GENERAL HEALTH IS ALL RIGHT, EXCEPT THAT SHE DRIVES HERSELF IN AN EFFORT
TO ACHIEVE HER EXPECTATIONS, WHICH ARE HIGH. K.H.'S PATH IS A STEEP ONE.
AH: Recently I talked to EP on the phone. She is in the Mendocino Coast
Hospital, Fort Bragg, with an abscessed left lung. She asked me to ask if ET
could perhaps call on her in order to try some faith healing.
E.T. COULD GO, AND IF HER FAITH IN HIS ABILITY TO EFFECT A CURE WAS STRONG
ENOUGH, HE COULD DO IT. HE HAS THE ABILITY TO. THERE ARE EMOTIONAL OVERTONES
THAT MIGHT PROVE EFFECTIVE.
AH: One more question which my daughter, CH, requested me to ask: will
"EST", which she is in the process of experiencing, help her to burn karmic
ribbons?
SOMETHING LIKE "ERHARD SENSITIVITY TRAINING" DOES NOT BURN RIBBONS, BUT THE
EXPERIENCE COULD CONCEIVABLY PUT HER IN TOUCH WITH UNTAPPED INNER RESOURCES
THAT WOULD ENABLE HER TO MAKE WISE CHOICES IN THE FUTURE AND THUS BURN THE
RIBBONS.
SC wanted to know if children could be helped by EST.
THE CHILDREN WOULD BENEFIT ENORMOUSLY.
SC: That's the first they've ever said that any of us would benefit. When I
offered to send [my daughter] DC to the special children's EST, she began to
cry.
THE CHILDREN DO NOT ALWAYS MAKE WISE CHOICES.
SC: You mean I ought to drag DC screaming and kicking?
PJ: I would like to know what level my son, JJ, is. He is 14 years old.
HE IS A THIRD LEVEL OLD SOUL. THIS CHILD IS GIFTED.
PJ: What do I do with his gifts?
ALLOW HIM TO DEVELOP THEM. HE COULD BE A POWERFUL PSYCHIC. HE EXPRESSES THIS
MUSICALLY. (He possesses) THE INTUITIVE SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING SO OFTEN
PRESENT IN OLDER SOULS.
RH: What type is JR? I would assume he is influenced by Mercury and Venus.
J.R. IS ALMOST SOLELY MERCURIAL, BUT VENUS EXERTS A WEAK INFLUENCE,
PRIMARILY IN INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.
RH: How about T?
SHE IS ALSO MERCURIAL, SOME SATURN. J.R. IS A FIRST LEVEL OLDER SOUL. T. IS
A SIXTH LEVEL MATURE SOUL.
RH: It is hard to tell the level of Mercurial souls, as they have this young
look about them — bright, sparkley eyes. Is it possible to identify how many
Fragments are united, and can we begin to identify them?
UNDER HYPNOSIS VERY ADVANCED STUDENTS CAN IDENTIFY THEIR OWN FRAGMENTS. YOU
CAN SOMETIMES IDENTIFY FRAGMENTS IN OTHERS BY DIVERSITY.
RH: Must mean by the diversity of the person. It seems like HL is many
Fragments united. Could we have a comment on that.
H.L.'S ENTITY NOW HAS ONLY FOURTEEN FRAGMENTS EXTANT [incarnate] ON THE
PHYSICAL PLANE.
RH: How many Fragments are united in him already?
IN HIM THERE ARE FIFTY UNITED FRAGMENTS. THE OTHERS FORM LOW ASTRAL
ENTITIES.
RH: If a person has Fragments on the astral plane, do they try to influence
Fragments on the physical plane?
YES. TOMAS IS A PART OF THE ENTITY THAT INCLUDES L.
RH: She is always talking to him. She used to run the Ouija board for our
group and has left us. SB confuses me because she is Mercurial. Because of
their bright eyes and youthful look, I tend to put Mercurial persons in the
young soul category. Could I find the soul level of SB?
THAT IS A FORGIVABLE TRANSGRESSION. S.B. IS A SECOND LEVEL OLD SOUL.
RH: I would like to verify if our radiologist, JW, is a Baby soul. He seems
naive. It has nothing to do with competence — it is his behavior.
