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 Oct 1, 1974



Prompted by information indicating the group was timid about photographing those in exalted Roles, _____ asked the group to please not fail to photograph her, as she is very open for it.

What does the Scholar seek?

THE SCHOLAR SEEKS TO DEFINE THE LOGOS.

What does the Priest seek?

THE PRIEST SEEKS — AS THE KING AND THE SAGE — THE TAO.

What does the Artisan seek?

THE SAGE.

What does the Slave seek?

THE PRIEST. ([The] WARRIOR SEEKS [the] KING.)

Who does the Scholar seek — the nearest Scholar?

ALL SEEK TO EXALT THEIR ROLES TO THE NEAREST POWER.

What is “the nearest power”?

THE ONE WITH THE CLOSEST AFFINITY IN THE EXALTED ROLES IS SOUGHT BY THE BALANCED SOUL WITH AN ORDINAL ROLE. SINCE THE SCHOLAR DOES NOT HAVE A PARTICULAR AFFINITY FOR ANY OF THE EXALTED ROLES, THE SEEKING, LIKE THE ROLE ITSELF, IS PECULIAR TO THIS ROLE. THIS IS A NEUTRAL, GENDERLESS ROLE. AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, COUPLED WITH OTHER GENDERLESS OVERLEAVES, THIS CAN BE AN EXCELLENT PLATFORM FROM WHICH TO BEGIN THE SEARCH; BUT OFTEN THIS VERY GENDERLESSNESS CAUSES MULTIPLE DIVERSIONS INTO MORE EXOTIC PURSUITS BEFORE THE GOAL IS REACHED. IF YOU MEET WITH EXTREMELY OLD SOULS IN EXALTED ROLES, YOU ARE CERTAIN TO NOTICE THAT THEIR GOALS SEEM NO LONGER EARTH BOUND AND TEMPORAL, AND THERE IS A STEADY INCREASE IN OTHERWORLDLINESS IN THEIR BEHAVIOR. SOMETIMES THIS SUCCEEDS IN SETTING THEM COMPLETELY APART FROM THE MAINSTREAM. IT IS UNUSUAL FOR THESE EXALTED ANCIENTS NOT TO SEEK SOME TYPE OF ESOTERIC TEACHING. MANY DEVOTE THEIR ENTIRE LIVES TO THIS PURSUIT, AND THEIR CAPACITY FOR DEDICATION IS VERY GREAT.

What is the SRG of _____, a mid cycle Mature Sage, Growth, Idealist, Venus / Saturn, Intellectual part of Emotional Center, Stubbornness, Passion?

THIS LADY IS NOT IN THE PASSION MODE, BUT IS IN THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF EMOTIONAL CENTER; A FLAGRANT IDEALIST ON THE ROMANTIC SIDE, GIVING HER THE MASK OF PASSION; OTHERWISE VALID; IN THE PASSION [Power?] MODE; A TROUBLED MID CYCLE MATURE SOUL.

What is the SRG of _______: early Old Warrior, Growth, Realist, Saturn / Lunar, Moving part of Intellectual Center, Impatience, Power?

YES, THIS LADY WAS KNOWN TO YOU BEFORE THREE TIMES, IN FACT. THIS IS A SIXTH LEVEL MATURE WARRIOR, NOT IN IMPATIENCE, BUT STUBBORN[ness]. ALL ELSE IS VALID.

There was a discussion about Overleaves, their positive and negative sides. Acceptance seems to be RC’s strongest, and maybe ______’s strongest.

THE ACCEPTANCE COMBINED WITH THE CAUTION MODE HAVE BEEN, IN THE PAST, YOUR PRIMARY STUMBLING BLOCK, AND UNTIL SIX MONTHS [ago] WOULD HAVE BEEN OBVIOUS AS YOUR PROMINENT OVERLEAVES. NOW THE ACCEPTANCE COMMANDS THE FOREFRONT AS YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED WORK WITH YOUR CAUTION [Mode], AND HAVE MANAGED TO THROW CAUTION TO THE WINDS IN SEVERAL INSTANCES. BY DOING SO YOU HAVE ALMOST RENDERED THIS OVERLEAF NEUTRAL AND WORKABLE. THE ACCEPTANCE CAN BE QUITE POSITIVE, YES, BUT IT MUST COME FROM WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED TO CALL “EXTERNAL CONSIDERATION”, AND NOT FROM THE PERSONALITY’S “INTERNAL CONSIDERATION”. WHEN THE MANIFESTATION COMES FROM PERSONALITY, IT CAN BE VERY NEGATIVE IN TERMS OF THE ENERGY DRAIN TO YOU.

It seems like I’ve given up acceptance and not given up the caution, like “less caution about saying no”.

