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November 15, 1973



15 November 1973
Could we fund a medical clinic in a similar way to the ways EST has?
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. THIS WOULD BE AN INTERESTING AND NOBLE
EXPERIMENT. OF COURSE, YOUR PATIENTS TREATED IN THIS MANNER WOULD FIRST HAVE
TO BE CONVINCED THAT WRONG THINKING IS THE BASIS OF DISEASE. THIS WOULD
REQUIRE LENGTHY INTRODUCTORY SESSIONS. THE ONLY SOULS WHO WOULD REALLY
BENEFIT FROM THIS APPROACH WOULD OF COURSE BE MATURE SOULS AND OLD SOULS.
YOUNG SOULS DO NOT POSSESS A DEVELOPED SENSE OF SELF AND COULD NOT DIRECT
THE KNOWLEDGE INWARD. ALSO THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM WOULD MITIGATE AGAINST THEIR
ACCEPTANCE. IN ORDER TO MAKE SUCH A VENTURE PRACTICAL AND SUCCESSFUL YOU
WOULD HAVE TO BUILD WHAT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO A SPA, WHERE PATIENTS COULD
COME AND STAY FOR THE DURATION OF THEIR TREATMENT. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO
WORRY ABOUT EXPENSE. THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE ENROLLED IN ESOTERIC TEACHINGS
NOW THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A WAITING LIST. YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCORPORATE
VARIOUS MODALITIES WITHIN THIS SYSTEM TO MAKE IT WORK, SUCH AS: DIET,
MANIPULATION, CORRECT POSTURING, EXERCISE, ETC. THESE ARE ALL NECESSARY TO
CORRECT BEFORE THE ORGANIC PROBLEMS CAN BE SOLVED. AFTER ALL, OBESITY IS A
DIRECT RESULT OF WRONG THINKING, YET OBESE PEOPLE ARE SELDOM CURED BY ANY
OTHER METHOD THAN LOCKING UP THEIR FOOD.
EM: I would like advice regards getting rid of pain.
WE CAN BE OF ASSISTANCE ONLY IN THAT YOUR ILLNESS IS A PART OF KARMA FOR
YOU, AND WHEN YOU COME TO GRIPS WITH YOUR SPIRITUAL CONTROVERSY THE PAIN
WILL NO LONGER BE NECESSARY. THIS CAN BE ACCELERATED OF COURSE BY THOSE
METHODS WE HAVE OUTLINED FOR THE OTHERS; THAT IS: MEDITATION, CONCENTRATION,
FASTING AND STUDY. E.M. IS WAGING AN INTERNAL BATTLE WITH REASON VERSUS
DOGMA. THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL, JUST AGONIZING, PARTICULARLY FOR SCHOLARS WHO
ARE SLAVES TO REASON.
WE SHOULD LIKE TO CORRECT THE PASSAGE IN YOUR NOTES CONCERNING THE LADY,
B.M. THIS LADY IS A PRIEST AND NOT AN ARTISAN. AGAIN, THIS IS AN ERROR IN
TRANSMISSION. THESE WILL HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY AND WE SHALL ENDEAVOR TO
CORRECT THEM AS WE BECOME AWARE OF THEM.
DON'T BE SURPRISED TO FIND THAT IN THE PAST YOU WERE SOMEONE OF FAME OR
NOTORIETY. THIS SHOULD NOT SURPRISE YOU AT ALL. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY
EIGHTY THOUSAND SIXTH AND SEVENTH LEVEL OLD SOULS EXTANT ON THE PHYSICAL
PLANE AT THE PRESENT TIME, SEVENTY THOUSAND APPROXIMATELY FIFTH LEVEL OLD
SOULS, [and] THIRTY THOUSAND FOURTH LEVEL. AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A
SMALL COMPANY WHEN YOU TAKE THE WORLD POPULATION INTO CONSIDERATION. WE HAVE
DETECTED SOME DISBELIEF, AND YET YOU WERE ALL YOUNG SOULS AT ONE TIME. THERE
IS A FRAGMENT LIVING QUIETLY IN SUSSEX NOW, AN OLD SOUL, WHO WAS IN THE PAST
NINE TIMES THE MAYOR OF LONDON.
Where do people stay after death? In what space are they?