THAT IS VALID. THE SOCIAL BEHAVIOR OF BABY SOULS IS NORMALLY A DEAD
GIVEAWAY. THEY HAVE NONE OF THE SMOOTHNESS OF THE OLDER CYCLES. NEW
SITUATIONS FRIGHTEN THEM. CHANGE OF ANY TYPE IS THREATENING. THE YOUNG SOUL
IS USUALLY POLISHED AND POISED SOCIALLY. THE MATURE SOUL IS SOMETIMES
NERVOUS IN CROWDS IF THE VIBRATIONS ARE BAD, BUT THEY ARE EXACTING IN THEIR
SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS. THE OLD SOUL IS CASUAL ABOUT EVERYTHING. BABY SOULS
TEND TO BE IMMACULATE ABOUT PERSON AND HOME — HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT
HYGIENE. THEY LIVE BY STANDARD CLICHΙS, AND, AFTER ALL, "CLEANLINESS IS NEXT
TO GODLINESS". THE YOUNG SOUL OFTEN KEEPS EXTERNAL APPEARANCES: SHOVES
EVERYTHING INTO THE CLOSET BEFORE THE COMPANY COMES. THE MATURE SOUL GOES IN
SPURTS: ONE DAY CLEAN, THE NEXT DAY, NOT TOO CLEAN. THE OLD SOUL USUALLY
DOES NOT BOTHER TO SHOVE ANYTHING IN THE CLOSET — WHO CARES? THE BABY SOULS
REGULARLY CLEAN DRAWERS, CUPBOARDS AND THE TOPS OF REFRIGERATORS.
SB: That's my mother! Is she a Baby soul? But then I do that too — I clean
the top of the refrigerator.
S.B.'S MOTHER IS A BABY SOUL. S.B. IS [chronologically] YOUNG — SHE IS
GETTING SLOPPIER.
What level is GM? She seems Mercurial, Solar, Baby soul. She has a high
energy field.
G.M. IS A BABY SOUL WITH A HIGH ENERGY LEVEL. WE DO NOT DETECT SOLAR
INFLUENCE, BUT MUCH MERCURY. SHE IS JUST ENERGETIC.
Discussion was held intimating that RB tended to hold back information from
his students. A strong statement came through — the Ouija board workers said
that they felt a strong force.
THE MAN, R.B., IS A GOOD TEACHER. IT DEPARTS SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THE
TEACHINGS OF PETER OUSPENSY AND GEORGES GURDJIEFF. THE COMPLEXION OF THE
GROUP IS GRADUALLY EVOLVING TO A STAGE WHERE CERTAIN MEMBERS SUCH AS K.H.
WILL FORCE HIM TO DIVULGE HIS REAL TEACHING.
RH: I would like to know what the nature of the next Overleaf is?
WE WERE HOPING TO TIE THOSE YOU ALREADY HAVE TOGETHER BEFORE GOING ON.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE FOUR MORE INFLUENCES THAT COME INTO PLAY AND DETERMINE
THE ROLES THAT ARE CHOSEN AND HOW THE ACTORS PERFORM IN THEM. THERE ARE
SEVEN MAJOR LIFE "ROLES".
SB: I would like to know about my Entity Fragments. Do I know any of them
now?
S.B. IS INFLUENCED BY MERCURY.
RH: She wanted to know about her Entity Fragments.
S.B. IS NOT AT THE PRESENT IN CONTACT WITH ANY OF HER [Entity] FRAGMENTS.
SHE HAS BEEN AND WILL BE AGAIN.
SB: Could I have a hint as to whom?
ONE WILL COME INTO THIS GROUP SOON.
Discussion was held as to who was in whose Entity. AH asked why this was
important to know.
SOME OF THIS WILL SHORTLY FALL INTO PLACE. J.R. SHOULD ATTEND A SESSION WITH
E.S.
Is ES a Fragment of JR's Entity?
NO. GIVE THE NEW PEOPLE [in attendance] A CHANCE.
Could we have some insight into B's and V's Bodytypes?
B. IS MARTIAL, SOME SATURNINE INFLUENCE. V. IS MOSTLY VENUTION, SOME
MERCURY.
And their soul levels?
V. IS EMOTIONALLY CENTERED, A MATURE SOUL, MID CYCLE. B. IS MOVING CENTERED,
A FIRST LEVEL OLD SOUL.
THERE IS NO PARTICULAR ADVANTAGE TO KNOW THIS UNLESS YOU PLAN TO PUT IT INTO
PRACTICE IN HELPING YOU TO OBSERVE YOURSELVES AND THOSE AROUND YOU, TOWARD
IMPROVING YOUR INTERACTIONS IN A POSITIVE FASHION. THERE IS NO SPECIFIC
ADVANTAGE TO A LEVEL ON THE CYCLE. SELF-AGGRANDIZEMENT [for being an older
soul than someone else] IS MAYA TOO, OF A MOST NEGATIVE SORT.
SC: There is no advantage of being on one level over another one. No one
trapped in one Center is better off than another somewhere else. Since it
was said that I was Moving Centered, that means I can get to my Moving
Center more readily than someone trapped in Emotional or Intellectual
Center.
THAT IS MERELY A SUGGESTION, NOT A COMMAND.
