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 March 10, 1974



Present: RH and AH, SC and RC, ST and ET.

This meeting followed the weekend session with the out-of-the-body workshop given by Robert Monroe.

RH: Robert Monroe described meeting a mysterious group of entities on the astral plane. They apparently function on the physical plane, according to Monroe.

WE ARE HERE WITH YOU. FIRST, A COMMENT ON THE EXPERIENCES YOU JUST HAD. THIS SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU MUCH ABOUT WHERE THE WORK IS, AND WHERE THE MOST ENORMOUS NEEDS LIE. WE WOULD SEE THIS PERPETUATED. THE MAN, ROBERT, IS CORRECT, THOUGH. THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE THERE.

Some of us slept through the entire experience.

YOU HEARD AND PERCEIVED EVEN THOUGH YOU INTERPRETED THIS AS SLEEP.

What about the mysterious entities which he describes in his book?

WE SEE NOTHING UNUSUAL HERE IN THIS. MATURE PRIESTS NIGHTLY ENCOUNTER WITH THE ESSENCES OF FINAL LEVEL OLD SOULS.

Are the Old souls aware of this consciously?

SOME ARE. THEY COME BY IT ACCIDENTALLY. IF THE OLD SOUL PURSUES ANYTHING, HE NORMALLY HAS SOME SUCCESSES. HIS ESSENCE IS RESTLESS AND CURIOUS. HE IS LIKE HAVING A FIVE YEAR OLD AT A SEMINAR.

Are some of them part of The Brotherhood?

SOME OF THEM ARE BROTHERS, NOT ALL.

Robert Monroe is setting up a communication system to enable those who wish to find him while astral traveling. Could we also set up a special frequency for something like this?

YES, THIS IS A POSSIBILITY — MORE A PROBABILITY. SOME OF THEM (Old souls) ARE, OF COURSE, LINKED TOGETHER ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE. ALSO, MOST OF THEM ARE EXPERIENCED AS ASTRAL TRAVELERS WHO DO THIS AT WILL FOR REASONS OF GROWTH AND REINTEGRATION.

RH asked questions about overcoming resistance to the experience of astral travel.

THE BODY RESISTS THIS IN ALL OF YOU. WITH YOU, IT IS STRONGER NOW, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE BODY IS ALSO EXHAUSTED. IT WAS GETTING ITS NEEDS FULFILLED AND DID NOT WANT THE FEAR YOU WERE GIVING IT.

RH: I was not aware of fear.

ONLY THE BODY FEARS [astral travel]. THE ESSENCE DOES NOT FEAR IT. YES, S.C. IS TIRED. (SC slept most of the time while the Monroe tapes were playing.)

RH: Robert Monroe stated that he felt as if he were a doorway or a pumping station for those desiring the astral experience.

HE IS A DOOR. YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME INFORMATION THAT FITS SOME OF THE PUZZLE TOGETHER FOR HIM. MANY THINGS HE SEES, HE IS UNABLE TO INTERPRET, AND MANY MORE ARE OF HIS OWN CREATION. HIS NERVOUS REMARKS ABOUT HEAVEN AND HELL SHOULD HAVE TIPPED YOU OFF ON THIS.

Is he afraid of heaven and hell?

HE IS NOT, BUT HE IS ALSO NOT CERTAIN WHAT LIES BEHIND THE CURTAIN HE HAS PLACED BETWEEN HIMSELF AND THE HIGH PLANES. WHAT THE MAN ROBERT REFERS TO AS “FOCUS TEN” IS TWILIGHT SLEEP; “FOCUS TWELVE” IS ORDINARY SLEEP; “FOURTEEN” AND BEYOND ARE ASTRAL SLEEP STATES AND DREAM STATES.

Does this technique make it possible to remember?

YOU DO ANYWAY, BUT YOUR BUFFERS KNOCK OUT THE RECALL.

How does one eliminate buffers?

IF YOU ENCOUNTER A SITUATION THAT WOULD PRODUCE GUILT IN THE BODY, THE BODY WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO REMEMBER, OR, AT LEAST, NOT WITH ANY PLEASURE. GUILT IS IN PERSONALITY, YES.

A statement was made concerning the EST process where a box is constructed mentally and problems are placed in it. (Robert Monroe used a similar technique in his tapes this weekend.)

WE WOULD SEE YOU ALL PUT YOUR PROBLEMS IN THE BOX AND LEAVE THEM THERE. WE WOULD TELL YOU ALSO THAT YOU CAN CLEVERLY CONSTRUCT A TRAP DOOR IN THE BOTTOM OF THE BOX AND CAN ELIMINATE THEM ALTOGETHER.

RH: I was the only Realist present. It did not help.

THAT IS VALID. THERE IS NO PARTICULAR ADVANTAGE TO THE ENDLESS ANALYSIS, BUT THEN YOU KNOW THAT NOW.

Please give the SRGA of LS.

HE IS ONE OF THE SKEPTICS. THIS MID CYCLE MATURE SAGE IS ALSO IN SUBMISSION, MOSTLY NOW TO THE LADY, F.

RH: She must be Mature and Dominant.

YES: SECOND LEVEL MATURE ARTISAN IN DOMINANCE, IDEALIST. SHE IS NOT TERRIBLY PERCEPTIVE; SOMEWHAT SCATTERBRAINED; STUBBORNNESS AS CHIEF FEATURE.

ST: How do you choose another Goal?

YOU ARE AT WILL TO CHOOSE ANOTHER WHICH WILL ALLOW YOU TO OPERATE IN LIFE, IF THIS IS YOUR DESIRE. YOU CANNOT OPERATE IN LIFE SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT ONE — IT IDENTIFIES YOU AS “A REAL PERSON”. WITHOUT CHIEF FEATURE, YOU ARE WHAT THE MAN R.B. REFERS TO AS “LOW PROFILE PEOPLE”, AND TO OTHERS IN LIFE, YOU LACK FORM AND SUBSTANCE.