THIS DEPENDS A GREAT DEAL ON THE LEVEL OF THE SOUL AND THE BELIEF SYSTEM
GOING AT THE TIME OF TRANSITION. FOR INSTANCE, THOSE WHOSE SOULS MAKE
TRANSITION BELIEVING IN A LITERAL HEAVEN AND HELL WILL HAVE TO EXPERIENCE
THIS BEFORE THEY CAN EXPERIENCE ANYTHING ELSE, AS UNFORTUNATELY THEY CREATE
THIS OUT OF ASTRAL MATTER WITH THE THOUGHTS OF TRANSITION. THEN THOSE SOULS
LIKE [the atheist] JEAN PAUL SARTRE MUST EXPERIENCE A LONG PERIOD OF
"NOTHING" BEFORE THEY GO ON. THEN THE SOUL BECOMES A HABITUÉ OF THE LOW
ASTRAL PLANE. THE ALTERNATIVE THREADS CAN BE PURSUED, THE ALTERNATE COURSES
OUTLINED, AND THE CHOICES MADE.
There was a discussion here regarding Entity Fragmenting once, regrouping,
then going back to the Tao.
I was David Hume. Was anyone else David Hume?
WHEN YOU WERE DAVID THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY FORTY INTEGRATED FRAGMENTS [in
your Entity]. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR REAL QUESTION, NO, THERE IS NO ONE ELSE
ALIVE WHO WAS DAVID. THE FRAGMENTS UNITE -- THEY DO NOT SCATTER AGAIN.
RF: Is my mother a Fragment of my Entity?
NO. THERE ARE NO KINGS HERE TONIGHT; [There is] A NEW PRIEST THOUGH.
RH: Who?
E.C.
D: I would like to know my soul level and Role.
[You are a] FOURTH LEVEL MATURE SCHOLAR. THIS YOUNG MAN HAS DIFFICULTY
TRUSTING INTUITION, WHICH STEMS FROM CHILDHOOD MISADVENTURES, AND [this] IS
ALSO INHERENT IN THE [Mature] CYCLE.
ET: I would like a definition of any Role and how it is assigned.
IT IS NOT ASSIGNED. NOTHING IS -- ALL IS CHOSEN. THE SLAVE IS A SERVICE ROLE
IN A MENIAL SENSE. HOWEVER, IT IS POSSIBLE TO EXPERIENCE ALL OF LIFE WITHIN
THIS FRAMEWORK. THE SLAVE WILL ALWAYS LOOK RATHER WOEBEGONE REGARDLESS OF
STATION IN LIFE AND WILL APPEAR POOR REGARDLESS OF MATERIAL WEALTH. THE
MANIFESTED SLAVE MAKES A GOOD BUT BUSY HOST AS THEY WORRY ABOUT THE COMFORTS
OF THOSE AROUND. THE SLAVE IN ESSENCE IDENTIFIES WITH THE WRONGS OF HUMANITY
AND TRIES TO BRING COMFORT IN A MATERIAL SENSE TO MANY. THE PRIEST IS THE
SLAVE EXALTED. THE PRIEST IS BORN WITH A SENSE OF GOD-CONSCIOUSNESS OR
"OTHER WORLDLINESS." THE PRIEST IN ESSENCE CHOOSES A LIFE ROLE WHERE IT IS
POSSIBLE TO BRING COMFORT TO MANY IN A SPIRITUAL SENSE.
ET: How is Role chosen?
KNOWLEDGE OF ALL ESSENCE ROLES IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE UNFRAGMENTED ENTITY.
THIS SOMETIMES RESULTS IN A HASTY CHOICE, BUT REGARDLESS OF THIS HASTE IT IS
ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO EXPERIENCE ALL OF LIFE IN EACH OF THESE ROLES. THE
WARRIOR IS A LEADERSHIP ROLE. THE WARRIOR LEADS INSTINCTIVELY. THERE IS AN
INNER DRIVE TO LEAD. THE WARRIOR IS PURPOSEFUL IN VOICE AND ACTION, OFTEN
POWERFUL PHYSICALLY EVEN THOUGH SMALL IN STATURE. THE KING IS THE WARRIOR
EXALTED. THESE SOULS LEAD THROUGH INNER KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WERE MEANT TO
LEAD. THEY, LIKE THE WARRIORS, ARE REGAL IN APPEARANCE REGARDLESS OF SIZE.
THE KING COMMANDS YOUR INTEREST WHEN HE WALKS IN THE ROOM. THE MANIFESTED
KING IS ALWAYS THE DOMINANT PARTNER IN ANY RELATIONSHIP, WHETHER SEXUAL OR
PROFESSIONAL, AS IS THE MANIFESTED WARRIOR. THIS RESULTS IN MANY DIVORCES
AND OTHER BROKEN CONTRACTS IN EARLY MIDDLE AGE FOR BOTH.
