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 July 10, 1974



_____ brought up a list of possibilities for the group which a smaller group had discussed earlier in the week — he had made a list up from suggestions made by Michael. Does Michael have any comment?

WE HAVE NO SPECIFIC COMMENTS, BUT NOTE THAT THERE IS LESS ENTHUSIASM THAN USUAL. PERHAPS THIS BEARS DISCUSSION OR REFLECTION.

I feel that being programmed makes me uncomfortable. Spontaneous events are more enjoyable. We’ve waited a year and a half for spontaneity, and there has been no activity.

THE INSIGHT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS ARE APOLLONIAN-ORIENTED IS A VALID ONE. THERE IS GREAT DIFFICULTY IN PLANNING AHEAD FOR DIVERSION, BUT NOT FOR WORK. DOES THIS SUGGEST AREAS THAT NEED DEVELOPMENT?

_____ was offered a full time job, but is resisting it. Michael said earlier that Warriors were good at administration; closer to accepting a job as a waitress [sic].

WE DID NOT SAY THAT ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS WERE THE ONLY COURSE OF ACTION OPEN TO WARRIORS. MOST OLD AND MATURE WARRIORS HAVE HAD THEIR FILL OF THAT TYPE OF HUSTLE AND BUSTLE. WE WOULD SAY, GIVE IT A TRY IN THE RESTAURANT. THOSE JOBS ARE EASIER TO LEAVE IF THEY PROVE NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE.

Pertaining to property at Lake Norena: five acres and a house. Should the group buy this for a school?

FOR THE PRESENT TIME THIS WOULD BE ADEQUATE. IT ALSO OFFERS THE ROOM FOR EXPANSION. LATER YOU WILL NEED TO PLAN FOR CONTINUITY. THROWING YOUNGSTERS INTO A RIGID SECONDARY ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE THE ANTITHESIS OF THE GROWTH ACHIEVED AT THE PRIMARY LEVEL.

About another property — where is the man who owns this?

THE INDIVIDUAL NOW IN POSSESSION OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN EUROPE, YES. HE DOES NOT WISH TO SELL, BUT COULD BE PERSUADED TO CHANGE HIS MIND IF THE PRICE WERE RIGHT, BUT HE IS A BIT ECCENTRIC, AND WE ALSO FEEL THAT THIS EXPENDITURE IS PREMATURE.

_____ asked about some property and some school: would they be suitable for the houses, and for _____ to teach?

NOT FOR THE MAN _____. HE NEEDS MORE THAN THAT. CHILD-ORIENTED ATMOSPHERES ARE NOT FOR ALL SOULS. THIS SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARD THOSE WHO ARE IN ESSENCE. WHEN REARING CHILDREN, DORMITORY-TYPE LIVING QUARTERS FOR CHILDREN OFTEN PRODUCE STARTLING INDEPENDENCE AND GROWTH IN BOTH THE PARENTS AND THE CHILDREN, BUT ONE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO SPEND TIME THERE UNLESS IT IS IN ESSENCE.

What are the Overleaves of _____? How is she tied in with planning the Oregon town? Did ______ marry her out of false personality, or to help with his goals with the town?

THE ATTRACTION IS NOT AN UNUSUAL ONE BETWEEN A KING AND A WARRIOR, MOSTLY BASED UPON THE USUAL SOCIETAL NORMS. YES, [she married him] OUT OF [false] PERSONALITY. SHE HAS IN FACT BECOME DISENCHANTED WITH HER END OF THE BARGAIN. THIS IS NOT THE MOST FULFILLING ENVIRONMENT FOR A YOUNG WARRIOR, BUT IS IDEAL FOR AN OLD KING. THE CHILD NOW BORN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LINK, BUT HIS SEQUENCES ARE WITH HIS FATHER. SHE MAY EVENTUALLY FIND THE NEED TO CHANGE AND THEN SHE SHOULD, OF COURSE, FOLLOW HER INTUITIONS, AND NOT THE ADVICE OF OTHERS.

Does S have ties with MM?

NO.

My son has been said to have a tie with some friend’s son. Does that mean we will move there?

IT MERELY MEANS THAT THEY WILL SEEK FOR EACH OTHER AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE. ONE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT YOU WILL MOVE THERE.

AS feels she was courtesan at the time of Rameses II in Egypt, and asks for verification.

IN THE TIME OF RAMESES THE SECOND, THE ONLY COURTESANS WERE THE ROYAL CONCUBINES. SHE WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. SHE WAS A PHYSICIAN.

What is the SRG of _____?

THIS MAN WAS A THIRD LEVEL MATURE SCHOLAR IN GROWTH, AND AN IDEALIST, YES, A RATHER SOARING ONE IN THE POWER MODE, IN THE EMOTIONAL PART OF INTELLECTUAL CENTER, MOSTLY SATURNINE, SOME JOVIAL. THIS MAN’S CHIEF FEATURE WAS IMPATIENCE.