PLEASE DON’T MISUNDERSTAND US. ACCEPTANCE IS NOT A NEGATIVE GOAL; IT IS A POWERFUL, EXALTED GOAL, AND CAN BE PARTICULARLY USEFUL IN THE REALM OF EXTERNAL CONSIDERATION.

Is my greatest need to work with caution rather than acceptance? Lately I’ve felt more materialistically oriented, not otherworldliness.

IT IS ALSO TRANSIENT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARY FOR YOU TO EXPERIENCE OUT. IT IS ALSO NOT THAT PROMINENT IN YOUR LIFE, AND YOU ARE NOT THAT ATTACHED TO IT. IT IS SIMPLY THAT YOU HAVE STUMBLED UPON A COUPLE OF TOOLS THAT DO MAKE THE ENVIRONMENT MORE PLEASURABLE, AND TO THIS END YOU PRACTICE MATERIALISM. WE DO NOT SEE MATERIALISTIC SUCCESS AS A PRIMARY LIFE GOAL FOR YOU.

There was a discussion about “championing the underdog”: What Overleaves do this? Is it a need to win? Is it driven by Self-deprecation? Is it some sort of projection? What Overleaves account for one standing up for what one perceives to be an underdog?

IN THE FIRST PLACE, MOST UNDERDOGS ARE MARTYRS. MANY OF THEM [are] ALSO IN REJECTION; THEY SIMPLY CANNOT WIN. THOSE WHO CHAMPION THEM NORMALLY HAVE AS THEIR STRONGEST OVERLEAF ACCEPTANCE, OR AS THE MAN E. HAS OFFERED, IT IS A PROJECTION OF THEIR OWN MARTYRDOM. SOME SIMPLY SEEK TO AVOID WHAT THEY PERCEIVE TO BE THE TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES OF A “GROUP TROUNCE”. THE LATTER SOULS ARE USUALLY IN ACCEPTANCE, AND FORESEE ALL SORTS OF DIRE CONSEQUENCES TO THAT PROCEDURE AND MUST “SPARE” THE VICTIM.

There was further discussion, then:

YOU SEE, THE MARTYR SAYS TO THE WORLD, “JUST LOOK AT THE ENORMOUS CROSS I BEAR”. HE DOES NOT WISH YOUR HELP, ONLY YOUR ADMIRATION. THE SOUL IN REJECTION IS AT THE SAME TIME SAYING, “I WILL MAKE YOU REJECT ME NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY TO ACCEPT ME, FOR MY PAIN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR PLEASURE”. CAN’T YOU SEE THE DYNAMICS HERE? BY THE WAY, THE HUMAN SOUL IS NOT A FRAGILE ITEM.

What is the SRG on _____, Old Scholar, Growth, Realist, Mercurial, Intellectual part of Emotional Center?

THIS MAN WAS A SECOND LEVEL OLD SCHOLAR IN OBSERVATION, IN GROWTH, A REALIST IN THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF EMOTIONAL CENTER, YES, MOSTLY MERCURIAL, SOME LUNAR.

Are _____ and I related by [Entity] Fragment or Sequence?

NO, BUT THE OVERLEAVES ARE SO SIMILAR THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ERR.

What is the SRG on _____, my wife: late Young Artisan, Self-deprecation, Pragmatist, Intellectual part of Moving Center, Passion?

[She is] A MID CYCLE YOUNG ARTISAN, YES, IN THE CAUTION MODE. THE SELF-DEPRECATION IS STRONG, AND IN THIS CYCLE CAN SOMETIMES BE CONFUSED WITH “PASSION”, IN THE ORDINARY SENSE OF THE WORD.

SC shared some of her experience in hypnosis. We wondered, Who was looking through her eyes and who shared the space with her?

IN OUR ATTEMPT TO FOCUS THROUGH S.C., THE BLINDNESS WAS A PART OF THE NON-PHYSICAL. S.C.’S COMPANION WAS THE ARTISAN FRIEND. IT IS NECESSARY FOR THE PARTICIPANT TO “STEP” OFF INTO THE CORRIDOR FOR US TO GAIN CONTROL OF THE PHYSICAL AND SPEAK. WE HAVE BEEN WILLING TO COME IN THIS FORM, BUT HAD NEVER BEFORE FOUND A WILLING TRANCE MEDIUM THAT WAS AS S.C. THAT EVENING. HER FEAR IS THE FALSE PERSONALITY[’s fear of] LOSING CONTROL. UNTIL HER FALSE PERSONALITY BECOMES ACCEPTING OF THIS, THE SAME TOTAL FEAR WILL GAIN CONTROL AND BLOCK US. S.C. WILL BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THIS FEAR WITH ALL OF YOUR HELP AND ASSISTANCE. MORE PRACTICE WILL BE NECESSARY. IT IS A GREAT HELP FOR S.C. TO OPEN THESE DOORS. YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO SIMILAR EXPERIENCES PREVIOUSLY, AND WERE UNABLE TO OPEN YOURSELVES TO THIS. THE TIME HAS COME [that] YOU WILL EITHER BE ABLE TO ACCEPT AND GROW, OR WILL EXPERIENCE COMPLETE DENIAL.