RH: Is JS a Lunar Bodytype, a Sage, and what is his soul level?
THIS YOUNG MAN IS INDEED AN UNUSUAL BODYTYPE. HE IS AS YOU SAY, A LUNAR
CONCEIVED DURING A PERIOD OF INTENSE SUNSPOT ACTIVITY. THIS YOUNG MAN IS A
MATURE SAGE.
JS: What benefit or harm is there to stimulating the acupuncture point known
as the "Divine Door"?
[There is] NO HARM. THE BENEFIT DEPENDS ON YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM. IF YOU THINK
OR BELIEVE IN IT, IT WILL PROBABLY BE OF BENEFIT. IF YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS
SUCH THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT STIMULATION OF CERTAIN AREAS OF THE HUMAN BRAIN
SUCH AS THE HYPOTHALAMUS, THE PINEAL GLAND, [or] THE ANTERIOR PITUITARY
PRODUCES A DOORWAY TO ENLIGHTENMENT, AND THIS BELIEF IS STRONG ENOUGH,
SOMETIMES THE RESULT IS JUST SHORT OF MIRACULOUS.
BF: Can a soul take on a dual Role?
NOT IN ESSENCE. HOWEVER, THE LIFE ROLE OFTEN BEARS LITTLE RELATION TO THE
ESSENCE ROLE, AND IF FALSE PERSONALITY IS FIRMLY IN COMMAND IT WILL ALMOST
BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DETECT THE ESSENCE ROLE. ON A PERSONAL LEVEL OTHERS CAN
OFTEN DETECT THE FACADE AND THE UNDERLYING ROLE BEFORE THE STUDENT CAN.
RF had a question regarding H's mother's ear problem and avenues of therapy.
WE HESITATE TO OFFER AVENUES OF TREATMENT FOR THIS LADY OTHER THAN THE MOST
CONVENTIONAL ONES, AS THE LADY WOULD NOT ACCEPT THEM AND THEY WOULD EFFECT
NO CURE.
RF: Would a plastic tube help? Is that because of soul level?
THIS IS OF VALUE IN THOSE CASES WHERE FLUID HAS COLLECTED BEHIND THE
TYMPANIC MEMBRANE, AND WE HAVE KNOWN IT TO ALSO BE EFFECTIVE IN SOME CASES
WHERE DEAFNESS IS OF PSYCHOSOMATIC ORIGIN. THIS LATTER IS NOT,
UNFORTUNATELY, ALWAYS PERMANENT, AS THE REASON FOR THE DEAFNESS IS NOT
ALWAYS REMOVED ALONG WITH INSERTION OF THE TUBE. THIS IS WHY R.H.'S
SUGGESTION (regarding EST and therapy) HAS SO MUCH MERIT.
EC: What was I in previous lives. What is the soul level of myself and my
husband also.
E.C. HAS BEEN LITERALLY A MEMBER OF THE CLERGY EIGHTEEN TIMES. SHE WAS A
HIGH PRIEST AT THE TIME OF CHRIST, ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SANHEDRIN ZADIKAM
("Sanhedrina Zadikam": righteous people). THEN SHE WAS ALSO ONE OF THE LORDS
OF THE INQUISITION. SHE WAS ALSO A BUDDHIST NUN EARLIER IN THE FOURTEENTH
CENTURY. THIS LADY IS A SEVENTH LEVEL MATURE SOUL. THIS MAN IS A YOUNG
WARRIOR WHO HAS BEEN A SOLDIER AND AN ADVENTURER. HE HAS ALSO BEEN A TEACHER
AND MAYOR OF ORLEANS AT THE TIME OF JOAN D'ARC; FOURTH LEVEL.
RH: Is his planetary influence from Mars and Jupiter?
THAT IS VALID.
EC: What is the level and Role of my brother?
THIS WAS A TROUBLED FIFTH LEVEL MATURE PRIEST. (He committed suicide at age
36.)
RH: Where was he troubled, in personality or soul?
THAT IS VALID. THIS IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN ESSENCE AND PERSONALITY. IT IS
WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL FRAGMENT CANNOT COPE WITH THE CONFLICT THAT THE
INTEGRATIVE DEFENSE MECHANISM FALLS APART AND ALLOWS THE EGO TO DISINTEGRATE
BEFORE THERE IS ANY STRENGTH IN ESSENCE [contact], LEAVING THE SOUL GOALLESS
AND ADRIFT.
RF: Is this conflict unresolvable?
