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 May 1, 1974



Present: SM, ET, CC, JH and JH, RC and SC, CH, CS.

What is the SRGA of RR?

THIS LADY IS NOT A SCHOLAR. SHE IS A FIFTH LEVEL YOUNG WARRIOR IN THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF EMOTIONAL CENTER, IN GROWTH, A SPIRITUALIST IN THE CAUTION MODE. HER CHIEF FEATURE IS, AS WE SEE IT, HER STUBBORNNESS.

What is the SRGA of PO?

THIS GENTLEMAN IS A FIFTH LEVEL ALSO, A YOUNG PRIEST IN ACCEPTANCE, AND ALSO IN THE CAUTION MODE. THERE IS NOT MUCH OF THE CHIEF FEATURE LEFT IN THIS MAN, BUT VESTIGES OF VANITY ARE STILL APPARENT. HE IS TRAPPED IN THE EMOTIONAL PART OF MOVING CENTER, AS IS THE LADY WITH WHOM HE LIVES.

What is the SRGA of DO?

THIS VERY TACITURN SATURNINE SCHOLAR WILL NOT BE MOVED — HE IS IN STAGNATION, A SPIRITUALIST IN THE OBSERVATION MODE, IN THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF MOVING CENTER, A SIXTH LEVEL MATURE SOUL.

ET asked for the SRGA on PT, his sister-in-law. He guessed her as a late Young Warrior, in Growth, a Realist, Emotional part of Moving Center, Arrogance, and Passion.

YES, THIS LADY IS A SIXTH LEVEL YOUNG WARRIOR, VANITY AS A SUB FEATURE OF ARROGANCE. ALL ELSE IS VALID.

JH: What is the SRGA of AK, who works with me: Mature Scholar in Dominance, Attitude of Realist, Moving Centered?

THIS MAN IS A THIRD LEVEL MATURE ARTISAN; YES, IN DOMINANCE, A REALIST IN THE CAUTION MODE, TRAPPED IN THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF MOVING CENTER.

CS asked about a dream about her children and ex-husband’s wife. She requested verification of interpretation.

OF COURSE AT A DEEPER LEVEL YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT AN EMOTIONAL TURMOIL THIS WILL CAUSE FOR ONE WHO HAS ATTACHED HERSELF TO THESE CHILDREN, BUT MORE THAN THIS SHE HAS BEGUN TO REGARD THEM AS HER OWN. YES, WE WOULD AGREE THAT THE DREAM WAS AN ACTING OUT OF DEEPLY BURIED GUILT.

SM: I have recurring dreams during childhood and also during the present — a claustrophobic feeling, in a tunnel, etc.

DREAMS OF BEING IN ENCLOSED SPACES ARE NORMALLY INDICATIVE OF A DESIRE TO EXPAND A PART OF LIFE OR CHANGE A DIFFICULT PART OF LIFE, USUALLY A PART OF LIFE WHICH MAKES ONE FEEL TRAPPED IN THE WAKING STATE. THE DESIRE TO GROW OFTEN PRODUCES THIS TYPE OF DREAM, ESPECIALLY FOR ONE WHO HAS ONLY ALLOWED FOR FAIRLY NARROW HORIZONS.

CS recounted a recurring dream about climbing stairs and a fear of climbing back down.

YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GREAT HEIGHTS, SAME AS S.C.

CC raised a question about the negative half of Centers, because of much confusion in her mind about how people get into the negative half, what the negative half is, etc.

FOR INSTANCE, THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF EMOTIONAL CENTER HAS PRODUCED SOME SENSITIVE MOVING CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS WORLD, SUCH AS THOSE OF THE POET STEPHEN VINCENT BENET, AND THE MAN ROBERT FROST. IT HAS ALSO PRODUCED THE GERMANS [Hermann] GOERING [one of Hitler’s generals] AND [Otto Von] BISMARK.

What puts one in the negative or positive half [of a Center]?

USUALLY THE EXALTED MODES. THE MAN GEORGE WALLACE IS ANOTHER — A BABY PRIEST IN THE PASSION MODE. THE SOUL LEVEL PREDICTS THAT HE WILL BE ON THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS SIDE, COUPLED WITH THE PASSION MODE AND THE EMOTIONAL CENTERING, ONE GETS A FIRE BRAND. THE MAN [Hermann] GOERING WAS IN THE AGGRESSION MODE, A SECOND LEVEL MATURE PRIEST WITH A CHIEF FEATURE OF GREED.

Do we get stuck in the negative or positive half, or does it fluctuate?

MOST ARE STUCK. THIS IS NOT A GROWTH-PRODUCING SEQUENCE. AGAIN, FOR INSTANCE, SOULS TRAPPED IN THE MOVING PART OF INTELLECTUAL CENTER CAN BE RATHER COLD AND RUTHLESS, GIVEN NEUTRAL OVERLEAVES.

Is this chosen ahead of time?

MUCH OF THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY CULTURALLY INDUCED. SCHOLARS IN STAGNATION CAN BE INDUCED TO RESPOND TO POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT.

Does a soul before birth choose the culture in which it will be raised?

NOT SO. THE CHILD IS BORN WITH PREDOMINANT CENTERING AND THE CHANCE TO GO EITHER WAY. WITH NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT THE CHILD WILL USUALLY BECOME STUCK IN THE NEGATIVE POLE OF THE CENTER BY LATE ADOLESCENCE.

If there is no negative reinforcement do you get stuck in the positive half of the Centering?