Who was the Artisan friend?

THIS WAS _____. EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS NOT IDENTIFYING THE CORRIDOR, SHE WAS THERE. (_____ had spent this identical time alone at home playing records, writing letters, and feeling extremely strong emotionally. SC, with the hypnosis group, kept hearing music.) S.C. WAS HEARING PARTS OF _____’S TRANSMISSION, THOUGH NOT HEARING ENOUGH TO IDENTIFY THE MUSIC. THE PHRASE, “I’VE SEEN THE SAUCERS” IS ONE YOU WILL KNOW. (I’ve Seen the Saucers, by Elton John, was played three times by _____ during the course of her evening.)

I’ve been thinking about Ann Landers and her place in the scheme of things. I think her reason for existence is part of alienated society: we are isolated; we can’t ask anyone else for help. This is a sad commentary on our existence. Should I write about this?

OF COURSE.

Since coming back from Italy, I keep feeling contact with my essence twin. Is this person studying Gurdjieff?

YOUR FEELINGS IN THIS ARE VALID. YOUR “TWIN” IS NEAR TO YOUR PERSONALITY; WILL BE MEETING SOON. YOU ARE IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES. WHEN THIS HAPPENS, YOU WILL BRING HIM TO A MEETING, AND ALL WILL KNOW. NO, HE WILL NOT THINK YOU ARE CRAZY; HE WILL BELIEVE. FOR THE FIRST TIME, HE IS SANE. HE WILL HAVE FOUND HOME. HE IS SEARCHING. IT WILL BE BY “ACCIDENT” THAT HE FINDS YOU. THIS SHOULD HELP _____ IN THE KNOWLEDGE THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS IN FINDING TWINS.

Michael has said “soon” to two events. What does this mean in reference to Gaius? Teaching talents?

OF COURSE, _____, YOU MUST REALIZE THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES OPEN TO THESE FRAGMENTS AS WELL AS TO YOU. WHEN WE SAY “SOON”, HOWEVER, IT IS MEANT THAT ALL (underscore the all!) OF THE ALTERNATIVES ARE ROADS LEADING IN ONE DIRECTION, AND THEY WILL COME ABOUT. IT IS TRUE THIS MAY TAKE THE GREATER PART OF ONE TEMPORAL YEAR, BUT THIS IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET WHEN COMPARED TO A LIFETIME OR TWO OF WORKING. THE FRAGMENT THAT WAS GAIUS HAS NOT LEFT SPAIN YET, BUT ALL ALTERNATIVES POINT IN THAT DIRECTION.

Things have been happening which seem to point to me changing Modes. What is the outlook? Is it Growth?

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE GROWTH PROCESS, AND MEANS, _____, THAT YOU ARE MOVING INTO THE POSITIVE POLES OF YOUR OVERLEAVES, PRIOR TO FINAL MANIFESTATION OF THE OLD ARTISAN. YOU ARE COMING TO THIS PLACE YEARS BEFORE THE AVERAGE CONFRONTATION, WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING GIVEN YOUR YEARS IN THE TEACHING. INCIDENTALLY, THE LADY V. IS ALSO REACHING THIS POINT.

______ posed a question for ______ concerning her boss. What are the dynamics or Sequences or what is going on here, and what can she do about it?

FIRST OF ALL, IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE EITHER KARMA OR SEQUENCES IN ORDER TO HAVE POOR RELATIONS WITH SOULS IN CONFLICT. IN THIS CASE THERE IS NONE. THE PROBLEM LIES IN THE LADY AND THE ENORMOUS CONFLICTS THEREIN. THIS IS A FORTH LEVEL BABY WARRIOR IN SUBMISSION. SHE IS A REALIST, MOSTLY LUNAR, SOME JOVIAL. THIS FRAGMENT RESENTS BEING FEMALE SO MUCH THAT SHE IS IN CONSTANT CONFLICT WITH HER ENVIRONMENT. ALSO THE WARRIOR ESSENCE IS ILL SUITED FOR THE ROLE THAT FALSE PERSONALITY HAS ASSUMED, THAT IS, SUPERVISING PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE. IF SHE WERE SUPERVISING CLERICAL WORKERS OR LABORERS, SHE WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE THE SAME BAD DYNAMICS WITH THEM. THIS LADY IS ALSO IN THE PASSION MODE, AND ILL SUITED FOR A SCIENTIFIC CAREER. YOU HAVE ARMED FOR BATTLE MANY TIMES. WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DO SO NOW,

_______ asked is the pressures asserted by the full moon (astrological moon) were influencing behavior of certain ones at the place he works.