IT IS NOT UNRESOLVABLE. WITH CAREFULLY CHOSEN THERAPY OR AN UNDERSTANDING
GURU THE CONFLICT WILL BE RESOLVED. THE DIFFICULTY LIES IN THE CHOICE OF
THERAPIES.
RH: Is this what we call psychosis?
YES, IN A SENSE. PSYCHOSIS CAN ALSO BE DRUG-INDUCED.
RH: Is a certain patient of mine a Lunar type Baby Sage? Is he psychotic?
WE WOULD DEFINE THIS AS NEUROPSYCHOTIC. IN THE BABY SOUL THE CONFLICT RARELY
BECOMES FULL BLOWN.
RH: Is this man a Sage?
YES. WITH HIM THE CONFLICTS ARISE FROM DESIRES OF A PHYSICAL NATURE WHICH HE
PERCEIVES AS "EVIL".
EM: Are these suicidal tendencies repetitive life after life?
NO. SOONER OR LATER THE SOUL LEARNS THAT SUICIDE IS UNPROFITABLE. FOR
INSTANCE, IF A PERSON WITH TERMINAL CANCER SUICIDES AND THERE REMAINED FIVE
OR SIX MONTHS OF LIFE WITH ITS ATTENDANT LESSONS, THEN THAT SOUL WILL
EXPERIENCE INFANT DEATH AT A LATER TIME.
SB: Dr WW has a terminal cancer patient. We [nurses] react negatively to
this patient. Why do we do this?
PEOPLE WHO ARE DYING ARE NO MORE OR LESS OBNOXIOUS THAN AT MOST OF THEIR
CRISIS POINTS IN THEIR LIFE. THIS BABY SOUL PERCEIVES PHYSICAL DEATH AS
PUNISHMENT.
SB: Why can we not overcome our negativity?
YOU PERCEIVE [a] HIGH INDEX OF NEGATIVITY IN THIS PATIENT AND YOU ARE UNABLE
TO SEPARATE. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE TEACHING LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE LEARNED
EFFECTIVE SEPARATION FROM THOROUGHLY OBNOXIOUS FALSE PERSONALITIES.
ET: Is Michael the entity that WW contacted?
THE ENTITY THEY HAVE RAISED IS A MID CAUSAL TEACHER. THERE WILL BE NO
DIFFERENCE IN THE INFORMATION.
BF: How can I learn to be less affected by negativity of those close to me?
YOU MUST FIRST BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO ALTER THEIR
REACTION, AND THAT THEIR REACTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING IN YOUR
OWN FRAME OF REFERENCE. THEIR PERCEPTION OF A SITUATION AND ITS
RAMIFICATIONS IS SOMETHING THAT ONLY THEY CAN DEAL WITH, AND THERE IS REALLY
NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO. KEEP REPEATING THAT TO YOURSELF EACH TIME IT COMES
UP. FOR INSTANCE: IF E.C. PERCEIVES A SITUATION INVOLVING HER AND HER
RELATIONSHIP WITH HER SON IN A NEGATIVE FASHION, WHAT CAN YOU DO?
EM: May we have the definition of Scholar?
WE HAVE GIVEN THIS BUT WE WILL REPEAT. THIS IS AN INTERMEDIATE ROLE WHERE
REASON AND LOGIC ARE THE FOUNDATIONS UPON WHICH LIFE IS BUILT. WE DID NOT
SAY THAT SCHOLARS WERE EMOTIONALLY BEREFT, JUST A LITTLE MORE DISCREET ABOUT
DISPLAYING. E.M. AND E.S. WERE BOTH BORN INTO EMOTIONAL CULTURAL
ENVIRONMENTS AND BOTH DISPLAY MORE EMOTIONALITY THAN THE AVERAGE SCHOLAR,
BUT STILL DO NOT APPROACH THE SHEER EMOTIONAL EXTRAVAGANCE OF OTHER ROLES
SUCH AS PRIESTS AND SAGES.
RH: Is ES a warlike Scholar?
E.S. MIGHT BE TAKEN FOR A WARRIOR BECAUSE OF HIS BODYTYPE AND HIS VOICE
PROJECTION. HE IS A BIT EMPHATIC.
CH: I would like to know about my past life with my grandmother?
YOU WERE FIRST BORN TO M.A.H. THIS WAS A RELATIVELY TRANQUIL LIFE BECAUSE
YOU WERE ENTRUSTED INTO THE CARE OF HOUSEHOLD SLAVES AT BIRTH. IT WAS A
LARGE HOUSEHOLD AND YOU PERCEIVED THE "NOT ME" IN A VERY POSITIVE FASHION.