SC: Was LS afraid of me?

YOUR DOMINANCE SCARED HIM TO DEATH.

AH: Why did RB and LS clash?

EXTREMELY ADVERSE KARMA THERE. R.B. OWES HIM MONEY. L.S. OWES MORE THAN HE HAS GIVEN.

RH: Why does LS look guilty?

HE IS. HE WILL PROBABLY SEEK YOU. HE IS INTRIGUED. HE WAS A STUDENT WITH R.B. BEFORE. HE STOLE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY.

AH: As I understand it, a “number one experience” has to be associated with pain, not money.

HE WAS EXECUTED.

RH: Did LS hurt RB first?

YES, HE DID. HE BEAT HIM SENSELESS IN FLIGHT.

RH: Is RB aware of this past life?

HE IS AWARE OF THE LIFE.

RH: Could RB acknowledge and let go?

THAT IS VALID.

RC: Then would LS have to acknowledge on the astral plane?

YES.

Robert Monroe talked about his Uncle Charlie who visited the weekend session astrally, according to Robert Monroe, and verified by a lady in the workshop group.

HE IS ONE OF THE BLITHE SPIRITS. HE WILL BE AROUND FOR A HUNDRED SOME MORE YEARS NOW AND WILL HAVE A PLEASANT INTERVAL.

Why do we have to be so serious?

THE LEVITY IS DIFFICULT FOR YOU ALL, AS YOU WERE IMPRINTED WITH THE WORK ETHIC EARLY IN LIFE — R.H. AND R.C. AND S.C. AND S.T. MORE SO.

ST: Did I rid myself of my Chief Feature?

WE THINK YOU WILL LET IT GO, YES.

What is the SRGA for PM?

NOT A REALIST — A STOIC, IN GROWTH, MARTYR, MID CYCLE MATURE ARTISAN, SELF-DESTRUCTION. SELF-DESTRUCTION IS NORMALLY MANIFESTED IN A MORE SUBTLE MANNER THAN OVERT SUICIDE. (She smokes and coughs and smokes and coughs.)

RH: Is suicide common in Martyrs?

YES.

RH: Would it help to tell her this?

SHE WOULD HEAR, YES, BUT WOULD SCOFF.

AH: Is this like throwing pearls to swine?

NO. PERSONALITY WOULD HAVE THE NEED TO SCOFF.

RH: What about the hostility which PW pointed out which she saw in me.

YOUR HOSTILITY IS NORMALLY SEEN IN SOULS WHO DO NOT RELATE WELL TO THE CHOSEN GENDER. IT USUALLY IS CALLED JEALOUSY. THE ARTISAN IS MORE AT HOME IN THE FEMALE BODY AND RELATES POORLY TO [being] THE MALE GENDER. THIS SOMETIMES MAKES RELATIONSHIPS WITH WOMEN DIFFICULT.

RH: Is it a general principle that female Artisans do not relate well with males?

NO. FEMALE ARTISANS ARE FAR MORE EQUIPPED TO RELATE TO MALES THAN MALE ARTISANS ARE ABLE TO RELATE TO FEMALES. THE SAME IS TRUE OF KINGS AND SCHOLARS WHO CHOOSE FEMALE BODIES — THEY HATE IT. [Elsewhere the same was said of Warriors.]

RH: Why would a male Artisan choose this?

YOU MUST EXPERIENCE LIFE FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT.

RH: Is there anything a person can do to get around this?

REALIZE THAT THE STEREOTYPING IS CULTURALLY INDUCED, AND THAT GENDER IS PECULIAR TO THE PHYSICAL PLANE, AND PUT YOURSELF IN AN ESSENCE STATE.

RH: There is a softness in ET which seems unusual for Saturns.

WHICH ALSO PERTAINS TO THE FINAL OVERLEAF, WHICH WE DO NOT INTEND TO GIVE TODAY. HE IS IN A PASSIVE ”MODE”.

ST: Were RH and RC also ET’s mother in past lives?

THAT [motherhood] IS NOT NECESSARY [to explain their dominance over him], ONLY THAT THEY BE FEMALE DOMINANT WITH HIM [in a non-mothering role].

RH: If traumas carry forward from one life to another, then this is an important concept.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU.

RH: Is gender present on the astral plane?

IT IS NONEXISTENT IN ESSENCE.

RH: Robert Monroe talks about sex on the astral plane. Could you comment?

THIS ONLY PERTAINS TO ASTRAL TRAVELERS STILL IN THE BODY.

RH: Is there anything resembling sex on the causal plane?

THERE IS, BUT IT IS GENDERLESS. THE ESSENCE IS THOROUGHLY CAPABLE OF EXPERIENCING THE ECSTASY, AND FREQUENTLY DOES [— without an opposite sex]. THE PERSONALITY CANNOT [experience ecstasy] BECAUSE OF THE PAIN-PLEASURE MONAD. IT IS AUTOMATIC. IN YOUR CULTURE, IT IS IMPRINTED EARLY IN LIFE THAT IF YOU ARE TO EXPERIENCE PLEASURE, YOU ALSO MUST HAVE PAIN. THE ENTIRE ENTITY EXPERIENCES [ecstasy]. THERE ARE NO MORE [gendered] FRAGMENTS — WE ARE WHOLE [and have no sexual polarity].

AH: Is there any way out of the pleasure-pain Monad?

YOUR GUILT BUILDUP PRODUCES THE PAIN. WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO EXTINGUISH THE GUILT, YOU WILL LOSE THE PAIN AT THE SAME TIME — ONLY THEN.



 

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