JR: I would like to ask about a recurring dream I have had and the
significance of it.
JR was asked to concentrate and everyone else was asked to concentrate on
JR's dream without having him verbalize it.
J.R.'S DREAM IS HIGHLY SYMBOLIC OF AN INCIDENT WHICH HAPPENED TO HIM WHEN HE
WAS THREE YEARS OLD. HYPNOSIS WOULD HELP RECOVER THE INCIDENT. MARIJUANA
MIGHT ALSO.
SC: If it bothers you, you could have hypnosis.
JR: It does not bother me. I get the feeling of falling through a long
tunnel, and there are large, bulbous shapes. It's the only dream I can
remember having more than once.
THE SENSATIONS OF FALLING OFTEN ACCOMPANIES THE SUDDEN RETURN TO THE BODY
AFTER ASTRAL SOJOURNS. ALL OF YOU DO SPEND PART OF THE LIGHT SLEEP ON THE
ASTRAL PLANE.
PJ left the meeting because she was tired. The question was asked why sleep
was necessary.
SLEEP IS NECESSARY TO REPAIR PSYCHIC TRAUMA. THE LESS YOU INCUR, THE LESS
YOU NEED TO SLEEP. DEEP WOUNDING REQUIRES MUCH SLEEP. OF COURSE, PSYCHIC
TRAUMA IS SELF-INFLICTED AND USUALLY KICKS OFF A CHAIN REACTION, RESULTING
IN LIFELONG SLEEP HABITS. THE MORE YOU REPRESS, THE MORE YOU DREAM. THOSE
WHO DO NOT REPRESS CAN SPEND MOST OF THEIR SLEEP PERIODS ON THE ASTRAL
PLANE. SOLEAL IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
A comment was made about SC's book, which came from automatic writing on the
typewriter, believed to have come from Soleal's astral projections.
SC wanted to know if there was one dominant thread. If you do it to her in
this life, is she going to turn around and do it to you in the next life. Is
it that karmic ribbons makes you find them?
RH said that it did not have to be a negative thing — roles were reversed to
complete the Monad. Most people burn karmic ribbons by reliving, but if you
are aware, then you can burn them by making a total separation from them.
SC said she felt strong obligations to some people (T and R [her tenants])
and this was part of her karma. She said that Michael told ET that now that
he knew about his karma, to just acknowledge it.
RH said that psychological freedom comes from knowing that you are not bound
by ribbons to people.
RC: Are the karmic ribbons influenced by false personality?
YES. ENTRAPMENT IN THE BODY AND THE CHIEF FEATURE ARE KARMA FOR ESSENCE. ALL
OTHER[karmic ribbon]S ARISE FROM ACTIONS BORN OF THE WAKING SLEEP. IF YOU
ARE AWAKE, YOU WOULD NOT DO IT.
SC: Gurdjieff says that most people pass their lives in the "waking sleep".
If you want to verify it, just try to remember what you had for dinner last
Tuesday, or how many traffic lights did you drive through when you came over
here.
VL: Is it fate if you are psychic and predict the future?
SC: They told us that was bad work. It does not do any good to know the
answer. We have to work out answers for ourselves. Tomas predicted the
second coming, but as far as our own lives go, it is not good work to ask
for answers for the future. All choices are yours. You even choose your
[Essence] Role.
RH: If you know you're going to be murdered, you can change your karma and
do something about it. If you are aware of your karma, you can change.
THIS RESURGENCE OF INTEREST IS A HARBINGER. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR YOU
TO CHECK WITH LOCAL BOOK SELLERS AND ASK THEM WHAT TYPE OF LITERATURE IS
MOVING.
SC: This is interesting, because I've told three different people recently
that I'm now writing a book on the life of Christ, and they were all quite
different from each other, but all three suggested that I read The Last Temp
tations of Christ before I do much more writing.
T mentioned a book she had read recently, and we wondered what was causing
the resurgence.
IT IS CALLED MESSIANIC FEVER.
SC: Just look around you — the ancient enemies are at it again; political
unrest, religious schism. Tomas told us that the Infinite soul would
manifest in 1997 and bring the Logos to bear.
RC: One more question I can ask later.
SC: No, no. Do it now. Be aggressive!
RC: I just wanted to ask about the "Rheems" (what Michael calls the space
travelers who appeared in Mississippi). What has happened to them?
NOW THEY HAVE ATTRACTED A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION WITH THEIR LANDING CRAFT.
THEY ARE NOW BACK IN THEIR SHIPS TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER TO MAKE OVERT
CONTACT. INCIDENTALLY, THE PROBES WILL ENCOUNTER THESE CRAFTS. TOO BAD THEY
HAVE STOPPED SIGNALING.





 

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