M.A.H. AT THAT TIME WAS THE [words lost].
RH: Have I had an interesting life as a female?
YES, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW; ONE AS A NUN WHERE YOU TRAVELED WITH A CARAVAN
ACROSS THE RUBALKHALI TO THE HOLY LAND TO ESTABLISH A CHURCH IN THE HOLY
LAND. ANOTHER TIME YOU WERE ALSO THE FAVORITE WIFE OF A MAN WHO MADE GREAT
LITERARY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE ANCIENT WORLD, MOST OF THEM ACTUALLY COMING
FROM YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN A NUN MANY TIMES, BUT ONLY ONCE IN A PENITENT ORDER.
THE OTHER TIMES YOU WERE VERY MUCH IN THE WORLD, BUILDING AND TEACHING.
ET: Where is Rubalkhali?
YES. IT IS PART OF THE SAHARA DESERT. IT MEANS "EMPTY QUARTER".
BF: May I know the name of the pirate I was in a previous life and what time
(century)? Did he bury treasure?
THE NAME OF THE PIRATE WAS ETIENNE DELACROIX. THE TIME WAS EARLY IN THE
EIGHTEENTH CENTURY. YES, HE DID BURY SOME LOOT OFF THE COAST OF PORTUGAL IN
HASTE BUT CAME BACK LATER, PICKED IT UP AND THEN WAS SUNK BY THE SPANISH
SHIPS. THIS TREASURE NOW LIES BENEATH FIFTY FATHOMS.
S: I would like to know the relationships between the caste system of India
and roles?
THERE WAS [a relationship] IN THE BEGINNING WHEN SRI KRISHNA BROUGHT THE
LOGOS TO BEAR. THIS HAS SINCE BECOME BLURRED BY AMBITION AND MATERIAL
DESIRES.
RH: They suppose that Slaves are born to Slaves. What we have here is,
everyone has parents in a different Role. (Questions are confusing because
the tape had ended.)
THIS IS WHERE THE MISINTERPRETATION ARISES. LOOK AT THE HEREDITARY
MONARCHIES. ONLY TWO MONARCHS IN RECENT TIMES HAVE BEEN KINGS: ELIZABETH THE
FIRST AND JAMES THE FIRST.
ES: What are the relative quantities of Old souls. It seems there should be
more. [From what Michael has said,] there seems to be a minute number in
relation to the total population.
IT NOW HAPPENS THAT ON THIS PLANET THE VAST MAJORITY OF SOULS ARE YOUNG AND
MATURE SOULS, WELL OVER ONE AND ONE HALF BILLION. THE BABY SOUL AND INFANT
SOULS TOGETHER EQUAL THE NUMBER OF OLD SOULS NOW. THIS HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN,
BUT LIFE ON THIS PLANET IS EVOLVING TO THE POINT WHERE THERE WILL BE NO MORE
INFANT SOUL ENTITIES CAST INTO THIS FRAME. AT THIS POINT THE MAJORITY WILL
BE EITHER MATURE OR OLD SOULS, AS IT IS NOW ON SOLEIL'S WORLD. THERE IS OF
COURSE AN END POINT TO ALL WORLDS WHEN THE STAR EXHAUSTS ITSELF. THE
EVOLUTION OF LIFE WITHIN A GIVEN SOLAR SYSTEM IS ALWAYS GEARED TO NOT EXCEED
THE LIFE OF THE STAR. IN OTHER WORDS, ALL LIFE ON THIS PLANET WILL HAVE
EVOLVED AND COMPLETED LONG BEFORE THIS STAR EXPANDS TO BECOME A RED GIANT
AND EVENTUALLY SHRINKS INTO A REMNANT DWARF.
D: Is what is known in the medical profession as the "subconscious" the
essence or the soul?
NO. MOST PSYCHIATRISTS WHERE THEY SPEAK OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS THEY MERELY
SPEAK OF ALL OF THOSE EXPERIENCES WHICH THE BRAIN RECORDS BUT YOU CANNOT
IMMEDIATELY RECALL. THE RECALL OF THIS MATERIAL IS OFTEN BLOCKED BY VERY
EFFECTIVE BARRIERS. SOME FEW PSYCHIATRISTS SUCH AS [Carl] JUNG BEGAN TO SEE
MORE, BUT FEW HAVE KNOWN OF THE MYRIAD DATA ACTUALLY AT YOUR COMMAND, MUCH
LESS THE SOURCE.










 

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