IT IS COMMON THAT TROUBLED SOULS REACT TO THE FULL MOON WITH FAR MORE INTENSITY THAN MORE BALANCED OUT SOULS. THE THING THAT THESE YOUNG MEN HAD IN COMMON WAS THAT THEY WERE ALL TROUBLED MIDCYCLE MATURE SOULS. TROUBLED SOULS CAN SOMETIMES BE GUIDED THROUGH THIS DIFFICULT PERIOD BY SOMEONE WHO IS ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE EGO DISINTEGRATION AND WHO IS IN TUNE WITH THE LUNAR CYCLE AND ALSO CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE INVOLVED SOULS TO RECOGNIZE THE RESTLESSNESS AND DISORIENTATION THAT PRECEDES THE BREAK.

Is there any astrological force involved in this other than the waxing of the moon? One of these boys died with apparently no bad health and no known cause. Last night I perceived this and made another aware of the full moon. He went through many trips — set fire to the house, tried to overdose, etcetera.

AT THIS TIME THE LUNAR FORCE IS THE STRONGEST.

I have been offered two jobs, one at the same place _____ is. I feel uncertain about both. Comment?

THE BEST ADVICE THAT WE CAN GIVE IS THAT WHICH WE HAVE GIVEN MANY TIMES BEFORE: IF IT FEELS WRONG, DON’T DO IT. LET YOUR INTUITION DRIVE YOU TO YOUR SPOT. DON’T RUN THIS KIND OF RISK UNLESS YOU ARE VERY CONFIDENT THAT IT FITS COMPLETELY. THIS DOES NOT COME FROM INTELLECTUAL OR MOVING CENTER — IT MUST BE INTUITED. IF YOU HAVE DOUBT, DON’T JUMP.

_____ asked about his Bodytype.

MOSTLY JOVIAL, BUT LUNAR YES

What is the SRG on _______: Old Priest or Young Warrior, Growth, Spiritualist, Emotional part of Moving Center?

IT IS SOMETIMES QUITE DIFFICULT FOR THE STUDENT TO PICK UP ON THE OVERLEAVES IN SOULS OF DIFFERENT CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS. IN FACT, THIS TAKES REAL SKILL. THIS LADY IS A SEVENTH LEVEL YOUNG PRIEST. THE OTHER OVERLEAVES ARE VALID.

What is the SRG on my wife: Mature Priest, Growth, Moving part of Emotional Center, Caution?

THIS LADY IS A SIXTH LEVEL MATURE PRIEST IN GROWTH, ALSO IN ARROGANCE, YES IN THE CAUTION MODE; A SPIRITUALIST IN THE MOVING PART OF EMOTIONAL CENTER.

What does Michael think of the teachings of Krishnamurti?

THIS METHOD OF TEACHING IS MOST VALUABLE IN THOSE SOULS TRAPPED IN THE EMOTIONAL PART OF MOVING CENTER, OR IN THE EMOTIONAL CENTER PROPER. YES, A., HE MAKES ONE THINK, AND THIS LEADS IN SOME WAYS TO CONTACT WITH INTELLECT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE BARRAGE LEAVES LITTLE ROOM FOR EMOTIONAL REACTIONS UNTIL ITS OVER, AND BY THAT TIME SOME HAS BEEN ABSORBED. THE TEACHINGS THEMSELVES ARE IN PART INSPIRED BY HIGHER SOURCES, AND IN PART BY KRISHNA[murti]’S VIVID PERSONALITY.

_______ discussed his vacillating beliefs in life after death or not, and fears of having or not having a soul, etcetera. _______ commented that one almost has to have lived before to have a fear of it.

THIS FEAR R., IS ONLY SHARED BY OTHER ENSOULED BEINGS. BY THE WAY, YOUR INSIGHT IS VALID. R., RECALLING VIVIDLY SOME OF YOUR OWN COUNTLESS DEATHS WOULD STRENGTHEN YOUR BELIEF. THIS ANTI BELIEF WAS LITERALLY POUNDED INTO YOU AT THE AGE WHEN YOU WERE STORING YOUR MOST PROFOUND PHILOSOPHIES ON THE NATURE OF PHYSICAL THINGS. THIS IS WHY IT HAS BEEN SO DIFFICULT TO SHAKE. THERE ARE STAGES THROUGH WHICH ALL CREATURES OF REASON PASS, AT WHICH TIME CERTAIN SELECTIVE BODIES OF INFORMATION CAN BE MUCH MORE PERMANENTLY IMPRINTED THAN AT ANY OTHER STAGE.



 

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