THESE SAME OVERLEAVES BECOME POSITIVE.

Which is best, negative or positive?

THE POSITIVE HALF IS A WHOLE LOT LESS VIOLENT.

This puts an awful load on parents, doesn’t it?

NOT SO. YOU DO NOT CHOOSE [before incarnation] YOUR NEIGHBOR AND TEACHERS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL, NOR DO YOU CHOOSE THE EDITOR OF THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER OR THOSE WHO SCHEDULE THE VIDEO.

Do Overleaves affect negative and positive Centering? Is it what goes out rather than what goes in?

SOME SOULS ARE INCAPABLE OF VIOLENCE ON THE BASIS OF THE SOUL LEVELS AND OTHER OVERLEAVES, BUT THOSE WHO ARE CAPABLE [of violence] GENERALLY WILL [do violence] IF GIVEN NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT. OLD SAGES, SLAVES AND ARTISANS ARE GENERALLY INCAPABLE OF VIOLENCE.

CC: No one in the group could be in the negative.

THE LADY C.C. IS CORRECT. SOULS IN THE NEGATIVE PART OF CENTERS ARE UNSTABLE.

We asked about T and M being in the negative pole.

WE AGREE WITH THAT.

RC: We seem to be getting voluntary information on violence. Is there a statement about this?

ONLY THAT VIOLENCE IS CULTURALLY INDUCED, YES. IT IS WHOLLY A PART OF FALSE PERSONALITY. THE ESSENCE IS PACIFIC. VIOLENCE IS TRULY THE DARK SIDE OF THE SOUL. NO ONE COMES ONTO THE PHYSICAL PLANE VIOLENTLY. HOW VIOLENTLY ONE COMPLETES THE MONAD IS A CHOICE MADE AT THE MOMENT OF TRUTH.

RE: Are violent deaths karmic?

VIOLENT DEATH, WHEN IT OCCURS AS A SINGLE ISOLATED INCIDENT, IS KARMIC, YES.

What about plane crashes, in which many are killed?

[It is karmic] FOR SOME ON THE PLANE, YES.

Can it be an accident?

UNFORTUNATELY, IN LARGE VIOLENCES, THOSE WITH KARMIC RIBBONS DO TAKE OTHERS WITH THEM. IN MANY INSTANCES WHERE THE KILLING APPEARS AT RANDOM THE RIBBON GOES BACK MANY CENTURIES TO A TIME WHEN THE PRESENT VICTIM WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MASS KILLINGS. ONE OF THE RECENT VICTIMS IN SAN FRANCISCO WAS A SLAVE TRADER IN THE EARLY NINETEENTH CENTURY.

Is that Fong?

NO.

Was it the boy who was moving the carpet around in the car?

THAT IS VALID.

CC: I had a flash about how simple it is relating holy communion with the teaching, into life.

SO ALSO IS THE “RESURRECTION”. THIS IS PERHAPS THE MOST ANCIENT OF ALL SYMBOLS. IT WAS REPRESENTED IN THE LEGEND OF THE PHOENIX.

Signifying what?

REBIRTH.

Do you mean physical rebirth?

YES: CONTINUITY OF THE LIFE CYCLE. THE BODY [of Jesus] DIED UP ON THE CROSS.

Did he return physically, or was it a legend?

THE INFINITE SOUL HAD ACCOMPLISHED WHAT IT CAME FOR WHEN THE BODY DIED. THERE WAS ONE FEMALE STUDENT AND ONE MALE STUDENT CAPABLE AT THE TIME OF RECEIVING EMANATIONS FROM THE HIGH PLANES, AND THEY REMAINED IN CONTACT WITH THE NOW DEPARTED INFINITE SOUL FOR ALL OF THAT LIFE, BUT THERE WAS NO MANIFESTATION FOLLOWING THE PHYSICAL DEATH.

Why isn’t the Gospel of Thomas in the Bible?

IT CONTRADICTS THE CHURCH. S.C. BURIED ONE COPY OF THAT BOOK IN THE TWELFTH CENTURY. SOME STAYED BURIED.

Why didn’t Richard (the Lionhearted) make his wife Queen?

VANITY.

Whose, his?

YES.

What would that have done?

IT WOULD HAVE PLACED HER ON EQUAL FOOTING IN THE EYES OF THEIR COUNTRYMEN.

CC: A friend flushed a diamond ring down the toilet, and her janitor found it and brought it back to her. Was that a miracle? Are there miracles?

[Yes, there are miracles, but] THAT WAS NOT ONE OF THEM, THOUGH. THE ONLY OCCURRENCES OF THIS NATURE ARE WITH THE AID OF THE HIGH PLANES. YES, [Uri] GELLER IS ONE WHO CAN [perform miracles].

What is depression? Is it unfulfilled expectations?

Someone asked for a comment on having smaller groups — a meditation group.

WE FIND NO FAULT WITH SOULS GATHERING FOR MEDITATION. THIS WOULD ONLY BE A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE IF THOSE GATHERED KNEW THEIR PURPOSE IN BEING THERE, AND WISH TO GROW. YOU CANNOT RAM GROWTH DOWN ANYONE. YOU HAVE SOME FERVOR THAT CAN BE TAMED TO ADVANTAGE. WE [do not] MEAN THAT YOU MUST CEASE TO PROPAGATE THE LOGOS — FAR FROM IT. JUST WORK ON YOUR POSSIBLE LETDOWN IF ONE DOES NOT ACCEPT THE TEACHING. ALL ZEAL IS COUNTERBALANCED BY DEPRESSION.



 

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