Was his aura blue green?

NO, [it was] MOSTLY REDDISH BLUE, ON THE BLUE SIDE OF THE RED.

Can one see Centering in a person’s eyes?

PERHAPS WITH MUCH PRACTICE, BUT MORE IN THE ACTION OF THE BODY.

I had a heavy Scholar for a mother. She was in the Intellectual part of the Emotional Center. Therefore I felt I was a failure. This week I realized intellect does not make one a Scholar. I am realizing now something about how intellect works in me.

THE “INTELLIGENCE” THAT MOST FRAGMENTS EXHIBIT IN THIS CULTURE IS A MATTER OF EXPOSURE AND EDUCATION, COUPLED WITH AN INNATE ABILITY TO RETAIN FACTS, SINCE THIS IS WHAT THIS CULTURE REQUIRES ABOVE ALL. HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT INTELLIGENCE ON A COSMIC LEVEL — THIS IS DATA GATHERING. AS TO THE DIFFERENT ROLES AND OTHER OVERLEAVES, THE POSSIBILITIES ARE MANY. FOR INSTANCE, THE INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED SAGE IS USUALLY EXTREMELY ERUDITE. FOR INSTANCE, DAG HAMMERSKYOLD [sic] AND ABBA EBAN ARE EXAMPLES OF THIS. THE “GOLDEN-VOICED ORATOR”, EMOTIONALLY CENTERED SAGES, OFTEN EXPRESS THEIR INTELLIGENCE ON THE STAGE. INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED WARRIORS MAKE FINE TACTICIANS, PLANNERS, [and] ADMINISTRATORS. INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED SCHOLARS SPEND THEIR LIVES GATHERING DATA WITH USUALLY NO MORE OF A GOAL THAN TO ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE. MOST MOVING CENTERED SOULS MANIFEST THEIR INTELLIGENCE IN PRACTICAL “DOING” WAYS. IF THE SCHOLARS GATHER FACTS, IT IS TOWARD A PURPOSE, SUCH AS WRITING A BOOK, PROVING A HYPOTHESIS, ETC.

I am interested in my balance — Emotional part of Moving Center — so I need to find Intellectual Center. I have some idea what it is but am not sure what Intellectual Center is.

INTELLECTUAL CENTER, WHEN WORKING WITHOUT INTERFERENCE OR ENERGY LEAKS, HAS THE CAPACITY TO RECORD AND PROCESS DATA IN A DETACHED AND NON-JUDGMENTAL FASHION. FROM THE MOVING CENTER, THIS LOOKS LIKE LEARNING WITHOUT NECESSARILY DOING; IN OTHER WORDS, LEARNING FOR THE PLEASURE OF LEARNING, WITHOUT THE PROVISO OF APPLICATION ATTACHED. EMOTIONALLY CENTERED SOULS, OR THOSE WORKING THROUGH EMOTIONAL CENTER, OPERATE ON INTUITION, AND FEEL, RATHER THAN THINK, THROUGH A PROBLEM. MOVING CENTERED SOULS, OR THOSE WORKING THROUGH MOVING CENTER, ARE CONCERNED WITH THE ACTION, AND READ WITH THIS IN MIND, WITH ALWAYS AN EYE TOWARD LATER APPLICATION.

_____ has been eliminating the word “love”, as machines are not capable of love. Maybe you externally consider others. Could you comment on love and external considering? [“External considering” is a Gurdjief term for intentionally seeing yourself in the place of the other person, and seeing things from their point of view. This is contrasted to “internal considering”, which is of course just seeing things from your own point of view.]

THEY ARE SYNONYMOUS. WE SEE NO DIFFERENCE. THE “MACHINE” CAN DO NEITHER, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU STUDENTS TO DO BOTH WITH WORK. A WORD ABOUT BALANCE FOR THE NEW STUDENTS: THIS MEANS SIMULTANEOUSLY UTILIZING THE MOVING PART OF MOVING CENTER, THE EMOTIONAL PART OF EMOTIONAL CENTER, AND THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF INTELLECTUAL CENTER, AND IN A SPLIT SECOND DIFFERENTIATING WHICH APPLIES IN A GIVEN SITUATION, WITH NO CONSEQUENT ENERGY LEAK.

_____ had a question on use of sound as work, and the man H.

WE HAVE SUGGESTED THE USE OF HARMONIES MANY TIMES. THIS IS A SOUND APPROACH. EXCUSE THE PUN.

I would like to ask about my mother’s lawyer: are there karmic ties? Is that the reason she is having such a difficult time with him? Why is he holding back?

NO KARMIC TIES, JUST A DIFFICULT BABY SCHOLAR WHO IS OBSTINATE AND GREEDY.

NOTE: _____ suggested (and I agree) that initials should be used in these transcripts instead of full names when questions are asked about people not in this teaching, the point being that touchy baby souls might get ahold of the material and sue. If anyone else has suggestions, discussion is more than welcome.



 

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